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Introduced armored car "Patrol"

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At the last exhibition of weapons and military equipment "Interpolitex-2014" domestic and foreign organizations presented a number of new developments. At one of the event booths, a prototype of the Patrol armored car was shown. This machine, created on the basis of the existing machinery units, is intended for various departments of the Ministry of the Interior that need vehicles that protect the crew and the goods being transported.

The basis of the new armored vehicle is the KAMAZ-43501 chassis, a representative of the Mustang family of vehicles. In the variant, which is the base for the Patrol armored car, this chassis with the 4x4 wheel formula should receive a Cummins ISB6,7-250 diesel engine with 261 horsepower. The engine is connected to the 9-speed ZF9S1310 gearbox. All-wheel drive wheeled chassis has a dependent suspension, made on the basis of semi-elliptical leaf springs.

One of the main objectives of the development of the KAMAZ-43501 project was to create a truck with reduced dimensions. So, in comparison with the base KAMAZ-4350, the updated car has a smaller wheelbase (3670 mm) and a less high floor of the loading platform. This feature made it possible to use the KAMAZ-43501 chassis as the basis for an armored car, since the specifics of using such technology imposes certain restrictions on its appearance.

On the base chassis installed a new armored hull bonnet layout. The body of the Patrol machine is proposed to be welded from sheets of armor steel А3. The base case protection is declared at the level of 5 class according to national standards. Thus, the crew and units of the machine are protected from 7,62-mm bullets of rifles and machine guns (without an armor-piercing core). The hull is divided into two parts: a hood that protects the engine, and a flight deck with a driver’s workplace and a cargo-passenger compartment.

The engine cover with a hinged cover protects the power plant from firing from the side and top. In the front wall of the hood provides windows for engine cooling. On the sides of the hood there are blinds for hot air. The front part of the car is equipped with a developed bumper of a characteristic design. There is a set of lighting equipment.

Seats for the crew and cargo are in an armored hull. 10 seats, including the driver and commander, are in total volume protected by armor. The driver and commander are located in front of the armored hull. The driver has a set of controls for various systems of the machine. The photographs of the first Patrol armored car are not fully trimmed on the dashboard and nearby units. Nevertheless, this can be attributed to the features of the construction and improvement of the prototypes of any technology.

Armored "Patrol" must carry up to eight fighters with weapons and equipment. To accommodate them in the middle and aft parts of the armored hull, chairs are installed with a fairly simple design: metal frames with textile backs and seats. If necessary, the chairs fold down and take up less space. This design of the seats allows you to transport not only people, but also relatively large loads.

For landing and leaving the Patrol car is equipped with a set of doors and hatches. The driver and the commander have their own doors in the sides. On the starboard side, behind the commander’s door, there is another door that the paratroopers can use. A door is provided in the hull's stern sheet. In addition, there are six hatches in the roof: two above the driver’s and commander’s places, four above the troop compartment.

Like other armored cars built on the basis of trucks, the Patrol has a rather high cabin. For ease of landing, there are steps and a tubular bumper through the aft door, which can also be used for lifting into the cabin. On the sides of the hull, between the wheel arches, there are drawers covering the fuel tanks. On their side surfaces there are steps for lifting into the cabin when landing through side doors.

Survey and observation of the road or the surroundings are provided with a set of windows equipped with bulletproof glass. The driver and the commander have a large windshield and trapezoidal glazed doors. In the sides of the troop compartment there are six (three on board) square windows with embrasures equipped with armored dampers. With the help of these windows, the landing party can monitor the situation and, if necessary, fire from personal weapons.

For operation in winter conditions, the armored car Patrol is equipped with a Planar air heater. This device is connected to the electrical system of the base car and, using diesel fuel, heats the cab. The heater is mounted on a special metal stand between the starboard doors.

The armored hull, 5 compliant protection class, was heavy. For this reason, the gross weight of the Patrol armored car reaches 12,7 tons. The proposed 261-strong engine for use should provide maximum speed on the highway to 100 km / h.

The future of the project “Patrol” is still unknown. A new armored car is proposed for arming the units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, primarily the internal troops. The specificity of the work of this structure is such that many of its units need vehicles with high protection characteristics and appropriate mobility. Apparently, the car has not yet been tested and therefore its fate is unknown. However, in the existing form or after certain modifications, the armored car “Patrol” may become the subject of an order from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Introduced armored car "Patrol"









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  1. Owl
    Owl 5 November 2014 07: 55
    +4
    And the stern steps for the exit "from the stern" are better wider, the landing will be faster and more convenient, the door is better with a double door, which would help when dismounting and protect from shrapnel bullets (at least morally).
    1. Ataman
      Ataman 5 November 2014 09: 23
      +8
      Even seat belts did not!
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 5 November 2014 20: 35
        +2
        Quote: Ataman
        Even seat belts did not!

