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Expert: In the ATO zone, Ukraine can ruin all its special forces

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During the fighting in Novorossia, Ukraine has already lost 40 well-trained special forces. If losses continue at a pace, the country risks remaining without an elite unit, reports RIA News the words of the director of the Army Research Center Valentin Badrak

Expert: In the ATO zone, Ukraine can ruin all its special forces


“This war has already died, I want to voice the sad statistics, 40 special forces. And the majority of them were used not for the intended purpose, but as infantry ... I think we can lose the elite division because it takes more than 2 years to train each of these specialists. ”- said a military expert.

According to the National Security Council of Ukraine, by the beginning of October, the total number of security officials killed in the Donbass was more than 1 thousand people.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 13 November 2014 17: 15
    +62
    The Ukrainian government downloaded a selection of news from the Internet into a powerful computer and asked him the question:
    - What needs to be done to make Ukraine become Europe?
    The computer digested the received information for a long time, and then issued the answer:
    - Immediately shoot a giraffe in the Kiev zoo!
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 13 November 2014 17: 17
      +34
      Do not listen to the expert, but go and destroy your special forces. Better to see once .....
      1. Telakh
        Telakh 13 November 2014 17: 24
        +46
        All the special forces, in its good sense, fled in March, along with the entire SBU and the archive of documents. And the fact that after them they made "special forces" is, to the chickens to laugh.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 November 2014 17: 30
          +21
          Quote: Telakh
          this, chickens to laugh

          Oh, you're lying, what kind of chickens are in the ATO zone the terrorists have long since stolen and devoured all chickens. wassat
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          2. 97110
            97110 13 November 2014 17: 44
            +9
            Quote: Nagan
            what kind of chickens

            In 1986, I personally saw a population of chickens on the border with the Gomel region. These birds did not allow the milli-zer to come closer than 30 m. And on "tsyp-tsyp" they immediately took off above the roof and dived into another street. Maybe it's descendants?
        2. Natalia
          Natalia 13 November 2014 17: 36
          +2
          Quote: Telakh
          All the special forces, in its good sense, fled in March, along with the entire SBU and the archive of documents. And the fact that after them they made "special forces" is, to the chickens to laugh.

          It’s like in that joke:
          A man walked through the woods and sees a car burn. He sat in it and burned. Ha ha ha
          So that one. winked
      2. Duke
        Duke 13 November 2014 17: 35
        +6
        Kiev, November 13.
        Major General Igor Krishtun, Acting Chief of the Military Service and Law Enforcement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, cited shocking data from the report, which states that the number of suicides in the Ukrainian army has quadrupled and the number of deserters has increased significantly.
        The report compares data from the past two years. Thirteen Ukrainian soldiers committed suicide last year, this time with 46. In total, according to the military service of law and order, 960 people died: 750 of them at the front.
        These data, with a high probability, do not reflect the whole picture of the disaster: the Security Council of Ukraine stated on the eve that more than a thousand troops were killed in the conflict zone.
        The number of offenses in the Ukrainian army almost tripled. Last year, this figure was at the level of 3 points, today - 8,16 points. Moreover, half of the offenses are criminally punishable.
        The number of deserters also increased tenfold. According to the latest data, five and a half thousand people went on the run, of which almost a thousand military personnel, the rest - those who fell under spontaneous mobilization. Less than half of those who escaped were detained, reports Krishtun. According to him, three thousand soldiers are still considered to have gone into an irrevocable AWOL.
        Earlier it was reported about one of the cases when the military prosecutor's office found that in early September conscripts voluntarily left the location of the military unit of the Poltava garrison and evaded military service for about a month. The supervisory authority has already opened 222 criminal cases regarding the unauthorized abandonment of 3078 troops by the military. Another 56 criminal cases were instituted on the fact of evasion of military duties by 5 thousand people, 32 of which are subject to arrest.
        1. 511
          511 13 November 2014 18: 16
          +8
          But aren't those deserters buried lying in New Russia.
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 13 November 2014 22: 21
            +1
            No! Those dug in Novorossiya continue to "fight" and pass through the reports alive!
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 13 November 2014 22: 21
            0
            No! Those dug in Novorossiya continue to "fight" and pass through the reports alive!
            1. ermolai
              ermolai 14 November 2014 04: 05
              +2
              and in the statements are signed regularly
        2. Mwg
          Mwg 13 November 2014 18: 21
          0
          The Security Council of Ukraine said on the eve that more than a thousand troops were killed in the conflict zone.
          Do not lie, obviously more
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 14 November 2014 08: 58
            0
            With a captive ukrovoyakoy - ordinary! talked ... I was sitting next to me in the KamAZ cockpit, listening.
            The shelling of the APU fortifications of such a density that there is no one to interrogate after them ... to take an interview, captured, and te de ... Or you can plant potatoes there: collect pebbles, those that are larger (well, with a brick), and plant it! no need to plow ...
            So accurate data on the losses of the APU is a muddy matter ...
      3. news
        news 14 November 2014 02: 19
        0
        Pranker Lexus and Kolomoisky (news items)
    2. jjj
      jjj 13 November 2014 17: 18
      +10
      For some reason, one thinks: which state - such is the special forces
      1. domokl
        domokl 13 November 2014 17: 25
        +16
        Quote: jjj
        For some reason, one thinks: which state - such is the special forces

