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Putin's Underwater Surprise

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With the advent of the new Russian submarine "Lada", an entire era of American "domination of the sea" will be gone in the past

Recently, in the West, anti-Russian militaristic hysteria has been growing like an avalanche. Finding that instead of the pliable liberal "Russia" in the vastness of Eurasia, it suddenly revived historical, traditional, imperial Russia, enraged and offended by decades of humiliation and insults from the arrogant and deceitful western Sodom, the "free" European and American media are filled with panicky headlines about Moscow's "military preparations". As soon as we, the Russians, launch a rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome or from a submarine missile carrier in the Barents Sea, or send our air missile carriers on patrol along the European borders, this immediately becomes a pretext for countless accusations of "militarism and imperialism", "nuclear rattling weapons"," Intimidation of the world community ", etc. stupid things

Meanwhile, many really important newsthat are directly related to the change in the military-strategic balance of power in Eurasia, pass by the attention of the mass reader. Here is one such news. 

13 in October 2014, the RIA Novosti news agency, citing a source in the Russian military-industrial complex, said: “Russia has decided to mass-produce air-independent power plants (VNEU) to equip future submarines of the 677 Lada project. The tests of the prototype VNEU on the stand were completed successfully. The following tests will be carried out directly on the boat. "

This message went almost unnoticed, even among military observers no one paid much attention to it. But in vain! For this decision marks a real revolution in the field of military submarine building. 

The advantages and disadvantages of underwater hunters.

Today, all submarines by type of power plants are divided into two types: submarines with a nuclear power plant (nuclear reactor) and diesel-electric submarines, moving in the surface position with the help of a diesel engine, and in the underwater one - using electric motors that draw energy from batteries. 

Nuclear submarines appeared in the Soviet Navy at the end of the 50s of the last century. The first nuclear submarine of the 627th project under the name "Lenin Komsomol" was commissioned in 1957. From that moment to this day, submarines make up the main striking force of our fleetBeing carriers of a wide range of the most formidable weapons - from strategic intercontinental missiles and tactical nuclear torpedoes to high-precision long-range cruise missiles, which today form the basis of the Russian strategic non-nuclear deterrence forces. 

Atomic submarines have a number of outstanding advantages: an almost unlimited time to stay under water, high underwater speed and a great depth of immersion, the ability to carry a huge amount of the most diverse weapons and equipment. The high power capacity achieved by the enormous power of a nuclear power plant makes it possible to build very large displacement boats and place not only a lot of weapons on them, but also highly efficient sonar complexes, communications, electronic intelligence and navigation. 

But, alas, the main advantage of a nuclear power plant, its power, is at the same time the source of the main drawback inherent in nuclear submarines. This drawback is a big noise. The presence of an atomic reactor onboard a nuclear submarine (and sometimes two) with the whole complex of related mechanisms: turbines, generators, pumps, refrigeration units, fans, etc. - inevitably generates a huge amount of different-frequency oscillations and vibrations and requires the most complex technologies to reduce the level of noise, which is the main unmasking factor of any submarine. 

But the diesel-electric submarine under the water is almost silent. Electric motors powered by rechargeable batteries do not require turbines and other high-noise equipment. Therefore, diesel-electric submarines sneak into the ocean depths, almost without making noise, like dangerous predatory fish tracking stray-looking prey. 

However, this fish may be under water for a relatively short time - just a few days. Moreover, it moves in the ocean depth very slowly, saving energy, which is simply insignificant compared to atomic “sharks”. And the lack of energy, in turn, imposes serious restrictions on displacement, armament and other key characteristics of diesel-electric submarines.

In fact, these boats are not completely "underwater", they can rather be called "diving", since they spend most of their time on the deployment routes on the surface, and in the areas of combat patrols they are forced to surface regularly and turn on the diesel engine to recharge the batteries ... So, for example, the newest Russian diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 has an underwater range of only 400 miles. And it moves under water mainly in an economy drive at a speed of 3 knots, that is, 5,4 km / h. Therefore, such a boat cannot pursue its prey under water. She is forced to rely on intelligence data, which must lead her to a given point on the route of deployment of enemy ships. Hence the main method of combat use of diesel-electric submarines - the so-called. "Veil", i.e. the deployment of submarines in a line perpendicular to the course of the probable movement of the target, at certain intervals from each other. At the same time, the entire group of submarines participating in it is controlled from an external command post, which creates additional unmasking factors and reduces the combat stability and effectiveness of the submarine grouping.

If we also take into account that the depth of the layered anti-submarine defense of the modern American aircraft carrier strike group is over 300 miles (i.e., more than 550 km), it becomes clear how difficult it is for our diesel-electric submarines to resist such an enemy. Therefore, it is not surprising that the cherished dream of all submariners is the creation of a submarine with a fundamentally new power plant, which will combine the advantages of nuclear and diesel-electric submarines: power and stealth, greater autonomy of diving and low noise ... 

