How much does a soul cost?

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I have been a reader of “VO” since about May, but only now I decided to register and post my thoughts about what is happening in Ukraine and in Russia, because I can’t be silent.

I carefully follow the news, both from the Russian and Ukrainian sides. I read various analysts, agree with something, with something - no. Someone considers what is happening from the point of view of the "party of peace" ("plum"), someone from the point of view of the "party of war".

I have my own point of view. I look at everything that is happening in Ukraine and the reflection of this in Russia with the eyes of an Orthodox person.

Everything that happens there, in Ukraine, is a great test not only for Ukrainians, but also for Russians. This is a great "test for lice" for us.

Residents of Ukraine are completely insane, and this is a consequence of not only propaganda, but also targeted real-life zombies. There was an article about psychotronic weapon and how the Russian journalist has changed, having moved to Ukraine. Most users of the portal have chosen to throw mud at it together, accusing of corruption. I did not comment on anything then, but I also think that she is a victim of the impact, and she can only sympathize with her.

Someone made an interesting montage of the chronicles of Ukraine and the frames of the film “Inhabited Island”, created after the work of the brilliant Strugatsky brothers.



But just the other day, an interview was taken, taken from I. I. Strelkov by Marat Musin, where Strelkov personally confirmed that Ukraine has the strongest effect on consciousness: "Ukrainian TV channels, in particular, 5 channel, use the methods of NLP. Long viewing of Ukrainian TV channels made me feel that I oppose the "Ukrainian people" and am a terrorist. For a convinced person like me, this is simply not normal. Used direct impact. I do not know which technology was used - either a specially constructed text, or an 25 frame, but what it was was unequivocal. And not only I felt this impact. Many militiamen, if they watched Ukrainian television for a long time, lost their motivation to fight. "



I think the words of a man who was at the epicenter of events cannot be trusted.

So, let us take for granted that there is such an impact on the consciousness of the people of Ukraine.

Speaking figuratively, Ukraine can be compared with an obstructed family member, who every day behaves more and more inadequately, and now he broke the glass, took a fragment in his hands and pokes this fragment on his body, unkindly glancing at the rest of the family.

The question is, what next?

You can go the hard way, try to twist it, put on a straitjacket, inject a sedative and start long and difficult to treat it. And you can close the room alone with yourself and a piece of glass, hoping that "it will resolve itself somehow."

Today, Ukraine is the greatest test for Russia and the Russians. This is a test for the worst sin - betrayal!

To leave people under the rule of the Nazis, under the continuous zombie influence, is to betray them. These are our people, let them in the craze and forget about it, among them there are a lot of our relatives and friends, who in anger denied us.

Some people, the personification of which is Strelkov, say that it is necessary to reach Kiev and destroy these conventional “towers”. It is a difficult path, it is a path of pain, suffering and deprivation, but it is a righteous path.

Others say that it is necessary to “come to an agreement”, and it is important for Gazprom to keep its gas contracts in Europe.

What can you negotiate with the Nazis? In 1939, they also thought that they had agreed on everything. In 1941, a war began that brought innumerable sacrifices and destruction. Is memory really so short?

About gas contracts. According to open data, gas was exported to 2013 in the far and near foreign countries (excluding Belarus and Kazakhstan) in the amount of $ 67,232 billion.

On the calculator, I divided this amount by 143 million of the population of Russia. It turned out about 47 US dollars for each. This is the price of betrayal.

I have nothing against Gazprom and its business. But still there are things higher than cut paper.

Perhaps, it is necessary not only to think about your stomach, but also to think about your soul? For all sooner or later have to pay.

Obama once said that Russia is on the wrong side stories. In fact, we are on the TOE side, while we are going through a difficult but righteous way. This is the path of Goodness, the path of overcoming the difficulties, sanctions, and other essentially worldly nonsense for the salvation of one’s neighbor (the Ukrainian people) and for the salvation of one’s own soul.

To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving her under the Nazis-is the path of evil. It means switching to NOT THAT side of the story, selling your soul for 47 US dollars.
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  1. +29
    5 November 2014 08: 52
    zombie the population of Ukraine by the media is a fact ...
    1. +7
      5 November 2014 09: 12
      No wonder that the curators of the Ukrainian junta from across the ocean, and they are great masters in the mass impact on the psyche of people.
      1. +3
        5 November 2014 09: 39


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        1. WKS
          +1
          5 November 2014 11: 55
          Prolonged viewing of Ukrainian TV channels made me feel that I am against the "Ukrainian people" and that I am a terrorist. For a convinced person like me, this is simply not normal. Direct impact was used. I do not know what specific technology was used - either a specially constructed text, or the 25th frame, but what it was is unambiguous. And not only I felt this impact. Many militias, if they watched Ukrainian television for a long time, lost their motivation to fight. "
          The 25th frame is a newspaper duck. 70% of people are susceptible to suggestion and can be easily hypnotized. Maybe the author's "conviction" is explained precisely by the fact that he belongs to these 70%.
          1. +2
            5 November 2014 14: 29
            The newspaper duck about the 25th frame was launched to discredit the effect with this name in the minds of ordinary people. Video zombie technologies work even more efficiently than audio zombies, it's just that they push the "herd" about the 25th frame far from real technology.
            By the way, the fact that Germany became the first country in the world in which regular television broadcasting was organized was due to the efforts of the Minister of Propaganda Dr. Goebbels, who believed that the same phrase in the heads of different people does not necessarily form the same images, and he wished that the given concrete images would be brought to the Germans consciousness. The basis of such a desire is the fact that through the visual channel a person receives about 90% of information about the world around him. Even a simple translation of the video sequence in a given way effectively affects the majority of the population, and even more so if it is processed taking into account the characteristics of human psychophysics. Even on conditionally unsuspected, which among people are also quite a lot. The most effective is LITERALLY disable television transponders (towers) - the brains of zombies self-clean for a period of time from a week to a month.
            1. Ataman
              +2
              5 November 2014 15: 05
              It is not necessary to treat the Ukrainian disease, but to eliminate its cause, which lies beyond the Atlantic. This is exactly what Russia is doing. Suppose hegemon, all infected themselves quickly heal.
              1. bda
                bda
                +1
                5 November 2014 19: 23
                The reason is not overseas. The author is right - the reason is in us. The Holy Fathers said more than once: "The enemy is not strong, but we are weak." And overseas just jackals wanting to profit from the weak. And the weaker we are, the more active and brazen these creatures will behave. And the reason for our weakness, including in the idea of ​​a recent holiday (or rather in its weak actual implementation), is the lack of unity.
                Even in the case of direct military confrontation of countries of disparate combat potential, history knows almost no examples when a small but internally united state, defending itself, was defeated by a much larger and stronger one. But there are as many reverse examples as you like - from Afghans and Gurks, already at the end of the XNUMXth century, carving armies to the teeth of the British with just knives, to Vietnam and the Sandinista Nicaragua (where, by the way, Daniel Ortega, the leader of the Sandinist partisans, is again in power).

                about $ 47 each. This is the price of betrayal.


                But even these US $ 47 do not reach the majority of our fellow citizens anyway, and, for the most part, these "pieces of silver for betrayal" end up in the pockets of those who order a hysteria on our copper field on the topic: "We must be pragmatic! Conflicting with the West over Ukraine is more expensive! We are obliged (!) to provide Ukraine with gas so as not to create problems in trade with Europe! " etc."
                1. 0
                  6 November 2014 18: 28
                  Quote: bda
                  about $ 47 each. This is the price of betrayal. But even these 47 US $ do not reach the majority of our fellow citizens anyway, and, for the most part, these "silver coins for betrayal" settle in the pockets of those who order a hysteria on our copper field on the topic: " pragmatic! We cannot conflict over Ukraine with the West - we are more expensive! We are obliged (!) to provide Ukraine with gas so as not to create problems in trade with Europe! " etc."


                  To be precise, not $ 47, but $ 470. Although this does not change the essence of the article.
                2. 0
                  6 November 2014 18: 28
                  Quote: bda
                  about $ 47 each. This is the price of betrayal. But even these 47 US $ do not reach the majority of our fellow citizens anyway, and, for the most part, these "silver coins for betrayal" settle in the pockets of those who order a hysteria on our copper field on the topic: " pragmatic! We cannot conflict over Ukraine with the West - we are more expensive! We are obliged (!) to provide Ukraine with gas so as not to create problems in trade with Europe! " etc."


                  To be precise, not $ 47, but $ 470. Although this does not change the essence of the article.
      2. +8
        5 November 2014 09: 39
        The main thing is that any path will be bad .... You will not support the east of the country "U" - betrayed the brothers who believed you ... Help the east - for the rest U - you are an imperialist power imposing "your order", you will behave like a humanist and send help needy .... - not decisive, at this time Ukro-media and information fighters will wrap up events to please themselves and against us .... So there is no simple and affordable way. You will not close "this child with glass" in a separate room, the European integrators will whisper to him how to hold the shard correctly. Perhaps it is really better to act according to the Strugatskys ... to slowly and surely introduce "Correct" thoughts into the consciousness. But I know (feel) for sure that this is the only way to return the world. to close the "child" in the room is not an option, he is not a reasonable child, but the windows and "good neighbors" will do what you did not want to do ... so only a dialogue from the cycle: What else bothers you ?, do you want to talk about it ? .....
        1. +2
          5 November 2014 09: 59
          And "fencing off" the problem leads to the opposite effect, and this can be seen in the very side of "U" _ the prohibition of Russian films and TV leads to the opposite - people want to watch them, even those who would not watch, Slavs need to understand themselves, but for that they were turned off ...-) well, we are arranged so that we need to figure it out ourselves lol
          1. WKS
            +1
            5 November 2014 12: 15
            Quote: LevITon
            the ban on Russian films and TV leads to the opposite - people want to watch them

            The forbidden fruit is always sweet. This truth is known from Adam. A classic example, during the Soviet era, a lot of people listened to the enemy voices through the noise of jammers with excitement.
        2. fedok
          +1
          5 November 2014 11: 15
          The Strugatskys ... hmmm ... OZ or forty years later ... Something tells me that not only the country "U", but also the country "R" - we are all burdened by Evil.
        3. 0
          5 November 2014 12: 08
          Quote: LevITon
          Help the east - for the rest of you - you are an imperialist power imposing "your own order"

          Dear, you are confusing concepts. The question is HOW to help. Do not do the work FOR the residents of the Southeast, and throughout Ukraine. They need to help themselves. Help needs resources (which Russia does, thanks a lot). Help create the superiority of the self-defense forces over the junta, after which the army of the Southeast will be able to liberate neighboring territories. Believe me, people from these territories will replenish the forces of resistance. Thus, the Ukrainians themselves will fight for freedom from the Nazis, instead of uncle INSTEAD of them, everything will be simple and clear.
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    3. +7
      5 November 2014 09: 23
      How much does a soul cost?


      A few quotes from the teacher:

      "How much will a man pay for his soul?"
      "What is the use of a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul?"

      I look at everything that happens with the look of an Orthodox person.


      what is happening in Ukraine? what kind of forces have come, got power there? what do they destroy? and the most important question: why was this possible?

      In my opinion, many people have forgotten about the most important thing, let "EVIL" into their hearts, and received the embodiment of all antihuman evil in their lives, and this can be attributed in many respects to the Russian Federation, but "the gates of hell will not prevail against it"

      Are these people to blame? - on the one who seduced guilt more. from this the truth is not easier ...

      How to help them? it is impossible to be cute by force, and no one has canceled free will.
      one can help, perhaps only, proceeding from Orthodoxy, however pathetic it may sound - it is LOVE THEM, love in spite of everything, probably this is the salvation of them and us ...

      To betray the people of Ukraine


      what kind of people? What kind of Ukraine? answer these questions.

      my answer is: this is my people, this is my land, and this is a war against me and all that is dear to me ......
      1. +3
        5 November 2014 09: 49
        Since we are talking about the soul ... I do not understand why the ROC is silent? Where is the shepherd’s weighty word? Why didn’t we hear a single sermon of the Patriarch to Ukrainians killing each other?
        The patriarch should be there at such an hour. Someone will say that there will be provocations. Yes they will. But does this mean that the Church must silently look at all the atrocities that are happening there? The fact that the souls of people are being killed from her flock.
        1. +4
          5 November 2014 10: 24
          Quote: sergey32
          Why is the ROC silent?


          Who told you that he was silent?

          Quote: sergey32
          Where is the shepherd’s weighty word?


          have you been in a temple for a long time?

          Quote: sergey32
          The patriarch should be there at such an hour.


          no comment, but ...........

          Quote: sergey32
          silently watch


          where is Strelkov collecting help for the Donbass?


          Dear Sergey32, a question for you: Are you baptized?
        2. +2
          5 November 2014 12: 09
          no need to blame the Patriarch and the Russian Orthodox Church for inaction. Do you go to church services every Sunday that the Patriarch serves and don’t hear from him sermons aimed at resolving the conflict? Or how do you know that he does not do them? And people cannot be cured by sermons and the situation cannot be changed. Since we are talking about Orthodoxy, we must fight evil (wars, epidemics) as in the good old Orthodox times - fasting, prayer, religious processions, etc. And not only for the Patriarch, but also for the whole people who consider themselves Orthodox.
        3. WKS
          +2
          5 November 2014 12: 40
          Quote: sergey32
          The patriarch should be there at such an hour.