        It's you in vain ... The Special Forces in Ukraine was very decent. There were people to choose from. The whole Kirovograd brigade was ... They chose from there. It’s different that there was nowhere to train new people. Because of this, special forces grew old. According to some estimates, now Ukraine should have the order of 500-700 of such officers. Let’s take away 40 young people who became army commanders and died. Take away the old people and .. get order 250-350 active bayonets. But some again in the anti-terrorist operation zone in an unidentified role ...
        1. Koresh
          Koresh 13 November 2014 17: 31
          +13
          Almost the entire Kirovograd special forces brigade is currently sitting at the airport. And the messages from there are very sad for the APU. As for me, the General Staff wants to specifically destroy the most combat-ready units.
          1. domokl
            domokl 13 November 2014 17: 57
            +1
            Quote: Koresh
            Almost the entire Kirovograd special forces brigade is now sitting at the airport

            It seems to me that the General Staff does not want to, but ... the political image of the country ... But the General Staff of the Armed Forces understand that the brigade is actually gone. Those who stay at the airport are already just good infantry, but not Special Forces ...
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 14 November 2014 21: 45
              0
              Quote: domokl
              It seems to me that the General Staff does not want, but ... the political image of the country ... But the General Staff of the Armed Forces perfectly understand that the brigade is actually gone.

              Well, we all had the opportunity to be convinced of the "professionalism" of the ukrogeneralov! lol good
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 13 November 2014 18: 05
            +5
            The Kuevskaya junta fulfills the agreement with the chevron and shell liberates the territory of Donbass and Luhansk region from people. According to the agreement, this territory was leased for 50 years for 10 lard, while the "tenants" will sell shale gas to whoever they want, incl. Ukraine. Hence the exorbitant cruelty to the civilian population, the destruction of schools, hospitals, businesses, and the residential sector. tenants do not need people in this area due to future environmental problems. (see the video on the YouTube tube with the Americans who leased their land for the extraction of shale gas).
          3. Turkir
            Turkir 13 November 2014 18: 08
            +2
            ..the General Staff wants to specifically destroy the most combat-ready units.

            And rightly so.
            In order not to be taught how the general staff should work. lol
            1. domokl
              domokl 13 November 2014 18: 11
              0
              Quote: Turkir
              In order not to be taught how the general staff should work.

              good I like your formal logic laughing
        2. Iline
          Iline 13 November 2014 18: 17
          +5
          Special Forces are used only for special missions. In simple clashes, their losses may be higher than those of ordinary infantry. Not for that prepared. This is an axiom. But after several failed waves of mobilization in the Ukraine junta, there were no options left for plugging holes in the Donbass.
          By the way, in the first Chechen EBN also drove Alpha to Mozdok, the guys walked clearly confused by the upcoming war in the trenches. Then, thank God, the mind prevailed and the guys were recalled.
          1. 225chay
            225chay 14 November 2014 18: 40
            0
            Quote: Iline
            in the first Chechen EBN also drove Alpha to Mozdok, the guys walked clearly confused by the upcoming war in the trenches.



            EBN tsu .. a lot of things "caught up" during his reign ...
            I don’t want to wish him what he deserved, otherwise the moderators of the novels will cry out ...
        3. jjj
          jjj 13 November 2014 18: 48
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Are you in vain ... Spn in Ukraine was very decent

          I'm not a mockery. But in a dead state there can be no effective special forces. And the characters there are also very peculiar
        4. Gronsky
          Gronsky 13 November 2014 19: 55
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          .According to some estimates, now in Ukraine there should be about 500-700 of such officers.

