New sound of National Unity Day

4 November 2005, a new holiday appeared in the calendar of holiday dates - the Day of National Unity. The holiday is dedicated to the liberation of Moscow from the Polish-Lithuanian intervention in 1612 and is timed to the Day of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God. This day is one of the Days of Russian military glory.

If initially Russians were skeptical about a new holiday and, according to sociological polls, perceived it rather as an alternative offered by the state to celebrating the revolutionary November 7, much has changed over the years of the National Unity Day in Russia. Of course, not everyone is ready to agree that this holiday should be celebrated on November 4, given the fact that in March of this year, unity with the Crimea took place thanks to the results of the March referendum on the peninsula and public opinion in Russia on this issue. However, while the Day of National Unity is associated with the liberation from the Polish invasion and is celebrated precisely today (November 4).

Sociological monitoring service VCIOM decided to conduct an analysis of the public opinion of Russians on the assessment of citizenship of unity in the Russian Federation. About 44% of respondents answered that there is popular unity in Russia. This figure is almost twice as high as two years ago. In the 2012 year, it was believed that national unity in Russia as such is, no more than 23% of respondents. The majority of Russians polled by VTsIOM believe that they observe popular unity in Russia for the reason that in difficult times for the country, citizens always united.

At the same time, VTsIOM asked those who are sure that there is no national unity in the Russian Federation, why do they think so? About 31% of respondents stated that everyone in Russia is for himself and is ready to defend only his own interests. By the way, in the 2012 year (the year when VTsIOM conducted the previous similar survey), the number of people who believe that in Russia only defends their personal interests was almost 40%.

The opinion that the people of our country are ready to rally in difficult times for the Fatherland is probably the decisive factor here. And this fact shatters the theory that the Russians (in the broad sense of the word) are a people who are not ready for unity and cohesion. If there are people in our country who think that way, then such people are simply not familiar with history. One of those examples of civic unity, which allowed the state to defend, is associated with those events that served as an impetus for defining 4 November 1612 of the year as the “progenitor” of the Day of National Unity.

To defend the state, torn by vague events, attempts to divide power and foreign henchmen, literally people of the people stood up, having formed the strike fist of the Zemsky militia led by citizen Kozma Minin and Prince Dmitry Pozharsky.

From the draft letter sent to Ryazan, Galich, Kostroma, Kazan, Vladimir and Vologda (the style and spelling are preserved):

Stati for the Orthodox faith and for the Muscovite state is one.

M.I. Sands. Minin's appeal to Nizhny Novgorod in 1611 year. Fragment. (1861)

Today, the relevance of this unity is higher than ever in recent years. The Zemstvo militia of Minin and Pozharsky, the model of the beginning of the struggle against the Polish-Lithuanian occupation, is a kind of historical prototype of the militia of Novorossia. The call for the Russian people to stand up for Moscow in times of great Troubles, to sweep foreign hunters from the land of the Russian to the Russian throne - isn't the same unity happening today in connection with the unrest in Ukraine, in connection with the bloody pro-Western intervention in New Russia. The selfish interests of the Ukrainian moneybags and other overseas henchmen who came to power, turned the once flourishing region into hellish ruins, the series of the most heinous crimes against humanity from Odessa and Mariupol to Lugansk and Donetsk, a whole placer of “false idols” that broke on the shoulders of the radicals into the Ukrainian parliament, the government, the presidential administration is, in fact, a direct repetition (except with a modern color) of the events of more than four hundred years ago on Russian soil. Just as the ruling elite of Western civilization tried to take advantage of the Time of Troubles in Russia in order to deprive the state and its people of self-identity that had developed over the centuries, the same elite is making regular attempts to succeed.

We say today that the world has gone mad, that distemper has swept the most different states. Yes it is. But, by and large, this is another round of the historical spiral. We know how the invasion of the invaders in our country ended in 1612, and we know exactly how this invasion will end today.

New “false Dmitrys” and their sponsors can say anything about the fact that they bring “freedom and prosperity”, walking on the bloodstains of women and children of Donbass, but this intervention will end. Why? Yes, because people who are trying to dissociate themselves from the history and cut off the historical threads for the people they supposedly represent, by definition, cannot win. Their destiny is lies, narcissism, intrigue, and reliance on foreign aid. Popular unity annoys them, because the people one day will ask them for all their deeds.

Let our multinational people have not yet decided on a civilian level with the very date of the celebration of the Day of National Unity, but, by and large, the day is not as important as the fact of unity is important. And the events of recent months have shown that the disunity of the population of Russia is another myth that those who openly want a repetition of the coming of the masters in Russian power, who are called to meet every hour, are not domestic interests, are trying to impose.

Happy holiday, Russia! In our unity - strength and prosperity!

Comments

[Name]

Happy Holiday RUSSIA!

[MIV999]

The call for the Russian people to defend Moscow during the time of the Great Troubles in order to sweep foreign hunters from the land of the Russian to the Russian throne - isn’t the same unity happening today in connection with the troubles in Ukraine, in connection with the bloody pro-Western intervention in New Russia

"Nothing is new under the Moon" (c) In fact, the same thing is happening now - only the method of pressure on Russia has changed - all these sanctions are worthless
Yes, only hlPotno it-to put pressure on Russia ...
Russia itself whom you want ... SELLS !!!

[horseradish]

Do you think the year 17 was different?

[diesel]

Four hours ago, with their commander, the GRU general, they celebrated MILITARY SCIENCE DAY. I’m not bothering anyone to go home, a fat woman breaks ads, I make comments, I get an answer to a mixture of Moldovan-Russian - it’s not your pig business, she takes anger, I forbid her to touch ads, the depressed region of Monino, BBA went to Voronezh. I push off the board and go home. After 500 m, the Cop overtakes the car and offers to drive to Losino-Petrovsky. They begin to provoke disobedience, pull the sleeve, knock it to the ground, endure, friends arrived, let go. An examination was taken for honey, there are no documents for the device, they do not do a zero printout. Threaten. In January I’ll go to Ukraine, if I return, I’ll remind all of these goats. I have the honor, retired colonel, candidate of military sciences.

[horseradish]

by the way, but this holiday, first of all, is the holiday of the "black hundred", that is, common people, peasants, philistines (bourgeois townspeople ), merchants, or rather, those who were not trash or a cleric, and headed the black hundred precisely Kuzma Minin, although the role of the nobility (okolnichny, Prince Dmitry Pozharsky, and most of the wars, in the era of the prevalence of cold steel could not be otherwise), and the clergy (the blessing and not small funds for the maintenance of the militia gave the Trinity-Sergius Lavra) is difficult to overestimate. so, what exactly is it, this day is really the day of the People’s (in its entirety) Unity

[Andrey Yuryevich]

it is strange that congratulations at the "media" level ... there is no holiday on the streets, and no one from friends congratulates ... so far, the holiday does not pull on a "holiday".

[s.melioxin]

DEAR WITH YOUR HOLIDAY !!!

[Egoza]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

there is no holiday on the streets, and no one congratulates friends.

Just in memory of November 7th! That was a HOLIDAY! In the meantime, the date of November 4 somehow does not "inspire". It is perceived as the day that was appointed so that the people would forget about the Soviet holiday. But don't be discouraged! Perhaps everyone you know is already enjoying the gift ...
Mosfilm posted for free viewing more than 500 Soviet films
http://cinema.mosfilm.ru/
And yet WITH THE HOLIDAY, dear Russians !!!!

[gunya]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

there is no holiday on the streets, and no one congratulates friends.

Until the October Revolution is erased from the people's memory and what it has given to the people, no artificially invented "days of unity" will become a holiday, just another weekend.

[Lopatov]

What did she give? Civil war? Impoverishment? Lose territories?

[Rastas]

Yes, the war was against those who for centuries robbed and humiliated their own people. Read Nekrasov, Saltykov-Shchedrin, Turgenev, Tolstoy, Korolenko, Gorky, they describe the life of "Russia we have lost." Crunch your French bun elsewhere.

[Lopatov]

With whom, dear? The nobles were a drop in the ocean, with whom to fight there? The bourgeois also did not seek to take up arms, they preferred to drape abroad with their capitals ... So who fought with whom in Civil?

[shasherin_pavel]

I can recall the cavalry regiment (3 men) of St. George at Denikin's, consisting entirely of clergymen who moved in cassocks in a saber attack. They were lured into a machine-gun ambush and mowed down by the flanking fire of four "maxims". Judging by the number of "repressed" priests, they can all be classified as "innocently murdered priests." Remember Kapelev's "psychic" officer attack. Then remember "Walking through the agony", when the officer served as a private. The colonels commanded the officers' companies. Understand that the Civil War of 000-1918 is a mirror image of the war in Novorossiya. Also the absence of a front.

[horseradish]

are you sorry full? to believe in this truly Hebel-Trotskyist lie? you have no idea about the priestly order forbidding to take up arms, Lord, what kind of ukrointsy these commies
but I agree about Novorossia, only the militias are actually a reaction to the coup, and the right-wingers are tracing paper from the Red Guard, the same thugs and their owners are the same Jews
Lenin (form) - Poroshenko (waltzman), frotman brackets, Yarosh (leader in Hebrew) ethinsons, Yeshua (Sverdlov) and other Rosenfelds

[Cresta999]

Sorry, but you are either a complete ignoramus in history, or you don’t know how to draw conclusions from it.

[alicante11]

With whom, dear? The nobles were a drop in the ocean, with whom to fight there? The bourgeois also did not seek to take up arms, they preferred to drape abroad with their capitals ...

They fought with them in order to drive them out of our land and throw them off our neck. And the fact that they are not fighting with their own hands is not the first time we have heard. When slavery lasts for centuries, the slave even begins to love his prison and fight for it, and even with those who want to free it from it. Unfortunately, our parents were not able to keep what their fathers and grandfathers gave them — freedom from exploiters.

[Lopatov]

With whom "with them", with the destroyed Cossacks? And what have you achieved, even greater slavery? The peasants fought for the land and lost it as a result.

[Rastas]

Cossacks, by the way, were called "dogs of the regime". The authorities often used them to disperse workers' strikes. My maternal great-grandfather is a Kuban Cossack, they were sent to suppress strikes, so they refused. But there were others. Then, in the civil war, the Cossacks did not fight for "one and indivisible", but stood for their own independent Cossack freemen, and this was a well-to-do part. In the Kuban in tsarist times it was said that the Kuban is not Russia. In The Quiet Don, Grigory Melekhov's father says to his son - "Think about it, Grishka. Stinking Russia should not rule here."

[horseradish]

remind who were these nobles? more precisely, you meant "zolotoponnikov" these were doctors, teachers, engineers, career soldiers who, fulfilling their patriotic duty, became army officers and fought against the German invaders, in contrast to lackeys socialists of all sorts, 90% "chosen by God"

[Rastas]

And why only nobles? Petty bourgeois, merchants, priests and so on and so forth. There were few of them, but there was a lot of money, moreover, this money was stored in Russia. Therefore, it was not difficult to assemble an army. And the fact that the White Army was called Voluntary is just a name. They also shaved it. My grandmother had two brothers in the army of Kolchak, because they were just shaved into her and that’s all. After the defeat, they went to the service of the Red Army.

[Cresta999]

So your relatives are traitors. And there is nothing to be proud of!

[shasherin_pavel]

The White Guard, supported by foreign currency, provided us with a civil war, but how to divide it into civilian and Japanese intervention in the Far East, England in the Far North, and the French in Odessa. For the loss of territory, thank the Menshevik Trotsky, who, contrary to Lenin’s order, signed the Peace of Brest.

[lg41]

The French, Americans, Japanese, British sharply retreated from the territory of the Russian Empire, as soon as the gold of Russia came to the Czechs. The White Guards remained face to face with the Red Army to sort things out.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Impoverishment? Lose territories?
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in fact, all these are consequences of the February revolution

[Lopatov]

So they signed the Brest peace? Or did the USSR collapse? Something you have with the history of trouble

[Lone wolf]

Shovels Today, 10: 46 ↑ New
What did she give? Civil war? Impoverishment? Lose territories?

Sorry, I didn’t understand what kind of loss of territories ?? Territories began to lose not in civilian territory but after 1991 ,,, Damn the communists damned by all the Bolsheviks, saved and restored, and even added everything that was inherited from tsarism that they hated so much and the brainworm of ebn with its gang of liberals and democrats has corrupted everything, for which Russian a soldier shed blood for centuries. The RUSSIAN Empire and even the USSR were called the EMPIRE, although evil they recognized the heir to the tsarist empire. YES BREAK DO NOT BUILD

[Cresta999]

Here we are talking about the revolution (February and October). Therefore, people write about the loss of territories and other misfortunes. And you mix together the USSR and the revolution. It is not right. The result of the revolution was to be the absence of our homeland. What Stalin managed to do is a miracle. Both economic and political. And there is not a drop in the merit of the very revolution in this miracle. Learn the story.

[horseradish]

Hunger? robberies? sheer poverty? the power of the Jews from the Politburo? gold accounts of revolutionaries in Swiss banks? the genocide of the Russian People by the hands of foreigners of the Chonovites? Latvians? many of whom later fought in the SS?

[Ascetic]

Quote: gunya

Until the people's memory is erased from the October Revolution and what it gave to the people, no artificially invented "days of unity" will become a holiday, just another day off.

