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The bitter truth of Donbass

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The bitter truth of Donbass


The fact that Ukraine is more indifferent to what is happening in the East is half bad. The trouble is that the majority is just as indifferent and trustingly “hawking” everything that our government presents to him. A fresh example is the myth of patriotism and mass Ukrainization in the cities liberated from the separatists.

The other day I went to the ATO zone, to the liberated and front-line cities under the control of Ukraine. A local taxi driver from Kramatorsk, nicknamed the General, immediately warned: “don't say you are a Kiev journalist.” Naturally, I did not obey and the very first grandmother in Ocheretny (a village not far from Donetsk), when I heard that I was from Kiev, turned around with the words “yes, you went nah ... nd”. In Popasna, 90% of the population is waiting for the “militia” to come and rescue the “Kiev junta” from power. And despite the fact that from Pervomaisk, that in 19 km from Popasna, refugees flee to the city, tired of LNR democracy. Why, then, do the separatists wait so much in Popasna? When I arrived at the checkpoint of the Ukrainian military, to my question about how the fighters live with the locals from Popasna, I was told: “None. We do not recognize them, and they do not recognize us. ” Popasnaya despite the fact that no military operations are being conducted there (except for single attacks by the separatists, by the way), Ukraine never became. And while between the Ukrainian military and local residents, the “non-recognition regime” is observed and will not. It would not be broadcast about this yoo-patriots.

In Avdeevka, soldiers say: their checkpoint is located near an apartment building. There lives a woman whose son died near Ilovaisk for Ukraine. The neighbors either put matches into the castle or cover the woman with obscene words. In Severodonetsk, a taxi driver through the teeth calls the National Guard "worthless liberators" - they say that the cars are wrung out abruptly by the cops. At the same time, fighters do not hide insults - we are fighting for you, and you hate us. This, probably, is the main paradox of the Donbass - people do not want Ukraine to protect them. Let not all. But the majority. And this is the very bitter truth that needs to be recognized, and not jammed with sweet pills in the form of indicative marches with embroidered shirts in the Donbass. The New Rada, for a place in which everyone is not lazy, besides everything else, needs to solve the main task - to do everything so that the liberated cities become Ukrainian in practice, and not on paper. And not with a whip, but with a carrot - a whip, has not been working for a long time. Otherwise, a fire will break out there again, perhaps even stronger than before. In the meantime, when I read the bulletins News “70% of Donbass support Ukraine”, it makes me either funny or sad.
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  1. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 5 November 2014 05: 06
    +9
    They do not care about people
    1. VOLKHOV
      VOLKHOV 5 November 2014 06: 38
      -20
      Those who are in the illustration - yes. Military KAMAZ, new weapons, camouflage, masks, ribbons.
      And the article is, as it were, from the ATO from the Ukrainian side.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 5 November 2014 07: 34
        +1
        Quote: V0LHOV
        Military KAMAZ, new weapons, camouflage, masks, ribbons.

        Where is the new? belay what
      2. Styx
        Styx 5 November 2014 08: 34
        +1
        Ettto what is here for us pendochihuahua (plural) sits and barks? The address you want to prompt or self-made, not a good thing?
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 5 November 2014 09: 33
          +5
          Article minus. The author forgot to list the "achievements" of the junta in Donbass: thousands of killed, tortured civilians, crushed and burned cities and towns, categorically imposing his "galloping" outlook (chimera), compulsion to universal svidomost ... You can list for a long time. The time for talking was lost in April-May. Why love and respect them?
          1. ermolai
            ermolai 6 November 2014 04: 34
            0
            gentlemen, in vain you are so negative, no one would have allowed her to write a friend’s article, or the little hands had pulled out in the SBU. and so the main point was conveyed to those who still hear something
            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            and the very first grandmother in Ocheretny (a village not far from Donetsk), hearing that I was from Kiev, turned around with the words "let you go fuck you."