          It seems to me that it is impossible to train a spetsnaz officer in two years (namely, this training period is indicated in the article). So this spetsnaz is mostly fake, like everything else in Hohland. A phony president, phony politicians, phony military men, phony "laws", flawed patriots, a creature disgusting to vomit, God forgive me, Ukraine.
        5. zeleznijdorojnik
          zeleznijdorojnik 13 November 2014 20: 27
          0
          I do not agree - even if we take young officers - i.e. minimum 23 years in 1991- i.e. Born in 1968 - the youngest is already 47. And take into account the 90s in Ukraine - when even compared to the then RF there was a deep ass ... They did not have any special needs.
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 26
        0
        "You don't get good fruit from a bad tree, just as you don't get bad fruit about a good tree."
      3. news
        news 13 November 2014 17: 45
        -3
        there is no special name. and nariks) and anashists) they would not go to war without lyrics and any seduksens and phenomena)
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 13 November 2014 17: 18
      +3
      [quot] If the losses continue at such a pace, the country risks being left without an elite unit, RIA Novosti reports the words of the director of the Army Research Center Valentine Badraka. [/ Quote]

      "After Badraki, they don't wave their fists!"
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 13 November 2014 17: 24
        +5
        Why Ukraine special forces! To protect the interests of a bunch of stoned politicians !? No.
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 35
          +3
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          Why Ukraine special forces
          ? Gulliver asked.
          - "Special forces for decorating nature" - whispers the secret adviser to the king.
          - "Spetsnaz to intimidate the people !!" - says the king.
          Almost like in New Gulliver.
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 29
        0
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Director of the Army Research Center Valentin Badrak.

        He’s a mess in Ukraine Badrak, camouflaged.
    4. boozer
      boozer 13 November 2014 17: 29
      +5
      Bandera fascists systematically destroy the remnants of legitimate state power structures. No special forces, no problems. The bandits however ...
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 13 November 2014 17: 34
      +2
      And why do we need special forces for Ukraine, only the jumpers should remain there in the junta’s thought.
    6. Denis fj
      Denis fj 13 November 2014 19: 56
      +1
      That in the ranks of the Ukrainian army, that in the ranks of ordinary fans - everywhere is traced a complete, no longer knocked out of my head anti-Russian mood, shoved into it by far from nationalist motives. People think that they are dying for their homeland, for the bright future of Ukraine, but in reality they are obtained as ordinary puppets of the government that sold them for a long time.
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz 15 November 2014 22: 38
      0
      Yes, they would have calmed down a long time ago, there will be no country soon.
  2. neri73-r
    neri73-r 13 November 2014 17: 16
    +10
    If these specialists (the presence of a brain and the ability to think are implied) are ready to fight for the nezalezhnosti as infantry, and indeed to fight in this war against their people, then they need to go there !!! As the Romans and their followers said, to each his own! hi
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    2. izGOI
      izGOI 13 November 2014 17: 38
      +5
      For a long time, we ourselves used GRU agents as gunners, machine gunners, light machine gunners in different Karabakhs and ... camps. And it’s good that they have grown wiser, but you can’t forget this either.
  3. Ober.K
    Ober.K 13 November 2014 17: 17
    +14
    I must note that the US State Department does not have such data ... In my opinion, they are just on vacation with their grandmothers ...
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 13 November 2014 17: 22
      +4
      Exactly!!! Even Lavrov noted this!))
  4. domokl
    domokl 13 November 2014 17: 18
    +7
    This is already serious. Army special forces, even intelligence special forces, can be trained in six months or a year ... But the elite ... 40 Special Forces officers are a hundred lyamy losses. Not less .. But the worst thing is, in Ukraine there are practically no training centers for such officers. And that means you can cook them only abroad .. mdya ... A hundred times a day have to chant-Glory to the Heroes ...
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 44
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      intelligence special forces can be prepared in six months or a year ..

      But first, it is necessary for the commandos to go through kindergarten, school, and the army, and only then can they be prepared for one and a half years for entry into the special forces detachment. But only after three years, a real commando can be made of him. But it may not work out and will remain the worst of the best, which can only cover up the actions of the best of the best. If you recall the story, the best fell into fighter aviation and prepared themselves for war, but only 20% of the flight crews were honored to shoot down one or more aircraft, 80% of the fighters did not shoot down a single aircraft. So in the special forces, and there are the best of the best.
      1. domokl
        domokl 13 November 2014 18: 08
        +1
        A little bit like that ... bully
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        But only after three years, a real commando can be made of him.