The tale has come true.

So: the Russian submarines of the 677 project "Lada" with an air-independent power plant are precisely the most serious breakthrough in this direction, leading the submarine fleet of Russia to fundamentally new frontiers.
 "Lada" are small, their displacement is almost two times less than that of the famous "Varshavyanka". But the complex of its weapons is very serious and unusually large. In addition to the traditional mine and torpedo armament of diesel-electric submarines (6 torpedo tubes 533-mm, 18 torpedoes or mines), the 667th project is the world's first non-nuclear submarine equipped with specialized launchers for cruise missiles (10 vertical launchers in the middle of the hull). Moreover, these missile launchers can be both operational-tactical, strike-anti-ship, and long-range missiles designed to destroy strategic targets deep in the enemy's territory (see more about them in my previous article).  

But the most important feature of the new Russian submarines is the VNEU, an air-independent power plant. Without going into details of interest to specialists, we note that the presence of the VNEU will allow Lada to be submerged for up to 25 days, that is, almost 10 times longer than their famous “elder sisters” - “Varshavyanka” of the 636.3 project! At the same time, the noise of “Lada” will be even less than that of the famous Warsaw “black hole”, which the Americans called so because it is almost impossible to detect.

 NATO countries have long been trying to equip their submarines with such VNEU. Germany and Sweden act as “legislators” of fashion in this area.

German shipbuilders have been building small submarines of project 90 \ 212, equipped with a hybrid power plant, since the end of the 214s. It includes a diesel engine for surface running and recharging batteries, silver-zinc batteries themselves and VNEU for economical underwater running based on fuel cells, including tanks with cryogenic oxygen and containers with metal hydride (a special metal alloy combined with hydrogen). Equipping the boat with such an anaerobic installation allowed the Germans to increase the time spent in the submerged position up to 20 days. And now German "babies" with VNEU of various modifications are in service with Germany, Italy, Portugal, Turkey, Israel, Korea and several other countries. 

The Swedish concern Kockums Submarin Systems, in turn, at the end of the last century began the construction of Gotland class submarines with a VNEU based on the so-called. "Stirling engine". When used, these boats can also be under water without recharging the batteries for up to 20 days. And now the submarine with Stirling engines is not only in the Scandinavian countries, but also in Australia, Japan, Singapore and Thailand.

 But neither the German nor the Swedish submarines, which are small, in fact, coastal boats, do not go to any comparison with the Russian "Lads" - neither in their tactical and technical characteristics, nor in the diversity and power of weapons. Our submarines of the 667 project in all respects are in this class unique in quality ships of the new generation! 

Rubin Central Design Bureau, the main developer of submarines in Russia, designed the Lada so that it is capable of launching volley torpedo-missile strikes at sea and stationary ground targets from both torpedo tubes and specialized vertical rocket mines. Due to the unique hydroacoustic complex, our boat has a significantly increased target detection distance. It can dive on 300 m., Has a full submerged speed up to the 21 node, autonomy - 45 days. Vibration isolators, an all-mode rowing motor with permanent magnets, are used to reduce the noise of the boat. The hull of the boat is covered with material "Lightning", absorbing sonar signals. 

About our boat's VNEU little is known yet. Just like the Germans, it will be based on an electrochemical generator. But it will be fundamentally different in that the hydrogen required for the operation of the VNEU will be obtained directly on board by processing the available diesel fuel. Therefore, the Russian VNEU will be much more economical than the German counterpart, which will increase the time of its continuous stay of the boat under water up to 25 days. At the same time, the Lada will cost substantially less than the German 212 \ 214 boats. 

Until 2020, the Russian fleet expects to receive 14 units of such new non-nuclear 4-generation submarines. 

Crusher balances.

In order for the reader to understand how substantially the new Russian submarines with the VNEU can change the balance of power between Russia and the United States, I will give just one example. “Four or six such submarines,” Vice President Admiral Viktor Patrushev said at the end of 2010, in an interview with RIA Novosti, “can completely cover such closed or semi-enclosed waters as the Black, Baltic and Caspian Seas. Their advantages are obvious to any naval specialist. ” 

From myself I would add that the deployment in the Russian Navy of an additional two or three Lada units can fundamentally change the balance of forces not only in the Baltic, Caspian and Black Sea, but also in the North and in the Mediterranean, in the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean.

In the North, in the Barents Sea, such boats are able to securely cover the deployment routes of Russian submarine strategic rocket carriers from any encroachments by the US and NATO anti-submarine forces, which will significantly increase the combat stability of the naval components of our strategic nuclear forces. 

