Russian army for 2020 year (optimistic view)

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At present, Russia, which has preserved its army in the dashing 90s, is the second largest country in the world in terms of military potential. It's no secret that Russia needs the army like air. The huge territory on which large reserves of various natural resources are concentrated, for many states is a tasty morsel. The army needs the country to protect its territories and defend geopolitical interests. Until 2020, 23 trillion will be spent on rearmament of the army and conducting all kinds of scientific military research. rubles. In a situation where our country is surrounded by "bosom friends" - this is more than relevant and necessary.

Naturally, such a large amount of funds can not leave anyone indifferent. And the Internet is already replete with reports of various thefts, frauds and other interesting facts from the life of our defense industry. On the one hand, this is sad, but on the other, it does not at all mean that all 23 trillion rubles will be stolen and what is unknown will be allowed. Information noise about this makes it clear that, firstly, there are still media in the country, and secondly, the situation is under the control of senior government officials who are ready fire everybodywho is guilty of disruption of the defense order.

The current state defense order in terms of its funding is comparable to the expenditures of the USSR during the Cold War, so there is nothing strange in the fact that quite a lot of control is exercised over the spending of money. Thanks to these means, the Russian army should be substantially renewed by the year of 2020. The share of modern military equipment should be 70%. The main emphasis will be placed on the development and improvement of the country's air force and air defense. In the light of the events of the last two decades, when much was decided precisely in the air, this is the right way.

Russian army for 2020 year (optimistic view)
Combat training aircraft Yak-130


Before 2020, 600 of new aircraft, around 1000 helicopters, 56 divisions of C-400 (28 regiments of two divisions), as well as 10 divisions of a promising air defense / missile defense system C-500 should be delivered to the troops. It is expected that due to the air defense systems C-400 "Triumph" will be replaced by 50% of the C-300 Favorite available in the air defense system ". About another 50% are likely to be replaced by the new Vityaz air defense system, which, according to experts, is several times higher than the C-300 systems in service. One launcher of the Vityaz complex will carry up to 16 missiles, and the complex itself will be able to detect, accompany and fire more targets. In addition to the “Vityaz” complex, it is planned to adopt the “Morfei” short-range air defense system. All these air defense systems: Triumph C-400, Triumph-M C-500, Vityaz and Morfey C-XNUMX will become part of the aerospace defense system (EKO), which began in the country this year. According to General of the Army Nikolay Makarov, the Chief of the General Staff, the system being created will allow Russia to cover up from the attacks of ballistic missiles, medium-range missiles and cruise missiles of various bases.

Also, by 2020, the country should finish work on the creation of the 5th generation nuclear submarine. It is assumed that it will be multifunctional and in its arsenal will be both ballistic and cruise missiles. At present, all strategic Russian submarines carrying combat duty belong to the 3rd generation. Two ships of the 4th generation of the nuclear submarine Yuri Dolgoruky and Severodvinsk are being tested and will soon be accepted fleet. The main striking force of the submarine fleet in the coming decades will be the nuclear submarine of project 955 Borey. Until 2017, they should be built 8 pieces. Currently, the Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear submarine is undergoing tests, the Alexander Nevsky nuclear submarine has been launched, and another 1 boat of this class is under construction. Project 955 submarines are capable of diving to a depth of up to 500 meters and have been in autonomous navigation for 3 months. In terms of their characteristics, these boats are superior to their direct competitor to the US Virginia class submarines.

NPS project "Borey"


Their main striking force should be the new intercontinental solid-fuel rocket Bulava. This missile is capable of hitting targets at a range of 8 000 km and carrying 6 kilotons to 150 combat units (for comparison, the distance from the Barents Sea to Chicago is about 8 300 km.). The launch of the rocket can be made in an inclined plane in a submerged position, which allows you to launch a rocket from a moving submarine.

The completion of the Bulava tests is scheduled for completion later this year. Yes, not all her launches were successful. At the initial stage of testing, successful launches were interspersed with unsuccessful ones, but now the situation has begun to be corrected, the last three missile launches were deemed successful. Sprinkle with ashes about the head of a large number of unsuccessful launches is definitely not worth it In Soviet times, tests also did not always end well, the only difference is that they did not tell about it then on television and in newspapers. Of the 15 launches, the 7 rocket was declared unsuccessful. The missile may be put into service later this year if even the 5 of its test launches are deemed successful.

And even if the Mace for some reason will not be adopted in service, our military have a backup option in the form of the Liner rocket, information about which appeared only in August 2011 of the year. It turns out in parallel with “Bualva” for many years in Russia the Liner rocket was developed, which is a further development of the “Blue”. The Liner fuel oil missile, according to the available information, surpasses all available solid-fuel rockets of Great Britain, China, USA, France and Russia in its power supply, and this missile is not inferior to a four-unit (4 combat unit of medium power or 12 small) the terms of the START-3 agreement) to “Trident-2”.

It is assumed that the "Liner" being adopted will be able to extend the life of domestic submarines of the project 667BDRM "Dolphin" to 2025-2030 years.

PC-24 "Yars"


At the very least, if the Bulava never gets into service with this missile, the 941 Akula nuclear submarines and the new 955 Borey nuclear submarines can be armed. The only thing about the possibility of an underwater launch in motion can be forgotten. This rocket is designed to launch the "dry" method of sealed submarine mines.

