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Russia is ready for any developments concerning the Mistral

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Russia is ready for any options for developing the situation with the Mistral helicopter carriers, reports TASS with reference to a source in the system of military-technical cooperation.

Russia is ready for any developments concerning the Mistral


“Speaking frankly, Russia is ready for any scenario of the development of the situation around Mistral. If the conditions of the contract are fulfilled, then there can be no complaints, if, on the contrary, they are not fulfilled, then legal claims will follow within the framework of the signed contract ”- said the source.

At the same time, he noted that the French had not yet sent any official notifications on the transfer of the contractual date for the delivery of the ship (November 14). “As far as we know, they have not officially abandoned the 14 number yet,” said the source.

As you know, at the end of October, the head of the French Finance Ministry, Michel Sapin, stated that "the conditions for the transfer of the first Mistral ordered by Russia to Russia have not yet been formed." That is, according to Paris, Moscow does not comply with the Minsk agreements aimed at resolving the situation in Ukraine.

Earlier, another source of the agency reported that France could with impunity postpone the transfer of "Mistral" on the month 3 (this is provided by the contract). In case of violation of this deadline, Russia will begin the procedure for charging a large penalty from the French side.

It was also reported that Paris cannot transfer ships to third parties, since they have Russian equipment - “cable tracks with a communication management system”. According to the source, in order to dismantle the system, “the ship will have to be opened, disassembled”.
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  1. SS68SS
    SS68SS 12 November 2014 11: 28
    +39
    ... the Russian Federation is ready for any options for the development of the situation with helicopter carriers ...

    Here they are trying to arrange the problem for the Russians. Well, they will not give these "misrals" to Russia. Well, MI FUCKED on them with their whims. Then they will have to disassemble these troughs in order to return the Russian components and pay us a forfeit ... In any case, we do not "lose money" ... Why raise the fuss? Once again, "lick" overseas owners? .... Tfu .... look disgusting ....
    1. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 12 November 2014 11: 32
      +59
      but the best option is they don’t give up the Mistral.

      1. France unreliable partner, loss of reputation
      2. France - suckers succumbed to US influence
      3. We get rid of completely unnecessary ships.
      4. Money on the spot and + fines
      5. Technologies in your pocket, you can build yourself, load your shipyards with something more necessary.
      1. P-38
        P-38 12 November 2014 11: 34
        +22
        Quote: Silkway0026
        but the best option is they don’t give Mistral

        Absolutely agree! I am changing the "Mistral" that nobody needs for a very specific penalty!
        1. Varyag_1973
          Varyag_1973 12 November 2014 12: 01
          +12
          The question is, are the French going to pay this same forfeit ?! Personally, I get the impression that Hollande, walking on a leash by Obama, is trying to eat a fish and ... more on the text! Not just because he is trying to get them into Canada ?! Another question is that no one needs these troughs n * a * x, given the fact that they were created specifically for Russia! If you make a claim, then the paddlers will have to return the forfeit and return the cables with the equipment, and even cut the feed and give it to the Russian Federation, because it was done in Russia!

          In light of the foregoing, the question is: what will we do if the paddlers and the contract are not fulfilled and the penalty is refused?
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 12 November 2014 12: 56
            +3
            Maybe this is naive, but ...
            I wonder if there are enterprises in Russia where the owner (or co-owner) is French citizens?
            If so, why not pick them up at the expense of the penalty (if the Hollande refuse to pay)? Let Joseph, Rene da Pierre, and sue their government.
            1. Varyag_1973
              Varyag_1973 12 November 2014 13: 05
              0
              For Kahlan Amnell. I believe that there is a lot, the same concern "Total", whose president recently died under very strange circumstances! Plus the Renault concern, and probably a lot of what else!
            2. CARLSON
              CARLSON 12 November 2014 13: 19
              +5
              DANONE, one of the world's largest producers of dairy products, RENO has its own production facility. So we have something to squeeze out of the French if something happens, so we will all be in "yoghurt", on "Logans", "Dasters" and "Sanders" to ride through our own potholes.
              1. ROD VDVshny
                ROD VDVshny 12 November 2014 13: 39
                +3
                Quote: CARLSON
                we will all be in "yogurt", on "Logans", "Dasters" and "Sanders" to ride through our own potholes.

