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Angara - the world's first rocket modular design

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November 1 leadership GKNPTs them. Khrunicheva reported that the new Angara A5 heavy launch vehicle, the world's first rocket, made according to the modular principle (formed as a designer), underwent a comprehensive diagnosis and is fully ready to launch from the Plesetsk cosmodrome.

Angara - the world's first rocket modular design


The light version of “Hangars” - А1 (1 module, 1,5 tonnage) successfully passed tests in June, now the 5 module rocket with 25,8 tons payload (200 km orbit) will be launched to the launch pad, and the next test flight the cycle is planned to launch A7 with a load of 35 tons and A7.2В with 50 tons. Experts say: if the project is implemented within the approved time frame, it will, firstly, significantly reduce the cost, simplify and speed up the entire space program of Roscosmos and the Ministry of Defense, and secondly, it will be able to redraw the entire world rocket and space market in the future, because will be equal to the cost of delivery of a unit of cargo to any of the sought-after orbits.

It was decided to replace the launch vehicles of the heavy class of the Proton family immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Initially, the goal was the same - to create a launch vehicle entirely from Russian components, without any cooperation, even with the closest allies in the CIS. At the same time, it also had to start only from the Russian territory - the Plesetsk cosmodrome. Nikolai Moiseyev, a member of the military-industrial commission under the government of the Russian Federation, said: “The goal that was set before the developers, the domestic rocket and space industry, was: to ensure Russia's independent access to space. That is, with the help of this new rocket, the Angara, it is necessary to ensure the output of spacecraft, which we could previously launch from Baikonur, from our domestic space center Plesetsk. Such a task was set by the leadership of the country. This does not mean that we refuse to continue using the Baikonur cosmodrome, it is still in demand, it is still used for civilian purposes. But I must say that by now there are no military personnel left at Baikonur, it has completely passed under civil jurisdiction. ”

Based on the decision of the Scientific and Technical Council of the Military Space Forces of 3 August 1992 on the issue “Launchers: Status and Prospects for their Modernization and Development” complex) heavy class. The contest was attended by RSC Energia. Academician S. P. Korolev, GKNPTs them. M. V. Khrunichev and GRTS "KB them. Academician V.P. Makeev, who submitted several types of launch vehicles to the specially formed Interdepartmental Expert Commission. In August, 15, the competition won the option proposed by the GKNPTs them. MV Khrunichev, who was appointed head developer of the complex.

Further development of the project actually froze due to chronic underfunding of the industry in the 90s. Active work was resumed only in 2001, when the first space program of Russia was born, provided with real financial resources. However, the new design team proposed to expand the task - to design not just a fully domestic rocket and a launch pad for it, as it sounded in the task, but also to significantly improve its tactical and technical characteristics, i.e. make a carrier who will win a tough competition in a booming global market. Although initially "Angara" was intended solely for military needs. To do this, it was necessary, first of all, to solve two fundamental tasks: to make the rocket design easier and to reduce the amount of investment, both initial and operational.

Designers went a simple way - by unifying technology. They offered to make a rocket universal in the class of payload in the form of a designer, which can be quickly assembled depending on the tasks at hand, transported without the use of expensive energy-intensive systems and mounted on the launch complex in a matter of minutes. At the same time, the launch complex, which normally consumes up to 40% of investments, should be only one for all categories of missiles of the family. Although for each class of rockets in the world a launch pad designed for it is used separately. And this is a savings of about 30% of the total budget for development and production, and about 24% - in operating costs. “In fact, in this project, by creating two basic modules, we get the whole range of light, medium and heavy class missiles - Angara-1, Angara-3 and Angara-5.” There is always one launcher for light, medium or heavy missiles — sometimes a light launcher and a middle launcher can be launched from one launcher — the whole spectrum of loads and the whole spectrum of light, medium and heavy class projects are not. This reduces the cost of the project in the sense that it is not necessary to build three separate launching tables, ”Moiseyev said.

In addition, the rapidly developing composite materials science came in handy - about 36% of the rocket parts were made of third-generation composite materials, which reduced the overall proportion of the entire system by 12,3%. This success, in turn, made it possible to think about environmental cleanliness — the rocket was made working on clean fuel — kerosene, whose oxidant is oxygen. Previously, all heavy-class missiles flew only on toxic heptyl. According to this indicator, Russia is only a catching party - today there are already “clean” space rockets in the world - the European Ariane-5 and the American Falcon-9, but they clearly lag behind the Angara in terms of launch costs and total investment capacity. In addition, none of them are able to lift into space such a mass of cargo. The latest version of the Falcon 9 v1.1 puts 13,1 tons into low reference orbit (LEO), and the geo-transfer (GPO) tonnes 4,8. European Ariane-5 last modification - maximum 6,3 per GPO. Already in December of this year, Angara-5 will lift 25,8 tons by 200 km (6,6 by GPO), after adding another 2-x universal rocket modules (URM) to 2015 tons (35 on GPO, rocket) already in the “designer” on the assembly) and set a world record, and in 12,5, the Ministry of Defense will launch it with 2016 tons (50 tons per GPO).

