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Kovpak or UPA?

Kovpak or UPA?

The end of October and the beginning of November are marked for Ukraine by two important historical dates. The first of them is October 28 - the Day of the liberation of Ukraine from Nazi invaders, and the second - November 6, when the Day of the liberation of Kiev is celebrated.

Of course, the course pursued by the current authorities of Ukraine implies forgetting everything that, one way or another, is connected with the Soviet past. But in these significant days there is a desire to analyze the real opinion of Ukrainian society about the events of the Great Patriotic War. Some facts show that the situation in this respect is far from being as simple as some nationalist propagandists would like.

In the country's recent history, after it gained independence, discussions repeatedly erupted over the attitude to the events of the Great Patriotic War. As in all other key issues of the worldview, initially the split line here passed (conditionally) along the Zbruch River. It is over this border that the lands of Western Ukraine begin, where during the Great Patriotic War and the post-war period, the most active activity of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) was. As we know, this nationalist formation actively collaborated with the Nazis during the war and with Western intelligence after it. The UPA continued the guerrilla war and subversive actions against Soviet power in Western Ukraine until the early 1950s.

Thus, since the end of the activities of the UPA until Ukraine gained independence, only 40 years passed. During this time, the memory of those events did not have time to erase, and at the beginning of 1990's in the West of the country, a new upsurge of radical nationalist sentiments was noted. All sorts of dissidents of the Soviet era, the descendants of the UPA fighters, as well as the surviving members of the Bandera underground themselves began to actively demand recognition of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army as a belligerent in World War II. According to their logic, a revision of the entire historical doctrine should follow. This included the rejection of the term "Great Patriotic War" and the rejection of the recognition of the Red Army fighters as liberators. As the final touch of such a rewriting of history, the descendants of old nationalists and collaborators saw the recognition of the Soviet government as “occupational”, and the UPA itself as the only force fighting for the freedom of Ukraine.

But, then, in the dashing 90-e, these plans came up against a serious obstacle - the opinion of the majority of citizens of the country. Unlike the inhabitants of the western regions, the population of the central and south-eastern regions of Ukraine held a completely different point of view on the events of the war years. During the period of the Great Patriotic War, the majority of the male population of these territories fought in parts of the Red Army. In addition, during the German occupation, there was an extremely active partisan movement (we all remember the famous Sidor Kovpak with his 1-partisan division) and the Soviet underground. Collaborationists, of course, also existed, but, unlike in Western Ukraine, here they were a marginal phenomenon. Cooperating with the Germans, countrymen, usually despised, and the partisans actively hunted for such renegades and eliminated them. There were also frequent cases of collaboration between collaborators and the Soviet underground, in order to preserve their own lives. As for the UPA, due to the lack of sympathizers in the central regions of Ukraine (not to mention the Southeast), its activity in these areas was limited to periodic bandit raids on Polesye villages, where Bandera was actively opposed by Soviet partisans.

Thus, the majority of the population of the Center and South-East of Ukraine entered the period of independence, having a very clear idea of ​​the events of the Great Patriotic War. And it was based not only on the texts of Soviet historians, but also on the numerous memories of their own relatives, who in every way approximated the victory of the USSR in the war. Residents of these regions do not have a question: - “Was there a victory?” They happily honor veterans and mark memorable dates associated with the liberation of their own cities and regions.

Citizens who share similar views on the period of the Second World War constituted (and still constitute, but more on that below) the majority of the country's population. However, in 90 - e years, they were busy with much more pressing matters than discourses about history and the controversy with the descendants of collaborators. The economic situation in the country was difficult. People cared about how to ensure their existence.

Meanwhile, while the humanitarian sphere of science was funded by the residual principle (and, therefore, was considered unprofitable and not popular), representatives of Western Ukraine (the former dissidents and descendants of collaborators) began to occupy key posts in relevant ministries and research institutions. This was due primarily to the fact that in the West of the country the industry was much less developed, and therefore there were fewer qualified technical personnel (who at least somehow could be realized in the new labor market). Here are the local "intellectuals" and filed in the humanitarian sphere. There, they came in very handy to the current authorities, who tried in every way to justify the need for an independent (from Russia) Ukrainian state.