Now our missile carriers carry out military service for the most part under the ice of the Arctic, where they are practically inaccessible to enemy influence. The Americans can detect, track and hit our submarine cruiser only at the stage of its transition to the area of ​​combat patrol. And the Lada of the 667th project is ideally suited for counteracting the American nuclear submarines watching our “strategists”, because they hear them at distances much greater than the Americans are able to hear the “Lada”. In such circumstances, the defeat of the enemy submarine - either by "Lada" on their own, or by pointing anti-submarine forces at it aviation and surface ships - it becomes a matter of technology. 

As for the Mediterranean Sea, the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean, the presence in their waters of a sufficient number of submarines like the Lada practically nullifies American naval power there, the core of which is the carrier-based attack forces (AUG). Back in Soviet times, the “dizeluhi” of the 641B project managed to break through the anti-submarine defense of aircraft carriers and, as it happened, surfaced right under the noses of the stunned American admirals. And only a small supply of underwater travel, the absence of long-range missile weapons and the inability to remain submerged for more than 3 days gave the Americans a chance in this confrontation with Soviet submariners. 

Today, provided that the Lada will indeed be able to remain under water for up to 25 days, its ammunition will include a powerful anti-ship missile system, similar to Caliber, and the submarine reconnaissance and targeting at AUG will be carried out using layered reconnaissance grouping, such a chance in the vaunted shtatovskih aircraft carriers will not be! And this means that a whole epoch of American “domination of the sea” will disappear into the past, Washington will in fact lose its main tool of “force projection” to remote regions and will finally lose its global geopolitical role.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 November 2014 06: 07
    +29
    Until 2020, the Russian fleet expects to receive 14 units of such new non-nuclear 4-generation submarines. what
    a serious application ... in five years? we'll see...
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 6 November 2014 06: 52
      +12
      When I read about performance characteristics, there was nothing to say about vertical missile launchers for missiles, 18 missiles, torpedoes or mines in various combinations of no more than 18 about VNEU, it was just said that only oxygen is obtained from hydrogen peroxide, and the engine was running on a mixture of kerosene and hydrogen peroxide autonomy 25 days
      Our Navy did not show interest in the Amur project; it has only 4 torpedo tubes and 10 vertical launchers of ammunition, 10 missiles and 8 torpedoes with the same displacement
      Infa from the site of the ruby
      So the author mixed everything in one pile without understanding
      All this was conceived to cover closed water areas and approaches to the main military bases of the Russian Navy
      I’m not a special submariner and not a sailor, so I apologize if there are no accuracy smile
      1. Lenivets
        Lenivets 6 November 2014 07: 42
        +25
        You describe "Amur-950" - export (simplified) version, and "Lada" fully meets the performance characteristics given in the article.
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 6 November 2014 08: 22
          +1
          It can immerse on 300 m., Has a full underwater speed of up to 21 node, autonomy - 45 days.

          Therefore, the Russian VNEU will be much more economical than the German counterpart, which will increase the time of its continuous stay of the boat under water up to 25 days.


          As the author piled everything in a heap without special explanation. And it is not clear, 45 days or 25 days?

          The news is very good, I want objective information on TTX
          1. Lenivets
            Lenivets 6 November 2014 08: 41
            +18
            45 days autonomy of swimming (not only under water), 25 under water (maximum period of stay under water without surfacing)
            1. GDP
              GDP 6 November 2014 14: 05
              0
              Something is doubtful that such a small submarine, stuffed with so many weapons, would have such autonomy of navigation - 45 days! This is despite the fact that in terms of armament it is not inferior to the Warsaw woman, but in terms of tonnage it is less by 550 tons ... To live and work in such a tiny little one and a half months?




              although given the number of crews to 21 people versus 52's at Varshavyanka ... Hmm, maybe ...



