"Sin on engines"

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When launched from the cosmodrome on the island of Wallops in the United States, the Antares launch vehicle with the Cygnus spacecraft exploded, which was supposed to deliver cargo to the ISS. Experts are still only guessing about the causes of emergency, but most already associate it with the work of the engine, in the construction of which, in addition to the Americans, Ukrainian and Soviet experts participated.

Explosion at the start

In the United States, during the launch from the Wallops Cosmodrome off the coast of Virginia, for the tenth second after launch, the Antares launch vehicle carrying the Cygnus space truck with approximately two tons of cargo for the ISS exploded.



The explosion occurred in 18.23 local time on Tuesday (Wednesday 1.23 in Moscow), reports TASS with reference to the message of the American Aerospace Agency (NASA).

According to the latest data, no one was hurt during the incident. However, the launch site due to the fact that the rocket did not have time to fly far from the ground, was damaged, which is estimated as "significant".

A special commission was set up to investigate the incident, which included representatives of both NASA and Orbital Sciences, a private company that manufactured the Antares launch vehicle and the Cygnus spacecraft. And the first violin in the commission, apparently, will be played by a private structure.

“Orbital Sciences has formed a special commission that will work in close cooperation with the relevant government agencies in order to establish the causes of today's accident,” said vice president of the corporation Frank Culbertson at a press conference.

As soon as the reasons for the incident become known, his company plans to promptly correct all errors and resume missile launches, he added.

And on November 4, the causes of the accident are planned to be discussed at a meeting of the head of NASA and Roscosmos.

Is it about the engine?

Officially, the reasons for the emergency have not yet been made public, but many analysts have already named the problems with the launch vehicle engines among the main versions.
This version, in particular, shared with RIA "News»Space specialist, professor of George Washington University John Logsdon. “The engines were updated rocket engines, originally intended for use on the Soviet H-1 launch vehicle more than 40 years ago,” he said.

The NK-33 engine was developed for the Soviet lunar rocket H-1, was produced from the beginning of the 1970-x and is now used in the USA under the ISS program for Antares launch vehicles.

The expert added that it’s too early to talk about the further use or non-use of Antares until the specific causes of the accident have been established. In addition, it is not clear how much damage was done to the launch pad itself. According to the expert, Antares missiles can only be launched from there.

According to the Interfax source in the aerospace industry of Russia, the launch facility at the American space center could have been very seriously affected by the accident. And in this case, the next start is unlikely to take place there before the spring - summer of the next year.

It is known that this is the fourth launch of the Antares launch vehicle (the first was held in April of last year - approx. VIEW), and all three previous ones were quite successful.

Commenting on the incident, Academician of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics. Tsiolkovsky Alexander Zheleznyakov told the LOOK at the newspaper that "it is not yet completely clear what happened." He called to wait for the end of the investigation, but admitted at the same time that "the majority of experts sin on the engines."

“As for the reliability of these rockets, I can say that they are being operated relatively recently, but before that everything was fine,” the specialist confirmed. “And the incident once again proves that no matter how reliable space technology is considered and no matter what country launches, no matter what the quality of the product, no one is insured from such incidents.”

"Sin on engines"


According to Zheleznyakov, the main engines on this American-made carrier rocket are Alliant Techsystems (ATK), which has specialized in this for several decades.
However, the first stage of the Antares launch vehicle “was made not only by the Americans, but also in cooperation with the Ukrainians,” and they used the modified Samara NK-33 engines there.

“Indeed, the reserve that we had under the lunar program is now being used by the Americans in these engines,” he explained.

At the same time, the expert once again urged to wait for the end of the investigation before expressing versions about whether these engines are related to the accident.

According to Igor Marinin, editor-in-chief of the Astronautics News magazine, the current accident occurred due to the modification of the Soviet engine by the Americans, and the responsibility for this lies only with them (the USA), he told RIA Novosti.

According to him, these engines have been purchased by the United States for a long time. In the USSR, they were produced from the middle of the 70-ies for a modified H-1M rocket intended for landing a man on the Moon. But the program was closed, some of the engines were destroyed, and Americans bought several dozen.

Testing engines produced by both American and Russian experts - nothing bad was found.

The same thing, by the way, was announced on Wednesday by the Vice-President of Antares Orbital Sciences Corporation, the company producing Antares rockets and Cygnus spacecraft, Frank Calbertson. He assured that the engines went through all stages of testing and demonstrated maximum reliability.

At the same time, the Americans made the first stage of the engine for Antares and its adaptation to their equipment together with specialists from the Ukrainian Dnepropetrovsk, Marinin added.

“They were pretty serious and gave them their name. It turned out the engine is already American. The Americans saved so much, did not manufacture their engine, bought our very good quality and took advantage of specialists from Dnepropetrovsk, who were freed from orders for Zenit, ”Marinin explained.

According to the expert, at some stage of adaptation and modification of the engine under the American program could fail: "Whether this is the pipeline, or it got into the tank something strange, because the tanks are also in Ukraine do ..."

But, most likely, it is “some kind of external reason, and not the engine itself,” he is sure, therefore, “every responsibility is removed from Russia.”

On the ISS, everything is calm



Together with the Antares rocket, Cygnus exploded - a private American automatic cargo space ship supply
The crew of the International Space Station was immediately informed of the incident with the space truck. And, although the accident somewhat violated the schedule for supporting the American segment of the ISS, most experts say that this is not critical for astronauts.
It is known that the exploded spacecraft carried approximately two tons of food, water, oxygen, materials for scientific experiments and other equipment into orbit.