          Maybe another rifle battalion of Orthodox monks and priests to create?
        4. +4
          5 November 2014 14: 45
          Dear Sergei, you simply do not have information, but at the same time you are in a hurry to indiscriminately accuse the Russian Orthodox Church of inaction, without bothering to walk to the nearest church, go there to the Department of Mercy (and there is one in almost any parish) and ask about his work, at the same time bring assistance to refugees, which is collected and distributed there. On the TV channels "Soyuz", "Spas" and "Blagovest", for example, since the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, you would also find many refutations of your words about how the Church is "silent" The fact that the Church does not have its own platform for direct appeals through the central federal channels (but which sound on Soyuz, Spas, Blagovest, Orthodox sites and forums, regional church television and Internet channels), then This is clearly not the Church's fault, but the information policy of these very channels with continuous bazaar talk shows, the same type of stupid melodramas and entertainment. And the Church will not bring them any profit here, unlike all this.
          This is all about the question of "silence." As for the Patriarch himself, then you, apparently, are not aware that he has already sought a visit several times, but he was told that "they did not guarantee his safety" and made it clear that he was simply Metropolitan Hilarion was recently deployed at the Ukrainian airport, although he arrived on a private visit at the funeral of an archbishop, his longtime friend. And such examples have already accumulated enough from the news of central channels.
          Therefore, one should not blame the Church for silence and inaction, without bothering to find out about the real state of affairs not on the couch, but in the Church itself (in this case, as a public body).
          PSBesides other things, many coordinators of assistance to militias and refugees (including Strelkov) advise to send help through church collection points, because, unfortunately, many scammers appeared.
          Regards R.V.
        5. 0
          5 November 2014 19: 54
          Quote: sergey32
          Since we are talking about the soul ... I do not understand why the ROC is silent? Where is the shepherd’s weighty word? Why didn’t we hear a single sermon of the Patriarch to Ukrainians killing each other?
          The patriarch should be there at such an hour. Someone will say that there will be provocations. Yes they will. But does this mean that the Church must silently look at all the atrocities that are happening there? The fact that the souls of people are being killed from her flock.

          The ROC is not headed by a clergyman, but first of all I watch the merchant on TV in his eyes there is no sanctity in them, only the cunning of the ROC huckster has long turned into a commercial structure with fixed tariffs for free, only water could be dialed like that in the church - he left in fury - infuriated the price list for services local priest (hung on the wall) so that "from each according to his ability" is supposed to be with the device.
          1. battery
            0
            6 November 2014 02: 37
            duty-free vodka with tobacco, let’s remember from behind a hillock, representative-class geldings in Gelendzhik (several dozen lyamas) watch 250000 in conditional raccoons, baptismal services are chargeable and more. For now they’ll yell, you’re baptized, yes you’ll ... NO no I’m baptized. I don’t want to have anything to do with the merchants who have brought the temple and faith in the bazaar. Tell me, did John the Baptist take even a penny for Jesus’s baptism? Remember Jesus driving the merchants out of the temple, about not making an idol and an icon? and for a snack: Come to your house, kneel alone, raise your thoughts to God and may he hear you revelation from John. The conclusion of the modern church has the same relation to Vera as the banana crop in Costa Rica to the penguin population
      2. WKS
        +1
        5 November 2014 12: 30
        Quote: APES
        my answer is: this is my people, this is my land, and this is a war against me and all that is dear to me ......

        I would add that this is a war of the West, this is his aggression, this is fooled by the money of our people in Ukraine, and in Russia too, it is he who is trying to split the Russian world into hostile parts. The West disguises all these hostile actions as friendly, but in reality it is a war where only Russian people shed blood (so far !!!).
    4. +5
      5 November 2014 09: 37


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    6. +23
      5 November 2014 10: 01
      The same fact as zombies on Russian TV. Continuous hangouts of zvizduns, jokes below the belt, animated cartoons from there, dubious series, fucking advertisements, illiterate broadcasters, replacement of Russian speech, etc., you will not list all. But there are honest transfers. Therefore, in the heads of porridge.
      1. +1
        5 November 2014 12: 56
        The same fact as zombies on Russian TV. Continuous hangouts of zvizduns, jokes below the belt, animated cartoons from there, dubious series, fucking advertisements, illiterate broadcasters, replacement of Russian speech, etc., you will not list all. But there are honest transfers. Therefore, in the heads of porridge.


        And you, excuse me, no one forces you to watch "parties of zvizdunov", cartoons from there, etc. blizzard. Watch Soviet films, cartoons "Masha and the Bear" or Smeshariki, switch when the "news series" is on. And then you are not afraid of any zombie.
    7. +4
      5 November 2014 10: 03
      A good article, the right thoughts, the right words to express these thoughts ... The author is right: it’s impossible to convince zombies, only by eliminating the cause, you can deal with the consequences of its impact on people.
    8. +6
      5 November 2014 10: 25
      But it seems to me that the betrayal of ukrov began long before the use of psychotropic weapons to them. Here the author gave an example here from the history of 1939 and 1941 years. It’s not easier to give an example of 1945 year. For the sake of saving the world from the fascist plague, tens of millions of lives have been laid. The Nazis then destroyed. And fascism still lives and thrives. Because it is impossible to destroy ideology by force. Ideology is like a disease. She needs to be ill and develop immunity. Those who have not yet been infected should create an isolation ward for patients. He who does not die will be cured. And sacrifice their people, so that later they hang these hohlopitheks galloping around their necks. And then also listen to the theses about the endless and inexorable guilt of Russia before them. Oh well him in FIG.
      1. +2
        5 November 2014 12: 37
        Quote: Mahmut
        And then also listen to the theses about the endless and inexorable guilt of Russia before them. Oh well him in FIG.


        ... like the extremely filthy Georgian film "Repentance" ... in front of whom? banderlog?
      2. 0
        5 November 2014 19: 55
        Here, indeed, an ambiguous opinion is caused by the article.
        Well, to whom only the Soviet Union did not help - and so what ?! We constantly need someone and something. And at what cost we were cured of worship of Western clothes ... At the cost of an entire state - the USSR. No, my soul does not accept this article. And I believe in my soul. After all, she is also from God.
    9. pies
      0
      5 November 2014 10: 57
      Who wanted to become a zombie he became one.
      1. WKS
        +2
        5 November 2014 12: 49
        Quote: pies
        Who wanted to become a zombie he became one.

        You are mistaken. Zombies become one who is subject to external suggestion.
    10. 0
      5 November 2014 11: 37
      I judge not from the position of an Orthodox person, but from the side of a Pan-Slavist ... and I don’t know) I myself am not Russian, but with a Russian mentality) I probably rather favor the unity of the Russian world. Ukraine should be ours, but ours not by capture, but by our minds. it's complicated, but it's monjo. And anyone who talks about victory, if we disconnect the Donbass from Ukraine, does not understand that we will lose the rest of Ukraine completely.
      1. WKS
        +3
        5 November 2014 12: 54
        Quote: cyberhanter
        if we disconnect Donbass from Ukraine, it doesn’t understand that at the same time we are losing the rest of Ukraine completely.

        Donbass is like a seed for crystal formation. Around which the Russians will begin to gather their lands, and the intoxicated people will come to their senses.
      2. 0
        5 November 2014 15: 42
        Quote: cyberhanter
        we lose
        Yaroslavl, Kronstadt, Central Asia ... Where else did the Red Army hurt us so much that we lost something forever? It is not a pity to lose such an infection as it is now in Ukraine. In the hope that the "partners" will find. And they will be happy. And Ukraine itself will not go anywhere - not a shovel with dollars, it will not fall out of your pocket.
    11. -1
      5 November 2014 13: 42
      So, let us take for granted that there is such an impact on the consciousness of the people of Ukraine.

      My friend, not all the same, the effect can be explained, or hypnosis, by mass psychosis.
      Here you are - a believer, an Orthodox person, you know that in the next world, when God asks for sins, for bad deeds in life, you will not be able to "pay off" referring to some kind of influence, demons, tempter, you will have to answer for what you have done, in full ...

      Some people, the personification of which is Strelkov, say that it is necessary to reach Kiev and destroy these conventional “towers”. It is a difficult path, it is a path of pain, suffering and deprivation, but it is a righteous path.

      Forgive me, but I don't see anything righteous in this. It is one thing to defend the Motherland, another thing to attack other people's territories, and teach them intelligence. They taught once, in 1941-45, are the Germans really grateful for that? or grateful to those who lived under the wing of the Warsaw Pact? Under the name of Salvation of "sinful" souls, Islam, and the crusades, and reconquest, and communism, and what ISIS is doing now, spread. When they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," they mean just that. Before bringing goodness, you need to ask them, do they need it?

      What can you negotiate with the Nazis? In 1939, they also thought that they had agreed on everything. In 1941, a war began that brought innumerable sacrifices and destruction. Is memory really so short?

      the memory is long, they know that there is nothing to negotiate with the Nazis, and therefore they ask all 5 billions, they are tired of lending.

      Perhaps, it is necessary not only to think about your stomach, but also to think about your soul? For all sooner or later have to pay.

      That’s just about this, of course I understand that all the oil belongs to the people of Russia, at one time the oligarchs took their hands on them, as if their grandfather left them for personal use, but now a large share in the hands of the state, and it cares about people (I hope so), but then you have to pay debts ?!
      I don’t know how in Christianity, although there is no steal, but in Islam, the duty to live at someone else’s expense is a terrible sin. When a person dies, the mullah asks the audience: Did the deceased have debts? if they say - Yes, then the relatives are obligated to pay, otherwise, his soul will go straight to hell. Does the people of Ukraine have different views on life? don’t ... fool you will not live? I think not, so they should pay. This is just fair. Both from the side of religion, and from the side of earthly laws prescribed in the constitution, mutual agreements, and other pieces of paper. Therefore, Ukrainians should not think about their stomachs, but it’s better to pay debts and live honestly. Then perhaps the soul will go to heaven. As for sadak (alms), it is usually given to the have-nots, voluntarily, and the oligarchs in power in Kiev, judging by the cheeks, are not very poor. Moreover, we know that the USA and Europe supply them. But with this money they continue the war.
    12. +2
      5 November 2014 13: 42
      To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving her under the Nazis-is the path of evil. It means switching to NOT THAT side of the story, selling your soul for 47 US dollars.

      These words should be said to you right in the Verkhovna Rada, in Kiev, in the person of Poroshenko, Turchinov, Yatsenyuk ?! What do you want from the Russian people?

      You really don’t understand who is moving the levers? Aren't those whom I named? For the sake of money, for the sake of revenge or some other bad purpose, they all this time, all 23 of the year, set the Ukrainian people against the Russians, against their own history and common culture with the Russians, for the sake of the European Union, a good life, and after that you blame what the Russians think about food? about the animal? You are just crazy! Tell me, are you from Ukraine? why I ask, your logic is somewhat different, so you talked about psychotropic weapons, I think you yourself fell under its influence.
      What did the Russian people do all 23 of the year? Survived! after betrayal in the Bialowieza Forest, the people were destitute, beaten up, if the national republics of the former Soviet Union were surrendered to themselves, then big Russia almost broke itself into small republics, and there was such a threat after the victory in the first Chechen bandits In other areas, they began to sow confusion, the crisis of the 98, the fall of the ruble, all the country's resources in the hands of the oligarchs, inflated prices, no social services, the army in collapse, the people in poverty, everything went to this, to the collapse of the country, to its fall into the abyss, with a point of no return. only a firm and powerful hand bestowed from above saved the thousand-year history of Russia from suicide. And now its restoration is taking place, and believe me, Russian people don’t need someone else’s problems, some kind of gains, revanchist sentiments as Americans put it, Putin would still have to master the taiga, and he is right! need to recover, to survive. There are only wolves around ... and the jackal is shallow. Putin does not need us to tell someone else, and he is right again, but he won’t give up his bear, that’s fair. So the Russian people, as there were no affairs for others, are still gone, because they have enough of their own problems, bring the people together into a common idea, and build the future.
      And I wish the Ukrainian people to grow up, and MYSELF to get out of the problem and not look for those responsible for others. They managed to make the Maidan, and I think their freedom will also be recaptured from the villains in power.
      1. +1
        5 November 2014 15: 48
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        What did the Russian people do for 23 years? Survived! after betrayal in the Bialowieza Forest, the people were destitute, with a broken trough

        Very correct! Why forget about it? Someone in their youth, and someone in the hope that it will be possible to bring poison of doubt into young souls.
    13. Denis fj
      0
      5 November 2014 19: 59
      Soon an old friend and helper of the Russian Land will come - WINTER! Everything will fall into place, friends and enemies will appear.
  2. +24
    5 November 2014 08: 52
    I served in Ukraine for several years — they have always been like that.
    1. +7
      5 November 2014 09: 08
      Quote: fomkin
      I served in Ukraine for several years, they have always been like that

      were .... now it’s only gotten worse ...
      1. +1
        5 November 2014 17: 40
        Quote: RBLip
        were .... now it’s only gotten worse ...