            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            As the soldiers live with the locals from Popasna, they answered me: “No way. We do not recognize them, and they do not recognize us. ”

            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            At the same time, fighters do not hide insults - we are fighting for you, and you hate us. This, probably, is the main paradox of the Donbass - people do not want Ukraine to protect them. Let not all. But the majority. And this is the bitter truth that needs to be recognized

            and you are cons. read carefully, and after reading digest what you read. and still do not rush, then you will have time.
      3. nvn_co
        nvn_co 5 November 2014 10: 01
        +2
        Dear VOLKHOV! As I understand it, you are trying in the comments, in almost all articles, to play the role of opposition: you constantly criticize everything, constantly stipulate everything ... But this is not a thought and is not happy. You were not chosen here, and you were not encouraged to come here. I remember that you somehow even hinted that you were interfering, to brainwash someone there or something ... I don't remember exactly. But still I wanted to ask: “Why are you here? After all, you don’t like anything. Why do you constantly write something that others don’t like, and notice that most of you don’t like it? Maybe this is not your“ sandbox ”? Or you have such So you can go LJ and assert yourself there as much as you want and how you want. You will even have allies and fans there. If you don't like VO, then why come here and constantly throw mud at everything. I would like to remind you of the old proverb that if there are only scoundrels around you, then you should think, maybe this is not around scoundrels but ... ". Of course, I apologize to you, but still ... Are you tired of it?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 5 November 2014 15: 10
          +1
          nothing personal is a liberal laughing

          Followers of Novodvorskaya will never run out on our land.

          From time to time, followers need to be sent for mining.

          To be happy for the Motherland with a pickaxe in hands is so shaking hands
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        3. VOLKHOV
          VOLKHOV 5 November 2014 17: 40
          -3
          I’m here for information, because I’m curious and often find it, I just had a photo of an amusing boat.
          And oppositional statements - when patience is lacking or the level of foolishness is record-breaking - is like a statement about a purely Russian switch on the "mistrals" inaccessible to other forms of life. The knowledge of the 4th ETB group was not enough for me to imagine such a device, I assumed it was an ax - then everyone was offended in formation and rushed ...
          You can consider non-standard comments as a test such as captcha code - I wonder if robots are here or not.
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 5 November 2014 18: 45
        0
        Quote: V0LHOV
        in the illustration, yes. Military KAMAZ, new weapons, camouflage, masks, ribbons.
        And the article, as it were, from the ATO

        What does the photo of the militia in KAMAZ and the article about the attitude to ukrovoinami and Kuevskaya possession?
        Noticed a little piano in the bushes. wink
        But the stupid Svidomo people do not understand why the Donetsk people do not like them? request
        If the Banderlog instead of the ATO would start negotiations, go to meet the requirements for the creation of a federation, etc., then they would not have to bomb the cities and thereby generate (increase) hatred and "noble fury" towards themselves.
        True, in this case they would not be banderlogs ...
  2. svp67
    svp67 5 November 2014 05: 13
    +6
    How long will it last for such journalists? Will this woman withstand the onslaught and possible "garbage lustration"? And most importantly, will her word reach the reader of Ukraine?
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 5 November 2014 05: 31
      +12
      Quote: svp67
      How long will it last for such journalists? Will this woman withstand the onslaught and possible "garbage lustration"? And most importantly, will her word reach the reader of Ukraine?


      So what is she? It has matured that ukrov in the Donbass do not like. But I did not understand that most people in New Russia are not going to return to the independent. This journalist is still wondering how to regain the trust of the residents of Donbass? And everything is simple - to return the occupied territories of New Russia, to withdraw the troops of the punitive, to judge and punish the killers, and then you can try to build good neighborly relations. Maybe what happens?
      1. Finches
        Finches 5 November 2014 06: 15
        +4
        Good day to all! hi
        If Ukrainians are called Ukrainians in interpretation, and many of them are truly Ukrainians, then they are not loved not only in the Donbass! They are even hated in their Ukrainian Mecca, Canada! laughing
        It is not necessary to return anything, it is useless! Patient, Ukraine, rather dead than alive!
        1. Finches
          Finches 5 November 2014 07: 03
          0
          What a funny tottology was formed thanks to the moderators! Ukrainians and Ukrainians! laughing
          Well, let it be so veiled!
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 5 November 2014 07: 08
            +1
            The main paradox of Donbass is that people don’t want Ukraine to protect them.