Roscosmos noted that the accident would not affect the supply of the Russian segment of the International Space Station.

“For us, this damage is zero, or, say, minimal. The Cygnus explosion will have no effect on the supply of the Russian segment of the ISS, since we mainly carry our cargoes on Progress tested Russian ships, which we have enough. We always have four ships a year; if necessary, we will launch the fifth ship, ”said Alexei Krasnov, a representative of the ministry in connection with this.

However, if necessary, and a request from NASA, Russia is ready to deliver the necessary cargo to the American segment of the ISS with the help of Progress.

“For the ISS, this accident carries no threat: neither for the life of the astronauts, nor for their diet, their food,” assured the newspaper VIEW and space expert Alexander Zheleznyakov. - Already today, our truck Progress М25-M starts at the station (at the time of the publication of the note, the start was successful and was a success - note LOOK), which will deliver new stocks there. The possibility of various incidents is always laid. Therefore, the ISS has enough supplies and food, and water, and air. "

But regarding the prospects for the transfer of NASA to the delivery of cargo to the ISS with the help of the Russian Progress because of the Antares accident, the Russian expert is not very optimistic:

“I think that changes will not happen. Americans have not only Cygnus, but also another private ship - the Dragon. They are designed to reduce the dependence of Americans on Russia in terms of cargo turnover. Now they have the opportunity not to order additionally our Progress, but to deliver goods on their own, ”he noted.
And even “more flights”, in his opinion, will not necessarily do. The same Dragon is able to hold more than it delivers cargo now. Thus, part of what could not be delivered on Wednesday night could be redistributed to it.

It should be noted that earlier information about emergency situations when launching the Antares rocket came to the press. So, in May of this year, it was announced that its launch, scheduled for June 10, was canceled due to the failure of the first-stage engine AJ26 - the very modernized version of the Soviet NK-33 engine.

We add that one of the most notorious incidents in space lately was the failure of the launch of the European satellites Galileo in August. At the same time, the European Space Agency laid the blame for this on the Russian upper stage "Frigate", finding a constructive defect in it. Russian specialists were less categorical in their assessments, noting that the impact on the accident on the design of the fuel line for the Frigate, which the Europeans sinned for, still needs to be proved.
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  1. +10
    31 October 2014 14: 21
    As in a joke ... Who threw a boot on the remote?
    Sami blew up this rocket at the start ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. +8
      31 October 2014 14: 44
      No one on earth is currently safe from accidents when launching spacecraft, then rockets fell, now the Americans have blown, who is next?
      1. +4
        31 October 2014 15: 06
        Quote: Giant thought
        No one on earth is currently safe from accidents when launching spacecraft, then rockets fell, now the Americans have blown, who is next?

        Americans! The percentage of unsuccessful launches for the period 2004-2010 in Russia is lower than that of the United States, which launched 1,6 times less spacecraft than Russia. The following are exactly mattresses. Go to sunset. recourse
        1. +3
          31 October 2014 15: 23
          Quote: sgazeev
          Americans! The percentage of unsuccessful launches for the period 2004-2010 in Russia is lower than that of the United States, which launched 1,6 times less spacecraft than Russia. The following are exactly mattresses. Go to sunset.

          The more opportunities there will be for scientists to apply their talent and desire for scientific achievements in different countries of the world, the closer the decline of American power, which is based on luring scientists and specialists, industrial espionage and patent fraud for inventions, providing financing for science and production through work printing press ...
        2. 0
          31 October 2014 15: 26
          And there is no launch pad! They will launch from a slingshot! feel
          1. +1
            31 October 2014 18: 01
            Quote: Hellraiser
            And there is no launch pad! They will launch from a slingshot! feel

            Interestingly, even for the start, they will give twice a hero?
          2. The comment was deleted.
        3. 0
          1 November 2014 02: 03
          who is next?
          Americans! The percentage of unsuccessful launches for the period 2004-2010 in Russia is lower than that of the United States, which launched 1,6 times less spacecraft than Russia. The following are exactly mattresses. Go to sunset.


          Vanguete?
          2014 October 31 22:38,
          http://lenta.ru/news/2014/10/31/spaceshiptwo/
          Private SpaceShipTwo crashes in the US
        4. 0
          1 November 2014 02: 15
          who is next?
          Americans! The percentage of unsuccessful launches for the period 2004-2010 in Russia is lower than that of the United States, which launched 1,6 times less spacecraft than Russia. The following are exactly mattresses. Go to sunset.


          Vanguete?
          2014 October 31 22:38,
          http://lenta.ru/news/2014/10/31/spaceshiptwo/
          Private SpaceShipTwo crashes in the US
    3. +4
      31 October 2014 14: 49
      For that it was beautiful!
      1. +3
        31 October 2014 15: 01
        Aha fireworks ordered? drinks DO NOT care to get !! fellow
        1. +13
          31 October 2014 17: 36
          Quote: Hellraiser
          DO NOT care to get !!
          1. 0
            31 October 2014 19: 31
            Evil people say: .....
            NOT angry, but KNOWLEDGE, moreover, POLITE !!!!! bully hi
      2. 0
        31 October 2014 15: 08
        Quote: AvaloN
        For that it was beautiful!

        It would be prettier if the White House took off. angry
        1. 0
          31 October 2014 16: 31
          Quote: sgazeev
          It would be prettier if the White House took off.

