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French Defense Ministry: Mistral helicopter carrier will be handed over to Russia in the near future

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Mistral will be delivered to the Russian side in the near future, although the exact date of the transfer has not yet been determined, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told 12 in a speech to members of the National Assembly on November 10. Reports about it TASS.

French Defense Ministry: Mistral helicopter carrier will be handed over to Russia in the near future


“The current situation is as follows: the delivery of the helicopter carrier should be carried out in the near future. But, as you know, the shipbuilding corporation DCNS announced that it does not currently have a government export permit. Thus, no delivery date at the present stage is defined. The contract with Rosoborotexport involves the supply of the first ship in the fall of 2014, and the second - in the fall of 2015, ”said the minister.

“The French president has already said that this decision will be made at the right time, and that he will take this decision with due responsibility,” Le Drian said. “This is a really difficult decision.”

“At present, the contract on the first ship is being carried out normally. There is currently no need for any additional initiatives in this area, ”he said.

“I assure you that at the right time France will approach the decision-making and fulfillment of its obligations with full responsibility,” the minister concluded.

As the agency previously reported, the first helicopter carrier should be delivered to Russia on November 14.
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  1. rich
    rich 13 November 2014 14: 20
    +12
    Is the epic "o-la Mistral" finally over?
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 13 November 2014 14: 22
      +4
      The French President has already stated that this decision will be made at the right time, and that he will take this responsibility with due responsibility

      And his point is not iron!
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 13 November 2014 14: 26
        +5
        "French love" was with the United States ... And Russia will talk like a man ... You have disappointed us French ... bully
        1. 73bor
          73bor 13 November 2014 16: 32
          +2
          Looking at how this epic develops, you just want to shit on the French and give up these "superhips"!
        2. 341712
          341712 14 November 2014 13: 22
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          You have disappointed us Frenchmen ...

          Why French? Only Monsieur Hollande and others like him ... wink
      2. wolf7
        wolf7 13 November 2014 14: 40
        +1
        Yes, his tribesmen were already tearing up slowly laughing
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 13 November 2014 23: 51
        0
        Quote: alex-s
        And his point is not iron!


        On November 14, the contract box will expire. The 15th can be sued.
      4. Blondy
        Blondy 14 November 2014 06: 40
        0
        Yes, to hell with him with his point, but the guy from the contractor’s company was fired for inviting him.
    2. Paradoxov
      Paradoxov 13 November 2014 14: 23
      +23
      Everything is just beginning, now Marina Le Pen will take matters into her own hands ... wink
      No wonder her dad flew to Moscow hugger with Glazunov smile
      pen
      1. jjj
        jjj 13 November 2014 15: 18
        +4
        He and Glazunov are old friends since Soviet times
        1. 341712
          341712 14 November 2014 13: 24
          0
          Quote: jjj
          jjj Yesterday, 15: 18 ↑
          He and Glazunov are old friends since Soviet times


          Yes ... And the reason for the visit is iron ...
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 13 November 2014 14: 23
      +6
      The dance of the French around Mistral, like around a ritual bonfire, already filled everyone’s edge.
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 13 November 2014 14: 50
        +2
        The contract with Rosoborotexport provides for the delivery of the first ship Autumn 2014 year and the second - in the fall of 2015, ”the minister said.

        Gentlemen the French! We have winter in two weeks !!!
        Where is our "Vladivostok" .... ???? RIGHT time, it has passed yesterday !!!
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 13 November 2014 14: 25
      +19
      And now we are waiting for a decrease in the financial rating of France from American Bloomberg and others ... And sanctions against French banks.
      1. wolf7
        wolf7 13 November 2014 14: 43
        +1
        Well, it’s sacred for these hyenas (* they don’t turn their tongues into wolves) is holy, if only to take an extra cent.
    5. max702
      max702 13 November 2014 14: 36
      +4
      It looks like "loot" (forfeit) triumphs over "evil" (USA) ...
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2014 15: 03
      +6
      If they pass it, they will tear the fart at the dill on Censor. They were glad a couple of days ago that we could not see the Mistral laughing
      Although I do not exclude that Oland will speak tomorrow and say that the Mistrals will not be transferred. Not the first time already.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 13 November 2014 15: 30
        +2
        Gentlemen the French! We have winter in two weeks !!!
        Where is our "Vladivostok" .... ???? RIGHT time, it has passed yesterday !!!

        Just think: "Vladivostok" came to the summit in Australia in full combat readiness, accompanied by the guards cruiser "Varyag", large landing craft "Marshal Shaposhnikov" ... Kangaroos would be in a panic! laughing
        1. Viktor Kudinov
          Viktor Kudinov 13 November 2014 16: 07
          +3
          Our money means our mistals. Where we decide to send - there and field. But they won’t pass it on - we’ll send France like a fallen woman! yes
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      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 13 November 2014 18: 01
        +1
        It’s bad that if they transmit it, this ship will not be in the Black Sea
    7. gispanec
      gispanec 13 November 2014 16: 24
      +2
      Quote: rich
      Is the epic "o-la Mistral" finally over?