The October Revolution became the February epilogue. And February came largely thanks to act of national betrayal then elites. The same people's militia was again an answer to high treason, who surrendered Moscow as a Pole and placed the prince Vladislav on the throne. Well, the "democratic revolution" of 1991 and the Belovezhskaya agreements were also a consequence of act of national betrayal tops of the party apparatus. Attitude to e
This holiday is difficult because initially it was imposed by the Yeltsin oligarchic gang as a replacement for November 7 and the purpose of its introduction was not historical but ideological in line with desovetization. Then the parades were canceled, the banner of Victory, everything went to the point that after a generation they dreamed of canceling or renaming Victory Day.
Now they are actively promoting the slogan of reconciliation, conventionally speaking, "red" and "white" under the slogan of national unity, but what kind of reconciliation can be if they cancel historical dates and replace them with others. In no case can you cancel Soviet holidays and symbols and replace them with others. At the same time, it is necessary to restore the historical memory of pre-revolutionary Russia, we must be proud of both the Soviet past and the Imerian one, it cannot be separated. Otherwise, it turns out that we push the Soviet holiday aside and celebrate the Orthodox one under the guise of a state one. Indeed, in France, it would never occur to anyone to cancel the Bastille Day and remove the Marseillaise as the country's anthem, although there was no less blood and terror after this revolution.

[horseradish]

as if the betrayal of February can justify the sin of October by Judah, the faithful communists will touch me, they bring facts to them, all the worse for facts, ideological cracking is more important to them

[Ascetic]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

faithful communists touch me, they bring facts to them, all the worse for facts, ideological rattle is more important to them

Easier to label than to understand the essence of the above. And interestingly,

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

Hunger? robberies? sheer poverty? the power of the Jews from the Politburo? gold accounts of revolutionaries in Swiss banks? the genocide of the Russian People by the hands of foreigners of the Chonovites? Latvians? many of whom later fought in the SS?

I hear similar theses from representatives of that part of the “Russian March” who position themselves as professional “nationalists” (Potkin, Demushkin and Co.), the curators of these movements are the same “gussies” on the suction of the State Department, in particular, Mr. Belkovsky and thugs with SIP. The goal is clear to close the Russian movement on marginal nationalism and anti-Semitism that would be its complete discrediting and radicalization. roughly like the Right Sector in Ukraine, by the way controlled by the same Jewish oligarchy.

There are already THREE in Moscow today !! "Russian March"
In the center (on Tverskaya) will be “Official” “Russian March”organized by official
parliamentary parties. In Lublin there will be a march of the so-called "Nationalists" about which it is said above
lots of
of which are against NEW Russia. This march was supported by Ukrainian nationalists.
This march is called the “Russian March-South”.

At the “October Field” gather organizations that support New Russia.
This march is called the “Russian March for New Russia” or “Russian March-North”.
I. Strelkov calls to come to this march, although the event is also ambiguous and controversial
He was asked this question at the “Forum”:
Response

“I believe that I am acting correctly. If patriots ready to go on the “Russian march”,
only the “Potkino-Demushka party” with the slogans “banduputin support!” will be offered no alternative. and “zadinuukrayna!”, then they will all end up there. We must fight for youth. And then one day, not the most beautiful, in the trenches “on our side of the front,” as in the Donbass, there will be entirely 40 (and older) -year-old uncles,
which will be attacked by their own children with the emblems of the “Right Sector” and with jelly instead of brains. “

As a result, I will repeat myself again recently, our opponents have made a bet on the "patriotic and national" movement with the aim of destabilizing the government and overthrowing the Putin regime, which is unwanted by the West.

[Turkir]

Potkin, Demushkin and Co.

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Why was the fascist march allowed at all?
And this is in a country that has suffered the most in Europe.
I don’t understand this.
This is insulting to me.
And this is at a time when the best sons of Russia are dying.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Stas + definitely

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: gunya

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

there is no holiday on the streets, and no one congratulates friends.

Until the October Revolution is erased from the people's memory and what it has given to the people, no artificially invented "days of unity" will become a holiday, just another weekend.

plus ... what can I add? 7th note ... as always though.

[shasherin_pavel]

Then leave the eight-hour working day, introduced by the Provisional Government, and paid vacations, free medical care, seniority and disability pensions will have to be reintroduced. We have already started talking about a four-day working week with the preservation of earnings. But again, a mistake turns out: the four-day working week was introduced by the communists in order to remove the "Labor Exchange" and unemployment. But they also introduced a 4-hour shift. So now no government can surpass the communists, only a two-hour shift and a three-day working week.

[saber1357]

Why is it "erased" to make it a new one, or what? Do not erase anything, especially from memory, otherwise in a circle

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Egoza

Just remembered on November 7th! That was a HOLIDAY!

how are you right uv.elena! I simply did not say that.

[shasherin_pavel]

But what is interesting is that the Poles left the Kremlin after the signing of the peace on the night of November 6-7 or October 24-25, and on October 22 they took Kitai-Gorod, which, although located on the map next to the Kremlin, was originally built for foreign and other faithful merchants. So the question arises: why was it not to determine the holiday for November 7? And now it is "a parade in memory of the parade in 41 years." And on the day of national unity do not divide the people. To celebrate three holidays in one day: the Day of the overthrow of the boyar-Polish government, the overthrow of the capitalist regime and the parade of 41. That would be the Day of the unity of the people and history.

[Lukich]

Quote: Egoza

Mosfilm posted for free viewing more than 500 Soviet films

and it’s not so long ago that I watched these films on TV ...)

[Glowworm]

I agree, until May 9 he is very far away.

[horseradish]

I don’t see the connection, it is compared to the day when the brackets, blanks and other Rosenfelds took power

[shasherin_pavel]

In the government of the RSFSR until 1919 there was only 25% JEWS, which included Trotsky, who, for all his sins in front of people, was ordered to be furious by the ice ax on Stalin's orders. And then the democrats put the blame on Stalin. And if Trotsky were convicted in court of the destruction of the creator of the First Horse Dybenko, the treacherous death of Chapaev, the betrayal of Sorokin on the Southern Front. What sentence would he be given?

[DRA-88]

An absolutely far-fetched holiday! What kind of unity can I have with the oligarchs, ugh!

[The point]

Which one? One is boiled pork with baked fish, the other is gnawing crackers, and on average everyone eats dumplings.

[Black]

Quote: DRA-88

An absolutely far-fetched holiday!

Support.
A public holiday should awaken a historical memory and fill with pride.
November 4, I remember - that there is nothing special to be proud of.
Unity with the rich = you can still be patient ... many have distinguished themselves with their intelligence and talent ... but how to unite with the "South March" ????

[horseradish]

so he is Church and Family, a tick in the party committee does not require anyone

[shasherin_pavel]

It is the church, not the state, Day of the icon of the Kazan Mother of God. Do you celebrate your birthday three days earlier? So after all, the peace with the Poles was signed on the night of 6-7 (24-25 October), so what holiday is 4 (22 October) Anyway, Victory Day was celebrated on May 1, when the Nazis surrendered in the Reichstag. And not on May 9, when the surrender was signed. Double standards are obtained.

[anip]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

it is strange that congratulations at the "media" level ... there is no holiday on the streets, and no one from friends congratulates ... so far, the holiday does not pull on a "holiday".

And for a long time he will not "pull" to the holiday. The unity of whom with whom? Ordinary people with Abramovich, Sechin, Putin ?? No, thank you.
That November 7 was a holiday. This day is still a holiday for me. And November 4 is the day off, an attempt to replace November 7 so that people forget, thanks to which and to whom the majority of the population rose from slavery, poverty and dirt.

[shasherin_pavel]

Not correctly called "hrenmnesredkoy in the back seat." The nickname itself is already an insult to all participants.

[shasherin_pavel]

I completely agree with anip, what happened in the first years after the revolution is the consequences of the imperfection of the system, but what it gave for me from 1959 to the present day, this is the main thing for me. If you count by the first years after the "coup", as some write, the current government will not be washed for a century and another fifteen years, hunger, impoverishment, massive suicides, squandering of territories, destruction of the army, destruction of the space industry, almost cut "nuclear echelons ", cut 50% of the Tu-160 ....

[PSih2097]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

it is strange that congratulations at the "media" level ... there is no holiday on the streets, and no one from friends congratulates ... so far, the holiday does not pull on a "holiday".

Either 7 November...

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

do not attribute to the Jewish coup what he did not commit

What year are you from? You were born in the days of the USSR or the Russian Federation, never talk about what you do not know.

[Lopatov]

You also obviously did not find the time from 1917 until Stalin came to power

[shasherin_pavel]

But in perestroika they shook off the most, do not indulge, do not worry, my grandfather was baptized in heaven and said: "Chur me, he died in time! God forbid such a shame to survive!" Without a war, corpses were piled up in the morgues.

[Lopatov]

Perestroika, which was launched by commies in order to remain in power.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Spade

You also obviously did not find the time from 1917 until Stalin came to power

and you look at the funeral of Stalin on YouTube ... and compare with the current leaders from the authorities ...
and Lopatov, decided on the flag ... And then aki homeless ...

[Vadim2013]

On the streets and in houses of Russia this holiday is not celebrated, since it can be a unity between the people and those who parasitize on the people's wealth and on raising prices for all goods, using all sorts of reasons. Law enforcement agencies in Russia protect mainly the authorities and for bribing others. Now nobody has attacked Russia, the power in Russia is crushing any opposition. At present, there can be no unity in Russia.

[Lopatov]

Not yet celebrated. Just as they did not immediately begin to celebrate many holidays. May 9 included

[RUSS]

Quote: Spade

Not yet celebrated. Just as they did not immediately begin to celebrate many holidays. May 9 included

Victory Day-Introduced in 1945, until 1948 was a non-working day.

It was first widely celebrated in the USSR only two decades later, already under Brezhnev. In the same anniversary year of 1965, Victory Day again became non-working.

[Interface]

A dumb holiday, the same as June 12.
They thought that people should forget November 7.

[Rastas]

Because the real holiday will be in 3 days - the day of the Great October Socialist Revolution !!!!! And now what unity can a simple doctor or engineer have with some Rotenberg?

[lichide]

It's just that for modern guardsmen Minin and Pozharsky are not "handshake" figures. These surnames associatively lead to the surname Colonel Kvachkov, and he is now in a prison. The picture with the holiday does not stick together.

[saber1357]

Well, it might not have congratulated you, Andrei Yurich ... I, personally, have been congratulated several times today!

[RUSS]

Orthodox! Happy Kazan Icon of the Mother of God.

[SRC P-15]

I consider National Unity Day to be a real holiday when the torn pieces of the former Great Country come together in a single whole. And when there will be no oligarchs who are sick of it, but the main thing in the country, there will be a man of labor! When a person feels unity with power, when everyone in the country will have one goal - the prosperity of his beloved Motherland!

[DRA-88]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

When a person feels unity with power, when everyone in the country will have one goal - the prosperity of his beloved Motherland!

This is just the beginning!!!!!

[RUSS]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

causes an analogy with the Russian militia attacking the Polish hussars near Moscow! stop heroizing the citizen!

[DRA-88]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

causes an analogy with the Russian militia attacking the Polish hussars near Moscow! stop heroizing the citizen!

Entente unleashed a civil war! And why not heroize the victory over the invaders?

[Lopatov]

Quote: DRA-88

Entente unleashed a civil war

Hello, we arrived ... Even Soviet historiography did not think of such a thing

[DRA-88]

Quote: Spade

Hello, we arrived ... Even Soviet historiography did not think of such a thing

On December 3, 1917, a special conference was convened with the participation of the United States, Britain, France and its allied countries, at which a decision was made to delimit zones of interests in the territories of the former Russian Empire and establish contacts with national democratic governments. The Caucasus and Cossack regions were designated the zone of influence of England, France - Ukraine and Crimea. On January 1, 1918, Japan introduced its warships in the port of Vladivostok under the pretext of protecting its subjects.

[Lopatov]

And it was precisely this that made the Bolsheviks shoot the demonstration of the workers of the Izhora plant in Kolpino?

Or the shooting of a demonstration in St. Petersburg in support of the Regular Assembly by Latvians led by Uritsky?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Spade

And it was precisely this that made the Bolsheviks shoot the demonstration of the workers of the Izhora plant in Kolpino?

Or the shooting of a demonstration in St. Petersburg in support of the Regular Assembly by Latvians led by Uritsky?

Have you personally witnessed ??? or as dill about the Black Sea and the mountains of the Caucasus write ...

[Turkir]

Right. I like people who are interested in their own history.
Whatever she is. The truth is more expensive.

[saag]

Quote: Spade

Hello, we arrived ... Even Soviet historiography did not think of such a thing

By the way, who organized the revolt of the white whites?

[Lopatov]

Like who? The Bolsheviks by their actions. Just as with the Cossacks, the "Soviet" power turned them into enemies. And in both cases, Trotsky's ears were sticking out behind it.

[saag]

Quote: Spade

Like who? Bolsheviks by their actions.

How did they sit there in the depths of Russia, like prisoners of war, what actions of the Bolsheviks provoked them, the Bolsheviks did not promise them anything, so that they could make claims

[Lopatov]

Quote: saag

How, they sat there in the depths of Russia, like prisoners

Good morning ... What the fuck are prisoners? In 1914, the First Czechoslovak Rifle Regiment, in 1916 the Czechoslovak Brigade of three-regiment, In 1917 the 1st Hussite Rifle Division, then the 50-thousandth Czechoslovak Corps. He was part of the Russian army. To his rebellion led the order of Trotsky to disarm the corps.

