Ukraine is going to use against Donbass 203-mm "Peonies"

One of the Ukrainian enterprises of the Rivne region began to restore self-propelled guns 2С7 "Peony", known for its more than impressive caliber - 203 mm. Two "Peony" hit the frame of the news release, which described the repair of 122-mm self-propelled howitzers 2-1 "Gvozdika".

If you believe the official Ukrainian statistics, then as of the end of last year, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had more than 90 self-propelled Peony installations. These self-propelled units are controlled by a crew of 7 people, and are capable of striking high-explosive fragmentation ammunition weighing up to 110 kg at targets located at a distance of 35-40 km. The maximum speed of movement on a flat canvas is about 50 km / h. The self-propelled 203-mm gun is able to overcome moats up to 2,5 m and move in ford conditions no more than 1,2 m deep.

Despite the fact that the number of "Peonies" in the Ukrainian army is large, their use was all the time questionable. The main reason is the actual restrictions on the use of such weapons due to the fact that the Pion can also use nuclear-filled ammunition. One of the main types of such ammunition is a projectile intended for firing from the X-NUMX-mm guns B-203-M (Soviet-made self-propelled wheel howitzer).

During the years of its existence, the Soviet army has never used 2C7. It is believed that the only episode of this weapons became a conflict in South Ossetia. "Russian newspaper" (number from 26 in August 2008 of the year) reported that the Russian military had captured five out of six Georgian Pions, which the Saakashvili army had used in the attack on the RSO.

Comments

[Mayer1980]

here are bastards! I think they will give it to the militia .. of them, I’ll have to hit Kiev in the end !!

[Koloradovatnik]

If dill had this machine, they would use it without hesitation.

[Prapor-527]

Ukraine decided to shoot herself ... Not a bad trunk for a losing country ...

[enot73]

Pulled dill on the prodigy. This is IMHO a sign of imminent defeat. The nemchuru had more abruptly - they lost one hell of a war.

[sandrmur76]

90 pions () is an argument. And the dora didn’t have exact guidance. You can give Paris fluff as an example. Yes, the shell reached the stratosphere, and the accuracy is 0

[rostov-dad]

it’s not weapons that win the war; people win the war.

[Aibolit64]

But people must have weapons. If Natsik use Peony, then it will not seem enough.

[vodolaz]

When I tried to find Mouse in Kubinka, in the tank museum, it didn't work out right away, he hid behind Karl. Of course it was an impressive assembly. And of course I agree: the dill restore the "Peonies", but I'm not at all sure that there is one of them to shoot.

[Duke]

Features
Self-propelled mortar 2C4 "Tulip" is the most powerful mortar in the world. Its caliber is 240 millimeters.
The mortar has a high maneuverability and effectiveness of mines at the target, the ability to overcome the infected areas, high maneuverability.
For firing from a mortar, special preparation of the position before firing is not required. The loading angle of 2B8 is about + 63 °. Mines to the reloading rails are fed automatically from a mechanical warhead located in the chassis body (in two warheads there are 40 high-explosive or 20 active-reactive mines). In addition, loading can be done from the ground using a crane. Horizontal guidance remained manual.
The B-2 diesel engine installed on the 4С59 allows speeds up to 60 km / h on the highway, and up to 30 km / h on dirt roads.
The mortar fires an F-864 high-explosive mine with a mass of 130,7 kg with a burst mass of 32 kg. The fuse GVMZ-7 has settings for instant and delayed action. An F-864 mine with a VF-864 shot has five charges, giving it an initial speed of 158-362 m / s and, accordingly, a range from 800 to 9 650 m. The ignition charge is in the mine stabilizer tube. The rest are placed in ring-shaped cartridges mounted on the tube itself using silk cords. According to Western press reports, active-reactive mines with nuclear charges have also been created for M-240 and 2Б8.

[Val_y]

And "Tulip" and "Peony" IS POWER, I think the militia will soon have (one way or another)

[Korvin1000]

yes "Peonies" are strong stuff. We ought to capture them. Yes, in general, it's time to take Kharkov, there is such a military warehouse with mothballed equipment and B / P = enough for Poland itself.

[sazhka4]

Quote: Prapor-527

Ukraine decided to shoot herself.

Well, here's how to evaluate the pros and cons. Like it or not, one hell, everything is connected with the outskirts. It's funny ..

[Denis fj]

That would be Yatsenyuk in the ass from such a thing to shoot. First shove, and then shoot ...

[Orang]

Quote: denis fj

from Yatsenyuk in the ass from such a thing to shoot. First shove, and then shoot ..

It does not fit. Is Lyashka fit.

[Sergey Vl.]

Why what there! Let Yaytsenyuh in advance develops the object.

