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"The product 500" or the Soviet "hellish thresher" continues to serve in other countries

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Next year, “Product 500” (military designation ZSU-57-2) will celebrate its 60 anniversary. This machine was used not only in the Soviet army, but also in the air defense units of other countries, Dmitry Lemeshko writes in his article on the agency’s website Messenger of Mordovia.


"The product 500" or the Soviet "hellish thresher" continues to serve in other countries


Despite its venerable age, ZSU-57-2 continues to serve in Syria, where it was spotted in the area of ​​military operations against the radicals of the Islamic State.

“This 57-mm anti-aircraft self-propelled unit was actively used during the years of the Vietnam War, in all the Arab-Israeli wars. She proved herself very well in shooting ground targets during the civil war in Lebanon. The Syrian army used self-propelled guns to fight snipers on the upper floors of Beirut skyscrapers, ”the author writes.

Also for ground targets installation was used during the civil war in Yugoslavia.

Hell Thresher in the Iran-Iraq War

"Special page stories ZSU-57-2 - participation in the Iran-Iraq war, in one of the bloodiest conflicts after the Second World War. The USSR almost simultaneously put these cars in 70-s both to Iran and Iraq, ”Lemeshko notes. ZSU was actively used on all fronts, was used for infantry and armored targets. It was then that the Iranians called her "hellish thresher."

The Iranians are still exploiting self-propelled guns and, apparently, are not in a hurry to part with them. ZSU were seen in the north of Iraq.

ZSU-57-2 in Northern Iraq

Previously, information appeared about the testing of "500 Products" by Donbass militias who decided to reanimate one of the installations and put it into operation.

“So, the product of Omsk gunsmiths can be considered the longest-lived weapon system of this class,” the author sums up.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 12 November 2014 17: 13
    41
    Soviet-eternal.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 November 2014 17: 18
      22
      All this once again proves the quality and high combat capabilities of Soviet weapons.
      1. ifox3000
        ifox3000 12 November 2014 23: 03
        +3
        Quote: Thought Giant
        All this once again proves the quality and high combat capabilities of Soviet weapons.


        However, the West still treats us as "bear taming barbarians"! laughing But this is just a big plus for us !!! Let them come to us with their "democratic ambitions" and we will show them not such BEAUTIFUL things like the ZSU-57-2 !!! soldier am
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    3. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 12 November 2014 17: 23
      +7
      It will be a pity to part with such weapons. It probably makes sense to upgrade. Moral old age, it still comes sooner or later. smile
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 12 November 2014 17: 27
        31
        Of course, a terrible thing!
        1. KOMA
          KOMA 12 November 2014 21: 24
          +2
          Thing! At all!
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        3. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 12 November 2014 23: 49
          +2
          I served in the Caucasus and more than once I saw the power of the ZU-23-2, but what this installation does is generally - TIN!
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 12 November 2014 17: 38
        19
        But what, the installation is quite imagined. The truth for its intended purpose is unlikely to come in handy - it hurts quickly to fly planes, only if on turntables. But as an assault gun, that’s the most, and the caliber is suitable so that any armor, except tanks, is wetted. Yes, and a tank, if planted in a well, can also penetrate, and with a burst of 4 shells from 2 barrels, dynamic protection is unlikely to cope.
        1. Dimka off
          Dimka off 12 November 2014 18: 02
          11
          Revolver

          Yes, if it’s unlikely that a tank will be given a turn in the forehead, it will be able to conduct the battle fully after that. If at all able. Plus, this thing is good to remove DZ and pay off KAZ. Will fall under the tower - jam. Will fall into the caterpillar - it is quite possible to kill. Well, about the side and back of the tank I’ll generally keep quiet laughing
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          2. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 12 November 2014 23: 55
            +1
            Quote: Dimka off
            Will fall into the caterpillar - it is quite possible to kill.

            100% damage!
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 13 November 2014 00: 15
              0
              Quote: GRANATE-19
              Quote: Dimka off
              Will fall into the caterpillar - it is quite possible to kill.

              100% damage!