              And where are they interestingly stuffed vertical missile silos?
              Something is not visible on the diagram ...
              1. Evgeniy667b
                Evgeniy667b 6 November 2014 17: 49
                +2
                There is nothing good in gigantomania. Increased material consumption and vulnerability!
                1. GDP
                  GDP 7 November 2014 11: 22
                  0
                  submariners locked in a tight tin can for a month and a half, may not agree with this ...
                  1. ermolai
                    ermolai 9 November 2014 05: 58
                    0
                    yes, they don’t need to be in a "tin can" for 45 days, under water a maximum of 25 days, but these are the conditions when it is necessary to be hidden, when you are being pursued or you are secretly pursuing, in short, some extreme situations, and I think so at the first opportunity the night is fog clouds, boats probably try to float up for recharging, communication, and in an underwater trip the speed is low, well, something like that. and a month and a half is the maximum action of the submarine in the campaign.
                2. bekjan
                  bekjan 8 November 2014 22: 37
                  0
                  I think that the construction of 14 Ladas will take the same amount of metal and money as for one Akula.
              2. Yarhann
                Yarhann 8 November 2014 22: 30
                +1
                the mines crash right behind the wheelhouse; this is a variant of an underwater missile carrier on a boat diagram without this compartment. In general, missile weapons are now launched from torpedo tubes and there is no particular sense in pskov vertical installations. I would call diesel boats with vertical launch mines more as strategic or tactical deterrence forces for countries in conflict - that is, for exporting a pair of such boats permanently located on hostile shores, their rulers will always strain their rulers, given the short time the rocket approaches the ground target. And the fret is good precisely because of its automation, because the crew has become much smaller. In general, in this boat with an air-independent installation, I see the main task is to cover strategic nuclear missile carriers under the ice of the Arctic - now they can’t do this because they just can’t so much under water - and when such a boat is ready, our strategists will be completely safe we’ll spend some time - on top of them ice covers from below Guardians of Ladushka - all the safety of the stratophones is ensured. The American multipurpose nuclear submarines are not a rival to the loaf as they say it, they’re just the goal the only means that can oppose our submarines are German and Swedish submarines with VNEU - but they don’t have enough fuel to go under the ice and the Germans don’t put the Swedes I think of the tasks of finding our strategists under the ice.
          2. samuil60
            samuil60 8 November 2014 21: 26
            +1
            Autonomy - the time the ship was at sea without replenishment. 25 days is the maximum time spent under water without surfacing. These are completely different things.
          3. bekjan
            bekjan 8 November 2014 22: 34
            +1
            Autonomy of the course - 45 days of which under water can be up to 25 days.
        2. insafufa
          insafufa 6 November 2014 08: 29
          +1
          Quote: Lenivets
          You describe "Amur-950" - export (simplified) version, and "Lada" fully meets the performance characteristics given in the article.


          Here is a photo of St. Petersburg

          Picture Cupid 950

          My question is, if the boats of the first draft of the fret are being completed now, then where are the flows on the hull for placing missiles in vertical p
          and if we talk about vertical pu, then we talked about a modified draft frets that did not interest the navy
          1. Lenivets
            Lenivets 6 November 2014 08: 38
            0
            Send you a photo of the moon?
            So what?
          2. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 8 November 2014 02: 02
            0
            About the placement of missile silos on Ladakh. Our designers have figured out how to place the Caliber missiles in torpedo tubes, that is, with a horizontal submarine launch, but so far only on Varshavyanka. The dimensions of the missiles were specially tailored to the dimensions of the torpedoes. Maybe they will do something similar on the Ladakh. It seems easier to equip diesel-electric submarines with VNEU with either torpedoes or missiles, depending on the task. The savings are clear.
      2. DRA-88
        DRA-88 6 November 2014 13: 02
        +4
        I can’t understand how the title of the article relates to the article itself? request
    2. AnpeL
      AnpeL 6 November 2014 06: 52
      +3
      Until 2020, the Russian fleet expects to receive 14 units of such new nuclear-powered submarines of the 4 generation. what
      a serious application ... in five years? we'll see...

      As the saying goes, "God forbid!"
      1. Finches
        Finches 6 November 2014 07: 39
        +3
        More boats, good and different!
      2. Kostyar
        Kostyar 6 November 2014 08: 58
        +2
        Putin's Underwater Surprise


        Yes, not such a frail surprise, the main thing is that everything was in the Christmas tree !!!
      3. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 8 November 2014 02: 06
        0
        Quote: AnpeL
        Until 2020, the Russian fleet expects to receive 14 units of such new nuclear-powered submarines of the 4 generation. what
        a serious application ... in five years? we'll see...

        As the saying goes, "God forbid!"

        Something I am also tormented by vague doubts ... Or maybe the existing Lada are simply being modernized, because diesel-electric submarines are easier to modernize than nuclear submarines.
    3. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 6 November 2014 08: 03
      +5
      And what to watch, tighten up and squeeze, otherwise these international hooligans-democrat carriers are very tired!
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 6 November 2014 08: 13
      +7
      Today, provided that the Lada will indeed be able to remain under water for up to 25 days, its ammunition will include a powerful anti-ship missile system, similar to Caliber, and the submarine reconnaissance and targeting at AUG will be carried out using layered reconnaissance grouping, such a chance in the vaunted shtatovskih aircraft carriers will not be! And this means that a whole epoch of American “domination of the sea” will disappear into the past, Washington will in fact lose its main tool of “force projection” to remote regions and will finally lose its global geopolitical role.