      Yes, there wasn’t any epic ... there was trolling ... right now Rogozin will make fun of Ukrainians and declare that the first Mistral plans to go to the Black Sea Fleet, and not to the Pacific Fleet ... he can also be touched))
    8. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 13 November 2014 19: 29
      0
      Quote: rich
      Is the epic "o-la Mistral" finally over?

      It’s sad. Many have already hoped for a refund and forfeit. I hope the United States will still sell the French at least temporarily, so that you can pick up the forfeit.
    9. theadenter
      theadenter 13 November 2014 21: 56
      0
      They are already sick of time. Let them give the ship or pay a fine, fines and give our materials. Striking their indecision.
    10. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 November 2014 22: 22
      0
      French Defense Ministry: Mistral helicopter carrier will be handed over to Russia in the near future

      That's it. All the steam went to the whistle. The person before the measures has been saved, and now it is the turn of strict fulfillment of obligations to the Russian Federation. I think the French are now also happy to make the second Mistral with us! good
  2. Mooh
    Mooh 13 November 2014 14: 20
    +17
    Break like a virgin. I will give - I will not give - I will give, but then. Would have decided already.
    1. Fin
      Fin 13 November 2014 14: 25
      +5
      Quote: MooH
      Break like a virgin. I will give - I will not give - I will give, but then. Would have decided already.

      So this is the French! Break is a must.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 13 November 2014 14: 28
      +4
      Break like a virgin.

      France is a decent madame. She's no-no goodbye. Here after - please winked
    3. _my opinion
      _my opinion 13 November 2014 14: 30
      +3
      I believe that it has long been decided that they will give Mistral. And they pretend that they break only for the needs of the Americans.
    4. Velikoruss
      Velikoruss 13 November 2014 15: 11
      +4
      If it breaks, it MUST give wink .
      The whole concert is for the faint of heart. But since the 90s, we have a hardened nervous system. They will squeal, whine and exactly on November 14, blowing off the dust particles, they will give the vessel to our representatives. The capitalist will strangle himself for a penny, but there is not a penny, and the times are now such that your wallet is a better advisor than an overseas uncle. If "Macaque with Banana" gave guarantees of full compensation for all losses of France, then maybe he would have danced something else. In the meantime, from him only admonitions, and in response, many oath promises from Hollande. True, the Frenchman holds crossed fingers behind his back.
    5. Iline
      Iline 13 November 2014 18: 06
      +1
      The French seem to have taken the ostrich's pose.
      Moscow, November 13 - AiF-Moscow.
      The transfer of the Mistral helicopter carrier will not take place on November 14, as previously planned. The French side did not confirm the time and date of the transfer of the ship, according to Rossiyskaya Gazeta.
      Recall that Rosoboronexport received an invitation to transfer the first Mistral to Russia and launch the second on November 14th. The invitation from DCNS Shipbuilding Corporation was never withdrawn. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin also confirmed that the first helicopter carrier will be handed over to the Russian side on this day.
      However, from November 12, the French stopped contacting and giving any comments regarding the upcoming transfer of the helicopter carrier. French Finance Minister Michelle also stated that at present there are no necessary conditions for the transfer of the Mistral helicopter carrier to Russia.
      Note that there have been no official refusals of supplies from France. Russia did not receive notification from France about the transfer, suspension or cancellation of the contract for the supply of the Mistral helicopter carrier.
      Meanwhile, at the end of October, the French Ministry of Defense was determined to fulfill the contract with Russia for the supply of Mistral helicopter carriers.
      With the start of anti-Russian sanctions, there was a fear that France would not fulfill its contractual obligations due to US pressure, which many times spoke out for terminating this contract. The French government, as a condition for fulfilling the contract, put forward a demand to resolve the situation in Ukraine and adhere to the Minsk agreements. French President Francois Hollande said he would make a final decision on the delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia in November.
      The contract for the supply of two Mistrals between France and Russia was concluded in 2011. The contract value amounted to 1,2 billion euros.
      The State Duma proposed to demand a penalty if the Mistrals are not delivered on time according to the contract.
  3. IAlex
    IAlex 13 November 2014 14: 21
    +4
    What time is it next?
  4. svp67
    svp67 13 November 2014 14: 21
    +3
    Delivery to the Russian side of Mistral will be carried out in the near future, although the specific date of transfer has not yet been determined
    they are there that play "chamomile" ... not seriously.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 13 November 2014 14: 25
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      they are there that play "daisy" ...