There is an update in the land component of the domestic strategic nuclear forces. Monoblock Topol-M is gradually being replaced with new RS-24 “Yars” ballistic missiles carrying 3 nuclear warheads with a 150 kiloton capacity. The first regiment, armed with new mobile missile systems, took up combat duty in 2010 year. Those who are not impressed with the 150 kiloton figure can be reminded that the bomb dropped by the United States on Hiroshima was less than the 8-10 times in one such warhead. At the same time, with 2013, the production of missile systems in Russia should double. Strategic nuclear forces, as well as the Air Force and Air Defense are one of the priority directions of development of the country's armed forces.

Equipment for the ground forces will also be purchased. So, according to the director of the Federal Service for Rosoboronzakaz Sergey Maev, by 2020 the fleet of Russian armored forces will be half composed of tanks T-90 and half of the new model tanks. The name of the new cars is still a secret. At the same time, the official mentioned the combat characteristics of the new machines. The new tank will receive higher firing capabilities, more powerful ammunition and firing range. Work is underway to create missiles with a firing range of 7 km. (Now the Russian army is armed with tank missiles with a firing range of 5 km). The controllability of the tank will be increased through the use of various automatic control systems. The average speed of a car over rough terrain should be 50-60 km / h, compared to today's 30-50 km / h. In addition, one of the main requirements for the tank will be the ability of the crew to conduct combat operations for 24 hours without leaving the car.

T-90 justifiably scolded, but this machine is quite suitable for the role of "workhorse" and can remain in service for many more years. This tank is able to withstand an 30 explosion of a kiloton nuclear bomb at a distance of 700 meters and can move under water. But its main advantages are maintainability, unpretentiousness, the ability to use in the harshest climatic conditions and, of course, low price (about 1,8 million dollars for export options).

MBT T-90


Of particular note is the purchase of foreign weapons systems. Their purchase is necessary to revive normal market competition. Acquisition in Israel drones brought our companies out of hibernation, and today they presented to the military a whole bunch of modified models, some of them will be presented at the MAKS-2011 air show that opened today. A similar situation occurred with armored vehicles. After Russia signed a contract for the assembly of Iveco armored vehicles on its territory, domestic manufacturers stepped up and introduced the Volk armored car to the military. The creators of the "Wolf" are the same as those of the "Tiger", only this time they took into account all the world trends and developments and successfully implemented them in their new car.

The second positive point when buying foreign equipment is the acquisition of new technologies. So, together with the Mistral helicopter carrier, the purchase of which was not criticized only by the lazy, we will get the Zenit-9 system we need and all the technologies and licenses attached to it. Zenith-9 is one of the most modern combat information systems of NATO, which allows you to manage different types of troops. It is needed primarily for the successful interaction of the fleet and aviation with ground waxes. It was this system that has long been a stumbling block in this deal. The French did not want to transfer the license for its production to Russia.

At present, Russia is ranked 7 in the world in terms of weapons costs. Over the past 10, our military budget has increased almost 10 times. All this gives grounds to believe that by 2020, our army will only add to the power and still be second in combat potential in the world, after the US Army. A strong army is a guarantee of Russia's independence and stability.

Sources used:
www.fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/416833.html
www.ria.ru/defense_safety/20110319/355549208.html
www.lenta.ru/articles/2011/08/15/s300/
www.lenta.ru/articles/2011/08/10/liner/
www.uralweb.ru/news/n326739.html
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  1. Stiffmaister
    +1
    17 August 2011 10: 19
    A good article, very optimistic, especially about half of the tank fleet, which make up the T-90 and the other half is some kind of unknown super tank.
    Given the fact that 20000 tanks are currently in service in the Russian Federation, I hope that this figure will not be cut five times. But in general, the article is good, only two things still do not let me sleep peacefully, it is the money that is allocated for the military budget and the execution of the state defense order. The solution to these problems will ultimately lead to everything described in this article, 70% of new equipment, new tanks, 600 aircraft, etc.
  2. +4
    17 August 2011 12: 08
    This is an optimistic look. The views of the pessimists, which perhaps will be larger, were also published. Probably the truth is somewhere in between.
  3. +5
    17 August 2011 12: 13
    I got the feeling that the article was written by the presidential press service. Or people from the MO. Such an article is not an article but an excuse for the people. Enough to hang noodles on our ears !!! angry It's time to believe the confirmed facts, and not the words of corrupt officials or the notorious piece of paper.
    If, for example, you bought a S-400, prove it, show that it came to the troops, but not so much as it was outlined on paper ........ what Only confirmed facts !!!!
  4. +9
    17 August 2011 13: 00
    In addition, one of the main requirements for the tank will be the ability of the crew to conduct combat operations for 24 hours, without leaving the car.