[APASUS]

Quote: Denis fj

That would be Yatsenyuk in the ass from such a thing to shoot. First shove, and then shoot ...

This is a very bad joke. Such a tool will bring serious problems in cities such as Lugansk and Donetsk. I don’t think that in modern Ukraine they will find a professional crew for such equipment, so they’ll hit on the heels.

[rostov-dad]

this munhausen will turn out just the opposite.

[papik09]

Quote: Denis fj

That would be Yatsenyuk in the ass from such a thing to shoot. First shove, and then shoot ...

So it will tear him from such a bunch

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: denis fj

That would be Yatsenyuk in the ass from such a thing to shoot. First shove, and then shoot ...

Interestingly, it will fly to Mars?

[just exp]

only at first these peonies are irrigated with the blood of civilians.
Today I learned that a childhood friend, now living in Kiev, became washed, did not see him for about 6 years, and today another friend who maintained contact with him said that he even wanted to go as a volunteer, the funniest thing is that he was Georgian and was born in Moldova.
Ukraine can’t even leave PM, they don’t know how to handle weapons humanly.

[Giant thought]

Peony, this is serious, our special services must already be connected to eliminate these weapons, because they will do such a thing that it will not seem enough.

[just exp]

and how is it more powerful than a 250 kg bomb? and kakly rained a lot of bombs.

[Max otto]

Quote: just EXPL

and how is it more powerful than a 250 kg bomb? and kakly rained a lot of bombs.

There will be many, many troubles. Say what you like, but artillery, as it was the god of war, and remained, even in their clumsy hands. Aviation was cut with "arrows" and "needles" almost at 0, they do not know how to use tanks, and they did not learn, light armored vehicles are almost completely destroyed, with missiles finally can be seams, their infantry is very stupid to attack. The whole trouble that happened in Donbass is from artillery. These are general conclusions. They have already tried to write off artillery many times, but it turns out that this is still the only reliable service.

[enot73]

and how is it more powerful than a 250 kg bomb? and kakly rained a lot of bombs.

Quote: Thought Giant

Peony, this is serious

The point is also serious, but dill did not achieve anything for its use and this is somewhat reassuring. Although, of course, you can break large firewood with Peonies.

[Lopatov]

What kind of firewood? These are guns. Moreover, highly specialized. And having a child’s rate of fire.

[Orang]

It is quite possible to break. Dolby yourself day and night, in all weather conditions, without regard to enemy air defense. There would be shells and good calculations. In this they are even better for dill than aviation. Militias have no means of dealing with such guns. Is it where their Peony will be found.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Orang

Militias have no means of dealing with such guns. Is it where their Peony will be found.

And the "Grad"?

[Orang]

Quote: Spade

And the "Grad"?

It’s true, somehow I didn’t know. that the city also pounding for forty kilometers. For some reason I thought he had 25 kilometers.
But still Peony is a dangerous weapon. Most of the destruction in Novorossia was attributed to barrel artillery.

[Dimka off]

Quote: Orang

that Grad also pounding for forty kilometers

it is modernized. Normal for 20 km.

[Siberian German]

Yes, they fucked up there;

[izGOI]

After Ukrov’s regrets about the absence of nuclear weapons at Ruin, I have no doubt in their ability to use ANY weapon, from a catapult to a chemical one.

[GSH-18]

The main reason is the actual restrictions on the use of such weapons in connection with the fact that the “Peony” can also use ammunition with nuclear filling.

And where does the nuclear filling ?? At xoxlov it is not! For this reason this cannot be.
The main reason here is the same as in the whole Ukrainian army-bоmost military military equipment is inoperative. And now dill in emergency mode on Pindoco money trying to bring it to working condition!

[bif]

Quote: Mayer1980

one of them would hit in Kiev in the end!

".. The only episode of the combat use of the ACS 2S7 was the war in South Ossetia, where the Georgian side of the conflict used a battery of six self-propelled guns 2С7... During the retreat, the Georgian troops hid all six 2S7 self-propelled guns in the Gori region. One of the 5 2S7 self-propelled guns discovered by Russian troops was captured as a trophy, the rest were destroyed "
The criminal Saakashvili used them against the civilian population, now another lover of killing civilians decided to join him and find out "what a tie tastes like"!

[ODERVIT]

But where do they dig it. But what about restrictions on use.

[neri73-r]

and not only, our Peonies for the Urals, if I am not mistaken, were taken out under the contract! Why didn't the outskirts destroy them?

[Mooh]

Ukraine is a non-nuclear country, they can.

[Finches]

Guys, if you do not specify, but now for us, Ukraine, one in one Spain in the 36th ... We are there on the one hand, the enemy on the other! The main thing is that there are no identification marks, there are no other rules! But everyone understands everything perfectly ...