        No one will use them.
        1. would
          would 6 November 2014 10: 05
          +3
          Those who want to remain in the seats during the explosion will be.
          1. Jin
            Jin 6 November 2014 13: 12
            +1
            Quote: rait
            Those who want to remain in the seats during the explosion will be.


            Not this way:

            Those who want to stay alive with a blast and with minimal injuries will be!

            But still a plus for understanding the topic.
            1. would
              would 6 November 2014 14: 23
              0
              I agree, your wording is more indicative.

              By the way, I imagined myself for a minute ... 8 fighters sitting opposite each other, in full gear, in an explosion, fly out of their seats and begin to fly briefly on the body, colliding with each other and the metal structures of the body, receiving damage, including from the fixed on yourself ammunition. It's a terrible thing even if you consider that the soldiers will have armored helmets, which are most often removed in such situations for banal comfort. Moreover, this can happen not only in the event of an explosion, but also in a banal accident involving this technique. Seat belts will still be extremely useful in emergency braking and driving in "directions" in Russia.

              The seats themselves did not like (for obvious reasons). You have already noted the lack of steps, but I will note the absence of head restraints and judging by the photographs during sharp maneuvering, there is a very high probability that it is extremely unpleasant to hit your head on the body. It will be especially unpleasant to hit the protruding handle of the loophole.
          2. GRAY
            GRAY 6 November 2014 18: 08
            0
            Quote: rait
            Those who want to remain in the seats during the explosion will be.

            And those who want to quickly leave the wrecked car will not.
            1. would
              would 6 November 2014 19: 49
              +1
              Well, that means, at best, the world will get rid of several fearless morons. But something tells me that such seasoned ones will be planted right away because they would only have killed themselves ... because they can easily hurt others with their flights. A shell weighing about 100kg is a terrible thing.

              Well, yes. The normal strap in the MRAP comes unfastened in a few moments, so those who choose not to fasten it for sure.
  2. scorpido
    scorpido 5 November 2014 08: 12
    +6
    "Thus, the crew and units of the vehicle are protected from 7,62-mm bullets of rifles and machine guns (no armor-piercing core)." - It's not serious like that.
    1. Jin
      Jin 5 November 2014 08: 56
      +11
      Quote: scorpido
      "Thus, the crew and units of the vehicle are protected from 7,62-mm bullets of rifles and machine guns (no armor-piercing core)." - It's not serious like that.


      I also thought, with such and such a profile, the car is simply huge, and the protection class is somehow "sour" ... A raw car, however, it has been written about it ... What is mine protection? Not a word. Judging by the V bottom of the armored hull, there is a hint of it ... but the seats, although they are attached to the sides, are simply ridiculous in themselves, there are no 4-point belts, footrests ... in this form, if that's all leave, I do not envy the landing force when, God forbid, undermining ... Also concerns the driver and commander ... where did these seats come from, from the Gazelle? I was surprised by the lack of crankcase protection, although it may have been removed for clarity of the assembly units, of course ... The radiator is not protected from below at all. The adversary in the parking lot will sneak up and pierce with a screwdriver - a tryndets pepelatsu weighing 13 tons - knocked out with a screwdriver))) The suspension itself is embarrassing, again, I'm talking about an explosion, the design is such that all the energy of the explosion will be transferred to the frame - the armored hull, and there are funny saddles ... The frame structure itself looks very solid, although no one seems to have conducted tests. Confused about the engine and the box ... what in fig? All the more so with weight, almost like the BMP isn’t enough strength ??? On the highway max 100 km / h, but on the crossroad how? With the speed of a tank, only on a wheel drive, and even with a 4x4 formula, what is the cross-country ability with such and such a weight ??? 8-seater Coffin ...
      And it’s all so, to a glance, it immediately came to mind ... In my opinion, in this form, in no case can it be adopted into service !!!
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 5 November 2014 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Jin
        In my opinion, in this form, in no case should it be accepted for service !!!

        But is it really offered to arming the aircraft? Or is there no difference between an APC and an armored car, for example? Look at the devices of other armored vehicles, you won’t see big miracles there either.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 5 November 2014 12: 19
          +4
          Why not? The car is relatively cheap.

          Only the engine can be replaced, and it is quite possible to use it to accommodate the equipment, which they are now trying to drag from the "kungs" to the "Tigers" that are completely not intended for this. For example, a topographic reference machine - such protection is quite enough for them, and the light explosion protection will not hurt.

          "Typhoon" and "Typhoon", of course, are cooler and more secure, but also more expensive, if not an order of magnitude, then at times for sure. Well, in terms of cross-country ability, in theory, it should correspond to the two-axle KamAZ 4350, which goes to the Airborne Forces to replace the Gaz-66

          Everything should be in moderation...
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 5 November 2014 13: 29
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Everything should be in moderation...