In terms of investment, Angara also furnished all its competitors. The American company has already spent more than 9 billion dollars on the Falcon-5,2 program, the total amount of the project reaches 7,5 billion, the European Space Agency's budget for Ariane exceeded 3,2 billion euros, the total investment is planned in 5,8 billion euros. “Angara” cost the Russian budget 96 billion rubles, i.e. even at the old rate this is 3,2 billion dollars. The minimum price per kilogram of payload for the Falcon is 4, thousands of dollars per kilogram for NOU and 9,5 thousand for GPO. Other space projects should not even be considered, because the European rocket is losing to the American by 12%, of which the head of SpaceX is publicly proud, and the Chinese “heavy” rocket PH CZ-11 still exists only in words. The cost of shipping 1 kg with "Angar" is only 2,4 thousands of dollars to NOU and 4,6 thousand to GPO. Experts believe that at least in a ten-year period - from 2018, when the new launch vehicle will be launched into the series, and up to 2027, it will be the absolute leader in the market of space trucks with low cost services to competitors.

What is even more valuable - the designer of the "Angara" on basic technologies provides for its use in the manned version, which can be called the breakthroughs in the global astronautics. Manned ships have always been designed as separate projects for completely different standards that are not compatible with trucks. Roscosmos plans to begin the practical implementation of rocket launches with a team of astronauts from 2018 compared to the Unions that have been performing this function for the last decades, delivery and return of people to the ISS will fall in price by 25-30%, which is about 10 million dollars for each go. " In 2019, Angara should fly to the moon, and in 2022 it should fly to Mars. True, these are not yet approved plans, but technical perspectives that are already incorporated in the project. “To date, he was preparing for Plesetsk as a truck, but now orders have been given and the question is being worked out that the task of a manned launch will be solved at Vostochny. Because there is everything for that. There are procedures associated with the fact that we need flight qualifications, the responsibility is much higher, so there are procedures by which a rocket receives flight qualifications for manned launches. And the first is that it should be run in a cargo version. ”
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  1. psychologist
    psychologist 8 November 2014 07: 32
    +9
    we will have more abrupt rockets!))
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 8 November 2014 08: 10
      +7
      Quote: psychologist
      we will have more abrupt rockets!))


      God grant, God grant.

      passed a comprehensive diagnosis and is fully ready to launch from the Plesetsk cosmodrome.


      Well then - we will keep our fists.
    2. Denis fj
      Denis fj 9 November 2014 15: 23
      +1


      1. An easy version of the "Angara" ... in June of this year successfully passed the test

      In July.

      2. Although for each class of missiles in the world, a launch pad separately designed for it is used.

      Atlas V rockets with a carrying capacity of 3970 to 8700 kg fly into a geo-transitional orbit from the same launch complex.

      3. This success, in turn, made it possible to think about environmental cleanliness.

      "Clean" fuel components were laid down in the terms of reference initially.

      4. today in the world there are already "clean" space rockets - the European Ariane-5 and the American Falcon-9

      What did Atlas V and Delta IV not please?

      5. European Ariane-5 of the latest modification - a maximum of 6,3 per GPO.

      The European Ariane-5 flies regularly with a payload of over 10000 kg per GPO. For example, in February 2014, at the launch of VA217, it amounted to 10214 kg.

      6. "Angara-5" in December this year will raise 25,8 tons per 200 km (6,6 per GPO)

      The purpose of the December launch is to deliver a spacecraft mockup to geostationary orbit. Its mass was not called anywhere. The author gives a theoretical capacity, which in this case will not be realized.


      7. after adding another 2 universal missile modules (URMs) to the “designer” in spring 2015, it will deliver 35 tons (12,5 to GPO, the missile is already assembled) and set a world record, and in 2016 the Ministry of Defense will launch it with 50 tons ( 19 tons per GPO).

      Plans for such launches do not exist, the material part for them is not manufactured. The Ministry of Defense did not state the need for heavy versions of the Angara.

      8. For the Falcon-9 program, the American company has already spent more than 5,2 billion dollars, the total amount of the project reaches 7,5 billion

      Unproven statements not based on facts.

      9. The minimum price per kilogram of payload for the Falcon is 4 thousand dollars per kilogram for the IEO and 9,5 thousand for the GPO.

      The contract launch price of Asiasat 8 is $ 52.2 million, weight 4575 kg, 11400 is obtained per kilogram.


      10. European missile loses to American by 12%

      What is this all about?

      11. The cost of delivering 1 kg with Angara is only 2,4 thousand dollars to NOU and 4,6 thousand to GPO.

      Where do these estimates come from? Does the author seriously believe that an Angara with an accelerating block will cost $ 30 million?


      12. Manned ships have always been designed as separate projects according to completely different standards that are not compatible with trucks.

      The Soyuz-U rocket has been used for decades for both launching manned spacecraft of the Soyuz family and reconnaissance satellites.

