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Export Disarmament of Russia

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Export Disarmament of Russia


In the 2014 year, Russia may receive less export earnings from the sale of weapons. According to Anatoly Punchuk, Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, since the beginning of the year, Russia's military exports amounted to 9,8 billion.

For comparison, last year Russia set a record by selling abroad weapon and military equipment worth 15,7 billion. Previously, the management of the FSMTC predicted that the figures for the current year would be no less than the previous one.

It can be assumed that the reduction of export earnings this year was influenced by the sanctions imposed by the West, including in relation to defense enterprises. In particular, restrictive measures touched such giants of the Russian defense industrial complex as Almaz-Antey, Kalashnikov Concern, Izhmash, Basalt, Uralvagonzavod and Instrument Design Bureau.

Another factor working against our exporters was the limited access of domestic banks and corporations to Western financial markets.

He draws attention to the fact that in the face of a worsening price situation on the global energy markets, the export earnings of Russian gunsmiths are of particular importance from the point of view of filling a fairly thinner budget. Not to mention the fact that in the modern world, the supply of weapons and military equipment contributes to the spread of geopolitical influence and the promotion of Russia's national interests as one of the two leaders in the elite club of "security exporters".

Given that many contracts are being closed at the end of the year, 9,8 billion dollars over nine months is a normal figure. At the end of the year, our arms exporters may well repeat the last year’s record, said Vladimir Shvarev, deputy director of the Center for Analysis of the World Arms Trade.

- At the moment, I have no reason to assert that the volume of sales of Russian weapons in terms of value will decrease.

"SP": - Is it possible to predict how the ban on the transfer of dual-use technologies to the Russian Federation, as well as sanctions against the leading defense enterprises, will affect our export potential? How self-sufficient is Russia in the military-technological aspect?

“Not even the most developed country can independently satisfy the needs of the military-industrial complex on 100%. This concerns both the needs of our own army and export supplies - everything is done in cooperation. Moreover, in terms of equipment (machines, conveyors, etc.) we are seriously lagging behind in a number of positions. In this sense, the ban on the export to Russia of high-tech equipment for military-industrial complex enterprises, of course, will have a negative effect. Both on the implementation of the state defense order and on export contracts.

2014 year we finish on the old baggage, one might say, by inertia. But then it will be more difficult. So a certain decline in the production of weapons in the next year is quite possible. This is likely to lead to a prolongation of the term for the execution of contracts, both internal and external.

"SP": - How do you assess the potential of the Russian defense industry in terms of import substitution, both in terms of the nomenclature and in terms of implementation dates? What is our “Achilles heel”?

- Dmitry Medvedev recently announced a new government plan, in which everything is written in detail. The most vulnerable spot is the machine tool industry. Simply put, we do not produce the necessary machines. The second huge gap is the electronic component base. In recent years, the Russian military industrial complex has reduced its lag at a heightened pace, but this is not a one-time process. And we will need considerable time to achieve an acceptable quality of the domestic electronic component base. The lag in these segments may affect the fulfillment of our obligations on state defense orders and external contracts.

"SP": - Is the government’s stated increase in defense spending on 1 trillion sufficient? rubles in 2015-2017 for successful import substitution?

- Not sure that this will be enough. Because this increase only takes into account the expansion of the state defense order. So, during the transition period, we will probably have to reorient (in addition to import substitution) to other exporters. In particular, to China, which has its own electronics and even sells it in the United States. It is no secret that in the American missiles and a number of weapons systems there is an electronic component base of Chinese production. Although deliveries from China will not cost us cheap. It is clear that he will try to take advantage of the fact that Russia has now been ordered the way to the Western markets for dual-use products. In addition to China, we will have to buy microelectronics in other countries of Southeast Asia. Something is produced in Latin America.

Plus, Beijing will offer us to buy military-technical products not for rubles and not for yuan, but to fork out for dollars, which is becoming more expensive. Accordingly, it will be quite expensive. In any case, there will be a rise in price, which will affect the competitiveness of the final products of the Russian military-industrial complex on foreign markets.

"SP": - China manufactures microelectronics under license?

- Let's just say, in different ways borrows technology, including producing under license. The quality is obviously lower than that of Western counterparts, but quite acceptable. The problem is that the import substitution program will be implemented at least 2-3 of the year. But we cannot freeze state defense orders or export deliveries for this time. If 2014 is the year we somehow skip, then in 2015-2016. can thoroughly sag.

"SP": - Our competitors will be able to benefit from this situation, having displaced the Russian Federation on the world arms markets?

- I do not think that they will succeed. If only because most contracts are long-term in nature. In this sense, we have some time in stock. In the extreme case, if we do not enter into new contracts, this will be offset by the actions of the old ones. There is no tragedy, but you need to act quickly.

"SP": - Confrontation with the West objectively works to strengthen Russia's reputation as an independent supplier, ready to sell weapons without regard to Washington and Brussels?

- First of all, it is attractive for those countries that are in tense relations with the United States. Naturally, Russia today is not so dependent on external pressure in terms of the supply of defensive weapons in comparison with the US allies. Another thing is that there are not many such countries in the world. Even our BRICS partners do not want to quarrel with America. And even if we open up some new markets, they do not compensate for the old ones that are closing due to aggravating relations with the West.

Of course, in the event of the UN lifting the arms embargo, we can resume full-scale cooperation with Iran. But the same Syria is now in a pre-default state and asks us for a loan of one billion dollars, and not a purchase of weapons. She just can't pay on contracts.

"SP": - What could lead to a break in cooperative ties with Ukraine?

- This is just a disaster for our military industrial complex. I'm not talking about Ukrainian anymore.

"SP": - Passed information that Moscow can put in Egypt several C-300 complexes. How true is this?

- According to the existing, but unconfirmed data, the contract has already been concluded. We are talking about long-range air defense systems.

"SP": - When will the export version of the C-400?

- The first samples will be delivered to Kazakhstan, Belarus and China, but not earlier than 2016-2017. C-400 have already begun to be adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. First we must meet the needs of our own army for these weapons. We supply weapons to Kazakhstan at domestic prices. This decision was made in the framework of the CSTO. A barter scheme will be applied to Belarus. In exchange, Minsk supplies platforms for Topol, Yars and other systems.

"SP": - Russian military industrialists raise prices for their products. This can not lead to a decrease in competitiveness and the loss of part of foreign markets?

- In terms of price, we are only approaching, but still far from Western counterparts. So for the price, our weapons will have an advantage for a long time. In this regard, we still have a groundwork for increasing 4-5 years.

"SP": - What is the reason for this trend?

- Production costs are rising, products are becoming more expensive - people have to pay decent wages.