[saag]

Quote: Spade

In 1914, the First Czechoslovak Rifle Regiment

In 1914 it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, ".... Czechoslovak units were formed in Russia during the 1st World War 1914-18 from prisoners of war of the Austro-Hungarian army and Russian subjects of Czech nationality. After the October Revolution of 1917, under the influence of representatives The Entente command of the corps carried out anti-Soviet propaganda among the soldiers, declared the corps part of the French army and demanded that the Soviet government send it to Western Europe.In the second half of March 2, the main forces of the corps left Ukraine; only Czechoslovak internationalists remained, who fought against the Austro-German invaders in On March 1918, 26, the Soviet government decided to evacuate the Czechoslovak troops through Vladivostok, subject to the delivery of the bulk of the weapons to the local Soviets.However, at a meeting in Chelyabinsk on May 1918, the corps command, representatives of the Entente and the Right Social Revolutionaries, it was decided to revolt. Soviet government allegedly ordered to stop trains, disarm soldiers and confine them in POW camps; the corps command urged the soldiers to break through to Vladivostok by force of arms. "TSB

[shasherin_pavel]

Quote: saag

the corps command urged the soldiers to break through to Vladivostok by force of arms. "TSB

And captured part of the gold reserves of Russia in Chita.

[Lopatov]

AND? Does this somehow refute my words?

[Cenij150814]

Quote: Spade

Just like with the Cossacks, they turned them into enemies

You ascribe to the Bolsheviks the supernatural abilities of a kind of "Fairy Godmother", the Cossacks themselves put themselves in this framework when they chose one of the parties to the "conflict" (it's fair to say that not all of them), of course, their reasons for that were not primarily selfish, so you'll see Today, you are amazed at their disguised descendants, sometimes the "Cossacks" demand to recognize their nationality, then they want to impose a tribute for the fact that you see their ancestors mastered "these lands", as they say, "Gena has bad genes."

[Lopatov]

The Bolsheviks even managed to shoot Mironov, a Cossack who was completely and completely on their side. Why? Because he was a Cossack, and Lev Davidovich did not like them.

Quote: Cenij150814

so look today at their mummers

What, damn it, the descendants of those who were killed?

[Cenij150814]

Quote: Spade

What, damn it, the descendants of those who were killed?

1) Did you kill us?
2) Are they like "vampires", in the event of the death of the one who "converted" them also die?

[Normal]

Quote: Spade

to shoot even Mironov

Do not shoot and kill.

Quote: Spade

Cossack, who was completely and completely on their side. Why? Because he was a Cossack, and Lev Davidovich did not like them.

Didn’t you hear anything about razachachivanie?
Have you heard anything about Makhno?
Have you heard anything about the struggle for power?

I am not inclined to idealize the Bolsheviks. The blood on them is beyond measure and Trotsky is an example of this.
But I consider it impossible to deny history for the sake of personal addictions. Such was the situation that had developed thanks not to Trotsky and Lenin; they just took advantage of it and not only in their personal interests.
I propose to leave the story alone. All that was - was not just like that, at the arbitrariness of certain individuals, but as a result of the prevailing conditions. All the same, we can’t change anything, and it’s easy to defraud.
Let's argue and argue not about what happened, but about what is happening now.
We can (if we want) change the present, and the past is beyond our control.

[Interface]

1. You simply did not read Soviet textbooks well.
2. Apparently, you in the phrase "Soviet historiography" which "even" put a dismissive connotation?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Interface

1. You simply did not read Soviet textbooks well.

And there is about the fact that the Entente began the Civil War? Try to find. Until such a frank game, even they did not slide.

[shasherin_pavel]

Bye! leave, you will pass by - go on, you are not welcome here! "Decree on Peace" was issued for the first time in the world by the Soviet government (multi-party government of the Soviets) are there other examples before in history? No! Who declared a peaceful existence with neighbors and began to disband the army, creating a militia. And now they are also accused of starting a war. When the Poles tried to raise the issue of Katyn, they were reminded of the Polish camps, where 135 thousand Red Army soldiers perished in hellish conditions. Poland tried to make excuses that she was destroying the invaders, but it didn’t work for them, as Europe !!! explained to them that the Red Army men had appeared near Warsaw as a result of a counterattack, repelling the Polish invasion of the territory of the RSFSR, and not vice versa.

[shasherin_pavel]

This militia attacked the Poles, and the Poles defended themselves. If you read the world's historians, then the Polish hussars were not praised by any of the Polish allies, and they were despised by opponents. Find at least one prominent Polish politician who would not curse his Polish people at the end of his life!

[Nina Czerny]

And non-Orthodox, what congratulations? In a multiconfessional, and in many ways atheistic, country, it is impossible to impose an Orthodox holiday under the guise of a nationwide one, supposedly secular (under the Constitution). Moreover, the Kremlin was taken anyway on November 7, and only 4 the storming began.

[gunya]

Nina Cherney RU  Today, 10:08 ↑ New


And non-Orthodox, what congratulations? In a multiconfessional, and in many ways atheistic, country, it is impossible to impose an Orthodox holiday under the guise of a nationwide one, supposedly secular (under the Constitution). Moreover, the Kremlin was taken anyway on November 7, and only 4 the storming began.

And the dates in the old or new style?

[shasherin_pavel]

October 22, according to the old style, they took Kitai Gorod = November 4 according to the new,

[RUSS]

Quote: Nina Cerny

And non-Orthodox, what congratulations?

With nothing, I’ll congratulate Ramadan or Paisakh, and atheists will have a holiday in 3 days, well, something like that ......

[Rastas]

“Why are they making holes in the ancient cathedral? - Because for a hundred years here an obese priest, hiccuping, took bribes and sold vodka "- A. Blok. Why did your priests and priests of all stripes not defend simple humiliated and disadvantaged? Why did they glorify the beginning of the war with Japan and WWI when Christ taught philanthropy and resisted any murder? Because the priests always defended the interests of those who were supported. And the common man was told - pray, endure, all power from God.

[horseradish]

blah, blah, blah, look at Europe and rejoice "non-Orthodox"

[battery]

e there is nothing Orthodox so that in the Great Patriotic War everyone who could both Muslims and Orthodox and atheists and many others and then restored the country, too, or did you decide to rewrite history like dill they fought only Orthodox, and the rest were on the stove? let's remember that in the country there were most atheists who raised science with industry. If you have faith, it’s not a flag in the parade, don’t wave it to others, it may also have it and they don’t agree with you, but they’ll be silent about it, let’s be in that question correct and polite.

[shasherin_pavel]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

rejoice "non-Orthodox"

Two years ago cattle was banned, falsehood in Germany, last year a ban on livestock, Sweden introduced the falsehood, now everyone goes to Denmark’s cowsheds. The proposal, as they say, is not agreed, but the moderator does not miss it otherwise.

[shasherin_pavel]

4 captured Kitay Gorod, dooming the Poles in the Kremlin to starvation. Once in the Kremlin without food and water, the Poles signed a peace agreement in exchange for a safe exit from the Kremlin.

[horseradish]

And really! Our forefathers always celebrated her intercession in victory!

[horseradish]

how cute unchrist attack

[DRA-88]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

unchrist attack

Stop trolling !!!!

[shasherin_pavel]

November 4 celebrates the intercession of enemies of the Virgin!

[siberalt]

Somehow the Poles were invited, and then they also became invaders. Too zealously started to get used to it and got it. We still cannot get rid of the EBN invitees. A holy place is never empty. But who denies him, betraying the people? On the other hand, the French still celebrate the "capture of the Bastille". Why did they remove our 7 November? To forget who WE are?

[Mahmut]

But the Poles did not forget to congratulate.

[ia-ai00]

... by and large, the day is not as important as the fact of unity.

Absolutely right! The fact of UNITY is important, which we see in today's Russia!
Happy holiday, Russia!

[parafoiler]

WHILE WE ARE ONE, WE ARE UNBEATABLE !!! Happy National Unity !!!

[Starover_Z]

There will be a Day of reunion with the Crimea! Happy holiday, Russians!

[MIV999]

God willing, there will be a Day of Reunion with the Donbass

[shasherin_pavel]

Day of Ossetia, Day of Abkhazia, Day of Crimea, Day of Chechnya, Day of New Russia, and Day of Return of the Kuril Islands, give Russia Unity Day, but November 7th.

[Lone wolf]

shasherin_pavel RU Today, 16:51 ↑ New
Day of Ossetia, Day of Abkhazia, Day of Crimea, Day of Chechnya, Day of New Russia, and Day of Return of the Kuril Islands, give Russia Unity Day, but November 7th.

And why only Russia ??? Let November 7 be the day of the October Revolution !! The day when our great-grandfathers felt and understood SLAVES ARE NOT WE, SLAVES ARE NOT. Happy October Revolution comrades! and gentlemen went to the bath

[RUSS]

Quote: Starover_Z

There will be a Day of reunion with the Crimea! Happy holiday, Russians!

And with New Russia!

[vostok sibiri]

"Today the relevance of this unity is high as never before in all recent years."

- That's right, only in a fist can we withstand both an external threat and an internal one, in the form of all these "columns".
Happy Holidays!

[Sirocco]

All the same, this holiday is not a holiday for the older generation, my neighbors are people of the older generation, they don’t even recognize it, well, and I also have nothing to hide. The holiday of our generation is November 7th. As long as we are alive, it will be so. Well, on November 4, we also celebrate without enthusiasm. Let’s say a little, how in the school years the whole class went to demonstrations, how they first went out with their parents to this holiday, how then they themselves participated in these demonstrations with their company, and how then they all noted it. Here it is good old.

[Blondy]

This is exactly some kind of imposed holiday. And our holidays were taken away from us. Smells a cat whose fat has eaten. Not all and not all, it turns out, can be promoted.

[The point]

Quote: Darek

Quote: Blondy

This is exactly some kind of imposed holiday. And our holidays were taken away from us. Smells a cat whose fat has eaten. Not all and not all, it turns out, can be promoted.

It feels like the Blonde really wrote.

Well, I'm not a blonde at all, but I partially agree with her opinion. And you somehow express yourself incomprehensibly. Are you a latent blond?

[shasherin_pavel]

And you my friend, Darek, not a gentleman! Wild West cowboys would have pulled you up to a bitch.

[horseradish]

exactly, precisely and with the people you are out of luck

[horseradish]

Your choice, just looking at the revolution in Kiev, personally, I strongly doubt the authenticity of the "revolutions of 17" and their true motives, but I will note this is your choice

[shasherin_pavel]

In vain, put the cons: here a person expressed his opinion, for this they do not minus. The whole difference is that the political parties almost slept through the coup on November 7, because it was a popular uprising, but which was turned from chaos into a controlled movement to the Winter Palace. It was then that everyone was trying to prove their superiority over other parties. That's the difference in these two cases, one started in the wake of popular anger, the other was organized for money with the $ sign.

[saag]

Quote: Sirocco

The holiday of our generation is November 7th

Well, then we will congratulate then :-)

[horseradish]

I'm sorry with what? Congratulate? With the start of the Civil War? losing a step from Victory in the Second World War (Great) warrior? Actually laying the inevitability of World War II? Section Russia into pieces? Including ukroinsky? Sorry for the harshness, but think about it, and please refrain from the slogans.
although it’s your business, I’m not Ukrainian tea

[Sirocco]

What is the essence of your claims?

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

I'm sorry with what? Congratulate? With the start of the Civil War?

What gloomy memories do you have, probably participated in these events? You ask the older generation what they celebrated? I do not remember the slogans, long live the First World War, long live the division of Russia. Go down to the ground. With such an approach as yours, and May 9 do not have to celebrate. In all these events, there was unity and unity of the people. Does it turn out like in a joke about Vovochka, in a parish school, Vovochka asks the Clerk, they say, what is the easiest, what is the hardest? Vovochka answered all these Questions, saying, fu, I will not quote his justification. But the Clerk said that with such justifications you will reduce the BIBLE to a member. So with you, look for the bright and the good. There were a lot of such things in the USSR. Thanks to this state, we celebrate today 4 Nov. Instead of Maidan as in Ukraine, and do not use democratic values ​​as in Iraq with Libya.

[horseradish]

And he himself went to demonstrations, and I remember these holidays until I went to my grandfather's homeland, and bowed to the graves of relatives on the Don, shot by order of the Commissioner (guess what nationality) Latvians, including women and babies, and the armless St. George cavalier was also shot, I remember my grandmother's "pension" earned in the field and on the farm, I remember the selected peasant allotment, I remember how from the age of 6 I plowed in the garden, what would have been something to eat, and save money on clothes, I remember how in the early 80s I went to my relatives in Mariupol and fucking from how they lived, even more fucking when I read the statistics of Nenko's subsidies from the RSFSR, I remember everything, this "empire" on the contrary, when the "drunken Russian Vanka" plowed and lived in poverty
I won’t put a minus either, I don’t like this thing, I’m Russian tea

[PSih2097]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

I feel that today you’ll leave in the negative ... I wish you the admiral's epaulettes (with skulls like eagles) ...

[Cenij150814]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

cast a blind eye on the betrayal of Russia

Excuse me, citizen, what do you mean by the word Russia ?, without d.u.rakov you just want to understand!

[PSih2097]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

how scary
the communists never love when they, like kittened kittens, shove their muzzle in their slippers, Marxite spells replace their conscience and blind their eyes to Russia's betrayal, they think that the cookies of the General Staff of the Reichswehr are better than the cookies of the State Department, naive

Yes, I feel sorry for you, and you yourself are miserable, because you will be dressed on a pole (not a stake), with your worldview ...

[saag]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

I'm sorry with what?

Well, if you are not in the know with the Great October Socialist Revolution :-)

[horseradish]

yah? here the leaders are craps, gentlemen, spies, the blank and the arm bracket called it a simple-coup

[DRA-88]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

yah? here the leaders are craps, gentlemen, spies, the blank and the arm bracket called it a simple-coup

On what basis now Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev are fornication,
claiming that the Party and its Central Committee "hide" Lenin's "will"? Fornicate with your tongue
"you can", but you must know when to stop.
(“Trotskyist Opposition Before and Now,” Vol. 10, p. 173.)