                Will rise production. Renault - for sure. At FRAMOS in Moscow there is no full-cycle production of a car.
                I would let them feel all the bestiality of their policies and behavior in a different way ... stop supplying gas, "conditions also did not work out," I do not like the way the frogs behave. Iiiiiiiiii - until they get better wassat .
                1. Kahlan amnell
                  Kahlan amnell 12 November 2014 13: 43
                  0
                  It is also an option. France is in the EU, so let it be collective responsibility. lol
            3. Aleut65
              Aleut65 12 November 2014 13: 41
              +2
              If you "wring out" their business, in Russia in general, then no one will develop their business .. And in what way will we be better than the French?
          2. Alexander I
            Alexander I 12 November 2014 14: 17
            +1
            feed would be cut off to those who enter into such transactions!
        2. 97110
          97110 12 November 2014 12: 21
          +6
          Quote: P-38
          Absolutely agree! I am changing the "Mistral" that nobody needs for a very specific penalty!

          Keep screaming. The bazaar will laugh. Nobody needs the Mistral in specific circumstances. Except us. Which is also being discussed without much success. And to get a forfeit ... Well, well ... Anyone related to shipping will say that getting 100% demurrage is unrealistic. There will be a long dispute, they will agree to something. So I expect joy only in certain loer circles, where, in any case, they will receive 300 pounds per hour.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 12 November 2014 12: 49
            +3
            Quote: 97110
            related to shipping will say get 100% demurrage





            Quote: 97110
            in certain loer circles, where in any case, 300 pounds per hour will be received.


            Not translated into Russian? Although everyone understood it already ... after the third drinks
            1. Stranger
              Stranger 12 November 2014 14: 22
              +2
              This is, like, British Russian slang. Those who have lived for a long time begin to speak in such a mess without noticing that the public, not connected with the life of Britain, is somewhat lost. For example, the Russian expression "Portable personal computer", which we replace in American with "laptop", in Britain sounds like "laptop" .... Yes, and every day among Russian-speaking people in Britain one can hear "bought on sale at a discount" ... ...
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 12 November 2014 14: 00
            0
            Exactly - only lawyers from both sides will be in chocolate
        3. alekSASHKA-36
          alekSASHKA-36 12 November 2014 12: 33
          +1
          The question is how to get this forfeit? They will again say that the conditions did not work out.
        4. figwam
          figwam 12 November 2014 12: 35
          +8
          I misunderstood! Is there that in the terms of the contract it is written that Moscow must comply with the Minsk agreements?
          1. Varyag_1973
            Varyag_1973 12 November 2014 13: 01
            +5
            For figs. Yeah, and we also have to confess to Kennedy’s murder, involvement in the bombing of skyscrapers on September 11.09.01, XNUMX, and the burden of recognizing Kosovo’s independence! Oh yeah, I almost forgot to return the Kermsku parish (in the sense of Crimea), otherwise there will be a priest!
        5. APES
          APES 12 November 2014 12: 44
          +5
          Quote: P-38
          Absolutely agree!


          I didn’t think what I’ll say or even think about it,
          but looking at this whole circus with the Mistals
          and this fantastic french twine
          I do not freely feel gratitude
          to the notorious former defense minister
          for the pleasure of watching this French comedy ......
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        7. demon1978
          demon1978 12 November 2014 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: P-38
          Absolutely agree! I am changing the "Mistral" that nobody needs for a very specific penalty!