      Rather, they are playing Russian Roulette! So you can kill your entire reputation.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 November 2014 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Rather, they are playing Russian Roulette! So you can kill your entire reputation.
        Rather, in the "American", this is when there is one cartridge in the drum, in the Russian one - initially only one empty socket ... this option would be more correct for them.
    2. ochakow703
      ochakow703 13 November 2014 16: 45
      +2
      Nooo, in a "bottle".
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 November 2014 14: 23
    +1
    Already tired of everyone, and ourselves, too. It would be better not to give. Euro is now expensive! laughing
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 13 November 2014 14: 24
    +1
    French Defense Ministry: Mistral helicopter carrier will be handed over to Russia in the near future

    It's a pity. Refusal of delivery for Russia is preferable. hi
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      It's a pity. Refusal of delivery for Russia is preferable.

      No longer. We urgently need a landing ship - for example, in the Baltic, now at least for a year there will be no BDK at all.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 13 November 2014 15: 05
        +1
        No longer. We urgently need a landing ship - for example, in the Baltic, now at least for a year there will be no BDK at all.

        Ala-Mistrala, due to the increase in the height of the helicopter hangar, walks with the slightest excitement. Agree, it would be better if they keep the Mistrals for themselves, and pay a penalty to Russia. In addition, even if the contract is terminated, the Russian Federation still has complete documentation on the ship, such as a "do it yourself" instruction bully
        1. matross
          matross 13 November 2014 15: 37
          -2
          Quote: Wiruz
          better they keep the Mistrals for themselves, and pay a penalty to Russia. In addition, even if the contract is terminated, the Russian Federation retains complete documentation on the ship, such as the "do it yourself" instruction bully

          Or maybe your Kazakhstan will buy? For the Caspian.
          It has been discussed a thousand times - no "do it yourself" will come out, these are inventions of incompetent people. And the great powers do not stand in line for penalties !!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 November 2014 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: Wiruz
          Ala Mistral, due to the increase in the height of the helicopter hangar, walks with the slightest agitation.

          Is it about rolling on waves or deflection / bending of the hull structures?
          If about pitching, then on tests he was hardly in full load. And if the body "breathes" - then yes, it must be returned.
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 13 November 2014 19: 07
          +2
          Quote: Wiruz
          In addition, even with the termination of the contract, the Russian Federation remains full documentation on the ship, type instruction "do it yourself" bully

          that's just WHERE ??? dear, squeeze the Nikolaev region from Ukraine or at your own expense build a plant of the ChSZ type, then you will perform ...
          We got it, we can all ... But only where and by whom (tell you the average age of a worker in shipyards in the Russian Federation) ???
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 13 November 2014 19: 22
            0
            Quote: PSih2097
            that's just WHERE ??? dear, squeeze the Nikolaev region from Ukraine or at your own expense build a plant of the ChSZ type, then you will perform ...

            I apologize wildly, but you don't know where the Mistral's stern was built? So I'll tell you - in St. Petersburg. And then they were towed to France and docked with the local bow.

            Another thing is that the Baltic Plant is now building as many as 3 nuclear icebreakers ...

            And in Nikolaev now only potbelly stoves can be cooked. The factory has died. Only Kerch remained at the World Cup - by the way, there you can also build large ships and ships.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 14 November 2014 14: 23
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Another thing is that the Baltic Plant is now building as many as 3 nuclear icebreakers ...

              it’s about this that I’m saying that there’s nowhere, everything is full of orders for 10 YEARS ...
              ChSZ has not finally died yet, it can be restored and not at very expensive ...
              1. mike_z
                mike_z 14 November 2014 14: 36
                0
                But is ChSZ not in Nikolaev? Or am I confusing something?
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  7. drDriver
    drDriver 13 November 2014 14: 24
    -1
    Glory to Russia!
  8. alex-cn
    alex-cn 13 November 2014 14: 25
    +4
    In fact, the statement of Mr. Minister does not contain any specifics, so it’s too early to rejoice ...
  9. Wiruz
    Wiruz 13 November 2014 14: 25
    0
    And they just realized that the ships, which even with the slightest disturbance of the sea "go shaking", no one will buy them hi
  10. sever.56
    sever.56 13 November 2014 14: 27
    +1
    Perhaps they realized that it is better to give the Mistral back than to pay a forfeit in the amount of 3 to 10 billion? The money is very solid, even for France!
  11. Bronik
    Bronik 13 November 2014 14: 27
    +2
    I would bet 500 rubles, which will put Mistral. Where do bets take?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 13 November 2014 14: 29
      +5
      I would bet 500 rubles, which will put Mistral. Where do bets take?

      You can put it on my phone laughing
  12. Good cat
    Good cat 13 November 2014 14: 28
    +1
    "At the right time, the necessary minute will appear and we will take this most important decision at this crucial moment, so fundamental and significant for us." Grandmothers chase guardians!
  13. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 13 November 2014 14: 30
    0
    Quote: IAlex
    What time is it next?