[Lone wolf]

fucking rare RU Today, 08:09 ↑
I'm sorry with what? Congratulate? With the start of the Civil War? losing a step from Victory in the Second World War (Great) warrior? Actually laying the inevitability of World War II? Section Russia into pieces? Including ukroinsky? Sorry for the harshness, but think about it, and please refrain from the slogans.
although it’s your business, I’m not Ukrainian tea

Well, I'm Ukrainian, but I won’t jump ... did it become easier for you?

[saag]

Unity is not an end in itself, Minin and Pozharsky united the people in the struggle against an outside force, but what is the people of Russia united against, for what or for what ???
"... About 31% of respondents said that in Russia every man for himself"

I would say that almost everyone, until someone starts to overwhelm someone else's problems, he will say that he is one with the others, as soon as it happens that the reality will be slightly different, the ideology of money separates people

[horseradish]

this is whom to interview and how to formulate a survey

[PSih2097]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

this is whom to interview and how to formulate a survey

November 7 was always the red day of the calendar — the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution. Throughout Russia in all cities and towns this day will be celebrated as the day of the liberation of the peoples of Russia from tsarist oppression, the mediocrity of Nikolai the Bloody, who lost three wars, dishonored the Russian people and cowardly renounced power. The Russian people, under the leadership of the leader of the world proletariat Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, threw out the bloody mediocrity and gave: Earth to the peasants. Factories to the workers. Power to the Soviets of People's Deputies of Workers. And what is November 4?

And this is the opposite of November 7th.

1612 from the Poles
1812 from Napoleon
2012 from ????

this is a bourgeois holiday: "until November 7, three more days !!"

No)) This is a state hint of a binge from 4 to 7)))

1612 from the Poles
1812 from Napoleon
2012 from ????
- From the global flood)))

Well, etc.

[saag]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

this is whom to interview and how to formulate a survey

Do you feel your unity with the same citizens of the Russian Federation as Navalny, Ponomarev, Gudkov, Yashin and others ???

[horseradish]

why should I feel unity with commissar-grandchildren-great-grandchildren?

[saag]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

why should I feel unity with commissar-grandchildren-great-grandchildren?

Because the indication from the vertical of power was, at today's number

[PSih2097]

Quote: saag

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

why should I feel unity with commissar-grandchildren-great-grandchildren?

Because the indication from the vertical of power was, at today's number

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write PS

About himself writes: anti-socialist

Well, at the place of birth and the nature of the statements - a gay man who slanted from the army ...

[Igor F.]

As for "unity" ukrohunty with "tolerant" Europe and the United States, it turns out like an anecdote, moreover, not funny !! Well, imagine a country constantly begging for handouts from the master's table .. In the form of loans .. Moreover, it is necessary to give creditors already with interest! Self-proclaimed rulers somehow do not think about it, but it should be worth it! Sooner or later, the common people of Ukraine will understand that they are being led on a short leash .. And I am sure that they will not sit on the "throne" for long!

[Tor hummer]

Happy Holidays!
Glory to Russia!

[vladsolo56]

What are we celebrating? AND? Unity? stunned, what unity? Is it I celebrating unity with our oligarchs and officials? or are they with me? Is this yumarina like that? Do you give noodles to your ears for free? or is it also necessary to pay for it? Well, awesome holiday, a cat with a mouse.

[RUSS]

Quote: vladsolo56

What are we celebrating? AND? Unity? stunned, what unity? Is it I celebrating unity with our oligarchs and officials? or they are with me

Stop whining today HOLIDAY! Yours will probably be on the 7 of November, then celebrate.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: RUSS

Stop whining today HOLIDAY! Yours will probably be on the 7 of November, then celebrate.

The evil spirits from the Russian national holiday are writhing. So they rave.

[vladsolo56]

Wickedness is you, if you are celebrating what? the unity of which there is not, which you have come up with, and for which you are raging.

[DRA-88]

Quote: RUSS

Stop whining today HOLIDAY!

Which ?????????

Quote: RUSS

Your apparently will be November 7th, then celebrate.

Of course we will celebrate! And it will not be possible to erase from the people’s memory the Feast of the Victory of the Workers over the darkness and obscurantism of capitalism!

[Tor hummer]

Quote: DRA-88

Of course we will celebrate! And it will not be possible to erase from the people’s memory the Feast of the Victory of the Workers over the darkness and obscurantism of capitalism!

4 November is the day of the liberation of Moscow, by the Russian militia led by Minin and Pozharsky, from the Polish-Lithuanian invaders. This day also symbolizes the end of the turmoil and the beginning of the revival of Russia.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Tor Hummer

This day also symbolizes the end of the turmoil and the beginning of the revival of Russia.

But did the troubles end ??? 23 anniversary of troubles ???


Shl.October 26 (November 8) 1612 Poles surrendered and left the Kremlin. Budila and his regiment fell into the camp of Pozharsky, and all remained alive.
Struck with the regiment came to Trubetskoy, and the Cossacks exterminated all the Poles.October 27 (November 9) 1612 was appointed a ceremonial entrance to the Kremlin troops of the princes Pozharsky and Trubetskoy. When the troops gathered at Lobny Mesto, Archimandrite of the Trinity-Sergius Monastery Dionysius performed a solemn prayer in honor of the victory of the militias. Then, to the sound of bells, the winners, accompanied by the people, entered the Kremlin with banners and banners.
Wiki

[DRA-88]

Quote: Tor Hummer

You Bolsheviks have been muddying Russia for a century and tormenting the Russian people.

I am very proud that you ranked me among the Bolsheviks!

[Tor hummer]

Ukronazis are also very proud when they are called "Bandera"))))
True, when retribution comes to them, for some reason they renounce Bandera and swear and swear that they are for all good and against all bad and that they love very Russian people. With your codla will also be))))))

[vladsolo56]

when there is nothing to say, when the mind is not enough for more, some call for the help of the Bandera Ukronatsists.

[horseradish]

Vee my friend Pole as Dzerzhinsky? or a Jew as a bronshtein with Yeshua? Latvian as Peters? no? to remind the difference between gay and pi ... sa?

[saag]

Quote: DRA-88

I am very proud that you ranked me among the Bolsheviks!

And I was even earlier ranked among the communists, although as they wrote earlier in the questionnaires - "I was not," earlier it was done by the leaders of the district committees, and now they are clearly anti-Soviet, what a grimace of fate :-)

[vladsolo56]

And you are not a people, in fact, you must be more modest. The people are just those who stood against you, and will stand

[battery]

e there in the hold, a question from the history of who first launched the artificial satellite of the earth and man into space who raised the backward industry of Russia to world standards and who created the world's best defensive power (the so-called nuclear shield and sword of Russia) answers:
itself has grown
ROC and God gave
USSR led by the Bolsheviks
aliens see arsa

[Cenij150814]

Quote: Battory

called the nuclear shield and sword of Russia) answers:

eeeee Orthodox aliens

[horseradish]

yeah, apparently the vokka himself kicked the blank satellite, recall who made the rocket? Korolev, for higher education once in his life he called himself a Ukrainian, Russians to higher education were not allowed in the 20s

[Turkir]

Russians to higher education in the 20s were not allowed

Where does such interesting information come from?
I am collecting interesting facts.

[RUSS]

Quote: DRA-88

Which ?????????

Do not write or ask stupid questions.

[RUSS]

Quote: DRA-88

Of course we will celebrate! And it will not be possible to erase from the people’s memory the Feast of the Victory of the Workers over the darkness and obscurantism of capitalism!

The generation will change and itself will be erased from memory, now for most youth November 7th is no longer a holiday, whether you like it or not, it’s true, but for me it’s mourning date!

[DRA-88]

Quote: RUSS

The generation will change and itself will be erased from memory, now for the majority of young people November 7 is no longer a holiday

Do you want to erase from Our memory how my great-grandfathers defeated the traitors and murderers of Kolchak, Denikin, and the interventionists?
Do you want to erase from memory a parade dedicated to the anniversary of the October Revolution of 1941, from which my grandfather left to defend Moscow?
You won’t succeed!

[DRA-88]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

and by the way do not hysteria, THAT PARADE is celebrated every year!

Only subtext is not voiced.

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

Victory of whom?

Soviet power!

[Tor hummer]

Quote: DRA-88

Soviet power!

Soviet power won in 1991 !!! So celebrate overpower.

[The point]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Soviet power in 1991 won !!!

And I thought that was the victory of the Washington Regional Committee.

[Lopatov]

Quote: DRA-88

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

Victory of whom?

Soviet power!

Exactly. Not the people, but the authorities

[horseradish]

the power of blanks, brackets, Yeshua, Rosenfelds, Dzerzhinsky, Peters and other Russophobes? do you call it victory?
subtext? Do you want people to take up the pitchfork? and staged another Holocaust?

[saag]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

and by the way do not hysteria, THAT PARADE is celebrated every year!

Today, fashion has gone host parade sitting in chairs, what an absurdity

[RUSS]

Quote: DRA-88

You won’t succeed!

I don’t, but yes, time!

[vladsolo56]

For most young people and November 4 is not a holiday no matter how much you would like it.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: vladsolo56

For most young people and November 4 is not a holiday no matter how much you would like it.

Young people are looking for "spiritual bonds" and they find them in the history of their ancestors, the people who founded and raised Russia, from the size of Varangian Ladoga to the size of the largest and greatest empire in the world.
The Soviet period, with rare exceptions, causes only disgust, so it is perceived as a lost century.

[vladsolo56]

Are you still tired of blowing bubbles? pout and rejoice as it overflows. Yes, you do not know closely what he thinks and how young people live. She’s not looking for your silly fairy tales in history today, she’s looking for how to arrange her own life. And if you call youth into socialism, it will spit on you, and if you interfere, then it will kick you.

[horseradish]

what a truly Bolshevik argument! have you reached for a Nagan?

[vladsolo56]

do not hesitate the hand will not flinch.

[Cenij150814]

Quote: vladsolo56

do not hesitate the hand will not flinch.

And I will bring cartridges!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Quote: vladsolo56

For most young people and November 4 is not a holiday no matter how much you would like it.

Young people are looking for "spiritual bonds" and they find them in the history of their ancestors, the people who founded and raised Russia, from the size of Varangian Ladoga to the size of the largest and greatest empire in the world.
The Soviet period, with rare exceptions, causes only disgust, so it is perceived as a lost century.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Young people are looking for "spiritual bonds" and they find them in the history of their ancestors, the people who founded and raised Russia, from the size of Varangian Ladoga to the size of the largest and greatest empire in the world.

aha .. I see every evening! they go looking, they don't find, they thump, they find, they thump hard! and they walk, walk in crowds in search of "spiritual bonds" with a can of beer in their hand ...

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Tor Hummer

The Soviet period, with rare exceptions, causes only disgust, so it is perceived as a lost century.

I understand that. Your parents disgust you. It happens.

[The point]

Quote: RUSS

The generation will change and itself will be erased from memory, now for the majority of young people November 7 is no longer a holiday

Dear debaters! I will tell you a terrible secret. For youth, the holidays are now imposed through the media culture of Halloween and Valentine's Day, but, let’s say, many have never heard of Ivan Kupala. This is scary.
About my attitude to November 4 and 7. The first one did not become a holiday for me. Well, I do not feel unity with our government and the financial elite. With our "affordable" housing and medicine, it's time to crawl into the cemetery. November 7? Hmm, here, as they say, everything is ambiguous. This is a holiday from the era when people lived differently. Revolution or coup? In any case, it was a grandiose event that changed the life of Russia. Here just now one comrade wrote about the relatives who were shot by the commissars. I doubt the whites were furry as well. Wars, especially civil wars, are difficult trials.

[Lopatov]

Quote: DRA-88

Workers Victory Day

common sense. Funded by the German General Staff.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Spade

Quote: DRA-88

Workers Victory Day

common sense. Funded by the German General Staff.

Even this proverb is:
"Soviet power rests on Jewish brains, Latvian bayonets and Russian fools!"

[Tor hummer]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

and they in the set of words communist Russia choose communist, unlike us, who chose Russia, by the way a direct tracing-paper from modern law enforcement officers and svobodovets, and cf..t them to Russia

Yes, it is. All this pseudo-patriotic pack under the red banners, is nothing but the haters of Russia and all Russian. Moreover, in their hatred they can surpass so many.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tor Hummer

This whole pseudo-patriotic pack under the red banners

Do not distort. That was right up to the moment when the statesman Stalin came to power. And he eliminated the general people like Trotsky from power.

[horseradish]

because they are not Stalinists, although they call themselves so, they are true Leninists-Trotskyists-Khrushchevites, in real life they do not understand the difference between ideology and life

[saag]

Quote: Spade

That was right up to the moment when the statesman Stalin came to power.

He called himself a follower of V.I. Lenin :-) He was a member of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (what horror is that?)

[Lopatov]

He could call himself anything, even a follower of the Martians. But the fact remains: Trotsky and his companion were removed from power ...

[saag]

Quote: Spade

But the fact remains: Trotsky and his companion were removed from power ...

And Trotsky did not climb into power, he was the People's Commissar of Military Affairs and that was all, but Stalin removed everyone, according to the principle “he knew too much,” he was very afraid for his power, and the late Bekhterev (suddenly) diagnosed him with “paranoia” for a reason.

[Lopatov]

Quote: saag

But Trotsky did not climb into power

Y-yes ...