              Interestingly, Kars will say so. He’s like the main tank expert here.
        2. Strashila
          Strashila 12 November 2014 18: 48
          +4
          It all depends on the experience of calculations and computing equipment.
          1. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 12 November 2014 19: 46
            +3
            The 57-mm gun is generally considered a huge sniper rifle, very accurate, very heaped, in the ASU-57 airborne forces they still remember with a kind word!
            1. Dimka off
              Dimka off 12 November 2014 21: 37
              +1
              78bor1973
              It is not clear why, with the current modernization, this excellent gun is not accepted for service.
              1. doxtop
                doxtop 13 November 2014 12: 52
                0
                The S-60 cannon and guns based on it have been in operation for a very long time. Since the 50s.
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-60
                1. Dimka off
                  Dimka off 13 November 2014 17: 42
                  0
                  I'm talking about modern modernization like AU-220M
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          3. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 12 November 2014 23: 58
            0
            Quote: Strashila
            It all depends on the experience of calculations and computing equipment.

            Combat experience and crew coordination.
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        4. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 12 November 2014 23: 53
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          and with a burst of 4 shells from 2 trunks, dynamic protection is unlikely to cope.

          And all the attachments will completely demolish the tracks, and the tank will become a can with a stick without a sight and rangefinder ...
      3. gunter_laux
        gunter_laux 12 November 2014 17: 53
        +5
        But a dozen or two years in some regions will still serve gloriously! A wonderful machine!
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        2. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 13 November 2014 00: 01
          0
          Quote: gunter_laux
          But a dozen or two years in some regions will still serve gloriously! A wonderful machine!

          In the mountains of the Caucasus it was not enough, and now it will come in handy there and in other places where it is far visible and impassable ...
    4. Stanislav 1978
      Stanislav 1978 12 November 2014 17: 25
      +8
      Quote: figvam
      Soviet-eternal.

      This technique has been almost 60 years old, and is still hammering the enemy.
    5. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 12 November 2014 17: 28
      10
      Nobody could surpass in terms of quality and reliability such masterpieces of Russian weapons as: three-ruler, TT, AK, T-34, IL-2, etc. the list goes on! All the same, there are Russian designers from the fabulous Lefthander, we can do our masterpieces with a hammer and Kuzkin’s mother!
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      2. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 13 November 2014 00: 05
        0
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        All the same, there are Russian designers from the fabulous Lefty

        From the epic Lefty, from the epic ...
        Since if it were fabulous, then your list (although it is much longer) would not exist.
        Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
    6. news
      news 12 November 2014 18: 58
      +3
      Yes, our always the best
    7. Denis fj
      Denis fj 12 November 2014 20: 02
      +5
      fought ZSU-57-2 and in VIETNAM.

      On the tower is written in large letters "For independence and freedom"
  2. nvn_co
    nvn_co 12 November 2014 17: 16
    10
    “So, the product of Omsk gunsmiths can be considered the most long-lived weapons system of this class” This is because People with the right hands and brains did it !!! And now there are computers and all that, but to do "eternal" as it is impossible! At one time, they launched into space with a slide rule. I hope the new developments in the defense industry will be as durable and will carry a long service! Well, to protect us and please the eye.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 12 November 2014 18: 40
      +7
      And now there are computers and all that, but to do "eternal" as it is impossible!

      The philosophy of life has changed! "disposable" rules. At first, they thought only for consumer goods - so that sales would grow, and the principle began to grow into the brain: "So it's old! And you buy - new!" "Why fix it? They are already selling something new!" "Why design durable? Let them buy new!"

      To release "long-lasting" things again, the whole paradigm of thinking must be changed. That is, to look for a way out of the global civilizational deadlock! And we will be happy. may be....
  3. drags33
    drags33 12 November 2014 17: 17
    25
    Good installation !!! Itself does not fly and does not give to others ...
  4. gav6757
    gav6757 12 November 2014 17: 17
    14
    Such a thing the tank stops on the go, even if it does not penetrate the armor. I think in Donbas, for the militia, a product of 500 would not be amiss, it is necessary that our generals joke on bins, vseravno worth dusting somewhere ...
  5. Carlos
    Carlos 12 November 2014 17: 21
    +5
    Fighting fortifications, lightly armored objects, "sweeping" snipers out of high-rise buildings is the most important thing for the militia.
  6. major071
    major071 12 November 2014 17: 21
    29
    The best weapons in the world have always been produced in the USSR. And the service life of the "hellish thresher" confirms this.
  7. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 12 November 2014 17: 24
    14
    Well that's a very good car. We can also recall the use of the 30-mm ZSU M-53/59 "Prague" in Yugoslavia, and by all parties to the conflict, which, due to the lack of air targets, has become one of the most effective means of supporting infantry units.

