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Chinese prospective Y-20 transporter arrived at Zhuhai Air Show

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The second flight prototype of the Chinese heavy military transport aircraft Y-20 (tail number 783) arrived at the air show, which will open next week in Zhuhai (South China). This is reported by the blog. bmpd with reference to the Chinese media.




According to the Chinese press, "the Y-20 aircraft was designed and built by the Chinese aircraft manufacturer Xi'an Aircraft Industrial Corporation (HAS) in Yanlani (Xi'an, Shaanxi Province)." The first flight prototype took off from the factory airfield in January, 2013, the second prototype, in December, 2013. In July of this year, the aircraft was transferred to the flight test center CTFE for state tests. In this case, the board received a new dark gray color and the side number “783” (the original side number 20002).






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  1. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 6 November 2014 09: 40
    +5
    This is IL-76. Very similar.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 6 November 2014 09: 47
      +2
      Favorite horse of the "neighbors", something to copy ... A copy will never be more technological than the original. But infection quickly learns ...
      Ps I flew on it (Il 76) from Sakhalin through Vladik to Novosib, on demobilization with a bunch of the same gavriks on both tiers, the "impressions" were indescribable. Since then, with a hangover in the plane, not a foot.
    2. insafufa
      insafufa 6 November 2014 09: 47
      +14
      glob master
      Can compare


      KS-390 Embrair


      This is a hybrid of silt and beng with embrair.
      1. Bkmz
        Bkmz 6 November 2014 11: 00
        0
        More like a hybrid of IL-76, Antonov and nendoca. The plumage is Amer, the hump is obviously IL-76, and the nose is already very Antonov, specifically the An-70 is very similar.
        1. insafufa
          insafufa 6 November 2014 12: 16
          0
          In general, all planes are similar because the aircraft designers at each other lick the layout and those solutions

          and to be more precise, it’s also very similar to AN -148
          1. Bkmz
            Bkmz 7 November 2014 14: 49
            0
            No, it’s clear that in general everyone is alike, the laws of physics and aerodynamics are still the same. I mean that airplanes have distinctive features belonging to one or another manufacturer, for example, a Boeing 747, or Mriya ... The IL-76 is also recognizable, but here the distinctive features of 3 aircraft are assembled in one.
    3. SAM 5
      SAM 5 6 November 2014 09: 47
      +5
      And when did cross-eyed such developments themselves do? Follow the path of least resistance.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 6 November 2014 10: 29
        +8
        Quote: SAM 5
        And when did cross-eyed such developments themselves do? Follow the path of least resistance.

        We should learn from them, especially now, in the light of the import substitution program. And we have the experience of Tu-4 = B-29.
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    5. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 6 November 2014 09: 49
      +10
      Quote: Stanislav 1978
      This is IL-76. Again copies.

      Aha .. Why reinvent the wheel. laughing In general, well done Chinese! A very hardworking nation and stubborn in achieving their goals .. They get the hell out of them!
    6. Siberian German
      Siberian German 6 November 2014 09: 50
      +2
      no, it looks more like antea only turbojet engines - and so you look mixed up from europe and from us and from amers - in general mixjus
    7. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 6 November 2014 09: 50
      +8
      Quote: Stanislav 1978
      This is IL-76

      Rather, a hodgepodge of IL-76 and S-17.
      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 6 November 2014 10: 00
        +1
        By the way, his engines are d-30kp-2. In the future, it is planned to establish homegrown, if you manage to finish something worthwhile.
    8. Giant thought
      Giant thought 6 November 2014 10: 15
      0
      Not a copy, but very similar to our IL-76, as always, the Chinese tried to steal technical solutions, which, according to Chinese psychology, is not a crime.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2014 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Not a copy, but very similar to our IL-76

        More on the S-17. This is a wide-body transporter for transporting tanks and other overall equipment. Il-76/90 can not carry tanks ...
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    10. ADK57
      ADK57 6 November 2014 10: 34
      +2
      The tail section of the fuselage is copied from the AN, the wings and the rest of the fuselage are copied from the IL-76. The sizes are smaller. The wing mechanization is impressive. The chassis is low. Engines high above the runway. With such parameters and good engines take off from a standstill. The landing run is short. It looks like the machine can be used on unpaved airfields.
      Well done Chinese. Copying from around the world the very best.
    11. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 November 2014 10: 50
      0
      As bmpd wrote - before us is an airplane built using traditional Chinese technology Ctrl + C - Ctrl + V. smile
      Chimera, during the creation of which the parts of C-17 + An + Il were sawn off. With Russian engines.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2014 11: 43
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        As bmpd wrote - before us is an airplane built using traditional Chinese technology Ctrl + C - Ctrl + V. smile
        Chimera, during the creation of which the parts of C-17 + An + Il were sawn off. With Russian engines.

