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Ministry of Defense of the LPR: Kiev is pulling Scud ballistic missile systems into the conflict zone

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The commander of the 4 th motorized rifle brigade of the Defense Ministry of the Luhansk People's Republic, Alexander Bednov, reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are pulling up Grad, Uragan, and tactical missiles Scud in the conflict zone. As is known, the Ukrainian side withdrew its signatures on the creation of a dividing line and the withdrawal of heavy vehicles, artillery installations and MLRS outside the buffer zone.

Ministry of Defense of the LPR: Kiev is pulling Scud ballistic missile systems into the conflict zone


RIA News, referring to the main military department of the LC, states that Kiev is preparing Scud missiles for new massive shelling of the cities of the Luhansk People's Republic.

The Scud missile is a Soviet-made liquid single-stage ballistic missile.

Meanwhile, back in the 2007 year, according to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the missiles of this class were removed from service. And in 2011, Ukraine distributed information that missiles of this class (P-17) were fully utilized.

If the reports of Alexander Bednova are confirmed, then it turns out that Kiev did not utilize all the available missile systems of this type.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 8 November 2014 14: 05
    +20
    If the reports of Alexander Bednova are confirmed, then it turns out that Kiev did not utilize all the available missile systems of this type.
    Even if this infa is confirmed, then what is their combat value. When did the missiles go through warranty service and inspection?
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 8 November 2014 14: 09
      +122
      Kiev Junta lives in its own little world


      FIELD OF DREAMS.

      Putin: Ukraine, you got the Prize sector. And the prizes today are from the sponsor - the European Union!
      Ukraine - I am taking the prize!
      Putin - I propose not to open the black box, and give you a discount on gas.
      Ukraine - I am taking the prize!
      Putin - In addition to discounts on gas, we give you benefits for the supply of your goods to Russia and the CIS countries.
      Ukraine - Prize!
      Putin (looks into the black box) - Instead of the contents of this black box, I offer you gas discounts, incentives for the supply of your goods to Russia and the CIS, and 15 billions of dollars more, without any conditions.
      Ukraine - Prize!
      Putin - as you want ... (takes out cookies from a black box)
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 8 November 2014 14: 44
        +55
        Quote: herruvim
        FIELD OF DREAMS.


        Article Rusin suggested not put. A pity - cool.

        Eurofig
        The main problem of the Ukrainian economy is the eurofig.

        Evrofiga is in a secret room, the door to which is unlocked with a gold key. There is a colorful canvas hanging in front of the door, which depicts a mass of different nishtyaks, at one glance at which every Ukrainian's heart stops, he swallows noisily and says: "with a tude!"

        The first in this door Rushed Yushchenko.

        Having taken away the golden key from Kuchma, Uncle Vitya raised the canvas, opened the door and went inside. Inside was a eurofig. Attempts to milk the eurofigure results have not brought. Attempts to suck, gnaw, sniff, insert into different places did not turn around.


        To confess to the people that there is a figure behind the door, Yushchenko did not dare. Remove the canvas - even more so. Loser Buratin was afraid of lynching and passed the golden key in turn to the next challenger.

        Yanukovych opened the door with hope and apprehension.

        The experience of Yushchenko and the old thievish instinct prompted Viktor Fedorovich that something was wrong in this fairy tale. The fifth point was smelling some kind of trick. Yanukovych, just in case, did not send Russia into three letters even before opening the door and, as it soon turned out, he did the right thing. Finding Evrofi behind the door, Yanukovych puzzled out of the canvas. Then he looked again. Evrofiga not changed. Cornucopia is not visible. Timid attempts to suck evurfury result did not bring. Time after time, Yanukovych crawled out from under the canvas and returned to the Russian tit, simple and harsh, but extremely stable.

        The people watching the manipulation, suspected something was wrong. Thoughts appeared in the crowd that Yanukovych was scoffing - he crawls under the canvas, but does not give people. Itself is applied to something tasty, but it does not allow others. When the level of popular anger began to approach a critical point, Yanukovych tried to explain that there really was a fig behind the door. The people took the answer as impudent lies and sneering at the workers. The golden key has been selected. New contenders for the role of Buratin built, pronounced the count with a predictable result and solemnly handed the golden key Poroshenko.

        Poroshenko opened the door with a view of the winner.

        Solemnly, demonstrating to everyone the golden key in profile and full face, reminding that with this key the previous pinnacle had under-discovered something, but now everything will be open until it stops, after which the cornucopia will be shed on Ukraine and Poroshenko I opened the door, once again smiled at the public and ... went inside.

        Behind the door of the winner was waiting for the same eurofig.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 8 November 2014 20: 34
          +10
          News from the militia of New Russia
          Today in 16: 20
          08.11.14 16: 16 Message from a resident of Lugansk