[Turkir]

This is not proven, I'm talking about the diagnosis allegedly made by Bekhterev.
At the rumor level.
Checked.

[Hleb]

By the way, what did the statesman Stalin say about the Revolution? about Lenin and the Revolution? I’m sure you know

[Lopatov]

What he was supposed to say.

[Hleb]

Well, agree, if you develop your thought "what he was supposed to say", then the conclusion will not look in favor of the people and Stalin personally by the way? you just understand this and will not develop it.
I personally think that he sincerely believed in the cause of Lenin and the Revolution. He showed this in words and deeds.
and so the question is, why do we need to turn over here what the Great did not go to, all the more so to argue and quarrel because of OUR history.

[horseradish]

So after all, it was they, these Bolshevichka Kaganovichs, who were discharged from the Lemberg Grushevsky, that it was they who began the mass suburbanization of Little Russia and New Russia, which is surprising here, the breed is such a Judas

[horseradish]

yeah, you can put a minus, but you can’t recognize the fact of the creation of Ukraine and the propaganda of Russophobian Ukrainians? on the Bolsheviks, the lion's share of the blood that is now pouring in New Russia

[Lopatov]

On the Bolsheviks, the lion's share of blame for all interethnic conflicts and for the collapse of the Empire on a national basis. Starting from Finland and ending with Chechnya.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Spade

On the Bolsheviks, the lion's share of blame for all interethnic conflicts and for the collapse of the Empire on a national basis. Starting from Finland and ending with Chechnya.

The Bolsheviks kept the empire in fierce battles with imperialism.
A democratic Russian Federation began with the collapse of the empire.

[Lopatov]

The Bolsheviks rode the empire. And the collapse of the USSR is also their business. Because for a real Bolshevik, the most important thing is power. And for her sake, he is ready for anything, including the transfer of territories.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Spade

And the collapse of the USSR is also their business.

We want to have a state apparatus as a means of service
the masses of the people, and some people in this state apparatus want to turn it into
feeding article. That is why the device as a whole is false.
(XII Congress of the RCP (b), "Organizational report of the Central Committee of the RCP (b)"
v. 5 p. 207.)
Needless to say, such people can have nothing to do with ours
by the party. These are reincarnates, or double-dealing, who must be driven out of
party. The destruction of classes is not achieved through the extinction of the class struggle,
but by enhancing it. The withering away of the state will not come through weakening
state power, and through its maximum strengthening necessary for
in order to finish off the remnants of the dying classes and organize a defense against
capitalist environment, which is far from destroyed and not soon
will still be destroyed.
("Results of the first five-year plan" v. 13, p. 210.)
Stalin warned of the degenerates and fought with them!

[Turkir]

Lenin had warned before. I am writing from memory, his lovely expressions, which the communist racers .. just do not know.
Our first enemy is a bureaucrat;
communist bureaucrats;
communist scum;
as soon as we lose the confidence of the people, the Soviet state is over.
------------
Reading Lenin is very interesting, and scolding him or praising it is easy.
By the way, there was a wonderful politician, no match for contemporaries.
At the same time a brutal politician. I was not mistaken: not cruel, but cruel.
I was still a communist, I still can’t understand.
Interesting question, right?
And his expressions that I quoted can be found in the complete works for 1922-23. Check, you will be quite surprised.
Apparently, he caught himself ...
------------
And the symbol of unity, it is a symbol of UNDERSTANDING and FORGIVENESS, to go TOGETHER further and not to repeat the previous ERRORS.
After all, Russia does not end on us?

[saag]

Quote: Turkir

Our first enemy is a bureaucrat;
communist bureaucrats;
communist scum;

So what, I can also quote Mayakovsky: "I would have gnawed bureaucracy like a wolf ..." this does not mean at all that Lenin somehow condemns communism, you are carried away by the definition of "communist", while the key word, the concept is bureaucracy ...

By the way, calling some users of this forum "communist tutors" in what category do you refer to yourself?

[Turkir]

You better read Lenin, not me.
The scribe, this is the man who spills quotes, without reading the source itself.
By the way, I called on supporters and opponents of communism to read Lenin first, before making God or the Devil out of him.
And in the society that Lenin created and in which I was born and lived my best years, I met many people who had a party card, but who had a very vague idea of ​​the theory of communism and did not read anything, neither Marx, nor Engels, nor Lenin. Moreover, they were not read at the very top.
Was there a good moment, a positive side of life, in the society that my parents defended? Yes, there were, as well as negative ones.
Why did this state collapse?
A heavy, clumsy, corrupt, bloated bureaucratic apparatus.
Do you think that Gorbachev studied Marx with Lenin at night?
Everything happened according to the prediction of Lenin himself:
If we Communists lose the confidence of the people, the Soviet state will collapse.
Brilliantly.
And superficial discussions about history, which many of those present here witnessed, no matter on which side, do not clarify the current situation. Moreover, they divide the people and do not lead to a positive future.
I do not seek to bring that confusion into the minds of Russians, which has already brought the Poles to Moscow.
Is my position clear?
---------------
And you can continue to quote Mayakovsky.
Of which I have long been counted all over.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Turkir

And you can continue to quote Mayakovsky.
Of which I have long been counted all over.

The quoted quotes are references to the source and are just an attempt to draw the attention of the audience to the works of the founders of Socialism!
After reading the works of Lenin and Stalin, many will look at what is happening from different perspectives!

"... it is necessary to explain the instructions of the party and the Soviet government, to explain
patiently and carefully, so that people understand what the party wants and where it is
leads the country. Do not understand today - take the trouble to explain tomorrow. Not understood
tomorrow - take the trouble to explain the day after tomorrow. Without this, it cannot and cannot
be now no leadership. "
("Speech at the XV Moscow Gubernia Conference" vol. 9 p. 161.)

[saag]

Quote: Spade

And the collapse of the USSR is also their business.

Yeltsin Boris Nikolayevich collapsed the USSR, before that he laid his party card on the table at the XIX party conference, so it looks like your

[saag]

Quote: Spade

and ending with Chechnya.

Was there a Chechen conflict during the USSR? or did he happen after?

[Lopatov]

And who created the premises? Who created these national enclaves out of the blue?

[saag]

Quote: Spade

And who created the premises?

Yeltsin Boris Nikolaevich, that’s all to him, there was no conflict during the USSR, therefore the policy was right, you can’t say what happened then

[saag]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

on the Bolsheviks, the lion's share of the blood that is now pouring in New Russia

You’re just like Ukrainian leaders, they, too, are eager to blame anyone for everything

[DRA-88]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

they began the mass suburbanization of Little Russia and New Russia, why is it surprising that the breed is such a Judas

In late October - early November 1917, the Bolsheviks of Donbass took power in Lugansk, Makeevka, Gorlovka, Kramatorsk and other cities. November 7 (20) [what?]. In the first half of December 1917, Antonov-Ovseenko detachments occupied the Kharkov region. On December 11–12 (24–25 in the new style) December 1917 [46] [47] The First All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets in Kharkov proclaimed the then Ukrainian People's Republic (UNR) as the Republic of Soviets (the original official name was the Ukrainian People's Republic of Workers' Soviets, peasant, soldier and Cossack deputies [47] [48]) and elected the supreme authority - CEC UNR [47]
Wiki

[DRA-88]

Quote: Tor Hummer

. All this pseudo-patriotic pack under the red banners, is nothing but the haters of Russia and all Russian.

You insult the memory of the soldiers who planted the Red Banner over the Reichstag!

Quote: Tor Hummer

Moreover, in their hatred they can surpass so many.

Your ideal, apparently, is Vlasov.

[horseradish]

how is typical, the Communists, as always in their blinkers, by the way, to remind you that Vlasov is yours? Communist and party card and habits? he, just like his leaders, went over to the side of the Germans with weapons in their hands, only byada, could not win

[Tor hummer]

Quote: DRA-88

Your ideal, apparently, is Vlasov.

Vlasov is not ours. Vlasov is yours.
Our Suvorov.

[Userpic]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Our Suvorov.

We are in the know

[vladsolo56]

Imagine, it’s better to live in just communism than under capitalism to run errands for oligarchs of different levels and corrupt officials.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: vladsolo56

Imagine, it’s better to live in just communism than under capitalism to run errands for oligarchs of different levels and corrupt officials.

Of course better. Better yet, do not live at all, but stay in paradise.

Only if you do not speak with stupid chants, but operate with real facts, then in the world there are no examples of building a "just communist society", but there are poor and despised countries (such as North Korea or Venezuela) that are trying to build communism, but their people are unhappy, downtrodden and lives in poverty, and neighboring states that have built capitalism live much better. Well, a direct example is South Korea and the DPRK ... where is it better to live ??? In South Korea, under capitalism or in the DPRK, with the scoop, the leader, the Juche and other abominations ??? South Korea, of course.
China should not be cited as an example - there has been no communism and socialism in it for a long time. China is an advanced capitalist country that is becoming more and more capitalist and wealthy.

[vladsolo56]

If you follow your ideology, you would still be sitting in caves, with a stone ax. A person differs from cattle in that he knows how to think, if he knows how, and if the goal of life is to get drunk, get drunk, and fence off the neighbors with a higher fence, is this really a person?

[Tor hummer]

Quote: vladsolo56

If you follow your ideology, you would still be sitting in caves, with a stone ax. A person differs from cattle in that he knows how to think, if he knows how, and if the goal of life is to get drunk, get drunk, and fence off the neighbors with a higher fence, is this really a person?

Just great. But that's exactly socialism-communism about: "get drunk, get drunk and live well and happily under communism."
Again, I repeat - statistics and bare facts, a very cruel and unfair thing. And her cheap chants-whistles about communism and about all the "good versus all the bad" will not catch.
Capitalist countries are better developed in all areas. From science to elementary comfortable living of people. And this is a fact with which it is simply impossible to argue, because there are facts. And it has always been so, even in the days of the USSR the West excelled technologically and scientifically. Again, this is a fact.
We take Japan - the same capitalist country, there is even a monarchy there.
South Korea, Singapore - Capitalists
Taiwan is a fragment of tsarist China.
China - for 50 years already, it has departed from classical communism-socialism and is building a capitalist economy.
The countries of Europe and the USA are all the same capitalism.

All of these countries are leaders of the existing world in all directions and, above all, in scientific and technical relations.

I don't understand why this vyser about "axes and caves" ?????
Sorry, but it is capitalism that makes people move and win the competition (otherwise you will become uncompetitive and you will be punished according to the laws of natural selection and simply die out), while communism-socialism calls for a parasitic and passive lifestyle and promises some benefits, just not for anything or for unskilled and unnecessary labor, such as "You worked - well done, here's your 80 rubles, go buy two trucks of sausages for them." And how he worked and where he worked and what he worked on is not important. The fact that the type worked is important.

Again, I repeat - there is no example of successful communist-socialist countries. All countries that promote such an ideology are backward.

[Normal]

Quote: Tor Hummer

All of these countries are leaders of the existing world in all directions and, above all, in scientific and technical relations.

Controversial statement. Of course, the first capitalists rushed into space.
free education and medicine are available ALL in cap. countries. Yeah.

Quote: Tor Hummer

All countries that promote such an ideology are backward.

This is how to see where humanity is moving. If to consumerism, then yes, socialism lagged significantly.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Normal

Controversial statement. Of course, the first capitalists rushed into space.

The first space flight is certainly an achievement. But here the rest of the space race won the Americans dry.

Quote: Normal

free education and medicine are available ALL in cap. countries. Yeah.

There is nothing free and cannot be in this world. The production of any product or service requires the use of resources, energy, and the labor of an employee. Free resources, energy, and especially labor of a worker in nature do not exist. Inherently, any product or service (medical, educational or any other) is paid. And it is paid either directly by the consumer or by the state from the taxes of the same consumers. I TALK ONCE AGAIN - THERE IS FREE FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND IT IS NOT ABLE TO BE, FOR THIS IS CONTRADICTED TO THE LAWS OF NATURE!

Quote: Normal

This is how to see where humanity is moving. If to consumerism, then yes, socialism lagged significantly.

Any economic system is based on "consumerism". To produce goods, you need to buy them, and to buy them, you need demand. That is, you need "consumerism".
If there is no "consumerism" then there will be no need for the production of goods.
If "consumerism" is in insufficient volume, then the production of goods will be unprofitable and the same production will be bent because there will be no sense in it.

[Normal]

Quote: Tor Hummer

There is nothing free in this world and it cannot be .....
Any economic system is based on "consumerism".

Too shy to ask ... how old are you?

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Normal

Too shy to ask ... how old are you?

I am 29 years old. He is an economist by profession, specializing in Finance and Credit.

[Userpic]

Quote: Tor Hummer

He is an economist by profession, specializing in Finance and Credit.

Cooluto ...

That is, this

Quote: Tor Hummer

Any economic system is based on "consumerism"

taught at the university?

To produce goods, you need to buy them, and to buy them, you need demand. That is, you need "consumption"

You are the difference between needs, demand and solvent Do you recognize demand?

If there is no "consumerism" then there will be no need for the production of goods

It will not disappear, as there will remain needs that must be met.

If "consumerism" is in insufficient volume, then the production of goods will be unprofitable and the same production will be bent because there will be no sense in it.

Only within the framework of the capitalist (pseudo-market) model of management.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Userpic

It will not disappear, as there will remain needs that must be met.

Well yes. The economy of "war communism" is able to satisfy only natural needs: bread, cereals, sugar, salt, soap, toilet paper, etc. Plus the needs of the state are necessary to protect their system. There is not enough for more. Alas.

[Userpic]

Quote: Tor Hummer

More is not enough. Alas.