      God grant that!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 6 November 2014 12: 28
        0
        We need to build more than just boats — we need submarine strike groups led by strategic missile carriers such as Borey.
    5. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 6 November 2014 12: 33
      +2
      Project 677 is certainly good, but there will be no VNEU on the first three boats, by the way about 14 boats until 2020, I doubt at best that they will succeed in 8-10 (unless they have time in 636).
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 6 November 2014 06: 12
    +2
    "Lada" will really be able to remain under water for up to 25 days, its ammunition will include a powerful anti-ship missile system, similar to the "Caliber", and reconnaissance and guidance of submarines at the AUG will be carried out using layered reconnaissance, including space grouping, of such a chance to those praised shtatovskih aircraft carriers will be gone!


    Interesting....
    I would like to know more about the performance characteristics of this submarine.
    But is it possible to equip this submarine with medium- and short-range marine missiles, as you know, they do not fall under the INF Treaty concluded at the time with the United States.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 6 November 2014 07: 05
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I would like to know more about the performance characteristics of this submarine.

      For sofa strategists TTX new weapons and equipment to anything or am I wrong ??? PMSM is enough of what we already know, and let the details be for those who are in OUR fleet and in the leadership of the RF Armed Forces ...
    2. Konst99
      Konst99 6 November 2014 08: 49
      0
      it seems that a rocket with a launch from a torpedo tube was recently tested. There, the range turned out to be average, and the speed is hypersonic.
      I have a question about "tactical nuclear torpedoes" - like the Navy refused to use such torpedoes? And they did not develop them. Or am I confusing something?
    3. Orik
      Orik 6 November 2014 10: 28
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      But is it possible to equip this submarine with medium- and short-range marine missiles, as you know, they do not fall under the INF Treaty concluded at the time with the United States.

      Yes, this agreement does not apply to the Navy.
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 6 November 2014 06: 14
    +7
    Great news! Not all scientists and engineers went to the well-fed West. But will they give us time until 2020?
    1. ermolai
      ermolai 9 November 2014 06: 12
      0
      someone smart said it’s liquid brains flowing out, but solid ones will remain.
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  5. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 6 November 2014 06: 19
    +2
    Good news! We are waiting for "Lada" !!!
    1. lichide
      lichide 6 November 2014 17: 14
      -1
      That's when for every ocean there will be a division of Lad, tads and we will have fun! In the meantime, bye.
  6. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 6 November 2014 06: 24
    +7
    The table of amers and other arrogant Saxons! Well done shipbuilders! hi
  7. andj61
    andj61 6 November 2014 06: 33
    +1
    Interestingly, and on what principle does the VNEU of this modernized "Lada" work?
    But a year ago there were problems with the engine, and not only with the engine, but now they seem to be solved. I hope that this article is fully true, and is not just an optimistic forecast.
    On February 13, 2013, General Director of Rosoboronexport OJSC Anatoly Isaikin said: “To date, the decision on the serial construction of these submarines by the Russian Ministry of Defense has been made. Financing of the construction is planned at the state defense order, and the trial operation of the submarines is carried out in accordance with the program, which is being successfully implemented. All the characteristics set by the technical specifications of the Navy during the state tests are basically confirmed, with the exception of the full underwater speed. Currently, the submarine of project 677 is located in the main base of the Baltic Fleet and is preparing to move to the Northern Fleet to complete the pilot operation. "
    He noted that more than 130 samples of the latest electronic and ship equipment were installed on the boat. According to him, upgraded engines will be installed on serial submarines that will provide the necessary power.
    On July 9, 2013 JSC Admiralty Shipyards resumed construction of the second boat of the series, "Kronstadt". The new contract, concluded with the RF Ministry of Defense, provides for the construction of the ship according to the corrected technical design. The designer of the Lada submarine, the Rubin Central Design Bureau, has done a lot to improve the submarine and create modernized ship complexes. On the second order of the series, modernized equipment samples will be installed - a control system for ship technical means, an electric propulsion system, a navigation complex. During the construction of Kronstadt, the results of the pilot operation of the main order will be taken into account.
  8. tlauicol
    tlauicol 6 November 2014 06: 36
    +9
    We do not have boats with VNEU, but they surpass foreign analogues - a strange article
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 6 November 2014 07: 54
      +4
      The article did not say that they are in service: “In Russia, a decision has been made on the serial production of air-independent power plants (VNEU) for equipping future Project 677 Lada submarines. The tests of the VNEU prototype at the stand were completed successfully. The next tests will be carried out directly on the boat. "
      They are only planning to produce them. And what are the claims?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 6 November 2014 08: 01
        +2
        in that "they are superior in all respects" - how can you write that?
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 6 November 2014 08: 35
          +2
          If they are cheaper and when tested showed a longer duration of work under water (25 days), then why not write?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 6 November 2014 09: 02
            +1
            let's start again: we do not have boats with VNEU! none ! and it is not known when they will appear!
            what tests? tests of pictures or tests of loud statements like: "We will hand over Vikramaditya in 2008, and Severodvinsk in 1996"?

