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What's the difference? - A big difference!

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What's the difference? - A big difference!


The second article of the cycle "Big War, Real Confrontation?"

Recently, there are more and more questions to stories USSR, history of Russia. A lot of controversial points bulging out exacerbating the relative lack of understanding of what is happening and what is happening in society. One of the most interesting questions for demagogues from history, a question that allows us to develop a serious delusion in people's understanding, supposedly intended to prevent the idealization of the history of the USSR, is "what's the difference?" For example - everyone is fighting for living space - what is the difference between the actions of the USSR in foreign policy in relation to its neighbors in particular, and their rivals? Really ?!))) But, further on the order.
Forward!

It must be said that in fact many, even extremely complex and complicated questions, have a simple answer, almost always on the surface. And only the inability, and sometimes the unwillingness to properly raise this question, leads to a confusing topic, - to the seemingly complicating problem, and the rejection of the possibility of its unequivocal interpretation. No less important, also the key importance is the real object of the question - that is, the analysis of which is the first part of the process of obtaining an answer to the question posed. And it just so happened that the easiest way to confuse everything, and to get an incorrect and ambiguous answer, this is a substitute for the real object of consideration!

Beginning is difficult?))) No, in fact, everything is simple, as already mentioned!
And it was precisely by introducing simplification into the system of independent search for answers to complex questions of the past, as well as modernity, using the example of highlighting the primary object of consideration of certain features of the history of the USSR, I was motivated to write this article. And only then, in fact the relevance and applicability in the analysis of current problems, the issues raised in it, I included it in this cycle. And in it I want to designate this "reliable object of analysis" to derive interconnections of its influence, as well as to give examples that will create, as the "conceptual apparatus" is now fashionable to facilitate the search for answers to the most complex at first glance questions of history.

Not so long ago, the first global cold war ended in the world, marking the end of the era of the socialist "naive" presence in the world, accompanied by the collapse of the USSR.
It must be said that this war ended somewhat earlier than is commonly believed. And it ended not with the fall of the USSR, but with the fall of the one with which it began to build its last peak - the Berlin Wall. Its significance and role in the world, it is customary to underestimate somewhat, reducing it to the theme of the "tragedy of the German people" only. In fact, a more significant symbol, capable of dotting many "and" exposing the whole essence of the global processes in the world, probably did not exist in modern history. Not for nothing at the headquarters of the CIA, as a trophy is stored, a fragment of this wall, the honor of destroying which, this organization itself attributed despite the fact that in the same headquarters about the actual cancellation of the Berlin Wall, we found out just like most of the inhabitants of the earth - by radio !

A big mistake is to believe that the Cold War is a confrontation between the superpowers. - Not! The Cold War is primarily a confrontation of the systems: the Soviet socialist system, which the Soviet Union personified, and the capitalist system represented by the United States.

Another confusion in the understanding of the processes brings the idea of ​​opposition to ideologies! They are very important, not to be confused with systems! In fact, the state ideology in strict accordance with the original ideas about it and the literal translation of the concept from the Greek language, there was only the USSR, as the teaching of the prototype. This Union built communism, was preparing for it by the whole society, alien to remnants. And in the States, as there was no state ideology, it still does not exist to this day, but if there is something similar, then it is strictly according to Marx, as a statement expressing the interests of one class issued as the interests of society! And here everything is simply explained, - capitalism, does not carry any idea as such! Only completely natural, almost primitive strivings for dominance in a competitive environment are carried out by means of control over as large a volume as possible, of capital itself. - It's just instincts! And it is precisely on these instincts that capitalism is entirely built and evolves in strict accordance with them, simultaneously modernizing society in order to fully comply with its laws. And only at certain levels of society, certain obstacles to the “wild” competitive process are created, due only to the desire of the elites that once were designated, to stabilize their position. For what purpose any idea can be used, in this case it is not an ideology, but the very maneuver, according to Marx, is a diversion of society.