            My question to Jin was asked because he was categorical, that he says he does not know the principles of booking light wheeled and tracked vehicles, which include armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and the same matalygs, this was given to all the mechanics of this technique in the tutorial. Almost all vehicles in the RF Armed Forces do not have body armor, except for the already adopted "Rysy" and "Tigers". Yes, it was not until the 20s to decide this. Again, explosion protection is most likely an empirical property, all land mines are designed to disable the equipment itself and not the landing. One RPG shot is enough for those sitting in an isolated bank to receive serious injuries and cease to be combat-ready. Both companies clearly demonstrated this. In the past, there were topographic markers based on the BTR-60, but they were abandoned, the hulls had a very large impact on instruments, mainly on inertial orientation systems. So, alas, until they come up with non-magnetic armor ... Well, there are prospects, but everything should be domestic.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 5 November 2014 13: 57
              +1
              Quote: Timeout
              In the past there were BTR-60-based togglers

              And it’s precisely topographic units, but not artillery guns?
              As far as I remember, our top-loaders were made either on UAZ cars or on Gas-66. I don’t know how armor can interfere. Unless the gyrocompass, but the problem was still solved under the USSR.

              It?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 6 November 2014 16: 16
                0
                Quote: Spade
                It?

                He but not he, in the photo "Maple" with 1Т121-1, he appeared a little later. And those machines, too, at the base of the 60s, had equipment only for topographic reference, I don't remember exactly, but it seems that the name is connected with the boats and instead of a turret, I saw a box like a doghouse at the Kura training ground.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 5 November 2014 14: 12
              +3
              In general, the problem of protecting expensive equipment has long been resolved.

              For example, the RPMK-1 "Smile" meteorological complex. Costs like three tanks. It is transported in "Ural" -kungs not protected by anything. One stray shell on the march, and khan to the kitten.

              But the trailer, in which without any protection there are 22 cylinders with hydrogen, is especially tender
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 5 November 2014 14: 47
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                there are 22 hydrogen cylinders

                if I get ... it will be - a big bang fellow
                Quote: Spade
                , and Khan kitten.

                and to everyone who is within a radius of 50 met ....

                Churchill-Crocodile and armored trailer with fire mixture 1944
            3. Jin
              Jin 6 November 2014 12: 02
              0
              Quote: Timeout
              what he says is not knowledge of the principles of booking light wheeled and tracked vehicles, which include armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and the same materiel, this was given to all the mechanics of this equipment back in training.


              I am glad that you are so familiar with me and make subjective conclusions based on this. One of my military specialties is a mechanized infantry fighting vehicle, used a "penny" in the 90s ...

              Quote: Timeout
              Again, explosion protection is most likely an empirical property, all landmines are designed to incapacitate the equipment itself and not the landing force.


              Sorry, but such a profanation, it says a lot to me about your "competence" in this area ... Therefore, I'll make a reservation right away, I'm not even going to argue with you further, there have already been precedents - a waste of time. Just don’t, about the fact that I moved off the topic, etc., passed, I explained to you the reason.

              My original post, my personal opinion, and the allegations are valid. Unlike your ethereal "RESERVATION PRINCIPLES" laughing WHERE ALREADY PROVINCIAL TO me l * ooh ... The only thing I missed (I will highlight in bold):
              "In my opinion, in this form, for transportation of drugs, in no case take it into service is NOT !!!

              Quote: Timeout
              Almost all cars in the Russian Armed Forces do not have armor protection


              Well, yes, well, yes ... of course, about "Pokemon" (unofficial name), you probably have not heard ... even in Chechnya, such Urals, no? Have you not heard? This, of course, is far from an MRAP, but it is not a basic truck either ...
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 6 November 2014 16: 03
                0
                Quote: Jin
                One of my military specialties is a mechanized infantry fighting vehicle, used a "penny" in the 90s ...

                Yeah, who froze the heel to the 3-4 degree, and then calmly carried out his duties. That's it, not even sofa tales.
                Quote: Jin
                there have already been precedents, a waste of time

                Argue and do not, how are plastic windows doing?
                Quote: Jin
                "Pokemon"

                Dear, "Pokemon" in its original form was an iron booth with a plywood roof, which was placed in the back of the "Ural", and only then after 2000 it became what it is now, an armored capsule of 6 protection class and a reserved cabin. Since you say about the service in 96-97, you simply could not see them. Zvezda-V is a conventional truck with a reserved cab, a huge difference compared to a fully armored vehicle.
                1. Jin
                  Jin 7 November 2014 09: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Timeout
                  Yeah, who froze the heel to the 3-4 degree, and then calmly carried out his duties.