    Have fun! The theory of relativity from Zhvanetsky works!
  14. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 13 November 2014 14: 30
    +1
    "It will be determined in the near future." It seems that the problem is being solved. But the question is, what is understood in the near future? If it is clear in minutes, but if in days, months, years. Conclusion, the French are not reliable, dependent partners and whether it is worth dealing with such in the future. Of course, at the top it is more visible, but from below, in a philistine, it is not worth it, but well, them ...
  15. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 13 November 2014 14: 31
    +2
    I'll say carefully! Well, what are these mistrals for us? Although, I understand. So far, we can't build them ourselves. The shipyards are loaded above the roof. But we will build. Today the question (positively) about strengthening and modernization of "Zvezdochka" was being worked out. It seems that they are going to build shipyards for the construction of tankers in 350 thousand tons (!) And the military direction.
    1. Eggor
      Eggor 13 November 2014 14: 50
      +2
      Quote: TECHNAR
      Today the question was worked out (positively) about strengthening and modernizing "Zvezdochka". It seems that they are going to build shipyards for the construction of tankers in 350 thousand tons (!) And the military direction.

      Already under construction:
      In Vladivostok today they discussed the creation of a shipbuilding complex on the basis of the Zvezda plant. The meeting was chaired by Russian President Vladimir Putin. The first stage of the complex should be commissioned this year, and they want to complete the entire project by 2020. As a result, Zvezda will produce a wide variety of ships - from tankers and gas carriers to special reconnaissance ships.
      (...)
      The shipbuilding cluster in the Far East, he said, should become a large production center that will produce and service ships of different classes - primarily for our domestic market. "There is such a request from the domestic buyer. This means that new shipbuilding capacities will be in demand," the president is sure.
      (...)
      The President recalled that a shipyard is being built from scratch in Bolshoy Kamen (Far East). Its first stage is scheduled for completion in 2016. Previously, there was no full cycle of creating ships here. "Therefore, new production competencies and trained personnel are needed," the president emphasized. Vesti.ru
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    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2014 14: 54
      +5
      Quote: TECHNAR
      I'll tell you carefully! Well, what for do these Mistrals to us?

      It has already been written:
      - Design bureaus receive a base for the development of domestic projects of a new class of ships for us. Moreover, the base is "live", not paper - with operating experience and comments.
      - The navy receives a ship to practice a new over-the-horizon landing tactics for us, plus a large ferry for the Syrian Express with the ability to transport assembled helicopters.
  16. 538246
    538246 13 November 2014 14: 36
    0
    It’s not for nothing that the French cabaret is the best in the world. Wait for the second part of the Marleson Ballet.
  17. Valdemar888
    Valdemar888 13 November 2014 14: 36
    +1
    But where are you going to get to ... You know how to count money)
  18. donavi49
    donavi49 13 November 2014 14: 38
    +10
    Tomorrow in the 10-15 ceremony, the banners have already been printed, and the good will not disappear. According to rumors without the media and VIPs.
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    2. Eggor
      Eggor 13 November 2014 15: 00
      +3
      The French side, two days before the expected date of the transfer of the first Mistral-class landing helicopter carrier to Russia, Vladivostok does not get in touch, a high-ranking source in the system of military-technical cooperation told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

      "They are silent, do not make contact. They should have sent it on the 14th, but now there is silence," the agency's interlocutor said. Thus, according to the interlocutor, the transfer process is "suspended in the air", the Russian side is waiting for a decision.

      Invitation to the event in full (taken from AirbaseRu, clickable):
  19. Bronik
    Bronik 13 November 2014 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    I would bet 500 rubles, which will put Mistral. Where do bets take?

    You can put it on my phone laughing

    Welcome. In case of non-delivery of Mistral by the end of December, wait for the transfer. Is the phone number old?
  20. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 13 November 2014 14: 46
    +3
    Not a plus to the article, and not a minus. Just TTX. A machine guns there, most!
    1. Tjeck
      Tjeck 13 November 2014 15: 10
      0
      couldn’t they put a pair of ak-630 on such a carcass, for what purpose are there machine guns?
      1. Eggor
        Eggor 13 November 2014 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: Tjeck
        AK-630 could not put something

        Differences between the French and Russian versions in armament (possibly outdated):

        1. TECHNOLOGY
          TECHNOLOGY 13 November 2014 15: 52
          -1
          a couple of ak-630 couldn’t put on such a carcass or something, for which there are machine guns Weapons will be ours. I hope that such stupidity as machine guns will not be delivered permanently. Marines for this.
          1. Manul
            Manul 13 November 2014 20: 55
            0
            Quote: TECHNAR
            Weapons will be ours. I hope that such stupidity as machine guns will not be delivered permanently. Marines for this.

            A stationary machine gun is always needed. Once a year and a stick fires. Or do you want to make UDC vulnerable to ordinary Somali pirates ???
          2. Manul
            Manul 13 November 2014 21: 59
            0
            Quote: TECHNAR
            TEHNAR (3) Today, 15:52 ↑
            they couldn’t put a pair of AK-630 on such a carcass for what, for which there are machine guns. Weapons will be ours. I hope such stupidity as machine guns will not be stationary. The marines are for this.