          I apologize for the offtopic:
          Yes, give us these muddy devices, given their cost in rubles, at the current rate ??? !!! request
          For one "reputation" to the French for the whole world we will do, at their own expense yes DESERVED !!!! request

          The North Atlantic Alliance cannot buy the Mistrals from France, since the entire NATO budget for 2014 will not be enough for such an acquisition, a military source in Brussels said.

          And let them, they will be cut into the compartments !!!! yes You give to each MEMBER - on the COMPARTMENT !!!! fellow
          You look, and not so expensive, and each MEMBER-OWN helicopter carrier.
          Cheap and cheerful !!! what
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 12 November 2014 11: 57
        +4
        Quote: Silkway0026
        We get rid of completely unnecessary ships.

        Do not repeat this nonsense.
        We really need the Mistrals. They were ordered (it was planned to build them for the fleet as many as 4 pieces!) To cover the underwater and surface fleets, and to protect them from enemy submarines. We do not have such helicopter carriers now! And the one who with disdain says that we do not need these ships, frankly lying! For Mistral, we have built port infrastructure, built marine helicopters. These ships (a practical smaller analogue of an aircraft carrier) can carry out strike and reconnaissance operations, for example, in Syria.
        Quote: Silkway0026
        Technologies in your pocket, you can build yourself, load your shipyards with something more necessary.

        WHAT technology? Our contract provided for the construction of two Mistrals in France, and two already after us (then we would have been given the technology)!
        1. Varyag_1973
          Varyag_1973 12 November 2014 12: 12
          +9
          For GSh-18. Let me disagree with you. First, the technology was transferred to us, otherwise what parameters did we use to build the stern parts at home! Secondly, the Mistral is, by and large, an amphibious assault ship and its purpose is to cover the landing, and not to destroy surface and submarine forces! He himself will have to be covered by escort ships and submarines, no worse than any aircraft carrier of mattress covers! And now the question: where will we use attack helicopter carriers if our military doctrine does not provide for an attack on the enemy ?! Or do you think that we will send them to land in the US to land ?! So they won’t swim, they will be shot with them at their speed! Against whom can we use them ?! Maximum floating hospital or ship control and communications!
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 12 November 2014 12: 56
            +7
            Quote: Varyag_1973
            Maximum floating hospital or ship control and communications!

            But is this not enough? Hyper-modern hospital with 750 sq.m., can be increased due to the helicopter hangar on a modular basis. Up to 100 l / s of medical staff, of which up to 12 surgeons. The level of the average Eurocity is 40 thousand inhabitants. Command ship, with a huge KP-amphitheater of 900 sq.m., a powerful server, 160 cable computer posts, 6 ADSL networks, satellite communications and a huge info bus. All this allows you to use the Mistral as the main command ship,
            which is superior in this to AB by head and can command not only naval formations (AB, nuclear submarines, AUG) but is also the main command post for the combined arms operation, and for months.

            - Minimal logistic support, a huge step forward in terms of crew comfort, command, and landing,
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            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 12 November 2014 14: 22
              -2
              Quote: Semyon Semyonich
              All this allows you to use the Mistral as the main command ship,


              What a beautiful defenseless target with a set of business travelers ...
          2. matross
            matross 12 November 2014 16: 54
            +3
            Quote: Varyag_1973
            shall we send them to land in the USA? So they won’t swim, they will be shot with them at their speed!

            I don’t want to upset you, but we won’t swim to the USA from the surface. Regardless of speed. In war conditions, of course, we have in mind.
            And pay less attention to military doctrines. This is something like a constitution. If you read Russian, you will find out how many rights you have not exercised and your obligations not fulfilled ...)
            Mistrals are now a matter of prestige. If the frogs have the audacity to throw us with them, and we start dull litigation in international courts ... It will be extremely humiliating. The world will see that Russia can be thrown. And what to do is not clear. To be comforted that "yes it doesn't hurt and I wanted to" yes, it will be worse for them "? Even more humiliating ... Renault-Nissan in Togliatti pinch? It's like a hammer for nuts, in the Kiev style.
            So the issue needs to be addressed somehow. I believe that they are trying to solve ...
            And how to integrate a couple of modern helicopter carriers into our peaceful doctrine - but there would be no more grief! Let's figure it out, pray. Well, I don’t like it - let's try one Indians, and the other the Chinese with the broth))) (pah-pah! I'm joking, kaneshno) wink
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 12 November 2014 18: 04
            +2
            Quote: Varyag_1973
            Firstly, the technology was handed over to us, otherwise according to what parameters we built the feed units at home!