[Lukich]

Quote: Finches

there are no other rules!

all the rules ended on the Maidan

[Afinogen]

Quote: ODERVIT

But where do they dig it.

I think it is the former allies under the Warsaw treaty supply. As I recall, Georgia was so de supplied.

[avt]

Quote: Athenogen

I think it is the former allies under the Warsaw treaty supply.

And when and most importantly, to whom was such artillery supplied ??? For shooting nuclear shells? the legacy of the USSR - for the war The Politburo, consisting of people who actually went through the war, were preparing for good and a lot of other things somewhere else, and "prepares wonderful discoveries" Do you think there are few state caches on the territory of the USSR, and even not unpacked with heavy weapons? By the way, they took Georgians like the Tulips, and one was really smashed.

[Afinogen]

Quote: avt

By the way, they took Georgians like “Tulips”, one was really smashed.

And "Peony" was taken away, here is the video (at 2,44 minutes)

[SHILO]

Quote: Athenogen

And "Peony" was taken away, here is the video (at 2,44 minutes)

Good set!
One is not happy that of the 5s captured - four were expended in consumption and only one as a trophy.
And our military people would be more creative I’d take it all and put it on tank biathlon instead of cardboard mixes!
In! - the sight would be .
The bear would chew on a tie for the second time - with tears in his eyes

[izGOI]

As for the biathlon targets, a good thought! Especially in terms of the disposal of equipment of the former APU. Including all air defense systems. Enough of Tu and Boeing!

[g1v2]

Not one of the Eastern European countries has them, but dill themselves already had 99 of them. On the site, one comrade from dill explained that they were not particularly used due to lack of ammunition for them. At one time, a warehouse with ammunition for them exploded due to a fire before the war, and dill itself does not produce ammunition for them. So ammunition is limited. At least the person from there explained it this way. And it’s enough to scare the Warsaw pact, many of the equipment that dill had in the Warsaw pact wasn’t. Yes, and Eastern Europe can help Ukraine only if it disarms its own forces, as the T72, carnations and infantry fighting vehicles are in service with their ground forces. I doubt that when the Poles wait for the Russians to trample on them, they will begin to disarm their personnel units. And all the former Soviet equipment in eastern Europe is less than the total number in the dill army at the beginning of the year. I repeat, even if they disarm their armies, they will be able to make up for the losses of the ACU at most.

[Alekseev]

Quote: ODERVIT

here are bastards! I think they will give the militia ..

What bastards is for sure!
But it is unknown whether they will give it or not.
The army of Novorossia urgently needs help with counter-battery control: guided ammunition (Krasnopol, Centimeter, Gran, etc.), drones for reconnaissance and illumination of targets, etc.
For the way out of the confrontation in the Donbass remains the only one: only defeat, and the defeat, the military calls for large, unacceptable losses (more than 50%), discourages the fight and becomes a prelude to the collapse of the Banderstad.

[Cristall]

Quote: Alekseev

(Krasnopol, Centimeter, Verge, etc.), drones for reconnaissance and illumination of targets, etc.

Well, yes ... produced only in the Donbass
however, unofficially, the war has been going on for a long time and everyone understands everything.

[Dimka off]

Quote: Alekseev

guided ammunition (Krasnopol, Centimeter, Verge, etc.)

These things are good and tanks click) Not only counter-battery struggle)

[Gray 43]

Crazies, sleepwalkers !!!! For whom are you going to shoot ??? For children and the elderly ??? They can’t get to the militias (or do not want to)

[klavyr]

Crazies, sleepwalkers !!!! For whom are you going to shoot ??? For children and the elderly ??? They can’t get to the militias (or do not want to)

- rather do not want and thereby achieve something

[izGOI]

And for them children are "colorado larvae", if you have not forgotten? It will be a pity not to "poison the seeds of dill."

[Starover_Z]

And again, civilians will suffer ...
Indeed, in most cases, when using weapons of increased power, this happens everywhere ...
Precisely these "peace" negotiations gave only the opportunity for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to regroup and arm themselves!

[Petr1]

Who liked the article?

[Dezinto]

An article is information. Which ones may be like or dislike? INFORMATION conveyed, digested, realized point.

Well, except that the author can be said - thanks for reporting. But the news is certainly bad.

[Petr1]

Quote: DEZINTO

An article is information.

Bad information + bad article = minus article

[Juborg]

Kokhly is already quite at the stage of progressive dementia, amid a pathological fear of the Russians, as a result of chronic alcoholism with complete subordination of consciousness to the star-striped.

[pvv113]

When will these banderlogs calm down? Or are they still waiting for someone to calm them down

[klavyr]

When will these banderlogs calm down? Or are they still waiting for someone to calm them down

-that's exactly, tired of waiting already / "sacred sacrifices" /

[Arkan]

In my opinion, the most lethal of the "bouquet" of flowers ("Carnation", "Hyacinth"). 110 kg of explosives is serious and destructive.