            The minus was mine. I justified it. If you do not agree with my argument, I would like to hear a response argument. If the minus is not yours hi , then I ask the one who set - your arguments ???
  21. fly fishing
    fly fishing 13 November 2014 14: 47
    +1
    It remains to correctly put the comma "you cannot refuse to transfer" what
  22. news
    news 13 November 2014 14: 48
    -2
    frankly speaking. we don’t need this mistral full of spyware about American bugs) it would be better if they gave a forfeit. money is much better to make this way. and we have all the resources to build at least 6 mistrals on this money wassat
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 November 2014 20: 31
      +2
      Quote: news
      frankly speaking. we don’t need this mistral full of spyware about American bugs)

      Have you been offered it? I heard Mistral ordered for the Russian Navy.
      1. Manul
        Manul 13 November 2014 22: 28
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Have you been offered it? I heard Mistral ordered for the Russian Navy.

        And don’t say. So many military experts have appeared that we don’t even understand where to go. Can I create VO-2 as a second league? I’m ready to go there and educate young specialists. Competition is a great thing!
  23. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 13 November 2014 14: 49
    0
    Heh, as if we don’t need it anymore?) We would have money))
  24. Lyton
    Lyton 13 November 2014 14: 50
    0
    And where else should they put it, we’ve already made a pier for it, if we don’t give amers a good shout from overseas, they would have bought it and bought it, anyway they print the greens themselves, they don’t have any pennies, they don’t have enough loved ones for themselves, that only to Russia, oh we can really come in handy.
  25. Balamyt
    Balamyt 13 November 2014 14: 50
    0
    I think it won't end just like that! As soon as they pass it, the nasty things will start right there! What kind of claims are there against Russia ???? Something was said about the Yukos shareholders ...
    Remember the epic from "LEG" ???? In the image and likeness ...
  26. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 13 November 2014 14: 52
    +16
    "Mistral" must be defended with all our might, since we have nothing to replace it with and our own industry, unfortunately, until such a ship picks up ... Give me a Russian large landing ship (in the fleet), capable of landing amphibious assault "from over the horizon" with the help DKA and helicopters, as well as provide air support to the landing? I'm sure you won't. Our BDK, both project 775 and project 1171, are capable of landing personnel and equipment only on the coast, being in danger of being destroyed or damaged.

    And under construction for 8 years (since 2004, they plan to enter the fleet next year), the large landing craft "Ivan Gren" pr. 11771 carries only one Ka-29 airborne combat helicopter, does not have a dock chamber, that is, it is not capable of transporting a submarine and for the landing of the amphibious assault is also forced to be washed ashore.

    The Vladivostok UDC of the Mistral type was built in 2 years (laid down on February 01.02.2012, 15.10.2013, launched on October 8, 52) carries 8 Ka-29K fire support helicopters, 2 Ka-1 transport and combat helicopters and 1996 DKA project CTM NG and will become the first surface ship of the XNUMXst rank, which joined our Navy since XNUMX, after the transfer to the fleet of the TARKR "Peter the Great"
    http://russian-ships.info/boevye/mistral.htm

    Yes, in the Soviet Navy there were similar ships 3 BDK project 1174 "Rhino", which carried 4 Ka-29 and 6 DKA pr.1176 or pr.1785 or 3 on an air cushion pr.1206. (SF- "Mitrofan M_oskalenko"; Pacific Fleet: "Alexander Nikolaev", "Ivan Rogov"), but all of them are currently decommissioned: "Ivan Rogov" in 1995; "Alexander Nikolaev" and "Mitrofan M_oskalenko" in 2006.


    Is our military-industrial complex capable of building a ship similar to the Mistral in 2 years? I'm sure not. The timing of the construction of "Ivan Gren", the displacement of which is 3,5 times less (6000 tons versus 22500 tons at the "Mistral") I indicated above and now for the "Syrian Express" we are forced to repair the ancient large landing craft of the project 1171: the Saratov large landing craft was transferred fleet in 1966, large landing craft "Orsk" in 1968.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2014 15: 04
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Yes, in the Soviet Navy there were similar ships 3 BDK project 1174 "Rhino", which carried 4 Ka-29 and 6 DKA pr.1176 or pr.1785 or 3 on an air cushion pr.1206. (SF- "Mitrofan M_oskalenko"; Pacific Fleet: "Alexander Nikolaev", "Ivan Rogov"), but all of them are currently decommissioned: "Ivan Rogov" in 1995; "Alexander Nikolaev" and "Mitrofan M_oskalenko" in 2006.

      "Rhinos" are a slightly different class. If "Mistral" is a microUDC, then 1174 is a classic DVD / DCD. The difference is like between "Tarawa" and "Whidbey Island".

