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Expert: Moscow has reason to blame the West for breaking promises

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Russia has every reason to believe that the West has broken its promises to create a mutually acceptable political order in Europe after the end of the cold war, says American expert on international relations Joshua Schirfinson in his article published in Foreign Affairs. Reports about it RIA News.

Expert: Moscow has reason to blame the West for breaking promises


“The administration of George W. Bush and his political allies did a great job to convince the Soviet leaders that everyone would benefit from the European order, but American politicians did not intend to put this idea into practice,” he writes.

Schirfinson notes that the inadmissibility of NATO expansion to the East was discussed along with the issue of unification of Germany. The compromise was that the USSR would abandon its interests in the GDR, while NATO would remain in its positions.

"According to the common interpretation of the concept of" east ", any of the states, which later became part of the alliance, was supposed to remain outside the" western orbit ". In a diplomatic dispatch following the meetings of US Secretary of State James Baker with the Foreign Minister of Germany Hans-Dietrich Genscher and the Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, it was stated that Baker made it clear that the United States supported the German unification project for many years and that the presence of a unified Germany within NATO was conjugate with Washington’s willingness to provide guarantees of non-expansion of the bloc to the east, ”the expert notes.

That is, by agreeing to the “Genscher project,” the USSR hoped that the West would respond with the same restraint. “The Soviet leadership reasonably believed that this was an equal exchange,” concludes Shifrinson.
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  1. Kosta153
    Kosta153 31 October 2014 15: 28
    +37
    Only an Anglo-Saxon friend can be worse than the enemy of Anglo-Saxon. I don’t remember who said. 19th century.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 31 October 2014 15: 31
      +17
      Now our politicians have finally realized that it is impossible to believe the Anglo-Saxons in anything, he does not hold his own words.
      1. lexx2038
        lexx2038 31 October 2014 15: 53
        +12
        Quote: Giant thought
        Now our politicians have finally realized that it is impossible to believe the Anglo-Saxons in anything, he does not hold his own words.

        Yeah, they understood, they were crying directly, and the Russian grandmothers were hiding on bourgeois banks, hiding ...
        1. kodxnumx
          kodxnumx 31 October 2014 15: 58
          +5
          Gone are those times when in Russia they believed in the word USA to Europe! Let them forget it and we will remember it as a bad dream!
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      3. IOwTZ
        IOwTZ 31 October 2014 18: 49
        0
        The funniest comment on VO is that "our politicians understood ..." Marshal, in no case should you be allowed to hold responsible positions, and of course those who instructed the plus sign.
    2. Kostyar
      Kostyar 31 October 2014 16: 45
      +3
      Who to believe then, these nonsense?
      They do not even have the concept of Homeland, their loot and the king and God ...
      In short, a mistake of nature !!!
    3. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 31 October 2014 16: 45
      +7
      Quote: Kosta153
      readiness

      "It is bad to have an Anglo-Saxon as an enemy, but even worse to have him as a friend." - General Alexey Efimovich Vandam. The truth has long been known, but only traitors and dullards ruled the country at the end of the twentieth century.
      1. Kosta153
        Kosta153 31 October 2014 17: 01
        0
        Thank you, a distant stranger friend!
      2. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 31 October 2014 18: 09
        0
        "England never takes the side of the defeated. That is why she and England ..." (Margaret Mitchell)
        "Money is in New York, brothels are in Paris, but ideals are ideals only in London" (Vsevolod Ovchinnikov)
        Are there any questions to the "Anglo-Saxons" ?!
        "Yes, only traitors and dumb people ruled the country at the end of the twentieth century" ... What country ?! Friday after all ... If possible, specify the country ..., exaltation in the comments is accepted ... I'm dumb, old-fashioned ... I want specifics ...
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 31 October 2014 18: 56
          +4
          Joseph Vissarionovich once sent a photograph to Churchill in difficult times ... Anglo-Saxon didn’t change his mind, was given ... And the second front opened almost immediately ... It’s a pity that Vissarionovich is no longer from foreign policy.
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          2. gunya
            gunya 1 November 2014 06: 43
            +1
            Yes, and in the internal is not observed.
    4. Tron
      Tron 31 October 2014 19: 16
      0
      Quote: Kosta153
      Only an Anglo-Saxon friend can be worse than the enemy of Anglo-Saxon. I don’t remember who said it.