        Back in 1954 he was in Stryu, Lviv and Mukachevo. Yes, they were exactly like Yarosh, Tyagnibok and Parubiy only stealthily and not in full voice. There is no way to fix such talk - only surgically.
    2. +2
      5 November 2014 09: 14
      always been like that

      ... absolutely agree ... they do not need to be zombied ...
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    4. +1
      5 November 2014 10: 17
      Quote: fomkin
      I served in Ukraine for several years — they have always been like that.


      What are they? If in the western part, I can believe it. They treated the mos ... m coolly, and the center and the southeast were not "like that", not p ... di.
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      2. +1
        5 November 2014 10: 44
        Which ones?


        ... with the mentality of a prostitute ... there were and are ... you don't believe, go talk to them ... yes, even on the South Coast (they have not gone anywhere from Crimea) ... their main thought is "That we ... sho Ukrainians, sho Russians ... if only they carried grandmas "(personally heard and more than once)
        ... go talk, you’ll understand ... and if you don’t understand, I'm sorry ... you diagnosed yourself

        P.S. ... in general, an article about the value of the soul ... whoever does not understand, it has no price ... but for whom it has ... read above
        1. +1
          5 November 2014 11: 40
          Quote: Oleg NSK
          yes, even on the South Coast (they have not gone anywhere from the Crimea) ... their main idea is "That to us ... sho Ukrainians, sho Russians ... if only they carried grandmas" (I personally heard it more than once)


          listen, smart guy, so they "hit money" during the season)))) there is nowhere else ...

          And to the phrase "That we sho Ukrainians, sho Russians" need to be philosophical and understanding)))))
          they, unlike you, do not make a difference)))))

          Well, what is your diagnosis if you yourself do not understand what you are writing? )))))))
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      4. +1
        5 November 2014 15: 53
        Quote: Goodmen
        southeast - was not "like that", not p ... di.

        Where then the phrase "Mos-kali usyo zyily" will not prompt? This is Donetsk, the traders told us damned people. When we went to Ukraine, which fed the whole of Russia, we came to buy food. From Rostov.
        1. +1
          6 November 2014 10: 38
          Quote: 97110
          Where then the phrase "Mos-kali usyo zyily" will not prompt?


          Egegey ... please don't be confused !!! but as throughout the RSFSR, and then Russia on the Muscovites who "truncated zyly" looked? Have you forgotten the "sausage" trains to Moscow?

          So, it is not the "Donetsk hucksters" who are to blame, but our authorities.
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    6. 0
      5 November 2014 12: 49
      Quote: fomkin
      I served in Ukraine for several years — they have always been like that.

      The question is what to do about it? How to make them better?
      It is easy to say "they are to blame". But this disease will not stop and will come deeper into Russia until people learn to recognize the shortcomings in themselves and improve themselves.
      If people in Russia cannot understand how to cure Ukraine, Russia can be crushed in the same way.
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 20: 08
        How to make them better?

        You cannot make another person better. Only life itself teaches everyone - sweat, blood, mistakes ... There is no other way.
  3. +4
    5 November 2014 08: 56
    According to the article: If Everything Was So Simple ...
  4. +22
    5 November 2014 08: 57
    The author got a little lost. On the one hand, gas, on the other Novorossiya. What to do ??? Block the gas and start a full-scale invasion, or something else ???
    And about the 25 frame, this bullshit has long been dispelled. If you watch news on TV every day, then a person will perceive reality as it is shown on TV. And without any frames.
    1. +3
      5 November 2014 09: 35
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And about frame 25, this bullshit has long been dispelled.
      I have other information. Why then is its use prohibited by the laws of a number of countries? They dispelled the myth that if a quickly flashing picture is inserted into a random information context, then its content has an inspiring effect on the viewer. But techniques for optimizing the context through such pictures, I think, are being developed. In other words: who proved that the "25th frame" is bullshit, regardless of where in the video stream it is inserted and how the information of the "25th frame" relates to the information of the video stream? The 25th frame is put in quotation marks, since today digital technologies make it easy to vary this parameter too.
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 11: 48
        Quote: Stanislav
        25th frame p

        makes a psychopath, he doesn’t inspire anything, but prevents him from concentrating, which unbalances, causes anxiety ... attempts to concentrate, even after turning off the video, look aggressive, but without a certain focus ...
        there is only the possibility to assume that after removing a person from balance, regardless of the material viewed, give direction to aggression ...
        only the degree of impact of the frame can cause doubts, one thing is disturbing, but to break the personality, I don’t think that it is capable, although zombies take place in schools, where they are doing nothing, and in the company, and on TV, and at home ...
        here 25 frames are not necessary ...
        1. 0
          5 November 2014 12: 37
          "25th frame" is like the blinking of a light bulb for Pavlov's dog in order to control its physiological processes. I.P. Pavlov was awarded the Nobel Prize in the physiology of digestion, but not because, I believe, that it is important for the digestion of dogs, but because the sitmul changes the behavior of the dog and gives hope that human behavior can be controlled like the behavior of a trained dog. Look at what various large awards are given to psychologists, everything belongs to the field of little-recognized processes and unconscious factors when making a decision. But in order not to drive a wave of brainwashing, it is awarded not in psychology, but mainly in economics. The 1978 Nobel Prize in Economics was awarded to the American sociologist and educator G. Simon "for his innovative research of decision-making in economic organizations." In 2002, the Nobel Prize in Economics was awarded to the Israeli-American psychologist D. Kahneman - "for the application of psychological methods in economics, especially in the study of the formation of judgments and decision-making under conditions of uncertainty." You might ask, psychology is becoming a "science" of how to imperceptibly influence a person's decision, and in fact - the art of deception.
      2. 0
        5 November 2014 14: 15
        If you know, the Germans in the camps practiced a completely different methodology for changing consciousness. And it is fundamentally different from Smirnov's methodology. Moreover, Smirnov returned to German. I think this topic should not be developed. But one thing can be said that the "herd" is easier to manage than separate free-thinking individuals. Frame 25 has an effect, and this is without a doubt, but its effect extends to completely weak psyches. And there are more and more of them.
  5. +4
    5 November 2014 08: 57
    But still there are things higher than cut paper.
    This would be understood by everyone, otherwise loot is more important for many who call themselves Russians than conscience, justice ...
  6. +6
    5 November 2014 08: 57
    "Is the memory so short?"

    Judging by what is happening in the world, the memory really turned out to be short.
    1. +2
      5 November 2014 09: 04
      Quote: B.T.W.
      "Is the memory so short?"

      Judging by what is happening in the world, the memory really turned out to be short.

      the memory is not short! they are selective, here we play, we don’t play here, here we’re slammed with fish, we’ll skip it ... request
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 09: 23
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        they are selective, here we play, we don’t play here, here we’re slammed with fish, we miss it.


        It may be that the Americans are selective, because they did not feel all the "charms" of fascism on their own skin. And Japan, that "selectively" forgot who bombed its cities with atomic bombs, or did it have enough memory for exactly the number of generations who were participants and witnesses of those events ???
        "Those who do not remember their past are doomed to repeat it over and over again."
        Right now we are observing this.
  7. +3
    5 November 2014 08: 59
    Dear author of you +
    At the expense of zombies, there is also our omission. They spoiled the way, or didn’t want to see what was going on there. hi
    our Russian maybe?
    1. +2
      5 November 2014 09: 05
      Quote: Loner_53
      Dear author of you +
      At the expense of zombies, there is also our omission. They spoiled the way, or didn’t want to see what was going on there. hi
      our Russian maybe?

      By the way, yes! otherwise they didn’t see what was being cooked there? Waited for when it will be ready? well done! am
  8. +4
    5 November 2014 08: 59
    Thanks, Author! Of course, you are right, but how can Russia invade Ukraine?
    I think that the Russian Soul will win, but how - the next generation will know it))
  9. +7
    5 November 2014 09: 00
    The recent elections in Ukraine show that most of the population is not zombied, but intimidated. To organize such a number of people is simply impossible (by definition): try to assemble a meeting of residents in your own entrance from 50-60 apartments. Any Maidan needs organizers, leaders and support. This does not happen at once, it is a tedious and painstaking work. Now even the mass sabotage of everything in a row that is being undertaken by the authorities will not help (so far they have in their hands punitive opportunities). We, with our help, are aggressors with imperial manners, so our help is to those who ask for it themselves. In reality, only the volunteer army of NOVorossia can now intervene, taking advantage of an unclear position - and the people there are local - Ukrainian and are no longer subordinate to the government of this very outskirts. And we - to help this army in every way.
  10. 0
    5 November 2014 09: 01
    Perhaps, it is necessary not only to think about your stomach, but also to think about your soul? For all sooner or later have to pay.

    In this part, I agree with the author. Sooner or later, but you have to pay for what you have done. And you must always think about the soul.
  11. +7
    5 November 2014 09: 01
    did not understand from the article: what does the author suggest? what he stated is a simple statement of the facts that we already know. what does it mean to betray the Ukrainians-to send troops and clean up everything to hell from the border-to the border? or "cure" these distraught people remotely, through the media? but then you must first destroy all Nazi mass media in Ukraine ... which again brings us back to the first option! request In general, the cry of the soul and no specific proposals. what
  12. +3
    5 November 2014 09: 03
    "This is a test for the worst sin - betrayal!"
    Betrayal, in my opinion, is an ambiguous concept ... And who actually was the first to embark on the path of betrayal ?! And, what is Russia supposed to do during this test so as not to be convicted of betrayal ?!
    1. +1
      5 November 2014 11: 13
      Well, yes, they are poor zombie, sick, unhappy, do not understand anything ----- and we are traitors in Russia !!?
  13. +2
    5 November 2014 09: 04
    Zombies are being carried out in them, and in other countries. "Mass media" are means of influencing the masses. If you want to have objective information, do not dwell on one source: looked at Russian sites, switched to Ukrainian ones, then looked at Anglo-Saxon ones. There is a sea of ​​news channels. It is necessary not to boil over and calmly analyze the information. And in what the author is right - it is a sin to sell the soul of the people for gas money. This is not why the guys died near Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, and now they are not dying for hydrocarbons at the Donetsk airport.
  14. +2
    5 November 2014 09: 05
    You can go the hard way, try to twist it, put on a straitjacket, inject a sedative and start long and difficult to treat it. And you can close the room alone with yourself and a piece of glass, hoping that "it will resolve itself somehow."

    Everything seems to be correct, but here's the trouble: the "family member" who had gone completely crazy yesterday had persistently argued to the "family" twenty years earlier that he was not a relative of her, that he hated and despised this very "family".
    And the "family" endured, fed, helped. But now the "psycho" has become really dangerous. Therefore, from the point of view of the present moment, the option "leave in the room" does not seem so wrong.
    And the "family" also read about Taras Bulba and his sons at one time. And he knows one more way how to deal with a "family member" who has gone crazy ...
  15. 0
    5 November 2014 09: 08
    To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving her under the Nazis-is the path of evil. It means switching to NOT THAT side of the story, selling your soul for 47 US dollars.

    The author of the article ascertains the facts that the people of Ukraine are zombied and opposed to the Russian People, that they cannot be abandoned, betrayed, but dear author, where are your specific suggestions on how to save the people who hate you to the point of insanity, it seems to me that such a people can not be saved but if a respected author wishes to try to bring light, good in the hearts of dill, he and the flag in his hands.
  16. +10
    5 November 2014 09: 12
    I carefully read the article. Usually, plus or minus does not cause any particular problems. And here ... Everything seems to be right, everything seems to be on the case and the movie is well-built. I looked with pleasure (to the author a separate plus), but ...
    If everything is so simple, if people are not to blame, if these towers are to blame, then what about the partisans? What about those who live in Ukraine but don’t skip? How to deal with Ukrainians and not dill?
    We really are now checking for lice ... Someone, like Banshee, for example, tears his veins to help militias. Someone, having left a peaceful life in his hometown, makes his way to New Russia, takes a machine gun and stands at the forefront. It is even then when there is only one left ... And someone who was considered an idol, who urged not to bend under a changing world, someone who swore love for the Motherland from TV screens, who fed in Russia, showed their petty soul as a traitor ...
    I set it minus. I do not believe that Karbyshev, Musa Jalil and hundreds of thousands of Soviet people died in the Second World War just because they were not offered to be a bastard ... I do not believe that the militants die because the Colorado are stupid ... No, Dear author, you can zombie a person, but you can not zombify a people.
    1. +1
      5 November 2014 10: 26
      Quote: domokl
      but you can’t zombify the people.

      It works with a TV, and not only with it, if there is a single source of information, then you can submit any information
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 13: 25
        Quote: saag
        if there is a single source of information, you can submit any information

        The fact of the matter is that there are always many sources of information, but we, because of laziness, prefer readily available ones. Although it is clear that the information excavated and cleared independently is much more truthful and valuable, but too lazy to move your brains.
        When there is a contradiction (it’s like a signal) you need not to be lazy and dig deeper.