            On their own. To weld from the sheets only the back of the ship, it is DARK not the same as building the whole ship, equipping it and launching it for water trials.
            Quote: Varyag_1973
            "Mistral" is by and large a landing ship and its purpose is to cover the landing, and not to destroy surface and submarine forces! He himself will have to be covered by escort ships and submarines, no worse than any aircraft carrier of mattress covers!

            Dear Varyag, Mistral is not a cow that needs to be grazed and guarded. This is a combat unit with its combat advantages that other ships do not have. In the squadron, ALL cover each other and fight back together. But aviation in the navy has never been and never will be.
            Quote: Varyag_1973
            And now the question is: where will we use attack helicopter carriers if our military doctrine does not provide for an attack on the enemy ?!

            Are you sure that you were told about all the articles of our military doctrine? Are you aware of even secret articles ??
            And besides, I already said, and I will repeat it again. These Mistrals can and should be used to cover the allies of the Russian Federation. In this case, it is Syria, which is threatened by a bunch of villains. And tomorrow, who knows who is next? So will we use our tongues to rattle while others rattle with weapons, remaking the world for themselves?
        2. inkass_98
          inkass_98 12 November 2014 12: 15
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          then they would give us technology

          And the stern was built like on the patterns from the "Potemkin"?
          1. Tu-214R
            Tu-214R 12 November 2014 12: 58
            +3
            They built not according to parameters and patterns, but according to the project. The issued design documentation for the stern (maybe somehow differently all this is called by shipbuilders, but it does not change the essence), it still does not all technology.
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 12 November 2014 18: 10
            +1
            Quote: inkass_98
            And the stern was built like on the patterns from the "Potemkin"?

            That is, in your opinion, "patterns" are new secret technologies ?? laughing
            Ship hulls all over the world are cooked from sheets by electric welding. belay ... damn it, I just gave out a secret technology along the way .. wassat
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        4. Aleksander
          Aleksander 12 November 2014 14: 18
          -2
          Quote: GSH-18
          These ships (a practical smaller analogue of an aircraft carrier) can carry out strike and reconnaissance operations, for example, in Syria.



          And how to protect them themselves in the same Mediterranean Sea in Syria? Who to attack ?! Nonsense..
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 12 November 2014 18: 13
            +2
            Quote: Aleksander
            And how to protect them themselves in the same Mediterranean Sea in Syria? Who to attack ?! Nonsense..

            Right, you are right! And you still have to protect cruisers and destroyers, and even submarines! belay We also do not need them for this! After all, they need to be protected, they are all, including Mistral, such defenseless! belay
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      4. 97110
        97110 12 November 2014 12: 10
        +6
        Quote: Silkway0026
        4. Money on the spot and + fines

        I suspect that you are dreaming. Money is no longer in place - paid Marianne. They already have some equipment and aft parts. And why for the sake of Russia they will demonstrate decency before Russia, if the team is given just the opposite. I suppose that the debate will be long and not particularly productive. The rules of law allow.
        1. maxcor1974
          maxcor1974 12 November 2014 13: 21
          +3
          Yes, but the French, at the signing stage, have a rafal contract with India. And the Hindus pull with his signing, watching the show with the Mistrals. I hope that if the oland nevertheless waved the mattresses, the contract will fly past them like plywood over Paris. hi
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 12 November 2014 18: 19
            +3
            Quote: maxcor1974
            I hope that if the oland nevertheless waved the mattresses, the contract will fly past them like plywood over Paris. hi

            With a landing in Moscow. Our happy Indians will pick up a thread from Sushki good
      5. Cosmos1987
        Cosmos1987 12 November 2014 12: 11
        +6
        1. France unreliable partner, loss of reputation

        ... and then the Indian will think about whether to conclude a contract for the supply of rafals. This is a step towards Mig-35
      6. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 12 November 2014 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: Silkway0026
        5. Technologies in your pocket, you can build yourself, load your shipyards with something more necessary.


