New Chinese stealth fighter J-31 hit the camera lenses shortly before the start of the air show

Photos of the newest Chinese stealth fighter invisible aircraft landing on the runway in the southern city of Zhuhai revived the suggestion that this jet would be shown to the public for the first time at an air show in November.

In unconfirmed photographs, first published on the Chinese military enthusiasts forum, we see a fighter landing a week ago in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, which had the same identifying marks as the J-31 aircraft from Shenyang.

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation is listed as an exhibitor at the tenth annual China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, which starts on November 11 in Zhonghai, but the representative of the air show could not confirm or deny whether the J-31 will be shown at this event.

The Invisible Fighter, which has been in development for several years and made its first flight in October 2012, is a twin-engine jet aircraft that, according to military analysts, can potentially take off from an aircraft carrier.

In August, the Shanghai newspaper Jiefang Daily announced that the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning would be able to receive 36 aircraft, including the 24 fighter Shenyang J-15.

“The striking thing about this aircraft carrier and aircraft models is that each individual component is based on a foreign system. The aircraft carrier Liaoning is a ship of Russian construction, equipped with Chinese systems. Helicopters are based on the Eurocopter project. And the J-15 fighters are based on the Russian Su-33 fighter. ”

Andrei Chang, the editor-in-chief of the Canadian magazine Kanwa Asian Defense Monthly, said in an interview in 2012 that the J-31 fighter also had “American features” in addition to the borrowed elements of the Russian aircraft. There is evidence that Shenyang jets are increasingly borrowing elements of American aircraft, up to and including cloning.

Chang said that, apparently, J-31 borrowed some elements from the two-engine F-22 of the USAF and the single-engine F-35C of the US Marine Corps.

The J-31 fighter is not the only new Chinese aircraft caught in this month's lenses. Photos of the larger fourth-generation J-20 fighter, the AWACS KJ-500 long-range radar detection aircraft and the Y-20 military transporter, which reportedly performed test flights, were published on Saturday 25 October at a popular military forum.

Based on materials from www.scmp.com

Comments

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Well ... "invisible" and got into the cameras "why are you so, Chinese ???

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

"invisible" and got into the cameras "

These are long wavelength cameras.

[VAF]

Quote: Vladimirets

These are long wavelength cameras.

The author, of course, +, but the news .. is already outdated .. yesterday even the "movie" was removed from the "warm-up" flights .. and the author is all about ... photos

[SVAROZHICH]

And do you remember the tank biathlon ((((when on each run their guns failed! The allies failed oh let down (((

[sv68]

it’s the same Chinese as their aircraft carrier. I need to honestly write a combined model, because they collected everything that is possible and impossible for other countries and without our engines it’s just a model of the aircraft. The Chinese will soon have a sixth tingling, a couple of months after we or the us will create. our plane - the Chinese will turn on the copy machine to the fullest.

[Mainbeam]

For the Chinese, it all starts with copying, and then they build their own. And while much better quality than the original. So it was in the car industry. And Chinese cars are already better than ours. A BMW 12-speed purely Chinese automatic transmission is already purchasing. So it will be in the aircraft industry.

No, of course, there are exceptions, like a Kalashnikov assault rifle. Maybe the engines have the same ambush at the material science level.

[0255]

The Chinese, as they began to copy the MiG-1950 in the 15s, are still copying everything and everyone. The J-10 is the Chinese version of the Israeli Lavi, their deck-mounted J-15 shows the Su-33, and they still make the J-7, a copy of the MiG-21, for poor customers. The J-20 resembles a hell of a mixture of the MiG 1.44 and the F-22 Raptor. There was an article on VO that the new Chinese combat helicopter repeats the AN-64 Apache one-to-one.
So it may be sooooo long for the Chinese to copy, do not copy

[Cat]

Quote: 0255

The Chinese, as they began to copy the MiG-1950 in the 15s, still copy everything and everything

And what's wrong with that (for China, of course)? Since the 20s, the USSR has also copied a lot of things, especially aircraft engines. By the way, do not tell me which engine was on the same MiG-15?

[tomket]

Quote: 0255

new Chinese one-on-one combat helicopter repeats AP-64 Apache

There, rather, the developments of the Kamov Design Bureau were used.

[nonjumping]

To be precise, after the Israelis they still worked on the J-10 with the whole world, Russian aircraft designers also had a hand in it - this is even guessed in the characteristic style of the exterior. From themselves, they put only some electronics there, which undoubtedly achieved tremendous success. Yes, and the J-7 - this is not a copy of the MiG-21, although it was created on the basis of the latter. What the Chinese really love to do lately is to stupidly copy several on one plane, even if it is pointless and harmful, i.e. mix bulldog with rhino.