          It’s still not enough for the White House to hang in orbit! No.
          Its place is in the Pacific Ocean! Let Mir compete in the reliability of systems!
    4. +3
      31 October 2014 14: 49
      How Ukrainians shouted at themselves Great space power! Yes
      Oh well !! negative
      1. +8
        31 October 2014 14: 54
        Of course, space, they, after preparations, communicate directly with space! And who doesn’t already respond to drugs - with the help of a miracle cap! wassat
      2. +2
        31 October 2014 16: 03
        Quote: Hellraiser
        How Ukrainians shouted at themselves Great space power! Yes
        Oh well !! negative

        Thanks to the great Ukrainian writer Leonid Kuchma for the collapse of the "great" space power. A cynic of the highest standard, the essence of dill-freeloaders. On October 10, 2001, D. Kuchma answered the journalists' questions about the reasons for the plane crash on October 4, 2001 of the Tu-154 of the Russian airline "Siberia", flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk and shot down by a Ukrainian missile over the Black Sea, in which 78 people died :

        See what's going on around the world in Europe? We are not the first and not the last, do not make a tragedy out of this. Mistakes happen everywhere, and not only on such a scale, but on a much larger, planetary scale. If we do not lower ourselves below the civilized level, everything will be fine. And if we pour a bucket of mud on ourselves, so please.
        The Ukrainian president’s statement “there are tragedies of a larger scale” shocked the world community. The frivolous statement of L. D. Kuchma provoked an angry reaction from official Israel. A spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon commented on the statement by the Ukrainian president:

        When the murdered person is not a representative of your people, then it is probably possible to make such academic conclusions. 78 people were killed, most of whom were Israelis - for us this is the greatest tragedy.
    5. +1
      31 October 2014 15: 00
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      As in a joke ... Who threw a boot on the remote?
      Sami blew up this rocket at the start ...

      They didn’t share it with Beny, so he did a byak. laughing
    6. 0
      31 October 2014 17: 17
      there is another joke the fbi is investigating why the right accelerator exploded and the fsb why the left one did not explode
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      As in a joke ... Who threw a boot on the remote?
      Sami blew up this rocket at the start ...
    7. +1
      31 October 2014 17: 25
      Not figs was to meddle with their modernization, especially with the help of such "specialists", and even present this business as their own, that's the result. Economists dol-e.
      1. 0
        31 October 2014 21: 24
        The specialists there were ours with KB named after Kuznetsov (Mr. Samara). Modernization was done under the American control system and fuel, that is, without which the engines did not work.
    8. 0
      31 October 2014 18: 15
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Sami blew up this rocket at the start ...

      If we consider the damage from this accident, the prestige of the company and the United States itself, then the version with the operator undermined looks much softer than the version with a flawed Russian engine by American engineers. This version does not put a squint on the Americans!
      1. 0
        31 October 2014 21: 33
        The revision was carried out jointly with our engineers, so it will still be possible to completely blame both on the "club-handedness" of Russian engineers and on the marriage of old engines.
        In general, the commission should work.
    9. 0
      31 October 2014 18: 21
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Sami blew up this rocket at the start ...

      Already not an assumption, but a fact. Recognized!
      http://topwar.ru/61579-signal-na-unichtozhenie-rakety-antares-poslali-sami-opera
      tory.html # comment-id-3560515
      drinks
  2. +7
    31 October 2014 14: 22
    However, the first stage of the Antares launch vehicle “was made not only by the Americans, but also in cooperation with the Ukrainians,” and they used the modified Samara NK-33 engines there.

    Normally finalized so ... bully
    1. +5
      31 October 2014 14: 34
      Details of precious metals already go on Privoz all sold out. laughing
      1. +3
        31 October 2014 14: 44
        Curved handles broke the cool engine NK-33
    2. +4
      31 October 2014 14: 56
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Normally modified so

      And do not intervene, they could blame the manufacturer. And here you are, thank you, we have nothing to do with it!
    3. 0
      31 October 2014 19: 37
      Quote: MIKHAN
      However, the first stage of the Antares launch vehicle “was made not only by the Americans, but also in cooperation with the Ukrainians,” and they used the modified Samara NK-33 engines there.
      Normally finalized so ...


      They see our seminar was held on the topic "Alternative ways of installing angular rate sensors"
      The workshop undoubtedly benefited !!! laughing
  3. +10
    31 October 2014 14: 23
    I remember how dill rejoiced in the accident of our rocket ...
    1. +2
      31 October 2014 14: 43
      For example, I am glad of the fall of the Tang rocket, I also want to "
      1. +6
        31 October 2014 16: 12
        Let the Americans know who they contacted!
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. 0
      31 October 2014 16: 11
      Quote: Vyacheslav 64
      I remember how dill rejoiced in the accident of our rocket ...

      That got yourself. am
  4. +7
    31 October 2014 14: 24
    what Soviet specialists took part in creating engines for this rocket? when was this?
  5. +15
    31 October 2014 14: 24
    In two words: Pendoukropovsky jamb. It is possible one abbreviation - PUK.
  6. +9
    31 October 2014 14: 25
    Who modified these engines? From that and demand. We sold them a working device. Let the teperich Kolomoisky shake.
  7. +4
    31 October 2014 14: 28
    Now anything can be said on their own, they blew it up or it exploded itself, the public is unlikely to know the truth.
    1. +2
      31 October 2014 15: 37
      This is Putin's fault !!!
      1. 0
        31 October 2014 19: 40
        sly fox RU Today, 15:37 ↑
        This is Putin's fault !!!
        +
        PSAKIIII ???? !!!! belay Nick changed ??? !!! laughing
      2. +1
        31 October 2014 19: 40
        Yeah, he killed the dead sea.
  8. +8
    31 October 2014 14: 29
    However, the first stage of the Antares launch vehicle “was made not only by the Americans, but also in cooperation with the Ukrainians,” and they used the modified Samara NK-33 engines there.