        Here I agree. Only from these who have become real, then the elite groups and detachments are already selected. They are autonomous and are engaged in a completely different matter.
        But thanks for the historical reference on aviation. I didn’t think about the numbers among the pilots before. I was struck by the order for the awards of the attack aircraft-5 sorties-medal ZBZ, 15-Order of the Red Star ... What kind of losses were if 5 sorties already heroism?
        1. jjj
          jjj 13 November 2014 18: 51
          0
          The Americans had five shot down - you are an ace and go home
        2. vch62388
          vch62388 13 November 2014 19: 01
          +3
          My grandfather, a naval fighter pilot, fought in the north in 1941-43. (before being wounded). Three battle orders. When in October childhood, after reading books about our aces (flew off - shot down a couple ...), I asked him how many shot down he was, I was extremely disappointed to hear the answer - TWO (Me-110 and Yu-88)
  5. major071
    major071 13 November 2014 17: 18
    +6
    According to the National Security Council of Ukraine, by the beginning of October, the total number of security officials killed in the Donbass was more than 1 thousand people.

    I would multiply this number. At minimum - then on 10, at maximum - ??? what
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 November 2014 17: 36
      +1
      You have to be realistic. We multiply by no more than two
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: major071
      I would multiply this number. At a minimum - then at 10,

      Suvorov dictates to the clerk a register about the enemy's losses: "You write down a zero, why should you feel sorry for his bastard."
  6. rasputin17
    rasputin17 13 November 2014 17: 21
    +4
    In the anti-terrorist operation zone Ukraine can destroy all its special forces

    Already ruined all my honor and conscience !!! The question is how she is going to live with it!?!?! ??
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 49
      +1
      Having lost honor and conscience, you can hold gay parades with a naked w ..
  7. pest
    pest 13 November 2014 17: 21
    +5
    And where did their special forces come from? There is a landing without planes. No need to call a special forces a bunch of thugs, just call it - meat.
    1. alexandrovich
      alexandrovich 13 November 2014 17: 32
      +1
      Ukrainians are afraid to call their units simply "infantry" !!!
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 52
      0
      This is not just meat, but specially prepared with sauce of hate and dunce ...
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 13 November 2014 18: 07
      -1
      just cannon fat, and then special forces, special forces.
  8. GRAY
    GRAY 13 November 2014 17: 22
    +4
    Ukraine of the 2000s is a complete analogue of Russia in the 90s, it is amazing.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 13 November 2014 17: 28
      0
      Quote: GRAY
      Ukraine of the 2000s - a complete analogue of Russia in the 90s

      "Late ignition" lol
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 13 November 2014 17: 35
        +1
        Quote: Landwarrior
        "Late ignition"

        Worse.
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 17: 58
      -1
      Quote: GRAY
      a complete analogue of Russia in the 90s,
      ??
      Only some similarities, but not a complete analogue. If you have Chechnya as an example, then deputies from the opposition opposed our army, or rather, against the ability to fight a Russian soldier, and corrupt officers and deputies in Ukraine want to fight ... not so said, I apologize ... deputies want to continue war, and the army can not fight in the presence of a corrupt command and mediocre government.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 13 November 2014 19: 39
        +2
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        Only some similarities, but not a complete analogue. If you have Chechnya as an example,

