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Coming soon: oil at 70 dollars per barrel

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Coming soon: oil at 70 dollars per barrelAccording to some reputable sources, OPEC is going to stop the decline in oil prices after reaching a minimum of seventy dollars per barrel. But why wait for the price in 70 dollars? It is believed that the Saudis decided to hold the low price for some time in order to strangle the "shale revolution" in the United States. Meanwhile, the price of black gold did not go down, but up!


In the influential edition "The Wall Street Journal" An article was published that sheds light on the minimum market expectations of OPEC countries.

The magazine reports that the measures taken to stabilize the oil price of the cartel’s participants will most likely be taken only if the price reaches the minimum in 70 dollars per barrel. This information is first-hand.

Some of the officials representing the twelve members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries informally met last week in Vienna on the eve of the OPEC meeting scheduled for November 27. They discussed the price of oil, which reached the lowest level, at least in the last four years.

The publication reminds that now oil prices have fallen by more than 25% compared with the summer of this year. Some of the OPEC members now fear the likely shortage of their state budgets.

Nevertheless, many of the members of the cartel openly stated that they are unlikely to become effective now, when the prices for Brent oil were established in the 80 area of ​​dollars per barrel. However, lowering the price to $ 70 per barrel will serve as a signal for action.

“With the price of 70 $ per barrel, OPEC will panic,” an unnamed OPEC official told the correspondent on the sidelines. “We’ve got used to living at 100 $ per barrel.”

Another official from the cartel confirmed that, with seventy dollars a barrel, OPEC would take action.

OPEC currently accounts for about a third of global crude oil sales. At a press conference in Vienna on Thursday, OPEC secretary general Abdullah Salem al-Badri said the cartel "is concerned, but does not panic"

As for the decline in prices, Mr. Al-Badri blamed market speculators for this. In Vienna, OPEC officials said they did not expect oil prices to fall below $ 75 per barrel in the short term.

At the November 27 meeting, “we will discuss all the mechanisms ... how to keep prices within 90-100 dollars per barrel,” said Pedro Merizalde, Minister of Non-Renewable Natural Resources of Ecuador.

Currently, despite the “increase in nervousness” in OPEC, none of the officials so far admits that on November 27 any decision would be taken to voluntarily restrict oil production. Now the cartel has set the “collective production ceiling” at 30 million barrels per day, although in practice this often exceeds the production limit. All together, OPEC members in September mined 30.700.000 barrels per day (data from the International Energy Agency).

Nevertheless, the American edition notes, the exporters' organization itself expects its production to fall in the medium term. The reason will be the increase in oil supplies in another region of the planet, namely in the United States (shale oil).

In its annual report on energy prospects, OPEC said that its oil production will fall by 1,8 million barrels per day by the end of 2017, that is, from 30 million barrels per day this year to 28,2 million barrels per day.

Since the cartel does not take any measures against price cuts, conjectures regarding the actions of the “main oilmen” (Saudis), directed not only against Russia, not against the USA, continue to multiply on the Internet. And not that against both!

We have already written to “VO” that the production of shale oil will become economically unjustified if the price falls below 80 dollars per barrel. Well-known US market analysts and oil production experts agree on this. The price in 70 dollars per barrel, which is talked about today in OPEC, will generally kill the expensive oil production in shale: its profitability will become negative. Production will be curtailed, companies in the mining states will throw people on the streets, B.H. Obama will finally turn gray.

Why does Saudi Arabia need this?

For competitive reasons. Riyadh does not want the United States to become its powerful competitor in the global market. Riyadh wants the “shale revolution” to be a thing of the past, as another unsuccessful project of the Bark Obama infamous era.

The explanation seems to be correct. But he has a number of major flaws.

First, Saudi Arabia is a regional ally of the United States, and Washington has contracted to provide security for Riyadh since the seventies (despite the complete absence of democracy there) in exchange for the latter’s agreement to sell crude oil for dollars only (and appeared four decades ago to light petrodollars).

Secondly, no one has yet succeeded in shitting the world hegemon like this. In addition to the USSR, of course, but the USSR on the world map is long gone.

Therefore, the version of the economic attack of Riyadh against Washington looks extremely dubious. Such a version is more likely to appeal to conspiracy theories than analysts who are accustomed to reasoning objectively.

There is another explanation. They say that the Saudis have conspired with the United States and decided to finally "overwhelm" Russia, which already has a hard time because of the sanctions. Once upon a time, the Soviet Union, through the price of black gold, was “poured”, and successfully, and now we will repeat this focus with Russia. With the very Russia, which lives mainly on the export of energy.

This version also does not hold the most simple criticism.

Why the Saudis, in collusion with the United States, bring down the price of oil to seventy dollars, if the American oil industry falls not so much Russian?

By the way, the Saudis impose their budget with the forecasted price of crude oil at eighty dollars per barrel. Not seventy. But not a hundred, as is done by other economists in Russia. A cautious Eastern approach to price suggests that Riyadh has studied the vagaries of the market well and long ago. But Russia, it seems, has floated in recent years on waves of euphoria caused by a very high oil price, and the fall in prices was an unpleasant surprise for the ministers.

Nevertheless, even pro-Western Russian analysts agree that the country's budget will withstand a low price for a couple of years (at 80 dollars per barrel). What happens next, no one says. At the present time, two years is a huge period for all sorts of forecasts.

Target price for oil, determined on 2015 year of the Ministry of Economic Development, is 100 dollars per barrel.

Optimistic, you will not say anything.

For example, Iran’s budget for next year is planned based on oil prices in 65-70 dollars per barrel.

With an oil price of about eighty dollars in the 2015 year and beyond, Russia has two options. A government that expects prices of at least one hundred dollars may cut federal spending (state programs). This option is, to put it mildly, unpopular. But about him in the government they said back in October.

Another option is to launch the “paw” into the funds of the Reserve Fund. The latter is formed just from oil revenues. Most likely, the "jug" will be printed. In late October, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov addressed to the State Duma deputies with a request to allow the Ministry of Finance in 2015, if necessary, to take from the Reserve Fund 500 billion rubles. The State Duma did not mind.

In the meantime, the point is, oil prices ... went up.

Growing oil exports will further increase demand. This was stated by the strategist "CMC Markets" in Sydney, Michael McCarthy, reports RIA News" with reference to Bloomberg.