    In this case, the Americans and the U.Kropam will not succeed, as is customary, to turn the arrows to Russia. Together with the U. Krops they themselves were wise. It was Poroshenko who recently claimed that U. Kropia is a great cosmic power.
  9. +8
    31 October 2014 14: 29
    When assembling the engine, Ukrainians did not wash their hands after fat. With these hands and collected. And the mice, smelling, gnawed all the wires there.
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 11: 05
      They did not collect the engines, they sawed them, pushing them into the body of their own manufacture. Unbeknownst to the engine manufacturer.
  10. +6
    31 October 2014 14: 29
    a private shop with the participation of Ukrainian specialists let down amerovskoy state organization. It is impossible to blame Russia for the accident. Therefore, no noise and dust - "not critical, we'll figure it out"
    1. 0
      31 October 2014 21: 35
      Both Russian engines and Russian specialists were used there, so there’s more than enough ground for mutual accusations.
      1. 0
        1 November 2014 11: 04
        It turns out that dill from the Yuzhmash from the Samara people asked that this could be sawed off, because it could not fit into the case? From what is it, uncle ...
        1. 0
          1 November 2014 11: 22
          Ukrainians were not involved in working with engines.
  11. +10
    31 October 2014 14: 30
    Americans find out why the rocket exploded at 6 seconds of flight, and Russians - why ALREADY FOR 6 SECONDS OF FLIGHT! laughing
    1. +1
      1 November 2014 11: 02
      And Rambo was sitting at the control panel. He sniffed in 3 seconds that something had gone wrong, in two seconds he ran to the button and your rocket cried. That's who the reaction is!
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  12. +4
    31 October 2014 14: 37
    Officially, the causes of the emergency have not yet been made public, but many analysts have already named the problems with the launch vehicle engines as the main versions.


    Technique (even very good) in the hands of ... Ikar - a pile of scrap metal ...
  13. +3
    31 October 2014 14: 37
    However, the first stage of the Antares launch vehicle “was made not only by the Americans, but also in cooperation with the Ukrainians,” and they used the modified Samara NK-33 engines there.

    It turns out as in the Ukrainian proverb, Who is it? a whistle, so she grazes the inhabitant, and carries it from there. So with these shrewd inventors, they climbed into the engines themselves, screwed up, and now they are looking for the extreme ones.
    “They were pretty serious and assigned them their name.
    Everything should be like in a pharmacy, especially since they checked everything themselves.
    Testing engines produced by both American and Russian experts - nothing bad was found.
  14. +6
    31 October 2014 14: 51
    The article somehow strangely hints between the lines that the Russians are probably to blame (as usual), while the American missile, with modernized Ukrainians sold by engines, and here the Russian Federation is not at all clear ...
  15. +8
    31 October 2014 14: 56
    I wonder why everyone is so sure that Dragon will get to the ISS? wink
    Ragozin said a trampoline, then a trampoline! And there’s nothing to do with amateur performances! good
  16. +2
    31 October 2014 15: 07
    Trampoline!!!! Ya-oo-oo-oo - !!!
  17. +1
    31 October 2014 15: 10
    our rocket fell, now American, for there is nothing to yap. I think to whom the hint should be understood, our hands are still clean and our hearts are hot
  18. 0
    31 October 2014 15: 13
    This is a warning to America from Ukraine for refusing to allocate money to Ukraine.
  19. 0
    31 October 2014 15: 13
    And the American control system has nothing to do with it? Caesar's wife is beyond suspicion?
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 11: 00
      And the manufacturers of the first stage (Yuzhmash) is the ass of the husband of Caesar’s wife?))) In general, not at all in business?
    2. The comment was deleted.
  20. TECHNOLOGY
    +2
    31 October 2014 15: 27
    As far as I know, we don’t deliver the NK-33 to the states. Only RD-180 is delivered. For all the time there has not been a single breakdown in the work and will not happen. Or am I mistaken?
    1. 0
      31 October 2014 21: 36
      You are mistaken. 37 engines sold.
  21. +3
    31 October 2014 15: 51
    Quote: IAlex
    The article somehow strangely hints between the lines that the Russians are probably to blame (as usual), while the American missile, with modernized Ukrainians sold by engines, and here the Russian Federation is not at all clear ...


    Russians are to blame for everything bad: from the tsunami to the rocket breakdown. This is not even surprising. Another thing is surprising: in theory, Psaki was to make a harsh statement yesterday about Moscow’s interference in NASA’s space program and punish us with new sanctions. And to say that a rocket accident is another proof of Putin’s aggressive policies against the United States and Ukropostan, for which he should be punished.
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 10: 59
      I think that there is no difference between Gogi from the bazaar and the American comrades who launched the rocket - both are "businessmen", private traders. Do you think that "private space" can exist? They spoil everything they touch.
  22. 0
    31 October 2014 15: 55
    Quote: Giant thought
    Nobody on earth at this time is safe from accidents when launching spacecraft, then rockets fell, now the Americans have blown, who is next?