        I mean the quality of the state machine, not the circumstances in which it is located.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 13 November 2014 18: 17
      +3
      Russia was able to rise from its knees thanks to honest and decent Stirlitz. Remember the 3 American "professors" who helped Yeltsin hold the elections? One of them was a CIA colonel. He was able to use the money of the State Department to buy a controlling stake in a defense enterprise in the suburbs, without which we would not have been able to build fighters and strategic missiles. Tsrul planned to reorient the enterprise to the products of the Pentagon. The FSB got the processor out onto a buoy outside the Russian Federation. Another example?
      When the hodor was planted, who took his place? Three Americans from chevron, the eldest who was also a companion (died in a plane crash a few years later, if I’m not mistaken on a private airplane in South America, I don’t remember exactly, but the plot was on Russian news). What did they do? They sharply tried to withdraw the assets of Yukos over the river. More examples?
      In Ukraine, Ukrainian shtirlits, alas, did not stand up for their mother-mother, did not take care.
      Although decisive actions on the final neutralization of agents of influence of merikashiks to the sick body were shown.
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    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 13 November 2014 17: 33
      +1
      YES !!! WIDE RUSSIAN SOUL !!))))) hi
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 18: 02
      0
      I don’t know, I don’t know. Someone didn’t have a head on their shoulders, but from someone below everything was torn off almost to the waist. So with or without him, there’s another question about the whole soul.
  10. sever.56
    sever.56 13 November 2014 17: 24
    +4
    Did they have special forces? Bezler, at the beginning of the war, with only carbines and machine guns, took the officers of the "special forces" prisoner. They sat and made excuses like salagi ... And the "airmobile" units have long since become "airborne."
    1. Bassoon
      Bassoon 13 November 2014 21: 43
      0
      Yes, I was probably. They left an impressive legacy from the USSR.
  11. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 13 November 2014 17: 27
    +4
    They can. Destroy, without creating, the business card of the current non-competitive.
  12. Barboskin
    Barboskin 13 November 2014 17: 27
    +7
    After the story with Golden Eagle, there is nothing to be surprised at.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 13 November 2014 17: 32
      +2
      It remains only to wait when in Novorossia they will give these shortcomings a snot and they will go with weapons to create another maidan near the Rada !!!
  13. fridge
    fridge 13 November 2014 17: 30
    +5
    They are not special forces, but the Sonderkommando for cleaning up the Donbass. In general, dill needs all its names. They are zero without Russia.
  14. Bronik
    Bronik 13 November 2014 17: 34
    +6
    According to Ukropia, they had allegedly already destroyed the special forces of the Russian Federation before the division. So they understand the price of their specialists, and Russia, in their opinion, would have begun to hammer a simple brick with a sharpened scalpel? Three times haha. Any people feel sorry, but if you came to kill, be prepared to be killed yourself.
    1. Bassoon
      Bassoon 13 November 2014 21: 48
      0
      Why trifle. According to the Ukrainian media, our losses are 1 million dead and 4 million wounded. The Supreme Commander personally shoots the wounded from 7 to 9:00 Moscow time.
  15. xavbek7
    xavbek7 13 November 2014 17: 35
    +1
    Why shove specialists in punishers? Better give Natsik to the militia for grinding!
  16. tracker
    tracker 13 November 2014 17: 37
    +4
    Mozgovoy led a teleconference with the Ukrainians, among them were apparently former "Afghans", men in years, their brains are of course turned, but they have the skills of specialists
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 13 November 2014 18: 19
      0
      Dill in this dialogue was insincere, trying to replay the brain.
  17. Bassoon
    Bassoon 13 November 2014 17: 37
    +1
    That is, "cyborgs" are the last line of defense for dill.
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 November 2014 17: 38
    +2
    During the war, special forces always become just elite infantry.
    And bears a loss. This is normal.
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 13 November 2014 18: 28
      +4
      For elite infantry - elite tasks. And when nails are hammered with a microscope - this is a sign of idiocy of the one who waves this microscope.
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 13 November 2014 19: 24
      +1
      Special Forces is actually a very light infantry, and in a direct collision with ordinary motorized infantry it can be very quickly ground, because practically has no means of amplification, not to mention armored vehicles.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 November 2014 02: 43
        0
        I agree with you. There are no elite tasks during a difficult war.
        Special Forces are thrown to solve operational problems in order to
        Do not lose the war as a whole.
        And without the support of tanks, artillery losses can be very
        great despite the high personal training of fighters.
  19. Andrea
    Andrea 13 November 2014 17: 40
    +3
    Geletey guys are grasping, they don’t get used to hammering nails with a computer, since it means that the special forces will be killed and, still a bunch of people, why is it not a pity for the sake of Europe and Krajina.
  20. news
    news 13 November 2014 17: 42
    +2
    well, fine. clean up by snipers) quietly and without noise) they cooked for two years, and in a month they removed everything)
  21. Juborg
    Juborg 13 November 2014 17: 42
    +2
    What is most interesting in the discussion of such topics is not our Azerbaijani interlocutors. They evaporate right away somewhere.
  22. ladan-ran-1974
    ladan-ran-1974 13 November 2014 17: 43
    +7
    special forces killing civilians of their country is a criminal sonderkommando of punishers and has no right to mercy and humanity
  23. news
    news 13 November 2014 17: 43
    0
    if these addicts are considered the elite of the special forces. I don’t know laughing
  24. OlegLex
    OlegLex 13 November 2014 17: 46
    +3
    40 dead
    the numbers were rounded several times, from three digits to two digits
  25. v245721
    v245721 13 November 2014 17: 48
    +4
    if dill believe that 2 years and he is special. then in Russia, there are millions of such specialists.
  26. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 13 November 2014 17: 53
    +1
    Only 40 ?! I think the loss is much greater ...
  27. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 13 November 2014 17: 56
    +2
    12.04.14/XNUMX/XNUMX a self-liquidation program was launched in exukraine. Crisis managers assigned to make sure nothing remains. Spetsnaz - a drop in the cistern. Only those who moor to the liferaft of Novorossiya will survive. There is still time for the doubters. But there is less of it. Russia is "following its own course." Maximum will lift this raft on deck. Those who flounder along the course are chaotic - will be sunk. This is the historical dialectic.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 13 November 2014 18: 21
      0
      Learn the history of the civil war in Russia of the 20th century.
  28. Batia
    Batia 13 November 2014 17: 58
    0
    I can imagine what real experts listen to this ukrovsky result. Specialists are an honor and conscience. And how do national gadgets have the right to be called specialists? Ours would be there, then they would know why a pound of fat with pepper in the ass.
  29. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 13 November 2014 18: 07
    +3
    And at this time ..... the former head of the Council of Ministers of the DPR Alexander Boroday 13.11.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX gives an interview Ksenia Sobchak on the TV channel "Rain".