“You can bet on the fact that, following the growing exports, demand will follow. Increased production is a matter of paramount importance to the market, ”the agency quoted a strategist.

RIA "News»Also notes that on November 10, world oil prices are rising during the bidding process. The reason for the growth is the increase in exports in China.

“The cost of December futures for US light crude oil WTI (Light Sweet Crude Oil) as of 8.22 Moscow time increased by 0,53% - to 79,07 dollars per barrel. December futures price for North Sea Brent crude oil mix rose by 0,53% - to 83,83 dollars per barrel. "


We will add in conclusion that the fluctuations in the world oil market depend on many components: here are the so-called psychological expectations, the speculators' game on the stock exchanges, and forecasts regarding the economic future of the new locomotive of the global economy - China, and the question of the likely decline in oil purchases by Germany (the EU engine ), and the activities of the OPEC cartel, and shale mining in the United States. Increased oil sales by Iraq and Iran also play a role. In addition, Libya has somewhat recovered in the oil trade. Even terrorists from the “Islamic State”, who sell crude oil at dumping prices - 25-50 dollars per barrel, made a bit of a drop in the price. To ignore all these factors and declare that the Saudis are playing alongside the United States, in order to "overwhelm" Russia, only a terry conspiracy therapist can.

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  1. Renat
    Renat 11 November 2014 07: 11 New
    +14
    The decline in oil prices at one time was one of the stages of a multi-pass plan for the collapse of the USSR. But our government, controlled by the oligarchic clans, did not succeed and did not want to get off this needle.
    1. Canep
      Canep 11 November 2014 07: 38 New
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      The Saudis are not masochists, their goal is shale oil, not Russia, if the price is below $ 90 then shale oil becomes unprofitable. I think the price of oil is stabilizing at 80-85 dollars.
      1. bif
        bif 11 November 2014 09: 06 New
        +9
        Quote: Canep
        The Saudis are not masochists, their goal is shale oil, not Russia, if the price is below 90 dollars, then shale oil becomes unprofitable

        1: Shale oil production in the United States is subsidized (counted as paid) by the government with more than 2 / 3, so there’s no place to go.
        2. Saudis are simply forced to sell more when the price drops. their budget is made up for more than 90 $.
        3: The most important thing is that oil from unstable Libya, Iraq, Syria is sold by terrorists at a bargain price of 25-50 $ and naturally the largest oil consumer in the world, who has brewed all this mess, buys it ... hence the price drop and from these excess profits will be supported shale mining.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 11 November 2014 09: 41 New
          +17
          Quote: bif
          1: Shale oil production in the United States is subsidized (counted as paid) by the government with more than 2 / 3, so there’s no place to go.
          2. Saudis are simply forced to sell more when the price drops. their budget is made up for more than 90 $.
          3: The most important thing is that oil from unstable Libya, Iraq, Syria is sold by terrorists at a bargain price of 25-50 $ and naturally the largest oil consumer in the world, who has brewed all this mess, buys it ... hence the price drop and from these excess profits will be supported shale mining.


          You can still add
          4. The US oil consumption market is the largest in the world. In aggregate, the consumption of world resources from proteins to oil by the US population and industry is almost 20% of the global total. And therefore, the rise and fall of world oil prices is largely dependent on US oil reserves,.While as well as the extraction of oil shale US gas prices are tightly controlled by the state
          5. The United States pursues a policy of tight control of the oil market in its country. Simply put, all suppliers to the American market are allowed in and no one is allowed to leave America with oil. This, by the way, is one of the reasons for the growing separatist sentiments in some states, especially in Texas, which are heated by the oil lobby.
          This allows you to keep oil at a low price, As soon as American hydrocarbon miners begin start exporting to the open market will immediately rise in price in the United States Therefore, the United States maintains its market and through the petrodollars influence on the world market. At the same time, the same Saudis, if they want to maintain their positions in this market, are forced to dump, because the competition of Iran itself increases after the planned lifting of sanctions and cheap Syrian and Iraqi oil through ISIS, opaque deliveries from Libya, etc.
          6. Namely this stolen, “left-wing” oil, which costs almost nothing, is most likely controlled by the United States and mainly enters the US market almost for nothing..
          This stolen oil allows you to fill the tanks of American cars with gasoline, which does not cost anything at all, but is sold at a high price. The fact that thousands of people have been killed for this oil and continue to kill them still does not bother anyone in the United States. A chosen nation should not lack anything.
          1. atalef
            atalef 11 November 2014 14: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            It is this stolen, “left-wing” oil that is worth almost nothing that is most likely controlled by the United States and mainly comes to the US market almost for nothing ..

            ISIS sells oil for a million bucks a day (now less)
            America buys oil a day worth about 1.5-2 billion dollars a day
            1 million - the amount is not just ridiculous, but very funny and certainly will not fill the tanks of American cars, and they do not in any way affect world oil prices.
            1. bif
              bif 11 November 2014 14: 28 New
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              ISIS sells oil for a million bucks a day (now less)
              America buys oil a day worth about 1.5-2 billion dollars a day
              1 million - the amount is not just ridiculous

              The numbers voiced by you are the subjective opinion of individual experts, there are NO official and exact numbers. Therefore, referring and relying in their conclusions on them is SIMPLE FUNNY.
              1. atalef
                atalef 12 November 2014 01: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: bif
                Quote: atalef
                ISIS sells oil for a million bucks a day (now less)
                America buys oil a day worth about 1.5-2 billion dollars a day
                1 million - the amount is not just ridiculous

                The numbers voiced by you are the subjective opinion of individual experts, there are NO official and exact numbers. Therefore, referring and relying in their conclusions on them is SIMPLE FUNNY.

                voice yours - laugh together
            2. just exp
              just exp 12 November 2014 07: 51 New
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              in addition to ISIS, there is also Libya, Iraq and others.
              the fact that an ordinary cheap American doesn’t shine from this is a fact, but oil companies get fucking profits.
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              2. atalef
                atalef 12 November 2014 08: 11 New
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                Quote: just EXPL
                in addition to ISIS, there is also Libya, Iraq and others. because an ordinary cheap American doesn’t shine because of this, but oil companies get fucking profits.