[Saratovets]

yes .. an 8-inch shell is tough! weighs 2 times more than 152 mm, the damage will be severe

[Mooh]

After applying the point-y for civilians, this is no longer important.

[Saratovets]

the point is mainly with cluster munition, but here if it’s a mine ... it’ll blow at home

[colonel manuch]

Ukrainians are once again going to strengthen the ground forces of New Russia. Just sure!

[IAlex]

A tricky move to destroy the entire infrastructure around the cities, tank repair plants and warehouses. If you don’t put analogues to the militias in the near future, then all of Lavrov’s demagogy will not help ...

[Ilotan]

Here they are - the consequences of the Minsk agreements. Let them restore 90 out of 30, even 20 - this is very serious. + Factories in Zhytomyr and Kharkov do not stand idle, restore armored vehicles. Time is lost.

[propolsky]

Really think of shooting at people with such a "flower" ?! Brains need to cope with emotions ... I hope.

[Dezinto]

Whose Brains? Their brains? "think of it"? Hopefully of course you want. Noo

Their brain has moved ...

[Denis fj]

Developed at the Leningrad Kirov Plant. The main designer of the chassis is N. S. Popov, the 203 mm 2A44 gun is G. I. Sergeev. 2C7 "Peony" is designed to suppress the rear, the destruction of critical facilities and nuclear weapons in tactical depths at a distance of up to 47 km. And where will Ukraine get nuclear ammunition? Although just having such a system would force Kiev to put it into practice. It’s good that there’s nothing to shoot. I think they will not help Kiev. Russia has flooded the Donbass with a large number of guns of all calibers. One or two Peonies will not change anything.

[71ss_man]

the use of such tools is possible with a conventional charge but the charge mass is 110 kg

[FACKtoREAL]

War is the process of inflicting maximum damage to the enemy by all available means.
So there’s nothing to be surprised at ...

[zadorin1974]

Yes, enough babbling for the civilian population. There are ceevropeytsy and there are Vostochniki. Plus there is an order to drag Russia into the conflict. There are no civilians, neither the right, nor the guilty. All means are good. But there will be no "scuds" and nuclear bombs, it just won't give a ride. all other "bouquet" will participate as needed.

[SVAROGE]

Oh, I smell, dope ....

[BOB044]

It is necessary as soon as these Peonies fired the first shot. Destroy all the peonies along with the service staff. I hope Russia will help in this matter.

[Crang]

If dill had this machine, they would use it without hesitation.

Have you watched the program "Pun"? Remember there in the tank two such idiots with a twisted mustache? These were the dill:

[Prussian]

There were rumors about the use of "peonies" in Chechnya, directly in Grozny, allegedly a mine goes through a panel house and explodes on the ground floor, the effect is stunning, only the outer walls remain, demoralizing both our own people and the foe. Dudayev then shouted about the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russians.

[just exp]

110 kg doesn’t look like nuclear weapons at all, the bomb is 250 kg heavier and carries explosives more than 2 times, and in Chechnya 500 kg were not uncommon.

[Same lech]

And where will Ukraine get nuclear ammunition?

Any use of such ammunition will lead to the punitive action of RUSSIA against KIEV .... here it is not up to discussions about international law.

But KIEV does not have such ammunition and I hope it will never be.

Consequently, these PIONES will be used for large-scale purposes, and this is usually for the punishers of KIEV in the settlements of Donbass .... I SIMPLY BE AFFECTED BY THE BEHAVIOR OF THE EUROPEAN OSCE IN THEIR EYES ... KRA use more and more powerful weapons against civilians and they seem to be bleached to nothing they see and don’t hear .... DECIDED BATTLES.

[lord]

Why are these obses, UN - whatever they say, they will sing! I don’t understand why Russia is still trying to prove something, to explain ... Even the very last fool and idiot understands that it’s BES-BY-LEZ-BUT! And we all play in diplomacy, in decency we play ... how not to play out!

[Cristall]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Any use of such ammunition will lead to the punitive action of RUSSIA against KIEV .... here it is not up to discussions about international law.

doesn’t this happen informally?
I'm afraid the "punitive operation of the Russian Federation" will fail. Nobody wants to risk that.

[lord]

Quote: propolsky

Really think of shooting at people with such a "flower" ?! Brains need to cope with emotions ... I hope.

Brain? ukropinoids do not have this organ ... instead of brain fat.