"SP": - Do our authorities use the scheme of subsidizing military-technical exports?

- As far as I know, our state is practicing a different scheme in the form of providing state guarantees for loans from military-industrial complex enterprises. This year alone, guarantees were issued in the amount of 400 billion rubles. Let me explain, in this case, loans are cheaper.

Andrei Frolov, editor-in-chief of the Arms Export magazine, does not see a direct relationship between Western sanctions and the dynamics of domestic arms sales on world markets.

- The plan for this year is the amount of 13,2 billion dollars. I think this figure will be achieved. In addition, annual plans are drawn up on the basis of a conservative (cautious) scenario. So our manufacturers in the military-industrial complex have the opportunity to repeat last year's result.

Of course, if the sanctions regime is maintained in the long term, this can make life difficult for our “defense industry”. But the exact scale of the problems is difficult to assess.

"SP": - Will it be possible to quickly find a replacement for imported components from the same Ukraine?

- First of all, the situation with ship and helicopter engines worries. The Russian leadership has already announced plans to create its own production of two types of helicopter engines instead of the previous suppliers from Motor Sich from Zaporozhye.

"SP": - This year, the MiG-35 fighter, which lost the tender in India to the French Rafale plane, unexpectedly got off the track.

- The contract has not been finally signed, so Delhi can still change the decision.

"SP": - What specifically does not suit our Indian partners?

- Prices that were higher than those that were expected, and problems with technology transfer. The rupee exchange rate fell against the dollar and the aircraft began to cost more. Plus, the French agreed to transfer the technology that interested the Indians.

"SP": - In terms of trade in military products, the United States firmly staked out a Middle Eastern niche. Can Russia try to squeeze into this highly liquid export patrimony of the White House?

- Of course, for example, we are trading well with Iraq. Baghdad is showing interest in the promising Pantsir complex, the Mi-28 helicopter.

"SP": - The United States unexpectedly did not interfere with the supply of our rotary-wing vehicles to Afghanistan. It is hard to believe that this step is explained by generosity that is absolutely not inherent in Washington’s foreign policy.

- It's trite cheaper. In addition, Afghans are better acquainted with our technology.

"SP": - The military departments of Russia, South Africa and Brazil have agreed on joint development of weapons and military equipment in the framework of BRICS.

- While on projects in this area can not hear anything. This is more like a verbal declaration, which is not yet supported by anything concrete.
Director of the Center for Strategic Market Studies Ivan Konovalov recalled that the Russian military is in greatest demand on foreign markets aviation.

- In this segment we do not need import substitution. For example, the Indian contract involves not only our, but also the French and Israeli element base. But it should be borne in mind that foreign companies are also interested in promoting Russian products using their components.

"JV": - Western companies periodically "walk on foot in spite of the conductor" ...

- I am now in Paris and, as far as I can tell, the same contract for the supply of Mistral will be executed. In addition, the element base can be supplied by companies from third countries. It is no secret that we buy electronic components in China and Taiwan. These products are not subject to sanctions.

"SP": - The United States can block these shipments by revoking licenses from Asian exporters?

- Taiwan manufactures electronic component base under license. But a license can only be revoked if a particular company is owned by a person from the USA. Or a resident of a country that agrees to block supplies to the Russian Federation. I think that this situation may occur in a maximum of 10-15% of cases. And so our partners banal copy ECB and sell us.

"SP": - And what about the production of the means of production?

- Machine tools are a problem, but even it is gradually being resolved. We have replaced a lot in recent times. The most important in the production of metalworking machines. Today it is 40% Russian equipment. Moreover, the replacement occurred in those sectors that are crucial for us. This is aircraft manufacturing, rocket science, where we retain our leading positions.

Another problem is that earlier China, India purchased finished products, and now they require technology transfer. Naturally, we do not want to do this. The output was a sharp increase in domestic state defense orders from 2008 of the year, to the implementation of which our enterprises were reoriented. One of the negative consequences of this was the sinking of their positions in the external market. Unfortunately, the Russian military industrial complex is not flexible enough to respond quickly to the challenges of the time. The system is too centralized and bureaucratic. At the same time, the decision-making procedure was simplified to full primitive. In modern realities it is impossible to compete successfully in world markets, if you work according to the principle, if you need to create a "feeder" for someone, it will be created. This affects the final price of the goods. I think our authorities understand that reforms in the military-industrial complex have matured.
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  1. Sergei1982
    Sergei1982 1 November 2014 18: 35
    +18
    Chickens in the fall believe that we will survive until January, and then we'll see whether arms exports have fallen or not.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 1 November 2014 18: 43
      +15
      China, India used to buy finished products, but now they require technology transfer.



      Or maybe you still give the key to the apartment, where the money is?
      From a dead donkey ears. You will receive from Pushkin.

      Ostap Bender “Twelve Chairs”

    2. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 1 November 2014 18: 43
      +13
      Our country needs to bend its line !!
      Despite the sanctions! Search for new markets, otherwise KIRDYK!
      Become happy and then the West will not tolerate this!

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      2. ksv1973
        ksv1973 1 November 2014 22: 12
        0
        Quote: dr.Bo
        Our country needs to bend its line !!
        Despite the sanctions! Search for new markets, otherwise KIRDYK!
        Become happy and then the West will not tolerate this!

        Yes, the album "Souls Of Black" for its time, 1990, was not weak. drinks
    3. krasin
      krasin 1 November 2014 18: 49
      +21
      Due to the aggravation of the socio-political situation in Russia and the sharp increase in attempts to leave comments on the Forbes.ru website that may be regarded as extremist, the Forbes editors decided to temporarily block users from commenting on editorial materials on the Forbes.ru website and hide all already published comments. These functions will be restored after normalization.
      Forbes editors apologize to readers.

      Again, dissatisfied rebels in Moscow ????
      In our Urals, I have not seen any aggravation of the situation and have not seen a single aggravated one! Maybe Muscovites discontented climate change to Kolyma, there will pass an aggravation. Nature, clean air, the whole illness as if by hand!
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 1 November 2014 19: 40
        +7
        krasin-y
        Nope, most likely those who want to "earn" $ 10500 on the exchange have lost their 100 recourse . Or the answer went to speculation and appreciation No. . Or maybe just - you goats, star-striped angry . This is Forbes s fellow
      2. lord
        lord 1 November 2014 21: 08
        +2
        Are you with Muscovites again, like Ukrainians with mockals? Not tired yet? Turn on your brains before it's too late.
      3. Know-nothing
        Know-nothing 1 November 2014 22: 06
        +5
        Quote: krasin
        Again, dissatisfied rebels in Moscow ????