      "What could be worse than a war with the Anglo-Saxons - only friendship." Author -Edrikhin (Vandam) A.E., General Gen. PC. tsarist army
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 31 October 2014 19: 18
      +1
      well then we’ll finish the phrase - a good Anglo-Saxon is a dead Anglo-Saxon so what?
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 31 October 2014 20: 56
      0
      Quote: Kosta153
      Only an Anglo-Saxon friend can be worse than the enemy of Anglo-Saxon. I don’t remember who said. 19th century.

      What was to be expected?
      When the American foster Gorbachev signed an agreement on Germany, he simply played along with his boss Bush.
    7. Denis fj
      Denis fj 31 October 2014 23: 21
      0
      Contracts with the West that enshrine legally, that no-- the result is one. A recent prime example is Yanukovych. It is useless to agree on something with these scammers: they will betray and deceive.
      Crimea is an ordinary policy, and now that Russia feels power, do not be surprised by the United States, all of Russia's actions are ordinary politics, Why is Europe scared? Is this a common policy? Go Russia!!! As the saying goes - With wolves live like a wolf howl !!! They do not understand a language other than power !!!! Go Russia!!!!
  2. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 31 October 2014 15: 28
    +12
    "With a sharpie, don't play cards!"
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 31 October 2014 15: 30
    +16
    “The administration of George W. Bush and his political allies did a great job to convince the Soviet leaders that everyone would benefit from the European order, but American politicians did not intend to put this idea into practice,” he writes.


    Liberals reiterate to us like a mantra ... RUSSIA must comply with international law ....

    and I tell them to play according to the rules of international SHULER (USA, OSCE, PACE, etc.) is stupid .... you will always be the losing side, that RUSSIA does not do for them.

    The result is obvious ... NATO is on our borders ...... RUSSIA UNDER THE BLOCK of sanctions from our sworn partners and friends of the USA and EUROPE.
    1. kaa_andrey
      kaa_andrey 31 October 2014 16: 45
      +1
      We no longer believe them, and less the same ...
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  5. SAM 5
    SAM 5 31 October 2014 15: 31
    +10
    Hope for gentlemen, but don’t be fooled by yourself. Alas, we were led for a long time to the promises of the West. Now we got what we have.
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 31 October 2014 15: 50
      +3
      Quote: SAM 5
      Hope for gentlemen, but don’t be fooled by yourself. Alas, we were led for a long time to the promises of the West. Now we got what we have.

      There is no silver lining - now we’ll be smarter.
      1. figwam
        figwam 31 October 2014 15: 54
        +4
        They cheated, cheat and will cheat.
      2. askort154
        askort154 31 October 2014 16: 57
        +2
        ksv1973 ...... There is no silver lining - now we’ll be smarter.


        Not much wiser. The "no-fly zone" over Libya was swallowed the only way.
        Lavrov insisted to vote in the UN Security Council against. But the command of the then president insisted - "abstain" from voting. Liberals still - well, very, very much believe the United States so that not only their "stash", but also part of the state "common fund" is kept with them! And you say - DREAMED.
  6. Prager
    Prager 31 October 2014 15: 31
    +5
    naive Gorbachev, sophisticated in party games, like a boy caught on the hook of sharks of world politics. lit up like a peasant in the city market. Russia is still hacking.
    1. Genur
      Genur 31 October 2014 15: 40
      +6
      With this chameleon, not everything is clear
      1. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 31 October 2014 15: 52
        +6
        There are serious suspicions that the "flight of Rust" and the "purges" that followed in the upper echelons of the Soviet army were a political provocation carefully planned by the West, which gave rise to their agent - "Gorby" - to clear out of the USSR generals the maximum number of persons who categorically did not share his "liberal" views ...
        http://svpressa.ru/society/article/9326/
        http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1298624/post221980325/
        .
        Shame on Fashington agents!
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 31 October 2014 16: 28
          +2
          Quote: tkhonov66
          Shame on Fashington agents!