The result of this storming of the scientific sphere by people from Galicia was a gradual shift of emphasis in internal Ukrainian discussions about the events of the Great Patriotic War. Time after time, questions about the recognition of the UPA as participants in the war began to be raised in newspaper publications and television programs. As a rule, this topic is not particularly interested readers and viewers. Most of the country's citizens were negative about the activities of the UPA and simply simply did not see the need to get involved in a discussion with the Galician “scientists”, considering them marginalized in the world of historical science.
But subsequent events have shown that ignoring the aggressive attacks of the new “scientific elite” on the current historical concept was fundamentally the wrong strategy.

Having taken root in the offices of state educational institutions, supporters of the rehabilitation of nationalists in the eyes of the public began to write textbooks. At first, amendments to the manuals on the history of Ukraine for students of schools and universities were removed, eliminating from them references to the collaborationist activities of Ukrainian nationalists during the years of the Great Patriotic War. Then began to appear separate sections on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. In them, the UPA appeared to be a self-sufficient belligerent party that fought for the formation of an independent Ukrainian state. At the same time, the crimes committed by the Ukrainian nationalists during the Second World War were stubbornly ignored, or seemed to be something insignificant. So, for example, things were covered with the coverage of events known to historians under the name “Volyn Massacre”, when the UPA fighters and the peasants sympathizing with them began to “solve the Polish question” by means of the genocide of the Polish population. This war crime was highlighted by Ukrainian historians under the neutral name Volyn Tragedy, with motivation indicating that there was a response from the Poles. However, the authors of such an interpretation of events, as a rule, forgot to mention that the Poles, as a result of the events described, died much more than the Ukrainians. In addition, it was UPA who initiated the genocide.

On the crimes committed by Ukrainian nationalist formations after the end of the Second World War, "patriotic" historians chose to be completely silent.

So a positive interpretation of the activities of the UPA is rooted in the pages of textbooks and has become intoxicating the heads of the younger generation of citizens of Ukraine.

We saw the results of this in all the large-scale mass actions of the last few years, which culminated in the tragic “Maidan” for the country.
The invariable attributes of these events were nationalistic flags, portraits of Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych (OUN-UPA leaders), as well as aggressive Russophobic slogans. Contempt for veterans of the Great Patriotic War began to spread among young people at a frightening pace. However, nowhere, except in the same western regions, it has not become the dominant conviction.

As we remember, it was in Lviv 9 on May 2011, a glaring event occurred - a crowd of angry Ukrainian nationalists began to beat people celebrating Victory Day, among whom were women and old people, including veterans. After this incident, a wave of indignation swept across the country. Most citizens condemned the actions of the nationalists. But there were those who spoke in support of this offense. In addition to the inhabitants of western Ukraine, some young residents of the center of the country expressed similar moods. Having formed their own idea of ​​history using new textbooks, they themselves did not notice how they broke away from their roots (after all, their ancestors fought against the Ukrainian nationalists) and became followers of the UPA ideas.

Now many of these people can be seen in the ranks of the "volunteer" nationalist battalions fighting in the east of the country. Some evidence suggests that in cruelty they are not inferior to their ideological predecessors.

But, nevertheless, even in the present conditions, when the heat of Russophobic propaganda is monstrously large, such people do not make up the majority even in the ranks of the warring security forces.

Looking through interviews with the Ukrainian military, one can quite often hear from their mouths the mention of the Great Patriotic War. Moreover, it is not in the Bandera interpretation of its events. Paradoxically, but fighting against people whose symbol is the Ribbon of St. George (symbol of victory in the Great Patriotic War), many of them, nevertheless, consider themselves the heirs of the glory and military traditions of the Red Army.

Probably, this state of affairs is explained by the fact that now in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are a lot of people, aged for 30 (and even for 40), called up from the reserve. They learned history from Soviet books. In addition, this generation remembers veterans of the Second World War at a relatively young age much better and learned their stories very well. Personnel officers of the Ukrainian army were also brought up in Soviet military customs, and therefore, they hold (for the most part) the traditional view of the history of the Great Patriotic War.

It is obvious that all these people are fighting without much enthusiasm. All sorts of initiatives of the ruling regime, aimed at further promoting the glorification of the UPA and blackening the memory of the Red Army fighters, do not add to their morale. And given that the majority of such people in the army, official propaganda has to produce materials aimed specifically at them.