                  I don’t know about the degree, they didn’t make any diagnoses, because they didn’t stupidly let them go to the hospital, but drove to the park ... but until blackness and a blister in its place in the morning, yes. You have * reassigned all that post of mine in your own way — typical, the reception of people who lack argumentation. Such people start stupidly mischief, like quiet people and point out the moments at which they think they saw something implausible ... Well, this is purely your complexity. You would have kept your completely inappropriate race for yourself, because he is violet to me, if something bothers you in my comments, this is purely your problem.

                  Quote: Timeout
                  Since you are saying about the service in 96-97, you simply could not see them.


                  Well, I don’t know how old you are and what’s in your head, but if you don’t know, then two years 96-98 served urgently, actually ... But judging by your height, a lot of things become clear laughing ... About what I saw or could not see, you as a super "specialist" naturally know better smile ...



                  Quote: Timeout
                  How are plastic windows doing?


                  Are the windows getting on? Generally killed laughing Alive all living things, you will not believe!

                  Everything, dear remembered you, the conversation is over! hi It’s necessary to merge you into a black list or something ... or leave it, so, for fun ...
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 8 November 2014 19: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Jin
                    You have * reassigned all that post of mine in your own way — typical, the reception of people who lack argumentation.

                    Dear, we have one type like you called "Admiral Ushakov" claimed that a relative, invented a lot. Frostbite of 3-4 degrees, as you said, is extremely painful to blackness. And when the bubble bursts, it heals for a very long time. And the fact that you say that the bubble just burst and ran on, there is such a thing wet gangrene that accompanies such cases. And hobble on tiptoe. Any doctor will confirm this.
                    Quote: Jin
                    then two years 96-98 were served immediately, actually ... But judging by your vyser, a lot of things become clear

                    Don’t tell me when and how much you served. You claim that from February 97 to spring 98, they drove a BMP to Chechnya, being seconded it is not clear what. Where you were shot and undermined. The most interesting thing is that of the 6th Guards. After the first Chechen war, no one was seconded to the RBD which was then unavailable, especially conscripts. Around Chechnya everything was in charge of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. By the way, greetings from Sergeant Enkova, but he can see something with memory that he doesn’t remember you. So your vyser is credited!
                    Quote: Jin
                    Everything, dear remembered you, the conversation is over! hi It’s necessary to merge you into a black list or something ... or leave it, so, for fun ...

                    You can throw to the black list, but you can not throw, this is your personal matter.
                    The truth got out anyway.
                    1. Jin
                      Jin 8 November 2014 21: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Timeout
                      Dear, we have one type like you


                      Listen, dear: "type" - in the mirror you will see

                      Quote: Timeout
                      Frostbite 3-4 degrees as you said until black extremely painful thing. And when the bubble bursts heals for a very long time.


                      Once again, for especially "talented" I don’t presume to assert the degree, but the blackening of the skin, I think the 3rd pulls, but I’m not special in this and was not in the hospital then, therefore, this is purely my "diagnosis"! I hope, finally, it reaches you, the meaning of what I wrote !!!
                      I’m aware of the sensations, I felt it on myself, the bubble did not burst, I ripped it with a needle, because it was unrealistic to put on a boot (if you don’t remember this, or maybe I didn’t write about it, it’s not the point) and wrapped a footcloth. And forward to the parade ground, to build ...

                      Quote: Timeout
                      And the fact that you say that you just burst the bubble and ran on, there is such a thing, wet gangrene that accompanies such cases. And they would hobble on tiptoe. Any doctor will confirm this.


                      No, I went to bed with black lights, woke up with a bubble on my heel, when lifting. Well I say, such "commentators" like you are ready to turn everything upside down and slander, for one, only characters like you, for obvious reasons. Gangrene occurs in neglected cases, when tissues die, causing rotting of the latter, where sepsis comes from ... I'm not going to prove anything, much less justify myself (this is the lot of those who are wrong or lying), can you please write about doctors, I wrote what was with me and this is true, everything to the last letter, the Lord is my judge in this.

                      In short, I’m not going to repeat this topic anymore. If you have a brain, you’ll understand everything, if not, well, there are courts for it, you know, Nem ...
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          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 5 November 2014 13: 36
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Only the engine can be replaced, and it is quite possible to use it to accommodate the equipment, which they are now trying to drag from the "kungs" to the "Tigers" that are completely not intended for this.

            Quote: Spade
            KamAZ 4350, which goes to the Airborne Forces to replace

            BM "Tiger", for the Airborne Forces, categorically ((in those modifications that it is produced))) DOES NOT FIT !!!
            but, at the request of Deripaska, and clear performance characteristics from the MO, everything can be fixed ...
            (I repeat)) The Arabs made a multi-purpose chassis based on the "NIMR" 4x4,6x6 ...



            that's right + make the KaAZ 4x4 bonnet chassis multipurpose, then the price will drop, and the possible BM options on such a chassis will expand ((, basic, commander, SEM, medical, for RDG, etc. !!!!