        And what do you think the Chinese did wrong? In a short time, it is simply impossible to create a military-technical cooperation with world-class characteristics and not use international experience, and frankly, it’s stupid.
        PS: we cannot do this anyway ...
    12. sazhka4
      sazhka4 6 November 2014 12: 29
      +1
      Nothing in common. Even close. A mixture of a bulldog with a rhino. But in principle, all planes are similar. The laws of aerodynamics have not been canceled.
    13. RADIOACTIVE
      RADIOACTIVE 6 November 2014 16: 48
      0
      and ova hercules
  2. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 6 November 2014 09: 41
    +1
    I wonder what is the carrying capacity? Up to 30 tons? And in general, it is interesting to read which LTH on this pepelats.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 6 November 2014 10: 01
      0
      declared up to 66 tons.
      1. sazhka4
        sazhka4 6 November 2014 12: 35
        0
        With such dimensions, this is impossible. Maximum tank Type -96.
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 6 November 2014 10: 33
      0
      Quote: Starover_Z
      I wonder what is the carrying capacity? Up to 30 tons? And in general, it is interesting to read which LTH on this pepelats.

      Googled and you will be happy.
  3. saag
    saag 6 November 2014 09: 41
    +5
    Quote: Stanislav 1978
    Again copies.

    interesting, but the Chinese themselves whose copies? :-)
  4. siberalt
    siberalt 6 November 2014 09: 42
    +1
    Something he really is IL - 76 reminds!
  5. Vadim12
    Vadim12 6 November 2014 09: 42
    0
    Our IL-76 is very similar, the nose is just different.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 6 November 2014 09: 46
      +4
      Quote: Vadim12
      Our IL-76 is very similar, the nose is just different.

      less landing gear
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 6 November 2014 10: 38
        -1
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Quote: Vadim12
        Our IL-76 is very similar, the nose is just different.

        less landing gear

        And on one and the other three-post chassis.
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 6 November 2014 12: 53
          -1
          Il has a rear chassis (left and right) - two-post.
          This one has a three-post
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  7. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 6 November 2014 09: 45
    +8
    "It looks like OUR Bunshu!" wassat
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2014 09: 52
    -1
    "The Y-20 aircraft was designed and built by the Chinese aircraft manufacturer Xi'an Aircraft Industrial Corporation"

    Copied from ours. But the Chinese have been using this technique for a long time - steal the technology and not waste extra strength and money. The truth does not always work. It doesn’t work with our air defense systems - the output characteristics are rather weak.
  9. capex1
    capex1 6 November 2014 09: 54
    +6
    Comrades are on the right path !!!! They take the best and copy. Why invent a bicycle! Therefore, they are ahead of the rest of the planet. We would sometimes have to use the Chinese example and, for example, copy this Mistral if our fleet needs it so badly, and not play daisy "they'll give it up, they won't give it back."
    1. atk44849
      atk44849 6 November 2014 09: 58
      +1
      to copy it ,! it needs to be stolen, disassembled, etc. but we don’t have time !!!
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 6 November 2014 10: 36
        0
        Quote: atk44849
        to copy it ,! it needs to be stolen, disassembled, etc. but we don’t have time !!!

        The Chinese do not steal, but simply buy a small batch.
    2. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 6 November 2014 10: 51
      +1
      The right way are comrades !!
      - one minus - copying is always behind the original! hi
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2014 11: 46
        +1
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        - one minus - copying is always behind the original!

        Do you think it is radically worse than the C-17?
        1. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 6 November 2014 13: 06
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          Do you think it is radically worse than the C-17?
          - Well, from the C-17 he only has a tail! Yes, and the C-17 has been flying for almost 15 years. So worse, not worse - but this is a copy that is not yet in the series! hi
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 6 November 2014 17: 57
            0
            Quote: Dazdranagon
            - Well, from the C-17 he only has a tail! Yes, and the C-17 has been flying for almost 15 years. So worse, not worse - but this is a copy that is not yet in the series!