            in one you are right - the interview is cheaper than existing German boats
            1. Lenivets
              Lenivets 6 November 2014 20: 38
              0
              "The tests of the VNEU prototype at the stand were completed successfully. The next tests will be carried out directly on the boat."
              Does this tell you anything?
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 8 November 2014 18: 03
                0
                says - we don’t have boats with VNEU!
            2. Lenivets
              Lenivets 6 November 2014 21: 26
              0
              And I’ll clarify: in the military-industrial complex, the model is not a model on a scale of 1:30, but a working sample that is tested, finalized and launched into a series.
  9. sub307
    sub307 6 November 2014 06: 38
    +3
    "... submarines of the 677th project" Lada "with an air-independent power plant are just the most serious breakthrough ..."
    As far as we know, there are no submarines of the 667th project with VNEU in the Russian Navy yet. VNEU is not ready yet. That's when "appear", then they will "appear."
    So far, there is only one boat 667 pr. Without VNEU - B-585 "Saint Petersburg" in the base of the city of Polyarny.
    B-586 "Kronstadt" should only be launched sometime at the end of 1915. (With or without VNEU is unclear)
    At what stage the construction of the B-587 "Sevastopol" - I did not find information, but it seems that VNEU is planned on it. So that plans, plans - realities, realities.
    1. just exp
      just exp 6 November 2014 07: 04
      +3
      what year will Kronstadt be lowered?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 November 2014 07: 15
        +4
        Quote: just EXPL
        what year will Kronstadt be lowered?

        is hearing impaired? said the same in 1915! smile
    2. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 6 November 2014 07: 23
      +1
      Confused.
      So "Lada" - project 667 or 677?
      1. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx 6 November 2014 12: 45
        +1
        677 is a Lada. And the 667 project is a strategist. Only on paper. Because the already modernized Navaga project 667A was being built, which in turn had grown to the pride of the Russian fleet of Project 667BDRM several decades later
    3. Lenivets
      Lenivets 6 November 2014 07: 49
      +4
      You are not right. In the conditions of the First World War it will be difficult to launch a boat with such performance characteristics.
  10. Funnels
    Funnels 6 November 2014 06: 41
    +7
    Good news, but as the saying goes "it was smooth on paper"
    "We hope it will be" - that's when it will be, when they will go from the stocks, then we will clap our hands.
  11. testerman
    testerman 6 November 2014 06: 48
    +1
    Good news in the morning.
  12. coconut
    coconut 6 November 2014 06: 48
    +1
    Hmm, the frame gets upset and turns pale, but is it interesting that he eats ties? You could have thrown off and bought him something like a kosher like a dior, so he would gobble up ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 November 2014 07: 18
      +5
      Quote: kokos
      Hmm, the frame gets upset and turns pale, but is it interesting that he eats ties? You could have thrown off and bought him something like a kosher like a dior, so he would gobble up ...

      may there be no abama by then ...
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 November 2014 07: 09
    +2
    The article is certainly encouraging. Just do not forget that the war is ongoing and mainly not only in the arms sector. It is interesting to see this boat in section.
  14. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 6 November 2014 07: 20
    +2
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Until 2020, the Russian fleet expects to receive 14 units of such new non-nuclear 4-generation submarines. what
    a serious application ... in five years? we'll see...


    Well, the boat is not an atomic ship, and it’s not even a Warsaw boat, it’s small, where is there to build, so everything is real, one wonders what kind of CD they plan to set up?
    1. ermolai
      ermolai 9 November 2014 07: 59
      0
      ahem, here canada will buy misral, the paddlers will pay 3 lard of Russia each, and rivet 14 boats. and ischo something to revive the production of diapers
  15. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 6 November 2014 07: 43
    +3
    It’s too early to rejoice and clap your hands, but there is a main beginning, and if there is a beginning, then there will be a constant forward movement, but there is movement, the results will not slow down.
  16. sv68
    sv68 6 November 2014 07: 45
    +5
    the prototype boat just walks and already lacking analogs in the world, the author doesn’t even know that you need to at least build a pair of three such submarines and after a certain time shout whether it has analogs or not. to break up.
  17. Horst78
    Horst78 6 November 2014 08: 09
    +4
    And why about the French and other boats there is no mention?
    At present, VNEU have German submarines Ave. 212 and 214, French Scorpen, Spanish S80, Swedish Gotland and Westergetland, Japanese Soryu, Chinese Yuan (Ave. 041). http://army-news.ru/2013/01/podvodnye-lodki-nepobedimoe-oruzhie-slabyx/
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 6 November 2014 08: 19
      +3
      and how many will be by the 20th year ?? even scary to imagine!
      and how many rocket launchers are launching from under water! - all are not indolent, even Indo-Chinese. Very far behind, just disastrous!
      P.S. return the firing squad to the military-industrial complex!
    2. yehat
      yehat 6 November 2014 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: Horst78
      And why about the French and other boats there is no mention?