        Here, the zombies of Ukrainians can be seen in full view. But what percentage of us began to think that, in essence, on a different level, we are also being zombified? And how many of us started digging information not on the topic of the latest TV news, but conducting our own investigation on any other topic? With the expansion of the possibility of zombies, the possibilities of independent growth also expand.
  17. +7
    5 November 2014 09: 13
    Eh heh, Orthodox :))
    Zombies are a consequence.
    The soul belongs to man, only no one knows the price of man.
    A nation not capable of a bright idea will always absorb all shit.
    It didn’t happen now.
    Remember, the Orthodox proverb: "I will not eat so much" ("When the crest was born, the Jew began to cry."
    Remember Shevchenko, his attempt to somehow reason with his fellow tribesmen.
    So everything is predictable.
    And just now, only the beginning is happening.
  18. +1
    5 November 2014 09: 14
    The fact that the vast majority of the population of Ukraine has blown away is obvious. A lot of examples of how they began to hate their relatives living in Russia with fierce hatred. The behavior of rabid dogs - flowers in comparison with the behavior of punishers, far superior in their cruelty to the Nazis. Mercy should be shown to the victims, and not to the executioners, who kill not only the body, but also the soul.
  19. +2
    5 November 2014 09: 14
    Even in the days of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians said that they were feeding the whole country, they ate all the fat. It may very well be that the so-called binaural stereo waves are used on Ukrainian TV and radio, which affect the brain activity of the population. The fact that the Ukrainian media process their population only with certain information, banning Russian channels, is not a secret for anyone, "water wears away a stone."
  20. +3
    5 November 2014 09: 16
    According to open data, in 2013 gas was exported to countries of the far and near abroad (excluding Belarus and Kazakhstan) in the amount of $ 67,232 billion.

    On a calculator, I divided this amount into 143 million people in Russia. It turned out about 47 US dollars for each.

    Sorry, but I ended the mehmat ... The author made a mistake by an order of magnitude - that is, 10 times ... When dividing, it turns out 470 ... It is easy to check by multiplication ...
    But this is perhaps the only thing I disagree with in this article drinks
    PS. And for the video - a special gratitude ... Alas, it looks like it is
  21. 0
    5 November 2014 09: 17
    In Ukraine, as something else with the Poles, they allowed a church schism. It turned out a ruin, i.e. The troubles that ended after the inhabitants of Little Russia returned to Orthodoxy. Now, too, a split, Filaret, Uniates and Prezik babtist
    ... And about. True, yes, what's the difference analogy.
  22. +1
    5 November 2014 09: 18
    Yeah recourse ... Cutting from the film and the chronicle is not broken. This is one movie. I don’t presume to judge about the 25th frame, but the work of "fooling" has been done enormous. As Avicenna said, a disease is treated with medicine for the same amount of time as a person was sick. Or "surgery" ... Through the "dark room", hunger and cold. But there is a real danger of getting Russia to blame, because the mentality of the "farmer", and all of Ukraine - a farm with industrial enclaves, will not allow themselves to be considered guilty.

    And with Gazprom, the author is rather right. Business compromise against the background of Russia's tasks is like a betrayal. After all, Gazprom is a national treasure, and it should work for Russia, and only then for the "shareholders". hi
  23. DPZ
    0
    5 November 2014 09: 18
    And you can close in a room alone with yourself and a piece of glass, hoping that "itself will be resolved somehow."
    the author calls for treatment, and I would prefer the second option: let himself cut himself with glass and die from blood loss. the more so the wait is not long left.
  24. Vancha
    +2
    5 November 2014 09: 21
    There is a third option - do not watch TV;)
    1. +4
      5 November 2014 09: 46
      There is a joke on this subject:
      Odessa. Bringing.
      Kipeshny, politically "advanced" old man wassat eagerly explains to the impressive seed seller that everything is gone, that Russia has attacked Ukraine am and that bloodthirsty Russians angry tomorrow will be in Odessa belay ...
      “What to do ?!” the old man wringes his hands in horror. request ...
      To which the merchant, quietly spitting husk, advises Yes :
      - But didn’t you try to turn off the TV and radio ?!
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      2. 0
        5 November 2014 16: 05
        Quote: MIV999
        - But didn’t you try to turn off the TV and radio ?!

        If you will, more ancient ...
        - Why are the trousers wrinkled?
        - I turned on the TV - there they show it! I turned on the radio - they say that! I'm already afraid to turn on the iron!
  25. 0
    5 November 2014 09: 27
    Dear author, how are you personally going to help that territory? Given that they themselves do not want this. And how are you going to poison them with their hatred for us, soaked in mother’s milk?
  26. +1
    5 November 2014 09: 28

    OUN UPA ACTIVITIES

    FROM DOCUMENTS OF THE NKVD-MGB OF THE USSR
    DECLARED IN 2008
    Writing graphics transferred unchanged

    HISTORY
    (from the message of the head of the 4th Directorate of the NKVD of the USSR Sudoplatov to the deputy head of the 3rd directorate of the NKVD of the USSR Ilyushin.
    December 5, 1942 No. 7 / s / 97)

    “The activity of Ukrainian nationalists in the Dnipropetrovsk and Poltava regions, which I had to deal with while still in the RSDLP / b during my work in the pre-revolutionary time, then during the struggle against Petliurism during the Civil War, and finally now, during the Great Patriotic War during my work on the instructions of the NKVD, I studied quite thoroughly, both as a result of personal contact with them, and on the basis of collected data from people close to Ukrainian nationalists.
    Their current traitorous activity has its historical past.
    Even before the October Revolution, in Dnepropetrovsk and in the villages of the Dnepropetrovsk region ... there were "enlightenments" who were the guides of nationalist ideas and around whom Ukrainian youth grouped, who fell under the "ideological" leadership of ardent nationalists ...
    During the civil war, these villages were the centers of the Petliura movement; Petliura units were formed there; in the city of Dnepropetrovsk a corps was formed and in the village of Kozelshchina 2 divisions were formed.
    After the defeat of Petliurism ... active Petliurists went deep underground and only in 1921 were legalized, entered the UKP and used legal opportunities to intensify nationalist work ...
    These persons with the advent of the German occupiers in Ukraine were in the service of the Germans. " TSA FSB of Russia. f. 100, op.11, d.7, l. 60-66

    (from the Protocol of interrogation of Kutkovets Ivan Tikhonovich. February 1, 1944)

    And then what exactly zombie technologies were used? No.
  27. lom
    +1
    5 November 2014 09: 30
    good day to everyone --- May the opinion about Ukraine and Novorossiya ---- Ukraine lay down under the states became a friend of our enemy - brothers brothers - for me this is a snot the main safety of my country of Russia the Yankees started to move piles of biza to our border and slave Slavic half of the plan they succeeded ---- vital for Russia is vitally important Russia is the buffer area of ​​Russia's security - I know the West will not stop the dollar already 43-45 rubles and not only speculators are profiting and there is an undermining of the Russian economy from behind the hill ---- - the war is on the verge of getting ready for food I keep a constant set of products; cereal sugar storage for a month I will buy medical supplies
  28. +1
    5 November 2014 09: 31
    The technology is well-known .. Here is tsezor.net (brains))) There the main headline is catchy like "Russia invaded Ukraine, they rape and kill peaceful damned ..." briefly under the article someone heard somewhere ... hundreds of comments of the same short and again the article "The USA and the EU are allocating a huge loan to fight Russia ..." and again hundreds of short comments ... I read for a week and also began to write "Glory to Ukraine" (jokingly) ... bully And also on TV channels hundreds of corpses (they burn and bomb themselves) ... This is how they lived for 23 years ... Russia suffered, but now we will have to pay the bills, including with blood .. hi
  29. +3
    5 November 2014 09: 31
    Crap all about zombie 25 overs. Due to being directly in the broadcast zone, every day I have the opportunity to watch their channels. When viewing nothing but laughter and perhaps spitting it does not cause. Total lie times Russophobia. At the same time, a war of wars, and I want to eat, and here comes the contradiction. The neighbor should not have to give, and if he doesn’t give, then the damned occupant and Moskva.l. and the people simply died because of mass propaganda. Moreover, the films are in Russian. In general, not everything is so simple. But the fact that there is no 25 frame for sure.
    1. lichide
      +2
      5 November 2014 10: 36
      I don’t want to offend you "Wild", but when analyzing your text, I identified the signs to which Stirlitz drew our attention. "The last phrase is remembered" You started your story with 25 frames and ended with 25 frames. Didactics damn it! In addition, 9 of your 4 sentences begin with the letter "P". (peace, really, believe me). Here it is zombie! And without any 25 frames! Good luck
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 22: 34
        Quote: Lahideus
        I don’t want to offend you "Wild", but when analyzing your text, I identified the signs to which Stirlitz drew our attention. "The last phrase is remembered" You started your story with 25 frames and ended with 25 frames. Didactics damn it! In addition, 9 of your 4 sentences begin with the letter "P". (peace, really, believe me). Here it is zombie! And without any 25 frames! Good luck

        Thank you for your service! For "Wild" have already left.
  30. +1
    5 November 2014 09: 40
    To betray, not to betray, not a question. Is our help needed? Until now, in response to Ukraine’s help, only spit came and gas demands for a freebie. And as for zombies: the tip is not very zombified, its interests are clearly seen, the population of older, too, can not be called zombie.
    here is youth, another conversation. What is Ukrainian, what is ours,
    In different forums on the Internet you can’t distinguish Russians from Ukrainians (if you remove words like; Raska-Ukrashka). The slop bark and pour the same way, the same intolerance to other views.
    Is it not better for us to first cure our souls, and only then, after a little hesitation, go to teach others.
  31. lichide
    0
    5 November 2014 09: 42
    Well, immediately betrayal! And this is not a betrayal at all, just such a nature! We bears live in a beautifully beautiful forest. We have everything - and the forest is rich, and the rivers are clean with fish and, raspberry rolls! We ourselves do not touch anyone, so sometimes we mutter for fear. We love to lie on the couch on the couch, raspberry is a clear thing to indulge in, but in order to go to the neighboring forests, we don’t have such a habit. But then they often run to us. A flock of foxes, then wolves, then jackals. Of course, we’re tearing them, letting them go, but they don’t get smarter. And ours are not all with the king in his head. There is, there is one teddy bear in the family! Oh, and loves to devour for free! And no matter what, the main thing is a little more schaub. Well, ento is excusable, with whom it does not happen. But here is another. With the baby's head is not very at odds. As the wolves or jackals rush, so every time he runs to them and runs across, yeah! It rushes there with wolves, fights, and as we pile on it, we drive the wolves away with jackals, then the bear as if nothing had happened again to us and immediately to the feeding trough. The elder was already bobbing him, and he’d starved him without eating, and then he killed us all, but didn’t do anything. And so we live in our forest. One piece of news - a lot of rats have bred in the forest and are dragging whatever they get, and they are incredibly dirty. We told the elder that they say it’s not hygienic, it became dirty in the forest, we need rats, that! Huh? The elder thinks for now! Okay, Pokedova! I’ll go look like jackals pave a dam on a river, they want to block the water for us, well, like children, honestly! The river will freeze so soon, and in spring this dam will flood into the flood, with water, then Thomas will wash it off ...
  32. kompotnenado
    +3
    5 November 2014 09: 53
    The author is not at all in the subject. And he does not understand what is happening. If the Russian army enters Kiev, the "liberated" will shoot in the back for many years to come. Zombified, not zombified, everyone has their own head on their shoulders. And most of the territory is completely empty. We don't need such creatures.
    1. lichide
      0
      5 November 2014 10: 24
      Many of us do not understand what is happening. When in the bazaar crowd they push you, shout in your ear, step on your feet, you may not understand whether they’re crawling into your pocket or you’re in someone else’s!
  33. +2
    5 November 2014 09: 55
    The article is an extremely cheap attempt at that very zombie about which the author writes so much.

    "To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving it under the Nazis is the path of Evil." - well, yes, well, yes .. and so they are all white and fluffy, and just waiting for all of us to come to their aid ..

    They came to the rescue. "Refugees" (and among them there are healthy men, incidentally ..). They pay "minimum" (hey .. I would live on 800 rubles a day - yes, easy .. in the absence of the need to pay a communal apartment and despite the fact that after all - but still provide you with grub). So, according to verified rumors, there are many of those who still have "Russia to blame."

    And this is a diagnosis, gentlemen, comrades.

    Article minus, the author - to kill against the wall.
  34. 0
    5 November 2014 10: 03
    Quote: kompotnenado
    The author is not at all in the subject. And he does not understand what is happening. If the Russian army enters Kiev, the "liberated" will shoot in the back for many years to come. Zombified, not zombified, everyone has their own head on their shoulders. And most of the territory is completely empty. We don't need such creatures.


    the army of Novorossia can enter Kiev with some implicit support from the northerners
  35. 0
    5 November 2014 10: 05
    Looks like the Russians have developed immunity for "psychotropic weapons" long ago.
  36. +1
    5 November 2014 10: 13
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving her under the Nazis-is the path of evil. It means switching to NOT THAT side of the story, selling your soul for 47 US dollars.