                and since when did Libya and Iraq (OPEC members) sell oil at dumping prices?
            3. Peacemaker of the USSR
              Peacemaker of the USSR 16 November 2014 17: 05 New
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              I agree, I only read on ISIS-ovskaya for $ 3 million / day
              (and the total world oil production is $ 3 billion / day), which will be 0,1% of the total mass and does not make the weather in the world.
              bif, you would not be smart. Even if ISIS increased their production 50 times !!! , then the change in volume would be only 5% of the total mass and would not play a significant role. For you personally (bif), as well as for ISIS, $ 3 million / day is a hefty amount of money and for "life is more than enough."
          2. bif
            bif 11 November 2014 14: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            You can still add

            Familiar words! I also read contrpost.com laughing
    2. zero12005
      zero12005 11 November 2014 08: 06 New
      +8
      And who do you think are members of the economic bloc of government and top-managers like Chubais? They are the oligarchs, at least in terms of income. If Bu Andersen (the same Cossack-uh..kal GAZ, was sent to the TAZ in Tlyatti) installed a salary of 2 lamas per month for menagers? So we have a lot in common with the outskirts. When, on Nekrasov, we will make a broad and clear road to a brighter future ... As for the oil needle, this is a liberal model of a commodity economy, if only ... you don’t do it, you’re sitting on the bucks and that’s it. And pldtext, all this liberalism is sponsored in one way or another by the United States and its allies, and so far we will not see happiness there.
    3. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 11 November 2014 09: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Renat
      The decline in oil prices at one time was one of the stages of a multi-pass plan for the collapse of the USSR.

      Yes it was .. but I think this time this move will not work! 40-50 year olds remember well what happened and how we were all kicked and humiliated by everyone .. and robbed the country! I honestly really want oil to fall in price like in those years .. A good check for the state would be ..! Part bugs can fall off the pipe .. (a lot of them divorced too)
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    5. sdv68
      sdv68 11 November 2014 10: 52 New
      -3
      The decline in oil prices at one time was one of the stages of a multi-pass plan for the collapse of the USSR.
      The share of oil depots in the USSR GDP was less than 1%.
      1. Sergei1982
        Sergei1982 11 November 2014 13: 42 New
        +2
        The share of oil depots in the USSR's GDP was less than 1%
        Yeah, for some reason, when the prices collapsed, the USSR immediately began to run out of money and the debt grew to 56 dollars (the dollar was worth 5 modern dollars)
        1. Tektor
          Tektor 11 November 2014 14: 54 New
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          just why, when prices collapsed, the USSR immediately began to run out of money
          Now the price has fallen from 110 to 80, about 1,5 times. The union had to do it harder - the price fell 3,5 times ... And it turned out to be "not ready."
          In my opinion, the Saud in collusion with the states were afraid of our Kars riches, and they are trying to make their development and production unprofitable. Therefore, 80. This price will allow the Saudis and the states to stay for a long time. But if the price becomes 70, then the states will go bad. But then they already will not care: 70 or 30 (3,5 times, as with the Union), and here we will have kirdyk.
    6. Denis fj
      Denis fj 11 November 2014 22: 16 New
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      President Vladimir Putin seems to be a supporter of the "conspiracy" version when he said this in Milan. In a new interview, he spoke more carefully, saying that there are a number of different reasons. But among other reasons, he cited the political one: “The political component in oil prices is also always present. Moreover, in some crisis moments, there is a feeling that politics prevails in energy pricing. ”


      That is, according to the President, the price reduction looks like a continuation of the “sanctions” against Russia. But lower oil prices threaten the shale industry in the United States. But then the United States itself must understand this. It can, of course, be assumed that America acts on the principle of "spiteless frostbite on my mother’s ears." The “shale” optimists say with might and main that the “shale” industry, thanks to progress and new technologies, will survive even with a further decrease in oil prices (the figure was called $ 57). Probably some part will undoubtedly survive, and some will go bankrupt.
      Against the backdrop of optimistic EIA forecasts for oil shale, there is a growing understanding that this cannot go on for long. The United States has already reduced estimates for the field, the Fed intends to end the program of buying up “debt obligations” and issuing interest-free loans to oil and gas by the end of the year. Alternative forecasts have already appeared that the peak in the production of shale gas and oil has either already been passed or will be passed in the near future with a subsequent decline in production. And the main problem is ecology. The growth of anti-shale sentiment in the US is high. When the number of wells (respectively, hydraulic fracturing) was relatively small - this did not cause problems. But the avalanche-like increase in their number (tens of thousands per year) cannot but cause concern.

      So that? What is the conclusion? Small and medium-sized “shale” companies may go bankrupt, and with them some investors (they will not receive free money, but this is their business). With the fall in oil production in the United States, imports will inevitably increase. And here is where imported oil at a low price is just in time. Again, America will win: it will be at its own and even profitable.
  2. MolGro
    MolGro 11 November 2014 07: 15 New
    +2
    By 70))) do not tell it will bring down the shale market!
    And the first to suffer is the United Colony of America!
    They no longer give loans to shale companies, and the pace of drilling has dropped very much!
    1. Canep
      Canep 11 November 2014 07: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: MolGro
      By 70))) do not tell it will bring down the shale market!

      The shale market is already collapsing for a critical threshold of $ 90.
      1. iwind
        iwind 11 November 2014 09: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        Quote: MolGro
        By 70))) do not tell it will bring down the shale market!

        The shale market is already collapsing for a critical threshold of $ 90.

        come on.
        Every month there is a steady increase in production in the United States. http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/drilling/#tabs-summary-2
        Even with a further reduction in prices, only old drilling rigs will be closed in October-November, 41 of 1609 drilling rigs were closed, but with a passion for oil production by 44000 barrels.
        Well, and the cost is already reaching 50 dollars, the old towers will certainly close.
        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-14/u-s-shale-oil-output-growing-even-as-pr

