Ukraine is ready to transfer to China new Soviet military secrets

Ukraine and China are stepping up military-technical cooperation. This was announced by the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov during a meeting with the Chief of the General Staff of the People’s Liberation Army of China, Colonel-General Binda Chen. "Ukraine is ready to intensify military cooperation, the exchange of military delegations, the attache, to expand the training of the Chinese military in higher educational institutions of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine," Azarov said.

According to him, cooperation in the creation of heavy transport aircraft, large-capacity ships, hovercraft, construction is promising. tanks and air defense equipment.

“I would especially like to draw attention to the aircraft industry. The Chinese Aircraft Corporation and the Ukrainian enterprise Antonov need to deepen cooperation, ”Azarov said, adding that Ukraine has the most modern technologies, in particular the construction of heavy transport aircraft, which have no analogues in the world.

A Ukrainian official instructed his subordinates to develop a 5-10-year program of cooperation between Ukraine and China.

As “New Region” reported, in the outgoing week in China, the former aircraft carrier Varyag was launched for testing, which after the collapse of the USSR went to Ukraine built on 67%, but was sold to Beijing for the price of scrap metal.

In June 2011, Viktor Yanukovych signed with the PRC leader a declaration declaring China and Ukraine strategic partners.

Russia has repeatedly expressed concern about the actions of China in copying Russian and Soviet military equipment. In particular, in Moscow they voiced protests against Kiev’s plans to transfer to China documentation on amphibious assault ships of the Bison type.

In June, 2010, it also became known that Chinese engineers assembled the first prototype of the fourth-generation carrier-based fighter, the J-15, by copying it from the Russian Su-33. The analogue of the “Sukhoi” was created on the basis of one of its first prototypes, the prototype T10K of Soviet times, which China received in Ukraine in 2005.

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[BOSS]

“I would especially like to draw attention to the aircraft industry. The Chinese Aircraft Corporation and the Ukrainian enterprise Antonov need to deepen cooperation, ”Azarov said, adding that Ukraine has the most modern technologies, in particular the construction of heavy transport aircraft, which have no analogues in the world.

They themselves can’t come up with anything, now they’re playing some sort of huckster. Saucers are corrupt.

[hellbringer]

I don't understand what drives these people, probably only the thirst for immediate gain. In all conflicts, diplomatic and military, Ukraine acts as a two-faced freak, who seems to smile at us but constantly stabs us in the back. Its ears are constantly sticking out - it either sold equipment to potential enemies or condemned Russia.

[slas]

Quote: hellbringer

In all conflicts, diplomatic and military, Ukraine acts as a two-faced freak,

do not confuse Ukraine and the government (his mother ......) Ukrainian

[zardoz]

What drives Well, Russia probably doesn’t need these technologies ... But Ukraine cannot give them a hand ... Yes, Ukraine needs money to pay off Gazprom ... I think so - if you don’t want Ukraine (any republic USSR) sold technology to the enemy, buy them yourself.

[svvaulsh]

These stories (with our Su-27, "Zubr", "Varyag") in relation to China, remind one of the relationship between a client and a prostitute. Used and forgot. Is it really not clear to our politicians that they act as the latter!?

[merkawa]

Someone else from the old said in Europe two political prostitutes France and Poland, did not guess three however.

[mitrich]

Why so rude. Prostitutes! It’s just ... a woman liked a Chinese ...

[svvaulsh]

For money, whom, however, you will not love!

[Superduck]

So listen to you Russians so everyone should ask your permission. When the aircraft carriers "Kiev", "Minsk" were sold together with weapons, the production of the Su-27 and S300 was merged, who did they ask? The Varyag was also offered to redeem Russia - they did not want to, the cruiser Ukraine is in Nikolaev, how much they offered to buy at the price of metal - we are silent, the Chinese will buy it again and start yelling.
And before Antonov, what do you mean - all the projects with Antonov Russia sabotaged in fact, EVERYTHING! Once again, the tandem fed everyone with promises, so what? Where are the orders, where are the projects, everything is the same level as the rearmament of the Russian army, zilch! And the Antonov office is cramped in Ukraine, their Russian partners have given a ride in all projects over the past 10 years. Motor Sich invested in engines for Ruslans, and here "We changed our minds", we will restore production from 2016. The only place where Russia shows interest is only in privatization projects. And besides China, there is no large market for Ukrainian aircraft left, no one will let them in the USA and Europe, why should they shut down because it's China?
When the Chinese asked to sell the Su30, they refused to Russia, not because they were like enemies, but because the party was small, like secrets would be stolen, and if you bought 100 cars you wouldn’t have stolen? Would sell without problems.