            Yes, so that they so protect the residents of Lviv!
  3. raven75
    raven75 5 November 2014 05: 18
    +2
    About the same "rejoiced" the liberators from the "communist yoke" during the Second World War. Well, except for the Balts and the Western Ukrainians. Those fascists with joyful groveling cries began to kiss the lower back.
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  5. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 5 November 2014 05: 20
    +3
    The first step is to establish life in the DPR and LPR, pay salaries and pensions, ensure law and order, create an efficient army ... And the rest of the "hesitant" regions will immediately want to join ... hi
  6. Lukich
    Lukich 5 November 2014 05: 25
    +8
    as already zapadentsy realized that the Donbass does not want to be the outskirts

    The conflict in southeastern Ukraine has dragged on, and many residents of the western regions come to the conclusion that it is time to part with the Donbass, RIA Novosti reports citing a publication in the American newspaper The Washington Post. After 7 months of bloody confrontation in eastern Ukraine, the rest of the country began to more and more decisively turn towards the West. Many of its residents want to secede from New Russia, given its course towards joining the Russian Federation, the newspaper writes. Lviv region is one of those regions that are long and determined to establish close ties with the European community. The current conflict is causing conflicting feelings among people, especially among activists fighting for European integration. One of them is Andrei Sokolov, who led numerous demonstrations in Lviv last winter. He believes that Ukraine will be able to do without the eastern regions.
    “I have always believed that Ukraine will not be able to become part of Europe, as long as we have the Donbass. This is a depressed Soviet region, ”Sokolov told the newspaper. “If we could agree on a civilized way to get rid of this region, I would support it.”
    According to the newspaper, "the overwhelming majority of Lviv residents do not feel any satisfaction from the struggle for the territory with which they have never been closely connected, while declaring that they are fighting for Ukraine against Russia." “This problem did not arise overnight,” says Andriy Sadovy, Lviv mayor, referring to the situation in the east of the country. - For 20 years, the Ukrainian government has done nothing to make them feel like Ukrainians. Meanwhile, Russia was playing a skillful game. " At the same time, according to the newspaper, "the history of Ukraine forces them to approach any discussions on the issue of border movements with great caution." With elections held in militia-controlled territories, "the split in Ukraine is likely to deepen even further," predicts the Washington Post. "The rest of Ukraine will have to decide how hard it is to fight for the territories it has lost."
    1. victorsh
      victorsh 5 November 2014 05: 51
      +2
      The Lviv region is one of those regions that have long been determined to establish close ties with the European community.
      About six years ago he returned with a guard from Samara. Five wagons were packed with hard workers from Lvov and Frankivsk. We went to work in Irkutsk. I am sure they are still traveling. And since when is this territory located in Europe?
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 5 November 2014 16: 07
        0
        Lviv region is a region that is ready to travel to Poland for the profit on operating expenses from cigarette smuggling and therefore, because of the convenience of travel, is in favor of European integration. But if you need to "cut the loot" on a large scale (buy a car or build a house) then they go to Siberia. Just business - nothing personal
        Quote: victorsh
        About six years ago he returned with a guard from Samara. Five wagons were packed with hard workers from Lvov and Frankivsk. We went to work in Irkutsk. I am sure they are still traveling. And since when is this territory located in Europe?
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 5 November 2014 16: 07
        0
        Lviv region is a region that is ready to travel to Poland for the profit on operating expenses from cigarette smuggling and therefore, because of the convenience of travel, is in favor of European integration. But if you need to "cut the loot" on a large scale (buy a car or build a house) then they go to Siberia. Just business - nothing personal
        Quote: victorsh
        About six years ago he returned with a guard from Samara. Five wagons were packed with hard workers from Lvov and Frankivsk. We went to work in Irkutsk. I am sure they are still traveling. And since when is this territory located in Europe?
      3. ermolai
        ermolai 6 November 2014 04: 45
        0
        yes let them go, but according to the system the nipple, i.e. no way back, no transfers, and themselves from the border back to the Irkutsk region. but under guard and for a long time. I’m joking of course, but somehow they are annoying the food here, oh right, the old Shevchenko said that a crest would eat bread with you and immediately shit in your soup.
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 5 November 2014 12: 18
      0
      This Lviv region is a depressive region!
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 November 2014 05: 32
    +2
    At first, the bundle will go, segregation. Then migration according to political preferences. Actually nothing surprising. If in the winter they start to slaughter the Russians, then they will run to the Donbass. Accordingly, they will begin to squeeze junta supporters from Donbass.
  8. Railway
    Railway 5 November 2014 05: 33
    +2
    we are fighting for you, but you hate us. This, probably, is the main paradox of the Donbass - people do not want Ukraine to protect them.
    I'm just amazed. Who are the kakly protecting there? Who are they fighting for? Typical victim of Amero-Gayropei propaganda. Article minus
  9. shishakova
    shishakova 5 November 2014 05: 41
    +4
    The son died for Ukraine, and now his mother is taking revenge.
    What does such cruelty mean?
    People are tired of war; they cannot objectively evaluate reality when life is so hard.
  10. domokl
    domokl 5 November 2014 05: 43
    +3
    And Too much blood has been shed on both sides. Already shed ... And blood does not always connect .. Alas, it more often separates people. How should New Russians relate to dill? Those who have not had a normal, albeit miserable life? Those who lost relatives, friends, neighbors?
    In the same way, on the other hand ... Mother or father, brother or sister, a friend of the deceased in the east, too, will not consider the New Russians brothers ...
    Now there are only two options for solving the problem: either a complete victory of one of the parties and the physical liquidation of the majority of the opponents, or a complete break ... Full ... Then, after years, gradually, the relationship will be restored ... But that generation must go, who is fighting now ...
  11. Lukich
    Lukich 5 November 2014 05: 45
    +4
    Quote: shishakova
    The son died for Ukraine, and now his mother is taking revenge. What does such cruelty say?