    Well that's it. Dry your paddles. The dry closet will be supplied or provided with diapers. In our time, no attention was paid to this matter. I remember in a diving course they taught a three-bolt spacesuit. The cadet asked the instructor what to do if he wanted a little need (he had to be in cold water for a long time). To which the instructor said: "We don't take Sykuns as divers, and even more assholes."
  5. uncia uncia
    +3
    17 August 2011 14: 50
    Before the elections, they will decorate with rainbow colors all that is possible, especially since these are such distant prospects.
  6. +1
    17 August 2011 15: 34
    The author of the article reassures: not all 23 trillion. rubles allocated for defense will be stolen! Here, really, is an optimistic look! Our guides officially declare that 1/3 of the military budget is BROKEN ....
    I don't even want to comment on the well-known problems with the S-400 and S-500, the Bulava and Sineva, the T-90 tanks, the corruption agreement between the Ministry of Defense and Iveco. But to pass them off as the achievements of the wise leadership of the military-industrial complex and the Ministry of Defense by our current leaders is JUST FUNNY.
    Maybe the optimist set himself the task - to make the audience laugh, I'm sure REALISTS HAS LAUGHED IF IT WASN’T SO SO SAD ....
  7. svvaulsh
    0
    17 August 2011 15: 38
    I recently talked to a strategist here, so he said that the "liner" is not a rocket, but a new missile warhead. And I would also like to ask a question: how will a liquid "blue" be installed on a "shark" originally produced for a solid-propellant rocket? Isn't it cheaper to build a new boat?
    1. Superduck
      0
      17 August 2011 16: 16
      Here was an article where they tried to uncover the secret of the appearance of the liner and the problem of solid / liquid fuel http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/08/10/liner/
      1. svvaulsh
        0
        17 August 2011 16: 48
        I'm actually talking about the same thing! I'm trying to prove to the hurray-patriots that there is no new missile. There is a modernized "blue" warhead.
    2. +2
      17 August 2011 21: 14
      they won’t put blue on the shark (941 projects) (r-29rm), it was created for 667 projects and smaller in size of the standard r-39 shark missile


      from left to right: R-29, R-29R, R-39, R-29RM, CSS-NX-3, JL-2
  8. Siberian
    +1
    17 August 2011 15: 55
    About the tanks.
    Nobody has ever (in my opinion) ever demanded that tankers not leave their cars for days. Moreover, a rare tank will live on the battlefield for 24 hours. And modern military history does not know fights of such duration. So jokes with toilets in military vehicles are show-offs.
    1. Superduck
      0
      17 August 2011 17: 00
      Then each tank must drag a trailer with a watch. Even if we assume that they will put the helm, automatic transmission and air conditioning, modern panoramic night-view devices ...
      I'm driving even a new Honda Accord after 4-5 hours I begin to stick.
      Americans from this point of view, on the one hand, are forced, on the other hand, rationally do not force the tanks to chase for days, if there is no enemy nearby, then the tank is taken by a truck, the crew is resting and that’s right.
      Although I can recall such tactics of using tanks relatively recently, when the crew was supposed to be in the car for days. It was in Iraq when Saddam buried half of his tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on the tower and they stood together and waited for their death with the guard inside. Do we have a new military doctrine of the use of tanks caused by the analysis of the successful use of tanks by the Iraqi army? Then I congratulate all the tankers on the day of the tanker in advance, since then it may be too late.
      On the other hand, the reduction in crew fatigue is directly proportional to the effectiveness of their actions in battle. However, as people who participated in the database say, during a battle, an adrenaline rush relieves fatigue instantly, exacerbates reaction and instincts. However, this does not work as long as we would like.
      If the crew instead of sitting under the nearest tree in the shade in the summer, because the car +50 will sit in the car in its place and enjoy the coolness of the air conditioner, then the chances are that it will be carried out by the 3rd drunken enemy building battalion who got lost when trying to buy moonshine in a neighboring village, there will be much less.
      I am for air conditioners, dry closets and coffee makers, and even game consoles in the tank if this does not go to the detriment of the combat characteristics of the machine.
    2. +3
      17 August 2011 17: 14
      On the contrary, it’s a very good idea. Just imagine how scattering poop and watering enemies with urine our tanks break into the position of a potential enemy. A very demoralizing factor. Nobody can resist!
  9. Max
    Max
    +4
    17 August 2011 16: 59
    Wow, we witnessed the first optimistic and, by the way, quite realistic article ... And then we got these snot and criticism ...
    1. Eric
      +2
      17 August 2011 23: 38
      Comrade, it’s much worse when we have nobody and nothing to criticize. So, criticism is better than nothing at all.
  10. Superduck
    +1
    17 August 2011 17: 18
    And more about tanks, instead of spinning a marketing duck about a 5km rocket, and now 7, it would be better taken care of by the presence of ammunition, which ensures the guaranteed defeat of modern Western MBT in the frontal projection. Bo the same rocket ammunition Combat has an armor penetration of 650 mm at an angle of 90 degrees! So tell me what is the probability of defeat, for example Leopard 2 in the forehead with such a weapon. And it’s better if it was not about missiles that the army did not see and would not see soon, but about the cumulative and sub-caliber which actually fill the tanks of our tanks.
  11. mitrich
    +6
    17 August 2011 17: 57
    Camp ONE ("democratic"):
    cVM: "Capitalism is HAPPINESS!"
    Sirius: "The Turkmen elite, within the limits of their capabilities, takes care of the defense capability ... And ours?"
    PATRON: "Maybe we will elect the American president right away?"
    There is BALLIAN, but I don’t really want to quote this child.