[71ss_man]

here are the imperfections they have that they have no brains at all, they themselves cannot let the Germans or someone else be asked to think for them what the consequences of using these "babies will be

[Sasha75]

In the absence of aviation, the army will make massive art. shelling and here is another confirmation that the war in Ukraine is becoming protracted with the methods of waging a positional war, or is it just the future gifts of the New Russia bargaining.

[avia1991]

Damn, the dill urody do not quit! If only we were fucked by them on the sly, high-precision! Well, they don’t understand any human language!

[DPZ]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Any use of such ammunition will lead to the punitive action of RUSSIA against KIEV .... here it is not up to discussions about international law.

I doubt

[avia1991]

Quote: DPZ

I doubt

Alas - you are not alone

[sv68]

imperfections are stupid, everything that only civilians can spoil life! cowards and insignificance cannot understand, sooner or later all their power will collapse and then they will become outcasts to the people if they are not destroyed by then.

[Lopatov]

When cats have nothing to do ... They repair "Peonies". To use them as North Korean-style bogeymen.

Because in a war like the one that was fought in the east of Ukraine, they are simply not applicable.

[Dezinto]

It's scary to imagine ... but if only the Ukrainians "current" still have nuclear weapons?

Donbass would already be a scorched desert. PATRIOTISM of yellow-black color is enough for them! I just saw enough videos about the opinion of Svidomo. is a trader what a hatred! just dumb bestial hatred!

Well, sobsna and Tymoshenko and Farion and Turchinov and Tyagnibok and Yatsenyuk can be remembered. Their hand would not flinch. They would have fired five nuclear missiles at once ....

C. nerds! - SUPER INDEPENDENT!

[avia1991]

Quote: DEZINTO

if only the Ukrainians "current" still left nuclear weapons?

I believe, however, that in such a situation, Russia's participation in the fate of Novorossiya would not be limited to just verbal support. "Monkey with a grenade" is dangerous FOR EVERYONE - and it would simply have to be destroyed like appendicitis.

[Dezinto]

Yes. But unfortunately they are already without nuclear weapons - monkeys with grenades killing the population of their country. It is annoying that Europe with the states in some sort of "WRITTEN" democracy is bringing support to the monkeys with all their might - money, helmets, armor, sights, weapons (and this is no longer a secret if the Polish roofing felts German tanks have already been knocked out)

The country is DANGEROUS, but the states in their diabolical vanity continue to support evil wherever it appears. Only naturally after a week of unrest in Ferguson did military units, rubber bullets, and gas grenades immediately appear. But if Europe and Asia are blazing?!?!?! This is a new market for mattresses, and work. Already two world wars have passed and America has received only cream but not bullets (there were no wars on their land!) And now again Russia must go wild with this hemorrhoid in Europe!

Wherein Russia is to blame for everything ..... as the newly-minted "historians" write now books, slowly equating Stalin with Hitler, so in twenty years we will generally be unequivocal warmongers. ....... We need to do something about it!

[avia1991]

Quote: DEZINTO

What does Russia have to blame for everything?

Well, let’s assume that Russia also has its share of the fault in what happened. The work of the Foreign Ministry, the Foreign Intelligence Service, and any "humanitarian missions" in Ukraine was practically not carried out. Our politicians thought that the dill would never come off the gas hook! They believed that they had bought Ukraine with giblets. Now we get what we get ..
Py sy: it seems that the Ukrainian "zaslantsy" registered themselves, with the aim of minus

[Dezinto]

Well yes. But ... how do you communicate with them? Give them give. You are friends. They just give .. give ... give. Over with Kuch.my. kissed, with Yushchenko and Tymoshenko tried to establish relations (although even then their moods were visible).

Discussions on gas prices lasted for a year! By year !!!! How is it? At what one Ukrainian political scientist voiced an amazing idea, so the ukropolitikans themselves think, she said - "WE AGREE ON THE PRICE FOR A DUTY" ... !!! - ABOUT THE PRICE-FOR-DUTY! ?????? -so only with Ukraine and only Russia could babysit. Well, and how to conduct a dialogue with them in general. ?

Give - give more. still. still. Stopped giving? - hell number one.

PS And greetings to the devotees! Darova.! How is it in Europe. yo yo Does hatred warm?

OBAMA HANDS PERMISSION TO PRESS?

[avia1991]

Quote: DEZINTO

Well, and how to conduct a dialogue with them in general. ?

Necessary not with them to say - you need to influence the mood of the people! Through the media, NGOs, all kinds of exchanges, books, films, festivals, propaganda news about the friendship of our peoples against mattresses! Amertsy quite successfully engaged in this for themselves .. Politicians come and go, but the people remain. And in order to have the support of the people - otherwise it will be shitty for the politicians to achieve their goals (in the sense - to fill their pockets ) - these same politicians will still be forced to support slogans about friendship and common interests!
Only all this had to be done the day before yesterday. And today there’s no one to talk to there .. I can’t imagine how the President is dealing with this .. Poroshenko talks! I would feel sick ..