    The author of the article ascertains the facts that the people of Ukraine are zombied and opposed to the Russian People, that they cannot be abandoned, betrayed, but dear author, where are your specific suggestions on how to save the people who hate you to the point of insanity, it seems to me that such a people can not be saved but if a respected author wishes to try to bring light, good in the hearts of dill, he and the flag in his hands.


    04.11.14. Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich.

    “The only option is before it's too late (until NATO is ready to send its troops to“ partner Pete ”to help) to crush the Ruin completely by military means, with the creation of“ Great Novorossia. ”This will require considerable hardships and, probably, mobilization. the power of many “old St. Petersburg liberal friends.” But it is better to endure hardships and achieve a decisive victory than to get all the same and end up “at the bottom of the trough” and with the prospect of repeating the path of Milosevic-Hussein-Gaddafi.
    Liberation and reunification. The restoration of what was taken away from us 23 years ago under the guise of completely false cries about "freedom" and "democracy."
    1. 0
      5 November 2014 10: 26
      Quote: divangeneral
      04.11.14. Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich.

      “The only option is before it's too late (until NATO is ready to send its troops to“ partner Pete ”to help) to crush the Ruin completely by military means, with the creation of“ Great Novorossia. ”This will require considerable hardships and, probably, mobilization. the power of many “old St. Petersburg liberal friends.” But it is better to endure hardships and achieve a decisive victory than to get all the same and end up “at the bottom of the trough” and with the prospect of repeating the path of Milosevic-Hussein-Gaddafi.
      Liberation and reunification. The restoration of what was taken away from us 23 years ago under the guise of completely false cries about "freedom" and "democracy."


      You know, always when someone offers quick fix for a long-standing problem - it personally causes me .. doubts stop

      Strelkov (with all due respect to him) is still not a politician, not a strategist. He speaks of a decision that he sees and understands. Only.

      Ukraine now is such a tangle of problems, so many different interests of completely different forces are tied to it that a quick solution (a la "saber and horse and into the line of fire") it does not have.

      Now in Ukraine there is real dual power, elections in Kiev vs elections in Novorosia - by value .. are equivalent winked

      With the correct continuation of this chess game, the transition to the side of Novorossia of those (forces, territories ..) in Ukraine who still retained the ability to think will begin (may begin). Cold winter, budget cuts and other delights - this will inevitably help.

      And, it would seem, what does Putin have to do with it?

      That's something like that, IMHO
    2. 0
      5 November 2014 20: 31
      Whether from Strelkova this message ... Question, however.
  37. 0
    5 November 2014 10: 27
    "Creatures with weak brains are easy to control ..." "Star Wars" e.4.
  38. -1
    5 November 2014 10: 31
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: divangeneral
    04.11.14. Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich.

    “The only option is before it's too late (until NATO is ready to send its troops to“ partner Pete ”to help) to crush the Ruin completely by military means, with the creation of“ Great Novorossia. ”This will require considerable hardships and, probably, mobilization. the power of many “old St. Petersburg liberal friends.” But it is better to endure hardships and achieve a decisive victory than to get all the same and end up “at the bottom of the trough” and with the prospect of repeating the path of Milosevic-Hussein-Gaddafi.
    Liberation and reunification. The restoration of what was taken away from us 23 years ago under the guise of completely false cries about "freedom" and "democracy."


    You know, always when someone offers quick fix for a long-standing problem - it personally causes me .. doubts stop

    Strelkov (with all due respect to him) is still not a politician, not a strategist. He speaks of a decision that he sees and understands. Only.

    Ukraine now is such a tangle of problems, so many different interests of completely different forces are tied to it that a quick solution (a la "saber and horse and into the line of fire") it does not have.

    Now in Ukraine there is real dual power, elections in Kiev vs elections in Novorosia - by value .. are equivalent winked

    With the correct continuation of this chess game, the transition to the side of Novorossia of those (forces, territories ..) in Ukraine who still retained the ability to think will begin (may begin). Cold winter, budget cuts and other delights - this will inevitably help.

    And, it would seem, what does Putin have to do with it?

    That's something like that, IMHO


    it is fashionable now to say that the situation in Ukraine has no military solution. this is said by journalists and "experts".
    I personally support Strelka: unfortunately, the solution is only a military one.
    this is bad, but the rest of the options are even worse.
    1. +2
      5 November 2014 11: 00
      Quote: divangeneral
      this is said by journalists and "experts".


      And themselves - to whom, excuse me, are you ranked?

      Quote: divangeneral
      unfortunately only a military solution


      These are emotions .. read a little more about the problem - and this will go away from you, maybe lol Do not forget the following:

      - disloyal (at least) attitude of the majority in Ukraine to the "military solution" with the participation of Russia
      - NATO. No one has canceled it. They themselves will not climb, most likely, but they will try to spoil, as far as possible,
      - in Russia there are quite a lot of problems now .. to list? Gas exports to Europe are one of them. You can troll as much as you like on this topic, but this is an essential piece of the country's budget .. social programs, roads, well, hereinafter.

      To get involved in the war now is not to solve any of these problems. To aggravate - yes, lehko ..

      And, it would seem - for what? For the sake of saving proto-cucumbers? From ourselves, in fact ???

      IMHO nonsense.
  39. 3vs
    +3
    5 November 2014 10: 31
    Orthodox author proposes to move Russian troops to Kiev?
    Are they waiting for us with flowers?
    God made man free.
    And all zombies are powerless if God is in the soul of man.
    Everyone will answer for himself and his actions can not be blamed on others.
    Well, there is no God - everything is permitted!
    The Orthodox person is supposed to say a prayer for the admonition of the lost.
    But we are "Orthodox" - lazy, who are too lazy for five minutes in prayer to God
    ask for peace in New Russia and Little Russia.

    Of course, the easiest way out suggests itself - to send troops, take
    Kiev, introduce martial law on the territory of Little Russia, kill the odious "politicians"
    and "oligarchs" and hold a referendum in each region with whom they want to live further
    and run away.
    The question is how much blood will be shed ?!
  40. 0
    5 November 2014 10: 37
    In my opinion, it makes sense to let a little blood, for the entire 23-year history of independence, haven't we turned a shoulder to our brothers, we substituted, the fact is that a narrow circle used this help, a person in my opinion should appreciate the difference between the old Ukraine and the new.
    The economic problems of Ukraine devastation put everything in its place.
    Fascism that exists in Ukraine did not originate last year in November, but much earlier, it was necessary to think about 20 years ago, by the way, this movement also exists in Russia and we cannot deny it.
  41. 0
    5 November 2014 10: 45
    An old question about the relationship between romanticism and realism. Romanticism requires the expulsion of demons from Ukraine, and realism is forced to count grandmothers (including Gazprom ones). Lost in 23 years of total non-interference and inaction will now have to be returned with blood, sweat and deprivation. New Russia - to be, Ukraine - death and oblivion.
  42. +3
    5 November 2014 11: 02
    Quote: siberalt
    The same fact as zombies on Russian TV. Continuous hangouts of zvizduns, jokes below the belt, animated cartoons from there, dubious series, fucking advertisements, illiterate broadcasters, replacement of Russian speech, etc., you will not list all. But there are honest transfers. Therefore, in the heads of porridge.

    Plus! But! In Ukraine, everything is a bit wrong. NLP or other psychotechnologies are really applied there, I draw a conclusion by communicating with my relatives living in this unfortunate country.
    1. +1
      5 November 2014 13: 08
      Most likely complex: media, NLP, something like the 25th frame (adjusted for television), chemistry, maybe wave effects ...
  43. +1
    5 November 2014 11: 05

    Today, Ukraine is the greatest test for Russia and the Russians. This is a test for the worst sin - betrayal!


    Good article, I share many of your views. But you will forgive me, but it seems to me hard to betray the one who has already knowingly betrayed you.
    I am sure of only one thing, not all citizens of Ukraine, the Nazis and Bandera. And for them it is possible and necessary to fight. To extend a helping hand is a meaning only to those who reach for this hand. And if you hold out your hand and they are pouring into it. That is not help, but only food for hate.
    If I'm wrong about something, then correct me.
  44. +1
    5 November 2014 11: 22
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: divangeneral
    this is said by journalists and "experts".


    And themselves - to whom, excuse me, are you ranked?
    PERSONALLY I PERSONALIZE MYSELF TO CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE.
    DO YOU SEE ME FROM KENGURYAN

    Quote: divangeneral
    unfortunately only a military solution


    These are emotions .. read a little more about the problem - and this will go away from you, maybe lol Do not forget the following:

    - disloyal (at least) attitude of the majority in Ukraine to the "military solution" with the participation of Russia
    - NATO. No one has canceled it. They themselves will not climb, most likely, but they will try to spoil, as far as possible,
    - in Russia there are quite a lot of problems now .. to list? Gas exports to Europe are one of them. You can troll as much as you like on this topic, but this is an essential piece of the country's budget .. social programs, roads, well, hereinafter.
    PERSONALLY I AM EXTREMELY ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THE SITUATION AND OWNER Surely not worse than YOU.
    ON MY PERSONAL LOOK, TO SOLVE A STRONG QUESTION IN UKRAINE SHOULD NOT NOT RUSSIA, AND NOVOROSSIA.
    ABOUT GAS EXPORT: A PROBLEM THAT IN UKRAINE AND ITS OWNER - USA. If Novorossia solves the problem with the Nazis and takes out the Amer from Kiev, then there will be no problem. And EUROPE WILL NOT REFUSE GAS.
    SO DON'T NEED THE DEMAGOGY OF YOUR KENGURYAN

    To get involved in the war now is not to solve any of these problems. To aggravate - yes, lehko ..

    IT IS POSSIBLE TO SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS OF RUSSIA, NOVOROSSIA AND UKRAINE BY THE HANDS OF NEW RUSSIA: STRENGTHLY RELEASE THE BIG NOVOROSSIA AND EVEN KIEV, PERFORM A CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM FOR CONVERSION TO CONFEDERATION. REQUEST RECOGNITION OF THE CRIMINAL RESIDENT'S RIGHT FOR SELF-DETERMINATION = MEAN LEGALIZING IT AND REMOVING THE SANCTIONS REASON.
    IN CONFEDERATION FORM, EACH OF THE PARTICIPANT COUNTRIES HAS THE RIGHT TO EXIT. Either NOVOROSSIA MAY EXIT UKRAINE, LEGALLY. OR YOU CAN PUT OUT THE DOOR OF GALICHNY TOGETHER WITH THE NATIONS.
    THAT'S ALL.


    And, it would seem - for what? For the sake of saving proto-cucumbers? From ourselves, in fact ???

    IMHO nonsense.

    YES, FOR RESCUE FROM YOURSELF.
    And ABOUT THE ARTICLE, LIKE ON THE CASE YOU UNDERSTAND, WHY YOUR SOUL.
    1. +1
      5 November 2014 11: 41
      I repeat, I guess: you have emotions of that .. scale .. and the caps fuse for some reason.

      In fact :
      Quote: divangeneral
      IT IS POSSIBLE TO SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS OF RUSSIA, NEW RUSSIA AND UKRAINE BY THE HANDS OF NEW RUSSIA: STRENGTH TO RELEASE THE GREAT NEW RUSSIA AND EVEN KIEV,

      -You know, my friends in Zaporozhye and Kharkov will be very unhappy if they are домой someone will come to fight (while they are not Nazis and not dill, believe me, please) .. well, try on the situation for yourself, in the end - they came to "liberate" your city .. no food, water, heat. But there is a mess and it is not clear who has a lot of weapons - do you need it ??

      Quote: divangeneral
      PERSONALLY I PERSONALIZE MYSELF TO CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE.
      DO YOU SEE ME FROM KENGURYAN

      - creative intelligentsia - it’s so different winked
      - when it seems - we are baptized .. I didn’t call you names

      Something like that, yes.
  45. 0
    5 November 2014 11: 45
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    I repeat, I guess: you have emotions of that .. scale .. and the caps fuse for some reason.

    In fact :
    Quote: divangeneral
    IT IS POSSIBLE TO SOLVE ALL PROBLEMS OF RUSSIA, NEW RUSSIA AND UKRAINE BY THE HANDS OF NEW RUSSIA: STRENGTH TO RELEASE THE GREAT NEW RUSSIA AND EVEN KIEV,

    -You know, my friends in Zaporozhye and Kharkov will be very unhappy if they are домой someone will come to fight (while they are not Nazis and not dill, believe me, please) .. well, try on the situation for yourself, in the end - they came to "liberate" your city .. no food, water, heat. But there is a mess and it is not clear who has a lot of weapons - do you need it ??