So there are reports of Ukrainian television, in which Vladimir Putin is compared with Hitler, and the militia of the DPR and the LPR - with the fascists. For all the absurdity of such comparisons, on the audience, fairly processed by propaganda, they act almost without fail.
In addition to the media, appealing to the theme of the Second World War, politicians are not shy in their speeches. So, Petro Poroshenko repeatedly in public speeches compared security officials fighting in the Donbass, with the soldiers of the Red Army who liberated Ukraine from the Nazis.

The goal of this propaganda, as we have said, is very clear - to bring to the cause of civil war the masses of the population, brought up on the example of veterans of the Great Patriotic War. So far, she has achieved this goal with varying success.

Why would not appeal the authorities, the majority of the country's male population openly ignores the "wave" of mobilization, one after another. Mostly illiterate and poor rural residents, who simply have nowhere to go from the subpoenas, get into the army. But even they gradually begin to resist “shaving into the soldiers” (we all remember the rallies against mobilization and the burned piles of mobilization prescriptions).

Despite the fact that the current authorities, in interpreting the history of the Second World War, took the position of “sitting on two chairs,” their actions, nevertheless, give a clear understanding of what will be staked in the future. In this respect, the celebration (if you can call it that) on May 9th in Kiev this spring was exemplary. Then, we recall, the Ukrainian authorities canceled all festive events, except for the laying of wreaths at the Eternal Flame. But they turned this event into some kind of farce. Along the entire route of those wishing to lay flowers to citizens, cordons of fighters of the National Guard were displayed. Then it was just formed, and many nationalists from the “Maidan” became its part. This created the impression that those wishing to honor the memory of Soviet soldiers are being escorted by Bandera followers.

The ruling regime adheres to the same line with regard to the celebration of current memorable dates. Shortly before October 28 (Liberation Day of Ukraine, as we remember), the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance turned to the leadership of the local media not to mention the phrase “the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi invaders” in their reports. This term was suggested by the management of the institution to be replaced by another - “the expulsion of the Nazi invaders from Ukraine”. And everything would be fine (after all, the meaning, it seems, is preserved), but ... Employees of the Institute of National Remembrance argued their request with the fact that, with the expulsion of the Nazis, Ukraine was not liberated, but only fell under another occupation. The real liberation of Ukraine occurred, in their opinion, in 1991, the year when it gained independence.

As it is not difficult to notice, this appeal of INPU to the mass media fully reflects the line on continuing to blacken the memory of the victory in the Great Patriotic War.

By the way, I ignored it, the editors of only one channel. This is the Inter channel. In its broadcast the holiday was called as before. Once upon a time, Inter had the glory of a pro-Russian television channel. Probably, his leadership decided, therefore, to improve the ratings, returning part of the previous audience.

On the eve of the Day of the liberation of Kiev, Ukrainian propagandists developed and launched a new video on television. His actions take place at the airport (as in one of the previous social advertisements). The plot is as follows: in the airport terminal, a fighter in the form of a “volunteer” battalion “Kiev-1” awaits registration (close-up patch), having seen him, one of the passengers sitting in the waiting room (elderly man) gets up from his seat and gives the soldier a military salute. The video is accompanied by a voice-over reading the text, like this: “Descendants thank you for defending our land then. We will not shame your memory. ” At the same time, in view of the fact that the old man stands in ordinary civilian clothes and without awards, it is completely incomprehensible who is meant by this image: whether the Soviet veteran, or the surviving fighter of the UPA.

And such doubleness in Ukraine is everywhere. The speeches of politicians and officials about the events of the war years can differ dramatically, depending on what audience they are designed for and on what day they are spoken. In the heads of ordinary citizens this causes confusion. There is a persistent feeling that some citizens will soon stop altogether distinguishing between the belligerents during the Second World War period.

Without a doubt, historical science cannot exist in isolation from social and political realities. But, when the official concept of the story, broadcast to the masses, changes, almost every day for the sake of propaganda needs, it surely leads the people into the arms of schizophrenia.
Summing up the article, I would like to draw a few conclusions.

Firstly: despite the systematic efforts to knock out the memory of the heroic feat of ancestors from the consciousness of Ukrainian citizens, they, for the most part, continue to honor the victory in the Great Patriotic War and give it tremendous importance in their picture of the world.