    Camp TWO ("patriotic" type):
    MAX79: "Soon there will be no one to fly! It's time to believe ... the facts, and not the words of corrupt officials"
    DATUR: "The S-300 is no longer there, the S-400 is not yet, at the exit there is a donut hole"
    Lekha PANCAKE: "And our leadership in the Kremlin, as always, licks the Yankee's ass."

    I can still, but laziness was beyond the forum page to browse. For all the contradictions (perhaps even ideological), there is one thing in common between you:
    NEXT OUR WAR YOU LOSED BEFORE ITS BEGINNING! sad

    You can start setting minuses, gentlemen ...
    1. Superduck
      +3
      17 August 2011 18: 01
      Come on. If everyone screams that we will win, as well as all the wars that occurred after the migration of the Rus from Mars 2 million years ago, as some scream here, the enemy will be scared and will not attack.
    2. +1
      17 August 2011 19: 13
      mitrichwell portrayed the situation. The main thing is not to lose the mind.
    3. LESHA pancake
      0
      17 August 2011 19: 21
      yeah, everything was gone, we are buried, we are no longer from the pessimists, it blows with a grave cold.
    4. zczczc
      0
      17 August 2011 21: 21
      Democracy, unlike patriotism, is a word that is not full of meaning and has never been embodied in life.

      And so, I remembered the famous movie:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2od8yID7Ss8

      1. Superduck
        0
        17 August 2011 21: 28
        do not compare the radish with the finger, democracy is an abstraction of citizens in their own state and participation in its governance (it seems there is nothing satanic about this, can you find it?), and patriotism is the same abstract feeling of a particular citizen expressed in love for this very homeland . Complete democracy as well as its complete absence does not exist in nature.
        Ideally, they should complement each other perfectly.
        Why did someone decide to declare democracy in Russia a universal evil, I even guess why and who.
        1. LESHA pancake
          0
          17 August 2011 22: 09
          democracy spread throughout the world through rocket attacks and bombing has discredited itself for the sake of it no one will sacrifice the life of their loved ones.
    5. LESHA pancake
      0
      17 August 2011 22: 13
      Well, Mitrich, as always, put everything in place. everything was gone left to scream rus give in.
  12. mitrich
    +2
    17 August 2011 18: 12
    It is necessary to be objective, SuperUtka, and not to find fault in how much in vain your beloved army and even the unloved, but the leadership of your country.
    I am for constructivism based on personal knowledge and experience.
    If I don’t boom-boom in tanks, then I don’t want to discuss them (almost wink ) If I am not familiar with the Minister and the Chief of the General Staff, then in any case I will not inflict personal insults upon them, calling them Taburetkins, etc.
    I don’t like much, yes, but Russia, like Ukraine, experienced ten times, 100 times worse times. Nothing - survived and survived ...
    1. Superduck
      0
      17 August 2011 18: 56
      Quote: mitrich
      I am for constructivism based on personal knowledge and experience.

      Well, here not many of us work in the US Federal Reserve Chamber, but many are smartly discussing the collapse of the US economy.
      Just pay attention, you and I sometimes talk about the same things, but from different points of view, but rarely when they contradict each other. Your position is understandable, you are a patriot of the country and do not want to slander it, but do not come up with what was not there, and this is an honest position. My position of complete cynicism, which goes alongside yours, but I consider it possible for myself to scoop everything that I want, but also try to stay within the framework of the truth. But the truth is she is known alone.
      I’m calm for your psyche, but there are a good half of readers under 20 years old, where they can find the truth. They already tell a lie themselves without suspecting that they have never seen and will not see because it is no longer there. I frankly worry about it.
  13. ESCANDER
    0
    17 August 2011 18: 32
    Superduck
    “I can recall such tactics of using tanks when the crew was supposed to be in the car for days. It was in Iraq when Saddam buried half of his tanks in the tower and they stood together and waited for their death with the guard inside. ”
    The guard is outside, and the tanks are muffled so that the thermal imagers do not detect. Clear?
    On this, the Yankees and ran into a sandstorm. Tactics, by the way, are very adequate. What are the conditions and the enemy, such is the tactic.
    1. Superduck
      0
      17 August 2011 19: 00
      American thermal imagers spotted tanks with cold engines just not at 5 but at 4 kilometers, which in any case did not leave the Guards any chance. A tank in the desert, even if its engine has been drowned for 40 years, is still a contrasting target for 4-generation thermal imagers.
      The only place they could disguise the tank more or less is in the city. Well, by the way, I agree that the Iraqis didn’t have much choice, although there was little sense in this either.
      1. jamert
        0
        18 August 2011 11: 40
        Is there a link? And then here many comrades claim that the Americans in Iraq did not conduct any military operations at all, and the Iraqi army was sitting at the bases. Where probably stays and still wink
      2. 0
        21 August 2011 20: 30
        "thermal imagers detected tanks with cold engines"
        Explain to a beginner what is a thermal imager?
  14. His
    0
    17 August 2011 18: 45
    Until 2020, it is necessary to survive. It is as they once said under Khrushchev that in 2000 we will have communism.
  15. 0
    17 August 2011 19: 18
    Very optimistic! But the realities of today.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The Russian Defense Ministry has postponed the purchase of 24 MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters and 60 Yak-130 combat training aircraft, the Vedomosti newspaper writes, citing a source at the United Aircraft Corporation. Both contracts, which were planned to be signed during the MAKS-2011 air show in Zhukovsky, are estimated at $ XNUMX billion. The reason for the postponement was the intention of the Ministry of Defense to achieve lower prices for military products.
    -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------
    So you’ll be an optimist here! Now their prices do not suit you, then the money has disappeared, then the state order has failed! Further more ..................... It turns out that we are not so far take a look!
  16. Patriot
    0
    17 August 2011 19: 19
    http://shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=27854

