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Ukrainian ideological test site: why the red win in the war

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To the accompaniment of a roar tank engines and the roar of artillery cannonade on the ruins of the former Ukraine, leaving behind millions of tons of crushed concrete and thousands of corpses, ideas are fighting. Even Otto von Bismarck wrote: "Always beware of building castles in the air, these buildings are the easiest to erect, but the hardest to destroy." And the trouble with what Ukraine has become is that all the erected air political castles are right-wing.

Ukraine is the ideology of social regress

Ukrainians became the quintessence of Euromaidan air castle, an ideology of social regression that is extremely attractive to the masses. It was not by chance that representatives of the western, central and northern regions of the regions of Ukraine were most actively on Independence Square. The trouble of these regions is that they are de-industrialized, there are practically no large industrial enterprises left in them, especially machine-building industries. The result of de-industrialization was the return of society to the agrarian way of thinking. Residents of these lands did not see any benefit from the state, as they did not observe signs of its constructive activity: seeing a tractor moving down from a conveyor belt or a rocket leaving a workshop in Western Ukraine is as difficult as finding a penguin in Siberia. And if there are no signs of positive activity of the state, even if it is steeped in corruption, then there is no need to protect it. Moreover, the corrupt officials became the symbol of Ukraine, which, as adherents of Maidan believed, can be thrown off without any side effects for the country and can be replaced by honest people. Simply put, a resident of Western Ukraine at a certain moment ceased to distinguish between the state and the corrupt official, identifying them, which resulted in the dismantling of the monster, which was called Ukraine.

The situation was somewhat different in the south-east of the country, where machine-building manufactures and large industrial enterprises remained, albeit in a fairly battered form. Work on them disciplines a person, makes him an element of a complex social structure, the existence of which is impossible without a state, even if it is crooked, and even with the enticed official in charge. It is impossible, if only because it is the state that provides stability and allows, at the very least, to establish industrial cooperation. Man is brought up not only through culture, but also through labor. Labor has just brought up the man of the born Novorossia, allowing him to see not only the modernized landscapes of the 17th century, which are seen by the inhabitants of Western Ukraine, but also the world being changed by means of labor.

As a result, embroidery has become a symbol of Ukrainians, and the phrase “Neither myself nor people” has become the motto. 10-kilometer-long queues of trucks at the entrance to the Crimea perfectly illustrate this motto.

It is noteworthy that lovers of embroidery deny not only the economy, the law and the ideas of humanism, but also the laws of physics. Ukraine is incompatible with progress and doomed to death. The maximum that a carrier of this idea can build is a farm with the banners of Ukrainian Nazism, guarded by a new SS division, Galichina.

Actually, this is what Ukrainian supporters have built in Ukraine. It’s just obvious that this quasi-state chimera is not viable and will collapse, killing thousands of innocent lives under its ruins.

There is no future in the past

It is still difficult to discern the signs of the state being created in the Donbass, as no distinct state and social superstructure has emerged on the ruins of Donbass. However, in the speeches of the militia leaders, words about the need to build a socialist state on the remains of Ukraine are extremely rare. Most of both current and former militia leaders are right-wing conservatives, who are extremely far from left-wing ideas. In addition, a substantial part of them are fanatical Orthodox. The author does not have anything against Orthodoxy and religions as such and understands that there are no atheists in the trenches. However, in this ideology there is a significant risk of slipping into what the adherents of Ukrainians have built, an unjust quasi-state in which there is discrimination based on national and religious grounds. For example, during the 2 International Conference “Russia, Novorossia, Ukraine: Global Problems and Challenges”, the thesis of a Dnepropetrovsk social activist sounded the thesis about the need to appoint only Russians to government posts in Novorossiya. And what should the Armenians, Georgians, Bulgarians, Greeks do in this case? To accept the fact that they were thrown to the side of life?

The trouble will be with the expansion of the boundaries of New Russia. During the years of Ukrainian independence, part of the inhabitants of the country, by ideological melting, passed from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate to the subordination of the Kiev Patriarchate. Consequently, the accession of the regions of central and northern Ukraine to the New Russia built along the lines of the Russian Empire will be accompanied by serious difficulties. A substantial proportion of the population of these regions will not perceive the representatives of New Russia. They will be mentally alien to them.

Of course, some of the problems voiced are “childhood diseases” and will pass by themselves in the course of the armed struggle, however, Novorossia has no time. Winter is ahead. Therefore, it needs to change and evolve rapidly.