War communism is a necessary measure, but being prolonged in time, exploring available resources, creating products and thereby satisfying needs from primary to secondary, from objective to subjective, at one fine moment it comes to the point that it becomes able to satisfy not only needs, but also Wishlist.
But if someone believes that his Wishlist have a higher priority than the needs of everyone else, then from the point of view of communism, this is his problem

[Normal]

Quote: Tor Hummer

I 29 years.

And you, in 29 years, with a view of discovering America, think that in my 50 I do not know elementary truths? That there is nothing free in the world?

It's not about free health care, but the fact that the current government replaced it with PAID medicine.
Healthcare is a system, a branch of state activity, the purpose of which is the organization and provision of affordable medical care for the population, maintaining and improving his level of health. And paid medicine is a commercial enterprise providing paid medical services. We understand the difference?

Quote: Tor Hummer

He is an economist by profession, specializing in Finance and Credit.

These are the "specialists" who believe that CONSUMPTION is the basis of the economy and the present system prepares the country.

Education Minister Andrei Fursenko lamented for the rest of Soviet times inert system in her department, trying hard to cook human creator. Now, according to the minister, the main thing is to grow the consumer,

Fursenko's case has borne fruit - Alles kaputt

Byad ...

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Normal

And you, in 29 years, with a view of discovering America, think that in my 50 I do not know elementary truths? That there is nothing free in the world?

And I actually did not tell you that you do not know this common truth. I just talked with a friend who claims that there is some kind of "free" medicine, education, etc.
For me, such statements cause simply misunderstanding, especially when an elderly person who has lived his life says such things.

Quote: Normal

It is not a matter of free healthcare, but that the current government has replaced it with PAID medicine.

Our health care system is built on the basis of medical insurance, and insurance at very divine rates and with this insurance you can get the whole range of medical services.
Paid medicine is different, when you come and pay for everything at a purely market price, at a price list from your personal pocket.
We do not have such medicine.

Quote: Normal

These are the "specialists" who believe that CONSUMPTION is the basis of the economy and the present system prepares the country.

Sorry, but "consumerism" is a stoned soviet term used by boobies telling tales about "free" medicine.
And if you ask, what is meant by this concept, then hardly anyone will be able to answer, or the answers will vary.

So what does this "consumerism" mean? The fact that the population is actively buying goods that go beyond the supply of natural needs? So what's wrong with that? People want to buy iPhones, so make domestic iPhones (no worse than American ones) and flood the domestic market with them, and export the surplus, thereby increasing GDP and treasury revenues.
Science and industry will develop in parallel with the production of iPhones for consumers. A sane domestic electronic component base will appear, which can easily replace imported boards in the defense industry. What's wrong with that?
Then we go - computers, tablets, household appliances, personal transport, clothes, cosmetics, perfume, etc., etc. ... this is all "consumerism" and all this must be produced by ourselves and done so that the domestic market can absorb all this, and export supply. This is the key to a successful economy. Strong and stable.
I just really do not understand all these soviet howls about "consumerism" ... But what to call the situation in which we now live? We sell resources, we import into the country almost everything that I have listed. But the scoops who howl about "consumerism" are sitting on the forum.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Tor Hummer

and the neighboring states that built capitalism live many times better

Presidents, patriarchs, masons,
Admirals, oligarchs, golden youth,
Queens and tycoons, mafia aces,
The devil is waiting for you all guys
The pots are boiling on fire!

[Tor hummer]

Quote: DRA-88

Presidents, patriarchs, masons,
Admirals, oligarchs, golden youth,
Queens and tycoons, mafia aces,
The devil is waiting for you all guys
The pots are boiling on fire!

[Normal]

Quote: Tor Hummer

"Take everything, and divide it up"

Written by Bulgakov in 1925 after the Revolution which "took away and divided everything." Only here is the snag - it didn’t share it, but NATIONALIZED it, that is, it made it the property of ALL and not individual, albeit very respected, active, active and highly educated citizens.
But the principle of "take away and divide" was implemented with accuracy much later. In the 90s, by no means a handful of caricatured "ball" ones, but by those whose interests are still being watched by the Power, imposing on us the chimera of unity of the thief-oligarch and the robbed population.

[Userpic]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Normal

But the principle of "take away and divide" was implemented with accuracy much later. In the 90s, by no means a handful of caricatured "ball" ones, but by those whose interests are still being watched by the Power, imposing on us the chimera of unity of the thief-oligarch and the robbed population.

[horseradish]

who cares? there will be one super-capitalist - the Politburo, and the hard worker as he plowed at the machine and plows, but still you can not pay, where will he go, then? the owner is one

[Lopatov]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

the owner is one

And you can't help but work for him, you will go for "parasitism" all at once.

[saag]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

who cares? there will be one super-capitalist - the Politburo, and the hard worker as he plowed at the machine and plows, but still you can not pay,

What are you saying, an enterprise under the USSR would try not to pay workers' salaries, the director would not last long

[Normal]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

who cares?

A big difference. If you worked then "for the Politburo" and now for the "boss", then you should know the difference. And if you don't know, then you are talking about what you have no idea about.

[vladsolo56]

Are you okay with your head? where did you see the nagging it all seems to you that we are aching, so we are not aching, we are trying to open our eyes, it’s all in vain, it’s very convenient for you to see nothing, hear nothing, let others decide for you, you have a holiday, yeah, we don’t know what we celebrate, it doesn’t matter ordered to celebrate, so it will be so, well, as a holiday

[horseradish]

open your eyes? and does that blind man say?

[horseradish]

cute, the slogan on the slogan, I’m waiting for you to start jumping and chanting something from the Ukrainian repertoire

[Mountain shooter]

The correct holiday is a holiday "replacing" the October coup. Who destroyed the great Russia on the eve of the victory in the First World War. Allies in this were at the same time with the Germans. In general, it would be necessary to pass the law and reduce the number of holidays in the country. I saw the numbers. Taking into account our vacations, we "walk" more than anyone else in the world! When the oil was "over a hundred", it was possible. But it was over. It's time to work hard.

[Gardamir]

All right, do more new holidays so that people soon forget the past. For example, November 7th is not only the October events of 1917. But on this day in 1941, the divisions paraded along Red Square and went to defend Moscow and our homeland.

[RUSS]

Quote: Gardamir

But on this day in 1941, the divisions paraded along Red Square and went to defend Moscow and our homeland.

This is a memorable date in the Russian calendar of holidays and historical dates, and in honor of it, on November 7th of each year, a historical parade on Red Square has recently been held.

[Nina Czerny]

It is only bashfully hushed up why it was on November 7, 1941 that the units parading immediately went to the front line!

[horseradish]

Nina, don't lie

[Drunya]

National Unity Day ???????
Today in Moscow already THREE peace march in different places cities .
and how me It seems - OH it is not advisable that they meet.

[Gray 43]

Well, they made a holiday, but according to historians, it would be more correct to celebrate the 7th, but then it turns out that the two holidays intersect, there were many programs after this date was set, historians spoke out who disagreed with this interpretation. What can we talk about if they cannot decide the time (summer or winter), with time zones. I believe that the Communists, despite all the negativity (often justified) towards them, were able to achieve a lot, take at least an education, read everything, so they deserved a holiday

[Junior, I]

Happy Holidays!

[Leonidych]

psheks and sprats now bite their elbows and come out with bile ...

[sv68]

You’ll introduce another holiday that is very necessary for the country — the day of profaned by the bear’s territories — and we’ll celebrate on a grand scale and walk for at least a week or two? With this supposedly five days later, maximum one third of the country will have 300 holidays a year. by the way, on the occasion of the Lodar, for the Lodar I prazlnik every day!

[Normal]

Happy holiday to all who celebrate. All 40%, considered for some reason as a single whole.
Drawn to the liberation of Moscow from the Poles, Novorossia clearly looks out of place, especially in light of the attitude of the Surkovokenguryan Kremlin towards it.
Minus did not set just for the holiday.

[Normal]

Quote: hrenvamsredkoy

don't pull the owl on the globe

And the same to you, and you happy holiday.

[lichide]

If you collect a small stained-glass window from all the known facts and look at this mosaic with an unarmed ideology, everything will be so simple that it is not interesting! All these wars, revolutions, perestroika, communism and globalization are just the ongoing ongoing revanchist war of Atlantis against the Metropolis (Rus). About 8000 years ago there was an attempt to destroy us with the paws of the Great Dragon, it did not fail! And Dracoše was imposed by lyuli and forced to build a wall for which no-no! Until now, the drago recalls this. Now the Atlanteans are trying to tease the Muslim world, so that they can then invade Russia. But in Russia and Muslims live! Hard for the poor Atlanteans! They once arranged immigration from the outskirts of Russia to Canada. How much then 3 million left from Little Russia? Well, Ukrainians were made Atlanteans, but we also need to make them fight against the Slav brothers! It’s hard for the poor Atlanteans, but they can’t calm down, it’s so arranged — the toad smothers.

[Nychego]

Quote: Lahideus

... just the ongoing revanchist war of Atlantis against the Metropolis (Rus). About 8000 years ago, there was an attempt to destroy us with the paws of the Great Dragon ...

This is best handled in Ananerbe. They will understand and accept as a native.

[lichide]

When you begin to quote, it means your involvement in the classics. Flattering ....

[Nychego]

The liberation of Moscow is fine, but it did not happen on a day that is commensurate with the current November 4.
While this day is perceived by many as an attempt to replace the celebration of November 7th. Maybe over the years it will become November 4 a celebration of some kind of agreement and reconciliation, but why this day - historians and propagandists will have to try hard to introduce a plausible answer into the average person’s brain.

In general, the whole history of the Second People’s Militia, in my opinion, a little enlightened on this point, is an example of how great things are done in the Russian state:
The people finally lost ... tired of the rampant gangsterism and powerlessness of state power. There were smart people in the strata most interested in the return of order (traders and industrialists) who worked out a basically simple and understandable plan. While providing ideological support from the church, they organized a fundraiser in not the largest, but not yet ruined, troubled city. Enough of these funds for the formation of a rather large (by the standards of time and place) professional military unit, and weapons and equipment were provided from the best and the salary exceeded that generally accepted at times (about 5-8 times). It is clear that this army swiftly put things in order in the immediate vicinity and, after fighting coordination under not worse military leadership, was ready for new achievements.
Then everything went competently on an increasing basis. Residents of other cities of the non-ravaged part of the country were confronted with the fact that they should chip in the good deed of overthrowing the unrighteous government and expelling foreigners of other faiths. Who didn’t understand and paid, and who didn’t understand or who had nothing to pay was paid anyway, but not in a very voluntary manner. Minin could later be blamed for the harshness of the implementation of decisions, but even historians do not dare to blame rats and squandering funds. More money - more army. Again, the army is basically not crooked-handed patriots, but competently motivated profes. The trailers were also enough now, but, by great happiness, they did not decompose the core. With such a army, you can do great things, of which there are two: putting things in order and expelling the interventionists. The first was mainly dealt with during the Yaroslavl campaign, but the second was not pulled, briskly reacting to Khodkevich’s campaign by an accelerated march to Moscow. Who is capable of defeating the Russian army if it believes in its cause, fathers-commanders, well-fed, armor-armored in full and comparable with the enemy in numbers? Yes, no one, as Mr. Khodkevich was convinced in August-September 2012. After that, the surrender of Kitay Gorod and the Kremlin by the sitters became only a matter of time. Which was carried out. China, the city was commissioned on November 11, according to our calendar, and the Kremlin on the fifth (in both cases, the date translation is correct, i.e., plus 17 days to the dates according to the Julian calendar, as it should be for the 4th century). What does the state celebration on November XNUMX have to do with it? The question I personally have not understood.

By the way, the story of a popular initiative to restore order in the fatherland and expel foreigners, as usual, ended with the seizure of control over the liberated territories, the actual dragging out or dissolution of the combat-ready core and turning the brutal but necessary fundraising in the new hands for organizing and conducting the liberation campaign into an ordinary requisite from those who have not paid yet.

[horseradish]

Yes, hysteria are more visible, and not to people who for 400 years remember the fallen and Victory on this day

[Tor hummer]

Kuzma Minin's appeal to Nizhny Novgorod

Men, brotherhood, you see and feel the great misfortune the whole state is now, and what fear from now on, that we can easily enter the eternal slavery of Poles, Swedes or Jews, through which not only the estates but also many have already lost their stomachs Mostly all the circumstances to that.

And the reason for this is none other than great envy and insanity, at the beginning between the main state administrations, the outrage and hatred that, forgetting the fear of God, faithfulness to the Fatherland and their honor, and the glory of their ancestors, persecuting the enemies of the Fatherland in help called, foreign sovereigns.

Others, of various thieves, servants and all kinds of loafers, having been named after the kings and princes, they kiss the sovereigns like a cross. Or maybe, who else wants to choose the Turkish or the Jewish for their small and bad use? Which, having already entered Moscow and other cities, on both sides took the treasury so great, after many years gathered by different sovereigns, they dragged it away.

However, it is not necessary to weaken and despondent, but having called for the help of the all-generous God, to apply his zealous work and agreed unanimously, leaving his whims, his and his heirs to seek their deliverance, not sparing his estate and belly.

True, can anyone say: what can we do without money, or troops, or capable governors? But I will say my intention. My estate, everything that is, without a trace, I’m ready to give in favor of my mortgage and, in addition, my house, wife and children, I am ready to give everything in favor of and service to the Fatherland, and I’d better die with all my family in extreme poverty than to see Fatherland in reproach and from enemies in possession.