[svvaulsh]

That hto is against that! Trade on health products. But China, however, wants to buy technology and do everything by itself, that is, use it. And polit. figures in both Russia and Ukraine see only momentary benefits, not caring about the future. An illustrative example is the Su-27, i.e. the J-11. We signed a contract for 200 units, with the transfer of assembly technologies, made a dozen and broke the contract, now they make the same planes, but give them out as their own. It looks like our politicians cut the branch they were sitting on. The same happens now and not in Ukraine. An example of this is the recent sale of those. documentation on "bison".

[Superduck]

So with whom is it possible? Venezuela, Vietnam, Nauru and all perhaps. The rest in NATO or they sympathize with them and China or sympathize with him. Those. 90% of solvent countries in the minuses. And in general, what are such terrible Soviet secrets in the arsenal of the Antonov office?

[svvaulsh]

It's all about technology. A simple example: I buy, say, bread from you. You tell me, - do you want me to tell you how to bake it? I agree, after a while I stop buying, moreover, I start baking the same thing, stand next to it and sell it cheaper. Russia and China went through roughly the same thing, now Ukraine is stepping on the same rake. By the way, the Americans don't want to share their technology with anyone, they only sell it.

[Superduck]

So I don’t argue, the sale of technology is an extreme measure, it’s bad, just if the Antonov office can’t sell its products even to hell, then the Antonov office will not be in a year. The Ukrainian market will not be able to load it with work, but there is no Russian market for this office at the moment, and the prospect is more and more bleak every day.

[APASUS]

Yes, in principle, no one argues that the problems of Motor Sich are huge and Antonov does not keep afloat well! But guys, having technology, the profit may not be commensurately greater than the sale of the technology itself! , but you have no money for new ones. You will simply sentence your industry 10 years earlier !!! The Sea plant In Feodosia, after an accident, no one needs it !!! There is no point in restoring it !!!! Your hurry-ups gave all the drawings and technological maps before the ships were built! China first of all buys technology and it is also interested in jobs in its state! I will not believe that it is impossible to keep production, with a good order from abroad! And money can be found!

[Superduck]

Yes, no one argues that the drawings, especially the strangers merge badly. It’s just that it wasn’t said anywhere that Antonov was selling drawings, because it was the same. Here are the Chinese who buy the engine from Sich, who go to the Yak130 well, they will put them on their light fighter, not the drawings. It is clear that they will try to lick. And this, after the failure of all Russian projects, consider the only profitable contract: what did they go broke because of this, they invested and flew the Ruslan’s dvig, Russia also didn’t want to buy an engine on mi8, they also counted on them, the construction of the an148 in Voronezh actually froze on engines so far dead weight, they have nothing left but the Chinese.

[APASUS]

I am not trying to defend the Russians or badmouth the Chinese. I believe that technology can be leaked in two cases: 1 bankruptcy - complete liquidation of the enterprise 2 sale is possible, your technology is becoming obsolete, but is still in demand. When you have a reserve for the future. You develop the technology further! But in fact - 1 is poor work of the sales service (all of Africa was stuffed with weapons under the USSR, which require modernization. Ukraine keeps the price low, so customers will be found there) since the price is almost a decisive factor, then a buyer should be found even in South America, Asia. 2 Political nonsense, an important factor !!! It is not clear with whom the country is going to be friends and where to move! Each new government rebuilds the country for itself !!! Does not try to fit into the country's movement towards the goal, but stupidly breaks the country !!!!!!!!!