Another thing is the Soviet socialist system, in which ideology is at the forefront, and first of all, regulates the structuring of the power system and elites. And after, and society, focusing on public units, as opposed to capitalist - individuals. Thus, this system, declaring as the only goal and motive, the well-being of a community built on the principles of equality, through restriction of personal freedoms, is really idealistic, unlike the mercantilist system of mutual relations of individuals, in a competitive environment that is tuned specifically to meet individual needs. Which, by the way, is also the most natural from the point of view of pragmatic theories, why, in fact, it does not really need an accompanying and supporting ideology.

So it turns out that the whole difference between the USSR and the USA was the motivation of the system to serve the interests of their basic component. Capitalist, with the forced satisfaction of requests for the economic component. For example, it is convenient for me to call it "mercantilist". And the socialist, with the forced satisfaction of the interests of the ideological component, is idealistic! This makes the whole degree of altruism of the USSR in foreign policy completely understandable. And everything else that seems to us a visual difference of systems is nothing more than derivatives of one, own for each system, the base cause! “This is precisely the basic object of all questions designed to clarify the perception of both reality and the history of that era!” But the refusal to consider this factor is nothing more than a mistake that can only confuse perception.

And, by the way, it was precisely because of this significant difference that the socialist system was doomed to lose to the capitalist, purely realistic ideology based on the natural human aspirations of meeting personal needs, both domestic and psychological, in conditions of the coexistence of the two systems. It is precisely because the mercantilist system is entirely built on satisfying the needs of the individual, stimulating his competitive aspirations, and the socialist system is entirely based on meeting the needs of the community as a whole, satisfying the individual's requests on a residual basis. And as we all remember very well - the first in the conditions of the socialist system could not withstand individualistic, egocentric personalities, although the mechanisms for satisfying social needs were well developed in it.

Such a time bomb was in the system from the very beginning, since the idealistic approach requires an exclusively idealistic motivation of the subject. And of course, the initial assumption about the possibility of its existence was based on the thesis about the possibility of creating a self-replicating community, with absolute dominance of a certain type of personality characteristics, that is, a community of ideal people, with similar personality characteristics and a uniform system of values. This is precisely what the assertions that communism is possible, but society must grow to it, that is, synthesize these very, most universal personality traits, rejecting all unnecessary! I don’t know, of course, is it possible in reality? .. it may well be in completely isolated communities from alien influence. But if there are points of contact with a different environment, more natural, not idealistic, as practice has shown - alas ... impossible !! Immediately, lies the reason that at a certain stage of its development, thanks to the individualistic structure of the capitalist system, the socialist was simply forced to isolate itself, in order to preserve its guidelines and prevent its corrupting influence, which, by the way, was quite frankly declared! And, of course, there was no question of any serious degrading influence of the socialist system on the capitalist system, as practice has shown. As with the availability of opportunities to satisfy individual requests, a person turned out to be little susceptible to theses about a certain public benefit. More precisely, it is weakly motivated, to the perception of such!

Probably the most striking example in the history of such unequal confrontation was Berlin, the city mentioned at the beginning of the article, divided into zones of occupation between the victorious countries in World War II and at the same time between the two systems literally alive. The main, and perhaps even the only real problem provoking the construction of the Berlin Wall, was an incredibly large outflow of population from its eastern part to the west, on the territory of which all the conditions promoting the advantages of free capitalism were artificially created. That, I must say, hit the ball right on target! - The overwhelming majority of immigrants to the west were young people who received free and high-quality education in the east, specialties that were in demand, and all the other necessary services needed from the point of view of the socialist system to create a socially active and useful person, preferred to realize the acquired talents and knowledge a system that was not designed to give them such a start, but much better allowed to realize all the benefits derived from it with the elimination of personal benefit versus difficult to perceived public benefits. And all this, whatever you say - in a much more relaxed atmosphere! Of course, there was no need to talk about any open coexistence of systems. And the understanding of this fact, on the upper levels, came almost instantly! And a little later, it grew into an understanding that such tight points of contact are more likely vulnerabilities of the system aimed at creating an ideal society than the zones of its beneficial influence outside, as it was supposed theoretically, and the Iron Curtain has gained a new power. But, by that time , it was probably too late. After all, not only ordinary citizens turned out to be stronger than they were thought to be subject to such weaknesses, but also all strata of society, including representatives of management in principle. And it was a sentence for the USSR! And in the end, after a rather short time, the idealistic system was literally dismantled from the inside, without which, no matter how cool, its defeat in the Cold War was absolutely impossible!