    Hello everyone, Comrades. A small request.
    Be kind. Read this article here. I really want to understand your opinion on what is stated in this article. For if all this is true, then something urgently needs to be done. Otherwise, thanks to the efforts of medical deputies, the liberals of our country will soon be gone.
  17. +2
    17 August 2011 20: 29
    Patriot, you yourself read this heresy. uncle’s roof was demolished amid hatred for everything Russian and a place for him in a mental hospital.
  18. mitrich
    0
    17 August 2011 20: 48
    Here is what I want to say (optional):
    -reform the army - and by this I mean changing the organizational structure, the salaries of military personnel for the better and re-equipping with new equipment - it was time for a long time, only until 2008 they talked about it;
    There is a squabble between the Ministry of Defense and the defense industry over the pricing of equipment, and therefore the stuffing of various negative things from the defense industry into the media. Personally, I am on the side of the ministry. The Ministry of Defense has never been able to defend itself in the media (remember the first Chechnya). This must be understood;
    - Any reform is always a disaster for l / s;
    - The current reform is grandiose in its essence and tasks;
    - no one will ever tell you what, when, and in what quantity entered the troops (therefore rejoice at the plans announced);
    -that was an article about MAKS today - an interview with Colonel General, who was responsible for the supply of weapons in the 1990s. Naturally - criticism. And I have to this .... the question is: it all started with you, it was and was growing. What right do you have to criticize the current state of affairs? Now the officers do not sit on the choke, as in your shitty command, and do not re-borrow money from each other (or even groceries);
    - I have a normal attitude towards all of the listed characters. Only a request - more objectivity.
    VLADIMIR, hear me! Without you and your opinion, it's completely dead ...
  19. 0
    17 August 2011 21: 40
    If this article were written in the USSR, I would be proud and glad, but I am sure that we will not reach 2020% of new technology by 70. God forbid, we can reach 40-50%, and we also need specialists for such equipment, from ours " love "to military service this will be a big problem.
  20. mitrich
    0
    17 August 2011 21: 56
    And I would be proud and glad if the Russian officer FIGVAM believed in it now.
    Objectively speaking, I think that this year the State Defense Order will not be 100% fulfilled either, for this there are objective reasons and far from a financial order, as some people think.
    So, in 2012 you have to overlap. If you pay attention, orders are being poured like from a cornucopia. People are needed, FIGHT, to make products ...
    You and I are still alive, and everything else is not at half past six. And two are already a partisan detachment winked !
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      17 August 2011 22: 15
      Chinese turners will hire nanotechnology to promote.
    2. 0
      18 August 2011 01: 19
      And three - a partisan detachment with a traitor? wink
  21. mitrich
    +2
    17 August 2011 22: 26
    LEHA damn it,
    do you remember the film "The Chairman", when Ulyanov asks the collective farmers: "When did you believe?", after which some woman jumped up and shouted: "And that's right, women, look around," and so on.
    So it is here:
    Are you hungry? Maybe help with what?
    Surely you spit saliva on an old Russian habit of blaming the authorities for everything. Normal article, good plans. There will be breakdowns, of course ... But why in everything to see only the gloomy side and complete lawlessness?
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      18 August 2011 03: 25
      MITRICH FOR POWER SHOULD ALWAYS BEGINNING BEGINNING BUT BADLY FINISHING PERMANENTLY ONE AND TOGETHER RAKE WE GO
  22. zczczc
    +2
    17 August 2011 22: 31
    Yes, "the view of an optimist" is written in the title for a reason.

    The main problem of the existing system is the lack of controllability. Instead, methods are used in the spirit of "The acquisition of drones in Israel has brought our companies out of suspended animation" or "After Russia signed a contract for the assembly of Iveco armored vehicles on its territory, domestic manufacturers have become more active." A method at the level of blackmailing their own industry and the people, which pays for all this, in fact.