Dash into the red future

The result of the civil war in Ukraine will be the growth of public demand for a socialist, "red" idea. It is characteristic that both disappointed supporters of Euromaidan and supporters of Novorossia will thirst for a just social state. Euro-Ukrainians will cure a quartet of hunger, cold, darkness and poverty. Novorossy will be unhappy with the pace of recovery of the regions destroyed by the Ukrainian army and the sharp drop in living standards.

Therefore, ideas will come to the fore:

1. Restoration of social justice and the nationalization of all assets of the Ukrainian oligarchs as the perpetrators of the civil war.

2. Recreation of industry owned by the state, since the masses will have an aggressive rejection of the oligarchy as such.

3. Creation of collective agricultural enterprises. Lone farmers in the conditions of economic collapse will go bankrupt, and the agroholdings of the oligarchs will be nationalized.

4. Restoration of the social security system.

So, what remains of Ukraine will await the renaissance of socialism, albeit with the preservation of private property and the possibility of self-realization in small commerce. However, this will be expected not only in Ukraine, but also in the Central Asian republics, which also face the danger of undermining ethno-confessional mines during the retreat of the unipolar world. And our chances of survival in the conditions of new conflicts of modernity will depend on the speed of restoring social justice, creating an ideological synthesis of Russian conservatism and socialism.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 31 October 2014 18: 55
    +21
    Old picture, but you can’t say better
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 31 October 2014 19: 19
      +16
      The main thing now is to defend the independence of New Russia, and after that there will be other tasks of a peaceful nature.
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    4. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 31 October 2014 19: 27
      +3
      Quote: herruvim
      Old picture


      Remember ... or reanimate .....
      They say that a drowning man always has a chance for salvation - "saving the drowning hands of the drowning themselves", maybe they will not drown ...
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 31 October 2014 21: 55
        +4
        Quote: Tanya-umunechka
        "saving the drowning hands of the drowning themselves",

        only these drowning people don’t understand that they are drowning and are becoming increasingly codn
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 31 October 2014 19: 56
      +7
      This mutant was initially unviable.
      1. Ober.K
        Ober.K 1 November 2014 13: 53
        +2
        I agree! I agree 100% !!!
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    6. Denis fj
      Denis fj 31 October 2014 21: 54
      +3
      Otto von Bismarck:

      “The power of Russia can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, set off two parts of a single nation and watch how brother will kill his brother. To do this, you only need to find and cultivate traitors among the national elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of a great nation to such an extent that it will hate everything Russian, hate its kind without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”
    7. Evil Pole
      Evil Pole 1 November 2014 02: 41
      +2
      Quote: herruvim
      Old picture

      It's a bit gloomy. I would prefer such commemorations:
  2. Mooh
    Mooh 31 October 2014 18: 55
    +3
    Communists - they are such optimists. New Russia lies in the balance, and they are already building a bright future. There, even during the years of the war with external and internal enemies.
    1. blizart
      blizart 31 October 2014 19: 04
      +17
      Quote: MooH
      Communists - they are such optimists. New Russia lies in the balance, and they are already building a bright future. There, even during the years of the war with external and internal enemies.

      And what? The idea of ​​universal equality excites minds from Spartak to our days! And a person will always strive for it, no matter how many cones are filled. Otherwise, we would not be people!
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 31 October 2014 19: 19
        +3
        It is one thing to strive, and quite another, peremptorily affirm wink I have nothing against literate socialism, but the author frankly gives out her dreams for reality.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 31 October 2014 23: 05
          -3
          Socialism is (a) vulgar, (b) utopian and (c) scientific. What is "literate socialism"? (from the above)
    2. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 31 October 2014 19: 34
      +6
      ... Communists - they are such optimists ... good

      Yes! We are like that! We put beyond tasks that others don’t even dream of. And most importantly - perform! laughing
    3. tolian
      tolian 31 October 2014 20: 39
      +9
      The optimism of the Communists created the USSR literally in ruins. And defeating the geyropu with her Fuhrer went into space. That is what Communist optimism is.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 31 October 2014 23: 15
        0
        And where did the ruins come from? (Devastation as defined by Professor Preobrazhensky)
        That's right - "we will destroy the whole world of violence, to the bottom and then, we are ours, we will build a new world - whoever was nothing will become everything! "<International>
        1945 and 1961 - I agree, these are the Great Achievements of the Soviet People. But this is the result of LABOR, not optimism, as a way of evaluating the material and spiritual reality surrounding an individual person.
    4. 23 region
      23 region 31 October 2014 20: 57
      +8
      Quote: MooH
      Communists - they are such optimists. New Russia lies in the balance, and they are already building a bright future. There, even during the years of the war with external and internal enemies.