        The fifth column tryndit something and even remembers the Maidan, but it is quickly calmed down.
        1. komel
          komel 2 November 2014 01: 39
          +1
          Moscow completely refuses foreign loans.

          The Moscow City Duma is considering a draft budget which states that Moscow intends to make loans only in the domestic market by placing bonds.

          According to the head of the Moscow Department of Finance Elena Zyabbarova, the rejection of external borrowing is associated with a risk of an increase in the exchange rate, bondholders can be individuals, banks, pension funds, management companies.
        2. peter mechkaev
          peter mechkaev 2 November 2014 02: 54
          0
          A year ... and bureaucratic lawlessness on the ground will cause a wave of discontent among the population ... which will also affect the country's leadership ... if measures are not taken to gobble up bureaucrats in power.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 1 November 2014 19: 16
      +3
      Even if there will be a decrease in the volume of deliveries, then this is not critical, anyway we will catch up later.
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 1 November 2014 20: 32
        +5
        Quote: Giant thought
        Even if there will be a decrease in the volume of deliveries, then this is not critical, anyway we will catch up later.

        That is why we have to make up for the lost means of production of production! Primarily! What we did in Ukraine, at the machines under Peter Arkadyevich, at the factories installed, we can replace in any case, but what we purchased before the imposition of sanctions, which requires modern machines and technologies, can become a stumbling block in the execution of contracts. Now the state has turned to face production, there is attention to needs. And there was always enough talent on Russian soil. We will produce decent weapons - there will always be buyers, and if there is a lost profit, we will catch up.
        1. 23 region
          23 region 1 November 2014 21: 24
          +2
          In modern realities, you cannot successfully compete in world markets, if you work on the principle, if you need to create a “feeding trough” for someone, it will be created. This affects the final price of the product. I think our authorities understand that reforms in the military-industrial complex are ripe.

          That is sad. This is not the way the Russian land has become so talented, but those who are feeding from this time should have been shaken.
          Quote: 1812 1945
          Now the state has turned to face production, there is attention to needs. And there was always enough talent on Russian soil. We will produce decent weapons - there will always be buyers, and if there is a lost profit, we will catch up.

          Lavrenty ay, wake up, effective managers are needed.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 1 November 2014 22: 09
            +2
            Quote: Region 23
            Lavrenty ay, wake up, effective managers are needed.

            It is not necessary to insult Palych with a manager - competent organizers are required, it’s more correct.
            1. 23 region
              23 region 1 November 2014 22: 47
              +2
              Quote: Wheel
              competent organizers are required, it’s more correct.

              I agree - a competent manager or "business executive" is better suited to him. And the manager, I agree, is a shitty word, not ours.
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    6. armageddon
      armageddon 1 November 2014 21: 46
      +3
      PPC !!! Reformers damn ... You need to work ... And most importantly, do not steal !!! The defense is a holy thing !!!
  2. IAlex
    IAlex 1 November 2014 18: 36
    +13
    The deputy director of the analytical center is engaged in self-deception and all that is written is nonsense, because he did not work for a day at domestic arms production enterprises ...
  3. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 1 November 2014 18: 40
    +8
    We will not benefit much from the transfer of our technologies, I think they should be transferred only as a last resort, and only if it will be beneficial to us in a strategic plan. soldier
  4. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 1 November 2014 18: 42
    0
    I didn’t even read +, ours are dancing - buzz!
  5. Loner_53
    Loner_53 1 November 2014 18: 45
    +6
    In modern realities, you cannot successfully compete in global markets if you work on the principle if you need to create a "feeding trough" for someone, it will be created. This affects the final price of the product. I think our authorities understand that reforms in the military-industrial complex are ripe.
    pull away from the feeders, hit the raking handles. And also control reinforcedfor the military-industrial complex, which at this stage is done by our President hi
  6. Denis fj
    Denis fj 1 November 2014 18: 46
    +5
    With all components, the issue is solved in the form of two points: 1. testing of all levels of enterprise management; 2. the appointment of managers by the labor collective. And if it's easier - remove the parasites! Why are you shy?
    1. smith7
      smith7 1 November 2014 20: 54
      +4
      Denis! You do not even remotely imagine the subject about which you judge so boldly. And this question has no simple solution. Your text is naive nonsense. True, "Vladimir Shvarev, deputy director of the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade," judges one-sidedly, from his, so to speak, bell tower, which does not do him credit. And on my own behalf, knowing the problem from the inside, everything is bad, but we can handle it even though it will not cost us cheaply or quickly. You have to work a lot. This month, my colleagues and I did not have days off and the "skylight" is not soon ...
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 1 November 2014 18: 48
    +10
    In the country, money is like candy wrappers, we already keep them in Western banks, and such offices as Almaz-Antey, Kalashnikov concern, Izhmash NPO, Basalt, Uralvagonzavod and Instrument Design Bureau are credited in the West, maybe something I do not understand?
    Is it really impossible for such giants to open a direct line in the same Central Bank, under state guarantees. Of course, I understand that our defense industry can not do without Western equipment or microcircuits, but how did finance get here?
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 1 November 2014 18: 53
      +2
      And you will carry your money to a bank that loans them domestic plants controlled by Chubais and notifies you that if the factories do not go to you the loot will not be returned?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 1 November 2014 19: 26
        +2
        Quote: IAlex
        And you will carry your money to a bank that loans them domestic plants controlled by Chubais and notifies you that if the factories do not go to you the loot will not be returned?

        These are strategic enterprises and are state-owned and account for half of the total export earnings of the currency.
        To whom then should you trust your money ............. to Zaskoy meat processing plant?
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 1 November 2014 19: 52
          +16
          I would trust a meat factory that can produce competitive products ...
          And who told you such nonsense about export earnings of foreign currency, arms exports amount to a maximum of $ 16 billion, and all these grandmothers settle in the pockets of the heads of enterprises and Rosoboronexport.

          For example, a year ago, I quit my job, I will bring salaries (in Moscow):
          1. Workers in the workshop - 17000 rubles.
          1. Assembler programmer and circuit designer - 27000 rubles with bonuses.
          2. Equipment collector and tester - 40000 tr
          3. The head of the unit - TR 120000
          4. Deputy director (there are 16 of them for 800 people) - 230000 TR
          5. Director of the company - $ 10.000
          6. Representative of RosoboronService - $ 10.000.

          Moreover, at enterprises, triple bookkeeping (not even double), incl. where the grandmothers go and how they saw themselves there, God himself will not figure it out ... Moreover, the responsibilities of the heads of departments include only signing papers, arranging absolutely spatial meetings for two hours about anything at lunchtime and after work, answers to all questions with the phrase "do it like something to work ", and in case of problems" contact those who directly did it "...