Secondly: seeing the fortress of memory of the events of the Great Patriotic War in the popular consciousness, the current ruling regime is trying in every possible way to use it for its own purposes. For this stamped various promotional products. Combining it with other Ukrainian propaganda motifs (aimed at the glorification of the UPA), ordinary people form in their minds a bizarre symbiosis of two incompatible ideas. Sooner or later, it will begin to affect their mental health.

And finally, thirdly: the saddest thing that follows from the foregoing is that as a result of the coup d'état in Ukraine and the wave of propaganda that followed, some descendants of the Nazi winners are harassed to kill other descendants of the Nazi winners. At the same time, the majority of the soldiers of the Ukrainian army simply do not give themselves an account of the fact that the real (neo) Nazis stand behind them and force them to go to senseless death. Real Nazis, through the lobby in the government, turned their children into their own kind. And they, alas, are not going to stop.

In these memorable days for Ukraine and its capital, I would like to wish the citizens of the unfortunate country to come to their senses from the propaganda fog and finally draw conclusions from history. Otherwise, it is doomed to repeat itself again and again.
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  1. Serzh73
    Serzh73 12 November 2014 14: 19
    I apologize, killed. Do not put the pros just for the sake of healthy humor.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 November 2014 14: 30
      It is a pity the bulk of the people in Ukraine, they turned into Ivanov, who do not remember kinship.
      1. sv68
        sv68 12 November 2014 15: 16
        a giant of thought, yes, they were never Ivanes, only mykola and Peter, and they don’t remember any relationship, all of a sudden they have to share the inheritance with someone else. They only need a family to milk it, like friends.
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 12 November 2014 16: 17
          There is no need to interpret "Ivan" literally. "Ivan, not remembering kinship" is a mocking expression for a person who has forgotten his history. To my deep regret, this is spreading in Russia too. The Russians referred to a person only by name, to those whom, if they did not despise, then they treated him with disdain. By name and patronymic - to respected people, but only by patronymic - to well-known and very respected! Why for some time now in all our print media people, starting with the president, are addressed only by name? So after all, only in the West it is accepted! Why are we monkeying? Why do we forget our culture? Why do our athletes have their surnames in Latin characters on their clothes, even when they are playing in Russia? Why don't foreign athletes, speaking in Russia, write on their uniforms in Cyrillic?
          1. mirag2
            mirag2 12 November 2014 16: 41
            I remember in the early 80s I read a book about Kovpak.
            I don’t remember what it was called ... Ah !!! I remembered it like "Duma about Kovpak", but I remember exactly who wrote it - Vershigora.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 12 November 2014 20: 43
              Quote: mirag2
              like "Duma about Kovpak"

              "People with a clear conscience." yes Posted by Vershigora. Kovpak intelligence chief. From civilians. A filmmaker from Kiev. Subsequently, a high-ranking intelligence officer.
              "Duma about Kovpak" - film based on this book. yes
          2. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 12 November 2014 19: 18
            Quote: Saratoga833
            "Ivan, not remembering kinship" is a mocking expression for a person who has forgotten his history

            it is the term of the Russian criminal police of the 19th century. thus were called "ivans" - persons from among the then professional criminals who did not want to name their "setting data" in order to be able to use legally issued documents in the future. Considering the development of identification means at that time (well, there was no criminal record with photographs and fingerprints yet) they had such an opportunity, so they called them "Ivans who do not remember their kinship"
      2. gav6757
        gav6757 12 November 2014 17: 41
        Yeah, the people in Ukraine have "beguiled the shores" ... I hope an epiphany will come, how long is it just needed for this ?!
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  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2014 14: 20
    When history turns upside down in the country, and the younger generation is brought up on national fascist patriotism, this country can (and should) already want nothing.
  3. vsdvs
    vsdvs 12 November 2014 14: 22
    Everything is clear, but where is Kovpak?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 15: 18
      In the photo in the title of the article - the far left (with self-roll)
    2. KEX
      KEX 12 November 2014 17: 14
      Well, you give the Old Man ... etozh legendary person .... no offense of course ....
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 12 November 2014 17: 24
        Well comrade probably have not seen the trilogy of Soviet films with the genius Soviet Ukrainian actor Konstantin Stepankov in the title role.
        1. vsdvs
          vsdvs 13 November 2014 13: 17
          "People with a Clear Conscience" is one of my favorite books. Question regarding the title and text of the article.
  4. Serzh73
    Serzh73 12 November 2014 14: 23
    For 20 years, Russia has been trying to bring Ukraine to its knees ...
    But she stubbornly continues to roll in the mud. "In these memorable days for Ukraine and its capital, I would like to wish the citizens of the unfortunate country to come to their senses from the propaganda fog and finally draw conclusions from history. Otherwise, it is doomed to repeat itself again and again."
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 15: 19
      I recall Korney Chukovsky - "oh, this is not an easy job - to drag a hippopotamus out of the swamp"
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 12 November 2014 16: 24
      Quote: Serzh73
      For 20 years, Russia has been trying to bring Ukraine to its knees ...