        ices-drop-eia.html
        Further building the economy on high oil hopes is already idiocy. It is necessary to wave the economy in a complex way or an ass. I consider it without options. By the fact that while they hid their heads in the sand about oil production in the United States, and then it won’t work out, we’ll already feel the last ..
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 11 November 2014 20: 35 New
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      It seems that experts write that the wells are rapidly depleted, in the second year they produce 30% of what they produced at the beginning, and therefore they drill again.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2014 07: 21 New
    +6
    To get off an oil needle is necessary, but it is so difficult! Try to persuade the addict to "no longer inject". This is so sweet. Tk that, IMHO, breaking can not be avoided. “Break” - we will be stronger. Russia has no other options.
    1. Canep
      Canep 11 November 2014 07: 49 New
      +8
      Of course, there’s nothing for us to do in the automotive industry at the world level, but we need to restore our positions in the machine tool industry and in aviation. Why do we buy Knutov machine tools and fly on “watermelons” when the USSR produced all, absolutely all types of machine tools, and all classes of aircraft. Why Brazil was able to break into the market with Embraer, and our planes are skidding in our own market.
      1. Professor
        Professor 11 November 2014 12: 32 New
        -1
        Good afternoon,
        I did not produce a scoop of absolutely all types of machine tools ever. Always bought for gold from the bourgeoisie. The same aircraft carrier was made on the Krupp bourgeois machine tools. Things were not going smoothly with airplanes either. They made noise and smoked so much that they did not want to let them into Europe.
        1. Codename49
          Codename49 11 November 2014 20: 12 New
          0
          Where does such information about our planes come from?
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 11 November 2014 20: 41 New
          +1
          They didn’t seem to want, a dozen years after the collapse of the USSR. Do you think in those days their planes smoked and made less noise? Everything is done in the framework of not very fair competition. At first they come up with a not significant advantage, then, taking advantage of inconsistency (and the industry is still not very wealthy), laws are riveted under it that force them to buy their products. And then, cry at the WTO, which in the Russian Federation, they adopt the law on the disposal of auto-trash from Europe.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 November 2014 10: 07 New
            0
            Quote: zvereok
            They didn’t seem to want, a dozen years after the collapse of the USSR. Do you think in those days their planes smoked and made less noise? Everything is done in the framework of not very fair competition. At first they come up with a not significant advantage, then, taking advantage of inconsistency (and the industry is still not very wealthy), laws are riveted under it that force them to buy their products. And then, cry at the WTO, which in the Russian Federation, they adopt the law on the disposal of auto-trash from Europe.

            If they came up with something virtual, then I would agree with you. But they checked undeniable things like exhaust and noise level. They don’t even fly their planes at night in order not to disturb civilians with their noise, and Soviet designers didn’t bother much with the noise level.
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 14 November 2014 22: 44 New
              0
              Well, but by banning our agree, obsolete aircraft, why are they surprised when we ban their auto-trash. There is definitely a one-goal game, as long as they are profitable.
    2. bif
      bif 11 November 2014 18: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      To get off an oil needle is necessary, but it is so difficult!

      I agree with you if you mean the export of pure oil.
      But the export of energy from pipeline and LNG gas, oil refined products is an extremely profitable occupation. This high-tech production is not only profitable, but also the strongest economic weapon for solving political problems. Here the role of the "addict" belongs to the IMPORTERS. Most importantly, export should not be to the detriment of your country and for national currency or gold, in extreme cases, barter.
  4. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 11 November 2014 07: 23 New
    0
    I don’t know how true it is, but I recently read somewhere that at a price below $ 75, the United States will not be able to produce shale oil.
  5. Wellych
    Wellych 11 November 2014 07: 29 New
    0
    While everything is being traded through speculators, and the settlement currency is under the full control of a very small clan, the price of oil is not predictable.
  6. bmv04636
    bmv04636 11 November 2014 08: 11 New
    +1
    Do not forget such players as China and India who only get buns from such an oil price. And it is necessary for the "light elf" to make China become even stronger. There is a game on the nerves who will throw themselves forward and spend their gold reserves. The "light elves" have not had gold for a long time, but they have their own printing press. Now in the market there is a surplus of paper "forever green" to which eternity is already coming. Since Russia and China are still gradually moving to the yuan. And soon we will see (we already see) that energy resources are not sold for a piece of greens.
  7. 54RG3
    54RG3 11 November 2014 08: 22 New
    +1
    With all due respect to the author, but with what kind of Russia would "be in a sense of euphoria"? The budget is made up of 80 American pieces of paper per barrel, isn't it? Everything was predicted to escalate ...
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 11 November 2014 12: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: 54RG3
      With all due respect to the author, but with what kind of Russia would "be in a sense of euphoria"? The budget is made up of 80 American pieces of paper per barrel, isn't it? Everything was predicted to escalate ...

      In-in, I was also surprised by the author’s figures. The figure is overpriced and not true. They always seemed to do it this way: - they made up the budget from a lower price, and the surplus into a bottle.
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 November 2014 12: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: dimon-media
        Quote: 54RG3
        With all due respect to the author, but with what kind of Russia would "be in a sense of euphoria"? The budget is made up of 80 American pieces of paper per barrel, isn't it? Everything was predicted to escalate ...

        In-in, I was also surprised by the author’s figures. The figure is overpriced and not true. They always seemed to do it this way: - they made up the budget from a lower price, and the surplus into a bottle.

        Not certainly in that way

        Siluanov also said that the budget for 2014-2016. calculated based on Urals oil prices below $ 100 per barrel - $ 93, $ 95 and $ 95 per barrel. The minister recalled that in the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development, the price for these years is $ 101, $ 100 and $ 100 per barrel.

        Read on: http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/16550761/goskompanii-nachnut-otdavat-na-di
        videndy-35-pribyli-po-msfo # ixzz3Ikh98aan
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 November 2014 12: 05 New
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      however, 100, not 80. Therefore, in fact, the 2015 budget deficit will be 20 percent higher than planned.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 11 November 2014 15: 03 New
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        Not really yours: the ruble exchange rate compensates. He has already overcompensated: the budget surplus rolls over, as oil was sold only 5% less than a year ago, and oil revenues - 80% of oil and gas. The course fell by 50% in a year! Those. the budget receives rubles, approximately 1,3 times more than last year ... Overfulfillment, however.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 11 November 2014 20: 45 New
          0
          You will wait for gas prices to fall. Then it will be possible to roam. Exactly by the end of next year we will repay half our debts.
  8. Svetovod
    Svetovod 11 November 2014 08: 25 New
    +2
    While traders rule the world, there will be no life.

    I believe that this INFO war-war will end not with a hot war, but with the introduction of a new type of energy production - nuclear / fancy / vortex / magnetic / meteorological / whatever.
  9. Ivanhoe
    Ivanhoe 11 November 2014 08: 50 New
    -2
    The author forgot to mention dumping (20 dollars per barrel) and the ever-increasing supply of oil from igil militants !!!
    1. Mart
      11 November 2014 10: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Ivanhoe
      The author forgot to mention dumping (20 dollars per barrel) and the ever-increasing supply of oil from igil militants !!!