          Yes, they put these agents on your shame with a big part!
    2. Poppy
      Poppy 31 October 2014 17: 05
      +2
      Are you sure that it was caught, and not originally so calculated?
  7. sever.56
    sever.56 31 October 2014 15: 32
    +18
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/063/tbzu536.jpg
  8. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 31 October 2014 15: 32
    +8
    Expert: Moscow has reason to blame the West for breaking promises

    They only thought of it just now, I generally knew my whole conscious life about it
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto 31 October 2014 15: 33
    +11
    In this situation, by the way, Tagged is 100% to blame. In democracy and "new thinking" wanted to play, you fool. Played ...
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 31 October 2014 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      In democracy and "new thinking" wanted to play, you fool. Played ...

      So what?
      Lost?
      I mean, he, personally?
  10. IAlex
    IAlex 31 October 2014 15: 35
    -2
    All this crap, a man like any other animal, if it cannot win by social approaches, falls to physiological ones, as a result, who turns out to have steeper armament of that and slippers, it was, it is, it will be so. Everything else is just a snot of excuse for the losers ...
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 31 October 2014 18: 14
      +2
      In your
      - Who used to get up and slippers ...
      Everything else is just a snot of excuse for the losers ...
      go barefoot do you think
      WEAR YOUR Slippers and HAVE TO BE!
      And be in your place and who should be, and not like Gorbachev
      And we don’t chew snot - WE BREAK IT
  11. SAM 5
    SAM 5 31 October 2014 15: 35
    +4
    Expert: Moscow has reason to blame the West for breaking promises

    There are reasons, but no use.
  12. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 31 October 2014 15: 36
    +6
    Moscow has the opportunity to accuse the West not only of breaking promises .... But also of many other things, military interference in the affairs of sovereign states, imposing their political will, economic and financial blockade, various sanctions ...... I think many can complement me .... In short, Americans are scum, and Europeans are their mongrel ....
  13. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 31 October 2014 15: 42
    +3
    The Eastern European states should have preferred a non-aligned development path based on positive neutrality over NATO membership. They chose something else. This is their choice. However, they should be aware that in a real confrontation they become hostages of the situation. As for the former promises of "NATO's non-proliferation to the east," we do not need to pretend to be an offended girl who herself knew that she would be offended, but went on a date. In general, in what museum have you seen an "honest politician" under the hood! I think that Gorbachev understood that he was dealing with dishonest people in the West, but he was too, to the point of blindness, carried away by the maniacal idea of ​​democratization. As a result, there is no Union, and democracy is kind of moronic. fool
  14. pahom54
    pahom54 31 October 2014 15: 44
    +5
    " agreeing to the Genscher project, the USSR hoped that the West would respond with the same restraint"...

    It seems to me that this labeled pisser was then aware that all the promises were nonsense.
    In general, this topic has already been imposed in the teeth. What has been done is done, and it’s too late to drink Borjomi, you need to do business - equip the army and raise its training to such a level that NATO is very thoughtful, threatening Russia ...
  15. Gecko
    Gecko 31 October 2014 15: 45
    +8
    The Indians also believed the Americans. And where are they now?
  16. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 31 October 2014 15: 49
    +3
    US Foreign Relations Expert Joshua Shifrinson Says


    What fresh and winning news))
    Why an article?
    About some Jew from some kind of yellow newspaper?
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  18. Vitalka
    Vitalka 31 October 2014 15: 53
    +2
    As a result, there is no Union, and democracy is kind of moronic.