      13. Delivery and return of people to the ISS will become cheaper by 25-30%, which is about $ 10 million for each "trip"

      Where do these estimates come from?

      14. In 2019, the "Angara" should fly to the moon, and in 2022 - to Mars.

      An Angara, like a launch vehicle, cannot fly to either the Moon or Mars. She can bring the spacecraft to the flight path to the named bodies. However, there are no plans to use it for this purpose.
    3. no matter who i am
      no matter who i am 9 November 2014 21: 13
      -3
      In my opinion, in the photo there is a water tank imitating a rocket (otherwise why the hatch on the cap?)
      1. I think so
        I think so 9 November 2014 23: 07
        +4
        no matter who i am
        According to your comment, it’s already clear who you are - stupid p.i.nd.so.s. In the photo, the TRANSPORT START CONTAINER, and not the rocket ... THERE IS INSIDE THIS CONTAINER and the rocket is located, and the hatch in the container for servicing the rocket located there ... Well, I don’t understand why I should show MY STUPID to people?
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 8 November 2014 07: 40
    +3
    That's when it starts to fly steadily, then we need to talk about some successes.
  3. psychologist
    psychologist 8 November 2014 07: 40
    +5
    and the hangar will be the best in its class !! the main thing is to reduce human errors !! quality and quantity! space is ours !!
  4. sv68
    sv68 8 November 2014 07: 49
    +3
    again, twenty-five! only one of the entire series is done and one launch was made, after thirty successful launches and draw conclusions, but for now it's too early to talk about anything else.
  5. or
    or 8 November 2014 08: 09
    +5
    "Angara" is a family of modular-type launch vehicles with oxygen-kerosene engines, which includes carriers of four classes - from light to heavy - in the range of load capacities from 1,5 ("Angara 1.1") to 35 ("Angara A7") [ 1] tons in low Earth orbit (at launch from the Plesetsk launch site). The lead developer and manufacturer of the Angara family launch vehicle is the MV Khrunichev State Space Research and Production Center.
  6. Igorisep
    Igorisep 8 November 2014 08: 53
    +13
    The author writes astronauts will fly. Will the astronauts get the rocket or not?
    1. alebor
      alebor 10 November 2014 11: 02
      +1
      Apparently, not only the police were renamed to the police, but also the astronauts to astronauts.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 11 November 2014 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: alebor
        Apparently, not only the police were renamed to the police, but also the astronauts to astronauts.

        Hmm, ah! So instead of the Russian Federation, the United States (United States of EuroAsia) will appear.
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  7. rubin6286
    rubin6286 8 November 2014 11: 46
    +15
    Articles about rocketry are perhaps the most interesting on the VO website, because for a number of reasons they are not widely used in the open press. The technologies used in space exploration in the interests of various branches of science are then applied in various fields of human activity: in medicine, agriculture, metallurgy, chemistry, biology, electronics, etc. etc.

    The successful launch of the light version of the Angara is only the beginning of a new grandiose project of the Russian cosmonautics. Many of the technical solutions incorporated in it are unique and innovative. This applies not only to the rocket itself, but also to a number of systems and units of the launch complex, which should not only be suitable for the intended use, but also simple in design, convenient in operation and maintenance by technical personnel. Here, it seems to me, a significant field for inventors and rationalizers.

    At the same time, certain issues posed by the author of the article are understood by him very superficially.

    I personally participated in more than 200 missile launch operations (that is, missile launches) from the Plesetsk cosmodrome and I can say that the operational assembly of the rocket at the launch complex “in a matter of minutes”, which the author of the article talks about, is stupid fiction designed for the amateur .

    The assembly of the rocket stages is carried out in a horizontal position at a technical position, i.e. in the assembly and testing building (MIKE), where all its units and systems are checked and docked, the product is verticalized, and so on. Operations take place almost simultaneously with the product being loaded onto a special transportation unit - the installer. Only then is the spacecraft itself installed on a rocket.

    Imagine that when docking on the launch complex, the fasteners did not coincide with the holes for them at all, or the electrical connectors are not fixed by thread. Sometimes it happens. Who will eliminate such defects at the launch complex, how and with what?

    The assertion that “for each class of missiles in the world a launch pad separately designed for it is used” is only partially true. In fact, the nomenclature of the used space rockets is relatively small, as well as launch sites for them, one more or one less, what difference does it make, especially since some launch sites are used to launch several types of rockets. Another thing is when a number of missiles are discontinued and replaced by one universal carrier, then the presence of a single launch complex seems natural, optimal and reasonable.
  8. turanchox
    turanchox 8 November 2014 12: 48
    +1
    “clean” space rockets already exist in the world today - European Ariane-5

    very funny, I should remind that a couple of TTU Ariana throws no less shit than "Proton"
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2014 13: 10
    +1
    Let's believe that we will succeed!
  10. Fidel
    Fidel 8 November 2014 14: 31
    +13
    Regarding cleanliness.
    As far as I remember, there are oxygen-hydrogen super-powerful engines "Energia".
    Nowhere is cleaner.
    At the exit, water vapor is obtained.
    The carrier of the super-heavy class "Energia" is also unique with the possibility of withdrawing ships of completely different types.
    It is a pity that Roskosmos has not yet reached his hands.
  11. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 November 2014 16: 55
    +7
    Quote: Fidel
    Regarding cleanliness.
    As far as I remember, there are oxygen-hydrogen super-powerful engines "Energia".
    Nowhere is cleaner.
    At the exit, water vapor is obtained.
    The carrier of the super-heavy class "Energia" is also unique with the possibility of withdrawing ships of completely different types.
    It is a pity that Roskosmos has not yet reached his hands.