[Oleg]

So sell to the office of Russia. And the question is closed. And the interaction was curtailed when the Russians began to drive a pipe in front of the nose. Recall the chronology.
What will happen: an office in Ukraine, Ukrainians work in it, only Russia appoints a director.
The director will be afraid of one thing: all the new orange documents will need to be kept in a read-only language.

[datur]

the people of which we are arguing --- we are all sitting in the same puddle and watching how the Chinese are doing what they need. with the help of our freaks from power.

[Sorry]

Well, where are we to the mind of the descendants of Confucius. They are doing everything right. They’re selling, so why not buy? New jobs will be in China. They need a lot of new weapons, because it is necessary to protect the former Russian territory, soon wars between the great powers will begin for its division.

[Garfield]

Military cooperation is a normal thing for any country, including Ukraine.
Moreover, the mess is just around the corner http://uainfo.censor.net.ua/news/4745-v-rossii-ukrainu-ocenili-v-15-mlrd.html

[Ivan35]

I am against all these comments of yours — the republic of the USSR was already called a prostitute because its leadership earns in the same way as Russia — by selling weapons to China. I support SuperDuck in this case.
These comments are unfair and contribute to discord - they will not bring readers of the site from Russia and Ukraine in any way.
I myself do not like the Chinese and am afraid of them - but I do not think that the sale of technology by Ukraine will add something to what Russia has already sold. Secondly, I’m sure that while China is our temporary partner against the United States and the war, there will not be another 20-30 years with it

[datur]

Ivan35, you're right, it's just offensive to watch how others are getting stronger in all respects - and we, in the same... with the complete connivance and help of our own bosses, who only know how to rob their people and spout nonsense from the podium. And also tolerance and patience.

[Ivan35]

Yes - I agree Datur - I also understand - it's a shame when others get stronger - I agree here. I just wanted to say that Ukraine is not "others" - I will never be able to look at them as other or strangers - even if they don't join the union of Kazakhstan, Belarus and Russia now - our people live there anyway. Let their industry grow in any way - it's part of the Russian world - after all, they don't have oil, either in Kazakhstan or Russia.

[Splin]

Well, Ukraine won't sell the ship's documents, so what will change? The Chinese will make a copy anyway, even if it's two years later. And who's buying these "Zubrs" anyway? This landing ship was created for the large Soviet army, no one needs it. How many of them were bought in 20 years? And Antonov, by the way, designed two aircraft that fly in series. And what have Russian enterprises done during this time? The Yak-130, Ka-52 and Superjet were designed with the help of the West and Israel. And that's it! Everything else is Soviet development. And also the PAK FA, to which the entire economy of the military-industrial complex is thrown.

[hellbringer]

Well, in general, to be friends against anyone - nothing good has ever come out of this. Regarding joint projects, well, damn Antonov, in general, is an enterprise with simply colossal developments and a long history, if they cannot enter the market, this is a problem for the company’s management i.e. its leadership is simply not able to do anything and it needs to be driven into the neck, scolding that they were thrown to no avail. Antonov participates in tenders for the supply of transporters to other countries? Why it simply does not sell engines, as far as I know, the Chinese have a problem with the production of engines precisely with technology, they cannot produce them themselves. To sell them the technology is to cut the very branch on which the Antonovites sit and from which they could have a lot of money. In fact, what we see is Antonov's swan song, because selling technology, they simply will become unnecessary to China - a misunderstanding of this is simply impossible by a sober-minded person, therefore, whoever does this simply consciously wants to cut down a boble last, I would check with a microscope all the circumstances of the transaction. In the article I did not find a direct mention of the sale of technologies, again does not mean that they will not be.

[Splin]

Narrow-eyed brothers have long been hunting for motor technology. Only they don’t get anything. Slamming documents is not done by ourselves. They were already given documents for a tank diesel. And things are still there. Have to buy ready-made MTO in Kharkov.

[mitrich]

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[Varnaga]

Discovered America is called ... The Ukrainians have been working with China for a long time and fruitfully, for example, tanks of types 98,99 were created with the direct participation of Ukrainian designers, and the same 98-further development of the T-80UD "Bulata"