          "And our howitzers are still shooting - they convey warm greetings to the fascists.
          Otvetka no.
          I can not disclose the sources, but the information is this: oh, they will start to drive evil spirits from our land, and so that the heels will get stuck in the back of my head.
          Khloptsi, ticking for good on health, it is not too late. Spit on your commanders. Go back to the families, to your friends. It's warm and cozy, they love you and wait there. "
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 9 November 2014 02: 03
            +2
            Do not forget, because the Field of Miracles is in the country of fools (the original location of the field).
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        2. Flinky
          Flinky 8 November 2014 22: 01
          +1
          An article about the eurofig has already been here.
      2. Duke
        Duke 8 November 2014 17: 43
        +10
        P-17 (rocket index - 8K14, according to the classification of the US and NATO Defense Forces - SS-1c Scud B, export designation R-300, unofficially - “kerosene”) - a Soviet liquid single-stage ballistic missile based on long-stored fuel components that is part of an operational-tactical missile system 9K72 "Elbrus".
        Main technical characteristics:
        Maximum range: 300 km
        The thrown weight: ~ 990 kg
        Accuracy (CVO): 450 m
        Head part:
        * High-explosive 8F44 - 987 kg (~ 700 kg TGAG-5)
        * Chemical:
        ** 3Н8 - 1016 kg (OB: mustard gas, lewisite)
        ** 8Ф44Г / 8Ф44Г1 - 985 kg (555 kg ОВ V / VX)
        * Nuclear:
        ** 269A in the case of 8Ф14 - 989 kg, 10 ct (charge like RDS-4)
        ** PA17 (PA17-2, PA17-3) in the case 9Н33 - 989 kg, 300 ct
        ** PA104 in the 9H33-1 copus - 989 kg, 20 ct
        ** PA104-01 in the case 9Н33-1 - 989 kg, 200 ct
        ** PA104-02 in the case 9Н33-1 - 989 kg, 500 ct
        1. 73bor
          73bor 8 November 2014 19: 26
          +3
          It looks like an unverified infa, for dill and the "dot" flies in two, but this one is not a word, well, except that the nearest neighbors have put it.
          1. vtnsk
            vtnsk 9 November 2014 02: 06
            +3
            "Dots-U" (probably) are over, so they are pulling what else can potentially fly. Although where it will "fly" (and whether it will "fly" in general) is difficult to say now ... smile
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 9 November 2014 02: 08
            +2
            Iskanders to New Russia!
        2. THERAPIST
          THERAPIST 8 November 2014 20: 37
          +5
          Ah ... no !! They waited for the gift. Here is the result of a truce. Suicide is kind. I felt this, well, Ukrainians can’t do it without dirty tricks. .Ukrainians will massively kill the peacekeeper. Only the offensive will save. It was not possible to sit out in the trenches, not fate!
          1. THERAPIST
            THERAPIST 8 November 2014 20: 49
            0
            To the author of the article. Skad used to be operational-tactical. Maybe they changed her classification and made it tactical?
    2. Stanislav 1978
      Stanislav 1978 8 November 2014 14: 10
      +24
      Quote: svp67
      Even if this infa is confirmed, then what is their combat value. When did the missiles go through warranty service and inspection?

      I climbed a little on the Internet - "Since 1988, the production of 8K14 (8K14-1) missiles at the Votkinsk plant has been discontinued. Taking into account the fact that the technical usefulness of the rocket is 22 years (the gyro devices must be replaced after 20 years of operation), at present, the technical usefulness is all missiles fired at the Votkinsk plant have expired. This is the main reason for the withdrawal of the R-17 missiles from service. "
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 November 2014 14: 22
        +32
        Quote: Stanislav 1978
        This is the main reason for the removal of the R-17 missiles from service. "
        But in that case, I would stop sleeping in place of the inhabitants of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and possibly Summ, Poltava, Kiev and Kherson ... a rocket with a flight range of 300 km, maybe the devil knows where to fly ... by the way and on our territory ...
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 8 November 2014 15: 47
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          maybe hell knows where to fly

          Except for talking about the destruction of more than 180 Scuds by Ukraine and their removal from service. The question begs itself. And how many Scuds and what option is left in Ukraine?
        2. vtnsk
          vtnsk 9 November 2014 02: 08
          +1
          You can put the "question" in another way: will it fly at all? ... laughing
          1. ksv1973
            ksv1973 9 November 2014 13: 15
            0
            Quote: vtnsk
            You can put the "question" in another way: will it fly at all? ... laughing

            Given the quality factor and durability of weapons produced in the USSR, I think that, unfortunately, will fly. Now, if she was in the hands of the militia - then fortunately.
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      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 8 November 2014 14: 38
        +4
        Quote: Stanislav 1978
        At present, the technical usability of all rockets launched at the Votkinsk plant has expired.

        Well, this applies to what is not serviced.
        The Skatov operators were: Hungary, East Germany, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria,
        this is from the nearest "import". “Our friends” have been preparing for the Syrian massacre for almost 20 years, and “in” the outskirts is hardly different.
        Therefore: I am not good at using pershing.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 8 November 2014 15: 36
          +4
          Quote: Papakiko
          Therefore: I am not good at using pershing.

          Actually, Pershing with a nuclear warhead with a range of up to 1770 km. Allow application?
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 8 November 2014 16: 33
            +9
            Quote: Bayonet
            Actually, Pershing with a nuclear warhead with a range of up to 1770 km. Allow application?

            Comrad, do you think it is impossible to place up to 1,5 tons of conventional warheads on "pawns"?
            They will designate kaknit ... well, they with "imagination" - designate CALCM Block 0.1 or something like that.
            In contrast to the USSR, the "type" mattress on the stands burned the first steps, and the rest was hidden in warehouses.
            Where do they spend about 200 missiles then, if not for those (Slavs-Sarmatians -....) against whom they were designed?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 9 November 2014 09: 48
              0
              Quote: Papakiko

              Comrad, do you think it is impossible to place up to 1,5 tons of conventional warheads on "pawns"?

              Everything is possible if you want, but it is necessary to create a new warhead and, in general, the use of these missiles in Ukraine, dealing with serious political consequences.
        2. svp67
          svp67 8 November 2014 17: 19
          +3
          Quote: Papakiko
          Therefore: I am not good at using pershing.
          Faster than Tomahawks and much faster than Helfires ...
      3. avg
        avg 8 November 2014 17: 13
        +11
        It is necessary to strictly warn dill so that they do not even think of approaching closer to 300 km to our border, but it is better to make a reserve of 50-100 km, and then with this North-South Minister, hell knows where she will fly. It would be nice to the East-West. Ugh, damn, completely confused, in short, to visit the Poles, to convey greetings to Valence.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 8 November 2014 17: 54
          +21
          Specialists are kidding, but to me, representing the consequences for the civilian population is not funny. Such satellite boxes should be visible. If it is impossible for the militia to provide air defense facilities adequate to the threat, at least our regular systems should be moved closer to the border and brought down under the pretext that they were flying in our direction. I would be a deputy now, I would not give peace to anyone. And so, who will hear me. If warheads with a thermobaric charge are in these scopes, entire blocks will be demolished.
          Where are the skads from? There was infa a few months ago that some private company registered in the Czech Republic was buying up Soviet weapons systems in eastern Europe in the former Warsaw Pact countries.
        2. Cristall
          Cristall 9 November 2014 16: 18
          0
          Quote: avg
          It is necessary to strictly warn dill, so that closer 300 km to our border