      due to the difference in autonomy. Our boat is positioned as more advanced and less dependent on the coast.
    3. yehat
      yehat 6 November 2014 14: 19
      -1
      Quote: Horst78
      And why about the French and other boats there is no mention?

      due to the difference in autonomy. Our boat is positioned as more advanced and less dependent on the coast.
  18. Czar
    Czar 6 November 2014 08: 42
    +1
    If only she was not like a "Lada" car
  19. 00105042
    00105042 6 November 2014 08: 55
    0
    all this is wonderful, even more will be such wonderful boats in every respect, but what does Putin have to do with it? From the title you can conclude that he was directly involved in the development of * Lada * or even was the chief designer. I don’t understand ...
    1. user
      user 7 November 2014 10: 04
      +1
      but what does Putin have to do with it?


      If there was, for example, Medvedev or someone else, it would remain at the level of promising developments or, at best, a prototype.
  20. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 6 November 2014 09: 30
    +2
    Thanks for the informative article.
  21. Orik
    Orik 6 November 2014 10: 35
    +4
    Our Navy, even taking into account such ships as the "Kerch" BOD, which is in its 5th decade and does not go further than the World Cup, lags behind the American by an order of magnitude. The VNEU boats will not stop the US Navy's dominance at sea, but a limited list of countries owns such technologies and it is very good that we are a member of this closed club.
    1. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 8 November 2014 02: 18
      0
      Quote: Orik
      Our Navy, even taking into account such ships as the "Kerch" BOD, which is in its 5th decade and does not go further than the World Cup, lags behind the American by an order of magnitude. The VNEU boats will not stop the US Navy's dominance at sea, but a limited list of countries owns such technologies and it is very good that we are a member of this closed club.

      They will not stop by quantity, only foolish people count on quantity. The Americans did not seriously upgrade their Navy for more than 10 years. They have many AUGs, many nuclear submarines, both strike and strategic, but all of them were developed back in the 80 years. A little time will pass when the number of ships of the US Navy will cease to be decisive.
  22. Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 November 2014 10: 54
    0
    And project 949A submarines are expected to add four more pieces.
    1. VOLKHOV
      VOLKHOV 6 November 2014 17: 38
      0
      Did the Dutch floating crane work?
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  24. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 6 November 2014 12: 48
    0
    One can only hope that this information is not empty talk. Dreaming widely in Russia is very well able, only when it comes down to it, slip starts. And then what does the author of the article hope for? Could it fuel the commercial interest of potential buyers? More than likely. For the introduction of such submarines is nothing more than state. a secret and trumpeting on every corner about it is simply criminal. Moreover, the supply of submarines with VNEUS should be carried out exclusively in the Russian Navy, and not to some fucking Indians, Indonesians and others like them.
  25. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 6 November 2014 12: 50
    +3
    The feeling that the article was written for civilians who are absolutely not "in the know" what a PL is ...
    Plus, constant patriotism - both to the place and not quite ...
    request

    I am not a Moreman ... I apologize in advance for the amateurishness ... but even I know that the "Ladas" have been fighting for a long time. The lead boat is still in trial operation.
    And VNEU passed (finally) bench tests ...

    To present this material as DONE and RUNNED TO MIND - it would probably be right than shouting and waving the flag of the "unexpected" birth of new technologies submarines ...

    And so - GOOD LUCK VNEU on our submarines.
    drinks
  26. Yankuz
    Yankuz 6 November 2014 13: 16
    +1
    Finally, you can rejoice. Air independent power plants! The whole world has been using them for a long time. And we, as always, are at the end ...
  27. mithridate
    mithridate 6 November 2014 14: 48
    0
    adequate response to the attempts of the West
  28. smith7
    smith7 6 November 2014 16: 03
    +2
    Confusing in the text is the word "WILL" along with the slogan "With the appearance of the new Russian submarine Lada, a whole era of American" domination at sea "will go into the past. But I believe in" Russian Genius "... And I hope to replace the word" WILL "on the word" IS ". On the whole, a daring hi-tech! And since" SKOLKOVO "did not flash, that is, hope for a positive result in achieving the goal.
  29. Tektor
    Tektor 6 November 2014 16: 31
    0
    They say that Lada has a difficult maintenance of the diesel valve group: the opening width is 24 cm, which does not provide the necessary access. For normal access should be 45 cm. Where can I get them? Probably the diesel should be reduced in size.
    In addition, it remained unclear whether the Lada has 10 vertical shafts or not? In St. Petersburg, they are not visible, and without them, Lada is not at all the same.
  30. Stas57
    Stas57 6 November 2014 16: 33
    0
    well, I don’t know whether or not who will leave
    but this is already causing a chill on the back of "our Western partners."
    and to the chill there is also a specific smell))
    Eight Russian aircraft intercepted over the North Sea / Atlantic Ocean on October 29 2014
    Showing unprecedented activity.