The most striking example of the various influences of these, fundamentally opposing systems on the outside, are the most large-scale external conflicts with their direct participation in the process of opposing each other. For the USSR, this is Afghanistan, and for the USA, of course, Vietnam.

And at the same time, here I will give an example of the correct determination of the object of analysis, with the correct characteristics. - These two conflicts in scale, dynamics, and tragedy are completely dissimilar, in essence, of the same nature! Both conflicts as a response, the reaction of one side of the global confrontation to the excessive growth of the influence of the opponent on the zone of their interest. Both conflicts with the active participation of one side of the global confrontation, and passive participation of the other to counter. Both conflicts ended in a strategic retreat of the active participant. And the whole difference, which does not allow to equally perceive these two wars, is hidden, not as mistakenly believing those who incorrectly represent the object of analysis and its characteristics - the difference in the level of military training, the motivation of the parties and the territorial specificity of wars, but in what systems active participant in the process! How were they motivated basically, and what specific tasks were set and implemented only for them, systems!

And it is for this reason, the reason for the fundamental difference of systems, that the actions of the warring parties in wars were so different. It is precisely because of this, the United States, by virtue of this characteristic of its inability to act that does not meet the interests of its economic components, turned Vietnam into a recycling factory with the capabilities of testing as many weapons as possible. Simply blasting the capabilities of the defense industry and related sectors with unprecedented infusions. While the USSR, implementing the requirements of its main ideological component, paid not so much attention to the hostilities, that is, the destruction of the enemy, but to the construction of the statehood of Afghanistan through the creation of its social sphere, primarily implementing a lot of infrastructure and industrial projects on its territory, and these are merely a cover for this, and there were already hostilities, which everyone remembered as the main phenomenon, solely because of the emotionality of the question! And all this is extremely altruistic, by the way! What, I will pay attention, reveals not the "short-sightedness" of the system, as it is sometimes mistakenly perceived, but fully corresponds to its specificity, clearly demonstrating what we tried to designate here - the real object of the question in the analysis of such events and factors!

By the way, there was another system in the world, now actively reanimated, judging by a number of signs, when something like destroyed in the hardest war of the epoch is fascist, nationalistic. Ideological of course, but absolutely specifically motivated, and completely in accordance with its motivation, it has changed this world in an extremely unpleasant way for it, for the rest of the world. How exactly, I think, is not worth spraying here. But, it should be noted, it is with this system that people often like to compare the Soviet socialist system, people are very close! Well, what can I say ... it seems that too much mind is needed to distinguish two ideologies ?!)) - Based on the equal coexistence of carriers of any distinctive features, based on recognition of exclusive rights, carriers of a specific identity.

Alas, how about time ... and maybe the new Cold War? .. more and more often, and from an increasing number of commentators echoing the "fake" historians, one has to hear the questions of the plan - what is the difference between the wars of the USSR and the USA, and there they die people and there? What is the difference between the occupation of the USSR and fascist Germany, and there was lack of freedom there? What is the difference between the influence of the USSR and the USA on the world, and those for themselves rowing and those?
.... Really)) - What is the difference ??? )))))
... A big difference! Yes, just - awesome!
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 14 November 2014 06: 56
    +16
    Everything is extremely simple: we fought for peace, work, May (grandmothers were not the main thing), and they considered personal well-being and grandmothers to be the main thing. And to realize today that ordinary human principles of relations are more important than the bestial Western "you have to pay for everything" 20 years of comparison, and the fact that they are trying with all their might to destroy us suggests that, after all, the Russian world is winning. Because living according to your mind and conscience is somehow more important than for the sake of money ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 November 2014 07: 05
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Because living wisely and conscience is somehow more important than for grandmothers ...

      This is for those who have a conscience. And who does not have it? So again, the question arises of parenting (first of all).
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 14 November 2014 12: 25
        +1
        The family is the unit of society. Therefore, what kind of society is such education.
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 14 November 2014 18: 11
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        This is for those who have a conscience. And who does not have it? So again, the question arises of parenting (first of all).