    Quote: divangeneral
    PERSONALLY I PERSONALIZE MYSELF TO CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE.
    DO YOU SEE ME FROM KENGURYAN

    - creative intelligentsia - it’s so different winked
    - when it seems - we are baptized .. I didn’t call you names

    Something like that, yes.


    if in essence: about your "friends". if their hut is on the edge, like the majority of the population of Ukraine, let them sit and do not act. will still accept the order that the winners will establish.
    about the mess and weapons, hunger and cold: if everything is done correctly, then the APU can be rolled out in the Donbas and there will be no one to destroy these cities in Zaporozhye and Kharkov.
    about the irony over the intelligentsia: as I understand it, you do not rank yourself among it? :-)
    I understand that you are a professional demagogue from the Surkov's nest. well, or not professional, and so, "amateur"
    1. 0
      5 November 2014 12: 06
      Quote: divangeneral
      if their hut is on the edge, like the majority of the population of Ukraine

      - gold words! Exactly. Only acquaintances also have children in their arms and pets wink And that war about which you crucify here threatens them, and not you. And I understand them. Better than you. lol

      Quote: divangeneral
      if everything is done correctly, then the APU can be rolled out in the Donbass and there will be no one to destroy these cities in Zaporozhye and Kharkov

      - nonsense, sorry. I will not even comment. From the "sofa general"

      Quote: divangeneral
      about the irony over the intelligentsia: as I understand it, you do not rank yourself among it? :-)

      - and where is the irony? Statement of fact, no more. If you are so interested - I do not belong to the creative intelligentsia .. we techies, somehow)

      Quote: divangeneral
      I understand that you are a professional demagogue from the Surkov's nest. well, or not professional, and so, "amateur"

      - you don’t see the drummer? Do not be sad, everything is still ahead))))
  46. 0
    5 November 2014 11: 46
    Today, Ukraine is the greatest test for Russia and the Russians. This is a test for the worst sin - betrayal!

    It's right! Do not add good
  47. 0
    5 November 2014 11: 53
    How much does a soul cost?

    I answer - it costs exactly as much as they are willing to pay for it after all its activities. The Western soul is not worth a penny, for no one is going to pay for it in any form, and for 6 months it has proved.
  48. +1
    5 November 2014 11: 59
    Quote: IAlex
    How much does a soul cost?

    I answer - it costs exactly as much as they are willing to pay for it after all its activities. The Western soul is not worth a penny, for no one is going to pay for it in any form, and for 6 months it has proved.


    the soul costs exactly as much as it is ready to sell for.
    or not to sell, and then it is not for sale. like Strelkova and other volunteers.
    1. +2
      5 November 2014 12: 11
      If you are ready to sell it, then it’s not worth the damn thing because for you it has no value, because you don’t need it, and others don’t particularly need it because you still have it ...
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  49. +2
    5 November 2014 12: 07
    About Ukrainians we can say this:
    - It’s easy to zombie me, I’m glad to be zombied myself.
  50. -2
    5 November 2014 12: 07
    Quote: wks
    Prolonged viewing of Ukrainian TV channels made me feel that I am against the "Ukrainian people" and that I am a terrorist. For a convinced person like me, this is simply not normal. Direct impact was used. I do not know what specific technology was used - either a specially constructed text, or the 25th frame, but what it was is unambiguous. And not only I felt this impact. Many militias, if they watched Ukrainian television for a long time, lost their motivation to fight. "
    The 25th frame is a newspaper duck. 70% of people are susceptible to suggestion and can be easily hypnotized. Maybe the author's "conviction" is explained precisely by the fact that he belongs to these 70%.


    are you Strelkova attributed to these 70% percent?
    well ..
  51. 0
    5 November 2014 12: 21
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: divangeneral
    if their hut is on the edge, like the majority of the population of Ukraine

    - gold words! Exactly. Only acquaintances also have children in their arms and pets wink And that war about which you crucify here threatens them, and not you. And I understand them. Better than you. lol

    Quote: divangeneral
    if everything is done correctly, then the APU can be rolled out in the Donbass and there will be no one to destroy these cities in Zaporozhye and Kharkov

    - nonsense, sorry. I will not even comment. From the "sofa general"

    Quote: divangeneral
    about the irony over the intelligentsia: as I understand it, you do not rank yourself among it? :-)

    - and where is the irony? Statement of fact, no more. If you are so interested - I do not belong to the creative intelligentsia .. we techies, somehow)

    Quote: divangeneral
    I understand that you are a professional demagogue from the Surkov's nest. well, or not professional, and so, "amateur"

    - you don’t see the drummer? Do not be sad, everything is still ahead))))


    ok, everyone has spoken, everyone has their own opinion. why drive from empty to empty. Where is nonsense and where is not nonsense, time will judge.
    I don’t talk about the war, I support the point of view of I.I. Strelkov, who believes that she is the best of the worst decisions.
    As for your friends THERE, I also have relatives and friends THERE. so I understand a lot at least as well as you, and possibly better.
    your arguments are not convincing to me.
    The country also needs technicians.
    the drums don't appear.
    good luck.
  52. 0
    5 November 2014 12: 23
    Quote: IAlex
    If you are ready to sell it, then it’s not worth the damn thing because for you it has no value, because you don’t need it, and others don’t particularly need it because you still have it ...


    Are you talking to me?
    if so, then in vain.
  53. 0
    5 November 2014 12: 30
    The concept of zombies is for the weak. No one is zombifying anyone. The situation is developing according to its own laws of social development. And those who are influenced by the disorganization of guidelines. People do not know how to work with volumes of contradictory information and begin to associate it with the most primitive concepts. Those who disseminate information themselves become disoriented in the vacuum of their propaganda. In general, there are very few people in nature who are able to think in terms of their opponent.
  54. 0
    5 November 2014 12: 31
    Quote: gridasov
    The concept of zombies is for the weak. No one is zombifying anyone. The situation is developing according to its own laws of social development. And those who are influenced by the disorganization of guidelines. People do not know how to work with volumes of contradictory information and begin to associate it with the most primitive concepts. Those who disseminate information themselves become disoriented in the vacuum of their propaganda. In general, there are very few people in nature who are able to think in terms of their opponent.


    Isn’t this zombieification: the same disorganization of the thinking process?
  55. +1
    5 November 2014 12: 50
    It’s bad when hucksters are at the helm of a country. And if the hucksters are together with fools and traitors, the country will soon be in ruins. Not only have they made concessions in foreign policy, but there’s a complete mess in domestic policy. Read the opinions of experts, but not pro-government ones, and ours. They want to bring the price of gasoline up to 50 rubles. Is this also a “cunning strategy”? In one fell swoop, all small businesses and agricultural enterprises will be closed. Does the president really not see anything, and if he does, then what? Or what should we call it?
  56. Madnesz
    0
    5 November 2014 13: 20
    Ukrainians are still a strong people. But you can’t knock out a strong person’s way of thinking by force. We need them to understand themselves, then we can help. And if you intervene earlier, it definitely won’t be better.
  57. 0
    5 November 2014 14: 29
    So I still don’t understand. Is it me, the Russian, who is a traitor? But what about the Vukra who burn and destroy churches, who are they?
  58. -1
    5 November 2014 14: 35
    Quote: Volka
    zombie the population of Ukraine by the media is a fact ...

    oh, it’s just that the Ukrainians are our enemies, and not brothers at all. Dad served in the army during the deep Soviet years of 1968-1970, they had a lot of crests in the regiment, they still spit on them. He says that their meanness, love for freebies, and lies cannot be compared with anything. All the time they are apparently sharpened by envy of the Great Russians; in Russian, in a village in the Kyiv region (in Kyiv itself it’s normal) - even in the 70s to talk - they will definitely beat you up. Creatures, and that’s all. All 23 years they sucked us out of loans at low rates, equipment for free, cheap gas and oil, for which payments were constantly delayed. Crimea was given to them by the dog Khrushchev, so they weren’t just grateful - they staged an intensified aggressive ukroinization there, and no one gave them Sevastopol at all - they just brazenly, taking advantage of the shit of the drunkard Yeltsin, grabbed it and that’s it. The NITKA complex was rented out to Russia for exorbitant amounts of money - it got to the point that we were forced to build a similar one in our Krasnodar region. The Black Fleet was not allowed to develop in any way, all the time there was a spoke in its wheels. They began to “get” their fleet purely through the blatant robbery of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet (they stole ships to Odessa!) What kind of brothers are these??? Let them die, creatures! Their whole European integration - due to their meanness and love for freebies (with their degeneratism), they expected that they would be received there with open arms and a salary of 5 thousand euros would be given right away. Moreover, if all this is under Bandera flags, then it doesn’t matter, what difference does it make!!! Bandera is just Bandera, as long as everything is free. And the foolish Russian with his putler will give gas. That's how we'll live. They have never been our brothers, they are vile and vile enemies, we need to go to Kyiv, but not at all to free them. Enough, they liberated Europe - where is the gratitude? Where is the memory? You have to go from Kyiv to Lvov simply because there are enemies there and they need to be defeated.
  59. Bormental
    0
    5 November 2014 14: 42
    Fuck such a neighbor, because with such a neighbor there is no need for a distant one. Well, those who wish can substitute other parts of the body. Only in person.
  60. -1
    5 November 2014 15: 17
    In 1939 they also thought that everything had been agreed upon. In 1941, a war began that brought countless casualties and destruction. Is memory really that short?
    Who thought? Since April of this year. this topic has already been on VO. And the less excited (or more thoughtful) conference participants noted that the IVS in 1939 had ALL the countries of the world against the USSR (except Mongolia, which changes little). Who are you trying to make a fool of here? And your arithmetic about $47 is from the same opera. No need to overdo it. By closing the faucet, the country will become like Ukraine. And nothing more - he won’t be able to win anything.
  61. 0
    5 November 2014 16: 31
    And all because of the fact that all sorts of moral people are getting into power, who want to steer, play, show off, eat, drink, grab, and if anything, get out of “this” country and from this “electorate”. Politicians, deputies and high bureaucrats, by and large, don’t give a damn about ordinary people, about the economy, about the country, etc. The main thing is to make yourself beautiful and rich. And it doesn’t matter what people use to rinse their brains with communism, fascism, anti-Semitism or Russophobia. The main thing is everything in action, such as building a bright future, seizing living space or fighting the enemies of a single outskirts.
    It’s time to legislate that only accomplished people can get into power, residents of a country with 20-30 years of citizenship and only this one country, who have property on the territory of this country, savings only in the banks of this country, whose children study and live in this country. To which there were no complaints from various law enforcement agencies. It is desirable that he also be a manager or director with experience, and it is also desirable that he starts as a worker, at least for 2-3 years, and not as a director under his father’s wing. And after his work, this official must live in this country; if he dumps it over the hill, all property is confiscated and no pensions or other payments are given. Then something will be better, they will think about the people and themselves and about the younger generation, God forbid drug addicts or drunks. And spice will be banned in one fell swoop, abortions will be banned, and they will campaign for a healthy lifestyle in schools and universities, and good films and cartoons will begin to be shown on the box, and they will begin to care about the health of the people, and they will take on the economy, they will immediately build factories and factories, and they will groom and cherish the army. And with whom from neighboring countries to be friends and trade, how can people make sure that there are no Maidans, so that these officials or their children are not thrown into the ground.
    And so, now all this is democracy, this is bullshit, bawlery and populism (we will provide you with such a bright future, if anything falls on the rails, we will give compensation, European salaries, golden toilets, a man for every woman, etc. .), came, steered, grabbed some money and left the country and to hell with it and the people.
    What can be seen from the example of Ukraine, who is in power there? Some are moral monsters.
  62. +1
    5 November 2014 16: 38
    Quote: wks
    Prolonged viewing of Ukrainian TV channels made me feel that I am against the "Ukrainian people" and that I am a terrorist. For a convinced person like me, this is simply not normal. Direct impact was used. I do not know what specific technology was used - either a specially constructed text, or the 25th frame, but what it was is unambiguous. And not only I felt this impact. Many militias, if they watched Ukrainian television for a long time, lost their motivation to fight. "
    The 25th frame is a newspaper duck. 70% of people are susceptible to suggestion and can be easily hypnotized. Maybe the author's "conviction" is explained precisely by the fact that he belongs to these 70%.

    ++++++++ Unfortunately, we have the same picture. For the most part, we are very suggestible. This is what technologies are built on.
  63. 0
    5 November 2014 16: 40
    Quote: wks
    Prolonged viewing of Ukrainian TV channels made me feel that I am against the "Ukrainian people" and that I am a terrorist. For a convinced person like me, this is simply not normal. Direct impact was used. I do not know what specific technology was used - either a specially constructed text, or the 25th frame, but what it was is unambiguous. And not only I felt this impact. Many militias, if they watched Ukrainian television for a long time, lost their motivation to fight. "
    The 25th frame is a newspaper duck. 70% of people are susceptible to suggestion and can be easily hypnotized. Maybe the author's "conviction" is explained precisely by the fact that he belongs to these 70%.