    But personally, I’m directly very pleased.
    1. VOLKHOV
      VOLKHOV 6 November 2014 17: 42
      0
      Quote: Stas57
      and to the chill there is also a specific smell))

      Garu still smelled of late in Moscow in Moscow - they say peat suddenly flared up and went out in a couple of days ... and so 2 times for now. I start to fear for the snowdrifts - the first snow is very combustible.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 November 2014 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: V0LHOV
        the first snow is very flammable.

        Yes, it’s not without cocaine.
  31. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 6 November 2014 17: 08
    +1
    The article is good and well written, extremely positive! It remains to be happy for Russia and its inhabitants. All the normals in our empire!
  32. ius61
    ius61 7 November 2014 18: 27
    0
    Let's hope that the underwater Lada will be much better than the land one ...
  33. pr 627
    pr 627 8 November 2014 00: 47
    0
    The author is bad with arithmetic, but good with patriotism. If you want to write on serious marine topics, become a specialist in shipbuilding. And the rest is pathos.
  34. Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 8 November 2014 16: 18
    0
    Another "headache" for our Western friends!
  35. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 November 2014 17: 42
    0
    Great work of brilliant people! An injection of funds is simply necessary in our science, and we have always had plenty of geniuses, because Russia is under the auspices of above.
  36. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 8 November 2014 18: 34
    0
    Again you will be about your own, will be! The Germans have it, the Chinese have it, and we will have it! - by the 20th year! Will we have time for their production? Six years is not a short period. The news, of course, pleases, but more, we would all be delighted with the message in commissioning by the end of the 14th year: -6 submarines, 6 "leaders", 6 MRKs, 6 ekranoplanes "Hercules", etc., not counting the "mosquitoes". Probably they have, they have been gathering dust on the shelves of archives for years. If you say you have no money, I will not believe it, confiscate it from "shift workers", "effective managers", "swamps", in general, from those who have been plundering the country for more than 20 years and glorifying the West with its crap. It's time to think about Russia and do everything so that not a single adversary (from birth to death) wants to even look askance towards Russia. not like fighting.
  37. kh7129394
    kh7129394 8 November 2014 18: 37
    0
    Good luck to the Rubin Central Design Bureau with the construction of the Lada
  38. runway
    runway 8 November 2014 18: 39
    0
    I am very happy for our sailors.
    The fleet needs ships of various classes. Having received a sufficient number of submarines of the new project, they will be able to more fully carry out the tasks assigned to them.
    Only one thing is not clear - from which side did Putin find himself here?
    He is the designer of the boat project 677, or came up with our VNEU?
    Guys, well, you can’t do it like that in all places ....
  39. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 November 2014 20: 17
    0
    Quote: Starley from the South
    Something I am also tormented by vague doubts ... Or maybe the existing Lada are simply being modernized, because diesel-electric submarines are easier to modernize than nuclear submarines.

    but the thought did not occur to you that the Ladas began to build earlier than official sources say ... so to speak, "with a quiet glan" ... and when it came to the final straight, everyone was informed about the timing of adoption ... very much like that ... I wouldn't be surprised if, in a year, they suddenly build some new submarine missile carrier or a heavy cruiser, or even yes ...
  40. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 8 November 2014 22: 10
    0
    Each of our success in the defense industry is a big plus for all of us !!! Well done. defense industry, submariners are heroes !!!
  41. Straight
    Straight 9 November 2014 01: 16
    +1
    Lavrov - talking to us in the language of sanctions is futile! Ivanov said that Russia recognizes elections in Ukraine (Bandera), Lavrov said that Russia recognizes elections in Donbass. The US and the EU said that if Russia recognizes the elections in Donbass, they will tighten sanctions. Presidential aide Ushakov said that "respecting" the elections does not mean recognizing them, and there is no recognition of the elections in Donbass by Russia! It turns out that talking with Russia in the language of sanctions is very promising! SHAME and DISHONOR!