          300 km is half of Ukraine, in fact ... could it even ban Lvov from breathing further?
          Not a note of protest is possible, but Kiev openly spit on the Kremlin in this regard.
          And the answer will be in the style of GDP - where we want on our territory there and we will shoot.
          In their place, I would have done the same in cases of such notes. Well, or as in a joke about the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 9 November 2014 19: 27
            0
            Quote: Cristall
            Quote: avg
            It is necessary to strictly warn dill, so that closer 300 km to our border

            300 km is half of Ukraine, in fact ... could it even ban Lvov from breathing further?
            Not a note of protest is possible, but Kiev openly spit on the Kremlin in this regard.
            And the answer will be in the style of GDP - where we want on our territory there and we will shoot.
            In their place, I would have done the same in cases of such notes. Well, or as in a joke about the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

            The length of Ukraine from east to west is 1494 km
      4. Not served
        Not served 8 November 2014 20: 02
        +2
        And Votkinsk is also the birthplace of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky.
      5. tolancop
        tolancop 8 November 2014 20: 20
        +1
        Not basic. You confuse the cause with the effect. The complex is exceptionally reliable, but very cumbersome - there are a lot of support machines. And too long to prepare for launch. If the memory serves, then at least 20 minutes against 5 for the SS-20. That is why they switched to solid-fuel operational-tactical missiles.
        1. THERAPIST
          THERAPIST 8 November 2014 20: 55
          0
          ss20 for 5 minutes?. To prepare the platform, under the supports, under the rear bump, hang out on the supports, push the top device down, unwind and join cables, etc.
      6. THERAPIST
        THERAPIST 8 November 2014 20: 43
        0
        There is nothing to break in this rocket. The gyroscopes will spin for another 100 years, made by our hard workers in Leningrad. The steering cars can be turned and turned. Change the battery and the fuel. I think the wiring has not dried out if its mice are not eaten. Any mortar gunner will aim. A ton of explosives, almost like an FAA 2. And there is no metro in Donetsk. You can’t escape from it in the basements.
      7. Gomel
        Gomel 8 November 2014 23: 47
        +2
        1988 + 22 = 2010 year
        Considering the traditional reliability of the Rakteno artillery of the USSR, there is still time before the 2015 year. Will fly. and work. Unfortunately.
        if the specialists do not work :) some sort of ASVK or Barrett M80-99 or ORSIS or Steyr 2000
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 9 November 2014 13: 09
          0
          Quote: Gomel
          if the specialists do not work :) some sort of ASVK or Barrett M80-99 or ORSIS or Steyr 2000

          It is not difficult for them to “deal with” not only long-range snipers, but also to destroy the enemy’s lightly armored vehicles in the form of TACTICAL Rocket Launchers, BRDM or radar.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 November 2014 14: 10
      +23
      And it was quiet all night and morning, and the hour of Naz began an intense cannonade somewhere far away.

      08.11.14/13/30 XNUMX:XNUMX Message from the militia

      "After the morning" silence ", the Ukrainians began shelling with artillery in the area of ​​the Airport. Clashes resumed on takeoff, where the Ukrainians are again trying to gain a foothold with equipment. There is also information about the beginning of clashes in the area of ​​the settlement of Avdeevka. From the Debaltseve area at about 13:10 ( Moscow time), the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to strike at the vicinity of Nikishino. The LPR reports that the militiamen managed to ring about eighty security officers from the 24th Lviv mechanized brigade on Bakhmutka. "
      1. Yarik
        Yarik 8 November 2014 15: 03
        +12
        “We advocate the continuation of the Minsk process and advocate holding the next meeting of the contact group. But not everything depends on us. There are many factors, ”said Putin’s assistant, Yuri Ushakov.

        The Kremlin, after voting in eastern Ukraine, said that it "respects the will of the people." Ushakov at a briefing on Friday said that this does not mean recognition. (Reuters)

        Here uk-ry little hands and dissolve.
        1. saag
          saag 8 November 2014 16: 41
          +3
          Quote: Yarik
          We stand for the continuation of the Minsk process

          And before that there were words of commitment to the February accords ...
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    5. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 8 November 2014 14: 12
      +5
      The lower the combat value - the more understandable why they were brought to positions - Ukrainians think that they are suitable for intimidating the population.
      I never thought that ex-brothers are capable of this.
    6. MIV999
      MIV999 8 November 2014 14: 22
      +11
      And in 2011, Ukraine disseminated information that missiles of this class (R-17) were completely disposed of.

      If the reports of Alexander Bednova are confirmed, then it turns out that Kiev did not utilize all the available missile systems of this type.

      The main conclusion is different: Kiev NEVER and IN ANYTHING you can not believe yes ... such a country belay ... Moreover, one cannot take a word negative ...
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 8 November 2014 16: 05
        -1
        Quote: MIV999
        The main conclusion is different: Kiev NEVER and IN ANYTHING you can not believe ... such a country

        Yeah, and Paris is the capital of Rome ... What did you have in school in geography? Kiev is a city, not a country. Power there was seized by "come in large numbers" Galicians. Judging by their actions about the whole country is wrong.
        1. izGOI
          izGOI 8 November 2014 22: 29
          +2
          But that according to the actions of the government they judge the whole country, this is also true.
          Quote: revnagan
          Power there was seized by Galicians who came in large numbers

          Not captured, but the "myto-hero" voluntarily surrendered to the Bandera troops, and even helped them.
          And do not say that this was not !!!
    7. SHILO
      SHILO 8 November 2014 14: 27
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      Even if this infa is confirmed, then what is their combat value.


      You forget that only quilted jackets, colorado, terrorists, extremists and separatists live here exclusively ... what ABOUT! In consumption! And for this all is enough to get il Lugansk to Donetsk. Flew - here you have the combat value sad .
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 November 2014 17: 22
        +4
        Quote: SHILO
        Flew - here you have the combat value
        Yes, the trouble is that it can fly, in this case, IN ANY DIRECTION, where the WONDERFUL "brains" will send it ...
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 8 November 2014 18: 01
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: SHILO
          Flew - here you have the combat value
          Yes, the trouble is that it can fly, in this case, IN ANY DIRECTION, where the WONDERFUL "brains" will send it ...