        How much to build five-year plans? I could be wrong, but it seems that all the shipyards are loaded to capacity.
      7. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 12 November 2014 13: 33
        +1
        Quote: Silkway0026
        but the best option is they don’t give up the Mistral.

        1. France unreliable partner, loss of reputation
        2. France - suckers succumbed to US influence
        3. We get rid of completely unnecessary ships.
        4. Money on the spot and + fines
        5. Technologies in your pocket, you can build yourself, load your shipyards with something more necessary.


        4. Money will not be refunded.
        5. Civil shipbuilding technologies, we have our own.

        The rest and without loss of a billion Euros was known.
      8. Moore
        Moore 12 November 2014 14: 57
        +1
        And as your option:
        6. Frogs refuse to pay penalties, the case is submitted to international arbitration (where either the friends of the frogs sit, or they themselves), the process lasts a year, two or five, after which there is some half-crooked argument for proving the defendant’s correctness and on its basis the case is being closed.
        What is the argument? Well, let's say force majeure in the form of hostilities. That the court has some kind of irrefutable data, that some BMP of the Russian Federation drove the left track into someone else’s territory.
      9. Gans1234
        Gans1234 13 November 2014 04: 57
        +1
        I do not agree.
        Mistral would be quite useful to us
        Money and fines are a trifle compared to wasting time!
        When you return the money and pay fines and penalties, we lose all right to those. documentation and we can already go to court.
        Otherwise, you can write a lot more minuses for France in case of refusal to transfer the ship. The French drove themselves into a corner, and the outcome can be any in this story. 14 already the day after tomorrow - most likely.
        Most likely, the French will delay delivery for 3 months and transfer the ship with payment of minor fines.
        In any case and in any situation, Oland and France will lose a lot in reputation.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2014 11: 35
      +15
      Quote: SS68SS

      Here they are trying to arrange a problem for the Russians

      So far, Oland created a hemorrhage only for himself.
      1. FACKtoREAL
        FACKtoREAL 12 November 2014 11: 38
        +11
        France and without prostitution (including political) - NONSENS! bully
    3. Oleg NSK
      Oleg NSK 12 November 2014 11: 39
      +6
      ... yes they will give ... they will not go anywhere ... grandmothers
      ... grandmas their religion
      ... and refuse grandmas, they can only ... for even bigger grandmas
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    5. dmitrich
      dmitrich 12 November 2014 12: 21
      +2
      where does the Minsk agreement and contract!
  2. Roman1970
    Roman1970 12 November 2014 11: 28
    +4
    France can delay the transfer of Mistral with impunity for 3 months (this is stipulated by the contract). In case of violation of this period, Russia will begin the procedure for the collection of a large penalty from the French side.
    So what to discuss at the moment? You have to wait 3 months. And then it will be seen whether France is ready to lose money.
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 12 November 2014 11: 43
      +1
      Now you need to hammer the French- NOTHING TO PULL RUBBER
      ONCE NO - SO NO
    2. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 12 November 2014 11: 49
      +5
      February 13 is the day of the Mistral and NATO's sorrow, and on the 23rd we will celebrate as it should be in Kronstadt.
    3. SAM 5
      SAM 5 12 November 2014 13: 08
      0
      Of course, snot will chew for a month.
  3. Wolka
    Wolka 12 November 2014 11: 30
    0
    wait gentlemen, wait ...
    1. bekjan
      bekjan 12 November 2014 11: 37
      +2
      "Bistro" has to do it.
  4. Aleut65
    Aleut65 12 November 2014 11: 30
    +1
    and you want it and it’s pricking and PAPA does not order
  5. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 12 November 2014 11: 30
    +13
    "Moscow does not fulfill the Minsk agreements aimed at resolving the situation in Ukraine"
    What a visionary country is France! Even the Minsk agreement was laid in the terms of the contract!
    1. P-38
      P-38 12 November 2014 11: 36
      +6
      Quote: ALABAY45
      What a visionary country is France! Even the Minsk agreement was laid in the terms of the contract!