            Applied, as used by the chassis "Unimog", for various BM, around the world !!!
          3. Jin
            Jin 6 November 2014 11: 34
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Only the engine can be replaced, and it is quite possible to use it to accommodate the equipment, which they are now trying to drag from the "kungs" to the "Tigers" that are completely not intended for this. For example, a topographic reference machine - such protection is quite enough for them, and the light explosion protection will not hurt.


            Greetings, dear! hi
            I agree both on the engine and on your proposed use concept. You are absolutely right for any "hardware" more than but not how not to transport drugs. I'm talking about the fact that it is still better for the landing force to move on "Typhoons" and others like them, because as for the safety of drugs, it is not entirely appropriate to talk about cheapness.
        2. Jin
          Jin 6 November 2014 11: 27
          0
          Quote: Timeout
          Look at the devices of other armored vehicles, you won’t see big miracles there either.


          Dear colleague, I watched a lot, hence the conclusions, because everything is known in comparison ...

          Quote: Timeout
          But is it really offered to arming the aircraft?


          I wrote:

          "Damp car, however, it is written about it ..."
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 6 November 2014 16: 25
            0
            Quote: Jin
            watched a lot

            It is not enough to look at a photo on the internet a lot, you need to know how everything looks in reality and draw conclusions from this. What our industry is now offering is actually very crude. Take the same "Bulat", many drivers are not happy with it, not to mention the "canned food" in the troop compartment.
            1. Jin
              Jin 7 November 2014 09: 46
              0
              Quote: Timeout
              It is not enough to look at a photo on the Internet, you need to know how everything looks in reality and draw conclusions from this.


              What and how to do will teach your children how people smile You do not need to judge everyone by yourself, truth, as old as this world, do not really catch up with it anyway?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 8 November 2014 19: 44
                0
                Quote: Jin
                What and how to do will teach your children how people smile You do not need to judge everyone by yourself, truth, as old as this world, do not really catch up with it anyway?
                Dear, my children should only be taught to spoil. To you dear, such a thing as truth does not stick. Grabbing the tops is for you. Driving in a killed "penny" you will not learn the truth about military equipment. For the share of the mechanic park, disposing, chips and so on in a circle. Or did the inspiration overtake? Alas, it's your share to click the keyboard on VO. And then probably a family, two children, financial difficulties, and again the circle is closed.
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 6 November 2014 18: 11
        0
        Quote: Jin
        .In my opinion, in this form, in no case should it be accepted for service !!!

        Can we sell it? smile
        1. Jin
          Jin 7 November 2014 09: 47
          0
          Quote: GRAY
          Can we sell it?


          Think buy it? smile Well, if the natives smile
  3. activator
    activator 5 November 2014 09: 09
    +8
    I’m interested in something else. Why should the Kaminz engine be sculpted if there is such a Kamaz engine exactly in power?
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 5 November 2014 10: 27
      0
      Everything is simple - an export, cheap option, judging by the cross-country ability, protection, interior, engine and gearbox, which is positive for production.
      And, of course, it cannot be compared with the Typhoons.
      1. activator
        activator 5 November 2014 11: 00
        0
        Is it exactly that cummins is cheaper? This is news to me.
  4. Ghjynjyjoiiyr
    Ghjynjyjoiiyr 5 November 2014 09: 24
    0
    These tarpaulin chairs will not last long, 4, five years from strength.
    1. Jin
      Jin 5 November 2014 09: 40
      0
      Quote: Ghjynjyjoiiyr
      These tarpaulin chairs will not last long, 4, five years from strength.


      No, up to the first 4, five kg in TNT equivalent ... and to alter the material is just not a problem at all, even in the field, in urgent need ... it's like a footcloth in universality.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2014 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Ghjynjyjoiiyr
      These tarpaulin chairs will not last long, 4, five years from strength.

      I would ride in these "chairs" of designers, but across the intersection!
      1. Jin
        Jin 6 November 2014 13: 16
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        I would ride in these "chairs" of designers, but across the intersection!


        Great idea! + good
    3. saygon66
      saygon66 5 November 2014 12: 36
      0
      - One good thing is that repairing is simple and cheap! On our company car, for half a year the seats were pushed to the bare piece of iron ... A walkie-talkie was hung on the back, in this place there was a fist on a chair.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 5 November 2014 19: 45
        0
        Introduced armored car "Patrol"


        similar in purpose to BM "Federal-M" (Moscow Institute of Special Equipment) ... it will be more thoughtful ... although it is also a prototype ...