          Your speeches to God for a meeting (in terms of flight in the Kuevsky direction laughing ).
          But I'm afraid of them and "kuevsky flight" FSUs ... winked - run. They also need to get rid of extra people and what you (in the sense of the average Kuwaiti) will skip is not enough argument to save your national Svidomo darling. wink
    8. Denis fj
      Denis fj 8 November 2014 14: 39
      +6
      1. The range of the Scud missile is up to 300 km, and the Tochka-U missile is up to 120 km. So the characteristics are not very similar. Please check the information sometimes before posting.
      2. After the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine, the complex was decommissioned in 2007, and on April 12, 2011, its disposal was completed. According to some sources, 185 military missiles, 50 launchers, and other equipment and machinery were utilized (due to US funding). Moreover, according to the statement of the Ukrainian side, until 1998 in Ukraine there were 117 R-17 launchers, and 63 of them were dismantled by Ukraine at their own expense until 2005.
      So who brought it there?
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 8 November 2014 15: 08
        +12
        The Scout B of the upgraded, armed with Iraq was about 500 m. Ukrainians generally have old missiles, even if they take off, it is not clear where they will fly at all! I hope at least one deviates and gets into the Rada! hi
    9. APES
      APES 8 November 2014 15: 18
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      what is their combat value


      and what is their political value?

      the launch of such crap in the direction of Russia can be seen as an act of direct aggression, and after that even ban Ki-moon and Obama will not help .....
      1. saag
        saag 8 November 2014 16: 43
        +8
        Quote: APES
        the launch of such crap in the direction of Russia can be seen as an act of direct aggression

        And when the shells burst in the territory of the Rostov region, there even a person died, so what?
      2. svp67
        svp67 8 November 2014 17: 23
        +3
        Quote: APES
        and after that, even Ban Ki-moon and Obama will not help .....
        they say that the militia launched, and Russia delivered ... You do not allow this?
      3. ermolai
        ermolai 8 November 2014 20: 06
        +3
        so it probably also want it, from the regional committee go there was an order. and the satellites probably focused. and articles are scribbled. bananas are overdue.
    10. Giant thought
      Giant thought 8 November 2014 16: 18
      +3
      Here, apparently, substantial assistance from Russia will be needed to neutralize these missiles.
    11. VIA_56
      VIA_56 8 November 2014 16: 23
      +7
      Do not forget that missile weapons in the USSR were made with a huge margin of safety. Therefore, these missiles continue to have very huge combat potential.
      These creatures must be tied to warheads and sent to flight.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 8 November 2014 20: 44
        +1
        At one time he served in the GSVG precisely at the Tochka complex in the 32nd tank division, he himself drove the Ural_375n KShM, and now it is very annoying to hear about these missiles failures, twist them they simply do not happen, at one time he made one missile brigade from 4 missile divisions.
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    12. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 8 November 2014 16: 49
      +4
      Even if this infa is confirmed, then what is their combat value. When did the missiles go through warranty service and inspection?
      I don’t know. My brother served in the air defense (S-300 complex) in 2001-2003, so every second missile went away with burnouts during training, I understand that this is not a S-300, but the meaning is the same and it took another + 11-13 years.
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    14. Peacemaker of the USSR
      Peacemaker of the USSR 8 November 2014 17: 09
      +8
      Even if 10% of the missiles reach the "target", it will not seem a little. "Scud", although curve, is 2 times more powerful than "Tochka".
    15. Valentine77 64
      Valentine77 64 8 November 2014 19: 36
      +4
      I do not remember who said, but: "ALL GOLD OF THE WORLD IS NOT WORTH A CHILD'S TEAR" (not literal). When the Nazis come to my house, I will do what a loving father must do.
      1. Varangian22
        Varangian22 8 November 2014 20: 50
        -4
        More specifically, you can announce what you will do.
    16. Alex1966a
      Alex1966a 8 November 2014 23: 47
      0
      Enough for the civilians ...
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 8 November 2014 14: 05
    +1
    Well, if so then let them try to test it in the cities of Novorossiya ... I would not advise them to do it .. "Russian World" is patient for the time being ..
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 8 November 2014 14: 08
      +10
      And what will hinder?
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 8 November 2014 16: 01
        +1
        Lack of availability prevents :)
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  3. HAM
    HAM 8 November 2014 14: 06
    +7
    trust kuev-do not respect yourself.
  4. glitchy
    glitchy 8 November 2014 14: 07
    +16
    I had to take part in Scud launches more than once and be in the target wound, this is a terrible weapon, a very scary one. If infa is true, what will the OSCE say now?
    1. Steel loli
      Steel loli 8 November 2014 14: 57
      +10
      They say that Russians are shelling Ukraine with Iskanders.
      Infa 100%
    2. plut-k
      plut-k 8 November 2014 15: 07
      +4
      And what did you say before that? Or does something indicate a change in their position?
    3. Drunya
      Drunya 8 November 2014 18: 26
      +10
      Quote: glotich
      this is a terrible weapon, very scary. If infa is true, what will the OSCE say now?

      Yes FSUs for this OSCE, it's time to think what WE will do.
  5. little thing
    little thing 8 November 2014 14: 09
    -6
    So maybe the liquid warheads still have nuclear warheads? Why are Putin and the Russian leadership sleeping? Who needs a government that, without resistance, surrenders the Russian state to be torn to pieces? The fifth column feels free and at ease in Russia, banks rob the population, oligarchs keep their savings in the West, who needs it !!!
    1. Drunya
      Drunya 8 November 2014 18: 27
      0
      Quote: thing
      Who needs a government that, without resistance, surrenders the Russian state to be torn to pieces?

      offer maidan ???
    2. sokrat7
      sokrat7 8 November 2014 20: 12
      +6
      Russia has two threats - external and internal. External is the USA and today's EU. External threatens our state. And here the President is doing everything in his power to prevent aggression against Russia. And the internal one is our Government, which threatens our people. Pay attention to the decisions made by the Government. Almost all of them threaten the well-being of people: health care reform, education. Pension reform is generally a song. The Government has business interests in the foreground. People for them are dust.
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  7. Man1
    Man1 8 November 2014 14: 12
    +11
    It is good that the Ukrainians have no nuclear weapons. Baska doesn’t cook. fool
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 8 November 2014 14: 54
      +6
      Quote: Man1
      It is good that the Ukrainians have no nuclear weapons. Baska doesn’t cook. fool