      You would read the article for a start.
      Even terrorists from the “Islamic State”, who sell crude oil at dumping prices - 25-50 dollars per barrel, made a bit of a drop in the price.

      This is a quote from the article.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 November 2014 12: 07 New
        +2
        It is believed that the Saudis have exhausted all their opportunities to increase production, and therefore secretly buy stolen oil from ISIS and sell it as their own.
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 November 2014 06: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: OldWiser
          It is believed that the Saudis have exhausted all their opportunities to increase production, and therefore secretly buy stolen oil from ISIS and sell it as their own.


          Oil fields captured by ISIL produce less than 80 thousand barrels per day

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          ISIS militants produce no more than 80 thousand barrels per day at the fields they seized in Iraq and Syria. This was announced on October 20, 2014 by the Director of the Bahrain Center for Strategic International Studies in the field of Energy, H. ar-Ruweikhi.

          Yes, there’s nothing to say, 80 tons of barrels, Saudi Arabia produces 11 million barrels of oil per day (only one of it), and in the world 85 million barrels a day - like 80 tons of barrels (produced by ISIS> 0.1% of global production) - it can generally how to influence both the price and generally something?
  10. Boris55
    Boris55 11 November 2014 09: 08 New
    -1
    The decline in oil prices, the fall of the ruble - this is the realization of Obama’s promise to avenge Putin.
    Russia’s population is being prepared for dissatisfaction with Putin’s policies and his subsequent overthrow.
    As it turned out in yesterday's topic, there are plenty of dissatisfied Putin on the site ...
    Are there any shortcomings in Putin - yes, like any person, but because of the bloated little things you can lose the country.

    "... In my opinion, the division of life phenomena into great and small, the reduction of the great to the small, the exaltation of the small to great is the true mockery of life... "
    M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin



    full video on the site: http://fct-altai.ru/
  11. pravednik
    pravednik 11 November 2014 09: 23 New
    +1
    I can’t understand how. We get that in the government some dumbheads are sitting or what should I call them? I agree that we have large natural resources.
  12. Almatinets
    Almatinets 11 November 2014 09: 35 New
    +2
    I don’t think that the Saudis have muddied everything - this is being treated at the moment, one muddy terrorist attack on their territory and the market will turn around
  13. Zhenya
    Zhenya 11 November 2014 09: 37 New
    +4
    Au pancake analysts in June 2008, the price was 138 bucks by December it became 43 so what? Did something fall apart? The price of oil 5 years ago fell 3 times. Now we see that in June it was 111, now 80 and already a panic? Are you crazy? Oil may again fall to the same levels as 5 years ago, but it is only half as much as in 2008. Then it was feverish, I do not argue, but we survived, now there is a reserve fund, etc., etc.

    Learn history, moreover, it was just about.
  14. skeptik2999
    skeptik2999 11 November 2014 09: 40 New
    +6
    We survived the 90s, we will survive the current oil crisis. But what will the United States do if Russia and China manage to move the dollar as a reserve currency? We are waiting for a radical change in the situation. Fashington must be destroyed.
  15. pahom54
    pahom54 11 November 2014 09: 40 New
    0
    "There is an opinion that the Saudis decided to keep the price low for a while in order to strangle the" shale revolution "in the USA" ...

    I deeply doubt it ...
    It seems to me that the main blow is directed against Russia ...
    We do not forget with this Saudi financing of hostilities in the Caucasus and the veiled threat about terrorist attacks during the Sochi Olympics ...
  16. Chapovsky
    Chapovsky 11 November 2014 09: 48 New
    0
    from what reliable sources is the news?
    as in Ukrainian. media: "not important!" , maybe from facebook?
    do not even read such news ...
  17. kush62
    kush62 11 November 2014 10: 18 New
    +1
    And the Swiss, and the reaper, and the dude on the pipe. It turns out so many people are versed in the extraction and marketing of oil. And all on a military site. I would know the ransom, I would live in Sochi.
  18. sdv68
    sdv68 11 November 2014 10: 51 New
    +2
    The Soviet Union once “felled” through black gold prices, and successfully, but now we will repeat this focus with Russia.


    Rave. The share of oil depots in the GDP of the USSR was less than 1%. And we should not forget that until the middle of 70%, oil generally cost less than 5 bucks a barrel.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2014 12: 56 New
      -1
      Quote: sdv68
      The Soviet Union once “felled” through black gold prices, and successfully, but now we will repeat this focus with Russia.


      Rave. The share of oil depots in the GDP of the USSR was less than 1%. And we should not forget that until the middle of 70%, oil generally cost less than 5 bucks a barrel.

      Not true

      So, 40 years ago (in 1970), the share of fuel and energy products in the export structure of the USSR was 15,7%. The same goods in the structure of Russian exports in 2008 amounted to 67,8% (!). But the fact is that in those days the export of machinery and equipment amounted to 21,5% (in 2008 - 4,9%), food and agricultural raw materials 8,9% (in 2008 - 2%).
      .

      E.A. Kozlovsky, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, Honored Worker of Science and Technology of the RSFSR, Honored Geologist of the Russian Federation, Laureate of the Lenin and State Prizes of the Russian Federation
      http://kprf.ru/otvet/90465.html
  19. Urri
    Urri 11 November 2014 10: 58 New
    0
    Quote: pahom54
    "There is an opinion that the Saudis decided to keep the price low for a while in order to strangle the" shale revolution "in the USA" ...


    It is believed that we take 65 each to the SA, we take it overseas, we give 90 each, and no one knows that the scribe came to the United States for the shale miracle. And if we take 90, as in May, then the penguin already has 125, and the penguins start to suspect something, after which the words Obama and Lynch’s court are almost synonymous. At the turn of July, something happened to shale mining in the United States. Something to hide what needs to be diverted to the fullest, for which the reason is less informatively significant than the war with Russia, is not acceptable.
  20. Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 11 November 2014 11: 55 New
    +4
    Why do all conspiracy theories come down to sauds?
    Are they the main bump in world oil production?
    One third of the oil produced.
    Yes, the KSA can’t do anything now and they are just lagging behind prices - the guardianship is fragmented and no one can and does not want to sacrifice its quota.

    So who drowns oil prices?

    And why doesn’t everyone take Russia into account?

    Like she is most unprofitable?

    But it is disadvantageous if you do not take into account the prize - the ruin of American oil production and the cessation of the shale revolution.