        That's it .... love
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 14 November 2014 09: 04
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Because living wisely and conscience is somehow more important than for grandmothers ...

      Not only more important, but also much more difficult. And the difficulties are many unbeatable.
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 14 November 2014 09: 32
      0
      ... A big difference! Yes, just - awesome!

      Thank God I see this difference.
    4. Papakiko
      Papakiko 14 November 2014 12: 10
      -8
      Quote: Rurikovich
      we fought for peace, labor, May (grandmas were not the main thing)

      Komrad, why generalize?
      The citizens of the country thought that they were thinking and that they were building and fighting for "MTM", but in fact they HAVE citizens in all positions and what they got (One example: Natural tax on peasants (collective farmers) and a ban on issuing passports the peasants (collective farmers) ended this SLAVERY in the period 1970-1976 and began the transition to economic SLAVERY. The latter is now everywhere.
      Therefore, about what-who-where "built" the questionsssssssec is very tense.
      Thieves were under the kings.
      Thieves were under Stalin.
      Thieves were under Khrushchev.
      Thieves were under Brezhnev.
      Thieves were under Gorbachev.
      Thieves came to power and rule in modern times.

      Almost like about Ulyanov V.I. (Lenin)
      This is only about thieves, but there are other definitions and other people and this is all on the "body" of the state community. For the same reason, the "power" refuses permission for a short-barrel and the firearms are limited in every possible way. I will not continue talking about the "excess of self-defense" and so on "koliziyah" in the Criminal Code.
      Quote: Rurikovich
      says that, nevertheless, the Russian world wins

      It is mainly in a dream or in fantasies.
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Because living wisely and conscience is somehow more important than for grandmothers ...

      This is for everyone in different quantities and under different sauces.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 14 November 2014 13: 15
        0
        And what is the people minus?
        The memory is apparently "good", everyone remembers how the "Soviet Motherland" began?
        Let me remind you: Tambov province (called "Antonovshchina"), detachments of ChON (Special purpose units (CHON, osnaz units) - "communist squads", "military-party detachments" created at factory party cells (party cells), district, city, district and provincial committees of the party on the basis of the decision of the Central Committee of the RCP).
        G. E. Zinoviev, L. B. Kamenev, V. I. Ulyanov (Lenin), I. V. Stalin, L. D. Trotsky
        N. I. Bukharin, M. I. Kalinin, V. M. Molotov, and so on and to infinity.
        LATSKY arrows, Czechoslovak corps.
        Everything under the sauce WORLD-MAY.
        Inscription: "The communists who died at the hands of kulaks during the kulak uprising in 1921 are buried here. Bekker NG, Borsh NN, Volde IN, Gassman A., Gosnits I., Herman TI, Zaltsman V.E., Kesler I.I., Sander N.I., Shterzer P.P., Shuller I.Ya. "
      2. Userpic
        Userpic 14 November 2014 16: 50
        +3
        Quote: Papakiko
        One example: In-kind tax on peasants (collective farmers)
        And an example of what is this example? smile

        ban on issuing a passport to peasants (collective farmers)
        A link to the prohibition document, please.
        When you do not find such a document, ask yourself the question - "why do I need a passport?" If you are able to think logically, then after a while you will come to the conclusion that you do not need a passport - your passport is needed by the state as a means of control (that is why in the USSR of that period, horses without exception had passports, and people did not - there was no need for this kind control).

        Thieves were under the kings. Thieves were under Stalin. Thieves were under Khrushchev. Thieves were under Brezhnev. Thieves were under Gorbachev.
        Only attitude and punishment was and is very different.

        Quote: Papakiko
        Let me remind you: Tambov province
        http://scepsis.net/library/id_2974.html

        Everything under the sauce WORLD-MAY
        WORLD-LABOR-MAY is not a sauce, but a goal that you will never achieve if you do not fight off those who are trying to devour you, defending “your sacred right” to live at the expense of others.