[Mainbeam]

about the 60 years:

In China, the MiG-19 also had a supersonic air intake with a fixed central body. The aircraft received the name J-6HI and with RD-9 engines developed a speed of up to 1700km / h.

[PROXOR]

Quote: MainBeam

For the Chinese, it all starts with copying, and then they build their own. And while much better quality than the original. So it was in the car industry. And Chinese cars are already better than ours. A BMW 12-speed purely Chinese automatic transmission is already purchasing. So it will be in the aircraft industry.

Write nonsense dear. The Chinese can not do better, they take the finished product and and simply duplicate the internal functions or even interfere with other devices. There are no development skills or a good school of engineers in China.

[Cat]

Quote: PROXOR

There are no development skills or a good school of engineers in China.

This is not yet.
In general, the situation reminds me a bit of the end of the 1930s. Well, this is when the Germans calmly sold new models of aircraft to the USSR, not without reason believing that the Russians could neither copy nor use their technical solutions (and did not have time) - both the engineering school was different and the technological base was backward.
As it turned out - in vain.

[PROXOR]

Quote: Gato

This is not yet.
In general, the situation reminds me a bit of the end of the 1930s. Well, this is when the Germans calmly sold new models of aircraft to the USSR, not without reason believing that the Russians could neither copy nor use their technical solutions (and did not have time) - both the engineering school was different and the technological base was backward.
As it turned out - in vain.

Only in the USSR it took 10-15 years on copying, and Chinayozes have been copying for 20-25 years. But there was no school of engineers, and no.
For example. You watch their circus. All that you will see there is the entire developed circus program of the USSR, only without regard to possible casualties.
I'm afraid that after all, the Chinese killed all the creative people during the cultural revolution.

[Shvonder]

Quote: MainBeam

And a 12-speed purely Chinese automatic transmission already buys BMW.

More details PZhLuysta?

[Cosmos1987]

Simple and elementary. if the Chinese have such a cool prodigy in the form of the J-31 and J-20, then why should they buy a Su-35 though ??? And all just J-31 and J-20 is a beautiful metal wrap, which can be riveted thousands, the main thing is the electronic start and engines with which the Chinese have problems.

[insafufa]

Their main problem is the engines are not even electronics

[Cosmos1987]

By electronics I mean not the elemental base, what kind of problem we ourselves have, but algorithms, software, action trailers, not standard technological solutions and all the accompanying ones.

[insafufa]

algorithms, software, action trailers, non-standard technological solutions, and all the attendant ones.

I agree with this and there is nothing to object

[nonjumping]

First of all, they have problems with aerodynamics, structural materials and modern engines, because over the years of copying they have not created their scientific and design schools in this direction and, judging by their actions, they do not really want it yet.

[RADIOACTIVE]

in order to disassemble everything, and then start up the Chinese copy machine

[Irkutian]

Do not think that a glider is that simple.

[Babai34rus]

It should have been called J-35

[0255]

Quote: Babai34rus

It should have been called J-35

Or F-35 China Edition

[PeaceByForce]

Or F-35 China Edition laughing

Lonkhit F35SSV16N-14

[RADIOACTIVE]

This exterminator looks more like a re-styling MIG-29

[JonnyT]

the cabin and the bow are already very similar to f-35 ....... hackers in China knowingly eat their bread

[patsantre]

On F-22, not 35.

[JonnyT]

Quote: patsantre

On F-22, not 35.

I know, I don’t know. But minusers have obvious problems with comparing visual objects.

[dzvero]

It seems to me that the situation among the Chinese is similar to that of the USSR in the mid 30s. they build a lot of cars, but all of them are the world aviation yesterday. apparently they have enough organizers of production, but no creative personalities. they don’t have their own Mitchell, Messerschmidt, Sukhoi ... and nothing even closely resembling the famous skunkworks.

[lilian]

Planes of the last century were more beautiful. Now fighters are becoming like foreign cars, one like the other.

[Scales]

yes, I agree, one type of classic corn maize that only costs

[HAM]

Yesterday at VO there was a note that the Chinese are making fun of the "quality" of our SU-35s, the question is why then the "advanced" Chinese aircraft do not want to fly as the "low-tech" Russian ones? Or did "sponges" and all the technologies?

[Alexander]

This is not a fighter, but a demonstrator. A amateurish comparison of the similarity of the appearance of aircraft causes only laughter.

[Alexander]

Quote: lilian

Planes of the last century were more beautiful. Now fighters are becoming like foreign cars, one like the other.

The laws of aerodynamics and radar are the same in all countries.

[silver_roman]

never understood such an interest in the Chinese aircraft industry! this aircraft is an attempt to copy the "raptor" and nothing more. Until the 5th generation he is like cancer to Mars. let's be honest. The fact that he flies does not do and does not bring him closer to the PAK FA and F-22. Immediately I remember the story of the Iranian aircraft of the fifth generation.