    For that, you can insure the launch pad and the rocket - not a bad profit will come out.
    1. +1
      31 October 2014 17: 01
      Quote: Akela-73
      For that, you can insure the launch pad and the rocket - not a bad profit will come out.

      Are you so sure that no one insured anything? I doubt very much.
      It is only with us that, after a carrier accident, it becomes clear that the foreign cargo / object being withdrawn is insured, but ours is not.
  23. lankrus
    +2
    31 October 2014 16: 06
    The people who gathered to see the launch were pleased. The show succeeded. If such launches continue, then the company fully compensates for the loss of the rocket by selling tickets. There will be a full house for the next starts.
  24. VOLKHOV
    +1
    31 October 2014 16: 36
    The Americans claim that they blew themselves up, but the video shows that the engine just broke and the rocket fell back, and the explosion was in the payload area and quite strong even against a fire. Since the peace cargo on the same day drove Progress - was there a military load? A self-liquidator of such power (with an aerial bomb) is strange for a cargo ship.
    What is interesting - in the pictures of the scene of the accident the next day is empty - no one collects debris, sand does not sift - are they waiting for decontamination?
    1. +1
      31 October 2014 21: 38
      They themselves undermined as soon as the parameters went beyond the standard ones. Believe the operator more clearly - he is not looking at the picture, but at the instruments.
      And here the military load is not at all clear - the transporter was leading and the rocket exploded. Although you can dream up anything.
      1. VOLKHOV
        0
        1 November 2014 03: 57
        The article has a video - why argue about what is visible - a fall without an explosion, an explosion point in the area of ​​the payload. Explosion and burning are two different things.
        1. 0
          1 November 2014 08: 23
          So if it is officially stated that his blew up as a result of the deviation of the rocket from the parameters. What does the load have to do with it? Or do you think that the cargo is undermined? )))
      2. 0
        1 November 2014 10: 57
        Blown up on the launch pad? You apparently do not know how much it costs and what will be done with the operator if he destroys the missile there. About devices - there was a case with a "proton". Burning debris fell from the sky, and the operators cheerfully reported normal telemetry until they got hit in the head. Telemetry has delays, like everything else that is transmitted over the radio and then processed. At what second did it explode? Are you going to think with your head?
        1. 0
          1 November 2014 15: 29
          Undermined at the start. Telemetry can be different (and the delay, respectively, too), some sensors on the ground can work out normally.
          Moreover, it’s good, even if they lied, in fact, the rocket exploded itself - is that the difference?
        2. 0
          1 November 2014 18: 50
          PS Have you seen what happened there with the launch pad? And telemetry, I repeat, is different - it is different and positive parameters can be removed from the debris on the ground, however, the main data is coming in real time. I specified it. )
  25. +1
    31 October 2014 16: 36
    Alle! Che I do not hear screams about the eternal American gouging! Fell on Ukrainian intervention in Soviet engines! Ah ah ah....
    But how the rocket explodes in our country, it’s only the Russian times that are blamed.
    Am I what? It turns out that missiles not only do not fly in Russia ... Here it is ...
  26. +4
    31 October 2014 16: 37
    Roscosmos noted that the accident would not affect the supply of the Russian segment of the International Space Station.


    I imagine the situation, our astronauts are holding the defense in their block from hungry p. Endos.
    1. VOLKHOV
      0
      31 October 2014 16: 58
      Judging by the explosion at the start, a package of defensive missiles burned out - they will now take turns in space suits with a gun outside the ISS to guard against UFOs ... soldier
  27. 0
    31 October 2014 16: 42
    do not like our engines-supply rubber wassat twist them all with your own, and you will have a purely American missile carrier oh carrier wassat and do not let the dragon of the Ukrainians go to the spaceship, otherwise you will fly only on the stupas from the women hedgehogs. wassat
  28. gdv
    gdv
    +3
    31 October 2014 16: 42
    usually try to take away from the launch pad and then destroy to minimize the consequences because it’s easier to put a new rocket on the table than to disable the launch pad and only uncontrolled situations lead to an explosion on the table, especially when shooting towards the ocean and not settlements
  29. alexandrovich
    0
    31 October 2014 17: 18
    The Americans hoped that dill would be clearly made, but it wasn’t laughing
  30. +1
    31 October 2014 17: 48
    Experts are just wondering about the causes of the emergency, but most already connect it with the operation of the engine, in the construction of which, in addition to the Americans, Ukrainian and Soviet ones participated! experts ... I do not understand - are the Americans so stupid, or is the author stuck in the USSR?
    1. +1
      31 October 2014 18: 15
      Quote: andrei1
      Experts are just wondering about the causes of the emergency

      Yes, everything seems to have cleared up, according to the NASA representative _ Emergency start and, accordingly, the self-destruction team, in order to avoid destruction and casualties among local residents.
      True, it is unclear what structures and which inhabitants in the ocean, but this statement is a fact.
      all the details are here _
      http://topwar.ru/61579-signal-na-unichtozhenie-rakety-antares-poslali-sami-opera
      tory.html # comment-id-3560515
    2. 0
      31 October 2014 21: 39
      The engine of the 70s, sold in the United States under contracts of the 90s, was modified to American standards by our Samaritans, the fuel system was made by Yuzhmash.
  31. +1
    31 October 2014 18: 10
    If the Malaysian Boeing was shot down by Russian missiles launched by militias, then the explosion of Antares is the machinations of Russia and its agents from Donetsk.
  32. +1
    31 October 2014 18: 21
    Actually, I would like to draw your attention to the phrase "Ukrainian and SOVIET"! request It seems that the USSR can only be seen in dreams today ...
    1. +3
      31 October 2014 18: 43
      Quote: andrei1
      pay attention to the phrase "Ukrainian and SOVIET"

      So the engines, most likely, are literally Soviet!
      Yusovtsy well in the 90s bought up our iron and scientific achievements for nothing.