    undoubtedly "Energia" is the most powerful and successful rocket not only in Russia, but also in the entire world space rocketry sphere ... it is a pity that the developments of this complex are not used ...
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 8 November 2014 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      undoubtedly "Energia" is the most powerful and successful rocket not only in Russia, but also in the entire world space rocketry sphere ... it is a pity that the developments of this complex are not used ...


      It is these developments that are used. Energy was initially calculated and designed as modular, however, like Zenith. Continuity is the place to be!
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    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 9 November 2014 12: 40
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      undoubtedly "Energia" is the most powerful and successful rocket not only in Russia but also in the entire world space rocketry sphere
      One can compare the characteristics of the Energia, Saturn-5 and N-1 carrier rockets (which never flew). Saturn-5 has the least thrust (5 * 690 = 3450 tf, while Energy 4 * 740 + 4 * 155 = 3580 tf, and H-1 as much as 30 * 154 = 4620 tf !!!), but it outputs the most : as much as 140 tons per LEO (Energy 105, and N-1 with the most powerful thrust at the ground and even less - 90).
      It's all about the own dry mass of missiles, H-1 - 209 tons, Energy 225 tons, Saturn 188 tons.
      1. viktorR
        viktorR 9 November 2014 16: 24
        +3
        And where is this saturn? And where is this wonderful f-1 engine? Or did the Americans also have perestroika and collapse into separate states? In short, the more I learn about Saturn, the less I believe in the skeptics of Americans flying to the moon ... Although my very respected designer Chertok Boris Evseevich stated in his memoirs that the Americans were flying, saying that they couldn’t deceive humanity like that, recognizing American politics more and more and stronger, I understand that all the same they could ...
  12. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 November 2014 20: 38
    +4
    Quote: studentmati
    It is these developments that are used. Energy was initially calculated and designed as modular, however, like Zenith. Continuity is the place to be!

    however, the power plant is different ... you must admit that it is several times more successful with Energy
    1. lonovila
      lonovila 9 November 2014 06: 39
      -1
      -Of course "Energy" ...- "many times more successful" ...
      -But again, the same treacherous (sabotage-Chubais) "principle" works, according to which the same worthless Armata tank is put into production for arming the Russian army .., instead of the beautiful modern one (this was recognized by all foreign military experts) tank "Black Eagle" ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 9 November 2014 12: 05
        +3
        Quote: lonovila
        instead of the beautiful modern (this was recognized by all foreign military experts) tank "Black Eagle" ...

        I wonder where they saw him and managed to appreciate it?
    2. saag
      saag 9 November 2014 12: 06
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      with Energy it is many times more successful

      because the second stage is hydrogen?
  13. mivail
    mivail 8 November 2014 22: 16
    +1
    This project has good commercial prospects, which will allow Russia to continue to occupy a leading position in the space industry. If only we had time to untwist, while we didn’t get sanctions on the tonsils before the dies.
  14. Tribuns
    Tribuns 8 November 2014 23: 09
    +1
    After the collapse of the USSR and the "years of the big hapk" that followed it, we lost the habit of the successes of Russia as a great space power ... "But hope dies last," - we are waiting for preparation for the launch and the very start of all three modifications of the Angara launch vehicle ...
  15. Alex_good
    Alex_good 9 November 2014 03: 05
    +3
    it is good that they decided to check it on astronauts ... they should be protected =)))
  16. Mestny
    Mestny 9 November 2014 09: 39
    +3
    Quote: lonovila
    according to which the same worthless Armata tank is put into production for arming the Russian army ... instead of the excellent modern (this was recognized by all foreign military experts) tank "Black Eagle" ...