      And long before they are signed!
      1. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 12 November 2014 13: 24
        +1
        And long before they are signed!

        And long before the crisis in Ukraine! bully
  6. chromovas
    chromovas 12 November 2014 11: 33
    +1
    "The ship will have to be opened, disassembled."

    Yeah, and let's cut off our stern wassat
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 November 2014 11: 33
    +2
    Well, the paddles, o.odes, supposedly keep us hooked. Yes, throw them under the contract, so that for years on 75 they hiccuped, and could not wake up!
    1. P-38
      P-38 12 November 2014 11: 37
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Well, the paddles, o.odes, supposedly keep us hooked.

      What a hook! Let the penalty pay better!
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 12 November 2014 11: 53
        0
        So I say, JACKS on the hook ...
  8. Loner_53
    Loner_53 12 November 2014 11: 33
    0
    Yes, let them keep it, they’ll return the money to us. But this will not happen. Just a little more and they will run after Russia to take them wink
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2014 11: 34
    +2
    if, on the contrary, they are not fulfilled, then legal claims will follow within the framework of the signed contract

    I think that the necessary documents are ready and waiting in the wings. We have to act very harshly so that others do not have the habit of playing with Russia in "I will not give".
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 14: 06
      0
      Hollande breaks like a freshman student after a disco
  10. Roshchin
    Roshchin 12 November 2014 11: 35
    +1
    One of the possible options for action is to send the French together with their Mistrals and Serdyukov, who joined them, and build their ships at their shipyards.
  11. Vend
    Vend 12 November 2014 11: 35
    -1
    Like it or not, but Russia wins again. EU and US it’s time to get used to it laughing
  12. Kosta153
    Kosta153 12 November 2014 11: 35
    0
    Do we need them? And Serdyukov is a female dog.
  13. sever.56
    sever.56 12 November 2014 11: 37
    0
    How long can you bother with these "Mistrals"! They will give it back within the terms stipulated by the contract - good. They won't give it back - dismantle our equipment and get a penalty. All!
  14. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 12 November 2014 11: 37
    +2
    "the French have not sent any official notifications about the postponement of the contractual delivery date of the ship (November 14)."

    Seeing the country's internal national forces are finally beginning to wake up and resist the external American pressure and the internal occupation policy of the State Department.
    Already too "independent" France looks dependent and it does not paint it .... but the man was fired for "good" anyway .... The United States knows how to take revenge .... and leaves nothing unanswered ....
  15. tlauicol
    tlauicol 12 November 2014 11: 37
    +2
    and imagine: what if they don’t return the money? what will we do declare war on NATO or again endure a slap in the face?