      "Rhinos" were killed by their own power plant. By the way, even if they had not been written off, they would still have stood idle now - because until 2017 there will be no domestic ship-borne gas turbine engines, and we will not get Nikolaev ones.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 13 November 2014 15: 16
        +6
        All more or less advanced countries of the world are trying to have them as part of their forces: p_indos, small-britters and the French completely abandon landing ships in favor of the UDC, the Chinese are building a series of UDCs of the "Qinchenshan" type, project 071 (already 3 in service), with a displacement 19 tons, 000 paratroopers, 1000 Z-4 helicopters, 8 air-cushion landing ships in the dock, 4 AFVs

        South Koreans- "Dokdo"

        Japanese "Izumo" (this is rather a light aircraft carrier)

        The same South Koreans, having built 2 Makassar UDCs to the Indonesians, with a total displacement of 11 tons, landing capacity: 400 people, 500 tanks, 13 DKA, gave them a license for their construction, and now the Indonesians are building them for the Philippines and Myanmar.

        Recently, even Algeria, clearly not a trendsetter in naval fashion, received an Italian UDC with a total displacement of 9000 tons. The ship's dock chamber provides the basing of three LCM-class tank landing boats (which were built in Algeria by the Navy shipyard according to Fincantieri's drawings). In addition, on davits and sponsons, the Algerian DVKD will carry three LCVP-type small landing craft, one LCP (L) type and two semi-rigid motor boats. A small hangar ("garage") deck can accommodate up to 15 armored vehicles or five T-90SA tanks. The crew of the ship will be 150 people (including the composition of the air group), and the landing capacity is 440 people.
        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/tag/Алжир


        Do we all choose whether we need a UDC or not? Everyone agrees that, of course, they are needed and the second question arises, but can we build them ourselves? And it turns out that no ... The landing forces of our Navy are morally obsolete back in the 80s, and now they are also physically outdated in terms of combat capabilities are now seen not even in the top ten. This imbalance was designed to quickly eliminate the Mistral. BDK pr. 11771 "Ivan Gren" under construction is a "fattened" (full displacement of 4650 tons), redesigned and received a helipad BDK pr. 1171, late 60s-early 70s, also under construction in Kaliningrad, on Baltic Shipyard "Yantar", which was a continuation of the American LST, during the Second World War.
    2. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 13 November 2014 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      landing of amphibious assault "over the horizon" with the help of DKA and helicopters,

      and what's the point of landing from over the horizon if the coast still has to be plowed to the full tactical depth with missile attacks, bombing, etc.
      as I understand it, Mistral will land in km-200 for fear of coastal anti-ship missiles, and support helicopters will be slow, low maneuverable, you can’t hide behind the hill above the sea, a darling target for covering their air defense, and how many guarding ships he will require if one Mediterranean squadron from all fleets they recruited the ship, and the admirals won’t refuse themselves — the entire fleet is on guard, to the detriment of other tasks and goals, maybe frigates will be built for him, but I think the next 10 years there will be no tasks for him in the fleet
      By the way, the French themselves are positioning it as a headquarters, management, hospital no more and only with the possibility of a landing
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 November 2014 19: 29
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        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        and what's the point of landing from over the horizon if the coast still has to be plowed to the full tactical depth with missile attacks, bombing, etc.

        The point is not to expose the ship and landing in it under fire from all types of weapons of the coastal defense of the enemy. Our BDK in the mode of landing unloading is a large fixed target for which it is possible to work even with mortars and anti-tank systems.
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        and as I understand it, Mistral will land in km-200 for fear of coastal anti-ship missiles, and support helicopters will be slow, low-maneuverable, you can’t hide behind the hill above the sea, a tidy target for their covering air defense,

        Classic BDK - the goal is even larger and slower. Which also carries the entire landing in one basket.
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        and how many guard ships he will require

        And how much security do our large landing ships require, on which there is one AK-725 (or 176) and a pair of "blowtorches" (and even then not at all), plus MANPADS?
        By the way, the Mistral will have stronger self-defense weapons.
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 13 November 2014 21: 22
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          The point is not to expose the ship and landing in it under fire from all types of weapons of the coastal defense of the enemy.

          then 4 boats and helicopters are put under fire, the meaning of landing without processing the coast
          Quote: Alexey RA
          By the way, the Mistral will have stronger self-defense weapons.

          while the AK-630 saw cutter is positioned and the same MANPADS in the form of bending
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And how much does our BDK require protection

          I will assume that it’s less, the price is not comparable, and the chances of the entire headquarters and fleet management will be lost
          I am touched by the warriors who prepare him tasks for which experts, experts, admirals do not even think, this is the justification of a political decision, it is already obvious that the Defense Ministry was not ready for such a solution, and then an acquittal tale about technologies related to shipbuilding appeared- riveting a barge is not great wisdom, the Dutch order ships from us, example nuclear icebreakers, a sea lighthouse with tandem propellers in lowered columns, etc., the fleet’s power is kept on work horses (minesweepers, corvettes, frigates, etc. etc.) and the mistral is an elite trotter for window dressing
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 14 November 2014 12: 14
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            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            then 4 boats and helicopters are put under fire, the meaning of landing without processing the coast

            And who told you that there will be no processing of the coast during an overseas landing?
            The point of the over-the-horizon landing is not to expose the "base" assault ship with all the landing force, headquarters and command to all possible enemy fire (you can only get it by aviation and anti-ship missiles). Instead, in the zone of fire of artillery and infantry of the BO, high-speed, maneuverable and small-sized targets operate, besides carrying only part of the landing.