        and anti-fragmentation lining there are mine seats and an entrance-exit, it’s more convenient for landing-landing etc ....
        1. RobinBaD
          RobinBaD 6 November 2014 05: 59
          0
          The Patrol's emphasis on the small dimensions of the car is a minimum. Machines do not fundamentally compare
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  6. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 5 November 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Come on. It's a vengeance machine! Yesterday, here is one "driver" from the "secondary" took off. The thought of repairing made me slow down. There would be such or "Tiger" ... And the mother-in-law in the troop compartment with her saplings and seedlings is generally open. There are no 4 point belts, this is bad. So I fastened my mother-in-law and pedal to the floor along the ravines!
  7. tchoni
    tchoni 5 November 2014 10: 04
    +8
    Another attempt to cut the dough. In my opinion, these armored cars have already been riveted so much: typhoons, bears, wolves, patrols, tigers, patrols, watermen, etc. APCs so that no one can already figure out who to ride them on. it seems to me that this is something that participated in any tender and did not pass stupidly.
  8. DesToeR
    DesToeR 5 November 2014 10: 27
    +3
    Quote: tchoni
    Another attempt to cut the dough. In my opinion, these armored cars have already been riveted so much: typhoons, bears, wolves, patrols, tigers, patrols, watermen, etc. APCs so that no one can already figure out who to ride them on. it seems to me that this is something that participated in any tender and did not pass stupidly.

    I agree. Such a variety of machines suggests the absence of either understanding or a clear technical assignment on the part of the customer. I was surprised by the coloring of the car (camouflage), which "is proposed for arming the Interior Ministry units, primarily the internal troops." The military will not accept such a pepelats into service. With a mass of 12,7 tons, there are only 4 wheels.
  9. Gray 43
    Gray 43 5 November 2014 11: 02
    0
    Perplexed by the choice of engine-staffers will blink and that's it, cars without motors will remain, and really, why so many expensive cars of varying degrees of protection? Money nowhere to go? What to do with analogues that are already in production?
  10. Crang
    Crang 5 November 2014 11: 12
    +1
    These are the vehicles that have to be made with the "fundamentally new" BTR-82A in service. In general, the concept of the BTR-40 and BTR-152 in the form of MRAR is still more alive today than all the living.
  11. Vadim237
    Vadim237 5 November 2014 11: 26
    0
    I spent five kilograms under it and its path was completed.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 November 2014 12: 21
      0
      Probably not.
  12. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 5 November 2014 12: 42
    +1
    For VVshnikov will do.
    But there are comments.

    1. Inside the BA there are a lot of combustible materials in the lining of the airborne squad; there is nothing to do with bus linoleum on the floor either (corrugated metal flooring is better). The instrument panel is also made of combustible polymer, which is also useless.

    2. The car turned out to be quite high and landing and disembarking even for a healthy fighter hung with equipment will not be easy in combat conditions, not to mention the wounded. By the way, a device for lifting a stretcher with wounded people is included in the equipment of the machine, and gentlemen, KAMAZ engineers?

    3. Seats for the landing are placed and secured normally, but the folding (180 degrees up from the back) head restraints and 4-point belts with automatic adjustment of tension by height and physique of the fighter still had to be put. You do not need to rely only on the high location of the module’s floor from the earth’s surface, as well as on the weight of a soldier hung with equipment.

    4. Gentlemen, present KAMAZ engineers, answer, why do you "dislike" military drivers so much? People serve their Fatherland around the clock, often not sparing their belly, and you strive to tear this very belly (and not only it) to them all the time.
    What have they done to you in their life that you are giving them all sorts of bad surprises?
    Then hang the "spare wheel" weighing more than 100 kilos 1,5 m from the ground, then you make you climb around the engine in the position of the letter "si" along the wings and bumper ...
    Well, at least the engineers of ZIL (heaven to him) would have gained experience or something ...

    Yeah ... yeah ...



    Or from American colleagues:


    The dream of the drivers of many Russian "kapotnikov", folding tail.

    And the spare wheel and the bottom under the frame could be placed. Or on a hydraulic lift from either side, following the example of KAMAZ-4310 (only the spare tire behind the bracket for its fastening must be installed, we would ask veterans of the enterprise that 4310 designed).
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 5 November 2014 12: 53
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      Quote: wanderer_032
      the spare wheel behind the bracket for its fastening must be put


      Here is the same as in this photo, only equipped with a hydraulic lift:

    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 November 2014 13: 31
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      The BRDM-2 does not have a full reserve. And therefore, places for its placement. Therefore, they fixed on the only possible place, the roof of the tower. And they did not buzz.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 5 November 2014 18: 37
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        Quote: Spade
        The BRDM-2 does not have a full reserve.

        make a mount for it (spare), 30 welding minutes ...

        photo from a neighboring branch:http://topwar.ru/61654-vtoraya-zhizn-brdm-razvedchiki-na-grazhdanke-chast-pervay

        a.html

    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 5 November 2014 20: 02
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      Quote: wanderer_032