    Probably, the birth rate in Chechnya for 6-10 children is also a method to increase the birth rate in Russian families.
  23. slan
    +1
    17 August 2011 22: 48
    The education system is destroyed, in fact. Design schools are lost. From which *** to expect a lift?
    Everything has already been destroyed for a long time, and from scratch to create, not everyone and certainly not medveputics can do it.
    ps Who will fly to Pak-fa in 2020? Graduates of the Armavir school of agricultural aviation who entered there according to the results of the exam?
  24. 0
    17 August 2011 23: 21
    Oh! Do not remind about the Unified State Examination, this is a gradual destruction of our country.
  25. Svyatoslav
    0
    18 August 2011 00: 01
    I hope that this is the view of today's optimist and tomorrow's realist.
  26. serezhafedotow
    0
    18 August 2011 00: 57
    Such as slan, very deep in the soul, so deep that they don’t realize it, don’t believe what they are writing about. Otherwise, they would have committed suicide.
  27. +1
    18 August 2011 00: 57
    I, like most of the people here, love my MOTHERLAND, and I want us to be proud not only for the heroic past and achievements of previous generations, but also for the present ...
    But when they talk about plans for 2020, I Say: I DO NOT BELIEVE, and it’s not sweet for me from this understanding of the situation, because it hurts and offends me for lost chances ...
    When people talk about deliveries to the troops, it’s necessary to talk not about a couple of hundred airplanes and God forbid 1000 tanks, this is ridiculous for such a country ...
    I DO NOT BELIEVE because the same Dmitry Anotolevich and Vladimir Vladimirovich
    failed in 10 years of nichrome (DAM in the rank of deputy prime minister filled up the national projects "Affordable Housing" and a couple more to boot)
    That it was impossible to supply modern types of weapons over the years, oil as the main guarantor of the defense budget only grew up to 2008 (although there was a decrease of only 5 months then again up), and all deliveries were several dozen units, the merit for the frequent managers of the plants (yes there are decent people on them) who spent the night under the doors of ministries.
    Plus at the moment there are really few specialists left. Those who survived the Yeltsin bacchanalia were calmly finished off in the well-fed and calm 2000s.
    Correctly mark it is necessary not to speak, but to do ...
    We all believe and are ready to believe in the best, but Mitrich is dear to them at the top of us .. being at US, they have not yet begun to admit defeat, this is We believe, but they DO NOT
  28. mitrich
    +1
    18 August 2011 01: 33
    I don’t know, ISK1984,
    they say that all nations are divided into wolves and sheep. According to this theory, we successively knock out wolves in Sweden, France and Germany ...
    Our country, a country including wolves, is simply obliged to become great in this century.
    And so far no one has knocked out the wolves.
    Today was at the opening of another skyscraper in E - Burg. The skyscraper, of course, has 27 floors, but there are three-meter ceilings, respectively, a building for 80-100 m. I am a fan of my city, that's all - that’s the policy.
    They called it a "puck".
  29. MaxArt
    +3
    18 August 2011 02: 04
    And only one fact bothers me. Rather, two facts.

    1. A large and long ruble is, of course, wonderful. You just need to understand what it is spent on. Now, when technologies are jumping scalded, most of the forces and means (human, financial, etc.) should be invested in science and development... I myself work for the defense industry, and I know what salaries there are and what personnel. Colleagues all say: they say, you have to come to our company after 50 years, when you no longer want money and it is time to sit quietly until retirement. Take our word for it, our "new defense technologies" are alive only thanks to the latest enthusiasts, and there are very few of them. And you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    2. At what capacities will the state defense order be carried out? 1000 helicopters in nine years - where will they be built ??? There are no companies left - nothing, and even those - sheds and lathes older than me. Who will produce all this, I wonder? how uralvagonzavod behind nine years will produce, for example, 6000 tanks??