[sniper]

Quote: silver_roman

never understood such an interest in the Chinese aircraft industry! this aircraft is an attempt to copy the "raptor" and nothing more.

In fact, for those on whom the bombs fall there is no difference whether the carrier is copied or it is of the original design ... I mean that the true origin of China’s power is not important, it is growing ... Yes, and they have long since gone from blind copying, this is a synthesis of spionerennye developments and their own electronic systems ... So I would not laugh at Chinese technology ... There is still a lag in engines and individual technologies, but the pace with which the Chinese defense industry is developing causes respect and ... wariness. ..

[silver_roman]

I completely agree. and I in no case do not laugh at China, because I am well aware of its power. I'm just saying that talking about their manners for the 5th generation of aviation systems is clearly too early. And speaking of copying, I wanted to point out that almost the only quality of the 5th generation of their fighter is a glider, which is largely successfully copied. That's all. therefore, I do not take this aircraft complex seriously.

[Afblgh]

Quote: Cosmos1987

Simple and elementary. if the Chinese have such a cool prodigy in the form of the J-31 and J-20, then why should they buy a Su-35 though ??? And all just J-31 and J-20 is a beautiful metal wrap, which can be riveted thousands, the main thing is the electronic start and engines with which the Chinese have problems.

And the Chinese themselves know that they want to buy a Su-35? This, in my opinion, Russia wants to sell them intensively: to Brazil, China, Indonesia.

[bracket]

Do you have all such ignorant people in Ukraine ??? what you fly yourself, huh? Or have all the planes ended?

[aszzz888]

They would not be Chinese if they had not copied.

[foma2028]

here is still such information
true or not?
The Chinese were outraged by the quality of production of Su-35
Military Parity. On the Chinese Internet, they began to study the technological culture of the production of the Russian Su-35, which arrived yesterday in Zhuhai for the exhibition, which will begin work on November 11. The forums show a close-up of the skin of the Russian fighter, which greatly angered Chinese Internet users, and is compared with the more respectable-looking skins of the J-20 and JF-17: "the differences are like day and night." The comments reached the most indecent words and hope that "soon Russia will cease to be a major exporter in the world," and "the only thing we should buy from Russia is oil and gas."
source: http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/6093/

[PROXOR]

Quote: foma2028

here is still such information
true or not?
The Chinese were outraged by the quality of production of Su-35
Military Parity. On the Chinese Internet, they began to study the technological culture of the production of the Russian Su-35, which arrived yesterday in Zhuhai for the exhibition, which will begin work on November 11. The forums show a close-up of the skin of the Russian fighter, which greatly angered Chinese Internet users, and is compared with the more respectable-looking skins of the J-20 and JF-17: "the differences are like day and night." The comments reached the most indecent words and hope that "soon Russia will cease to be a major exporter in the world," and "the only thing we should buy from Russia is oil and gas."

Frightened the hedgehog naked ... peach. We will satiate our combatant units. T34 also did not look so hot in comparison with the T3 and T4 Wehrmacht. But they beat Hans so that the feathers flew in all directions. Let drooling as you like. What will happen in battle is the main indicator.

[Chupak]

Not surprisingly, the stripes work very tightly in China and in order to distrust our countries, this kind of discussion on the forums will be carefully cultivated and translated into a language that we understand.
Also, these "friends" are closely following our comments, someone here will blurt out something offensive about the Chinese, they will definitely translate it, decorate it and run it into Chinese heads, as if on behalf of all citizens of Russia.

[mrDimkaP]

That's the Chinese!

[foma2028]

Quote: PROXOR

Frightened the hedgehog naked ... peach. We will satiate our combatant units. T34 also did not look so hot in comparison with the T3 and T4 Wehrmacht. But they beat Hans so that the feathers flew in all directions. Let drooling as you like. What will happen in battle is the main indicator.

All according to the classics - Tell the sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with a brick: let them not clean them with us, otherwise, God bless the war, they are not suitable for shooting - Levsha clearly pronounced, crossed himself and died ...

nothing changes

[PROXOR]

Quote: foma2028

All according to the classics - Tell the sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with a brick: let them not clean them with us, otherwise, God bless the war, they are not suitable for shooting - Levsha clearly pronounced, crossed himself and died ...

Are you laughing I saw what our SUSHKI do, what turns they are laying and I know what dynamic loads they are capable of. But I only read about the possibilities of the Chinese. And the last tank biathlon showed that it all looks cool, but the quality still suffers.
Again, here you give an example from fiction. But in fact, there are slightly different examples in history. The main thing is who is fighting with these weapons. And the quality of the weapon itself. And the quality of our weapons is such that it has such authority that the Chinese still have to work and work.