          Yes, and the output is G. .. for everyone who does something with such a salary runs off exactly after a year, so inexperienced students do everything. And the leaders push everything through bribes through acquaintances in all departments, which is why they are sitting there, sawing grandmothers. Therefore, everything falls apart and there is nothing to be surprised ...
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 1 November 2014 22: 22
            +4
            Quote: IAlex
            I would trust a meat factory that can produce competitive products ...
            And who told you such nonsense about export earnings of foreign currency, arms exports amount to a maximum of $ 16 billion, and all these grandmothers settle in the pockets of the heads of enterprises and Rosoboronexport.
            For example, a year ago, I quit my job, I will bring salaries (in Moscow):
            1. Workers in the workshop - 17000 rubles.
            1. Assembler programmer and circuit designer - 27000 rubles with bonuses.
            2. Equipment collector and tester - 40000 tr
            3. The head of the unit - TR 120000
            4. Deputy director (there are 16 of them for 800 people) - 230000 TR
            5. Director of the company - $ 10.000
            6. Representative of RosoboronService - $ 10.000.
            Moreover, at enterprises, triple bookkeeping (not even double), incl. where the grandmothers go and how they saw themselves there, God himself will not figure it out ... Moreover, the responsibilities of the heads of departments include only signing papers, arranging absolutely spatial meetings for two hours about anything at lunchtime and after work, answers to all questions with the phrase "do it like something to work ", and in case of problems" contact those who directly did it "...
            Yes, and the output is G. .. for everyone who does something with such a salary runs off exactly after a year, so inexperienced students do everything. And the leaders push everything through bribes through acquaintances in all departments, which is why they are sitting there, sawing grandmothers. Therefore, everything falls apart and there is nothing to be surprised ...

            Why did you write all this?
            You want to convince that it is not necessary to finance these enterprises, because they steal it?
            Let's not finance (we already did this in the 90s) or is it better to put things in order?
            1. bald
              bald 1 November 2014 23: 49
              +1
              This is not about what is not necessary, but about the time to stop allowing thieves into the defense industry. Because, as it was before, the rule was to spin the allocated money on the side for six months, or even more, it remained so. Then, by the end of the year, money appears - an emergency is going on in their development, the product quality is appropriate. But the "beauty of what is happening" is also in the fact that the uncles from the prosecutor's office come and demand an explanation on what basis for a month or two labor you suddenly have to pay as for four. And these uncles are not interested in the fact that workers disappeared for days at the facilities, the main thing for them is what is written in the pay stubs. - Where, after such machinations and deception, will there be an incentive to work? Fucking capital and here it even warms its little hands!
            2. bald
              bald 1 November 2014 23: 49
              +1
              This is not about what is not necessary, but about the time to stop allowing thieves into the defense industry. Because, as it was before, the rule was to spin the allocated money on the side for six months, or even more, it remained so. Then, by the end of the year, money appears - an emergency is going on in their development, the product quality is appropriate. But the "beauty of what is happening" is also in the fact that the uncles from the prosecutor's office come and demand an explanation on what basis for a month or two labor you suddenly have to pay as for four. And these uncles are not interested in the fact that workers disappeared for days at the facilities, the main thing for them is what is written in the pay stubs. - Where, after such machinations and deception, will there be an incentive to work? Fucking capital and here it even warms its little hands!
          2. ty60
            ty60 1 November 2014 22: 29
            +2
            Gazprom's construction sites are no different
          3. poquello
            poquello 1 November 2014 23: 01
            -2
            like this, at first I saw only the first two paragraphs
            Quote: IAlex
            ...
            For example, a year ago, I quit my job, I will bring salaries (in Moscow):
            1. Workers in the workshop - 17000 rubles.
            1. Assembler programmer and circuit designer - 27000 rubles with bonuses.
            ...

            sweetheart, these are not Moscow salaries, maybe they offer such a limit, but I haven’t heard that either
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 1 November 2014 23: 22
              +4
              Contact the Automation Concern, Moscow office, and ask them a question. And if you don’t know about the man, then the salary grid at enterprises is really scanty, for example, a senior specialist at 11000, a software engineer at 8000 ...

              If you push cars in the store for 60000 units, as my former colleague does, or how I now crap 85000C for 1 at the moment, this does not mean that the salaries you love at military enterprises are the same ...
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              2. poquello
                poquello 2 November 2014 11: 20
                +1
                Quote: IAlex
                Contact the Automation Concern, Moscow office, and ask them a question. And if you don’t know about the man, then the salary grid at enterprises is really scanty, for example, a senior specialist at 11000, a software engineer at 8000 ...
                ...

                Let's talk about real money, not nets, and what does it work for less than 25 ty? I saw this a few years ago, so the people just did not go.
                1. IAlex
                  IAlex 3 November 2014 23: 36
                  0
                  And they do quite work, because instrumentation by qualification is available only at the enterprises of the Ministry of Defense. For some, electronics and instrumentation are life, vocation, parallel love and true self-realization. And I would even work there if the salary was raised to 40, but it was said: "Fuck you, work for 23.500 and be happy about that, because your knowledge is not needed behind the fence, and you won't leave for another country in the next 5 years." ..

                  This ended 4,5 years of work in my last research institute ... All whom I know and who I worked with are young specialists who were still students, and middle-aged people, although they went elsewhere, and even They make good money, but they still miss the tasks that they together implemented, because they don’t do anywhere else in the offices of such a level in the Russian Federation for the development of complex devices except for research institutes and related offices ...
            2. IAlex
              IAlex 2 November 2014 00: 25
              +2
              In order not to trend in the wind, and in the future there were no accusations of libel, I was not able to scan, I am enclosing a set of documents:
              the first reflects the salary for the year (doc official personal income tax).
              The next two confirmations by the workbook that I worked there and in the role of whom.
              The last thing is that I didn’t beat anyone.
              T.ch. if you think that in Moscow one village man is pushing cars for 100000 pieces thinking about where to dump and spend time on vacation - you should upset you, most of our defense industry works as a slave system, and rests on the remnants of the Soviet school for 50-60 years, and students under 28 who run away, although they are theoretically prepared and have a twinkle in their eyes, but after treating them like shit for nothing, everyone runs away to where ...
              To view normally, enlarge the page, or simply save and open the photo viewer on your computer ...
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      2. poquello
        poquello 1 November 2014 19: 29
        +2
        Quote: IAlex
        And you will carry your money to a bank that loans them domestic plants controlled by Chubais and notifies you that if the factories do not go to you the loot will not be returned?

        ett you go to the heights, and the roots in Russia since EBN have been growing when local financiers took cheap loans from bourgeois and resold them at exorbitant prices, and what has changed or formed in this area since then
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 1 November 2014 19: 50
          +3
          I go to the bottom, because I personally did this export technique for India, and it’s not a matter of financial degenerates, bankers, if there is a guaranteed profit more than in other places, they will sell their own mother, it’s business managers and nothing more ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 1 November 2014 20: 24
            +1
            Quote: IAlex
            I go to the bottom, because I personally did this export technique for India, and it’s not a matter of financial degenerates, bankers, if there is a guaranteed profit more than in other places, they will sell their own mother, it’s business managers and nothing more ...