      Just if it were, Kiev’s point would have a mass of black holes, a 100-pound response and the lack of sleep would already play a role.
      But we’re not aggressors, we should iron the bros because of a handful of cretins in the government who are making a little noise in London hi
      1. ermolai
        ermolai 8 November 2014 22: 38
        +2
        why the answer, eat specially trained ludi, they will be able to solve the topic so that the piglet will shake fat for a long time.
  8. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 8 November 2014 14: 12
    +6
    Suddenly, someone's unsold nest egg was found after 2007 ?! Let's see how they fly.
    If the infa is reliable, then launches should be recorded using satellites and other intelligence tools and used as irrefutable evidence of genocide and excessive use of force. (since one can expect everything from the current Kuev authorities)
  9. rassel0889
    rassel0889 8 November 2014 14: 12
    -1
    Well, little thing, minus you for the panic and obvious hostility to the president.
  10. Historian
    Historian 8 November 2014 14: 14
    +4
    We are looking forward to the results of the "competent" tech. Maintenance, storage and operation of the complex. No one will be able to sleep well within the range and location ... fool
  11. RusDV
    RusDV 8 November 2014 14: 18
    +4
    Ukrainian side withdrew its signatures

    in other words, Ukrainians declare war on New Russia. It is necessary to take Mariupol and Kharkov. Near Donetsk, to carry out a series of operations in order to discard the ukronatsik as far as possible. Nothing to pull already ...
    1. YGV-97219
      YGV-97219 8 November 2014 14: 46
      +6
      We must first at least completely free the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions!
    2. Drunya
      Drunya 8 November 2014 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: RusDV
      It is necessary to take Mariupol and Kharkov

      the militia does not have enough strength to take cities.
      Yes, and the preparation of l / s is not the same. request
  12. pinecone
    pinecone 8 November 2014 14: 18
    +4
    Ministry of Defense of the LPR: Kiev pulls into a conflict zone complexes with ballistic missiles "Scud"

    RIA Novosti, referring to the main military department of the LPR, declares that Kiev preparing rockets "Scud" for new massive shelling of cities of the Lugansk People’s Republic.

    So "pulls together" or "prepares"? The trouble is with these media, they would only submit a sensation.
  13. Ober.K
    Ober.K 8 November 2014 14: 18
    +13
    For the beautiful words of Poroshenko about universal values, democracy, etc. worth ORDINARY FASCISM !!! Missile strikes against civilians are proof of this!
    1. mrDimkaP
      mrDimkaP 8 November 2014 16: 57
      +3
      Poroshenko and Co. absolutely do not care about the Nazis and any ideology in general, just like in Ukraine. Just pay.
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  15. Belarus
    Belarus 8 November 2014 14: 19
    +10
    They are not suitable, as they say, this is not the point. "Toka U" also said that the expiration date or storage had expired. And they shot across Donetsk as "Toka U" and everyone saw what kind of destruction.
    Here, in my opinion, the question is how to prevent their use altogether. Otherwise, it seems that the whole junta has gone into a "razor" and has nowhere to go except to the ground or to prison and the question of civilian casualties is not on their agenda worth it in principle.
    When will you junta kill your head against a wall or you cannot find a wall?
    1. stonks
      stonks 8 November 2014 15: 52
      +7
      Running the Point (if there is a working and serviced instance) is very simple. Enough half an hour training several officers.
      The launch of the Scud is a severe headache for tadpoles, tankers, gunners and start-ups. And long hard training. Otherwise, a woman will flop when refueling or fly away Wrong at all.
    2. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 8 November 2014 16: 56
      +3
      They are not suitable, as they say, this is not the point. "Toka U" also said that the expiration date or storage had expired. And they shot across Donetsk as "Toka U" and everyone saw what kind of destruction.
      We saw, but rather, only 90% of these missiles had a different purpose and flew there.
  16. Federal
    Federal 8 November 2014 14: 19
    +17
    And there is no more truce, only the complete elimination of ukrofashists, now they are all consciously taking part in the conflict zone, about being a cook, waiter, clerk, etc. will no longer "run through". Thrill lovers damn it.
  17. rocker_39
    rocker_39 8 November 2014 14: 21
    +5
    Ukrainians in their repertoire are completely fearless. This is a liquid fuel rocket, where they will take fuel for it, I wonder. And it refuel immediately before launch. And if poor-quality fuel can explode over the launcher, not to mention the fact that without servicing the rudders of a rocket they will take it, God only knows where.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 8 November 2014 14: 59
      +2
      Quote: rocker_39
      Ukrainians in their repertoire, completely fearless

      An enviable patriotism directed completely in the wrong direction, peramogi will not be unfortunately for all of us !!!
    2. VIA_56
      VIA_56 8 November 2014 16: 37
      +2
      At least one would fly to Berlin! That is a pipe dream. And it would be cool!
  18. boozer
    boozer 8 November 2014 14: 21
    +3
    What's the point of using these missiles? And how many are there? When will they stop these Kiev psychopaths killing their people?
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 8 November 2014 17: 18
      +3
      There is only one meaning - to destroy the people who don’t love them, freaks! But whoever goes to New Russia with SCAD will die from SCAD. angry
  19. Thompson
    Thompson 8 November 2014 14: 22
    +4
    Quote: Historian
    We are looking forward to the results of the "competent" tech. Maintenance, storage and operation of the complex. No one will be able to sleep well within the range and location ... fool