    It was used in Yugoslavia to support infantry units and ZSU-57-2, 100 units of which were delivered between 1960 and 1961.

    ZSU-57-2 Bosnian Serb Army
    Currently, the ZSU-57-2, as well as the ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", are used for fire support of tank and infantry units of the government army.

    ZSU-57-2 uses an 57-mm projectile from the C-60 gun, which was quite a lot released in the USSR, officers — calculation commanders — were released up to the 2007 of the year, so that they were piled up in warehouses. Penetration of shells BR-281 / BR-281U (angle of meeting 30 °) 90-60 mm of armor at a distance of 500-2000 m .; BR-281 / BR-281U (angle of meeting 0 °) 110-70 mm of armor at the same distance. That is, for the destruction of lightly armored vehicles it will be enough in excess, and even if it doesn’t hit the tank, it won’t seem to jam at least jam the tower or break all the observation devices. It is very possible to use ZSU-57-2 from ambush helicopters, despite the absence of a radar station, a powerful projectile (153 gr. BB) is guaranteed to destroy the target. There may be problems with the chassis, since the old woman was produced on the T-54 chassis, but spare parts with the BTS-2 / BTS-4 tractor can be used.
  8. GRF
    GRF 12 November 2014 17: 25
    12
    From she bmpt ...
    Everything new is well forgotten ...
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 12 November 2014 17: 41
      +5
      I also wanted to say - here it is "Terminator 1" !!!
  9. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 12 November 2014 17: 25
    +1
    So it seems that in Novorossia such a thing was put into operation from the museum!
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 12 November 2014 21: 49
      +2
      There would still be put from other museums ...
  10. Mercenary
    Mercenary 12 November 2014 17: 26
    +5
    For Soviet technology, 60 years is a youthful age. In done for ages!
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    2. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 13 November 2014 00: 11
      0
      Quote: Mercenary
      For Soviet technology, 60 years is a youthful age. In done for ages!

      T-34 is still being prepared and removed from the pedestals, and to the parade on MAY 9, and then again to the pedestal!
  11. Petrucho
    Petrucho 12 November 2014 17: 26
    10
    My dad served on such a thing in Germany. In childhood I liked to listen to stories about it. I especially liked about how it was easy to eat apples. You quietly drive up to the apple tree, a bale with its armor and oops - a full tower of apples. There is no roof! Conveniently. True, he said, getting out of it by something flying is still the task.
  12. Karabas
    Karabas 12 November 2014 17: 34
    +1
    This is the same tank, anti-aircraft gun, mortar, multiplied by the square!
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    2. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 13 November 2014 00: 13
      0
      Quote: Karabas
      This is the same tank, anti-aircraft gun, mortar, multiplied by the square!

      With Russian savvy - raised to the power!
  13. storm wind
    storm wind 12 November 2014 17: 40
    +4
    * Hellish * thresher - just * hellish * lifetime! Able to do and hopefully able!
  14. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 12 November 2014 17: 43
    13
    Let's be realistic, to get now from the ZSU-57-2 into something flying (with the exception of helicopters, but here is a slightly different calico) due to the lack of a radar in the guidance system is possible only in the context "we fired the entire anti-aircraft division at this fool ( flying at extremely low speed, strictly in a straight line and within the reach of guns) - and, finally, one of us was lucky. " No more. The fact is that the speed of modern aviation does not leave time for a reaction if the detection device is "the keen eyes of comrades." Moreover, most likely, they will not even see it at all.

    Well, of course, there are miracles in nature, and supposedly one English "Tornado", during the "Desert Storm" on January 17, 1991, was shot down by a ZSU-57-2 after striking the al-Shaybah airfield.
    Effective destruction of the ZSU-57-2 can only be fired from a stop; shooting "on the move" at air targets was not provided. Plus a low rate of fire, since the 57-mm ZSU cannon is powered from 4-round box magazines, the practical rate of fire is 100-120 rounds per minute per barrel, but the maximum duration of continuous fire is only 40-50 rounds, after which the barrel must be cooled.
    The relative firing efficiency of the ZSU-57-2 was lower than that of the C-60 cannon batteries, since the latter had a PUAZO-6 with SON-9, and later the RPK-1 Vaza radar instrument complex.