      Why on your knees? They bring to their knees only for the purpose of humiliation! I do not think that Russia seeks only to humiliate Ukraine. Putting it on your feet is a completely different matter!
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 12 November 2014 19: 26
        Quote: Saratoga833
        Why on your knees? They bring to their knees only for the purpose of humiliation!

        first you have to lift a drunk, he is on his knees, and then you lift him to his feet so that he can stand
        Quote: OldWiser
        For 20 years, Russia has been trying to bring Ukraine to its knees ...

        those. Russia is trying to get its drunken "sister" out of a prone position in order to put it on its feet. but the "sister" wants to continue lying around.
        so I don’t see any humiliation in this case.
  5. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 12 November 2014 14: 25
    the townsfolk form in their minds a bizarre symbiosis of two incompatible ideas. Sooner or later, this will begin to affect their mental health.

    Already affecting. This pathology is called "maidan of the brain."
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 17: 26
      and extensive Svidomo
  6. Duke
    Duke 12 November 2014 14: 27
    The memory of the past is one of the main ones for self-awareness.
    ODERVIT 12 November 2014 14: 31
    Yes, they will not come to their senses, it will still be a duty to "sausage", too much has been missed. Moreover, they do not understand (do not want) where they have slipped.
  8. Altona
    Altona 12 November 2014 14: 35
    The city of Lvov ... Young Ukrainian SS cadets go to study in Germany ... For whom, you say, this "warring" side did you fight?
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  9. Altona
    Altona 12 November 2014 14: 45
    Major General Sidor Artemievich Kovpak indulges in life with the villagers in Western Ukraine ...
  10. nikolai.d
    nikolai.d 12 November 2014 15: 05
    Kovpak is needed now in Ukraine.
    1. sv68
      sv68 12 November 2014 15: 19
      nikolai.d - SMERSH and the NKVD are really needed there-to eliminate the gangs.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 17: 27
      like Soviet power
  11. GUKTU
    GUKTU 12 November 2014 15: 09
    Well, we also have great politicians who are not far behind saying that the Bolsheviks deceived everyone ...
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 12 November 2014 17: 13
      This is to make it easier for others to deceive ourselves! what
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 12 November 2014 17: 30
        disguising the essence of capitalist exploitation with a national-patriotic phrase
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  12. terrible
    terrible 12 November 2014 15: 11
    ) when the Germans attacked Ukrainians fled to them and served. ours began to advance towards us. like the grandfather of the "wedding in a robin" cockades changed) they are corrupt. mass surrender and desertion is what dill is famous for in the Second World War !!!!
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 17: 31
      This is about zapadentsev, primordial Little Russians were not traitors
  13. Lukich
    Lukich 12 November 2014 15: 15
    my cousin fought at Kovpak’s brigade. surgeon. was captured at the operating table. miraculously survived in the camp. was released. after the war, he was sent to a camp to denounce a friend. to Norilsk. again miraculously survived. Amnesty released in 54. did not survive to this day. I have no children (but I'm sure they would go finish what grandfather didn’t finish
  14. Lukich
    Lukich 12 November 2014 15: 40
    maybe someone already saw this, but it seems to me from the repetition it will not be worse. all the more so in the subject.

    Apart from our war on neo-fascism, our old men do not remain either. Wherever they can, they are trying to share with the soldiers and partisans of Novorossia their own convincing experience in fighting the plague - whether it is brown, yellowish-blackish ...