      By the way, there was information that even with samples and full technological documentation (they bought both this and that), the Yusovites could not make an efficient engine!
      1. 0
        1 November 2014 00: 01
        Quote: Cynic
        By the way, there was information that even with samples and full technological documentation (they bought both this and that), the Yusovites could not make an efficient engine!

        Well, you need to read more carefully. At the end it is clearly written: - "after assembly, finalize with a file ..."
        1. 0
          1 November 2014 10: 53
          They finalized. The engines have been modified.
        2. 0
          1 November 2014 10: 58
          Quote: 26rus
          Well, you need to read more carefully. At the end it is clearly written: - "after assembly, finalize with a file ..."

          And there is no such thing, by definition!
          Yusovtsi are highly educated, they thought that they bought a certain number of folders with drawings and that’s all? And the fact that for each drawing it was still necessary at the factory to request a small number of service notes ...
          It is said _
          drinks
  33. Drunya
    +1
    31 October 2014 20: 16
    Quote: Cynic
    So the engines, most likely, are literally Soviet!

    and there is .
    The Antares launcher is powered by AJ26 engines - modernized Russian NK-33 engines. The first stage of the Antares launcher is equipped with two AJ-26 liquid-fuel engines - the Soviet NK-33, modified by the American engine-building company Aerojet Rocketdyne together with specialists from the Samara-based Kuznetsov OJSC. The NK-33 engine was developed back in the 1960s for the "lunar" program of the USSR, but in 1974 the program was curtailed, serial production of the NK-33 was discontinued.

    In the early 90s, Aerojet contracted about 40 of these engines for use on American launch vehicles. Aerojet Rocketdyne has a contract with Orbital Sciences for the supply of 20 modified and upgraded NK-33 / AJ-26 engines for Antares missiles. Aerojet has already delivered 10 of these engines, two of which were installed on a rocket that exploded today. These engines were manufactured in the 1970s and lay in Soviet / Russian warehouses for more than 20 years before being in demand in the United States.
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 10: 52
      You have forgotten about the manufacturer of the first stage - Ukropovskiy "Yuzhmash", which, with crooked little hands with a chisel, shoved a reliable engine into a case not intended for it, simultaneously sawing off everything that could not fit into this case. I am not kidding.
  34. Drunya
    0
    31 October 2014 20: 17
    but in general that Rogozin "hinted" to them already on the trampoline.
  35. 0
    31 October 2014 20: 19
    No one is surprised by this fact that the most transmitting country in the USA uses outdated technologies of not the most advanced country in the USSR. Maybe it's time to tell the truth, the United States is a decade behind in technological development.
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 10: 49
      It is surprising that in general, someone else takes the United States for the country. And this is an ordinary gangster gang.
  36. 0
    31 October 2014 20: 34
    Quote: gdv
    usually try to take away from the launch pad and then destroy to minimize the consequences because it’s easier to put a new rocket on the table than to disable the launch pad and only uncontrolled situations lead to an explosion on the table, especially when shooting towards the ocean and not settlements

    +100500
    Why doesn’t they explain that they also blew up the site on purpose?
    Money has nowhere to go, I guess.
  37. +3
    31 October 2014 20: 50
    Quote: SAM 5
    In two words: Pendoukropovsky jamb. It is possible one abbreviation - PUK.

    Oh how? Are you a great specialist? But nothing, that NK-33 is Kuibyshev production? Are you really versed in the technique of this level, or at the level of trend? By the way, I saw this iron in my work, so I have a conception.
    1. -1
      1 November 2014 10: 47
      Don't talk nonsense. The engines were modified by Yuzhmash. When the brakes are released from the car, what claims can there be against the manufacturer? Also me, a specialist.
  38. 0
    31 October 2014 20: 58
    Quote: gdv
    usually try to take away from the launch pad and then destroy to minimize the consequences because it’s easier to put a new rocket on the table than to disable the launch pad and only uncontrolled situations lead to an explosion on the table, especially when shooting towards the ocean and not settlements

    To be honest, I didn’t understand what you meant. There are usually two tables on the launch pad. And where they shoot depends on where the sites are located. And the delivery of the product to the site, by the way, on the one hand. And if it explodes at the table closest to the sub-drive, then the work on the second one will be covered.
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 00: 15
      Quote: EvilCat
      where they shoot depends on where the sites are located.