    The effectiveness of the use of ZSU-57-2 was higher due to the constant readiness to open fire, self-propelled, the presence of crew armor.
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 12 November 2014 18: 19
      +2
      Strictly speaking, the efficiency could be improved by shells with a radio fuse. In 57mm caliber it was not so difficult to create, but this, of course, no one bothered. The radar, of course, had nowhere to add, but for Karate there was a place to be found.
      In general, the optimum, in my opinion, is 37mm. And the fact that the Yenisey ZSU were hacked was the greatest stupidity.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 12 November 2014 18: 35
        +9
        Igor. At the time the ZSU-23-4 entered service, the Shilka was very much nothing, and even "more than" - but the years passed, and the ZSU was getting old morally. It was getting old, primarily due to the increase in the range of weapons use by all kinds of helicopter planes. It turned out pretty stupid - the ZSU could see the target at a distance of up to 10 km, take it for escort - and wait helplessly until the enemy deigns to fly up to the ridiculous one and a half to two thousand meters. Already in the 80s, no one was going to do such a nonsense, the range of use of massive helicopter ATGMs and NAR went far beyond the reach of 23-mm guns.

        In the USSR, this problem was solved through the development and production of the Tunguska air defense system, a new generation air defense system, with 30-mm cannons and 8 air defense systems.

        And in North Korea they followed the path rejected by the Soviet designers - they installed 30-mm assault rifles and a modified radar on the Shilka (the radar's "plate" became larger and slightly changed its shape). True, for reasons of mass, ammunition transport and the internal layout of a slightly altered turret, it was not possible to put four barrels, it was necessary to limit ourselves to only two machine guns.

        Naturally, the range of destruction of air targets immediately and dramatically increased, from 2 to 4 kilometers (covered area, respectively, - in 4 times), but the density of fire significantly subsided. Compared to Tunguska, two 2А38 (M) automatic machines which are able to release up to 5000 rounds per minute - the North Korean machine is three times more modest, around 1600 rounds per minute on two automatic machines, which raises serious doubts about the ability of the installation to reliably hit targets at extreme ranges.
        1. Strashila
          Strashila 12 November 2014 19: 10
          +1
          That’s why they left Shilki ... in Ukraine, at what distance do dill use aviation and cut them ... ???
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 13 November 2014 09: 38
          0
          Roman, I didn’t write that Shilka was bad. Her entire biography suggests the opposite. And in any case, Shilka was better than M-163 (until 84, when the Volcanoes received sub-caliber shells, so there were no options at all).
          Yenisei was simply better in almost all respects
        3. Dimka off
          Dimka off 13 November 2014 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Novel 1977
          the enemy will not deign to fly over a ridiculous one and a half to two thousand meters.

          In the modern world, machines like Shilka need to be upgraded exclusively as a complex working on ground targets. And it will be very effective. And by air, except on occasion.
    2. Strashila
      Strashila 12 November 2014 19: 01
      +8
      In the 50s, Dad served in the Navy on a boat of the Bolshevik project.
      The combat mission is being performed shooting at an air target ... the hard worker LI-2 pulls a cone ... from the boat in short bursts (a couple of pairs of 25).
      Here the inspector from Moscow itself thought ... now is the era of jet aircraft.
      They seemed to hook the cone to IL-28, they thought the sniff and in the ladies ... they started, of course, the speeds were different ... so they shot at the cone not short, but one continuous for the entire ammunition on the installations (something like about 1000 shots, half of the ammunition of the boat )
      The effect exceeded all expectations, one more circumstance was added to this ... the cone did not reach the entire length of the file.
      The stern shooter of the plane was in shock ... it was eaten taken out of the cockpit after landing ... and from which the whole stern of the aircraft was fed into a fine sieve from fragments.
      All are determined by people who control weapons.
  15. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 12 November 2014 17: 51
    +4
    There would be 20 such self-propelled guns in the Donbass and dill would crawl away from the borders of New Russia. Now NATO has conceived some kind of trick on dill against Russia. For a week now, aggressors have been fueling the situation about the alleged introduction of troops in the Donbass. The more Russia begins to solve its international affairs, the more it is NATO and no one else shouting about the introduction of our troops in the Donbass.
  16. your1970
    your1970 12 November 2014 18: 09
    +5
    Well, let's put it centuries earlier, not only we - weapons are a rather slowly aging thing. Out of the box - 7,62x54, М1911, Р08, MI-6, MI-2, battleships amerovskie all, m-98, barges "Sedov" and "Kruzenshtern" (they are true conditionally along the line of arms, but all were built in 1921 and 1925, the Germans could build), d-1 model 1943, d-30, Kalashnikov,
  17. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 12 November 2014 18: 18
    +4
    The machine is good in that: it does not have electronics, is cheap, deadly at direct range and very mobile, and also armored, good qualities to deal with not too sophisticated looters.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 12 November 2014 21: 04
      0
      It will be necessary to create a new project of an armored rapid-firing artillery installation. A worthy heir to this legendary ZSU.
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  18. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 12 November 2014 18: 30
    0
    Absolutely all ratings are adequate. However, 4-barrel shilka for infantry and armored vehicles, against drones, are optimal. Silk has a significant drawback - narrow caterpillars! They drown in swamps., They stand in columns in chains in the mud. Put on the armature and prices will not be direct everywhere!
  19. Samarin
    Samarin 12 November 2014 18: 32
    +2
    Quote: Novel 1977
    officers — commanders of accounts — were released until 2007, so that they were inundated in warehouses.