    Such is the grandfather, about whom the author with the nickname "Wanderer" told on the pages of "Voice of Sevastopol":

    “The other day I had a chance to talk with one old man, (I don’t give a name, at his request, because the person has relatives in Ukraine). As it turned out, he is a member of the Great Patriotic War, a former partisan. After the war he served some time in western Ukraine , we cleaned the forests of Bandera. His story and formed the basis of this article.
    We met by chance: the grandfather was standing near the bread stand, picking up trifles from a skinny wallet, it was not necessary to even look closely in order to understand from the expression of his face that money was the last and lacked them for bread. Without asking, I bought a loaf of bread for a man, a sweet bun. I give: "This is for you, I see that it is very tight." The facial expression in response is astonished, scared. At first I didn’t want to take, I could not believe a person that there were people left who were ready to help just like that. Then he thanked for a long time: “Thank you, son!”. Word by word - talked. It turned out: the pensioner lives alone, his wife was buried in August, the old woman could not stand her heart when they were shooting close. The only son is somewhere in Kiev, he did not come to the funeral, the old man does not help, there is no connection with him for more than a month: “I cannot call myself, there is no money on the phone, but he does not call. All forgotten for the old man, how to live something? "

    In the course of the conversation, he learned from the person the address, promised to help. The next day, we collected a grocery set with friends, some money, bought a recharge on the phone, and did not forget the chakushka. We came to visit the old man. The expression on her face was again surprised and frightened: he did not wait, did not believe ... When they got the presents, they asked how to help with the housework, thawed, invited him to visit. Here we were a little surprised: despite the age of the owner, that in the yard, in the house - albeit poorly, but the perfect order. We settled down on the veranda and got into a conversation. The conversation, as always, slipped into politics.

    When asked how he relates to the situation in Ukraine, the answer from his grandfather was: “I crushed and crushed these Bander, I didn’t seem to have crushed it, you got it. It’s necessary to suppress them, they won’t let people live. ” And he continued: "And want, lads, will I share their bits?"

    Here is a veteran's story (he wrote from memory, maybe he missed something, but he saved the whole point, I try to keep the original expressions, removed only the mat, which in the veteran’s words, was a lot in relation to some)).
    "I tell you, Bander is a very cowardly creature, and for 70 years its essence has not changed. It can only be crowded by the crowd, and then if the Germans or anyone else will drive it. Or if I am sure that they will not surrender, I mean against unarmed. Still much in love, if he was offended, to recoup someone weak. In a war, it often happened that if you beat a bander somewhere, then expect that in a couple of days they would burn the village somewhere.
  15. Lukich
    Lukich 12 November 2014 15: 43
    They are afraid of direct combat, preferring to shoot from the bushes and to slip away quickly. They are from the time of the Polish gentry, they are afraid to do something directly, in the back - so happily, and in front of their eyes - goodies.

    Still love to pull something that is bad. Moreover, everyone had it: the Russians, the Germans, the Poles, and theirs too. To devour for them - almost the saints of “Vilna Ukraine”, could have a feast, even sitting on the corpses of the newly shot people.

    To the dead, they have a relationship - like dirt: he died, well, to hell with it. To the severely wounded is the same: if you cannot be more useful, then we do not need you anymore, it is easier to finish off.

    They are not afraid of dirty affairs, from which even the inveterate Gauleiter Germans do not fear, they even do it with some kind of perverted pleasure. They are only very afraid of their lords, and then - as long as the man is in front of his eyes, and when no one sees and does not lay it down, they cooked borscht. Yes, smashing and plunging guilt on a neighbor are in their blood, they are also vaccinated from the lords.

    Ukraine means nothing to many, loud slogans are just a way to grab more and more. How they got out of their slaves, so they remained serfs. Picked up "culture" from the Poles that Jews, but did not get out of slavery. The Germans waved their hands on them, they are doing their job, but nature cannot be undone. If there are no lords, they will find them for themselves - Austrians, Poles, Germans, now they have found Americans. Or they will choose someone from their own people, according to their own criteria, and set themselves a pan.
    How to beat them? That is very simple. First, deprive them of their leadership: without a word from above, they quickly turn into a crowd, and then they just have to frighten, run like a flock. They also took them pretty well by deception. There was a case when we were one partisan with a look at a German who looked alike and knew Nemchursky, dressed up by a German officer, a second soldier, we had a trophy car. We drew an order false: they say, to gather all and move forward there. It was terrible: they suddenly felt that ... But no, we arrived in the village, made a rustling sound, like Germans in charge, handed the order to their commander and quickly left. True, as they later learned, I almost didn’t get a puncture, there was an order in German, but they didn’t know the language. But everything went well, one of the villagers knew German and translated it. So they are to us, in the amount of almost company, as pretty, in an ambush flooded.