      Explain ... After all, it seems like in astronautics the launch was always carried out in one direction, from west to east, using the speed of rotation of the Earth. Or is it not so?
      1. 0
        1 November 2014 00: 20
        Not always, but these are only exceptions.
  39. 0
    31 October 2014 21: 44
    It’s a sin to rejoice at someone else’s misfortune - but for Russia there are positive aspects here - maybe the United States will have to cooperate with Roskosmos again - where are the sanctions? and the money will go
    1. 0
      31 October 2014 22: 25
      For the Russian Federation, there are no positive aspects here - the office screwed up that relied on cooperation with us. Who bought engines from us and collaborated with our specialists. Even if we completely remove the accusations from the accident, the American office risks losing the market and those who do not "contact dubious foreigners" will easily come in its place.
      1. 0
        1 November 2014 10: 45
        What are you talking about? The Americans bought Samara engines, dill from Yuzhmash sawed them without Samara's knowledge. What does Russia have to do with it?
        1. 0
          1 November 2014 11: 06
          Americans bought engines and remade (integration of electronics and adaptation for fuel) using Samara

          "Technical support for the adaptation of the NK-33 engine to the" Antares "launch vehicle in the framework of cooperation with the" Aerojet "corporation is provided by the specialists of OJSC" Kuznetsov "." (website of the Kuznetsov Design Bureau).

          In the domestic media "Antares" was called a joint Russian-American. But after the accident, they immediately turned into the Ukrainian-American development "Antares".

          Yuzhmash was involved in creating from scratch the fuel supply system (tanks, valves, etc.) of the first stage.
          That is, whose fault there is actually (a marriage of an engine or other systems, a constructive mistake of Americans, ours or Ukrainians) should be established by a commission.
          1. 0
            1 November 2014 11: 36
            Quote: clidon
            must establish a commission.

            And THAT!
            That's just, personally, I have big doubts about the objectivity of this commission.
            By the way _
            SpaceShipTwo crashed during a test flight to the US, Virgin Galactic said
            1. 0
              1 November 2014 15: 32
              You can even doubt yourself, but only on the basis of the conclusions of this commission, the further operation of Antares will be accepted. I don't think the firm will be interested in a fictitious conclusion and the rocket will explode again.
              1. 0
                1 November 2014 16: 21
                Quote: clidon
                I do not think that the company will be interested in a fictitious conclusion and the rocket will explode again.

                Of course, they’ve just voiced, but what are they silent about?
                By the way, your faith in the objectivity and impartiality of Western European and US investigations is not only surprising, amazing!
                1. 0
                  1 November 2014 19: 02
                  You apparently do not very well imagine how such commissions work. They will necessarily have a representative of the manufacturer, and the results will be provided for correction.
                  Or do you think they will say "The Russians are to blame!" and keep buying? )
                  1. 0
                    2 November 2014 10: 19
                    Quote: clidon
                    and continue to buy?

                    US Republican Senator John McCain urges US authorities to get rid of dependence on Russian engines

                    Everything is clear to him.
                    Well
                    Commenting on the crash of the SpaceShipTwo spaceship and Antares rocket, McCain added that the outcome of the launches would have been different if the US had designed the necessary parts themselves.
                    1. 0
                      2 November 2014 10: 41
                      What does McCain have to do with it? For him, everything was clear even 30-40 years ago. This is a standard Republican hawk, close, by the way, in spirit and presentation to most of the inhabitants of this resource. A soul mate "on the other side". )
                      But the USA is a country where businessmen and capital determine a lot and while it is profitable to buy our NK-33 (and a contract was prepared to purchase 50 NK-33) lobbying for our common interests with American firms will be great. This was well shown by the story of a recent attempt to ban the purchase of our engines, which did not last a month.
                      1. 0
                        2 November 2014 11: 17
                        Quote: clidon
                        This is a standard Republican hawk,

                        Yes, as it were, Republicans are now on horseback and are expanding their presence in the structures of power.
                        Quote: clidon
                        close, by the way, in spirit and presentation of the majority of the inhabitants of this resource. Soul mate "on the other side"

                        It's nice when you're not mistaken _
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Your faith in the objectivity and impartiality of Western European and US investigations is not only surprising, amazing!

                        At this stop, time is an impassive judge.
                        hi
                      2. 0
                        2 November 2014 17: 04
                        Yes, as it were, Republicans are now on horseback and are expanding their presence in the structures of power.

                        They were in power when the contracts were concluded. Business is business.
                      3. 0
                        2 November 2014 17: 36
                        Quote: clidon
                        They were in power when the contracts were concluded.

                        Yes, as if a Huseynovich democrat.
                      4. 0
                        2 November 2014 22: 38
                        I'm not talking about Barack, but about his predecessors. At which the NK-33 business was raised and strengthened.
      2. 0
        1 November 2014 11: 32
        Quote: clidon
        There are no positive aspects for the Russian Federation here - the office that relied on cooperation with us screwed up. Which bought engines from us and collaborated with our specialists.

        Judging by the comments, you have enough information about this issue.
        So name the forum users the amount for which these benefactors bought these engines and their market value.
        hi
        1. +1
          1 November 2014 15: 41
          I did not see the documents for these contracts (and there were more than one of them), but from the general information - for the engine of the first batch a million bucks apiece.
          1. 0
            1 November 2014 16: 53
            Quote: clidon
            but from general information - for the engine of the first batch of a million bucks apiece.

            Yes, it’s kind of like 1 million dollars, only you omitted the very often found, in that very general information, phrase _ ridiculous price.
            Yes, the Almighty with them, in the 90s, and it didn’t happen, but it’s typical, it seems like a respected firm the benefactor offers to adhere to this price when signing new contracts!
            And yet, you do not know how much these engines actually cost?
            hi
            1. 0
              1 November 2014 18: 57
              You understand the difference between professionals and amateurs. The amateur suspects, it seems to him, etc. A professional knows.
              You have no idea why the engines of the first lots were sold for such a small amount?
              Do you "seem" to think that the new NK-33 will be sold so cheaply? That is, the Samara plant will operate at a loss?
              I do not know the exact amount for the new NK-33, since not a single contract has been signed on them yet.
              1. 0
                2 November 2014 10: 38
                Quote: clidon
                The amateur suspects, it seems to him, etc. A professional knows.