    at one time a small but proud state (a cut is not liked here) just hijacked ships from France, and we all chew snot
  16. Stoler
    Stoler 12 November 2014 11: 39
    0
    This is some kind of erotic story and not a contract wassat
  17. dr.star75
    dr.star75 12 November 2014 11: 41
    0
    They will give. Now the game is in public (sga), so as not to get angry ahead of time. I’m wondering if our crew will sail away and go to their native shores, will they delay NATO? And will it be regarded in this case as an attack on the Russian Navy?
  18. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 12 November 2014 11: 45
    -3
    For me, they don’t need them in figs, pick up babosy and build their own ships of a similar class or others !!!
  19. vodolaz
    vodolaz 12 November 2014 11: 46
    0
    You won’t envy the French: the legs in front of the mattresses have already been spread apart and are delaying the transfer of the ship until the last, but at the same time they understand what they will cost an unfulfilled contract. In addition to money, there is also a serious blow to reputation.
    1. wolf7
      wolf7 12 November 2014 12: 48
      0
      Plus, Hollande’s jet departure from the Champs Elysees and a change of government! Oh, dreams ... or maybe dreams come true ..
  20. erased
    erased 12 November 2014 11: 47
    +2
    The contract was drawn up fuzzy with the filing of a stool. Some points are not spelled out, which is why delaying is possible and not even paying fines. Well, France proved to be an exceptionally decent and gallant partner. I think that other countries will appreciate this, especially India.
  21. UralMan
    UralMan 12 November 2014 11: 47
    0
    KILL THE LADGERS - TURN BACK MONEY.
    Forgot Cossacks 1812
    Oooo look mollusks am
  22. Ober.K
    Ober.K 12 November 2014 11: 47
    +2
    Thanks to its "spinelessness", the French leadership, with the constant instigation of the United States, has driven itself into a corner. One thing saves us, that so far some talk and speculation have only "tarnished the reputation" of France as a business and reliable partner. But if it comes to real non-fulfillment of the terms of the contract, this will be a clear and serious undermining of the reputation of France. Although initially it all looked childish and stupid!
    As the saying goes, "There is an elderberry in the garden, but in Kiev it is uncle ..." wassat
  23. Reader
    Reader 12 November 2014 11: 49
    +2
    Here, in general, everything is simple. If there are no ships, then demand money and a contractual penalty. Failure to fulfill the contract is a very serious thing and must be punished by a large hit on the headstock.
    Well, if we don’t get the money voluntarily, we will arrest the property of France where we reach. Stop already playing games with the paddling pools.
  24. Morfius
    Morfius 12 November 2014 11: 52
    +1
    At first, the ships were handed over on November 1. Now over on November 14th. I believe for three months they will be delayed in any way.
  25. Eggor
    Eggor 12 November 2014 11: 54
    +5
    Everything is very interesting there. From the air base:



    And a couple of photos from 08.11.2014:

  26. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 12 November 2014 11: 56
    +3
    Quote: Silkway0026
    but the best option is they don’t give up the Mistral.

    1. France unreliable partner, loss of reputation
    2. France - suckers succumbed to US influence
    3. We get rid of completely unnecessary ships.
    4. Money on the spot and + fines
    5. Technologies in your pocket, you can build yourself, load your shipyards with something more necessary.

    6. In France, at the shipyards, layoffs and mass protests begin, and there the Immand is not far from impeachment. Frogs are impulsive people, they have more revolutions than we had ...
  27. zero12005
    zero12005 12 November 2014 11: 59
    +3
    Quote: Oleg NSK
    ... and refuse grandmas, they can only ... for even bigger grandmas

    The trick is that the US Justice Department is demanding a $ 10 billion fine from the French BNP Paribas for non-compliance with the sanctions regime against Iran, Cuba and Sudan - in my opinion, the paddling pools stand cancer in the square, and they are pecked at by passers-by! I do not envy Hollande, such friends - for hi and to the museum.
  28. Balamyt
    Balamyt 12 November 2014 12: 00
    +1
    A man said a man did. This is clearly not about France!
    Oh French, French! Caved in completely under the black man, and even licked so deliciously!
    In your DEPENDENT France, I have no more foot!
  29. Ryndabul
    Ryndabul 12 November 2014 12: 10
    +1
    J.O.P. U., J.O.P.U. give ... We ourselves will build the front end and spand it laughing But seriously, the situation in the world is such that the Mistrals will be useful if only to gain time for the construction of their UDKK ...
  30. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 12 November 2014 12: 15
    +1
    Russia, at any outcome, will not lose at least, and the French, with any outcome, will be losses, and there are already image losses now. the French had to quietly put the first trough, build a second and wait for the decrease in international tension arising from the ruin of the non-state ...
    but friends partners are not allowed. the need for these vessels, as I understand it, is controversial - a polemic has been going on for a long time with the participation of real military experts and great Internet experts, where would they be without them. there will be boats - they will fit on the farm, but no - money for a barrel, the return of our components and sail yourself.
  31. lwxx
    lwxx 12 November 2014 12: 15
    +1
    Quote: dr.star75
    They will give. Now the game is in public (sga), so as not to get angry ahead of time. I’m wondering if our crew will sail away and go to their native shores, will they delay NATO? And will it be regarded in this case as an attack on the Russian Navy?