    Now, many questions after his interview regarding the events in the Donbass - disappear by themselves and are unlikely to be raised again.
    Boroday gives an interview YAVNO on the anti-Russian Dozhd channel. And if Borodai, as Surkov’s man says, then it’s not surprising that "Rain" and "Echo of Moscow" are still not closed, and Fyodor Bondarchuk is filming the anti-Soviet film "Stalingrad", humiliating the Soviet soldier and glorifying Jews and Germans.

    The Kremlin games "bad-good" are clearly irrelevant today and are already questioning IDEAS OF NEW RUSSIA.
    And the rule of the people in Donbass and the idea of ​​"Russian World" are made a laughing stock.

    I will not recall the statements that Boroday made while in Donetsk, but even then these statements revealed in him a CINEMA and AMBITIOUS appointee.
    And if such politicians were making politics in Transnistria, where "things are still there," and today in Donbass, then it is unlikely to end well here and "the cat will be pulled by the tail" .... as long as possible ... as soon as possible. And you can already guess - why ...
    Until multinationals finance their wallets and divide up the enterprises.

    The people and ideas of patriotism have always been trump cards in any political gamesbut political strategists need to work more competently without frank and dirty punctures ....
    ! It’s better not to add salt to the borscht than to add salt, you can add salt, and the salt must be diluted, but the taste is lost.

    Beard insults to Strelkova, which he voiced, giving an interview to a woman - Lowered Borodai below the "plinth", the same one that is for the same. And apart from disgust, Borodai can not cause anything. I coped with this feeling for a very long time. But now Borodai is in his place next to Sobchak. It is not for nothing that the people say that "a fisherman sees a fisherman from afar."
    I was not mistaken in my PERSONAL opinion regarding Borodai - for such "RIGHT" it is always only the price of the issue.
    After all, I would be in Strelkov’s place, and now I understand him perfectly well - I didn’t take any awards from Zakharchenko’s hands either.
    Actually, like Strelkov, I am also "evil". I never take offense and it is not possible to offend me, but I never forget anything.
    The measure of friendship, like love, is always the PRICE of personal losses - social status or financial losses. In war, he can be a friend, and a peaceful life a traitor.
    In short, "... pull the guy into the mountains ...".
    1. rocker_39
      rocker_39 13 November 2014 18: 31
      +3
      At the expense of the film, I dare to disagree with you. I watched this film, but filmed in a modern manner, but I did not see the humiliation of a Russian soldier there. I saw skill, heroism, filmed using computer technology, making the film very realistic. I liked him.
      1. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 13 November 2014 19: 11
        +2
        Quote: rocker_39
        At the expense of the film I dare to disagree with you


        Everyone eats a "dish" with their own sauce. This was the count when the film went into production.

        Propaganda is a "jewelry" affair, the main thing is not to spoil the "impression".

        On such
        Quote: rocker_39
        in a modern manner
        and there WAS A CALCULATION, and so propaganda was carried out in the USSR and Soviet cultural figures were bought, who sought to respond to Western and American "democracy".
        We were regularly reminded that Gogol was Mr. Gogol and even his work, for example, "The Overcoat", was sorted out on the shelves.
        By the way, today there are the same attempts in relation Strelkova. People in the State Department are changing, but there are NO methods.

        I listened to audio recordings of fairy tales on the Internet and read the ones that were written by Shooters for children - "Detective of Heldiborn Castle". Fairy tales are beautiful, and as a mother I can appreciate it. And I listen to them myself in my free time just for fun, since children are already adults for fairy tales. The style is not like anyone else - your own and DECENT OFFICER. And it feels and feels GOOD.