            By the way, when using traditional BDKs, even more thorough processing of the coast is required, because the targets of them are much larger and less maneuverable.
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            while the AK-630 saw cutter is positioned and the same MANPADS in the form of bending

            On the 775s "blowtorches", EMNIP, are available only on the third series. And the bulk goes with the ancient AK-725, developed during the time of dear Nikita Sergeevich. Neither to fight off the anti-ship missile, nor to shoot along the coast.
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            I will assume that it’s less, the price is not comparable, and the chances of the entire headquarters and fleet management will be lost

            And where else to place the headquarters? On a warship? So after that, the ship becomes unworkable - for the headquarters cockroaches occupy all the fighting posts and cabins, evicting the full-fledged military personnel from them and pounding him with the fulfillment of the tasks of ensuring their activities. As a result, the ship either controls the formation or fights.
            The USSR had a pair of old 68-bis for control, modernized to U1 and U2 (they added 4-8 AK-230 and one launcher of the sea "Wasp"). The Yankees have almost unarmed Mount Whitney.
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            the Dutch order ships from us, atomic icebreakers as an example, RTOs sea lions with tandem propellers in lowered columns, etc.

            That is, you do not see the difference between the CWP with lowered columns and the mini-UDC with azipods?
            Once again and slowly - we have no experience in designing and building UDC. All that we have is the freak "Khalzan" and "Ivan Tarava", which never came down to normal projects. To create a completely domestic UDC, our industry requires 7 years. And remembering how smartly our shipbuilding industry moves the deadlines, these 7 years will calmly grow into 10-12.
            Even in Soviet times, after the devastation and the NEP of the 20s, we had to purchase documentation and even systems and mechanisms abroad for all the leading projects of large ships of the fleet (except for the completely domestic LD pr. 1, the head of which was built for more than 7 years). Now - alas, but CD and TD are sold only with ships loaded (however, Vickers also sold us the future T-26). On the other hand, for a design bureau, when developing its project on the basis of existing drawings, the operating experience of a living ship is no less important than a set of documentation.
    3. Gans1234
      Gans1234 14 November 2014 04: 55
      0
      Absolutely.
      In addition, Ivan Gren carries only 1 MOUTH, and Mistral up to 1200 people with equipment
  27. SAM 5
    SAM 5 13 November 2014 15: 00
    +2
    They will give where they go. They do not need these misrali themselves, but well, the penalty is even more so.
  28. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 13 November 2014 15: 02
    +1
    We need a ship, what is it. At least they will not hurt for sure. However, after all this epic, God willing, everything will be completed successfully, to clear the karma of these ships, one bottle of champagne will not be enough.
  29. father nikon
    father nikon 13 November 2014 15: 07
    +2
    All this "give up - not give up" intrigue was originally intended for the Americans. It was definitely clear to us that France would not go anywhere from the fulfillment of the Mistral contract!
  30. Bronik
    Bronik 13 November 2014 15: 15
    0
    to clear the karma of these vessels, one bottle of champagne will not be enough.

    I offer 1 Liter of my crap, if the metal can withstand its "crap", then the ship will be our worthy partner.
  31. fedor13
    fedor13 13 November 2014 15: 18
    +1
    And here he is the crunch of French rolls.
  32. bmv04636
    bmv04636 13 November 2014 15: 23
    +4
    That will be a joke if our military representatives do not accept this ship in view of the identified shortcomings.
  33. Leonidych
    Leonidych 13 November 2014 15: 24
    -1
    yes fuck we need these tin cans ...
  34. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 13 November 2014 16: 00
    +1
    To the glory of the Mistals. And some on the site. wassat am
    1. nvv
      nvv 13 November 2014 16: 06
      0
      For some women, for some landscape. In life, nothing lasts forever.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 13 November 2014 18: 37
      0
      Quote: TECHNAR
      For some women

      yes..beans is an eternal topic.
      Is it for the sake of discharge?
      It would be necessary to take as an example in topics about Ukraine. Bab there is not enough. smile
      1. Dagger583
        Dagger583 13 November 2014 21: 09
        0
        read how
        "For some women, but for some they are already a landscape"
        already dumbfounded
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  36. mamont5
    mamont5 13 November 2014 16: 22
    +1
    "As previously reported by the agency, the first helicopter carrier is to be delivered to Russia on November 14."