[Dezinto]

Yes. It just so happened. Russia is just silent justice.
And the USA are advertising professionals. They know how to program in large numbers of people. Indos in this regard have already filled a hand. Examples ....... tired of enumerating ...

And how to influence the mood of the people? Well, actually technologies exist. That's just Russia uses them very sluggishly. Americans are more aggressive.

The war is unleashed. On a large scale. And the woman who has lost her son will not understand this fictional, imposed slaughterhouse - she is simply evil, and full of hatred for those from where the bullet flew!

I agree with you. Of course you need to talk with the people. But how?

I still have unanswered questions.

[Drunya]

Today, 19: 15
Militia "Don": the fire station and tower of the Donetsk airport under the control of the VSN
10.11.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Message from the Don militia from the Somalia unit: A fire station and a tower were taken under control at the Donetsk airport

“Fighting continues at the Donetsk airport. In the southwestern part of the airport, the Somali battalion took control of the fire department building and the fire tower. Defense has been installed at the facility, ”a Somali militia officer (Givi commander) with the call sign“ Don ”told REGNUM. - The day before during the hostilities, the militia killed 2 armored personnel carriers and 1 APU tank.
The capture of the tower and the fire station allowed us to take control of the road to the village. Sands. We also got the opportunity to observe the movement of APU equipment in Avdeevka. “Palim” their tanks.
Yesterday, “dill” for the first time launched an attack, maintaining a distance of 50-100 m. The militia knocked out 2 armored personnel carriers of the enemy. Hooked the tank, but he left, did not have time to finish off.
Today, at about 16:00 pm local time, the militia will let a Ukrainian ambulance enter Donetsk airport. Now an order has been received on full combat readiness, because there was an agreement with the enemy that at 16:00 from the side of the village. An ambulance arrives at Sands to pick up a seriously wounded soldier from the airport. We agreed that this car will pass, militias will not open fire on it. We are humane troops and will abide by the agreements, ”Don said.

[Cristall]

Quote: Dryuya

At the airport of Donetsk, the fire department and the tower were taken under control

Shaw again?
so many times already reported ... I already lost the bill.

[Brave]

Quote: Mayer1980

one of them would hit in Kiev in the end !!

tried to think before writing ...?

[Mayer1980]

I always think when I write dear! I think this is sobering ... It’s not necessary to shoot at historical monuments, it’s enough to be crazy about the SBU. There is a war going on, is Donetsk worse than Kiev ?? Or Lugansk ?? People there are in such moods that they would shoot at the White House ... It’s the same as if our Red Army wouldn’t shoot at Berlin at 45

[Lukich]

and here is the video

[opus]

Quote: Lukich

and here is the video

And at the end of the video and explained WHY are removed from conservation
1.mini agreements, as it were, there is, as it were, 30 km demilitarized zone (Europe and the United States will vigil)
2. So it says: set Beyond 30 km zone, and we will hit objects if you shoot at us

[tomcat117]

I do not envy the calculation of this "flower" when they are captured ... sooner or later it will be !!! (and especially to those "Hondurans" who give interviews and renovate)

[tomcat117]

Minus ukrobander? So it’s exactly said about you, ssy, your turn will come!

[Drunya]

DNR Zhdanovka - People's Court over Ukrofashist informers

[mahnabar]

Death to traitors !!!

[or]

We decided to make a New Year's gift, to rearm the militias.

[samoletil18]

How many lives will this "gift" take?

[hedgehog in the fog]

Despite the fact that the number of "Peonies" in the Ukrainian army is large, their use was all the time questionable. The main reason is the actual restrictions on the use of such weapons due to the fact that the Pion can also use nuclear-filled ammunition. One of the main types of such ammunition is a projectile intended for firing from the X-NUMX-mm guns B-203-M (Soviet-made self-propelled wheel howitzer).

if the overseas owners want a lot of blood, they will order a parachute to fire and special ammunition, and then they will sound the whole world that Russia uses nuclear weapons for dill

[zennon]

Quote: hedgehog in the fog

if the overseas owners want a lot of blood, they will order a parachute to fire and special ammunition, and then they will sound the whole world that Russia uses nuclear weapons for dill

There are no special ammunition in dill. Fortunately.