    Yes, this is an optimistic view ... I myself would like to look at the world with such eyes. Sorry, it doesn’t work out.
    1. zczczc
      +1
      18 August 2011 02: 11
      Well, how they’ll do it - you can take it and not build another skyscraper, especially in Chechnya, for example. And build a factory. But this requires a will.
      1. MaxArt
        -1
        18 August 2011 02: 32
        There is no more will. It is obvious. And to fill this plant - with whom? And - what? We also do not know how to produce modern equipment. But what's there, we have the element base, commonplace transistors - they froze at the level of the CT315s, at the level of thirty years ago. Where to get the shots from? For twenty years of collapse from the old school - turners, locksmiths, mathematicians, physicists - a few have remained. Every day I watch it at work ...
        1. LESHA pancake
          0
          18 August 2011 03: 38
          BUT WE HAVE BANKS OF MANAGERS AND OFFICE PLANKON A POND OF PONDS, THE OLIGARCHS WERE PROTECTED REALLY IN REAL ESTATE IN ENGLAND ONE SUCH FOR 14000000 Pounds. ASK FROM WHICH NEVER STILL?
          1. 0
            18 August 2011 07: 33
            The question is rhetorical. And the purchase of a mansion, a football club with debts or a yacht for 160 000 000 euros at the height of the crisis is a banal withdrawal of dough. If people have patience here, they sold and received a pension there.
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    1. zczczc
      0
      18 August 2011 02: 17
      Ban him forever!
  31. +1
    18 August 2011 06: 19
    Guys, everything will be fine. Yes, with us, as usual, everything is done through the ass, but still done) In addition, at least some kind of stirring began ....
  32. +1
    18 August 2011 07: 34
    An interesting idea of ​​the author is to revive the nuclear submarine 941 "Shark" and charge it with the "Liner", I have never heard more delirium in my life wink
  33. MichaelVl
    +2
    18 August 2011 07: 49
    Out of the whole bunch of comments, only 3 people believe and keep their nose up, StiffMAISTER, mitrich and Smilodon (maybe someone missed, then I apologize). Guys, I join you in optimists!
    I believe that these are not empty words and promises, but real numbers and deeds. There were, are and will always be problems (without them life would be boring and not interesting!), And especially now - after 15 years of hibernation and restructuring from one way of life to another. No one argues that much has been lost and destroyed, communications have been disrupted, production chains have been lost, factories have been lost ... But let's look at it from the other side - our (Soviet) defense industry was focused on the entire USSR and the bulk of the enterprises remained on the territory of the Russian Federation. It turns out that that huge country does not exist, that amount of weapons is no longer required in any case, because many enterprises from those times would still be closed (regardless of whether there is money or not), everything in life is interconnected and nothing just happens. YOU MUST PAY FOR EVERYTHING! And it is expensive to maintain a huge Soviet defense industry complex, I think everyone understands this, and this is also the "taxpayers' money" mentioned here! And now the question is: for what?
    Therefore, there was a lull in the procurement of weapons for our army - there were only the most advanced and super-enterprises that survived due to export! The rest naturally disappeared (no matter how painful and valuable it was for someone). Now the need has arisen again (with the huge need - it is necessary to plug all the holes that have been formed in 15 years and be updated!), So the work begins, new capacities and personnel are needed - and it takes TIME and means. Funds are allocated, you have to work, believe and bend your line, without going a step to the side and back! It is clear that it is very simple and easy to destroy what was created over the years and debugged, and it’s difficult and long to bring up new specialists, build new plants for needs and work out modern technologies. But this is the situation and it is necessary not to scold, but to constructively and planned to get out of the situation, which is now being done. I am sure of it and I know that it is!
    Everyone has problems - be it America, Germany, China ... anyone! There are also a lot of cursers and pessimists and a lot of problems, and they steal and the bureaucracy slows down the processes, etc., etc.! ..
    I will repeat my words and Smilodona, relying on constructive points and Mitrich's explanations: "Guys, everything will be fine and everything will be fine!"
    1. +1
      18 August 2011 08: 15
      Apparently because they work in the military-industrial complex and have an idea (even if it may be partial) of the processes taking place in it, not according to the articles in the floating balloon, but based on personal experience, analysis, etc. smile
    2. Ivan35
      +2
      19 August 2011 18: 50
      I support MikhailVl! Starikov clearly proved that disloyalty to his own state government had ruined the USSR and now it’s in the hands of the enemies — no farting — but something is being done — and if you rock the boat, we again get a new restructuring to the delight of the pendos.
      Secondly, oil money goes and Putin has been able to direct most of it into the state pocket since 2000 - I’m sure that for the most part the rearmament program will be implemented! Third, the unification of 3 republics is in full swing - and their military budgets (considerable) and programs can be safely added up - when we compare our potential with the enemy
  34. +5
    18 August 2011 09: 10
    Good to optimists. Unfortunately, I am becoming less and less.
    Plans and reality are very far apart. Especially today, fighters are buying, tomorrow there is not, after tomorrow something else.
    Developing, reorganizing the army needs a primary source. As they used to say "Marx" in our times. This primary source should be the military doctrine of the state. Identification of potential adversaries, outgoing threats, etc. etc. This is an axiom.
    Without this it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine the quantity and quality of the necessary equipment and human reserves.
    The latest exercises conducted by our leadership took place according to the scenarios of the fight against terrorists.
    Then why do we need heavy equipment, nuclear submarines, fifth-generation aircraft, etc.
    In general, this is not the business of the army, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    If we are going to seriously fight, then we need other equipment and weapons.
    In general, my leadership reminds me of rich rich boys who were crazy about the money who came to the toy store. They saw it, liked it, bought it. And they can’t answer the fig themselves. We played a little, threw away the toy, bought a new one. Because the neighbor has the same.
    Today some priorities, tomorrow different.
    Well, there will be no sense in today's reform. She is needed, but there is nobody to do it.
    Without a basic military document, doing reform is the same as making an airplane without blueprints. It will take a lot of money for spare parts, whether it will fly away - most likely not.
    1. 0
      18 August 2011 09: 53
      It is interesting what Medvedev approved by decree No. 146 on February 5, 2010.
  35. lokdok
    +3
    18 August 2011 09: 48
    For some reason, scolding the authorities, many commentators write about the "well-fed 2000s." so we can remember how it all began.
    1. Ships did not sail, Airplanes did not fly - there is no kerosene, there were no exercises. - After all, it was necessary to start from this - done.
    2. It is unclear to whom all the defense industry plants belong to, it is impossible to invest in many even money. it is not clear to whom they belong. Done - now there is the UAC, USC - you can invest and develop.
    3. In the early 2000s, money from the sale of oil did not fall into the Russian budget (remember production sharing agreements) - they also did it.
    4. Provided enterprises with export orders.
    By the way, the production of the same microcircuits for the defense industry was established - http://www.angstrem.ru/ - I bought the plant from AMD. Before you do something big - visible, you need to do a lot of small painstaking work.
    So I think it's not so bad.
    1. MaxArt
      +2
      18 August 2011 10: 52
      Perhaps you are right, I myself have never supported decadent sentiments. It’s just that the situation is much more complicated than the media imagine, and a thousand times more complicated than Medvedev’s fanfare speeches.
      In terms of intellectual resources, we are now in a huge potential pit. To get out of it - you need a powerful breakthrough in the field of science, a powerful stream of financing, training, even buying brains! What does the official government offer us?
      Correctly. SKOLKOVO! It's funny ...
      Regarding electronics - everything is still deplorable. You can buy a plant, two, three. But you need to develop at least something yourself. Need to learn to design. And in our country this direction was strangled in the late 80s. At my enterprise they mount (well, program, I try, including) electronics for satellites and cruise missiles. Processors are manufactured by Voronezh under a license purchased from Intel. These processors are over 30 years old. And they have characteristics - I want to cry. And there is no other.