    That is, TOMORROW. Otherwise - money for a barrel, and business reputation in a ballot box.
  37. ferdiperdozzz
    ferdiperdozzz 13 November 2014 16: 27
    +1
    How about in the pan :)
  38. HAM
    HAM 13 November 2014 16: 30
    +1
    "D'Artagnans" were transferred to France, only "Olanda" remained.
  39. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 13 November 2014 16: 34
    0
    The French survived to stupidly fulfill the terms of the contract "... - This is really a difficult decision."
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  41. KBR109
    KBR109 13 November 2014 17: 38
    0
    Well, a natural cockerel! No wonder the cock is a symbol of Gaul ...
  42. Cristall
    Cristall 13 November 2014 18: 42
    0
    yeah. Another topic. Now back. But the minister indicated in the article that there would be no special permission.
    In general, as I understand it, you need Hollande to sign and give permission. Until he gives.
    What to do? Option Maidan in Paris so that the NATO base does not appear on the Mistrals and the Russian language is not banned?
    Just kidding
    In fact, it's time to calm down with the articles. Often they are from empty to empty. It would be better for the Russian Federation to form a commission and think about what to do in the worst case (and in the rest)
    And then you can demand compensation and the ship can be, but who will give? I, too, can remember the Ukrainian fleet, but they don’t return it. It’s far from the thoughts of parallels, but the wording is the same for Moscow and for Paris.
    Both precedents happened at the same time.
    And in history there have been cases when shipbuilders did not give ships to the customer. Something I don’t remember to be compensated for by them .. although all the business and the roof are happy.
  43. DPN
    DPN 13 November 2014 21: 42
    0
    So everything is fine, tomorrow Russia will be given this Mistral, chatted a little to the public and okay.
  44. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 13 November 2014 22: 51
    0
    Of course they will give where to get to - not to lose their reputation because of Uncle SAMA.
  45. Dezinto
    Dezinto 14 November 2014 02: 08
    0
    Will they give it again?
  46. Gans1234
    Gans1234 14 November 2014 04: 50
    0
    It was ours to declare that there will definitely be a court, and the Frenchmen were inundated))
  47. Eggor
    Eggor 14 November 2014 07: 08
    0
    Moscow. the 13th of November. INTERFAX.RU - The Russian delegation, which on November 14 was supposed to take part in the ceremony of handing over to Russia the first Mistral helicopter carrier built in France, while it remains in Moscow, a source in one of the structures that deals with military-technical issues told Interfax on Thursday cooperation.

    "Due to the fact that no confirmation has yet been received that the transfer of the ship will take place on November 14, it has been decided not to send a delegation to San Nazaire," the agency's source said.

    He said that the Russian delegation included representatives of the RF Ministry of Defense, Rosoboronexport, the United Shipbuilding Corporation, and a number of other structures.

    "The French side, most likely, will present the current situation as" force majeure "and will use its right to prolong the transfer deadline for three months," the agency's source said.

    He explained that the contract provides for such an opportunity. But the reason for the postponement should be some technical problems associated with the testing and commissioning of the helicopter carrier, and not the political situation.
  48. Eggor
    Eggor 14 November 2014 08: 36
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    MOSCOW, 14 Nov - RIA News. The first assault helicopter carrier of the Mistral type, the Vladivostok ship, according to an invitation sent by the Russian side, should be transferred by France to the Russian Navy on Friday. But there is still no clarity about when the transfer will take place: the Russian delegation has not left for France, and the French side has not withdrawn and did not confirm its invitation, and cannot decide on a new date.
    (...)
    On the eve of “X day”, the journalists of the French weekly Nouvel Observateur found out that Russia had not fabricated the invitation and that the November 14 date really appeared in them - French officials received similar letters. Even a detailed schedule of the ceremony and the scheme of access to the venue have appeared on the Internet.
  49. mike_z
    mike_z 14 November 2014 11: 11
    +1
    It seems that nevertheless they will give ... nerves will spoil and fulfill the terms of the contract. And I really wanted to get money, forget about Serdyukov and build something necessary - a cruiser or a couple of destroyers.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 November 2014 12: 30
      +1
      Quote: mike_z
      And I really wanted to get money, forget about Serdyukov and build something necessary - a cruiser or a couple of destroyers.

      Unfortunately, we do not have a computer toy - the availability of money does not mean the ability to immediately begin the construction of the ship.
      You can build something you need only if you have a project. In our country, EM and CD have not gone beyond sketches and "concepts". KB such monsters breed that you are amazed. A little more - and they will reach the atomic EM of 25-30 kt.
      So even if there is money, domestic EM / KR, God forbid, there will be in 7-8 years. Moreover, the problem is not so much in shipbuilders as in the complex of allies who need to develop and bring to mind mechanisms, electronics and weapons. And it is advisable to do this before the development of the project is completed - so that it doesn’t work out later that the development does not fit into the space allotted to it.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z 14 November 2014 13: 25
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        I know. Although, if you modernize and bind to the modern requirements of EM pr.956, then it is quite possible to meet the deadlines, it seems to me. Although, I may already be mistaken, I withdrew a little from the affairs of the navy.
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  50. Evgeni
    Evgeni 14 November 2014 15: 34
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    Quote: bmv04636
    That will be a joke if our military representatives do not accept this ship in view of the identified shortcomings.

    indicative flogging, so as not to vyzhivatsya "give - not give up"