      Or from American colleagues:

      the hood is not armored at MaxxPro from "Navistar", which is not, GUT ....

      better is another example "Bushmasteu", booked V-mod..casing ... and the engine, in a single armored capsule ...
      клик
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 5 November 2014 20: 34
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        KamAZ-4326 (Kamaz-master) have the same independent suspension as the BM "Bushmaster" ...
        from the Irish company "Timoney Technology" ...

        here it is necessary to use the suspension already tested on the Dakar tracks ((having mastered production in Russia)))


        As for the BM "Bushmaster", we can only envy the thoughtfulness of the armored vehicle ... to the smallest detail...
  13. 31rus
    31rus 5 November 2014 14: 40
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    I don’t understand the engine, then whose, this scrap metal is not needed, neither in the Armed Forces, nor in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are already developed machines, "vodnik", "wolf", "tiger", so tell this then why
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 November 2014 15: 49
      +2
      To tell? Yes please.

      "Vodnik" is a crude machine, the development of which was abandoned. An inconvenient exit would make sense if the car was floating, but despite the name it is not. MO has abandoned it for 10 years already.

      "Wolf" - is being developed with the money of the Ministry of Defense and therefore has not yet been developed. A competitor to "Tiger" and therefore to force it to finally be brought to mind and put into production can only be done by shooting the managers of the Arzamas plant. Due to the sanctions, the likelihood that it will be explosion-proof is extremely small. Only the Germans have flat bottom protection technology

      The army does not need a "tiger" at all, but thanks to Deripaska's hairy paw it is still purchased. "Tiger 6A" still could not be submitted for blasting tests.

      What is "Patrol". Budget car. A cheap analogue of the KAMAZ "Typhoon". That is why his BB is offered: the Internal Troops, being in the role of Cinderella in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, have very limited funding. For the price, the car will most likely be at the level of "Tigers", since it makes the most of the components and assemblies of a serial truck.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 5 November 2014 18: 10
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        Quote: Spade
        An inconvenient exit would make sense

        Ergonomic, VHD, install a silencer and a door between the cockpit and the troop compartment is a penny upgrade !!!
        if the car was swimming

        Quote: Spade
        the car swam (((or rather had 0 buoyancy ... for crossing a small river, the lake was quite enough, and when installing a pump for pumping water, it acquired additional .. safety when crossing ...

        GAZ-3937 "Vodnik"
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 5 November 2014 19: 26
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          Quote: Spade

          "Wolf" - is being developed with the money of the Ministry of Defense and therefore has not yet been developed.

          developed but not finalized ..
          1. it is necessary to replace the non ... suspension with variable clearance with a simpler and more reliable one: like, on the MZKT-6001 6x6


          2. Develop a door between the cockpit and the troop compartment ....
          like on Wer.Wolf Mk-II
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 5 November 2014 21: 08
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            Since 2006, the Uruguayan military has been operating 48 Russian armored vehicles GAZ-3937 "Vodnik", supplied by the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Rosoboroneskport" ...
            WOULD modernize the GAZ-3937 "Vodnik", mastered the Lat ... American market ... and the competition there is extremely tough ...


            "Tigers" Brazil did not buy ...
            info s:http://totalitat.livejournal.com/11700.html
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 6 November 2014 00: 40
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        Quote: Spade
        since it makes maximum use of the components and assemblies of a serial truck.

        not always like this...
        BM "Bushmaster" costs from 500,000 to 650,000 thousand Australian $$$ 250,000 pounds = 12,5 million rubles ...
        I recall that federal-M cost 14 August = 10 rubles, at the nodes of the serial Urals 000000 ...
        not much difference ... but maneuverability and ride on an independent suspension are several times higher ...

        Let me remind you that BM "Typhoon K and U" costs more than $ 1 ((you can buy almost 000000 BM "Bushmaster"))) steep price, with similar characteristics !!!



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        .html
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        9CProtected+Utility+Vehicles&aqs=chrome..69i57.1653j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93
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  15. The fat man
    The fat man 5 November 2014 20: 32
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    Tell someone noticed injury chairs
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 5 November 2014 20: 56
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      Quote: Fat Man
      noticed injured chairs

      no, I didn’t notice ...
      Quote: cosmos111
      BM "Federal-M" .... there are anti-splinter lining and mine armchairs
  16. Throw
    Throw 5 November 2014 22: 25
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    Again another armored shell ...
    Maybe someone in the know - we have some kind of approved fleet structure for the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc.
    Or what we want, then we buy?
  17. TOR2
    TOR2 5 November 2014 22: 29
    +1
    Quote: tchoni
    Another attempt to cut the dough. In my opinion, these armored cars have already been riveted so much: typhoons, bears, wolves, patrols, tigers, patrols, watermen, etc. APCs so that no one can already figure out who to ride them on. it seems to me that this is something that participated in any tender and did not pass stupidly.