      When choosing a job, I was interested in how things were at different defense enterprises. People everywhere are their own, they communicate closely, everyone somewhere has someone working.
      "Almaz-Antey" - a very difficult situation. From the former greatness now there is a timid hope of returning, from the past many thousands of state - the crumbs of the "old guard", there is nothing for young people to do there.
      KB Tupolev - the wind walks in the corridors. How the forces of this design bureau want to develop PAK DA - a complete and insoluble mystery.
      "Kamov" holding on somehow, and this is not surprising, because there are almost no orders for him, only Ka-52s were bought in small batches.
      "KB Lavochkin" - we often contact him. This is just a scammer.
      "KB Antonov" - here comments are superfluous, except for the modernization of old Soviet aircraft for 20 years, nothing has been offered.

      And so on.

      To solve this problem, urgent and radical changes are needed. And the level of financing and provision of our science is more like handouts for dystrophic.

      It is very difficult to be optimistic. Although I want to.
    2. MichaelVl
      +1
      18 August 2011 15: 48
      lokdoc,
      correctly noted about the "well-fed 2000s"! I also wanted to say about this, but my comment turned out to be so cumbersome, I didn’t add it already :) This is the nature of man - when everything is good, it is taken for granted and is not noticed, but problems can always be sucked out of the finger and criticized. Everyone's business, of course, is how to perceive reality, but it's easier to live with a smile, in my opinion, including difficulties that are easier to overcome;)
      But real problems must be addressed and resolved. The comments of MaxArt are certainly noticeable and not comforting.
  36. MichaelVl
    +1
    18 August 2011 16: 14
    I completely agree with MaxArt about electronics and our electronic components. I’m doing it myself. Active components are mainly imported. But still there are many of our factories, we just need to step up them and accelerate their work on the development of new elements, and these are questions for the management - organizing a team, marketing, promoting their products ...
    MaxArt, have you tried to convey your thoughts to the leadership? If you have the right thoughts, then you need to share them with your team and try to make the work of the enterprise more efficient.
    1. MaxArt
      0
      18 August 2011 19: 12
      My management knows everything much better than me. Most of our time and effort is spent not on software development, but on attempts to fit into the rigid "iron" framework of equipment. God forbid which algorithm will require two processor cycles more than it is allotted to! Register memory is allocated down to a byte. Etc. I’m already silent about the fact that we buy electronics and gyroscopy from France, because our kits are once defective and are much worse in accuracy. Progress is accelerating, but we have no opportunity to keep up with it.
  37. +2
    18 August 2011 16: 16
    He served in the unhealthy "90s" when the pay was received every three months. And that was faith. Belief in the best. Troubled years will pass. Everything will settle down. We will serve as before in Soviet times. When the daily uniform was worn only on Saturday when we arrived at the PCB. And so they did not climb out of the fields. That TSZ night (every week), then three days (every month) and every six months, carrying the database in the field for a month and a half.
    Going about their business without thinking about money.
    Now everything is in order with money, but when I meet with officers (I live in a military camp) I see a feeling of dissatisfaction with my work. And almost EVERYTHING is in the army. Not slobs, but people who are conscientious and responsible.
    After all, only money is at the forefront. They do not talk about duty, honor, conscience - only about money. Everyone becomes managers. And this is NOT COMPATIBLE with officer duty.
    I don’t remember which of the ancients said:
    "FOR FULL HAPPINESS A PERSON NEEDS A WORTHY FATHERLAND".
    And despite the fact that I live now much better than when I wore epaulets (military pensioner) in material terms, I can not consider myself a HAPPY MAN.
  38. Owl
    +2
    18 August 2011 17: 31
    The current "reformed" army has not yet fought, on the one hand it is good - the world is better than war, but on the other hand it is scary, I'm afraid We will fight this ...
  39. 0
    18 August 2011 18: 50
    Go Russia!
  40. Patriot
    0
    18 August 2011 19: 08
    Comrades. And, personally, it’s not clear to me. Why do not you believe in the veracity of this article?
    http://shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=27854

    Or do you think that described in it is not our real life in a rich country? I think if you all in August 1991 knew what awaited our country, would you not have supported the side of ebn and his team? And, at the right moment, it was still necessary to reverse the situation and slowly, but surely, change everything methodically without shocks. Or maybe it's time to take off your glasses ???

    And by the way, didn’t anyone like my posts and links to that article? Why were they removed?
  41. Patriot
    0
    18 August 2011 19: 17
    And, in general, how painfully in the heart it is not pleasant to live without understanding who is on the side and who the ruling elite is working for, China, the USA or Europe ... !! But, the main thing that you have to realize, wow, it’s definitely not on the side of the interests of Russia and its people!
    By the way, the link to this article also migrated to this site.
    Here is this article on this site.

    http://topwar.ru/6243-proekt-utilizaciya-rossii.html
  42. obzap
    0
    18 September 2011 20: 12
    Are you so naive that you believe this government !? Russia averted into a cash cow! The last (or next) nipple is the northern path!

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