      From the report “On the Work of the April Joint Plenum of the Central Committee and Central Control Commission”, IV Stalin (1878-1953) on April 13, 1928, at a meeting of the Moscow organization of the CPSU (B.) Asset: “They say that it is impossible for the Communists, especially the working Communists business executives to master chemical formulas and generally technical knowledge. That is not true, comrades. There are no such fortresses in the world that the working people, the Bolsheviks, could not take. We didn’t take such fortresses in our struggle with the bourgeoisie. ”
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    6. bda
      bda 2 November 2014 00: 34
      +2
      Communists - they are such optimists. New Russia lies in the balance, and they are already building a bright future. There, even during the years of the war with external and internal enemies.

      Yes, they are not communists.
      This is just another provocateur continues to shake both Novorossia and the "Russian Spring" from the inside - he starts a game of "red" and "white" in a situation when the enemy is already in the next yard simply kills the Russians because they are Russians and does not ask which of them more like Lenin, to whom St. Blessed Prince Alexander Nevsky, to whom Admiral Kolchak, to whom I.V. Stalin, etc.
  3. Koloradovatnik
    Koloradovatnik 31 October 2014 19: 02
    +10
    The ideological synthesis of Russian conservatism and socialism is the future of Russian civilization. The ideas of social justice and the greatness of Russia, the idea of ​​rallying the Russian nation against external enemies and building a bright future of equality and brotherhood together permeate the works of Russian folklore, ancient Russian literature, Russian and Soviet classics. Of course, there will be problems with Marxism, but the goals of the "red patriots" and we, Russian monarchists, conservatives, are the same.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 31 October 2014 21: 37
      +3
      Demagogy however. Russian conservatism is monarchism, Orthodoxy, and nationality. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat established by the socialist revolution.
      You have already decided how the absolute (or still constitutional (?)) Monarch-emperor can combine with the proletarian dictatorship, conducted by the party as the military vanguard of the revolutionary proletariat.
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 31 October 2014 22: 15
        +3
        Quote: OldWiser
        Demagogy however. Russian conservatism is monarchism, Orthodoxy, and nationality. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat established by the socialist revolution.
        You have already decided how the absolute (or still constitutional (?)) Monarch-emperor can combine with the proletarian dictatorship, conducted by the party as the military vanguard of the revolutionary proletariat.

        And what, in the 1930's, people with foam at the mouth did not demand death to their enemies, the people? To find videos of those events in the same YouTube is not a problem.
        Monarchism, I will say more - imperialism (in the good sense of the word) - this is good for Russia. Not a single nation in the Russian Empire was destroyed by, at least, the linguistic principle. And under the Soviet Union - in general: writing was created for those nations that had not had it before. In the USSR, any of the 14 republics (except the RSFSR) had its own Academy of Sciences. Quilts infected with smallpox were not supplied on the territory of the Russian Empire, unlike the future USA, not a single nation.
        It is not necessary to establish any dictatorship of any proletariat - it is necessary to work honestly and honestly pay for labor. At the same time, honestly pay taxes and honestly, without pity and hope for correction, to exterminate those who have no right to continue to exist: rapists, pedophiles, convinced criminals and everyone involved in the drug business - from a simple courier or a dealer to a chain organizer.
        Without all this, Russia is worthless.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 31 October 2014 23: 00
          0
          Monarchism and imperialism are two different things. Monarchism is a person’s commitment to the monarchical form of government - at the head of the state - the monarch (dynastic or elected, autocratic or limited by the constitution). Imperialism (according to V.I. Ulyanov) is the highest and last stage of the capitalist socio-economic formation or state-monopoly capitalism. Although with national characteristics - trust in the USA, military feudal (Russia and Japan before the WWII), etc. etc.
          About
          Quote: ksv1973
          imperialism (in the good sense of the word)

          I would like to hear in more detail.
          Fair work and fair pay are children's stories. There is an objective contradiction between labor and capital - the hired worker sells his labor power to capital (private or state) and a conflict of interests is inevitable - the employee is interested in getting as much as possible for his labor, while capital (as an employer) pays the employee not all of the surplus value produced by the employee. and the cost of consumed labor - for more details read "Capital" by Karl Marx. Although the author is a Jew, the book is for all time.
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    2. ksv1973
      ksv1973 31 October 2014 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: Colorado
      Of course, there will be problems with Marxism, but the goals of the "red patriots" and we, Russian monarchists, conservatives, are the same.