    Please give information where you can find out about the worthlessness of "Armata" and about the beautiful "Black Eagle"?
    1. lonovila
      lonovila 9 November 2014 10: 43
      -10
      -Type in any "search engine" (even in Yandex) this is "Tank" Black Eagle "- an interrupted flight | Tank" Black Eagle "...
      -There you will see the video with the "Black Eagle", the opinions of experts and all the characteristics and the full potential of the "Black Eagle" tank ...
      -But the tank "Black Eagle" was criminally and intentionally "eliminated" ...
      -And this tank "Armata" of the Ural wagon plant was "pushed through" by the Ural "lobby" (the "predominant Sverdlovsk connections" with Moscow affected) ... modified "T-72" ...
      -What kind of "metal" is obtained from these tanks ... -you can see from the video clips, where the episodes of the battles in Novorossiya were filmed ...
      -Everyone for some reason rejoices ... -that's, they say, -Kropovskie tanks ("T-64" and "T-72") ... -What a joy ... -But the same tanks are armed with the Russian army. .. -In the same way, our same tanks will burn ... -Read about the war in Chechnya, where the whole tank "Maikop brigade" was "burned" ... and not only that ...
      -And here again the same "old tank" are trying to push into the armament of Russia ... -Do not feel sorry for our soldiers who will fight on such outdated "armature" tanks ..?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 9 November 2014 12: 04
        +3
        Quote: lonovila
        Type in any "search engine" (even in Yandex)

        Um .. level of knowledge already understand ..

        Quote: lonovila
        And the tank "Armata" is the same notorious long ago outdated, slightly modified "T-72"

        Yeah? "And the boys don't even know" .. uninhabited tower, new shooting and targeting complex .. so, offhand, from open sources .. And the truth is "slightly modified T72" good

        Quote: lonovila
        padded Ukrop tanks ("T-64" and "T-72") ... But the Russian army is armed with the same tanks

        T64 withdrawn from service Russian army. T72 not in service Ukrainian army. Strange, huh?

        Quote: lonovila
        tank "Maykop brigade"

        ... she’s still a motorized rifle, feel the difference ..

        Addition :

        - "Black Eagle" - he is still a tank. Just a tank (just a moose wink )
        “Armata is a unified platform for a tank, infantry fighting vehicle, ARV and hell-knows-what-else .. do you need to explain the advantages of unification, or is it clear?”
        - Some successful solutions from the Black Eagle were used in Armata too. Which - ... I don't know laughing
        - Armata is already in the hardware, and will be at the Victory Parade in 2015. At least, they told me - "if you order, we will roll it out."

        You minus, call ..
        1. lonovila
          lonovila 9 November 2014 13: 24
          -8
          -You, "smart guy", argue from the position of the Ural "from the undercar" ...
          - For starters, at least watch the documentary that was shown two months ago, where the general director grins widely and talks for a long time about the "Ural tank", about the "Kharkov tank" and even about the "Leningrad tank" ...
          -But about the Omsk tank "Black Eagle" (T-95), even half a word did not say ... -And the uniqueness of the tank "Black Eagle" was recognized by all foreign experts ... -It's clear, every director wants to receive orders for "his products ", but not at the expense of their own security and not to the detriment of their own state ... -Let them supply their T-90s to India ... to someone else ... -and the Russian army must be armed not old, but the latest modern technology ...
          _____________________________
          Cat Man Null writes:

          - "T64 has been removed from service with the Russian army. T72 is not in service with the Ukrainian army. Strange, right? [/ Quote]"
          + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
          - Of course it's strange ... - because dill are fighting entirely on "Abrams" and "Merkavas" ...
          ______________________________

          Cat Man Null writes:

          [quote = Cat Man Null] - some successful solutions from Black Eagle are used in Armat too. What - ... I don't know [/ quote]
          ++++++++++++++++++++++++
          -Me too ... -Something understood ... -Hahah ...
          ____________________________

          Cat Man Null writes:

          [quote = Cat Man Null] ... she's a motorized rifle, feel the difference .. [/ quote]

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          -And in Chechnya, not only the "Maykop brigade" (motorized rifle) was destroyed, but in general many tanks of other units were destroyed ... -read carefully ...
          ________________________________
          Cat Man Null writes:

          [quote = Cat Man Null] - Armata is already in the hardware, and will be at the Victory Parade in 2015.
          At least, they told me - "if they order, we will roll it out." [/ Quote]
          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          - I guessed ... - "sandpiper" from Uralvagonzavod ... - why not praise your own ...

          -And the Black Eagle is also "in hardware" ... -And you thought, -only "in virtual" ... -Could put it on stream in Omsk too ... -All the more, it is much more advanced "Armata". ..
          ________________________
          Cat Man Null writes:

          [quote = Cat Man Null] You minus, call .. [/ quote]
          + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
          -Same...
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 November 2014 13: 31
            +1
            Quote: lonovila
            Also in Omsk they could put it on the stream ... - Moreover, it is much more advanced "Armata" ...
            Well, nonsense, you Madam said ... Although I'm sorry, explain, but in what "PROMOTE"? At least a few positions. Well, please the "armored"
      2. svp67
        svp67 9 November 2014 13: 28
        +4
        Quote: lonovila
        And the Armata tank is the same notorious long ago outdated, slightly modified T-72 ...
        The data is from where, at least show a picture, this machine exists in several test copies, and they are different from each other, and you already described it like that, they destroyed the whole intrigue. They all want to see her on May 9, 2015.
        1. lonovila
          lonovila 9 November 2014 13: 48
          -2
          -If the "Black Eagle" is eager to see .., then it exists in real life ... -There are even video clips with this tank and the technical description and potential weapons (gun from 125mm to ... up to 155mm), a completely different crew location inside the tank, etc.
          -About "Armata" the general dr. Of "Uralvagonzavod" himself ... said that it was a tank, a "derivative" of the "T-90" ... -Further "catch up" yourself ...
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 9 November 2014 13: 58
            +1
            Quote: lonovila
            About "Armata" the general dr. Of "Uralvagonzavod" himself ... expressed that it was a tank, "derivative" of the "T-90"