            Well, you never know who did what,
            ... you can not do without the western ... finance how to get here?

            Of course, I understand that you’ve gotten sick, and shitty managers in the defense industry tend to be present, but in this case the question is why Western loans.
            And you will carry your money to where it is more reliable and where profitablethose you put them at the rate above than interesting for the enterprise. This is the consumer level of money turnover, and below the wholesale lending market where rates are lower, amounts are larger and where banks are already spinning, and further inland.
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 1 November 2014 20: 30
              +5
              And where else will they give loans? In the east, they are more expensive, all the more so it isn’t accepted to steal, in the country after 90s divorces they don’t trust local crooks anymore, all the more so that all Western loans, even in the Russian Federation, will not come, but simply creep into the accounts of domestic officials there.
              T.ch. everything is absolutely logical and nothing will be done in the Russian Federation, everything will remain a trending ..
              And, to be honest, I don’t care at all, thieves should be in prison, and not waste my taxes anywhere - this is the only thing that bothers me ...
          2. ty60
            ty60 1 November 2014 22: 30
            0
            perfectly accurate definition
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      4. Penzyac
        Penzyac 1 November 2014 22: 58
        +1
        Quote: IAlex
        And you will carry your money to a bank that loans them domestic plants controlled by Chubais and notifies you that if the factories do not go to you the loot will not be returned?

        With such a discount rate and the habit of our banks to live far from two percent, the money received by banks from the Central Bank can only be on the speculative financial market, because no reasonable person will take a loan at such predatory interest.
        And they (the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance and banks) are all talking about inflation. How can she not, if necessary, repel such interest?
    2. poquello
      poquello 1 November 2014 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      ... I certainly understand that our defense industry cannot do without Western equipment or microchips, but how did finance get here?

      from the greed of local financiers
  8. raid14
    raid14 1 November 2014 18: 50
    +11
    "The thunder will not strike, the man will not cross himself." That, in the years of high oil prices and budget surpluses, our smart heads did not invest in the modernization of machine-tool building and microelectronics, but put money in the NWF moneybox and sponsored the US Federal Reserve, buying up American securities.
    1. 73bor
      73bor 1 November 2014 19: 53
      +3
      In fact, in our country, machine-tool building was never at the forefront, in any Soviet factory you could come and see either the latest Japanese, Swiss, or old WWII machines and German machines, and ours are alarming universal machines, because as in a planned economy, flow is the main thing.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 November 2014 01: 04
        +1
        Japan, we also bought machines from us. In Ulyanovsk, we made the world's largest milling machines, and Sheveitsaria put in and sold watch mechanisms in their cases as ours. And then all this went black - the Ulyanovsk factory was divided, and the watch factories almost all died.
  9. Barboskin
    Barboskin 1 November 2014 18: 53
    +2
    The military-industrial complex will not suffer much, exports have fallen, but domestic demand has grown. However, one cannot lose the foreign market. Given the crisis in Europe, we will find a way to buy equipment. Stalin bought tanks under the guise of tractors and nothing.
  10. bmv04636
    bmv04636 1 November 2014 18: 55
    +1
    Well, how do I remember the liberals threw stones, that we are selling weapons for our loans, and the "light elves" for their money sell their weapons to the Jews, and so it turns out that out of 35 billion greens about the bottom weapons, perhaps gave the Jews who bought the F-35 with this money and other junk, how many such "gratuitously" sponsored Japan, Korea, Egypt come to mind (though they got graters here)
  11. fim lex
    fim lex 1 November 2014 18: 56
    0
    It is surprising that the Yankees have not yet outbid the managers of the military-industrial complex.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 1 November 2014 22: 01
      +2
      Quote: fim-lex
      It is surprising that the Yankees have not yet outbid the managers of the military-industrial complex.

      IS NOT A FACT. Work here for the special services, no end.
  12. pahom54
    pahom54 1 November 2014 19: 00
    +8
    How does such an influential person declare: Breaking down cooperation ties with Ukraine is a disaster for the Russian military-industrial complex ??? !!! Didn’t you see what Ukraine is going to ??? Did she only this year began to spoil Russia ???

    "...in terms of equipment (machines, conveyors, etc.) we are seriously behind in a number of positions. In this sense, the ban on the export to Russia of high-tech equipment for defense industry enterprises, of course, will adversely affect"...

    And what is this, it was not visible in advance and is unknown ???
    I was always amazed that the winter for officials EVERY YEAR comes suddenly, but here, Yoshkin’s root, sanctions suddenly came and Ukraine suddenly got into a mess ...
    How much can you hear such bullshit from dignitaries ??? !!! ...
    1. 23 region
      23 region 1 November 2014 22: 05
      +3
      Quote: pahom54
      How much can you hear such bullshit from dignitaries ??? !!! ...

      Well, you are just as small. And your pocket, family, children, and "share" is necessary. Is it to the machines here?
      Lavrenty ay!
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  13. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 1 November 2014 19: 01
    +3
    We’ll break through. The main thing is not to bend in front of the west. And we didn’t get out of such troubles either. It doesn’t reach them that it’s better not to mess with the Russians.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 1 November 2014 22: 12
      0
      Quote: Grigorievich
      We’ll break through. The main thing is not to bend in front of the west. And we didn’t get out of such troubles either. It doesn’t reach them that it’s better not to mess with the Russians.