    On the other hand, competition is a good thing, at least there is plenty to choose from. Of course, each developer is brewed in his own juice, partly this is also not bad. Because it is possible the appearance of unexpected interesting solutions. But certain guidelines should be shared. Mine (bulletproof, anti-shatter) protection not lower than a certain class. The machine must be tenacious and easy to repair. And of course, we need to decide whether we will protect these machines from getting into RPGs. If so, you will need to develop a special complex of active protection. And it would not even be bad if there are several developers.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 5 November 2014 23: 08
      +1
      Quote: TOR2
      On the other hand, competition is a good thing, at least there is plenty to choose from.

      judging by BM, only from these positions to-YES ...

      but it’s better to try to create a unified, modular chassis, with a wheel formula, 4x4,6x6,8x8, with unification for the motor, gearbox, suspension units, etc.
      KamAZ made a Typhoon, but there was no 4x4 chassis yet ...

      BAE Systems South Africa: RG35 Modular BM ...
      info s : http: //www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/07/fres-uv-a-modest-proposal-for-a-family-of



      -protected-utility-vehicles /

      and with:http://www.air-defense.net/forum/topic/10736-blind%C3%A9s-sud-africains-la-gamme


      -s% C3% A9largit / page-3

      in the landing squad RG35
      4x4

      6x6
  18. Throw
    Throw 5 November 2014 23: 02
    +1
    Competition is good to a certain number of competitors .. According to the experience of the USSR 2-3
    And it would be nice to approve those "benchmarks" in "standards
  19. Alexander
    Alexander 5 November 2014 23: 19
    +1
    Quote: Jin

    I also thought, with such and such a profile, the car is simply huge, and the protection class is somehow "sourish" ... A raw car, however, it is written about it ... In my opinion, in this form, in no case take it into service NOT!


    Do it better, expert. Since, judging by the commentary, there are no engineers here, then for the "experts" the machine is designed according to the customer's specifications. If he has enough protection against small arms, then no one will book more - it's overweight.
    1. Jin
      Jin 6 November 2014 13: 33
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      Quote: alexandr
      Do your best, expert.


      Everyone should do their own thing ... I'm not a designer, but there is some experience of the "user". Than, to snap, it is better to write in what I am wrong. And in general, commentators pulling phrases out of context are in a rage. I read the article, looked at the photo, expressed what I like, what not, from what I saw. Or are we figs here? But what did you do? Did they rise * as you think? If such a great engineer, write what you think about it, otherwise there are enough masters to pour water here.

      This is my opinion, but I simply did not see your article on the topic, it is not written about me at all ...
  20. Tjeck
    Tjeck 6 November 2014 01: 44
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    I don’t understand a bit, is it necessary? it is built for someone, the army and navy have BMPs, the bmd assault forces, for transporting and gas will do ..
    1. Crang
      Crang 6 November 2014 16: 02
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      Quote: Tjeck
      I don’t understand a bit, is it necessary?

      For groups A, Pennant, as well as riot police and SOBR.
    2. would
      would 6 November 2014 16: 49
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      Tracked infantry fighting vehicles and infantry fighting vehicles with all the disadvantages of traveling on roads. At the same time, they are very crowded, uncomfortable to dismount and sit down, in fact it is impossible to efficiently place any kind of cargo, escort is required for driving on roads. By the way, the review is also to hell. MRAPs were created just for transportation on roads in conditions of local conflicts and the guerrilla war accompanying them with jokes in the form of ambushes and IEDs on roads.

      Their internal space (MRAP) is much freer, which allows them to transport goods (for example, ammunition), comfortably (rather than stuff), arrange personnel, and also convert them to a medical vehicle in which there will be enough space. And all this with the overall characteristics that allow this type of car to go unaccompanied by the traffic police and a much better overview and, of course, serious armor and protection from undermining. If there were such cars in the Chechen war ...

      for transfer and gas will do ..


      When at least you really get hit by fire in GAZ and you understand that ANY turn from AK 100% will go into the interior of the body, you will immediately understand everything. About the blast in which EVERYTHING in GAZ or any other ordinary truck is likely to die and no need to talk. Everyone wants to live.
  21. TOR2
    TOR2 6 November 2014 19: 37
    +1
    Quote: alexandr
    Since, judging by the commentary, there are no engineers here, then for the "experts" the machine is designed according to the customer's specifications.

    You take ideal conditions. In reality, the Su-25 began to design underground. With MI-24, the situation is not much better. Both design bureaus were led by great designers who did not always look at some things standardly.
    Yes, there is a TK, and if you meet future users, an interesting addition will be added to the TK. Well, if you miss the glass, the other with those who took part in the hostilities, it turns out that the tachy TK is very far from reality. And then everything will depend on the leader. This is how successful developments appear or not.