[viruvalge412ee]

To beat mercilessly, by all means of the latest technology. With freeloaders at least some benefit will be. The bastards must know who the master is next

[Drunya]

News from the militia of New Russia
10.11.14/19/24 XNUMX:XNUMX A SHORT SUMMARY FROM INTERBRIGADS: "THE APPLIANCES ARE DROPPED TO THEIR POSITIONS AGAIN"
“Today, November 10, the fighters of the“ Interbrigade ”, who are on the front line in the area of ​​the settlement of Sokolniki and Slavyanoserbsk, continue positional battles with the use of heavy artillery.
In the Sokolnikov area, the junta army went on the offensive again, but was thrown back to its former positions.
The fighters are in good spirits, there are no losses. "
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News from the militia of New Russia
10.11.14. 19: 36. Message from the militia.
"The Ukrainians are very powerful shelling of the village of Oktyabrsky. Vesely and the airport area are also subjected to artillery attacks from Pesok. There is a fire in front of the new terminal, which is not clear. In Makeyevka, the situation in the city is calm at the moment
Explosions from the direction of Pervomaisk again. There were about 7 volleys. In many cities of the Republic there are interruptions in the work of the mobile operator MTS. "
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The militia wrestled a new tank from the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "Bulat"! Ukraine. News of Ukraine

[Anchonsha]

Beast dill from the Rivne region, remember that someday these self-propelled guns will bomb the dill of the Nazis themselves, even the Rivne ones. Bastards, how can you use such weapons against your own, unless you disagree with fascist ideology.

[Aandrewsir]

Aw, Motorola, Givi !!! Guys, you have prepared dill gifts! Take it!

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Aspeed

Already recaptured 2 tulips from the APU. I’m terribly interested - for what purposes did these creatures want to work with a 380 mm mortar ???

Where does the 380 mm come from? 203 mm.

[woixo]

but also not a little mlyn. Poroshenko in the ass would be such a caliber and pull the handle.

[donechin1]

Lord, how many weapons this "poor" Ukraine has and everyone writes that there is no money

[lord]

Some kind of ChMO went with a minus on all posts ... apparently from dill.

[yanus]

Quote: Spade

Because in a war like the one that was fought in the east of Ukraine, they are simply not applicable.

They are irreplaceable if you think with your head. The generals were not seen in "thinking with their heads" ...
That is, they say they will shoot - they will shoot.
Considering that the circular deviation of the "Peonies" at long distances is not weak, and there are no normal gunners with spotters ... In short, they will shoot in Donetsk, but they will hit Luhansk.
Everyone except the militias will suffer, they simply won’t get hit on them ..

[Cristall]

Quote: donechin1

Lord, how many weapons this "poor" Ukraine has and everyone writes that there is no money

have to "dig" something really dig out from storage warehouses - Peonies for sure. Some people are in a hurry to "dig up" scads.
About Peony. Restore suggest all that they can. For contraband shooting still need to try. It would be necessary to do a lot of things for a successful one.
So far, the problem is ammunition. Despite stormy assumptions about nuclear firing, there are none. Probably will not. The United States delivers non-commercial. And Peonies themselves are a noticeable thing.
In general, the news pleases that they are recovering from storage bases. It grieves that you have to be militarized, otherwise "unidentified columns" appear.
And generally annoying is that the flywheel of war spins. She's already coming. The notorious unofficial Ukrainian Russian war ... in all spheres of life.
And each side considers itself right ..

Something (not to insult) went with a minus on all posts ... apparently from Ukraine

oh and don’t say .. it’s exactly "Ukrainians" put minuses to the unfinished comments.
They are everywhere ..

[Gecko]

Now you hope you understand what nationalism in a multinational state leads to.

[Max40]

Quote: Korvin1000

yes "Peonies" are strong stuff. We ought to capture them. Yes, in general, it's time to take Kharkov, there is such a military warehouse with mothballed equipment and B / P = enough for Poland itself.

If it's true! THEN it is better to watch so that Poland is not in the wrong place now Donbas

[PWG]

Apparently Rutskoi is right: it’s time to shy away from ukrokozl from Iskander!

[Zomanus]

That is, do you think that Peony will be worse than Grad, tornadoes and Tochka-U, which have already managed to shell civilians? Peony would be scary if there were no fighting before him. And so ... well, let's see.

[Nikolaevich I]

Something I don’t understand: some time ago there was a message that Bezler's unit captured as many as 4 self-propelled guns "Pion"; and in reports about artillery shelling by warriors of the Donbass cities, there were references to "Peony". And suddenly it turns out that " There are peonies "in dill, but in warehouses. Here is the veracity of the information received from Donbass.

[Non-war]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Something I don’t understand: some time ago there was a message that Bezler's unit captured as many as 4 self-propelled guns "Pion"; and in reports about artillery shelling by warriors of the Donbass cities, there were references to "Peony". And suddenly it turns out that " There are peonies "in dill, but in warehouses. Here is the veracity of the information received from Donbass.