      Of course we will break through.
      They have already broken through
      http://sadalskij.livejournal.com/1783069.html
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  14. Alekseev
    Alekseev 1 November 2014 19: 10
    +6
    If "the preservation of the sanctions regime in the long term, this may complicate the life of our" defense industry ".", Then it is quite obvious that such a sanctions regime would sooner or later be launched in spite of the Ukrainian events. There would be a reason.
    What to do, what to do?
    Hack on your nose that attempts to crawl half bent into the global global economy under the auspices of the United States - a bare number.
    Partially close the country.
    The ruble must be provided with all goods and services produced in the Russian Federation.
    Those. having a ruble, you can buy any Russian product: oil, gas, weapons, a spaceship, grain and more.
    And if there are no rubles?
    Buy from the Central Bank (authorized banks). All to deal with currency not to let a damn, but speculation there is nothing good from this.
    Citizens only buy currency when traveling abroad on personal matters or on a business trip, and not hide under mattresses. accordingly, interest on long-term deposits with banks does not have the right to be less than inflation - financiers want to live too fat.
    But do not the USA lend on the external EU market? In China, chickens don’t peck, a bit, as neededYou can take it.
    Only then will inflation fall within the framework.
    What is the use of the so-called investors who speculate on secondary stock market? What, does this money directly go to manufacturing enterprises? Say, if the stock is expensive, then the loan will give more. And you need to borrow less. Buying a finished machine in the West is sometimes easier and will give a rollback. yes
    But do not ... It is only necessary to buy, perhaps, a high-tech part from the machine tool, which we cannot manufacture ourselves yet. Although this path is more complicated, there is simply no other reliable path.
    And do not buy various rubbish in the West, such as Polish apples. we ourselves are heaps of apples. When it became known for what amount we buy apples and other chemicalized crap in the EU, "the hand involuntarily reaches for the gun." As if in Central Asia or Azerbaijan all this is growing worse!
    Ah, this is the WTO requirement to open markets!
    Are discriminatory sanctions provided for in this WTO?
    No. Then went to FIG such a WTO.
    Of course, it is clear that the whole bulk of Russian trade needs time to be deployed, certain costs will be, but there is no other way.
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    2. 23 region
      23 region 1 November 2014 22: 23
      +1
      And again we return to - Energy currency - a currency based not on a binding to gold or other precious metals, but on an energy equivalent, that is, its idea is to replace the currency nomination in grams of gold with the nomination in kilowatt hours.

      The first proposals for the introduction of the energy equivalent of the currency were made, apparently in the 1920-1930s. near Soviet economists.

      Later, one of the prominent supporters of this idea was Pobisk Georgievich Kuznetsov, who popularized it already in the 1990s.

      As of 2009, the concept of energy currency did not receive any widespread official support even in Russia, whose officials more than once substantiated the possibility of accepting the Russian ruble as one of the world's reserve currencies, relying largely on Russia's export capabilities in the field of energy resources.
      Although with our reserves of hydrocarbons, God himself commanded.
  15. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 1 November 2014 19: 12
    +8
    The sale of weapons abroad is a controversial topic.
    On the one hand, the receipt of money in the budget and the full-scale testing of our weapons in foreign wars.
    On the other hand, the transfer of advanced weapons is unclear to anyone. And it is not known how all this will come back through 5-7 years.
    That is, the main plus is budget filling. But if you look at the reasonable spending of reserve funds, then one question arises. Maybe spend money on the purchase of weapons for their own army, and not to "help" Rosneft and banks? For reference, it is planned to spend more than 2 trillion rubles from the reserve fund on this "aid" this year. rub. And the proceeds from the export of weapons - no more than 20 billion rubles. Isn't it time to wake up?
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 2 November 2014 14: 02
      0
      Rosoboronexport sells on the principle that it doesn't matter to whom, just to sell. Money doesn't smell. And this money does not work for the state, but for the enrichment of those who drive this process. Is it really hard to understand ??? For this revenue, the reporting is completely different. For cutting the State Defense Order, they can punish, but here it is a complete fraud. Steal, I don't want to. And naturally, there are no moral restrictions. We transfer weapons to a potential enemy, And this is a very serious crime. And not to sell = for example TPS "Solntsepek" for the Ukroarmiya ??? Profit, Russia "wins" in export deliveries, despite Western sanctions !!! This is the logic of many VO couch fighters.
      No, deliveries should be exclusively to the Russian armed forces, only order is needed in the military-industrial complex, otherwise we will not have to wait for anything good !!!
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  16. poquello
    poquello 1 November 2014 19: 14
    +2
    The most important in the production of metalworking machines. Today it is 40% Russian-made equipment.

    in and domestic machines went into growth, unless of course the junk is considered
  17. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 1 November 2014 19: 16
    0
    Che village article for sure But let's pray for the instinct of the president and plowman Rogozin who will not give the defense industry offense
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 1 November 2014 19: 27
      0
      And what does Rogozin plow, except for his own infantilism?
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      2. 23 region
        23 region 1 November 2014 22: 31
        0
        Quote: IAlex
        And what does Rogozin plow, except for his own infantilism?

        Well, the secretary, I hope, plows. And then right away - infantilism.
        Here at the cosmodrome 1.8 billion has already "plowed", and promised order and cleanliness.
        Although already in 2012 everyone knew everything about theft.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 1 November 2014 22: 53
          +2
          Vladimir, what the hell is a secretary? Already 25 years ago, positions were called - a secretary or a prostitute. Well and intended use.
          But about thievery is not so simple. It depends on who and where. Serdyukov is not an example?
          1. 23 region
            23 region 1 November 2014 23: 01
            -1
            Quote: Reserve officer
            And about thievery is not so simple

            Alexey about theft at the spaceport was beaten two years ago, with facts and surnames. And yesterday I read about Serdyukov:

            PRUSSAK (1) RU  Yesterday, 21:50 PM


            the project "Serdyukov Defense Minister" is nothing more than an operation covering the beginning of a real military reform, or do you think that Shoigu came and everything immediately began to spin and spin, this does not happen, a huge preliminary work has been done. Vasilyeva is just a doll that was used in the dark. created the impression of a complete collapse of the system. Let us bow to Serdyukov, who deliberately put an end to his career for the sake of the greatness of the country.
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            2. 23 region
              23 region 1 November 2014 23: 07
              -2
              How do you like Serdyukov at Calvary, expiating the sins of the whole army?
              1. RONIN-HS
                RONIN-HS 2 November 2014 10: 02
                +1
                You can’t joke with such things! Why banish a crucifix ... ??? Less to you.
                1. 23 region
                  23 region 2 November 2014 10: 54
                  0
                  Quote: RONIN-HS
                  You can’t joke with such things! Why banish a crucifix ... ??? Less to you.