    Russia has discovered giant deposits in the Arctic and before starting to exploit them, it is necessary to clear the site from competitors.

    And now, according to the possibilities - just before the start of the fall in oil prices, Russia concluded an agreement with Iran on the purchase of Iranian oil in exchange for Russian goods.

    Siluanov (it seems) claimed that oil was bought for resale.
    So, Russia has acquired a semi-legal source of oil, of unknown classified volumes, for which it does not pay in foreign currency.
    And right after that, oil prices went down.

    Is there any suggestion that Putin decided to crank out the same joke with the US that they had previously done with the USSR?
    Indeed, now oil prices are vital for the United States - the shale revolution is facing the very economic boom that is pulling them out of the financial crisis.
    There will be no shale oil - there will be no way out of the crisis.

    Such is conspiracy thesis.
    1. EvaFerrari
      EvaFerrari 11 November 2014 12: 06 New
      0
      You almost read my mind))
    2. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 11 November 2014 12: 07 New
      0
      Next, the Chinese factor.
      China is very profitable to lower oil prices <but China is now an ally of Russia.
      Putin, again shortly before, had complicated negotiations with the Chinese and could have made a deal - Russia is knocking down oil prices, while China is compensating for losses with investments (plus a $ 400 billion contract) and political support.
      After that, China drastically cuts oil purchases from KSA (where does it buy it and at what price?) And the Saudis are forced to dump in order to maintain their market share.

      So much for the price collapse mechanism.

      This is not a Saudi-American conspiracy, but Russian-Chinese (plus possibly Iranian).
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 November 2014 12: 12 New
      0
      The next version of "KhitroPutinsky Plan" earned a plus
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 November 2014 12: 16 New
      -3
      "Russia has discovered giant deposits in the Arctic" ////

      One field has been discovered so far, and it belongs
      to "medium", not giant.
      Production from the Arctic shelf is extremely difficult. Technologies
      only the Norwegians and the British have.
      1. Andrey_K
        Andrey_K 11 November 2014 12: 32 New
        +2
        According to experts, the volume of resources will exceed such oil and gas provinces as the Gulf of Mexico, the Brazilian shelf, the Arctic shelf of Alaska and Canada and is comparable to the entire current resource base of Saudi Arabia
        - what if it is not gigantic?
        http://pravdoryb.info/pobeda-nad-sanktsiyami.html

        And this is just the beginning of drilling.
        According to forecasts of oil there is much more.

        Expenses are expensive only because of the high initial investment (for the construction of towers and northern infrastructure), when everything is built, the cost will fall sharply.
        It is no more expensive to transport oil by tankers directly from the tower than by tanks by rail or by pipeline.

        And technology:
        http://pro-arctic.ru/21/04/2014/news/7791
        Speaking at the Oil and Gas Conference of the Russian Arctic, Rosneft Vice President Andrei Shishkin also spoke about the company's plans to become a controlling shareholder of the Murmansk transport hub and create a base for offshore projects there. “We will manage the 82nd shipyard, where we are going to make the foundation for drilling platforms. We enter the Murmansk transport hub as controlling shareholders. The first base of offshore projects of Rosneft will be built here, ”said Shishkin.

        Those. they will build drilling rigs themselves.
  21. EvaFerrari
    EvaFerrari 11 November 2014 12: 03 New
    +2
    Somehow the situation with the decline in oil prices is very foggy, because it is not clear to whom it is really beneficial. In Russia, the story of a certain conspiracy is actively circulating, but is it really so? I won’t be surprised if our leadership somehow influenced this situation itself (everything is too complicated and thought out, for the Americans and Saudis this is an unsolvable task, but for our “chess players” in the Kremlin it’s quite). Here are some reasons why lowering oil prices is beneficial to Russia:
    1. GDP has long been saying that it’s time to get off the "oil needle".
    2. You cannot directly get off this "needle", because oligarchs today are strong enough, so the best solution is to create an excuse for them to leave this business on their own.
    3. The low oil price is forcing oligarchs to look for other ways to save their bucks. Taking them abroad under the threat of sanctions is a big risk. Much more prospects for saving and accumulating money appear inside the country, namely, there is a reason to invest in real production.
    4. Cheaper oil - naturally, a threat to the country's budget, which is formed mainly from petrodollars. To implement the budget, it’s very opportune to have a ruble depreciation (no one is going to collapse it, they will keep it afloat so that people don’t get very nervous).
    5. At such a pace, in 1-2 years, the money invested by the oligarchs in production will begin to slowly generate profits, which in the form of taxes will gradually replace petrodollars in the budget.
    6. After 5 years, competitive production appears in the country, for the most part, Russian products replace imported ones, new jobs appear, the influence of the petrodollar on the budget decreases (Russia will continue to sell oil and gas, this is not to be gotten, but the revenues from this trade are not so critical to the budget).
    7. Everyone is happy and happy))))

    PS: maybe too utopian ideas, but why not?
    1. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 11 November 2014 12: 19 New
      +3
      That's it.
      There are no particular negative effects of low oil prices on the Russian economy.
      The budget is balanced.
      (only non-performing funds will fill up more slowly)
      Russia is concluding a bunch of useful agreements with China - haven’t these two countries come up with any mutually beneficial conspiracy (it’s not like the fools of both in the leadership)?
      Do not believe in such disinterested resilience of China in the matter of protection from sanctions.
      Well, for the American oil industry, low prices are a disaster, so unpleasant that it is unclear how until now no one has thought of dropping prices in order to arrange a “pleasant” life for them.
      There is experience - just as plans for a universal transition to biofuel were buried.
  22. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 11 November 2014 12: 26 New
    +1
    Coming soon: oil at 70 dollars per barrel
    No matter how much oil costs on the world market, gasoline in Russia will never be cheap, because taxes and fees comprise 65% of the cost of 1 liter of gasoline.
    Who cares, here is a link to an article in the WG for 2013. about the cost of 1 liter of gasoline. http://www.rg.ru/2013/08/01/benzin.html hi
  23. Evg_K
    Evg_K 11 November 2014 12: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Renat
    The decline in oil prices at one time was one of the stages of a multi-pass plan for the collapse of the USSR. But our government, controlled by the oligarchic clans, did not succeed and did not want to get off this needle.