    Did you read from the newspapers that frame 25 is a duck?
    about the author’s conviction and his membership in the 70%: apparently, you didn’t even read the article. The above quote is the words of I, I, Strelkov, and not the author of the article.
    so why argue with you if you don’t even read the text to the end
  64. -1
    5 November 2014 16: 44
    Quote: Mahmut
    But it seems to me that the betrayal of ukrov began long before the use of psychotropic weapons to them. Here the author gave an example here from the history of 1939 and 1941 years. It’s not easier to give an example of 1945 year. For the sake of saving the world from the fascist plague, tens of millions of lives have been laid. The Nazis then destroyed. And fascism still lives and thrives. Because it is impossible to destroy ideology by force. Ideology is like a disease. She needs to be ill and develop immunity. Those who have not yet been infected should create an isolation ward for patients. He who does not die will be cured. And sacrifice their people, so that later they hang these hohlopitheks galloping around their necks. And then also listen to the theses about the endless and inexorable guilt of Russia before them. Oh well him in FIG.


    the problem is that fascism has persisted in Ukraine since 45 due to the fact that Ukraine included Galicia with Bandera’s ideology and its heroes.
    and the trouble for the Ukrainians is that in 1991 Galicia dragged them along with them from Russia and the Galicians brainwashed the youth for 23 years with fairy tales about ukrov and heroes like Bandera and Shukhevych.
    that now we are reaping everything together
    In order to “improve” Ukraine, it is necessary to separate Galicia from it in favor of the EU.
  65. 0
    5 November 2014 16: 45
    Quote: wks
    Quote: pies
    Who wanted to become a zombie he became one.

    You are mistaken. Zombies become one who is subject to external suggestion.


    Are you a zombie specialist? Where does such categorical judgment come from?
  66. 0
    5 November 2014 16: 53
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    So, let us take for granted that there is such an impact on the consciousness of the people of Ukraine.

    My friend, not all the same, the effect can be explained, or hypnosis, by mass psychosis.
    Here you are - a believer, an Orthodox person, you know that in the next world, when God asks for sins, for bad deeds in life, you will not be able to "pay off" referring to some kind of influence, demons, tempter, you will have to answer for what you have done, in full ...
    AS THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE, I WILL ANSWER YOU.
    WHY SHOULD I PERSONALLY JUSTIFY FOR THE IMPACT I HAVE ON THE RESIDENTS OF UKRAINE?
    THOSE WHO PROVIDE IT MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
    IF YOU ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT SUCH IMPACT EXISTS, THEN THERE IS NOTHING ESPECIAL TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ABOUT

    Some people, the personification of which is Strelkov, say that it is necessary to reach Kiev and destroy these conventional “towers”. It is a difficult path, it is a path of pain, suffering and deprivation, but it is a righteous path.

    Forgive me, but I don't see anything righteous in this. It is one thing to defend the Motherland, another thing to attack other people's territories, and teach them intelligence. They taught once, in 1941-45, are the Germans really grateful for that? or grateful to those who lived under the wing of the Warsaw Pact? Under the name of Salvation of "sinful" souls, Islam, and the crusades, and reconquest, and communism, and what ISIS is doing now, spread. When they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," they mean just that. Before bringing goodness, you need to ask them, do they need it?
    DO YOU REALLY NEED TO BE GRATEFUL?
    THERE IS SUCH A THING AS NATIONAL INTERESTS. AND IT MUST BE DEFENDED BY ALL WAYS.
    IF TO ENSURE THE SECURITY OF RUSSIA YOU NEED TO REACH Kyiv, THEN YOU NEED TO REACH. FOR RUSSIA, RUSSIA'S INTERESTS SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN OTHERS' INTERESTS. IF RUSSIA'S INTERESTS CONFLICT SOMEONE'S INTERESTS, THEN THIS IS THEIR PROBLEM AS THEY SAY.



    What can you negotiate with the Nazis? In 1939, they also thought that they had agreed on everything. In 1941, a war began that brought innumerable sacrifices and destruction. Is memory really so short?

    the memory is long, they know that there is nothing to negotiate with the Nazis, and therefore they ask all 5 billions, they are tired of lending.

    DO YOU NEED TO ASK? WHEN SHOULD YOU DEMAND? AND IS IT NECESSARY TO MAKE ENDLESS CONGRESSIONS? GAS IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM ALL THERE

    Perhaps, it is necessary not only to think about your stomach, but also to think about your soul? For all sooner or later have to pay.

    That’s just about this, of course I understand that all the oil belongs to the people of Russia, at one time the oligarchs took their hands on them, as if their grandfather left them for personal use, but now a large share in the hands of the state, and it cares about people (I hope so), but then you have to pay debts ?!
    I don’t know how in Christianity, although there is no steal, but in Islam, the duty to live at someone else’s expense is a terrible sin. When a person dies, the mullah asks the audience: Did the deceased have debts? if they say - Yes, then the relatives are obligated to pay, otherwise, his soul will go straight to hell. Does the people of Ukraine have different views on life? don’t ... fool you will not live? I think not, so they should pay. This is just fair. Both from the side of religion, and from the side of earthly laws prescribed in the constitution, mutual agreements, and other pieces of paper. Therefore, Ukrainians should not think about their stomachs, but it’s better to pay debts and live honestly. Then perhaps the soul will go to heaven. As for sadak (alms), it is usually given to the have-nots, voluntarily, and the oligarchs in power in Kiev, judging by the cheeks, are not very poor. Moreover, we know that the USA and Europe supply them. But with this money they continue the war.


    THE USA DOES NOT GIVE UKRAINE MONEY FOR GAS, THEY ONLY GIVE FOR WAR.
    AND Kyiv SHOULD BE FORCED TO PAY DEBTS.
  67. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 01
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving her under the Nazis-is the path of evil. It means switching to NOT THAT side of the story, selling your soul for 47 US dollars.

    These words should be said to you right in the Verkhovna Rada, in Kiev, in the person of Poroshenko, Turchinov, Yatsenyuk ?! What do you want from the Russian people?

    UKRAINE IS DIFFERENT, THERE IS A WESTERN UKRAINE WITH WHICH WE ARE NOT ON THE PATH AT ALL, THERE IS NOVOROSSIYA WITH WHICH WE ARE MAXIMUM CLOSE, AND THERE IS A CENTRAL UKRAINE FOR WHICH WE NEED TO FIGHT.
    THE TROUBLE OF UKRAINE IS THAT FOR 23 YEARS IT WAS INFECTED BY THE WESTERN BANDERIAN IDEOLOGY THAT CAME FROM GALICIA. THEY, WITH THEIR FALSE HISTORY, MADE RUSSIAN YOUTH BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE Ukrainians.
    AND THE MAJORITY IN AUTHORITY NOW ARE FROM GALICIA. SHOULD I TELL THEM ABOUT THE LIBERATION OF THE RUSSIANS?
    YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO DO. WE NEED TO HELP NOVOROSSIYA TO DEFEAT Kyiv, TO CARRY OUT GOVERNMENT REFORM, SCHOOL EDUCATION REFORM, TO CONDUCT DENAZIFICATION.
    THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN HELP THE RUSSIANS.

    You really don’t understand who is moving the levers? Aren't those whom I named? For the sake of money, for the sake of revenge or some other bad purpose, they all this time, all 23 of the year, set the Ukrainian people against the Russians, against their own history and common culture with the Russians, for the sake of the European Union, a good life, and after that you blame what the Russians think about food? about the animal? You are just crazy! Tell me, are you from Ukraine? why I ask, your logic is somewhat different, so you talked about psychotropic weapons, I think you yourself fell under its influence.
    What did the Russian people do all 23 of the year? Survived! after betrayal in the Bialowieza Forest, the people were destitute, beaten up, if the national republics of the former Soviet Union were surrendered to themselves, then big Russia almost broke itself into small republics, and there was such a threat after the victory in the first Chechen bandits In other areas, they began to sow confusion, the crisis of the 98, the fall of the ruble, all the country's resources in the hands of the oligarchs, inflated prices, no social services, the army in collapse, the people in poverty, everything went to this, to the collapse of the country, to its fall into the abyss, with a point of no return. only a firm and powerful hand bestowed from above saved the thousand-year history of Russia from suicide. And now its restoration is taking place, and believe me, Russian people don’t need someone else’s problems, some kind of gains, revanchist sentiments as Americans put it, Putin would still have to master the taiga, and he is right! need to recover, to survive. There are only wolves around ... and the jackal is shallow. Putin does not need us to tell someone else, and he is right again, but he won’t give up his bear, that’s fair. So the Russian people, as there were no affairs for others, are still gone, because they have enough of their own problems, bring the people together into a common idea, and build the future.
    And I wish the Ukrainian people to grow up, and MYSELF to get out of the problem and not look for those responsible for others. They managed to make the Maidan, and I think their freedom will also be recaptured from the villains in power.

    AUTHOR FROM RUSSIA, FROM THE URAL.
    HE WAS NOT UNDER ANY INFLUENCE.
    THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GROW UP AS WHILE THE WESTERNS, SUPPORTED BY THE USA, ARE IN POWER. THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE FACES ONLY DEGRADATION. IF NOVOROSSIA DOESN'T SAVE HIM
    ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY CAN WIN THEIR FREEDOM...
    MAIDAN WAS OVERVIEWED BY AMERICAN SPECIAL SERVICES. JUST LIKE THE ELECTION, WHEN THE BALLOTS WERE CAST IN FAVOR OF YATSENYUK. NO MAIDANS HAPPEN BY THEMSELVES. THEY ONLY HAPPEN WHEN SOMEONE SERIOUSLY ORGANIZES THEM. AND THE AMERICANS WILL NEVER ALLOW THE MAIDAN TO BE MADE AGAINST SEYU AND THEIR PROTEINS.
    HERE THERE IS ONLY A MILITARY SOLUTION TO THE ISSUES BY THE FORCES OF NOVOROSSIYA.
  68. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 05
    Quote: 3vs
    Orthodox author proposes to move Russian troops to Kiev?
    Are they waiting for us with flowers?
    God made man free.
    And all zombies are powerless if God is in the soul of man.
    Everyone will answer for himself and his actions can not be blamed on others.
    Well, there is no God - everything is permitted!
    The Orthodox person is supposed to say a prayer for the admonition of the lost.
    But we are "Orthodox" - lazy, who are too lazy for five minutes in prayer to God
    ask for peace in New Russia and Little Russia.

    Of course, the easiest way out suggests itself - to send troops, take
    Kiev, introduce martial law on the territory of Little Russia, kill the odious "politicians"
    and "oligarchs" and hold a referendum in each region with whom they want to live further
    and run away.
    The question is how much blood will be shed ?!


    The troops of Novorossiya could reach Kyiv with the implicit support of a friendly country
  69. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 08
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The author got a little lost. On the one hand, gas, on the other Novorossiya. What to do ??? Block the gas and start a full-scale invasion, or something else ???
    And about the 25 frame, this bullshit has long been dispelled. If you watch news on TV every day, then a person will perceive reality as it is shown on TV. And without any frames.


    yes, something else.
    help the army of Novorossiya to take place and help it reach Kyiv.
    I wonder who and how dispelled the bullshit about frame 25? are you an expert in this matter? or do you take my word for it? to whom?
    Don’t you admit that these myth busters have gone over your ears in order to hide the real capabilities of the 25th frame?
  70. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 11
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    did not understand from the article: what does the author suggest? what he stated is a simple statement of the facts that we already know. what does it mean to betray the Ukrainians-to send troops and clean up everything to hell from the border-to the border? or "cure" these distraught people remotely, through the media? but then you must first destroy all Nazi mass media in Ukraine ... which again brings us back to the first option! request In general, the cry of the soul and no specific proposals. what


    The cry of the soul is not to allow the idea of ​​Greater Novorossiya and the denazification of the rest of Ukraine to be emasculated. Don’t let yourself get bogged down by talk about sanctions and gas contracts. there are things higher than this.
    what to do? Yes, everyone has long known: help the VSN reach Kyiv!
  71. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 13
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    To betray the people of Ukraine, leaving her under the Nazis-is the path of evil. It means switching to NOT THAT side of the story, selling your soul for 47 US dollars.

    The author of the article ascertains the facts that the people of Ukraine are zombied and opposed to the Russian People, that they cannot be abandoned, betrayed, but dear author, where are your specific suggestions on how to save the people who hate you to the point of insanity, it seems to me that such a people can not be saved but if a respected author wishes to try to bring light, good in the hearts of dill, he and the flag in his hands.


    I say in plain text: the RF Armed Forces must help the VSN take place (training, weapons, supplies) and reach Kyiv.
    that is, the VSN must reach Kyiv.
    that is, part of the Ukrainian people must help liberate another part of the Ukrainian people.
    is it really incomprehensible?
  72. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 16
    Quote: Petrix
    Quote: fomkin
    I served in Ukraine for several years — they have always been like that.

    The question is what to do about it? How to make them better?
    It is easy to say "they are to blame". But this disease will not stop and will come deeper into Russia until people learn to recognize the shortcomings in themselves and improve themselves.
    If people in Russia cannot understand how to cure Ukraine, Russia can be crushed in the same way.


    First you need physical liberation by military means
    then you need mental liberation: stop zombie propaganda, kick out the shusters, etc.
    carry out denazification, show trials of war criminals.
    carry out a reform of the education system, publicly expose the lies of Ukrainian false history through all channels.
    change the form of government to federal or confederal.
    ideally: to annex Galicia in favor of Poland.
  73. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 18
    Quote: iner

    Today, Ukraine is the greatest test for Russia and the Russians. This is a test for the worst sin - betrayal!