    Better to let them in the location and launch!
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 8 November 2014 14: 26
    +4
    Select and slap in Kiev. In accordance with the peace plan Poroshenko.
    1. plut-k
      plut-k 8 November 2014 15: 13
      +2
      must be selected politely
      1. Drunya
        Drunya 8 November 2014 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: plut-k
        must be selected politely

        and grunt the same politely - a blank.
  21. askort154
    askort154 8 November 2014 14: 26
    +4
    Aviation is gone! Dots-U, apparently, too! Now "Scuds" ?. And only six months have passed. What next? Stone catapults ?!
    ! How on time they took away their nuclear weapons and Tu-160. (Which they themselves cut for the sake of their current owners). It is scary to imagine such weapons in the hands of frostbitten ukro-natsiks. God is not a fraer - he sees everything!
  22. pahom54
    pahom54 8 November 2014 14: 28
    +4
    Well, more work has been added for the militia DRGs ... If they work correctly, the Skut will come ...
    And then it’s true, they moldy in warehouses, you never know where this bandura will fly ...
    1. stonks
      stonks 8 November 2014 15: 57
      +8
      That the rocket did not fly, one sniper bullet is enough ...
      1. stonks
        stonks 8 November 2014 16: 33
        +5
        I will explain my statement to the negative:
        1. The body of this rocket is a carrier. The slightest damage is fraught with deformation and, at least, a miss by the target.
        2. Tanks rockets are blown. If there is a hole in the tank, the rocket will not start or CAD will fire.
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        1. stonks
          stonks 9 November 2014 00: 02
          +3
          I passed the state exam on the 14th rocket, and served on the 63rd.
          An interesting detail: the combat zone was well guarded. But the rocket on the launch pad was visible above the tops of the mast pines far beyond the protected area. Smart target for a sniper. It surprised me ...
          1. pahom54
            pahom54 9 November 2014 11: 38
            +1
            Quote: stonks
            I passed the state exam on the 14th rocket, and served on the 63rd.


            It’s the same thing, he served in the 63rd in Volhynia and Lvovshchie ... So from the Lutsk-Rosno highway it was clear when a rocket was put on the table in the first battery of the court regiment ... So, in passing fart firing shot at it - and Khan Bandura ... And around - yes, and minefields, and the grid, and patrols, and pillboxes ...
      3. THERAPIST
        THERAPIST 8 November 2014 21: 04
        0
        Such missiles are properly guarded, a whole fortified area. And primarily from snipers. So it is very difficult for a sniper to get there.
  23. fridge
    fridge 8 November 2014 14: 36
    +11
    It’s a pity that Donbass has nothing to adequately answer, and if you brush it well on dill, then a squeal, like a mongrel will be for the whole world. Ukrainian revolution:
    They drove out the fools who steal and instead planted the fools who kill. Ukraine is like the Vatican: if black smoke appears over the Maidan, you must wait for the pope to change. lol
  24. Idel
    Idel 8 November 2014 14: 38
    +5
    Everything is very simple. New Russia has not yet acquired the shape that it should. In the near future, Ukraine will have to share additional territories with the militia. On the eve of the hostilities, measures are being taken to prepare them, including and stuffing stuff like that. Everything is fine - we buy popcorn
  25. severbob
    severbob 8 November 2014 14: 39
    +2
    before playing scratched tongues now drool to drool and Scud tasty
  26. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 8 November 2014 14: 39
    +5
    Quote: If the messages of Alexander Bednov are confirmed, then it turns out that Kiev did not utilize all available missile systems of this type. [quote] This may also indicate that the NATO military trade is working to its fullest!
  27. anfil
    anfil 8 November 2014 14: 48
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    If the reports of Alexander Bednova are confirmed, then it turns out that Kiev did not utilize all the available missile systems of this type.
    Even if this infa is confirmed, then what is their combat value. When did the missiles go through warranty service and inspection?


    I wish these missiles the fate of Antares!
  28. VadimL
    VadimL 8 November 2014 14: 50
    +6
    It is not clear why dill pull Skud to the Donbass? With their range, it was possible to launch missiles from neighboring regions.
    1. izGOI
      izGOI 8 November 2014 15: 07
      +4
      And why the hell was the BUK brought to Donbass, and the drones of the 70s as well? Millet Kuyov's adequacy has long been in doubt. And money (albeit hryvnia) for this business can be cut.
    2. stonks
      stonks 8 November 2014 15: 31
      +4
      These missiles, located, for example, in Zaporozhye or Dnepropetrovsk, will be stocked up to Donetsk. And risking this expensive equipment and specialists, dragging it into the war zone, is the height of stupidity.
      IMHO: infa about skads in the conflict zone - misinformation.
      1. THERAPIST
        THERAPIST 8 November 2014 21: 08
        0
        Maybe the national guards have set their sights on Rostov? And what will become of them. They’ll shuffle, and if ours still can’t bring down the BG, then what? What will happen if this explodes in Rostov?
  29. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 8 November 2014 14: 53
    +3
    I remember that "Scuds" were still frightening the entire "world community" before "Desert Storm", so the Defense Ministry of the country should be concerned about such complexes, if it exists. But seriously, at this time I see several opponents of Russia in the region: first: Kiev is corrupt and its corrupt allies, second is the mass, armed with Russophobia, third: the same, albeit smaller mass, armed with Russophobia (which, however, here, on the spot, liquidated even without a command and free of charge), fourth, the Kremlin's betrayal. There are no other reasons for us to extinguish the fire ourselves, everything else is fiction, the main thing is not to let it go, even half a step away from our own affairs, but if they go, destroy it.
  30. RUSS
    RUSS 8 November 2014 14: 55
    +4
    "Scud" say, it is likely that "Point-u" gets away with it and "Scud" is possible, while the world community turns a blind eye to all this, the dill will continue to iron with everything they still have left, we will be indignant and make statements, and Europe will again send some kind of animal rights observers to the Donbass, they are also concerned about the killing of dogs and their homelessness in the South-East of Ukraine.
  31. ando_bor
    ando_bor 8 November 2014 15: 01
    +8
    The missiles are very tenacious, ours shot their stocks in Afghanistan, within and outside the shelf life, only two did not work, and then we figured it out, the air transportation technology was broken, some plugs in the plane either didn't open or didn't close . I served them urgently, 1988-83, though not directly, as the commander of the top loader in the platoon of control.
    In Armenia, the following are still in service:

    Assad uses:
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 November 2014 15: 02
    +9
    If possible, then the Scuds will shoot. And the world community, as always, will look the other way at this time. The ruin was given carte blanche for anything. Well, maybe besides going west. In the east, she was allowed to do everything. And we were forbidden to prevent her from doing this. As for me, it’s time to already make impudent guerrilla sorties in the memorial. That there would begin to panic.
  33. stonks
    stonks 8 November 2014 15: 18
    +5
    I do not think that info about scads is true.
    1. The process of storing missiles, their fuel, all components of this missile complex is technically VERY complicated and costly. In addition, it is necessary to maintain "in the form" of combat and technical calculations of the complex. With the existing funding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is unrealistic.