Well, for the sake of fairness, we must admit that the militia reports do not always shine with truthfulness, there are also fans there to embellish events in their favor, like capturing 4 Pions, when they were not removed from conservation or 67 wrecked Ukrainian tanks in one battle. bothered to show captured GRU agents, but the militia did not reveal the facts of the existence of Polish mercenaries in the Donbass. So blindly believe one of the parties, at least naively, no one has canceled the information war.

[dimasialyt]

2S7 was created as a means of delivering NUCLEAR ammunition to its destination. In this case, it is just a self-propelled gun, it shoots VERY far and is very difficult to operate!

[chaldon]

Quote: bif

"..The only episode of combat use of 2S7 self-propelled guns was the war in South Ossetia, where the Georgian side of the conflict used a battery of six 2S7 self-propelled guns. During the retreat, Georgian troops hid all six 2S7 self-propelled guns in the Gori area. One of the 5 2S7 self-propelled guns discovered by Russian troops was captured in as a trophy, the rest were destroyed"
The criminal Saakashvili used them against the civilian population, now another lover of killing civilians decided to join him and find out "what a tie tastes like"!

At one time they shouted loudly that all those responsible for the attack on South Ossetia, the execution of the peacekeeping contingent on 08.08.08. will be brought to justice, tried and receive the deserved punishment! And what?! Again empty shock and menacing statements. If everything had been done as stated, the situation in Ukraine would now be completely different and no one would even think of shooting at peaceful cities, schools and hospitals, fearing fair retribution. In general, the situation when the military does its job and wins, and politicians nullify the results of this victory, is outrageous and leads to conclusions about the corruption and betrayal of politicians. Therefore, I have a question: “Who exactly was brought to trial and punished for the war started in South Ossetia on August 08.08.08, XNUMX??? The perpetrators are known to the whole world and, instead of hanging quietly, hanging by the balls (as promised), they give lectures at American universities and advise the Kyiv junta!

[Nikolaevich I]

By the way, Bezler “captured” “Smerchi” too. “Blindly believing” is, of course, not worth it. When, involuntarily, you notice “inconsistencies” in messages, you begin to analyze various messages more carefully; and the “inconsistencies” “stick out” even more. But it is difficult to draw the right conclusions: the information “reaches us” "in insufficient quantities and of insufficient quality. This gives rise to distrust of information about Donbass in general. Of course, one can say: why do we need to know whether Novorossiya has "Hurricanes", "Tulips", "Hyacinths" and other "significant" weapons ? But if you are not indifferent to the fate of Novorossiya, then you have to analyze the balance of forces, the balance of weapons, and internal political squabbles, the state of the economy, the mood of the people - in order to draw, if possible, conclusions: will Novorossiya survive. P.S. I suspect information “shoals” not only militias, the media of Novorossiya; but also the dishonesty of Russian journalists. Where did the information come from that during the capture of airports, “Tulips” were used, which soon “turned” into “Hyacinths”? Why have photos of militia “Tulips,” Hyacinths” never appeared from the airport areas ?How did the correspondents, greedy for “sensational” pictures, miss this? If you believe the SBU reports that have become known; the militias should have: 2 Uragan MLRS, 2 Tyulpana-S (although the Russian media “captured” more). A photo of one captured "Gyacinth-S" also flashed in the reports of Novorossiya

[Non-war]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

By the way, Bezler “captured” “Smerchi” too. “Blindly believing” is, of course, not worth it. When, involuntarily, you notice “inconsistencies” in messages, you begin to analyze various messages more carefully; and the “inconsistencies” “stick out” even more. But it is difficult to draw the right conclusions: the information “reaches us” "in insufficient quantities and of insufficient quality. This gives rise to distrust of information about Donbass in general. Of course, one can say: why do we need to know whether Novorossiya has "Hurricanes", "Tulips", "Hyacinths" and other "significant" weapons ? But if you are not indifferent to the fate of Novorossiya, then you have to analyze the balance of forces, the balance of weapons, and internal political squabbles, the state of the economy, the mood of the people - in order to draw, if possible, conclusions: will Novorossiya survive. P.S. I suspect information “shoals” not only militias, the media of Novorossiya; but also the dishonesty of Russian journalists. Where did the information come from that during the capture of airports, “Tulips” were used, which soon “turned” into “Hyacinths”? Why have photos of militia “Tulips,” Hyacinths” never appeared from the airport areas ?How did the correspondents, greedy for “sensational” pictures, miss this? If you believe the SBU reports that have become known; the militias should have: 2 Uragan MLRS, 2 Tyulpana-S (although the Russian media “captured” more). A photo of one captured "Gyacinth-S" also flashed in the reports of Novorossiya

I agree with you completely. Personally, I have determined for myself a method on how best to approach the truth about this war - I read all the information from various opposing sources, from Censor to Rusvesna, and only then form my own opinion. The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.