    Good article, I share many of your views. But you will forgive me, but it seems to me hard to betray the one who has already knowingly betrayed you.
    I am sure of only one thing, not all citizens of Ukraine, the Nazis and Bandera. And for them it is possible and necessary to fight. To extend a helping hand is a meaning only to those who reach for this hand. And if you hold out your hand and they are pouring into it. That is not help, but only food for hate.
    If I'm wrong about something, then correct me.


    If a person is mentally ill and his illness causes him to swear at you, will you turn away from him?
    or will you try to be understanding?
  74. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 21
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    Dear author, how are you personally going to help that territory? Given that they themselves do not want this. And how are you going to poison them with their hatred for us, soaked in mother’s milk?


    The author personally tried to formulate his attitude with this article
    Just as a citizen, the author hopes that his state, represented by the special services, will help the VSN liberate Kyiv from the Nazis.
    for this the author pays his taxes to the state
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    2. 0
      5 November 2014 17: 39
      Quote: azesm
      for this the author pays his taxes to the state

      A citizen pays taxes for the right to participate in the elections of the sole governing body (and the legislative body too). Nobody promised him anything more for his taxes. If he is dissatisfied with the use of paid taxes, he will vote for another candidate. ALL!
  75. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 22
    Quote: 3vs
    Orthodox author proposes to move Russian troops to Kiev?
    Are they waiting for us with flowers?
    God made man free.
    And all zombies are powerless if God is in the soul of man.
    Everyone will answer for himself and his actions can not be blamed on others.
    Well, there is no God - everything is permitted!
    The Orthodox person is supposed to say a prayer for the admonition of the lost.
    But we are "Orthodox" - lazy, who are too lazy for five minutes in prayer to God
    ask for peace in New Russia and Little Russia.

    Of course, the easiest way out suggests itself - to send troops, take
    Kiev, introduce martial law on the territory of Little Russia, kill the odious "politicians"
    and "oligarchs" and hold a referendum in each region with whom they want to live further
    and run away.
    The question is how much blood will be shed ?!


    and how much more blood will be shed if the VSN is not helped to liberate Kyiv?
    after all, the Nazis are not going to stop, and the United States will not allow them to do this.
    and blood is shed every day.
    we need to solve the root of the problem
  76. 0
    5 November 2014 17: 29
    Quote: 97110
    In 1939 they also thought that everything had been agreed upon. In 1941, a war began that brought countless casualties and destruction. Is memory really that short?
    Who thought? Since April of this year. this topic has already been on VO. And the less excited (or more thoughtful) conference participants noted that the IVS in 1939 had ALL the countries of the world against the USSR (except Mongolia, which changes little). Who are you trying to make a fool of here? And your arithmetic about $47 is from the same opera. No need to overdo it. By closing the faucet, the country will become like Ukraine. And nothing more - he won’t be able to win anything.


    Can you object to anything specifically? some argument that can be answered with the same argument?
    about the fact that someone wants to make a fool of someone: what are you talking about? By the way, this is what you are distorting.
    arithmetic about 47 dollars. I was corrected here, 470. but it doesn’t change the essence. it's a matter of principle.
    Of course, no one in real life divides these incomes among citizens using this formula.
    this is a purely moral formula.
    in real life, Russians basically don’t see this money.
    about the fact that by closing the faucet, the country will become like Ukraine: what are you talking about7
    firstly, the author did not suggest closing the faucet. The question is that you cannot sell your neighbor for the sake of contracts. but no one in the EU or Ukraine is going to give up gas. This is a matter of bargaining, from all sides.
    The question is that you can lose yourself through huckstering.
    1. 0
      5 November 2014 17: 58
      Quote: azesm
      Can you object to anything specifically? some argument that can be answered with the same argument?

      Yes, this is clear from my post. No one from the Soviet elite, either in 1939 or 1941, believed “that everything was agreed upon.” And I don’t know how to explain this to you - the arguments about preparing for war, carried out using the harshest methods and extreme tension of the entire country, are apparently not obvious to you, as follows from the questions asked. I believe that the author is trying to make Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin look like a fool. Moreover, it is completely safe. And even fashionable, especially in the West.
      Quote: azesm
      the author did not suggest closing the faucet. The question is that you cannot sell your neighbor for the sake of contracts. but no one in the EU or Ukraine is going to give up gas. this is a question of huckstering, from all sides. The question is that you can lose yourself through huckstering
      I read it differently. They said they sold for $47. Reaction to what was said. As for the real thing, where they don’t see this money. That means they don’t want to see it. I remember well how pensioners rummaged through trash cans. Here, where there are no swamps and only Psaki can see the mountains, major repairs are 1 km. Category 3 roads cost more than 10 million rubles. (without design and documentation). They don’t build roads in the country, don’t pay pensions, don’t feed the army?
  77. +1
    5 November 2014 19: 27
    “Today Ukraine is the greatest test for Russia and Russians. This is a test for the most terrible sin - betrayal!
    Leaving people under the rule of the Nazis, under the continuous influence of zombies, means betraying them. These are our people, even if they are crazy and have forgotten about it, among them there are many of our relatives and friends who have disowned us in anger."
    “Maybe you should think not only about your stomach, but also about your soul? You’ll have to pay for everything sooner or later.”

    What is the author calling for? Calls for some people to resolve the issues of other people who categorically do not want this. Motivation - we are Slavs.

    And if you look at how Christ behaved in earthly life and what He taught us:

    -There were many sick people on His way, but He did not heal all of them. And why?
    It's simple. He only helped those who believed Him and asked Him to help. He never did any good or evil to anyone by force. The human will is an inviolable value for Christ.

    -A neighbor, according to the teachings of Christ, is one who is nearby and helps the helpless.

    It is not possible to help Ukraine, they don’t need it. You yourself write that they renounced us in anger, i.e. they hate our help.

    In the LPR and DPR, assistance is being provided in a targeted manner.

    So why are you appealing to my conscience, to the conscience of the Russians?
  78. 0
    5 November 2014 19: 41
    Russian - there is no such nation. I am very surprised when this word is used. Maybe read a little history.
  79. 0
    5 November 2014 20: 56
    It’s a very convenient position, I understand it’s boiling over, but it’s good to reason when decisions are made for you (perhaps making a deal with their conscience), when my friend they go and kill, defending themselves, and you count how much those “bad” Ukrainian people were sold for, you bear it some kind of nonsense about zombification, there is no such thing there, the split of the country, the split of the people, that is the reason and only the people themselves must withstand, overcome and cleanse themselves, only by going this path themselves will there be victory and “recovery”
  80. 0
    5 November 2014 20: 56
    It’s a very convenient position, I understand it’s boiling over, but it’s good to reason when decisions are made for you (perhaps making a deal with their conscience), when my friend they go and kill, defending themselves, and you count how much those “bad” Ukrainian people were sold for, you bear it some kind of nonsense about zombification, there is no such thing there, the split of the country, the split of the people, that is the reason and only the people themselves must withstand, overcome and cleanse themselves, only by going this path themselves will there be victory and “recovery”
  81. -1
    5 November 2014 23: 11
    If 67 billion 232 million (67) is divided by 232 million, the result is 000, not 000.
    The author was mistaken by an order of magnitude, i.e. ten times. The article as a whole is pointless. Essentially, it is proposed to simultaneously: 1. cut off gas to Europe, 2. carry out an armed invasion into territories where we are not expected. Both are stupid.

    Strelkov is again behaving counterproductively and provocatively. Think about it, in July he left Slavyansk and Kromatorsk, where they hoped for him, and now he is calling for a move to Kyiv, where he is not expected. Where is the logic?
    “Some people, personified by Strelkov, say that we need to get to Kyiv...” Be careful, it may well be that the people personified by Strelkov are CIA employees.
  82. battery
    0
    6 November 2014 03: 03
    25-frame, etc. Nonsense, the author heard a ringing and decided to mix everything into a heap, about 25 frame: there was such a program in AI MK-Ultra researched just such questions, it ended in nothing, the program was curtailed. To hypnotize a person it takes a lot of time if it allows situation and concentration on one object (like a pendulum that swings before your eyes) blinked move start all over again. Zombies - even funnier is that on the Maidan I didn’t see planes spraying chemicals and crowds standing in a trance. The author is definitely a complete layman in this, if anyone is curious, look for it On the Internet, the book “Your Intelligence” has sections about zombies and NLP, hypnosis and much more, briefly and clearly. Read and then read this article again laughing
  83. 0
    6 November 2014 03: 54
    Today, Ukraine is the greatest test for Russia and the Russians. This is a test for the worst sin - betrayal!
    I can say one thing with confidence - Belarus, or rather the government of the Republic of Belarus, did not pass this test.
  84. 0
    6 November 2014 10: 08
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: azesm
    for this the author pays his taxes to the state

    A citizen pays taxes for the right to participate in the elections of the sole governing body (and the legislative body too). Nobody promised him anything more for his taxes. If he is dissatisfied with the use of paid taxes, he will vote for another candidate. ALL!


    A very interesting interpretation of the obligations of the state. Did you come up with it yourself or did someone suggest it?
    just in the liberal style
  85. 0
    6 November 2014 10: 13
    Quote: Battory
    25-frame, etc. Nonsense, the author heard a ringing and decided to mix everything into a heap, about 25 frame: there was such a program in AI MK-Ultra researched just such questions, it ended in nothing, the program was curtailed. To hypnotize a person it takes a lot of time if it allows situation and concentration on one object (like a pendulum that swings before your eyes) blinked move start all over again. Zombies - even funnier is that on the Maidan I didn’t see planes spraying chemicals and crowds standing in a trance. The author is definitely a complete layman in this, if anyone is curious, look for it On the Internet, the book “Your Intelligence” has sections about zombies and NLP, hypnosis and much more, briefly and clearly. Read and then read this article again laughing


    were you on the Maidan? Interesting.
    I have a question: do you think that in books on the Internet they will lay everything out for you directly?
    about the fact that the research program was curtailed))
    How do you imagine the success of such a program: its authors say hurray! We have developed a way to zombify a person!! wait for its results on your brains!!
    think with your head. If a program succeeds, the smartest thing to do is to say it didn't succeed and quietly use it.
    and for any smart people like you, post a book with “exposure” on the Internet
    but this obviously won’t come to your mind.
  86. 0
    6 November 2014 10: 15
    Quote: Activist SV
    If 67 billion 232 million (67) is divided by 232 million, the result is 000, not 000.
    The author was mistaken by an order of magnitude, i.e. ten times. The article as a whole is pointless. Essentially, it is proposed to simultaneously: 1. cut off gas to Europe, 2. carry out an armed invasion into territories where we are not expected. Both are stupid.

    Strelkov is again behaving counterproductively and provocatively. Think about it, in July he left Slavyansk and Kromatorsk, where they hoped for him, and now he is calling for a move to Kyiv, where he is not expected. Where is the logic?
    “Some people, personified by Strelkov, say that we need to get to Kyiv...” Be careful, it may well be that the people personified by Strelkov are CIA employees.


    you are probably an SEC activist, not SV
    47, 470 what a difference in principle. It's just a matter of principle.
    or are you personally ready to sell for 470?
  87. 0
    6 November 2014 10: 16
    Quote: 31rus
    It’s a very convenient position, I understand it’s boiling over, but it’s good to reason when decisions are made for you (perhaps making a deal with their conscience), when my friend they go and kill, defending themselves, and you count how much those “bad” Ukrainian people were sold for, you bear it some kind of nonsense about zombification, there is no such thing there, the split of the country, the split of the people, that is the reason and only the people themselves must withstand, overcome and cleanse themselves, only by going this path themselves will there be victory and “recovery”


    question: how much of an expert are you personally in zombification to judge whether this is nonsense?
    or so, purely your personal fabrications?
  88. 0
    6 November 2014 10: 21
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: azesm
    Can you object to anything specifically? some argument that can be answered with the same argument?

    Yes, this is clear from my post. No one from the Soviet elite, either in 1939 or 1941, believed “that everything was agreed upon.” And I don’t know how to explain this to you - the arguments about preparing for war, carried out using the harshest methods and extreme tension of the entire country, are apparently not obvious to you, as follows from the questions asked. I believe that the author is trying to make Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin look like a fool. Moreover, it is completely safe. And even fashionable, especially in the West.

    Well, these are your fabrications about the temporary detention facility. let it be on your conscience.


    Quote: azesm
    the author did not suggest closing the faucet. The question is that you cannot sell your neighbor for the sake of contracts. but no one in the EU or Ukraine is going to give up gas. this is a question of huckstering, from all sides. The question is that you can lose yourself through huckstering
    I read it differently. They said they sold for $47. Reaction to what was said. As for the real thing, where they don’t see this money. That means they don’t want to see it. I remember well how pensioners rummaged through trash cans. Here, where there are no swamps and only Psaki can see the mountains, major repairs are 1 km. Category 3 roads cost more than 10 million rubles. (without design and documentation). They don’t build roads in the country, don’t pay pensions, don’t feed the army?


    that is, in your opinion there is a difference between 47 and 470? something significant and fundamental?

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