And if we take all equal intentions, then we can have enough money, at least to the beginning, and then, seeing such our fidelity to the Fatherland, others will help with jealousy or for shame and fear. And if this is so done, I assure you that with the help of Almighty God, we can easily add greater serenity of conscience and immense glory to ourselves and our heirs, destroy our enemies and pacify our invaders innocently shed blood

Glory to Russia!

[Georg Shep]

Our people have national unity in relation to New Russia, but in domestic politics, there is no such unity. There can be no national unity if the government pursues an anti-people policy in many respects, especially in the economy.

[battery]

Quote: Tor Hummer

The evil spirits from the Russian national holiday are writhing. So they rave.

Russian only? and Nitsche so that we have so many nationalities that the Committee on Statistics will not say exactly that. and the rest that went to ....., with such statements and moods, you can play too much to the sad consequences for Russia.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Battory

Russian only? and Nitsche so that we have so many nationalities that the Committee on Statistics will not say exactly that. and the rest that went to ....., with such statements and moods, you can play too much to the sad consequences for Russia.

Other nationalities are not related to the events dedicated to this holiday. But if people of other nationalities consider this holiday their own, then I have nothing against it, but only For
Glory to Russia!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Other nationalities are not related to the events dedicated to this holiday.

Kozma Minin was not Russian.

[lichide]

Right! There are no Russians on the planet at all. This is an invented nationality. Invented, like the language of Esperanto. Kozma is a typical French name, and the surname Minin came from Austria and Switzerland, where they made miniature watches and composed minor waltzes.

[Lopatov]

A strange statement ... Does it bother you that many famous people of Russia were not ethnic Russians? How are Ukrainians ready to attribute Buddha to their nationality?

[horseradish]

you exaggerate, and there were many who had a different origin, but far from all, and many of them for more than one generation not only considered themselves Russian, but also were them. as the same Suvorov (the Tatars consider him Tatar, although his Swedish origin is indisputable, as were the Lermontovs, Yusupovs and many others), and the example of Our All Great Alexander Sergeevich causes the homeric laughter, his descendant of the Great Moscow Nobles, to be called an Ethiopian well, just a laugh
ps nationality by mother is considered only by Jews and that, only the last thousand years, but sometimes ukrointsy have attempts
about Buda, it’s not about who the Ukrainians attribute him to, it’s about who he considered himself to be.
and by the way, the example you cited is just from a series of ukroinets Buddha, Christ and Mary

[Lopatov]

Well, do not try to pull the hedgehog on the globe in the Ukrainian style. In the history of Russia, a huge role was played by foreigners.

[horseradish]

Yes Yes! and there weren’t and there were no Russians in general, we are your nightmare

[lichide]

A huge NEGATIVE role was played by foreigners, Gentiles, and foreigners.

[Lopatov]

In these bastards Pushkin da Lermontov ...

[battery]

Catherine II, German, for example

[saag]

Quote: Battory

Catherine II, German, for example

Here on the forum they like to directly lead Alexander III, like losing sight of the fact that he is a German :-)

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Lahideus

Right! There are no Russians on the planet at all. This is an invented nationality. Invented, like the language of Esperanto. Kozma is a typical French name, and the surname Minin came from Austria and Switzerland, where they made miniature watches and composed minor waltzes.

Here it is Russophobic multinational evil spirits climbed. You look like he wrinkles it from the Russians)) He doesn’t find a place for himself.

[lichide]

Pancake! What do you think about typing offscreen laughter on American TV shows? Could humor be so difficult? But I will express my opinion on the Russians and the whole Russian - the Russian world is a special spirit, the special magnetism of the harsh and sad Russian nature, the imagery and expressive diversity of the Russian language. And Pushkin is a vivid confirmation of this! A man with pronounced gypsy features was brilliantly able to reflect the greatness of the Russian spirit and the beauty of the soul of our people.

[Turkir]

By the number of minuses - Your irony is not understood.
I’m afraid that the meaning of the word irony will not be understood by everyone.
Everyone wants to speak out, and what the opponent writes, they do not read to the end.
Eh, like hussars, chop left and right.
Well, just everyone: both their own and others.
----------------------------------
Happy holiday of unity and understanding.
We walk.
But we will not skip our Russia.

[lichide]

Not only that! On the streets you will not meet a kind smiling face! Or a mask of severe concern on the face, or the gnaw of a talking animal with a dull look. Well, every day to go to the Philharmonic or something to see the brilliance of the mind and the warmth of the soul in the eyes?

[RUSS]

Quote: Spade

Kozma Minin was not Russian.

He was Russian, and not, as many consider the son of a baptized Tatar, this version of the origin is erroneous and refuted.

[Lopatov]

Precisely, disproved. Even Vishnevsky said that he was a Mordvin.

[horseradish]

"yawn" - "there are rumors here and there .." (c)
in our Mari, for example, in all seriousness, the local "intelligentsia" considers Patriarch Nikon to be a Mari and not a Mordvin

[horseradish]

nonsense, Tatar nonsense is common, believing that about any great Russian - Tatar, what to do about the national intelligentsia is doubly flawed, both as a shtetl and as an intelligentsia proper

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Spade

Kozma Minin was not Russian.

He was Russian, as evidenced by his name and surname and religion and the fact that he fought for Russia against foreign invaders))))))) Don't need your "La-la".

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tor Hummer

what is his name and surname talking about

I have a bosom friend with a very common surname Ivanov. He is drilled by nationality, and his face clearly testifies to this.

[lichide]

I had fighters - Georgian Ivanov and Russian Pikrishvili. This is according to the documents, and the nationality is known not by the "patchport" but by the face is determined.

[horseradish]

it’s no secret that most of Ivanov’s and Petrov’s Russians are from baptized foreigners
For example, I have a friend, a Tatar, and so he considers himself a Russian and, moreover, a Russian nationalist not a believer, but we will correct him

[horseradish]

And what do you mean by the Russian people? Personally, I am not only ethnic Russians, but also all other people who have joined us, and it does not matter who they are by ethnicity. Among the enemies there are former Russians

[Victor1]

The Great Russian People (Russian nationality) are the fundamental Russian People, the Russian State, the Russian World, Russian Civilization, and this must be understood. If every nationality, from our multinational people, will each time try to get out of the Russian People and pump their rights, then there will be a mess.

[horseradish]

already played with it precisely internationalism, at the Russian expense, the 90s proved it pretty

[Thunderbolt]

There is no accurate documentary evidence of who Minin was by nationality; however, modern official science considers him a Tatar. Here is the words of Mr. Putin:

Citizen Minin, who has a monument on Red Square - remember, Citizen Minin and Prince Pozharsky. Who is Minin? Ordinary private citizen, Tatar by origin... "

And I would like to emphasize that Putin puts the word citizen first, and origin second. And in general, this year is not like last ... A year ago I was in Moscow and many other cities "Russian March" and was on this day here on VO is the central article about it. Now there are several marches and the article has been published, but not a word about the marches. And the article is titled- "New sounding of the Day of National Unity." And there is not a word about the marches. So, comrades with braces on their sleeves today rest. The Kremlin makes it clear that the "main Russian march" is a procession along Tverskaya Street, where the action "We are United" took place. It was attended by representatives of the "Fair Russia", the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Liberal Democratic Party and supporters of the "United Russia".

[battery]

Yes, and most wars, in the era of the prevalence of knives

and then there were enough firearms and flintlock pistols and squealing and muskets, then he (the firearm) had already entered quite firmly, and the chill is still relevant provided that you know how to work with it. Well, horse-drawn armies left with the advent of ICE (internal combustion engine), we are not Budyonny who was screaming why do we have tanks for cavalry.

[lichide]

Well, at least something from the past of your country you need to know! Well, of course, Budyonny is a fool and this is the only reason that Europe scraped for Hitler only 3 tons of armor, and only 25 tanks were made for the Red Army.

[horseradish]

and where are these tanks? were already in July 1941?

[lichide]

This weapon, through the fault of our generals and marshals, fell into the hands of the Germans and with our tanks they reached Stalingrad. But I don’t want to talk about artillery at all! Until the end of 1944, the Wehrmacht's artillery brigades were equipped with Soviet artillery systems and fired at our ammunition captured in the summer of 1941.

[horseradish]

and nevertheless the main weapon was white, having fired once, they were chopped to the stop
and you’re wrong about the cavalry, during the Second World War its numbers only grew, it just became a purely dragoon type, the horse was used as a vehicle of increased cross-country ability and it was attached to tank and mechanized units

[chelovektapok]

Have such a normal holiday! occasion for the president of the psheks to congratulate and piglets at the same time Ukrainians boast that they went to Moscow. Not ourselves, in the form of mongrels, as always, but also, congratulations must be!

[chelovektapok]

Well, if this day has sounded a new way, I think that the title should be: DAY OF EDUCATION OF MILITARY MILITARY TROOPS. New Russians, WITH A HOLIDAY!

[Victor1]

Happy Russian People!
Let this holiday be celebrated not so long ago, but it is an excellent reminder of the important events of those days. A reminder that the Russian people in critical conditions can unite and repulse the enemy.
And this is true even now, when the world is on the verge of serious events, and our enemies are weaving intrigues, putting sticks in wheels in every possible way and sleeping and seeing how to destroy us. But they will not succeed. Because the truth is on our side. Victory will be ours.

[23424636]

in fact, the letter of appeal was not written by Minin, but by Archimadrite of the Trinity-Sergius Lavra Deonisy; it was he who collected Russian people in the monastery and built hospitals, buried the dead and wrote appeals, including to Minin. This great Russian man, although he was canonized in the guise of saints by the prodigal historians, and few people know about him.

[The Sparkle]

I do not want to return to the USSR and do not want to live again under the dominance of the communist ideology, but I associate only November 7 with the November holidays. And it will always be so. And this day could be called "Day of the Russian World" or "Russian Militia". Well, something like this.

[Hleb]

it’s interesting that dill want to erase everything related to Bolshevism, communism from their history ... they demolish monuments. And when people read about the demolition of monuments to Lenin in the news, many (and most) react so emotionally. But these same people here in the subject is written about the revolution and Lenin with the same hostility as dill.
I just can’t understand, dill is right or not in this context? (for me there is no doubt), but those who here in the topic consider the revolution and Lenin a tragic mistake, which led to vain victims and, as a result, the enemies of the country brought to power, you Do you think it is right that they hate Lenin?

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Gleb

it’s interesting that dill want to erase everything related to Bolshevism, communism from their history ... they demolish monuments. And when people read about the demolition of monuments to Lenin in the news, many (and most) react so emotionally. But these same people here in the subject is written about the revolution and Lenin with the same hostility as dill.
I just can’t understand, dill is right or not in this context? (for me there is no doubt), but those who here in the topic consider the revolution and Lenin a tragic mistake, which led to vain victims and, as a result, the enemies of the country brought to power, you Do you think it is right that they hate Lenin?

Ukrainians who are destroying monuments to Lenin are fools. Because it was Lenin who created Ukraine and it was Lenin who carried out Ukrainization and imposed the "Mova".
The real hero of the Ukrainians is Lenin, not Bandera!

[DRA-88]

Quote: Tor Hummer

it was Lenin who carried out Ukrainization and imposed "MOV"

Well, stop raving already! You in your anti-Soviet hysteria have already surpassed your teacher Brzezinski

[Tor hummer]

Quote: DRA-88

Well, stop raving already! You in your anti-Soviet hysteria have already surpassed your teacher Brzezinski

Bullshit is advisory. And the Ukrainization carried out by the Bolsheviks is a historical fact.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Tor Hummer

And the Ukrainization carried out by the Bolsheviks is a historical fact.

In response to the ultimatum of the Central Council of 12 (25) on January 1918, with its 4th Universal, announced the secession from Russia and the state independence of the UPR.
Wiki

[Normal]

Quote: DRA-88

In response to the ultimatum of the Central Council of 12 (25) on January 1918, with its 4th Universal, announced the secession from Russia and the state independence of the UPR.

Greetings, Vladlen.
Nevertheless, in fairness, it must be admitted that the Ukrainian SSR is a product of the international policy of the Bolsheviks. In RI there was a lot of all indecency, as a result of which it became possible revolution, but Ukraine, as a separate national republic-was not.

Yes and:
"24 — 25 DECEMBER 1917in Kharkov led by the Bolsheviks The First All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets was held, proclaiming the creation Ukrainian People's Republic of Soviets"
Also from Wiki.

[DRA-88]

Quote: Normal

Nevertheless, in fairness, it must be admitted that the Ukrainian SSR is a product of the Bolshevik international policy.

Hi Vladimir!
The formation of the UNR was a response to Kiev's independence! I myself asked myself the question why it was necessary to fence 15 republics? It was enough one with the regional division! And then he began to study the issue and realized that to save the empire was only possible by the formation of the USSR! The centrifugal forces to break the empire were too strong with the fierce support of the Entente. There was no other way out, and Stalin in his writings clearly speaks of this.

[Normal]

Quote: Tor Hummer

it was Lenin who created Ukraine and it was Lenin who carried out the Ukrainization and imposed the "Mova".

Oh how! Just planted mov? Share the source of information, please.

[The point]

You got excited about mov.

[The point]

Quote: Gleb

when they write in the news about the demolition of monuments to Lenin, many (and most) react so emotionally to this.

So after all, the monuments react.
In general, such an attitude to one’s own history is a suicidal attempt to become non-remembered Ivanes of kinship.

[lichide]

The people wake up! He wants truth, justice and law! Peter 1 canceled the national holiday on September 22 - Victory Day over the Great Dragon and Peace in the star temple. 8522 summers back we defeated China. Great blood defended themselves and their future. Apparently the times have come and soon we will have to fight again. And win again! And THIS holiday will be a holiday of unity! The report is completed.