                  Strong rejection of dissent. This is the root of any bloodshed.
                  1. lord
                    lord 3 November 2014 00: 22
                    +1
                    Rejection of "dissent"? What do you mean by dissent? Insulting the feelings of believers? And if, forgive me, they will say something about your mother, you will not mind either? Well, this is also kind of "dissent"! Your position is the essence of the same liberalism, thank you, you are already full! Minus you!
                    1. 23 region
                      23 region 3 November 2014 10: 30
                      0
                      How do believers like to attribute their behavior to atheists. Such intolerance of dissent is peculiar only to believers, therefore there is no need to shift their blame on atheists.
                      Well, to you kre a plus.
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            3. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 1 November 2014 23: 30
              +3
              Vladimir, to be honest, I do not believe in any cover operation with Serdyukov. Director of a furniture factory, then the tax office. This is a school of theft. And only then - the Minister of Defense. I do not want (and I don’t know the facts) to analyze in detail my career and protectorate, but such a past leaves a mark on my life. Self-sacrifice here does not smell. And Vasilyeva is just a nearby greedy woman. What millions. Nothing surprised.
            4. Demetry
              Demetry 1 November 2014 23: 55
              +1
              Quote: Region 23
              Let us bow to Serdyukov, who deliberately put an end to his career for the good of the greatness of the country.

              I really think that he didn’t do it for nothing. Agreed in advance compensation he still received ....

              Well, I think so)
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    3. Karabin
      Karabin 1 November 2014 21: 56
      0
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      and plowman Rogozin

      laughing
  18. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 1 November 2014 19: 21
    +1
    Say what you like, but you will have to endure for some time, and then everything will fall into place and the scoundrels will have to answer for everything: for outright lies, and for playing along with the so-called "lights of democracy." And now, at this time, you will have to invest the state ruble in intensive industrial re-equipment without really hoping for "investments" - there is no other way, unless, of course, the countries that do not support the "collective west" as an aggressor, including themselves, do not wake up from their sleep.
  19. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 1 November 2014 19: 28
    -1
    Yes, damn it))) why the ram mattresses are like that - print 19 lard, let the FRS in the bank exchange for old bills and send to Ukraine ... damn, and we will sink the ship, although ((((understandably, animals, through an Israeli bank you’ll translate it to NYU! Well, there on the news - they say they looted the loot, Moyshi!
  20. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 1 November 2014 19: 40
    +5
    <<< To put it simply, we do not manufacture the required machines. The second colossal gap is the electronic component base. In recent years, the Russian military-industrial complex has been rapidly reducing its backlog, but this is not an overnight process. >>>
    An epiphany came after many years of libes..al politics, when the West suddenly became a partner, almost a friend, and there was no need to develop its defense industry, which had previously been destroyed by the efforts of our libes..alov, the production of element base and components for the defense industry! As Medvedev said when he was the unforgettable Taburetkin, when there was, if I may say so, the peak of the reboot and "European integration" with Western partners, if our Defense Ministry does not like the products of our defense industry, the Defense Ministry will purchase military equipment abroad and the Mistrals began to purchase, " Rysey "and so on. Thank God, a sobering up came pretty quickly and the understanding that Russia was and remains an Opponent for the West, a kind of" Carthage ", in spite of various Western periodic polities and approvals of Russia's actions! And today Russia has no other way but to follow the practice of the USSR, which was able to create first-class weapons in conditions of isolation and confrontation with the West! It is clear that for this a lot of things the USSR, and this could not have been avoided then, (and cannot be avoided today), had to be acquired "in different ways" abroad, fortunately, that money decides a lot! But the main thing is its powerful defense-industrial complex with minimal dependence on imports!
  21. Vancha
    Vancha 1 November 2014 19: 50
    +3
    Or maybe most of the weapons are used to protect our country. I want to think so;)
  22. lichide
    lichide 1 November 2014 19: 58
    +1
    On the one hand, it is immoral to trade moonshine, drugs, weapons, and on the other hand, it’s stupid to sell a bandit’s knife, giving away your wallet. On the one hand, it’s not fair to accuse Amerikosov of waging war exactly where we sold weapons, and on the other hand, it’s mean to send money from the sale of weapons to Merikans, covering the bare ass with an excuse about the Stabilization Fund.
  23. Normal ok
    Normal ok 1 November 2014 20: 10
    0
    You need to calmly do what is right. And then we'll see.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 1 November 2014 21: 59
      0
      Quote: Normal ok
      You need to calmly do what is right.

      And to be for all the good, and against all the bad.
      and what is CORRECT?
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 1 November 2014 23: 17
        +1
        For the gifted: the right thing is to build the economy, develop the armed forces, strengthen society, and intervene in geopolitical squabbles. That's right - that's what is good for the country. Unlike "not right" laughing But it’s not right - it is to put cons from the ceiling.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 2 November 2014 01: 16
          +1
          Quote: Normal ok
          right - this is to build an economy, develop the armed forces, strengthen society, intervene in geopolitical showdowns.

          I agree, except for the showdown - it's debatable. But how do these virtues relate specifically to the problems raised by the article? With the same success, you can write, for example, a comprehensive: "We must love the Motherland."
          Quote: Normal ok
          But it’s not right - it is to put cons from the ceiling.

          This is not at the address. Apparently, someone read your comment and thought, the captains were obvious, and an honest minus slammed. Since you are very upset, I compensate for my advantage. wink
          PS If you came here for a "marshal", then, in principle, the post is correct. You just need to place the discussion at the top and not be ashamed of grandiloquent words about Russia, even if out of place, about wise Putin, bad Medvedev and stupid American presidents (all), etc. The problems of the publication under discussion, however, do not matter. I wish you good luck in your career.
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      3. Demetry
        Demetry 2 November 2014 02: 35
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        and what is CORRECT?

        Right is what is right.
        And wrong is the opposite - what’s wrong !!! smile
  24. sv68
    sv68 1 November 2014 20: 23
    +1
    the paradox of life — sanctions against us help us to start crawling out of the swamp of raw materials and start to think with our heads — only complete degradation of entire sectors of the economy could be further. We need sanctions to last at least five years, then production should be brought to of the mind.
    1. lord
      lord 1 November 2014 21: 57
      +4
      This is where the "mysterious Russian soul" is manifested! Russians, as a rule, achieve success not "thanks", but "in spite of"! wink
  25. lichide
    lichide 1 November 2014 20: 42
    +1
    Something haunts me. Probably the suspicion that we, the people, are simple spectators of political basketball between Rasea and Merikaniya. EEC is a bit of a purchased judge on the court.
  26. bmv04636
    bmv04636 1 November 2014 22: 13
    +1
    On October 30, London began broadcasting the new RT UK television channel to a British audience. The capital of the United Kingdom became the third after Moscow and Washington, where RT opened targeted broadcasting from its own studio. RT correspondent Polina Boyko tells how residents of Foggy Albion perceived the emergence of a new channel.
    There is a new participant in the British news arena: RT UK has officially started broadcasting. Broadcasting is conducted from a London studio in the Milbank area. The goal is to present an alternative view of events in the UK, as well as to tell those news that are not adequately covered here.
  27. Second
    Second 1 November 2014 22: 29
    +1
    Selling the latest developments to foreigners is a national betrayal. Well, if we sell to our allies. For example, Serbia, Latin America, the Middle East, but selling to China, for example, the latest developments is a betrayal. Moreover, the Chinese themselves write about the future war with us. And the money received for the sale of technology will still be blocked by oligarchic despotism. Abramovich and Friedman will build a dozen more yachts and buy a couple of castles in London ...
    PS Urgent message from Igor Strelkova! He asks for moral support for the militias who are now fighting in the trenches for New Russia and come to the Russian march.
  28. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 1 November 2014 22: 40
    +4
    Quote: Denis fj
    With all components, the issue is solved in the form of two points: 1. testing of all levels of enterprise management; 2. the appointment of managers by the labor collective. And if it's easier - remove the parasites! Why are you shy?