    the other side of the war. people are tired, annoyed, and here is the "enemy". so the steam is drained ((
  12. ochakow703
    ochakow703 5 November 2014 05: 46
    0
    An interesting way to protect their citizens was chosen by ukrofashiki, using carpet shelling of peaceful cities. Well, probably this is the only solution that could have arisen in the fascists' brain bone.
  13. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 November 2014 05: 51
    +7
    Conclusion: people do not want to live under the rule of the junta!
  14. Djuma-13
    Djuma-13 5 November 2014 05: 51
    +1
    ... for the embroidered shirt in the Donbas, you can catch a bullet, as in a kyiv for the St. George ribbon
  15. Semenov
    Semenov 5 November 2014 05: 54
    +1
    Well, Lviv has set his sights on his native West, and they have the third largest faction in BP. New Russia, Galicia and the Kiev region are looming more distinctly.
  16. Donch4ak
    Donch4ak 5 November 2014 07: 00
    0
    Zhirinovsky correctly said that the war in Donbass is beneficial to everyone except the residents of Donbass. This "brewed porridge" will boil for a very long time, and it will take even longer to disentangle it ...
  17. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 5 November 2014 07: 17
    0
    And how to make the inhabitants of the separatist-terrorist districts freed from the hordes of love for their liberators ukrovoyak, not a whip, but this girl writes a carrot, but the question arises, where to get gingerbread cookies for the Donbass people when Ukropiya itself eats the ninth horseradish without salt.
  18. DMB-75
    DMB-75 5 November 2014 07: 22
    +4
    Donbass will never become dill water!
  19. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 5 November 2014 07: 31
    0
    in the photo dressed dill? or the photo is old? ... just now, not a single militia can see a dangling ribbon ... they are all sewn onto the sleeves along with the DPR and LPR patches
  20. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 5 November 2014 10: 18
    +1
    Photos stuck, which came to hand. And the militias were forbidden to use masks for a long time.
  21. Vend
    Vend 5 November 2014 10: 44
    +1
    Well, at least so, but already more adequately from a Ukrainian journalist. Maybe they will still sober up, from the Maidan "booze"
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 5 November 2014 13: 08
      0
      Do not sober up - gangrene is too running and the decomposition process is irreversible and inoperable.
  22. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 5 November 2014 11: 58
    +2
    The reporter tried to really assess the situation, nothing more. The main message of the article is what needs to be done so that the people of the DPR and LPR begin to perceive the Ukrainian authorities as their own. So there is no talk of any insight. However, the view from that side is always interesting. us, unfortunately, the same observed bias to cheer patriotism and denial of the obvious.
  23. pts-m
    pts-m 5 November 2014 14: 51
    0
    which was to be expected!