        So the right thing is minus you. hi
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 14 November 2014 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Userpic
          http://scepsis.net/library/id_2974.html

          What "America" ​​did you want to open with your link?
          Quote: Userpic
          A link to a prohibiting document, please. When you do not find such a document, ask yourself the question - "why do I need a passport?" If you are able to think logically, then after a while you will come to the conclusion that you do not need a passport - your passport is needed by the state as a means of control (that is why in the USSR of that period, horses without exception had passports, and people did not - there was no need for this kind control).

          Logichisks excluding \ including all possible options and possibilities you have a 100% chance of independently finding on the Internet information regarding passports and their relations with collective farmers (peasants).
          And if there was no need for control, let us explain the reasons for the natural tax on peasant / collective farm yards, at the time when spacecraft began to rave about the expanses of space. Your logic will help you.
          Quote: Userpic
          So the right thing is minus you.

          Personally, I will barrrrabana on + -. I convey my position to the comrades, and to whom and how in what place should heavy words about the harsh truth of the history and events of the state lie, this is already a personal matter of each person individually and relying in his conclusions on "common sense", "aligophrenia" or "paid conscience ".
          Quote: Userpic
          WORLD-MAY - not sauce, but the goal

          Friendship Slippers Chewing gum also apparently the goal.
          Quote: Userpic
          who tries to devour you, defending "their sacred right" to live at the expense of others.

          Well-oo-oo-oo, pill, herb, powder, this is probably all trivial for those who live in their "own" illusory world of a parallel universe.
          How are capitalist slaves different from communist slaves? The latter do everything for free and wait for the "arrival" of a bright future.
          1. Userpic
            Userpic 14 November 2014 22: 52
            0
            Quote: Papakiko
            What "America" ​​did you want to open with your link?
            Your remark is completely empty in meaning:
            If the link given to you is not known, then after reading the given material America must open.
            If the reference given to you is known and true, then your reference to the Tambov uprising is a deliberate lie.
            If the link provided is known to you, but does not correspond to reality, then it would be logical for you to provide materials that factually refute the information provided by the link, and thereby open people's eyes to the truth.

            You are acting "in a completely extraordinary way" - you are trying to move out to the bazaar.

            Logichisks excluding \ including all possible options and possibilities you have a 100% chance of finding information on your own on the Internet regarding passports and their relations with collective farmers (peasants)
            Again, an attempt to move out to the market and not lose face.

            Explain the reasons for the natural tax on peasant / collective farmsteads
            Of course, I would have done that if you answered this question to my question about an example. But you, instead of answering a legitimate question, are trying to turn the arrows and move out to the market.

            Quote: Userpic
            I bring my position to the comrades
            As such, your position is not interesting to anyone - your position supported by facts and logic is interesting, and not by attempts to merge from a series of "the fool himself."

            harsh words about harsh truth
            Kindly give a consistent system of facts instead of hard words.

            Friendship Slippers Chewing gum is also apparently the target
            It depends entirely on whether you set such a goal or not.

            Well-oo-oo-oo, pill, herb, powder, this is probably all trivial for those who live in their "own" illusory world of a parallel universe
            Many words - 0 meanings.

            What is the difference between capitalist slaves and communist
            In the same way that Martians born on Mars differ from Martians born on Jupiter.

            The latter do everything for free
            Once again, you demonstrate a typical ignorance of the subject, a set of liberal stamps and an attempt to move out to the market.

            Not solid.

            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 16 November 2014 02: 11
              0
              Quote: Userpic
              and move out to the market.

              Four times in a post to send to the bazaar, well, this is a bust.
              Or are you trying to convince me of spinning at your outlet in the market?
              Quote: Userpic
              You are acting "in a completely extraordinary way"

              You are our ordinary, what exactly do you want to say for the promise of the proposed resource?
              What would the anal-carnival of everything written in accordance with the rules of the Russian language have done or settled in the archives and double-checked the authenticity of archival documents to what was stated in the article?
              Quote: Userpic
              If the reference given to you is known and true, then your reference to the Tambov uprising is a deliberate lie.