    Secondly, deprive them of supplies, like the Germans, they do not know how to fight on an empty stomach, they think more about where to grab than about fighting. A couple of days of hunger strike, and then - merge misinformation, that there is something to profit. And to meet, for food they run like rats, forgetting everything.

    Thirdly, play them off against each other, for a good piece, fighting like dogs. Resentment hold for a long time, on occasion, revenge even relatives. So, if they think that they have been offended by their own people, then this is to our advantage. Undermine their confidence in their commanders, after the war, most of the Bandera gave up precisely because they were abandoned by the commanders. Do not trust the commanders - very quickly replenish the ranks of deserters.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 12 November 2014 17: 37
      Grandfather is gold! Our man, but that "under-pressure" is true, Stalin was liberal, and the corn-grower even let us down under the amnesty.
  16. siberalt
    siberalt 12 November 2014 16: 29
    Quote: Serzh73
    I apologize, killed. Do not put the pros just for the sake of healthy humor.

    Witty context. In haste and without a funeral procession laughing Well, everything has time!
  17. natakor1949
    natakor1949 12 November 2014 18: 56
    The article is correct, but the population of Ukraine will not be able to get acquainted with it, they are not interested. But this is the story of this people, they should study it from kindergarten. But such panels as Pharion and others like her at the root destroy everything, therefore Ukrainians have what they have. Hatred destroys, but they do not understand this, but it is a pity.
  18. rus-5819
    rus-5819 12 November 2014 20: 26
    Quote: mirag2
    I remember in the early 80s I read a book about Kovpak.
    I don’t remember what it was called ... Ah !!! I remembered it like "Duma about Kovpak", but I remember exactly who wrote it - Vershigora.

    The book is called "People with a clear conscience."
  19. Waciak
    Waciak 12 November 2014 20: 32
    Quote: Lukich
    „... She still loves, if they offended him, to win back at someone weak ... ..
    ... They are afraid of a direct battle, preferring to shoot from the bushes and quickly fade. Ever since the time of the Polish lords, they are afraid of doing something directly, in the back - so with joy, and in front of our eyes - good guys ...
    …… For them, they could almost feast on the saints of “Vilnius Ukraine”, they could have a feast, even sitting on the corpses of the people who had just been shot ........ ”

    A fascinating story. Those who dealt with the Bandera people about them have the same change also in Poland. Radoslav Sikorsky ground nonsense something about the fact that Vladimir Putin wanted to give Poland to Lviv. I hope that Vladimir Putin will not be so angry in front of the Poles. lol
    We already once lived in the same state with the Banderaites and they chopped many Poles with axes, stabbed with a pitchfork or cut with a saw. In the end, they pointed to Polish documents and thanks to this we went to Canada.
    This surprising but the Polish government keeps silent about the crimes of Banderovsk, pretends not to see the Banderovtsy in Kiev and calls them back to the "common state".
    There is a proverb: an intelligent Pole for harm. Our poet Jan Kokhanovsky wrote several centuries earlier: today a Pole will lead a new wisdom - that it is so stupid to do harm, as it does to harm.
    „Dzisiaj nową mądrość Polak sobie kupi, że tak przed szkodą jak i po szkodzie - głupi.”
  20. rus-5819
    rus-5819 12 November 2014 20: 49
    Quote: gav6757
    Yeah, the people in Ukraine have "beguiled the shores" ... I hope an epiphany will come, how long is it just needed for this ?!

    Nimets say: "You can grave!"
    "Mughals, Mughals!"
    Golden Tamerlane
    Onuki, t_lki naked!
    Nimets say: "Vi slov'yani".
    "Sloviani? Yaki? "
    Great great grandfathers great
    Foul sites!

    T.G. Shevchenko - The Great Ukrainian Kobzar!