[RUSS]

Quote: Lahideus

8522 summers back we defeated China.

[Rivares]

Link to the chronicle of a tale of bygone years. RUSS, you can’t be so uneducated.

[lichide]

And here's what else amuses! Names of months. September is the septima (seven notes) in our 9th month. October - octave (eight notes) - according to our 10. Well, what is there in November, it is also clear with it! December is a decade, a decade (well, whatever you say 10) and we have seriously so 12 months. But if we count the beginning of the NEWS on March 1, then everything falls into place. And so with all our "history". I myself have personally heard: "The current generation of Soviet people will live under communism!" Then it was more interesting: "A new phenomenon has arisen in nature - the Soviet people." Followed by - "By 2000, each family will live in a separate apartment!" Then we were separated again. No, not white and red, we were divided into "ordinary citizens" and "elite". In addition, we are divided into “taxpayers” and tax collectors. ”But what the worst thing was we were divided into“ extremists-terrorists ”and“ law-enforcement officers. ”And that was already the same ...

[Turkir]

According to the Byzantine calendar 5508 year before P, X.
5508 + 2014 = 7522
2014 7522 =

[saag]

You read the comments and you will understand there is no unity and a holiday, purely bureaucratic, some in the forest, some for firewood

[DRA-88]

Quote: saag

You read the comments and you will understand there is no unity and a holiday, purely bureaucratic, some in the forest, some for firewood

Freedom comes nude
Throwing flowers at the heart
And we, walking with her foot,
We are talking with the sky on "you".
We warriors will hit hard
Hand on harsh shields:
Let the people be sovereign
Always, forever, here and there!

(Author: Velimir Khlebnikov)

[Turkir]

Thanks in time.

[Userpic]

Quote: saag

You read the comments and you will understand there is no unity and a holiday, purely bureaucratic, some in the forest, some for firewood

That is how it should be called - "The Day of Unity of Officials and Capital".

[provincial]

Good holiday "Unity", it's good that you "kick" each other here on the VO site. For this, whoever likes something, then celebrates. So let's drink to the world and agree.

[Astartes]

Unless you try on your history with unity, you don’t even consider the territory of Malorosia as a neighboring state, divide into white and red, some nostalgic for the crunch of French rolls, others for Soviet power, and at this time the earth burns, people scotch, they kill Russian people, and here you are ready to tear each other's throats, someone else blames others for the Civil War, the war is in our heads in the first place. Until you understand that every Russian is priceless, there will be no unity.

[saag]

Quote: Astartes

some nostalgic for the crunch of French rolls others for Soviet power

You see, the discrepancies can be said to be a fundamental "crunch of a French roll" - this is the current consumer society, working mainly for the economies of countries hostile to the Russian Federation, and in the Soviet Union, a person worked for the state, i.e. created it, worked for the economy of his country

[Astartes]

I see, but to strangle their ideological opponents and then build an ideal world \ this is not an option, the civil one started from this and unfortunately its sparks are still smoldering in us. Just then there’s no one to build this better world for ....

[saag]

Quote: Astartes

Just then there’s no one to build this better world for ....

I already lived in this, in comparison with the present, it was this time of "dear Leonid Ilyich" :-)

[Astartes]

you are lucky, I don’t))) when I was born Leonid Ilyich just moved to another world, rejoice.

[Turkir]

Thank you and your parents for your birth.
The era of stagnation and prosperity has ended .. officials.

[deadj]

So let the Lithuanians not show us that we occupied them, they first started :)

[battery]

hey there United, in the USSR they did not celebrate the day of unity, so it was in the minds and hearts of people and did not shout since we were Russians, we are the people and the rest, so ALL nationalities were equal and the state took care of its citizens and production and salaries and training the apartments were free from the state and pensions, and there were no oligarchs and bureaucratic thieves, but now you can make a little pension out of your own pocket, you can keep silent about apartments, education in decline, medicine in a coma, the army was barely pumped out, but the festival was a great success, the doctors h In extreme poverty, scientists are leaving, but we have expelled the Poles from the Kremlin, it will finally reach you that knowledge of history is good, but for 400 years many things have changed Russia is already a lot, a national country is territorially more religious denominations, we have more than one and we do not have freedom of religion horseradish to poke others like a kitten, there are a lot of people who remember the USSR with warmth, you ask them why they are not interested in your holiday, people older than you and smarter than you tell them about this maybe you will understand them and will not yell like cats March. Before everyone who lived in the USSR they called Russians it was not dependent on nationality, someone was afraid of us (and not without reason), but we were loved and admired even more then WE were a nation and such holidays were unnecessary to us.

[Astartes]

we have no other people, do you think 23 years of washing the mosque is no worse than in the ruin will not make itself felt ??? and if "united" to press they will not change .... it is necessary in a different way, but how I do not know, who can offer ??

[hunn]

IMHO a holiday invented to distract that part of the population that remembers from November 7th.

[Second]

The Poles ended up in the Kremlin with the help of the Divine help. The Icon of the Kazan Mother of God, through the prayers of the elders, warriors, warriors, common people, nobles - all that part of Russian society that did not accept the ideology of the Poles because it destroyed RUSSIAN WORLD. Now the same picture, those who do not accept the ideology of oligarchic despotism also turn to the Icon of the Kazan Mother of God for prayer support. For an oligarchic, essentially feudal despotism, it is like death. So far they have dealt with the Russian world, but with Russian world and the help of the Virgin oligarchy, sorry, screwed up ...

[Astartes]

The Poles ended the Russian wars with their strength and courage, do you say that this means that the Russian army cannot do anything without holy protection ???

[Second]

I hope you will not deny the wisdom of Stalin? Even the Bolsheviks listened to the holy elders. Here is a quote from a scripture about the appearance of the Virgin to the Metropolitan of the mountains of Lebanon and Stalin’s reaction to it:
"- And so that the city on the Neva does not fall, you need to take out the miraculous icon of the Kazan Mother of God and enclose it in a procession with the cross around the city, then not a single enemy will set foot on its holy land.
- Then, in front of the same icon of the Mother of God in the capital of the state, a prayer service needs to be performed, and Moscow will resist. Then, it should be delivered to the city on the Volga, which will never submit to the enemy. There he will suffer a complete defeat and will be expelled from Russian land. And the icon should go the whole war with the troops to the westernmost borders of Russia ...
These words of the Virgin were transmitted by the metropolitan to representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church, and then transmitted through Shaposhnikov and Zhukov to Stalin. He took this very seriously. He summoned the Metropolitan of Leningrad Alexei (Simansky) and Metropolitan Sergius (Stargorodsky) to himself, and said that he would fulfill everything that the Virgin Mary had demanded from the Russian government, according to Elijah.
Leningrad was surrounded by the Germans and was on the verge of surrender. There began a terrible famine, every day thousands of people died of hunger. But faith in victory helped me to survive. As prescribed in the message, the priests did the almost impossible: from the Vladimir Cathedral they took the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God and, under the fire of the Germans, walked around the whole of Leningrad with it in a procession of the cross. Regular services began in all churches of the city. (This is captured in the photographs). The people did not leave the temples even during the bombing. "

[Karampax]

For me, the best symbol of the unity of Russia is the MARCH OF SLAVANIA !!!!!

[Astartes]

I understand that for "single" training manuals one for all)) in 2 sheets)) They would have called the sailor Zheleznyak a Jew, oh I feel they would not have gone on foot))

[KUKLA]

Hello !!! All a happy holiday !!! Today was the Russian March. Novosibirsk Why I went there - I saw a video with an invitation from Strelkova. I thought there would be a rally in support of Novorosia. No, of course, there were flags of the DPR. But the slogans were some kind of nationalist.

[Bursak]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

I can recall the cavalry regiment (3 men) of St. George at Denikin's, consisting entirely of clergymen who moved in cassocks in a saber attack. They were lured into a machine-gun ambush and mowed down by the flanking fire of four "maxims".

If you can please share a source about this information, I, as a clergyman, are interested and ashamed not to know about this. Thanks in advance and Happy Holiday)))

[Barboskin]

I understand everything, respect, proud, I will remember and honor. BUT RETURNING THE SEVENTH OF NOVEMBER !!!!!

[Was mammoth]

"New sound ...". The comments clearly show what this contrived "holiday" is like - some kind of unity of someone with someone. Rather, disconnect. There is no it - and it will not be a holiday. Even over time. Every year, a new rationale for it is drawn by the ears.
Orthodox - with the Day of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God. And this Day was, is and will be.

[dzau]

bullshit, not a holiday

November 7 was removed quite clearly according to whose wish; continue to follow these Wishlist and arrange "holidays" from any contrived bullshit, just not to "restore the past" - an extreme degree of stupidity

words about "irrelevance" are no less stupid: European countries, so respected by our marsupial elites, are deeply into "relevance" and with full respect for their history celebrate the taking of the bastilles and others like them, despite the already changed formations dozens of times and modes

because it было, and it was significant for the people of the country, even if they were "hanged" during this

I think that a sign of the country's complete return to the correct course will be just the cancellation of the newly-made bullshit like November 4 and June 12 (as far as I remember, they laughed: "the day of independence from myself") and the return to the place of the November holidays, the end of mockery of the Soviet period etc.

they finally stopped mocking the war and veterans, monuments like a monument to Dzherzhinsky are slowly returning to their places; and common sense returns with them

for to destroy monuments to people like Stalin and to put such as Gaidar and Yeltsin - complete **** c

[miladiz]

Quote: DRA-88

What a unity I can have with the oligarchs, pah!

They insolently robbed the whole country, calling it the initial accumulation of capital and decided that they received indulgence for all their deeds. They won’t wait, even if they don’t even dream.

[Romass]

Long live the Russian Federation! Long live the indigenous peoples of Russia with their national identity, faith, traditions and way of life! Long live the friends, allies of Russia! Send all her enemies and leeches on her body into the woods and back streets! It is high time to live our own minds without runny bells and whistles, etc. Glory to the indigenous peoples of Russia - without which it cannot be!

[Litvin from Grodno]

Quote: Romass

Long live the Russian Federation! Long live the indigenous peoples of Russia with their national identity, faith, traditions and way of life! Long live the friends, allies of Russia! Send all her enemies and leeches on her body into the woods and back streets! It is high time to live our own minds without runny bells and whistles, etc. Glory to the indigenous peoples of Russia - without which it cannot be!

Excuse me, but I want to ask you about others, “non-indigenous”, for example “zhy_dov” (I write the term in Belarusian)??? Their “prominent” representatives left an indelible mark (more like a scar) on the body of Russia - Blank (Lenin), Bronstein (Trotsky), Sverdlov, Rosenfeld (Kamenev), Yehudi (Yagoda), ....... And also other “virtues” "Russian lands - Khodorkovsky, Nemtsov, Shmuilovich (Makarevich) and thousands of them...???

[lcd1717]

I wanted to give the article a +, but first I need to write 10 comments (this is the 1st) :)

[LCA]

I.V. Stalin: real freedom can only exist where the exploitation of “man by man” is destroyed.

Many are convinced that unity in Russia can only be achieved by ensuring a decent life for its citizens.

But in fact, it is possible to achieve unity, not only in Russia, but throughout the world, only by eradicating the exploitation of man by man; and for this you need to acquire a stable humane mental structure - to become a human being.

Therefore:
• the liquidation of any exploitation of “man by man” is not the writing and enactment of laws on “public property”, “prohibition of the exploitation of man by man”, etc.,
• a liquidation of the system of preliminary oppression and perversion of personal development, which is necessary to ensure the comprehensive and complete personal development of all.

And the elimination of the system of oppression of "man by man," as is clear from history, is one of the highest-priority goals of controlling Almightiness.

Only the creation of a stable basis for further personal and, as a consequence, social development, since society cannot develop otherwise than through the personal development of people, this is a society of components.

An element of this comprehensive and complete personal development of society is universal managerial literacy in relation to the life of society in its various aspects: "every cook must learn to manage the state."

Social progress is expressed in the displacement in society of some types of organization of the psyche by others.

[Governor]

More and more often I notice that Putin is pushing the tsarist line into the masses, but he is pushing aside the Soviet Heritage and seems to be forgetting it.
And this is no longer possible! I was born in '95 and have an idea of ​​what we lost in '91.
And to be honest, I sneezed at the Tsar. For me, such a holiday does not exist. It's very disappointing about all this.

...Just imagine if we were celebrating November 7th now...
...Happy Great Revolution, comrades! Oh, there’s nothing left of her, what a pity - complain to Rotenberg and eat a Snickers, my little consumer...
And so here’s a muddy surrogate for you - November 4th.

[Was mammoth]

I am not surprised. Here's some food for thought for you.
“Putin spoke about the elegant deception of the Bolsheviks.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the Bolsheviks deceived the country by failing to fulfill their promises. At the same time, the head of state noted that the deception was done gracefully. The head of state spoke about this at a meeting with young scientists and history teachers at the State Central Museum of Contemporary History of Russia, TASS reports.
“They [the Bolsheviks] advocated ending the war, however, they “cheated” society. You know it yourself: the land goes to the peasants, the factories go to the workers, the people go to peace. Peace was not given, a civil war began, factories and land were taken away. So it’s a complete scam,” Putin said, looking at propaganda posters from the civil war period. The head of state added that the events of October 1917 require a “deep, objective professional assessment.”
Read on Lenta.ru 05.11.14".
This was said by a man who served in the KGB and wore a party card. Now a prominent representative of big capital.
And who is doing the “cheating”? So, history is being rewritten not only in Ukraine.