              What is my box? belay
              The fact that the peasants organized, openly opposed the CHON and the Red Army, and the latter exterminated them by all means (hostages, gases, etc.)
              Or did the Latvian Riflemen, the Czechoslovak Corps, and many others, and (Japanese-Chinese including) in the total number of about 250000 active bayonets exterminate more than 15000000 Russian citizens?
              Quote: Userpic
              (that is why in the USSR of that period the horses polls had passports, but people didn’t - there was no need for this kind of control)

              Apparently there was complete freedom of movement for any citizen, and why then the Central Asian republics in full force did not move, but only in the 90s after the "divorce" and the onset of complete independence of each subject of the former USSR ??
              Yes, the example of a horse and a citizen is more than eloquent in setting priorities and values ​​in the "land of the Soviets."
              Quote: Userpic
              typical ignorance of the subject, a set of liberal cliches

              I probably need a doctoral thesis to unsubscribe yes?
              Well, in order to be on the subject of the events of 1917-1927 and for how long did they pay a natural tax from my parents (grandparents) (Cow butter, sheep wool and skins, chicken eggs, etc.)?
              Or tell us that in the 80s there were no coupon systems for essential goods in the USSR?
              About liberal stamps, have you looked in the mirror for a long time or are you who you are?
              Quote: Userpic
              Not solid.

              Buy Maybach and drive around Moscow, both respectably and respectably and in all sorts of different ways ...
              1. Userpic
                Userpic 16 November 2014 05: 00
                0
                Quote: Papakiko
                Or are you trying to convince me of spinning at your outlet in the market?
                You think it's worth blaming?

                What would the anal-carnival of everything written in accordance with the rules of the Russian language have done or settled in the archives and double-checked the authenticity of archival documents to what was stated in the article?
                There is nothing to say on the topic you have touched?

                What is my box?
                That the peasants, that the gases, that they exterminated.
                Are you able to call the source of your imperturbable confidence in the extermination of peasants by gases? Apparently the source is "anal carnival"?

                Or did the Latvian Riflemen, the Czechoslovak Corps, and many others, and (Japanese-Chinese including) in the total number of about 250000 active bayonets exterminate more than 15000000 Russian citizens?
                And this too (why are you so modest with zeros? Add a couple more - it will be just right).

                Apparently there was complete freedom of movement for any citizen, and why then the Central Asian republics in full force did not move, but only in the 90s after the "divorce" and the onset of complete independence of each subject of the former USSR ??
                But how can they get over if conditions on the ground were created? Who wanted - received documents and drove.
                You are here http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_1691.htm
                here http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_3845.htm
                and here http://www.libussr.ru/doc_ussr/ussr_3843.htm
                You, as I understand it, are not able to refer to any document confirming your nonsense, and the source of these has probably already been forgotten - right?

                I probably need a doctoral thesis to unsubscribe yes?
                Well, in order to be on the subject of the events of 1917-1927 and for how long did they pay a natural tax from my parents (grandparents) (Cow butter, sheep wool and skins, chicken eggs, etc.)?
                You are unlikely to master the doctor's degree, but to answer the question - "And what is this example an example of?" - could very well.

                Or tell us that in the 80s there were no coupon systems for essential goods in the USSR?
                At that time, when did we manage to reach the 80s, in which, by the way, in the abbreviation of the USSR, the 2nd and 3rd "S" in fact no longer existed?

                About liberal stamps, have you looked in the mirror for a long time or are you who you are?
                Fig denial ...

                Buy Maybach and drive around Moscow, both respectably and respectably and in all sorts of different ways ...
                It is so painful.

                In general, you again unsuccessfully tried to move out to the market ...

                Not solid.
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 16 November 2014 13: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Userpic
                  You think it's worth blaming?

                  Quote: Userpic
                  In general, you again unsuccessfully tried to move out to the market ...

                  Quote: Userpic
                  Not solid.

                  The campaign point is really depressed ........
                  Quote: Userpic
                  You are here

                  Quote: Userpic
                  here

                  Quote: Userpic
                  and here

                  Well, what do you take me to the market or the library?
                  As if your diseases are not good, you share them generously with others.
                  On fences and various places, too much is written.
                  In the constitution of the country it IS at all PROVIDED only to officials running and sweating in inhuman run, unnoticed.
                  Quote: Userpic
                  That the peasants, that the gases, that they exterminated.