        I can say that Strelkov is a worthy writer .... but his works are also managed to be disassembled today by "hired" political strategists, but they still do it badly, because it is written LITERALLY.
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      3. Foxmara
        Foxmara 17 November 2014 18: 38
        0
        Bondarchuk has mastery of shooting, but he shamelessly misinterprets the events and misinterprets them in an ugly, meanly. This opinion was formed after the 9th company. And I will not change it any more - the essence of "man" will not change from film to film. Therefore, Stalingrad did not even bother to watch.
    2. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 14 November 2014 09: 20
      0
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      Borodai is now in his place next to Sobchak. It is not for nothing that the people say that "a fisherman sees a fisherman from afar."


      In contact with. Message from the militia of New Russia. 14.11.2014/6/35. XNUMX:XNUMX a.m.

      Message from I.I. Strelkova:

      "Once I considered Borodai my friend - he was then a correspondent for the newspaper" Zavtra "- behind him were Transnistria and the defense of the BD in 1993. We were together several times in" hot spots "- he and Chechnya to me in 2001 - he flew in and even took part in a couple of military exits. He introduced me to M. Leontiev and many others. Then Sasha created and headed a PR firm, where he began to quickly get rich and acquire high connections. We saw less and less often, although friendly relations supported and provided each other with various assistance, but his appearance in Donetsk as a prime minister "knocked me down" - Sasha, who had not worked for a day in any of the state structures, immediately became the head of a state. In general, I viewed him as a temporary figure, and he did not create illusions about this. I expected that this would allow him to start a political career in Russia. Well, he acted accordingly - that is, in his own interests (in fact, in the interests of Surko, who directed all his actions VA, who even came to him on his birthday in the summer - "did the honor"). Sasha played his role in my removal, of course. He was not the only one who tried, but, yes - perhaps the decisive one. After all, I still continued (from old memory) to trust him in many ways. The result is known. Now Sasha will have a long and glorious career in the paid Surkovskaya litter. Well, well, I deserve it. "

      Many started as a Beard. The goal is to make money first ..... or rob .....
      ... like that ... and tomorrow or later I WILL BECOME AN ORDER CITIZEN AND WELCOME FATHER.
      I want to disappoint BEARD - no one in my life has succeeded.
      And some of them did not learn to pour BITTER even "pangs of conscience" .... He still has everything ahead .... because today Alexander Borodai is just a "man in his prime" ....
      1. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 14 November 2014 16: 35
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        Quote: Tanya-umunechka
        Alexander Boroday is just a "man in his prime" ....

        I read the opinion in an interview with Beard.
        "FOUR FEATHERS". Independent social and political portal of Voronezh
        "Igor Strelkov:" Borodai - paid Surkovskaya litter "" 14 November 2014

        ""For some reason, he sat and watched an interview with Ksenia Sobchak and Alexander Borodai on the Rain for an hour and a half. Painful sight- notes the writer Dmitry Olshansky. “The debating Sobchak and Boroday are a fine illustration of the dreary situation we all have to be in.”

        On the one hand, a girlfor which Russians are like bugs, well, at best, feral children from Golding's prose, a girl who sincerely does not understand how to compare the lives of some natives of Lugandon (but who counts them at all? buried in the yard and hare) - with the whole Boeing, where civilized flew.
        A, on the other hand, the Kremlin political strategistWhich for an hour and a half did not say a single word of truth (in general, not a single one, I specifically considered) and who, adapting to any bosses, under any order, including the most cynical, composes his political technology, without even thinking about what kind of criminal brothel he is constructing. Who is better here? Who is worse? Who is Scylla Kharibdovna? Who is Kharibda Szillovna? Turn off and forget».

        Borodai has always spoiled his image and now his party "Dom-2" is under the supervision of Sobchak and its inhabitants.
        Good luck to him in his new field - they will have a GOOD DAY TO EARN. Sobchak herself a "fisherman" in this and made a fortune, and now with another "fisherman" as can be seen from the interviewed Boroday willingly shares his experience.
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  30. shasherin_pavel
    shasherin_pavel 13 November 2014 18: 13
    +1
    If you try to cut a boa constrictor tail, then you can make a mistake and cut off the head. If the country doesn’t need special forces, then there is only one way, to feed someone else’s soldier.
  31. mamont5
    mamont5 13 November 2014 18: 16
    +2
    "According to the National Security Council of Ukraine, by the beginning of October the total number of security officials killed in Donbass was more than 1 people."