    Until the Andreev flag is hoisted on the ship, this is not the Russian Navy, and in this case it can be considered as piracy.
  32. NEXUS
    NEXUS 12 November 2014 12: 34
    0
    Quote: GSH-18

    Do not repeat this nonsense.
    We really need the Mistrals. They were ordered (it was planned to build them for the fleet as many as 4 pieces!) To cover the underwater and surface fleets, and to protect them from enemy submarines. We do not have such helicopter carriers now! And the one who with disdain says that we do not need these ships, frankly lying! For Mistral, we have built port infrastructure, built marine helicopters. These ships (a practical smaller analogue of an aircraft carrier) can carry out strike and reconnaissance operations, for example, in Syria.

    We don't need Mistrals! And to be precise, they do not "burn" for us ... We need TARKs, nuclear submarines, Leader-class destroyers, corvettes today ... these are the ships that Russia needs in the first place. garbage, which, despite its uselessness, also requires support ships, we do not need, given the political situation and military doctrine, for nothing. And whoever thinks otherwise, can hold hands with the thief Serdyukov and consider that everything around him is stupider.
  33. Siberian
    Siberian 12 November 2014 12: 49
    +1
    But the European Union did not give money to the Outskirts, in order to give us gas, France plays not the last violin there. We will not take our Mistral in protest! Kiev violates the Minsk agreements (confirmed by hamsters from the OSCE and the UN), France, as a member of the EU, does nothing to resolve this problem, let it keep our Mistrals and maintain it in good condition until the situation in the SE is stabilized to a special Shoigu orders (whether to pick up and when). Etc. Full Eurobred. We did not think once before that in France there live genetic ukrobanderovtsy. And they are there ...
  34. Cristall
    Cristall 12 November 2014 13: 17
    0
    An interesting set of article titles about the Mistral.
    They were both detained, and the deadline set, and it changed many times, and the delivery ceremony, the acceptance ceremony ... and again detained ... and now the article of the Russian Federation is ready for anyone ... I'm sure it is not the last. There will be more protests by the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation is going to sue, the Russian Federation is waiting for others in this spirit.
    Well yes --- Paris is trying to get out. On three sides they have it on a large scale.
    But I think it’s easier for him to hold ships than to swap the black lord.
    In general, the issue with the Mistrals for the layman "is not resolved, but all the time" is being considered and postponed "
    But in fact, you always need to prepare for the worst case scenario. And the worst is neither money nor ships. What to do in cases of this scenario?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 14: 13
      0
      revolutionize France
  35. Winged 38
    Winged 38 12 November 2014 14: 43
    +1
    As long as such "figures" are in power, there will be no order in the country.

    And Mistral - but who needs them besides us? Either they will give it to us, or they will stand with them, rust.
  36. lilian
    lilian 12 November 2014 15: 33
    0
    And what could be the "development of events"?
    Ships will be delivered. They will have too many problems if they dare to refuse the terms of the contract.
  37. duchy
    duchy 12 November 2014 16: 25
    0
    Nobody in the world, except us, will understand the laid communications and cables according to our scheme, believe the old techie, "According to the source, in order to dismantle the system," the ship will have to be opened, disassembled. " and to the last rivet. drinks