                  Quote: Userpic
                  And this too (why are you so modest with zeros? Add a couple more - it will be just right).

                  You are a pretty well-worn user of Runet and it will not be difficult for you to find the census results under Imperial Russia and the same results under the USSR.
                  The resulting "gap" will tire of attributing to natural decline!
                  You have to complete ............. it remains to announce that the human losses of the USSR in the period 1941-1945 is nonsense and the Communist propaganda.
                  They didn’t burn anyone in the firebox of the engine, they didn’t shoot the IPATievs in the basement of the house and did not bury them in the Ganina pit.
                  And that in the Polish camps and then in Fashisky there were exclusively sanatorium conditions and that people were taken out and resettled in all corners of the globe, where they still make up the human skeleton of those country states.
                  In Odessa, the "separatists" from the inept use of the air conditioner self-burned and killed themselves.
                  "Broiler" personally knocked down the GDP from the ragatka and so on.
                  Quote: Userpic
                  At that time, when did we manage to reach the 80s, in which, by the way, in the abbreviation of the USSR, the 2nd and 3rd "S" in fact no longer existed?

                  Fabulously enchanting, brava.
                  Maybe the USSR did not exist at all?
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                    1. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 16 November 2014 17: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Userpic
                      Apparently, you don’t have any acre of liberal cliches of consciousness.

                      Fabulously enchanting, brava.
                      Quote: Userpic
                      I, unlike you, did this a long time ago.

                      Put it on the table and don’t tweet, one at a time and find out what the public thinks about this.
                      Quote: Userpic
                      while you are only fortunate enough to prove that you are a balabol.

                      Have you played a tambourine for a long time?
                      Quote: Userpic
                      So prove the falsity of the subject matter

                      Repeatedly highly educated, masterpiece.
      3. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 14 November 2014 18: 14
        0
        So you didn’t understand anything ... To die for a friend under clear circumstances is much worse than secretly constantly sacrificing for him !!!
  2. krpmlws
    krpmlws 14 November 2014 07: 38
    -1
    A delusional article with a claim to exclusivity. What is only a liberoid statement about the inevitability of the collapse of socialism. The Anglo-Saxon mentality considers personal and national interests to be the highest value. The Russian mentality does not put national interests as the highest value. For a Russian, anything can be the highest value: true, freedom , conscience, justice, etc., which as a rule are in conflict with national interests. It is this negative feature of the Russian mentality that caused the death of the Russian Empire and the USSR. We have one scenario: weak central government, betrayal of the elites, inertia of the people. But the correct coordinate system: "for faith, tsar and fatherland", but this formula has not reached the mind and heart of the Russian people, therefore, conditions for future disasters remain. Only a strong central government in Russia is the engine of development and the guarantor of security, other there are no safety mechanisms in the Russian people.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 14 November 2014 08: 09
      +3
      The article is delusional - I agree, but your comment is still delusional.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 14 November 2014 12: 34
      +2
      The pyramidal structure of social management ("vertical of power" or "strong central power" - the top of the pyramid) has two organic drawbacks:
      - loss of information reliability when it rises from bottom to top ("compression deformation"); and - spraying (loss of power) of the control action when it descends from top to bottom ("expansion of the application area").
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 15 November 2014 21: 30
        0
        laughing good hi Especially in such a huge country as Russia.
  3. fomkin
    fomkin 14 November 2014 07: 54
    +2
    Something of today's authors pulled on verbosity. Maybe the stars are so settled.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 14 November 2014 12: 38
      0
      Continuation of the "intellectual series" called "The Big War". This article is more transparently written than the first.
  4. marxlight
    marxlight 14 November 2014 08: 22
    +1
    Bravo AUTHOR! Finally, the essence of the existence of the world in the 20th century is correctly presented!
    And the answers are given to many key questions and events.
    good good good