    Not only the decline in oil prices led to the collapse of the USSR, and this was not a decisive factor. The USSR was forced to import food, mainly grain from the USA and Canada, for foreign exchange earnings from energy sales. As a result of falling oil prices, foreign exchange earnings began to be insufficient to provide the country with bread and, among other things, the United States imposed an embargo on grain supplies at one time. So the country was facing real hunger. And plus the ineffective leadership of the country represented by Comrade. Gorbachev and others like him.
    Currently, the situation is completely different. In addition to energy exports, Russia also exports grain. And if I have bread and firewood, I will survive an unfavorable period, unlike someone who has an iPhone and no firewood. And for firewood in the harsh winter, an iPhone will be given away when the firewood runs out. So "getting off the needle" is not a substitution of one’s raw material income for something else (although another is also needed), but an increase in one’s own food security. This problem for basic foodstuffs seems to be solved by 90%. And now for this favorable conditions. Sanctions and a cheap ruble, which is beneficial for own producers, since imports will be expensive. If the issue of cheap credit for agricultural producers is resolved, the problem will be even more solved.
  24. Urri
    Urri 11 November 2014 13: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey_K
    Such is conspiracy thesis.


    I even pushed, but this concept does not spell the war in Ukraine.
    1. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 11 November 2014 13: 13 New
      0
      It even fits.
      The Maidan and the overthrow of Yanukovych — it was Washington’s attack on Russia's position (Crimea is a counterattack, and Donbas is local initiative, interference of events).
      And world oil prices are Putin’s asymmetric response to the Americans, including sanctions.
  25. _my opinion
    _my opinion 11 November 2014 13: 08 New
    +1
    I note that amer is favored by a rather high oil price - a higher price, more demand for their dollar paper.
  26. Urri
    Urri 11 November 2014 13: 40 New
    +1
    [quote = _ my opinion] I note that amer is advantageous for a rather high oil price - higher price, more demand for their dollar paper. [/ quote]

    Just the opposite. A clear dependence: lower oil prices - higher than the bucks. And, accordingly, its capitalization / purchasing power for other goods.

    quote = Andrei_K] Maidan and the overthrow of Yanukovych - this was Washington’s attack on Russia's position [/ quote]

    Like, a preemptive strike on insider intelligence in an attempt to prevent an upcoming attack on shale gas by a concerted game of lowering the price of oil China / Russia / Arabia (everyone has their own interest in this option, of course)?
    China gets cheap raw materials, Russia kills an ugly competitor, Saudi Arabia is growing market share. About 2 months ago, the prince came to Putin from the southeast, so it might even be.
    Therefore, homework in response to sanctions, and calm reaction to them, and a sluggish reaction to the jumping of the ruble? But in this case, it’s not even chess. These are round drafts (Go).
    1. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 11 November 2014 15: 58 New
      0
      If Guo, then without the Chinese could not do.
      Here is Crimea - it was chess.

      And the ruble, such an impression fell according to plan (above).

      The Central Bank not only did not interfere, but also issued ruble liquidity to banks, which they immediately spent in the foreign exchange market.

      Those. “speculators” are large Russian banks (VTB, Sberbank, etc.)

      It is likely that it was necessary to lower the ruble in order to tear off the maximum price from foreigners (withdrawing capital from Russian markets).

      Now, if the sanctions are suddenly lifted, the ruble can greatly strengthen (so that returning foreigners can sell the ruble at a different rate).
      Or maybe he will get stronger.
  27. Rose of Wind
    Rose of Wind 11 November 2014 13: 50 New
    -1
    oil-dollar-war. old timeless script. or it can be changed by another, say, gas-yuan-world.
  28. cergey51046
    cergey51046 11 November 2014 14: 23 New
    0
    Relations are market, do not sell if the price does not suit or destroy competitors.
  29. equity
    equity 11 November 2014 15: 25 New
    +1
    The consumption of fuel and lubricants, that is, the oil consumption in the world, is not being crushed, therefore the fall in prices is precisely a political one from the USA with their western lackeys and Middle Eastern puppets, especially against Russia!
  30. sanyavolhv
    sanyavolhv 11 November 2014 16: 07 New
    0
    health
    I have a certain thought WITHOUT a logical EXPLANATION. just a scumbag tells me about the simple fact that there may be some forces interested in living without oil. that’s so noticeable without oil ....
    moreover, these forces live in Russia .... import substitution .... a certain ace of trumps in a hand that no one has ever noticed .... well, for example, the simplest technology for producing hydrogen for 3 kopecks ....
    Well, I have such a chuyka.
  31. Urri
    Urri 11 November 2014 16: 29 New
    0
    Quote: sanyavolhv
    Well, for example, the simplest technology for producing hydrogen for 3 kopecks ....
    Well, I have such a chuyka.