    Bah, the officers "- the commanders of the crews" - are stacked in the warehouses ...
  20. Massik
    Massik 12 November 2014 18: 35
    +1
    Erzatz on the ground. The shed is high, there is almost no armor as such, and the capacity of the stores is small. One plus caliber guns striking everything before MBT confidently.
    1. Massik
      Massik 12 November 2014 19: 36
      +2
      Damn minusers))) I’m absolutely all the same for the rating, at least up to the min.
  21. tol100v
    tol100v 12 November 2014 18: 47
    +3
    Shantai Arba!
  22. SveTok
    SveTok 12 November 2014 19: 15
    0
    Good machine, works great.
  23. Demetry
    Demetry 12 November 2014 19: 16
    +5
    Probably the most original application. The main caliber on the new Cuban (cruiser) armed La Habana missile refrigerator. Stands on the nose.
    1. Samarin
      Samarin 13 November 2014 15: 17
      0
      A wart grows on your "nose".
  24. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 12 November 2014 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: Ivan 63
    The machine is good in that: it does not have electronics, is cheap, deadly at direct range and very mobile, and also armored, good qualities to deal with not too sophisticated looters.
    with booking a tower - sadness, sadness
  25. Megatron
    Megatron 12 November 2014 20: 05
    +5
    The militia rebuilt the museum exhibit - an anti-aircraft self-propelled gun (ZSU-57-2, or object 500). Preliminary information was received that the militias were able to restore the stored museum exhibits, Object 500, a self-propelled anti-aircraft installation. Its release was suspended due to increased speeds of jet aircraft. But now, in view of its application to ground-based objects, object 500 can be called a killer of all living things. There are no more powerful means of destruction of fortifications. The closest facility in power 199, is significantly inferior in terms of the destructive action of the volley, as well as the facility GRAU 2A-6 Shilka. Fascists can’t hide anywhere, object 500 easily breaks through thick concrete walls. Now the phrase - to mow Nazi Dill, can gain real meaning. Glory to the Soviet Designers and Repairmen of Donbass!


    Judging by the open data, they are still stored in the warehouses of our vast country.
    It is necessary to put Assad and the militia in equal parts, let the reptiles beat, what should they dust themselves with?
    1. mmrr
      mmrr 13 November 2014 02: 27
      0
      Unfortunately, they are no longer at the storage bases, the last of the year 2005 were removed from storage. Only in the form of monuments. And the contraption is good. Her work is pleasing to the eye.
      1. Dimka off
        Dimka off 13 November 2014 10: 07
        0
        Quote: mmrr
        the last in the year 2005 was removed from storage

        Already cut?
  26. buzer
    buzer 12 November 2014 20: 14
    +3
    Now it can only be used in urban battles, which the Syrians and proved. If the Kurds in Koban had more such combat rarities, then they would have arranged for the IG people in the city not only a hellish thresher, but also a meat grinder and even a horseradish ...
  27. cosmos132
    cosmos132 12 November 2014 20: 44
    0
    Good shell?
  28. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 12 November 2014 21: 02
    +1
    wow so-so. truth moves slowly. and the trunks quickly heat up. And so terrible thing.
  29. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 12 November 2014 21: 41
    +2
    scary thing-and shoots closely
  30. tanker95
    tanker95 12 November 2014 21: 49
    +1
    great thresher
  31. Megatron
    Megatron 12 November 2014 21: 55
    +2
    and the trunks quickly heat up.