    Why some kind? The most that neither is! People power? Ha.ha. The power of the "servants" of the people!
    And the Union - why do we need sprats and Uzbeks with blown cotton? All suburbs artificially lived better than the RSFSR and at its expense. In 1989, I came to Estonia to serve, on the first evening I go home at 22 p.m., I think maybe someone will catch a crust of bread from a hostel. And here the sign is round-the-clock, I go in, and there ... In Russia, in those years and in the daytime, there are only empty shelves with canned goods.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 31 October 2014 16: 14
      +1
      The entire Rostov region traveled to Donetsk in short supply. Starting from refrigerators, ending with sweets and sausages.
  19. Bronik
    Bronik 31 October 2014 15: 54
    +6
    In Georgia on 08.08.08. our peacekeepers were under the flag of the OSCE, did it help them much? Those who obey the orders of the United States put the device on Europe. NATO is a tool of the United States and any meanness is justified for them. And the lie is in their blood.
  20. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 31 October 2014 15: 59
    +2
    That is, by agreeing to the “Genscher project,” the USSR hoped that the West would respond with the same restraint. “The Soviet leadership reasonably believed that this was an equal exchange,” concludes Shifrinson.
    The word "reasonable" should be replaced by the phrase "treacherously naive", ie. as in A. Gaidar: The Malchish-Badish betrayed the whole country for a basket of cookies and several jars of jam.
  21. lexx2038
    lexx2038 31 October 2014 16: 00
    +5
    Expert: Moscow has reason to blame the West for breaking promises ....
    Yah! What a subtle observation! Probably the whole analytical department was observed. Oh, will we live when they now decide what to do?
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 31 October 2014 16: 16
      +4
      Moscow is so insidious that it foresaw deception and still withdrew troops from Europe, in order to subsequently blame the meek and harmless West. The evil empire, in a word, was and remains. She will never understand that the basic universal value is a lie.
  22. Federal
    Federal 31 October 2014 16: 10
    +2
    That is, by agreeing to the “Genscher project,” the USSR hoped that the West would respond with the same restraint. “The Soviet leadership reasonably believed that this was an equal exchange,” concludes Shifrinson.

    Appetite comes with eating, so is mattress with Europe. The dizzying euphoria from the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact eclipsed the mind from successes on a global scale, and there was no one to reckon with, remember only Bakatin, does the name of this traitor tell you anything? During the reign of Mecheno - Humpbacked, then the SVR and the KGB were lowered below the plinth. Further, as we were bent even to remember it hurts. And now what to remember, what
    “The Soviet leadership reasonably believed that this was an equivalent exchange”
    currently it looks like nonsense.
  23. tanit
    tanit 31 October 2014 16: 13
    +1
    Promises ?! And even verbal ?! Wow, this is something new in diplomacy. It is possible to accuse - of violation of the Treaties (on a glance - about the number of troops in Europe and about short-range missiles), but in violation of "promises" ?!
  24. Jarserge
    Jarserge 31 October 2014 16: 22
    +6
    In the photo, the smile of a sucker, or rather, a sucker with a capital letter that has corrupted everything, absolutely everything.
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 31 October 2014 18: 05
      0
      if you are about Gorbachev!

      He is not only LOCH
      BUT AND CRIMINAL
  25. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 31 October 2014 17: 00
    +3
    Quote: Stiletto
    In this situation, by the way, Tagged is 100% to blame. In democracy and "new thinking" wanted to play, you fool. Played ...

    He really never "shone" with intelligence! You listen to his speeches without a piece of paper - solid tongue-tied crap is not clear about what. But on the other hand, he is not occupied with hypertrophied conceit, the ability to conduct an undercover mouse fuss for power under the conditions of the Soviet nomenclature!
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 31 October 2014 18: 03
      +1
      here's an example for you
      words of M. Gorbachev
      And, frankly, they hoped that the developed West would carry us in our arms. No, no! This is an illusion, utopia, nobody will wear anyone anywhere.
  26. kelevra
    kelevra 31 October 2014 17: 03
    +1
    We have not only grounds, but also the absolute right to blame the West for all our problems! Only fools can deny the negative influence of the West on our country!
  27. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 31 October 2014 17: 06
    0
    Well, the West, first of all, the USA will say that they did not make any promises to Gorbachev, he invented it himself .... We already have no doubt about such meanness from the USA, we can always expect this from geyropa.
  28. s30461
    s30461 31 October 2014 17: 11
    +1
    The layout:
    and. Your enemy strongly advises quarreling with friends and colleagues.
    b. At the same time, he verbally convinces you that as soon as you disown them, everything will be fine, while he does not say to whom it will fly well and how.
    in. In exchange for friends, he offers to settle his friends and colleagues at your home, share your wife and drive out the children so as not to interfere with friends.
    Would you agree to such conditions ???
    Gorbachev knew very well what he was doing, what would follow and what it would all lead to.
    For him, there was only one surprise: the Americans found a more active Yeltsin, but they threw him off and left him in a state of begging.
    1. tanit
      tanit 31 October 2014 17: 23
      0
      And who did Gorbachev have friends and colleagues? In the "Gorbachev" times of the GDR, the Germans admired Honnecker and Wolf, but were they really friends with the hunchback?
  29. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 31 October 2014 17: 45
    +2
    Quote: Kosta153
    Only an Anglo-Saxon friend can be worse than the enemy of Anglo-Saxon. I don’t remember who said. 19th century.