            Yeah, and his cargo compartment is probably from IL-76?
  10. Mercenary
    Mercenary 6 November 2014 09: 59
    -1
    His ailerons are somehow strange: like blinds? Do specialists have any thoughts on this topic? request
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 6 November 2014 10: 09
      +2
      Quote: Mercenary
      His ailerons are somehow strange: like blinds?

      The IL-76 mechanization is about the same.
      1. Mercenary
        Mercenary 6 November 2014 21: 36
        0
        Thanks did not know. We are more in touch and my call sign remains.
    2. askort154
      askort154 6 November 2014 10: 26
      +3
      Mercenary .... His ailerons are somehow strange: like blinds? Do specialists have any thoughts on this topic?

      The ailerons are ordinary. And what you mean is called: multi-slotted flaps. And above them: - interceptors (on some types of aircraft, aileron-interceptors).
      1. Mercenary
        Mercenary 6 November 2014 21: 37
        0
        And thank you kind man!
  11. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 6 November 2014 10: 07
    +2
    Quote: podpolkovnik
    Quote: Vadim12
    Our IL-76 is very similar, the nose is just different.

    less landing gear


    That is, it’s not very similar? smile The Chinese are not original. At the beginning of the journey, the Soviet Union also took ready-made samples and "cut for themselves." It seemed to be the same, but not the same. Let's see what will happen in thirty years, whether they will still copy, or will already copy their samples ...
  12. Altona
    Altona 6 November 2014 10: 20
    +4
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/craft/y20.html
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    Everything is written here ... Ukrainian wings from Antonov, Russian engines, IL-76 and Globmaster prototypes ... So people noticed everything correctly ...
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 November 2014 10: 43
    +1
    So far, the Chinese have not come up with anything original. With the "composition" they are bad. After the invention of gunpowder, apparently, the creative potential dried up (they simply cut out the inventors so as not to stir up). Deal with them. The impression is heavy. The textbook is quoted by heart. A step to the side is complete helplessness.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 6 November 2014 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So far, the Chinese have not come up with anything original. With the "composition" they are bad.

      And what original can you come up with in this direction? So that it was unlike the others to make it a midplane and use underwing landing gear? Do the doors of the cargo compartment side, and the tail unit make the V-shaped?
  14. sgr291158
    sgr291158 6 November 2014 11: 01
    +1
    Something similar to the An 148, only engines added.
  15. Alexandrovich
    Alexandrovich 6 November 2014 11: 11
    +2
    Well done work copy and do not bother! We can use this method!
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 6 November 2014 11: 23
      +1
      Not in our situation! We cannot take the position of catch-up, only being ahead of competitors will give at least some advantage over "potential" partners. "
      IMHO
    2. Altona
      Altona 6 November 2014 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: Alexandrovich
      Well done work copy and do not bother! We can use this method!

      --------------------------
      Copy those who do not have their own scientific school ... Our research institutes, no matter how scolded, stood still and all possible designs were beaten in equations and models ... And if you don’t have your own thought room, you take a wooden block with a plane and you plan, plan, plan copies ...
      PS Although China has its own fairly powerful research centers ... About 90 institutes work for the defense ...
  16. Horst78
    Horst78 6 November 2014 11: 29
    +2
    Here I read the comments and was taken aback in comparison with other planes. Guys, is there anything that all countries have the same aerodynamics laws? what
    1. Altona
      Altona 6 November 2014 11: 37
      0
      Quote: Horst78
      Guys, is there anything that all countries have the same aerodynamics laws?

      --------------------
      The laws are the same, the layouts are different ... The wings are either to the "back" of the fuselage or to the "belly" ... The configuration of the tail section is adapted for unloading equipment, the multi-wheeled chassis is adapted for landing on the ground without a prepared strip ...
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 6 November 2014 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        The laws are the same, the layouts are different ... The wings are either to the "back" of the fuselage or to the "belly" ... The configuration of the tail section is adapted for unloading equipment, the multi-wheeled chassis is adapted for landing on the ground without a prepared strip ...

        But you must admit that there are few options and all the possible ones were developed experimentally at the beginning of the 20 century.
        Well, the stool does not fly and that's it laughing
        1. Altona
          Altona 6 November 2014 12: 01
          +1
          Quote: Horst78
          But you must admit that there are few options and all the possible ones were developed experimentally at the beginning of the 20 century.
          Well, the stool does not fly and that's it

          -----------------------------
          A stool flies, and it’s easy ... A quadcopter is called, four screws on motors mounted on a plastic stool ... In any electronics store there is, come in, look ... Everything flies .. hi
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 6 November 2014 12: 14
            +1
            Quote: Altona
            A stool flies, and it’s easy ... A quadcopter is called, four screws on motors mounted on a plastic stool ... In any electronics store there is, come in, look ... Everything flies ..