                Or thinks he knows.
                Quote: clidon
                You have no idea why the engines of the first lots were sold for such a small amount?

                Yes, as it were, I said _
                Quote: Cynic
                in the 90s and not so happened

                Quote: clidon
                Do you "seem" to think that the new NK-33 will be sold so cheaply?

                In the media, i.e. in publicly available sources of information, such information has passed. I didn’t save the links and therefore I definitely can’t say this. Although information in the media is information in the media. There are even the above statements of McCain are only statements.
                Quote: clidon
                I don’t know the exact amount for the new NK-33

                Yes, and they would have known, I think, had not said a trade secret, which is absolutely understandable.
                Only, in the same publicly available sources, it was said _ they cheapened then three times ... five at least.
                Quote: clidon
                That is, the Samara plant will operate at a loss?
                ... not a single contract has been signed on them yet.

                Well, one, the first, was and what is natural there, on every corner (in the media), is not said.
                It’s not for me an amateur, it’s up to you to explain to a professional what conditions can be set when concluding contracts.
                90's how there _
                If you do not see a sucker in the scheme, then you are a sucker.

                hi
                1. 0
                  2 November 2014 22: 37
                  in the 90s and not so happened

                  You can put a lot of meaning into this phrase. And just the opposite. And everything is relatively simple - they needed money and the only Americans who could offer cash for these engines. Both sides made serious concessions and risks, there was a time when Orbital was ready to give up the NK-33 in favor of the RD-180 (or 170) and believe me, they (NK-33) could easily have been given “for free ". This would not be something supernatural for that moment and the goals that the Samaritans set themselves.

                  Although information in the media is information in the media. There are even the above statements of McCain are only statements.

                  I’ll say banality - the media are different. There are specialized ones, there are for the general reader, there are expressed propaganda and, finally, just a “yellow” press. I think that already on the basis of the source, we can estimate the price of that information.

                  Only, in the same publicly available sources, it was said _ they cheapened then three times ... five at least.

                  I don’t want to spread the thought on the tree ...
                  There are always people who say “cheapened”. But they themselves can not sell their LADA for "the buyer does not go." Space is not a car market where two suckers are a buyer and a seller, but a much more complex field of financial activity. Where is the reputation, risks, political situation are not empty words, but capital.
  40. 0
    31 October 2014 21: 57
    Quote: Vyacheslav 64
    I remember how dill rejoiced in the accident of our rocket ...

    The great kakly hato are now preparing their great rocket 'will take off on a living engine called the big pukkakl fellow
  41. 0
    31 October 2014 22: 53
    When launched from a cosmodrome on Wallops Island in the United States, an Antares booster rocket exploded with the Cygnus spacecraft

    For the World Cosmonautics, the event, though sad, is still an ordinary one. Development of new products has never been without accidents and disasters. I think there is something for the "hot" heads in the leadership of the Russian Cosmonautics to think about. Why break what has been gained by decades and lives?
    1. 0
      1 November 2014 10: 43
      Didn't you confuse anything? The Americans bought Samara engines, dill from Yuzhmash were sawing them without Samara's knowledge, what can the leadership of the Russian cosmonautics think about? The Americans let a private owner into the space industry and everything ended EXACTLY the way it should have ended. Otherwise, such initiatives never ended. Talking about "destroying a rocket by an operator" looks especially fun. On the launch pad? Do you even know how much it costs? And at what second did the "operator" react to the problem? You know, terminators and rambs are only in American cinema.
  42. 0
    31 October 2014 23: 53
    Our condolences to American schoolchildren on the death of houseflies and colibacilli in the Antares ship, which were not provided with spacesuits in flight.
  43. -1
    1 November 2014 00: 50
    Keywords: Specialists participated! ... Therefore, the question ... S
    If a rocket has a self-blowing button, can there be several? ...
    The one who pressed the first, pursued the goal of dupling two birds with one stone and a rocket and a spaceport? ...
    .. States technically merged into a new time in the international space program? ...
    Hong Kong fireworks from China's cyber military ...?
    Ukraine has happened and somehow garbled ...?
    UFO salt to Obama ...?
    How to save 2 tons of payload and ruin an insurance company ...?
    I want a contract for the construction of a cosmodrome! ... BUT NECESSARY ...
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    2. 0
      1 November 2014 10: 38
      Missiles are not destroyed on launch tables. He is like a hundred of these missiles. Should I talk further?
  44. 0
    1 November 2014 10: 37
    It is not clear what the speech is about? When you buy a "gazelle" and take off the brakes from it, because you don't need them, it is not clear what claims against the manufacturer can be? Who with crooked little hands, without the knowledge and permission of the manufacturer, climbed into the NK-33? Russia? So go to the forest with all the meaningless discussions ...
  45. 0
    1 November 2014 11: 02
    Here, an unexpected or expected event happened _
    SpaceShipTwo crashed during a test flight to the United States, Virgin Galactic, a development company, said.

    Here in more detail _
    http://flashnord.com/news/suborbitalnyy-korabl-spaceship-two-poterpel-krushenie-
    vo-vremya-ispytatelnogo-flying

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