    Only this oil consumption does not exclude. Up to 40% of oil consumption is petrochemicals, i.e., the production of polymers, paints, varnishes, solvents, adhesives, putties. This is an exponentially growing carbon fiber, it's tires. And other, and other, and other.
  32. den3080
    den3080 11 November 2014 22: 20 New
    0
    I think that the United States bent the Arabs (there are Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait and all the rest), and that is what Muslim faithful drop the oil price.
    And the method of bending is quite commonplace.
    The main thing is not oil, but money from its sale. This money is far from all spent on improving the welfare of the population of Arab oil-oases. I believe that a huge (most) part of this money is spinning, investing (investing) just in the West and not from yesterday, and already half a century will be soon, as "untold wealth" is accumulating.
    So try to disobey - you will lose everything that is acquired by overwork. “Freeze”, fine, etc. etc., the reason is especially unnecessary in modern times, because those Arabs didn’t have any democracy, they cut their hands in the squares, and there are BOSHKs, they stone their aunts with stones ...
    And you still can’t sit on the throne in addition.
    So it’s better not to worry.
  33. Bob
    Bob 11 November 2014 23: 33 New
    0
    The West, together with Saudi Arabia, used information and economic weapons against Russia.
    This war, according to America's plan, should weaken the country, contribute to social tensions in society and ultimately lead to the collapse of the state (as they did in relation to the USSR) through a revolution or intervention of the West in the country, or both ( type of intervention of the Entente after the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks in tsarist Russia).
    These are the goals of the West. And all the events of the past year testify to this: the appointment by the US ambassador to Russia of a specialist on revolutions, economic sanctions, now the collapse of the oil market and the collapse of the ruble.
    Oil prices collapse rapidly, and the lower limit is still very far. For oil, like any product, such a limit is the cost price - costs. If you take the largest oil producer in the world - Saudi Arabia - then the cost of this Middle Eastern (easily mined and transported) oil is minimal - only $ 2 per barrel. The cost of Russian oil is an order of magnitude greater, and this is not taking into account the investment costs of developing new fields.
    In 1998 -2000 the price of oil was $ 20 per barrel, and sometimes dropped to $ 10. http://news.yandex.ru/quotes/1006.html
    The big threat to the Russian economy from the oil market is that half of the Russian budget is generated from the sale of gas and oil, and more than 70% of export revenue comes from hydrocarbons (pipe economy). At the same time, the ruble to dollar exchange rate is formed solely under the influence of oil prices and the actions of currency speculators. At 110 dollars per barrel of oil, the ruble exchange rate was -30 rubles per dollar, at 100 dollars per barrel - 35 rubles per dollar, at 90 dollars per barrel - 40 rubles per dollar, and so on. There is a magic formula by which the ruble to dollar exchange rate is set for the cost of oil per barrel: ruble exchange rate = 3700 / barrel price of oil in $. It is not difficult to calculate what the exchange rate will be for the price of oil on the market - $ 60, $ 50, $ 40, $ 30. Of course, forecasts are ungrateful.
    The Ministry of Finance of Russia has prepared a shock scenario for the Russian economy at an oil price of $ 60 per barrel. Then the ruble exchange rate will be 60 rubles per dollar.
    However, the Ministry of Finance did not take into account the fact that economic weapons were purposefully used against Russia, and until the West has reached its goals, it will bring down the oil market even to the detriment of its economic interests, sacrificing the profit of oil producing companies (all the more so since shale oil is 2/3 dated , and the US market will not remain without oil). Iran (the third world economy for oil production) will play its role here, after lifting economic sanctions from it, Iranian oil will pour into the market, leading to an imbalance of the entire market, and for a very long time.
    That is, the market is likely to stabilize at around $ 30-40 per barrel of oil. Then the exchange rate of the Russian ruble will be 90-120 rubles per dollar, which will cause a shock in the Russian economy, namely the shock among the population (which is what the organizers of this war are seeking).
    At the same time, the country's budget (financial system) will suffer to a lesser extent, ordinary citizens will experience all the hardships and hardships. The fact is that oil producers sell oil for dollars, and then convert them into rubles at the market rate, so the budget will in any case receive the planned amount of taxes in rubles, and then distribute them across the economy to pay salaries, including. That is, officials in chocolate - they fulfilled all their promises on social benefits to pensioners and state employees. Another thing is the population - what can they buy on the market at the ruble exchange rate - 110 rubles per dollar and the increasing tax burden on citizens, high inflation, and a decrease in real wages ?!
  34. Bob
    Bob 11 November 2014 23: 34 New
    0
    Thus, Russia, as the USSR once had, does not have such a big choice - 1) to pretend that nothing happened and move the same course into the economic and social abyss (which VVP does for now explaining the increased ruble exchange rate by speculative pressure) 2) to accept the challenge of the countries represented by Saudi Arabia, the USA and act asymmetrically not only by economic measures but also by military and political
  35. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 12 November 2014 01: 55 New
    0
    Who can enlighten?
    If the price per barrel, for example, drops from 100 bucks to 80, then it turns out that from each barrel 20 bucks is not a lot. Every day, the world actually consumes somewhere around 90 million barrels. I do not even take into account futures transactions. That is, somewhere around 9 billion dollars at a price of 100 per barrel. If, as I wrote above, 20 bucks from each barrel are out of work when the price drops to 80, then it turns out that $ 1,8 billion freezes every day. 10 days is already 18 billion, and a hundred days 180 billion. So where is such a bunch of bucks disposed of when it ceases to participate in the oil trade? And this is considering that the mass of bucks is already too large.
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 12 November 2014 01: 57 New
      0
      Quote: NeSvyatoy
      and a hundred days 180 billion. So where is such a bunch of bucks disposed of when it ceases to participate in the oil trade? And this is considering that the mass of bucks is already too large.

      laughing This is virtual money !!! This is zilch ..., bubble ... not even paper! laughing
  36. Klim2011
    Klim2011 12 November 2014 08: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Good afternoon,
    I did not produce a scoop of absolutely all types of machine tools ever. Always bought for gold from the bourgeoisie. The same aircraft carrier was made on the Krupp bourgeois machine tools. Things were not going smoothly with airplanes either. They made noise and smoked so much that they did not want to let them into Europe.

    Professor, do you personally call immigrants from the USSR "scoops" in Israel or are you afraid to get in person?
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 November 2014 10: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Klim2011
      Professor, do you personally call immigrants from the USSR "scoops" in Israel or are you afraid to get in person?

      And there is. Most of them are scoops and I tell them that in person. And it’s not customary to give a face here.
      1. Klim2011
        Klim2011 12 November 2014 22: 52 New
        0
        Ok, those disputes with your opponents “scoops” go without physical assault. But in response, they, too, should somehow call you derogatoryly, but I wonder how, don’t you tell me? hi
  37. 538246
    538246 12 November 2014 10: 08 New
    0
    Recently, we have been trading oil and gas on the right and on the left. At the moment, offers both in Europe and on the American continent are enough for energy sources and the supply of raw materials. Everything is sold only with a slowdown in economic growth. Bitumen and boiler fuel - this is not all that is made of oil. Oil is used to make lubricants. Lubricants, hydraulic oils, electrical insulating oils, cutting oils, plastic greases, plastics, fabrics and films of formalin petroleum jelly are obtained from this natural resource. We need a project like BAMA, transferring the capital to the development of the Far East. Finally, bring roads to mind. There and there stable ruble for all this petrochemicals will go. We feed everyone with one pipe or another. Oil will end sooner or later even among Arabs. My forecast for $ 70 oil will not be a very sweet price for the growing Chinese economy.
  38. den3080
    den3080 12 November 2014 15: 53 New
    +1
    It is clear that there will be no oil at $ 70. And the fall in oil prices is a temporary phenomenon.

    They’ll knock Putin over, with the hands of indignant Russians, they will elevate some Nemtsov to the throne, and again he will leave above $ 100 per barrel.
    You can refuse profit only temporarily and for great goals, forever refuse - there are no fools.

    Such a plan, as I understand it, is rather one of the components of the plan to bring Russia to the stall.

    But it may not work out ... tady oh))) the "strategists" themselves may be in the stall.