            Everything, I’m waiting smile The ax is flying too. Was wrong. laughing hi
            1. Altona
              Altona 6 November 2014 12: 21
              +1
              Quote: Horst78
              The ax is flying too. Was wrong.

              ---------------------------
              In the form of a boomerang, it flies perfectly, in the form of a tomahawk it is pretty tolerable ... In general, with the right weight distribution, you can teach everything to fly and ride ... hi
    2. Manul
      Manul 6 November 2014 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Horst78
      Here I read the comments and was taken aback in comparison with other planes. Guys, is there anything that all countries have the same aerodynamics laws?

      And it freaks me out. hi the Chinese are good fellows. The new transporter is almost on the conveyor. A beautiful bird. I don’t observe any striking similarities (or do people want the original Chinese plane to look like a suitcase? And only then will they not be accused of copying?)
      We would have to suffer that we would only like this by the 20th year. But no, we should kick others. Apparently from resentment and envy. I will not hide - I’m most offended and envious. But I believe in our rebirth!
      1. Altona
        Altona 6 November 2014 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: Manul
        We would have to suffer that we would only like this by the 20th year. But no, we should kick others. Apparently from resentment and envy. I will not hide - I’m most offended and envious. But I believe in our rebirth!

        -------------------
        Our IL-476 is much better ... The production of our aircraft is hindered by an almost exhausted production base, poor marketing and almost runaway personnel ...
  17. Wolka
    Wolka 6 November 2014 11: 35
    0
    you can scold the Chinese as much as you like, they say they plagiarize wherever they can, but they do it and it becomes a serious argument in a new round of the world arms race ...
  18. Ofellon
    Ofellon 6 November 2014 12: 37
    +1
    The fuselage and plumage from the IL-76, the D-30KP2 engine, but they are going to put the Chinese, and they ordered the ramp from the Antonovites ...
  19. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 6 November 2014 13: 52
    +1
    In vain mock the Chinese.
    Any Chief Designer (including Chinese), having similar TK, relying on the invariable laws of physics and aesthetics (which is also connected with the properties of space and our ergonomic features) will always create a similar product - whether it is an airplane, a car, etc.
    The difference will be only in the elemental base - energy machines (engines), electrical filling, etc.
    The main thing - the Chinese have made their own aircraft, which will not depend on hoteliers and political games of foreign suppliers.
    And the fact that today he does not always reach foreign analogues, so for this they exist - M, NM and other degrees of modernization.
    1. Altona
      Altona 6 November 2014 14: 05
      0
      Quote: ma_shlomha
      The difference will be only in the elemental base - energy machines (engines), electrical filling, etc.
      The main thing - the Chinese have made their own aircraft, which will not depend on hoteliers and political games of foreign suppliers.

      ------------------------
      Dviguns suffer from them so far ... Learn to make them, completely different planes will be ... In the meantime, they themselves build only an airplane glider and avionics ...
    2. srelock
      srelock 6 November 2014 16: 15
      0
      Plus to you. I wanted to write the same thing.
  20. alekseinew
    alekseinew 6 November 2014 14: 18
    -2
    Yes, the cross-eyed generally got overwhelmed, they all squandered and even write about it http://warfiles.ru/show-72606-kitaycev-vozmutilo-kachestvo-proizvodstva-su-35.ht
    ml
  21. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 6 November 2014 22: 02
    0
    Quote: Koshak
    The Chinese do not steal, but simply buy a small batch.
    Hey. Absolutely correctly noticed. If there is an opportunity then buy a sample. All countries of the world try to do so. And there is nothing shameful here. There is one subtlety. They can sell us to China and break it off. The USSR also looked for samples to buy and thought it was the order of things. And the young man began to master a very serious technique of his own production. And they don’t bother with all sorts of comparisons. And the teachers live nearby in the north. And they have a return on science and industry. We have such an acceleration of industry and scientific research. Still not so long ago, there was a lot of money swearing, and now our liberals are scratching turnips from where to get it. Where are they to the Chinese. Our gut is thin. They look at Europe as an icon. Like where you think again without us ..