    2. The USA gave money for the disposal of 8K14 missiles: "The American side took over the financing of the process of demilitarization of the 9K72 Scud missile systems. It is about two million dollars."
    http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control/ru/publish/article?art_id=243659040&cat_id=2443140
    08
    And disposal was carried out under the control of Amer. firms. It would be difficult to conceal something.
    1. andr327
      andr327 8 November 2014 21: 49
      +3
      oh you do not know you can see Ukrainians! Two million to destroy why? rot itself! And after all persuade in fact, or deceive !!!
    2. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 9 November 2014 02: 19
      +1
      Quote: stonks
      The money for the disposal of 8k14 missiles gave the United States

      That's why I think they survived. Loot, as always, "raspali" ... and the rockets ..... fuck ... they themselves will rot ...
      But ... in Soviet times, they did it for centuries, and I’m not unhappy if in warehouses of long storage, THIS is still standing.
  34. Gray 43
    Gray 43 8 November 2014 15: 34
    +2
    Ours could organize a missile defense system at the border for such a case, the missiles are old, and scumbags will work with them, as if they didn’t come to us, because for some reason dill carry air defense systems with them
  35. Bronik
    Bronik 8 November 2014 15: 39
    +4
    After the withdrawal of Soviet troops, the R-17 continued to be used by the Afghan army. On April 20, 1991, three missiles fell on a market in the city of Assadabad, killing about 300 and injuring 500 to 700 people

    Dill from the Taliban in brain activity is not far gone, for the civilian population is dumb ..
    From October 1, 1999 to April 15, 2001, it launched 250 8K14-1 missiles [18]. Missiles were shot, including expired ones, while not a single failure was recorded.

    This is all from Wikipedia.
  36. Cristall
    Cristall 8 November 2014 15: 47
    -6
    hmm ... one article is better than the other ... The Scuds pulled in .. "found" their media.
    Soon Satan will be "found" in the bins of the Motherland ...
    And they dig up the BZHRK ... and Tu 160 from a forgotten hangar roll out ...
    and probably the UFO plate will be launched soon ...
    In my opinion, the Russian media wants to be cooler than the Ukrainian. That is, "nuclear loaves" are already flying there. Why are the Russian ones worse? They found the Scud - you see, nuclear ones will also go.
    And the most interesting - they even believe in VO ...
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 8 November 2014 21: 02
      -3
      MDA. 2 minus for criticizing the further fall of Russian media resources? Turning them into a likeness of Ukrainian?
      Real patriots! laughing
    2. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 9 November 2014 02: 24
      +3
      Quote: Cristall
      one article is better than the other ... Scuds pulled in .. "found" their media.

      Well then tell me our Svidomo, where Ukraine has so many points, y ?? If they still shoot them in the Donbas. But according to all the nomenclatures and contracts, they should have ended ten times already !!?
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 9 November 2014 16: 11
        0
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        Well then tell me our Svidomo, where Ukraine has so many points, y ?? If they still shoot them in the Donbas. But according to all nomenclatures and agreements, they should have ended ten times already !!

        oh for Svidomo then thank you .. I always thought that svidomye translated as conscious ..
        Anyway. You ask me a question - to which the whole article was!
        And many questioned her, since the militia constantly writes about the shootings by the Points. When counting the shelling, the Points should not have remained.
        Question --- where are the Points from? Ash stump - draw. We assemble from the designers.
        The media will print anything and you believe. And you think about Ukrainians - stupefied ... They would have thought that you were being deceived as well. The media on both sides are doing the same thing. And you can’t believe them.
  37. Password
    Password 8 November 2014 15: 50
    +3
    And I have only one question for all this military news - Well, how much longer this junta outrage in the Donbass will continue !? After all, people die there daily, including Russian people! How much more can you cry for help from Russia? Maybe enough of different politic blah blah blah and muddy backstage machinations? Why the promise of protecting citizens is not fulfilled:
    And if we see that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help, and we already have the official appeal of the current legitimate president, we reserve the right to use all the means at our disposal to protect these citizens. And we believe that this is quite legitimate.

    4 March 2014 city
    http://kremlin.ru/news/20366
  38. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 8 November 2014 15: 52
    +8
    even if Ukrainians disposed of them, it is likely that they were thrown by all sorts of Poland and Bulgaria
    1. stonks
      stonks 8 November 2014 16: 08
      +2
      Calculations are needed, and preparing them is long and difficult.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 9 November 2014 02: 27
        +1
        Quote: stonks
        Calculations are needed, and preparing them is long and difficult

        Friends with the color of the flag of your ovatar in trouble do not abandon their slaves.
  39. fridge
    fridge 8 November 2014 15: 55
    +5
    Usraina looks like an evil bitch, from whom the proud Donbass leaves, so she is trying in her fury to vilely spoil the disgusting and vile pseudo-state.
  40. 31231
    31231 8 November 2014 16: 01
    0
    How, at times, the boltologists in the militia are tired.
    Either they see Abrams in Kharkov, then the Czech Danes division is unloaded in Odessa.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 8 November 2014 17: 14
      -2
      Quote: 31231
      Either they see Abrams in Kharkov, then the Czech Danes division is unloaded in Odessa.

      I already typed a whole collection
      17 Strongholds, 650 tanks, Javelins, heaps of Negro mercenaries, Abrams + Leopards, Danes in Odessa, Germans, a bunch of Points U, here are the Skuds ....
      it’s without trifles even ..
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 9 November 2014 02: 30
        +2
        Quote: Cristall
        I already collected a whole collection of 17 Strongholds, 650 tanks, Javelins, heaps of Negro mercenaries, Abrams + Leopards, Danes in Odessa, Germans, a bunch of Points U, here the Skuds were added .... this is without trifles even ..