    True, not everyone will be able to understand this judging by the comments ...
    1. dmb
      dmb 14 November 2014 09: 56
      +1
      Now, if I set myself the task of convincing my interlocutors of the disgusting nature of socialism, I would definitely read it to him a couple of times (better monotonously). The effect would exceed all expectations. And the matter is not at all the stupidity of the masses. Being a good propagandist, not a raider, means a lot. And the author wrote exclusively for the opponent of his dissertation, nothing more.
  5. doxtop
    doxtop 14 November 2014 10: 02
    0
    Quote: marxlight
    True, not everyone will be able to understand this judging by the comments ...
    Amen! yes
  6. ARES623
    ARES623 14 November 2014 12: 39
    +3
    In a joke! The person has questions about history! Who is history or what? In my opinion, history is the area of ​​knowledge about the past of a person (a group of people :-))). This is a set of events that have already happened, figuratively speaking. What can I ask him? I think initially the message is wrong. I agree, however, that it is very important to put the question correctly and even more important to address it correctly. This, so, remarks from the field of theory. Now, in essence. In my opinion, in the context of the issue under consideration, there is no cold war, especially between some social. and cap. systems. There is a permanent confrontation between civilizations, between the West, Russia and the East, especially along the West-Russia line. What social and capital contradictions when the British, with the help of a Dutch doctor, poisoned Ivan IV with mercury? This opposition either intensifies or weakens, but it has never been interrupted and will remain relevant for a long time as long as both poles exist. This was not interrupted even in those moments (historical) when formally we united against a single danger (Operation Southern Plan, Operation Unthinkable, etc.). And in the period of globalization there are not even prerequisites for weakening this confrontation. For those who are interested in the topic, read Danilevsky. The author, apparently, firmly "sat down" in the department of "Marxist-Leninist disciplines" of the 1980s, although I took a lot for myself. They taught well ...
  7. Goravrin
    Goravrin 14 November 2014 14: 53
    +1
    The author of the article, as best he could, set out his vision of the issue that existed in "that" period of confrontation. The conclusion takes place, but he stated it for persons corresponding to the professorship of the minimum of the University. For me, this creation, in places (especially at the beginning of the article) was understood from the second time. In general, I went hard ...
    It’s easier to be and people will stretch :)
    in essence: as far as I remember the history of the Russian state, we always preserved the cultural traditions of peoples and nationalities, created and are creating places where they had the opportunity to expand their worldview and horizons, and helped economically.
    And, as a hypothesis / variant, K. Markas and F. Engels put Russian originality, tradition, kindness and forgiveness, justice, mutual assistance to one's neighbor, achievement of the goal by the whole team, into the concept of "socialism". those. having reached the level of "Russian culture" the world could approach communism ...
    1. AVAAR
      14 November 2014 18: 35
      -1
      )) Excuse me!
      Indeed - as he could!
  8. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 November 2014 19: 02
    +3
    I read only one stupid sentence and immediately put out a minus, because the rest is uninteresting.

    To begin with, I will quote Elena Prudnikova, whose books are required reading for anyone who is going to say something about the history of Russia and the USSR: "Socialism as a social system does not exist, there were Lenin, Stalin and Brezhnev socialisms." Well, with this very Stalinist socialism of the USSR, a big and fat one lay down on the suffering of hungry children in Africa, Joseph Vissarionovich had 200 million of his citizens about whom he had to think about, but about the rest only insofar as. The spread of Soviet ideology was subordinated exclusively to Soviet interests. There is a big difference between mutually beneficial cooperation and the formation of a single powerful economic space and gratuitous assistance to each monkey, who declared that he would build socialism on his palm only in order to get a bunch of nishtyaks for free and jump over to the enemy of his own free will, or as a result of a coup. So there is no need here about ideology, ideology, the United States also has it, and this ideology directly contradicts the Soviet one, since the Soviet one involves throwing out the bourgeoisie. For this reason, the United States will fight it in the same way that kings and kings just jointly fought against encroachments on the monarchy. Well, meeting the needs of the population is the task of the state in general, regardless of ideology.
  9. Yurrra.
    Yurrra. 15 November 2014 00: 15
    +1
    At the beginning, the substitution of concepts from false premises, then a snowstorm, and at the end of frank delirium. Left stuffing.