    Until he has time to overheat, it will already be for all the khan to whom he fell.
  32. Gronsky
    Gronsky 12 November 2014 22: 36
    +3
    As an air defense system, a thing has certainly become outdated, not its time now, but as an assault gun, and even in urban battles, it's just a song. Correctness with terminator was correctly noticed. Here is her element. How wonderful it is to plant dill beters and infantry fighting vehicles out of it (just in the trash, in the dust, the BOSK would fly off in packs), and even the tank wouldn’t think so. And how good it is to drill her walls, smoking a sniper. In general, a car can have a rebirth.
    1. Dimka off
      Dimka off 13 November 2014 10: 12
      0
      Quote: Gronsky
      How wonderful it is to plant dill beters and infantry fighting vehicles out of it (just in the trash, in the dust, the BOSK would fly off in packs), and even the tank wouldn’t think so.

      Recently there was a video of a column of ukrov breaking through somewhere near the airport. The militia worked on them from small arms, well, maybe 700 meters. I don’t know how effective. But if such a thing with modern SLAs and other bells and whistles ... one installation would have taken apart the entire column in minutes.
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 13 November 2014 20: 06
        0
        Quote: Dimka off
        But if such a thing with modern SLAs and other bells and whistles ... one installation would have taken apart the entire column in minutes.

        For the column, it would fit without the LMS with other modern gadgets. The speed of the column is just for this machine. Wonderful little thing. She would have added the rate of fire by making shots from the barrels alternate, rather than simultaneous, then in general the spectacle would be enchanting.
      2. Megatron
        Megatron 14 November 2014 00: 12
        0
        But can I watch the video?
  33. drDriver
    drDriver 12 November 2014 23: 16
    +1
    It’s interesting if she puts a turn on the WWII tank?
  34. qwert
    qwert 13 November 2014 09: 29
    0
    Less in the absence of radar. But no interference is terrible. The not very large angular guidance speed is compensated by the large firing range. When aiming at a target remote at 5km, the speed of guidance is two times lower than at a target at a distance of 2 km. Given the good effectiveness of the ZU-23, which they showed in Yugoslavia and other conflicts, it can be argued that the ZSU-57-2, if used correctly, can overwhelm both the AN-64 and F-18. Although naturally Tunguska is an order of magnitude more efficient. But having worked from an ambush, the ZSU-shka will be able to destroy the Bradley and Stryker column.
    1. Dimka off
      Dimka off 13 November 2014 10: 18
      0
      Quote: qwert
      But having worked from an ambush, the ZSU-shka will be able to destroy the Bradley and Stryker column.

      If you use an ambush of the "hammer and anvil" type or an Afghan ambush using installations with a caliber of 57 mm, then not only the BMP and armored personnel carrier convoy will be destroyed, but the tank one too.
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 November 2014 11: 49
        +1
        amicably concluded:
        1) for infantry, the thing is not very effective - barrels are heated, shops are small, low rate of fire
        2) for air targets is not effective - lack of radar, barrels are heated, shops are small, rate of fire is low
        3) tanks and infantry fighting vehicles - tanks will cope better with the same goals, while tanks are lower and easier to hide an ambush
        4) shooting on the move - not ice, no stabilization
        5) crew protection - so-so
        6) disguise -.......
        7) a sniper - "drill walls like a terminator" can KPVT from a tank, but why? If a sniper is spotted, it is better than something heavier (152 mm :)), and if not, then it will not save (there is no steel cloud that can catch small target)
        8) no crew training
        9) the main thing is that they are no longer in stock
        Bottom line - only possible to use as ersatz armament in conditions of limited capabilities.
        She died, she died .....
  35. Vladimir T
    Vladimir T 21 March 2019 16: 16
    0
    Yes, the Union was power!