    What kind of kindergarten? How old are you, Denis?
    I heard these statements 25 years ago, and it was done, so what has changed for the better? Instead of some pigs, others crawled to the trough with money. And that’s all!
  29. siberalt
    siberalt 1 November 2014 23: 02
    0
    The system needs to be changed until a chance has appeared. hi
  30. komel
    komel 1 November 2014 23: 08
    0
    Tractors and pushers of BAZ CJSC Pavel Goncharov Chairman of the Board of Directors of Bryansk Automobile Plant CJSC

    The Ministry of Defense does not have a specific structure that exercises the functions of a state customer that would bear full responsibility for the final result - the implementation of a unified military-technical policy, taking into account the characteristics of all stages of the life cycle.

    Previously, the system clearly signaled the roles and functions of the customer and the contractor at all stages of the life cycle of arms and military equipment. Regulatory documents regulated the relationship between the Ministry of Defense and a specific industrial enterprise. It was clear which body of military command, which official is responsible for the result at each stage of the life cycle. The order of the Ministry of Defense clearly indicated who to ask for the outcome.

    Who will explain the artificial monopolization of the military vehicle market by one manufacturer and the concentration of production essentially in one place in the country? Are the prospects for the development of the BAZ very vague?

    BAZ tractor
    1. komel
      komel 2 November 2014 01: 25
      +1
      Draft law No. 555597-6 “On industrial policy in the Russian Federation” was adopted in the first reading and submitted to parliamentary hearings.

      THERE is Chapter IV. INDUSTRIAL POLICY
      In the DEFENSE-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

      The document under discussion is also political. It should become an effective tool for new industrialization in the face of Russia's challenge.

      Now a national industry council is being created under the president, the recommendations of which will, I think, be binding on all subjects of the Russian Federation.
  31. zibo1668
    zibo1668 1 November 2014 23: 58
    +1
    Sell ​​only outdated technology!
  32. Amper
    Amper 1 November 2014 23: 59
    0
    It is immoral to destroy one’s own people. His story, (which is not possible to destroy) his moral principles, his religion, if any. To kill peaceful people is immoral !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Killing people is immoral if they do not kill other people !!
  33. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 2 November 2014 10: 41
    -1
    If the representatives of our military-industrial complex sell tanks to India, and then do not sell them the technology for making ammunition for them, then it’s no surprise that India abandoned our aircraft.
    1. Prager
      Prager 2 November 2014 12: 23
      0
      I absolutely agree with you to the last word! All the same, there is, as you wrote.
    2. poquello
      poquello 2 November 2014 13: 58
      -1
      Quote: Yoon Clob
      If the representatives of our military-industrial complex sell tanks to India, and then do not sell them the technology for making ammunition for them, then it’s no surprise that India abandoned our aircraft.

      Yes, and even forgot to sell them all our other technologies, they are able to make their own shells, but worse
      1. Yun Klob
        Yun Klob 2 November 2014 16: 14
        0
        http://topwar.ru/61267-indiya-vynuzhdena-pokupat-dorogostoyaschie-snaryady-dlya-
        t-90-u-rossii.html
  34. voliador
    voliador 2 November 2014 14: 59
    0
    Fairly objective look. What our bureaucrats lack.
  35. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 2 November 2014 22: 40
    0
    it is possible to develop machine-tool industry on the basis of previously existing factories, for example, the Ivanovo machine-tool building, where they did processing back in the 80s. center. It's just that now the structure of managing the processes of developing industries has been destroyed, enterprises transferred to thieving private traders have closed due to their banal sale of machines and equipment, and the buildings are used for repairing cars and warehouses! The state did not develop its industry, becoming a raw material appendage of the West, and when the "democratic" West said - give up your resources or let's go to fight, they woke up. Therefore, the lesson is that no market itself regulates anything! All markets are governed by laws in all developed countries! Therefore, do not believe the liberals hanging noodles on the ears !!! am
  36. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 2 November 2014 23: 10
    0
    it is possible to develop machine-tool industry on the basis of previously existing factories, for example, the Ivanovo machine-tool building, where they did processing back in the 80s. center. It's just that now the structure of managing the processes of developing industries has been destroyed, enterprises transferred to thieving private traders have closed due to their banal sale of machines and equipment, and the buildings are used for repairing cars and warehouses! The state did not develop its industry, becoming a raw material appendage of the West, and when the "democratic" West said - give up your resources or let's go to fight, they woke up. Therefore, the lesson is that no market itself regulates anything! All markets are governed by laws in all developed countries! Therefore, do not believe the liberals hanging noodles on the ears !!! am
  37. Cristall
    Cristall 3 November 2014 04: 07
    0
    it is strange that the representative said that the break with Ukraine is a disaster.
    In all respects, everything was sprightly - Lyalya poplar imported all importing replaced all made better. Whether they were silent were cheaper. And then a fly in the ointment.
    I read about Rybinsk about engines from MS.
    Interestingly. According to MS - even if all engines are completely replaced, MS will lose only about 30%. And he will return this share because of the low price / more debugged quality. Yes and grew. the segment was still shrinking. In general, money is time and loss, but mb engines learn to replace everything. Okay with MS, but what about IP? The combination of IP + MS is unique ... by the way, one should ask how the afterburner for the yak is doing there. Since only China is selling. For a competitor. Maybe for the sake of the Chinese and will not do for the Russian Federation. Although MS can. After all, Orshansky was not without reason acquired. They will find a way to integrate into the Russian Federation .. They are private traders.
    But with Rybinsk ... there are problems, until the stand is done, years will pass. As long as the products come off .. well, at least 2017-2020 .... with billions of dollars ...
    There are even calls to buy the same Nikolaev modified ones from China (what is there with the license is not clear, but Ukraine once poked the Chinese on engines in Peru. But here the Russian Federation may well)
    In general, the article is vaguely like that. Sadness is that everything is falling. The previous one was a record.
    But then "Krymnash"