            Give Pruflink? I didn’t find anything like this, but I’m personally unknown to the Director winked
          2. svp67
            svp67 9 November 2014 14: 03
            +2
            Quote: lonovila
            (gun from 125mm right down to 155mm),
            Madam, have you ever seen a tank "alive" in "metal"? And you know, for example, what is the difference between guns 120 mm from 125 mm, and 152 from 155?
            Quote: lonovila
            -About "Armata" the general dr. Of "Uralvagonzavod" himself ... expressed that this is a tank, "derivative" of the "T-90"
            Well, where will go, of course, development. So the T34 was also the whole development of the BT tank, but here, as they say, "feel the difference", but it is SIGNIFICANT.
            Quote: lonovila
            -Further "catch up" yourself ...
            Well, where are we, pensioners for such a nimble ...
            1. lonovila
              lonovila 9 November 2014 14: 29
              -3
              -Well, since you don't want to "catch up", then ... -that's not necessary ... -It's much easier for the Chinese to "buy" tanks ...
              -Chinese cars, trucks and tractors are already normally sold out in Russia ... -There are tanks, too, "next in line" ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 9 November 2014 14: 36
                +1
                Quote: lonovila
                then ... it’s not necessary ..
                You have evaded the answer, do not translate the "arrows" Answer
                explain, and in what "PROMOTE"?

                How do the 120 mm guns differ from 125 mm, and 152 from 155?
                If you can’t, then have the courage to admit your incompetence in this matter.
                1. lonovila
                  lonovila 9 November 2014 15: 28
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                  -I do not pretend to be any "special competence" ...
                  -But still..:
                  -The undercarriage of the "Black Eagle" is a modified undercarriage from the "T-80U" with a turret of a new design ... - Read more on FB.ru

                  -In the past, an arms exhibition was held in Omsk rather sato ...
                  -And there have always been tank competitions ... -They boiled down to specific competitions between the Omsk T-80 tank and the Nizhny Tagil T-90 tank ... -And the Omsk tank always won in all respects the Nizhny Tagil tank (and in combat firing including) ... -But it remained "in the shadows" ... -The then governor of the Sverdlovsk region Rossel E.E. enjoyed unlimited support from Moscow ... -Like now -Yekaterinburg ("Uralvagonzavod") ... -is "in favor" of Moscow ...

                  The Black Eagle tank itself belongs to the fourth-generation systems, it implements a lot of innovative solutions. In addition, the layout was applied, which is significantly different from both domestic and foreign armored vehicles. Engineers have proposed a new form of execution of the tower with significantly reduced overall dimensions and body, characterized by a sectioned bow. In order to increase the protection of the crew, he was placed below the tower level. The cabin was completely isolated from the reserved fuel and shells, as well as the exhaust of powder gases generated during the firing. Ammunition of the first stage is located in the automatic loader in a special protected removable module, which is installed in the rear of the tower. The tank "Black Eagle" has a three-level protection, which includes active means from hit by shells moving in the direction of the machine, as well as passive differentially placed armor with elements of hydrodynamic and dynamic protection. It is suitable for rapid deployment and transportation, including air travel.
                  The "Black Eagle" tank consists of a chassis with tracks, a hull with an inhabited compartment and a motor-transmission compartment, a turret, an armament complex (high-efficiency ammunition, a cannon with automatic loading) and protection. The tower is in the form of a low flat dome, armored rounded in front and straight on the sides of a stern sheet. Tank "Black Eagle" is equipped with a set of devices that allows you to detect the radiation of optical and electronic means of the enemy and suppress them, as well as to identify and destroy damaging means attacking at a distance, which excludes damage to the machine itself. The nose part of the armored body is divided into sealed insulated compartments, installed along the longitudinal axis. In the lateral compartments are placed fuel tanks, and on the average - the control compartment. In the hull there is a hatch for the driver-mechanic, and in the tower - for the commander and gunner. Inhabited compartment is equipped with adjustable seats for the crew. The entire ammunition is located outside the hull at maximum distance from the residential compartments. Shells of the first stage are located behind the tower, above the roof of the engine compartment.
                  Caterpillar belts are equipped with special removable expanders with the possibility of their mounting on both sides of the track. The dimensions of the tank with the removed external extensions correspond to the railway standard.
                  For Omsk designers, the Black Eagle tank became a testing ground for the introduction of new technical solutions, which have no analogues in the world. Thus, the innovation in the arrangement of residential modules and the stored fuel stock, as well as the placement of ammunition in a separate detachable unit, significantly improved the survivability of the crew in combat conditions, even in the case of direct hit in the shell of the enemy shell, and the three-level defense system significantly reduced this probability.
                  1. lonovila
                    lonovila 9 November 2014 15: 43
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                    Continuation of the "black eagle" ..:

                    Caliber gun from 125-152 mm, the projectile is accelerated in the barrel by an electromagnetic field.
                    Coaxial with a gun 7,62 mm machine gun.
                    Remote anti-aircraft installation with a new 12,7-mm machine gun “Cord”.
                    Guided missiles are available.
                    It is planned to use charges with liquid propellants.
                    The tank has active protection means of the "Arena" type. This system is a plate with explosives attached to the armor of the tank. When a projectile hits one of these plates, it explodes and throws the projectile aside
                    The tank is equipped with a new 1500 hp multi-fuel gas turbine engine Since the combat weight does not exceed 50 tons, in terms of such an indicator as specific power, it also surpasses most of the tanks of the world (30 hp / t against the usual 20-25 hp / t). This, in turn, determines the high speed characteristics of the tank.
                    The crew of 1-3 people, is located in a special armored capsule, separated from the tower and the charging machine booking. The gun is located in a small tower without a crew.
                    This concept allows you to significantly reduce the silhouette of the tank, making it less visible on the battlefield. Also significantly improves the safety of the crew, separated from the fighting compartment armored.
                    When a shell enters the ammunition compartment and detonates it, the energy of the explosion goes up through the knockout panels, thereby the crew remains intact.
                    Tank survivability is enhanced by the most modern, carefully designed for computers and at the same time simple layout of the main components of the machine. If one of them fails, the tank is still capable of performing a combat mission.
                    To protect the "Eagle" on the top of the tower mounted laser radiation sensors.
                    Launchers are installed on the sides, which are designed to shoot shells
                    complex "Drozd-M".
                    This tank has a system of optoelectronic suppression anti-tank guided
                    rocket shells.
                    The tank cannon can fire direct fire at a distance of 5 km or more.
                    Tanks of other states of the world do not yet have such a firing range.
                    -Etc...
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 9 November 2014 16: 23
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                      Quote: lonovila
                      The projectile is accelerated in the barrel by an electromagnetic field.
                      Ma'am ... you can no longer continue ... the site about science fiction is different, you and IT.
                      The gun is located in a small tower without a crew.
                      Alas, the usual tower on it, with a crew ...
                      Where did you get this fiction from? You confused about. 640 aka "Black Eagle"
                      with what is known as T95,
                      but this car is just Tagil. Madam, well, you shouldn't get into these "armored jungles", well, it's not yours ...
                      And if "Black Eagle" is so dear to you, then look at his "nephew" T90MS, very similar ...
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                    2. svp67
                      svp67 9 November 2014 16: 56
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                      = lonovila] Cannon caliber from 125-152 mm, the projectile is accelerated in the barrel by an electromagnetic field.

                      Quote: lonovila
                      The tank has active protection means of the "Arena" type. This system is a plate with explosives attached to the armor of the tank.

                      Quote: lonovila
                      The tank cannon can fire direct fire at a distance of 5 km or more.
                      Tanks of other states of the world do not yet have such a firing range.

                      Here you can apparently thank you, sincerely, for a long time did not laugh like that. Anyone who wrote all this CONCEPT does not have anything to write about.
                      1. lonovila
                        lonovila 9 November 2014 18: 23
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                        -What is so funny ..? -Well, giggle yourself ...- who does not give you ...
                        -In Russia, there are two main troubles (almost in the classics) ... -These are bad roads (and now tanks) and ... "giggling" ...
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 9 November 2014 20: 26
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                        Quote: lonovila
                        -What is so funny ..?
                        Very, since, what was written here UNPROFESSIONALLY ... and this is always funny.
                        You must understand, I am sincerely glad that there is still one person who is not indifferent to our tank building, but you simply don’t know much and are ready to believe all sorts of charlatans who “heard the ringing, but don’t know where he is.”
                        Our tanks are not bad, when they were the best, but now they are rapidly becoming obsolete, in our country, unfortunately, there was a period when there were many other concerns and we simply didn’t think about defenses, as a result of which we are now simply forced to go through the evolutionary development of tanks at a very fast pace.
                  2. svp67
                    svp67 9 November 2014 15: 43
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                    Well, in order.
                    Quote: lonovila
                    The Black Eagle's undercarriage is a modified T-80U undercarriage with a new turret design.
                    That is, this tank is a development of the T80 ...
                    Quote: lonovila
                    They boiled down to specific competitions between the Omsk tank "T-80" and the Nizhny Tagil tank "T-90" ... -And the Omsk tank always won in all respects the Nizhny Tagil tank (including in combat firing)
                    Let me tell you one secret. In terms of the fire capabilities of the T90, T90A and T80, in its best modification - "U", one to one, since they are almost identical, so that victory here depends more on the training of the crew. The only thing the T80 is better at is its speed characteristics.
                    Quote: lonovila
                    The Black Eagle tank itself belongs to the fourth-generation systems, it implements a lot of innovative solutions
                    And no one will deny this and will not, moreover, I will tell you that some decisions on the "Eagle" were applied by "foreign" tank builders. But that was still in the last century, now is the 21st century, and the "neighbors" are already adopting new weapon systems and we must already respond to them. This is what our designers and engineers are trying to do, by the way, the "Omsk", those that did "Black Eagle", in a new promising project - "Armata"
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          3. svp67
            svp67 9 November 2014 14: 21
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            Quote: lonovila
            If the "Black Eagle" is eager to see .., then it exists in real life ...
            This tank was "EXCELLENT" yesterday, "NOT BAD" today, but tomorrow it is already "OUTDATE", and this "tomorrow" comes faster than we wish, with more and more ATGMs of the Javelin type ATGM entering service with the armies of the world
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        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 November 2014 13: 50
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          Quote: svp67
          I guessed it ... - "sandpiper" from "Uralvagonzavod" ... - why not praise your own ...