    Yes-ah-ah-ah, where's the "immortal" of the Persian king. How many ukrov not hit, still not more than a thousand.
  32. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 13 November 2014 18: 33
    +1
    The losses of the Kiev army among * runners * from the military commissar of the Odessa region are estimated to be about 30 thousand. Yes, and in general the Kiev government is not at war with Little Russia, but primarily with its people, which it still controls. so that against their background they look like smart saviors of their * territory * (I do not intentionally write * countries * 0.
  33. sazhka4
    sazhka4 13 November 2014 18: 40
    +2
    The DNR militia reconnaissance group conducted a special operation in the village of Kamenka, as a result of which the flag of the 101st Kiev brigade of a separate guard regiment of the General Staff of Ukraine was captured, activists of the socio-political movement Novorossiya.
    http://vz.ru/news/2014/11/13/715207.html
  34. rothmans
    rothmans 13 November 2014 19: 02
    0
    There are many specialists in Ukraine http://voinanet.ucoz.ru/index/specnaz_ukrainy/0-12926, not everyone wanted to fight, while there were no losses
  35. Aibolit64
    Aibolit64 13 November 2014 19: 06
    0
    But shaw, there are special forces on the outskirts. Or he is a specialist in high jump and speech. If so, it’s a pity, such clowns disappear.
  36. sv68
    sv68 13 November 2014 19: 10
    +1
    well, because of the bad head and legs it’s bad. with incompetent power, not only special forces but the whole army can simply be driven into slaughter and get lost as it turned out.
  37. Megatron
    Megatron 13 November 2014 19: 53
    0
    Only 40 ?? Or is it 40 killed every day?
    And so they just lost a couple of zeros behind.
  38. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 13 November 2014 20: 56
    0
    I would like to understand what kind of "special forces". General Staff, Army, SBU, Ministry of Internal Affairs?

    40 of which? Out of 250, as written above? Then a lot ...

    Two years of little preparation ... This is just a little "hook" conscripts ....
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 14 November 2014 02: 00
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      Quote: The Cat
      Two years of little preparation

      ??.. In the presence of at the officer a certain experience of service before joining the detachment can be well trained in two years. I understand that there is no smell of "conscripts" there.
  39. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 13 November 2014 20: 57
    0
    Why do they need their own special forces? They will have "green berets" and SAS men to work. The West will help ...
  40. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 13 November 2014 22: 33
    0
    In vain you are so, they still have special forces (except for those who moved to us, or went west in search of a better share), they (the outskirts) at the present stage do not need thinking specialists, because they don’t want to dig for Maidan in shit. WHOM DOES IT NOW IN THE COUNTRY DEFEND - THOSE WHO DESTROYED THE ARMY! Fight against your own in the southeast?
  41. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 November 2014 01: 46
    +2
    Ukraine has already lost 40 well-trained commandos.

    The faster he loses everyone, the better.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 November 2014 16: 45
      0
      Well dill thinned, it is a pity that not all under the root.
  42. avia1991
    avia1991 14 November 2014 01: 57
    0
    According to the National Security Council of Ukraine, by the beginning of October, the total number of security forces killed in the Donbass amounted to more than 1 thousand people.
    Well, direct touches! wassat And after all, most importantly, they don’t lie, sv.loch: more than 1 thousand - much more!
  43. Wolka
    Wolka 14 November 2014 05: 48
    +1
    and you don’t need to go into reconnaissance, here it’s the real state of affairs in the Armed Forces, at least a lot of loafers, certainly all geniuses are strategists and tactics, and there’s no one to fight, Maidan’s meat was also threshed for 10 years ahead ...
  44. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 14 November 2014 05: 51
    +1
    Remember our recent past? Chechnya, 1994 - 2004. Almost all special units of all law enforcement agencies visited there (special forces of the State Tax Committee did not see it there). And what did they do there? Yes, everyone! And as infantry and reconnaissance and protection of especially important ... escort of the columns. Who was in Komsomolsky will not let lie, there was such a hodgepodge! MO (GRU, Airborne Forces, motorized riflemen, tankmen, artillery men) of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (SOBR, OMON, VV) FSB, FSIN. Maybe someone forgot, I'm sorry.
    IMHO. Spetsnaz must fight! Regardless of departmental affiliation, at least as attached units. Otherwise, it starts to "rust".
  45. pts-m
    pts-m 14 November 2014 10: 41
    +1
    “Great dog you go, special forces of the kakloarmii.” It’s good for you to disguise yourself at a depth of 2 metri-forever!
  46. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 14 November 2014 16: 43
    0
    Among the Ukrainian punishers and executioners there is no special forces.
    Special forces do not fight with civilians, with children and women.

    Do not call the Sonderkommando ukrofashistskikh punishers special forces.