    The British have a colonial system of thinking formed over the centuries, and they don’t really hide it. For them, all countries are colonies, past, future, it doesn’t matter. And what kind of business the planter will be honest with his estate. Therefore, the amazement of some uncles is not clear. genuinely surprised by this fact. Personally, I came to the conclusion when in the 80s I saw a concentration camp built for the Russians by the Saxons in the Arkhangelsk Mudyug. It was when they were our allies in the Entente, how much Russian people they drained into the civil war there - you can’t count! am
  30. koksalek
    koksalek 31 October 2014 17: 54
    +1
    I remember those times, even then the people said that all this is a filkin letter and NATO will inflate everyone
  31. lichide
    lichide 31 October 2014 17: 54
    -3
    Such a mess will continue in Rasea until a radical breakdown of the people's consciousness occurs. ! The right to vote in elections of any level is reserved for 1 - who have served in the army and navy, 2 - who have reached the age of 33 years, 3 - who have no criminal record in criminal procedure. Women do not use the right to vote. Further. The entire bureaucracy of the state and the deputy cohort should be represented in proportion to the size of this ethnic group. For the entire population of the country, gas, coal and electricity should be free of charge. Monuments of enemies of the people and satanic stars should be removed from cities and weights. The mausoleum on Red Square should be turned into a paid toilet with all the ensuing problems. The police should be renamed the Order Guard, and the FSB should be the Secret Guard. Something like that.
  32. UralMan
    UralMan 31 October 2014 17: 54
    0
    resembles a joke
    The West has broken promises to create a mutually acceptable political order in Europe after the end of the Cold War -
    after operation:
    “Professor, you promised that I would look like Alain Delon!” - Right. He is now also an old and sick man.

    Well, SO IT'S OUT OF DATE
  33. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 31 October 2014 18: 02
    0
    What stands out for the opinion of this expert is well known to us without his calculations. An expert was found thirty years after the events. And nobody even listens to this very opinion of him in the West. There are all sorts of experts and analysts - a dime a dozen. If someone on the 48th page of the Times said something good about Russia, it does not mean at all that their attitude towards us has changed there. And it will never change!
  34. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 31 October 2014 18: 11
    +1
    It is high time to understand, and to be more honest to yourself and to the "partners" one thing - "Russia has only two allies" (for the uninformed - the Army and the Navy), and everything else is nothing more than verbiage, at least at the moment, to be maybe true allies will appear, but not before we ourselves take it as an axiom that the West is enemy number 1 for us and we begin to proceed from this in foreign policy. And only when we outline our priorities, and clearly and unequivocally, we will have these same allies, and even in excess, because the dictate of the West has long been in the throat for everyone. Putin may have big trump cards for eliminating Western snobbery, and if you dispose of them correctly, then not only arrogance will fly off these cannibals, but with coordinated actions they will "go around the world" - you just need to correctly conduct foreign policy, primarily with the BRICS countries and the SCO, and at the moment, in order to ostracize, crush the impudent hohlyak junta, for now economically and "meteorologically".
  35. SveTok
    SveTok 31 October 2014 18: 12
    +1
    What is the use of waving fists after a fight.
  36. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 November 2014 06: 34
    0
    In Russia there is every reason to believe that the West has broken promises to create a mutually acceptable political order in Europe after the end of the Cold War, says American expert on international relations Joshua Shifrinson

    Very large and reasonable grounds. Since Gorbachev, neither the United States nor NATO has ever kept their promises. Moreover, in recent years they have completely gone out of their way from impunity. Russia is concerned about its national security. And, judging by the statements and actions of the a.merov, only they can do this. It was not for nothing that VVP remembered the saying "What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull" and added that this will not happen.
  37. serg33
    serg33 1 November 2014 09: 32
    0
    We will never agree with the Anglo-Saxons due to the difference in mentality. They also have a business under construction - whoever warms whom, laurels. Politics is similar and the worst thing is that they consider this the norm!
    I think that with the countries of the east they don’t understand each other at all, their whole policy works only from a position of strength. In the east, the strong are respected. As soon as China declared itself, they yelled from despair. And here we are ...