          The girl did not guess .. I have nothing to do with Armata, as well as UralWagonZavod ..

          Quote: svp67
          at least show a picture (Almaty)

          My friend, who works at NIIStali and, unlike me, has a relation to Armata, made big eyes at my same request and hissed "nizzya !!"

          laughing
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 November 2014 14: 08
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            at my same request he made big eyes and hissed "nizzyaya !!"
            A person does not want to lose his job, that's all ... The project is still "secret". And most importantly, as on May 9, what will pass through Red Square is not a fact that it will go into service in that form. As far as I know, there are still many unresolved issues, the machine is very "revolutionary" for our tank industry. There are too many mutually exclusive requirements.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 9 November 2014 14: 21
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              Quote: svp67
              A person does not want to lose his job, that's all ... The project is still "secret".

              Yes, it’s clear just, I was not offended smile Himself fighters from the car drove when they wanted to focus on it. By the way - it is unclear how they are getting out of it now - each warrior has a mobile phone, and a mobile camera belay
              1. svp67
                svp67 9 November 2014 14: 25
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                Quote: Cat Man Null
                each warrior has a mobile, and a mobile has a camera
                And the prison, as there was one, has remained ... In general, the principle that "they do not punish those who did, but those who are caught" works in full ... Who posted on the social network, who boasted where ... and the result is the same - meeting people who have "clean hands, a warm heart and a cold head"
        3. viruvalge412ee
          viruvalge412ee 23 November 2014 12: 32
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          Like t 34 together with katyushas suddenly out of nowhere with vodka and quilted jackets pancake
  17. Bayonet
    Bayonet 9 November 2014 12: 10
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    The Angara is the first modular missile in the world.
    Launch vehicles built on a modular principle - Russia (LV of the Angara family), USA (LV Atlas 5HLV - Lockheed Martin, Delta IV Heavy - Boeing). The launch vehicle of the modular design with a certain degree of conventionality includes the launch vehicle of the N-2A family, developed by Mitsubishi for JAXA, the Japanese space agency.
    Launch vehicle Delta IV Heavy on the launch pad.
  18. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 November 2014 12: 55
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    Quote: saag
    because the second stage is hydrogen?

    not only for this ... if I’m not mistaken, then the thrust of the Energy engines will be more ... and think for yourself when the Energy was created, and if it all developed and improved, the Angara would simply not be needed .. .
  19. GDV
    GDV 9 November 2014 16: 57
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    Americans on the moon did not fly this fake.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 November 2014 17: 11
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      Quote: GDV
      Americans on the moon did not fly this fake.
      Yeah, why are there little things, America itself - Fake
    2. viruvalge412ee
      viruvalge412ee 23 November 2014 12: 43
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      All my life I have been tormented by this issue! He spoke even with the general of the space forces of the Russian Federation; he did not receive a clear answer. But, one thing is clear - they were not, but we were!
  20. SveTok
    SveTok 9 November 2014 18: 46
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    The correct, technical solution well done.
  21. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 November 2014 20: 23
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    Quote: lonovila
    Well, since you don’t want to "catch up", then ... you don’t need to ... -It is much easier to "buy" tanks from the Chinese ...
    -Chinese cars, trucks and tractors are already normally sold out in Russia ... -There are tanks, too, "next in line" ...

    "Black Eagle" was a platform for developments and innovations ... on the one hand, the tank is really good, no doubt (and Western experts admitted that the Eagle is the best tank today) ... but ... it is expensive in production and it does not float ... as part of the rearmament of the army, this is a luxury ... Armata surpasses both Vladimir and Orel in many respects, because all the developments of these tanks were refined, developed and poured into this platform ... BUT THIS IS A UNIFIED COMPLEX WHAT SIMPLIES THE MODERNIZATION OF THE ARMY ... and lastly ... dear, where did you see Armata and most importantly how do you know the technical characteristics of this technique?