        I’m also collecting a collection ......
        But I don’t know what American Hercules is brought every day? .........
        Agree, you don’t fly empty))))))
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 9 November 2014 16: 16
          -1
          Quote: Ramzaj99
          But I don’t know what American Hercules is brought every day? .........
          Agree not fly empty)))))

          the approximate composition is officially and unofficially small. You can't do much with Hercules.
          However, in the country there are absolutely no state or no secrets at all. The fact that brought immediately shown.
          17 strongholds were not brought by Hercules, leo and abrams too ..
          given all the more ...
          Think about what can be transported from what the Ukrainian army needs (except for a good command staff)?
  41. mivail
    mivail 8 November 2014 16: 04
    +2
    It seems that the ukronatsiks decided to save a little. To beg for money for the disposal of old ammunition, and then instead of disposing of it at a specialized enterprise, stupidly shoot all these ammunition for residents of New Russia.
  42. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 8 November 2014 16: 31
    +3
    and ours are all beating Sakhalin with warheads! No, so that a sweet couple "Bulava" and "Sineva", for example, can be thrown at the checkpoint ... This is where the check will be, and the pleasure is pleasant.
  43. kg pv
    kg pv 8 November 2014 17: 07
    0
    Something I strongly doubt the availability of SCADs at the ukrovoinov, the "exceptional" monitored the utilization.
  44. Evilcat
    Evilcat 8 November 2014 17: 32
    +5
    Interestingly, does anyone imagine what RK (missile system) is? Applied to "Scud" is about 20! cars. Refueling machines, launch complexes, conveyors, loaders, etc. etc. Do you seriously believe that for 25 years all this was maintained at the proper level? Oh, I doubt it. And you can deploy. As much as possible. If also cheeks while inflating.
  45. Vadim237
    Vadim237 8 November 2014 17: 33
    +2
    In addition to the Skadv, they also have the NDB Moon in service, though all this has long expired.
  46. 31rus
    31rus 8 November 2014 17: 56
    +3
    Scuds with personnel and calculations could be made and friendly countries I don’t think that much, but they could prepare a battery and they wouldn’t shoot at Donetsk or Lugansk, then apparently Boeing 2 if this information is true
  47. olegkrava
    olegkrava 8 November 2014 18: 16
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Stanislav 1978
    This is the main reason for the removal of the R-17 missiles from service. "
    But in that case, I would stop sleeping in place of the inhabitants of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and possibly Summ, Poltava, Kiev and Kherson ... a rocket with a flight range of 300 km, maybe the devil knows where to fly ... by the way and on our territory ...

    But for this, it is necessary to answer with fresh missiles from our territory, yes, and fuck us west.
  48. wanderer987
    wanderer987 8 November 2014 18: 50
    +1
    laughing I really want this "wunder waffle" to go to Kiev at a well-known address, soldiers from the Armed Forces of Ukraine have always been distinguished by their "accuracy" laughing Better yet, to return to the "start"!
  49. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 8 November 2014 19: 25
    +1
    "... Kiev is preparing Scud missiles for new massive shelling of the cities of the Lugansk People's Republic."

    And who said that against the LPR. Or maybe against Russia and this cannot be ruled out.
    We already remember how the Kiev punishers fired on the Russian border territories and we threatened them only with a finger.
    Kiev punishers killed the children of Donbass, Russia at that time, as a sign of "goodwill", transported the punishers through its territory to Ukraine, and then they returned again and killed and destroyed.

    Kiev will launch such a missile and say ".. we by mistake .." or even blame the militias.
    Moreover, their experience in this is HUGE.
    The killing of schoolchildren on a football ground in Donetsk near the school was confirmed by both the OSCE and even a Ukrainian journalist.
    But for Kiev this is not an argument .... that’s how they say it will be so in the USA.
    If the United States says that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then Kiev will recognize it, and Psaki has only condemned .... and has called for an investigation.
    And everyone in the world already knows how Kiev conducts investigations with the help of American advisers - on the example of Odessa and Boeing.
  50. Alexander
    Alexander 8 November 2014 19: 26
    +1
    The complexes are mothballed, or rather they just stand rusting, but there have been no missiles for them for a long time.
    1. SAN31
      SAN31 8 November 2014 21: 31
      +2
      You are mistaken. In the USSR and the USA, there were and are warehouses for long-term storage of the first response, and so no one canceled or disbanded them. All ammunition is available, and at the expense of rust - nonsense. Everything works, just change the batteries, they are also available. Only scud is already a small strategist (INF). It is not a secret yet, ukrov has several workers of Soviet nuclear heads, which they at one time refused to return to Russia under various pretexts.
      1. tolancop
        tolancop 8 November 2014 22: 29
        +2
        SCAD fires a maximum of 300 km. For a strategist, even a small one, obviously not enough. Accuracy by today's standards is low. Low accuracy is compensated to a certain extent by special ammunition. About the special ammunition hounded by Ukraine, I think it’s not at all funny. From ukrov they wouldn’t get down from the living until everyone returned. I am not special in nuclear weapons, but I had to read that nuclear weapons are aging and require periodic disassembly-assembly at the factory. Do you think Ukrainians could quietly rotate such a thing? Not funny.
        About the age of R-17 has already been written. If there is, then the junk that is unknown will either fly or fall apart on the table.
        1. SAN31
          SAN31 8 November 2014 22: 36
          0
          The points fly and these fly. According to the agreement, Ukraine has not handed over special ammunition to Russia in full, the location of some has not yet been established - it is likely beyond the hill and may unexpectedly return.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 9 November 2014 01: 05
            +3
            SAN31
            The points fly and these fly. According to the agreement, Ukraine has not handed over special ammunition to Russia in full, the location of some has not yet been established - it is likely beyond the hill and may unexpectedly return.

            And here for some reason I remembered the words of Yulka Timoshenko about "killing with atomic weapons" ... what
        2. Reader
          Reader 9 November 2014 07: 04
          0
          Yes. Nuclear weapons without periodic monitoring are not nuclear weapons, and they know how much everything is there and what is there.