[foma2028]

for some reason, it’s not possible to upload a photo of Su35С, one detail is a close-up, maybe this is a pre-production copy, or maybe a series

and it’s not about bends at all, but about the culture of production and service.
The same skin, allegedly or truly outraged by the Chinese.
Indeed, in addition to other factors, including and talking about technology, it’s also a decrease in radio visibility.
and biathlon is a show, like an air show

[Prahlad]

And what will be better pak-fa or J-31 ???

[sniper]

Quote: Prahlad

And what will be better pak-fa or J-31 ???

The answer is unequivocal, but if you rephrase the question: And what would be better than one pak-fa or ten J-31 ... Here you can already think ...

[IAlex]

No one will deny much that they have progressed to such a level that they are able to quickly copy, which means their engineering school is already quite capable, but very scantily scientific. And I still can’t understand why to do a nice thing on the outside if there is nothing outstanding inside, is it like an oriental style like that?

As an example, Chinese crafts on the iPhone and other Android smartphones, at best, nothing special inside and out, looks like something normal ... It will be the same with the airplane, its only advantage is mass and cheapness. What actually proved the last tank biathlon, when the Chinese increased the mass of the tank, and the fact that the load on the tracks changed just so they can’t be increased in size, they don’t know, as a result of metal fatigue and unbalanced loads on them, they just constantly broke .. .

[NOMADE]

At the expense of electronics and "fakes" I do not agree! Do not confuse the handicraft assembly "ala sunka" brands abibas, sledges, etc. There are decent models that give a "light" by the leader of the IT market !! As an example - telephones - mizui, huaiwei, lenovo. (and the first 2 companies are purely Chinese). And not only telephones. Communication servers, etc. - Huawei (3G modems, etc. MegaFon, mts, etc.). So, in terms of electronics, in terms of capacities, development and production (for example, 100% Huawei processors), we are lagging behind thoroughly !! In aviation, they seem to be lagging behind in materials science and experience, but this is a matter of time and generations. So don't rate them silly.

[Technical engineer]

Beautiful aircraft and flies well. So that the Chinese will fly a little better F-117. He only fight with F-35.

[bmv04636]

A bit of positive
At Kuznetsov OJSC (part of the United Engine Corporation of Rostec State Corporation), the first bench tests of an engine prototype for a promising Long-Range Aviation Complex (PAK DA) were successfully completed.
On this sample, it is planned to refine the parameters that meet the specified flight characteristics of the object. The creation of a power plant for the PAK DA is one of the main directions of technological development of the UEC. Currently, the vision, stages of implementation and timing of the engine are defined. It is planned that the first flight of the promising long-range aviation complex will take place in 2019.
As part of the work on the program for creating an engine for PAK DA, the specialists of OJSC Kuznetsov reconstructed the test bench for experimental equipment: they completed complex construction and installation and engineering works, provided a connection to the test bench for a new measuring system, and updated the control room for the testers.
After that, the prototype engine was assembled and installed on a stand. During the tests, the product showed characteristics close to those required.

[silver_roman]

if I understood correctly, then this is most likely an improvement of the old engine, and not a fundamentally new one. Too fast they saw him. The same engines on the PAK FA seem to even not even exist in metal. Although it may be wrong. Correct someone in the know.

[Evkur]

Water - Sharpening a Stone! If the Chinas are developing at the same pace, then in 15 years the best minds of the planet will come to live with big money from the United States. IMHO.

[Voronbit]

I don’t understand the essence of the conversation ... no one shuns other people's ideas and technologies if they are available

[Zigmars]

Quote: MainBeam

The Chinese, it all starts with copying, and then they build their own. And while much better quality than the original. So it was in the car industry.

After all, the auto industry and the creation of promising models of military equipment are, to put it mildly, somewhat different things. And some, even quite outdated systems, the Chinese are still not able to copy so that their analog is ahead of or at least at the level of the copied one. Suffice it to recall the Chinese HQ-9 (FD-2000) air defense systems, which were created on the basis of our S-300. The Chinese widely offer them for export and, at the same time, declare that the FD-2000 is "in no way inferior" to the Russian air defense system, and even costs much less. However, for their own armed forces, the Chinese still prefer to purchase exactly the S-300 (which, recall, were created back in the late 1970s).
In general, in the aircraft industry, the Chinese, despite all their efforts, are still far behind in many parameters (materials science, engines, avionics, radars, weapons). I think that their "fifth generation fighter" is at the technical level around 1991.

[voyaka uh]

J-31s will sell to compete with the F-35.
And the J-20 is only for itself, as the Americans did with the Reptor.