      If minor incomparability is rejected and discarded, then Marxism and monarchism are something like communicating vessels. It seems that Russia, having passed and experienced both of these realities, is preparing to offer the world a new, consonant with the Chinese, socio-political model. And the Anglo-Saxon part of the world, feeling the effectiveness of this model and, as a result, its withering - it begins to flutter in defense of its existence. The Anglo-Saxons and their vassals have a lot of strength. And the resurgent opportunities of Russia, given the emerging cooperation with China and others from the BRICS, are a potentially huge nail in the lid of the coffin of Anglo-Saxon and waving Euro-to-all-all-trash-tolerant civilizations to it.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 31 October 2014 21: 59
        0
        A new socio-political model ("Russian Orthodox-socialist monarchism" ???) has not yet been described or proposed anywhere. And the non-existent nail in the coffin lid, and even the "potentially huge" one, is a weapon of such terrible power that Western civilization must and must fall into a stupor and crumble only at the thought of its possible presence in the "Russian World". Can anyone present at least sketch sketches? laughing
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        2. ksv1973
          ksv1973 31 October 2014 22: 42
          +1
          Quote: OldWiser
          A new socio-political model ("Russian Orthodox-socialist monarchism" ???) has not yet been described or proposed anywhere. And the non-existent nail in the coffin lid, and even the "potentially huge" one, is a weapon of such terrible power that Western civilization must and must fall into a stupor and crumble only at the thought of its possible presence in the "Russian World". Can anyone present at least sketch sketches? laughing

          Geopolitical models were formed and, even more so, scientifically formed in more than one decade. The concepts of slavery and feudalism did not immediately come into the terminology of historians. But "Swedish socialism" - do these words mean something to you? If so, why are you being ironic, dear OldWiser?
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 31 October 2014 23: 29
            0
            "Swedish socialism" is state-private capitalism (!!!), with a significant degree of withdrawal (taxes and pensions) and redistribution of surplus product to ensure the legally established functions of a "socially oriented market economy".
            And the irony - it just presented a huge coffin for the whole "Puritan-Anglo-Saxon" and "gayro-to-everything-tolerant", shorter than the Western one, you know, the whole civilization, and fit into the framework of a small "bad" apartment (I watch on TV-3 " Master and Margarita ") and smiled with all his heart. laughing Do not be offended. But you still need to read books.
  4. saag
    saag 31 October 2014 19: 03
    +7
    "... So, what remains of Ukraine will await the renaissance of socialism, albeit with the preservation of private property and the possibility of self-realization in small commerce."

    Well, that’s a good thing, the main thing is that it’s in demand, Ilyich did not in vain say that a spark will ignite, so let them dare
  5. Vancha
    Vancha 31 October 2014 19: 04
    +4
    And yet - communism;)
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    3. 23 region
      23 region 31 October 2014 21: 05
      +2
      Quote: Vancha
      And yet - communism;)

      And no other way!
  6. cucun
    cucun 31 October 2014 19: 07
    +5
    And who believes in the bright capitalistic future of Russia?
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 31 October 2014 20: 43
      0
      Quote: cucun
      And who believes in the bright capitalistic future of Russia?

      Now it’s not the 1991th century or even the XNUMXth year.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 31 October 2014 21: 12
        +4
        Quote: PENZYAC
        Quote: cucun
        And who believes in the bright capitalistic future of Russia?

        Now it’s not the 1991th century or even the XNUMXth year.

        I see a minus that really someone else believes in the "bright" capitalist future of Russia?
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 31 October 2014 21: 48
          0
          Probably supporters of the theory of convergence in the information and post-industrial society
  7. sever.56
    sever.56 31 October 2014 19: 09
    +12
    I am delighted with the people who managed to READ, ANALYZE AND DISCLAIM IN 2 MINUTES FOR ANYTHING !!!
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 31 October 2014 19: 40
      +5
      AND GIVE A FABULOUS COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING !!!

      So we studied under socialism, and many here really quickly and read a lot. By the way, they are also printing blindly 10 ...
      And about "nothing ..." - this is your personal opinion. We have suffered this agreement with the author ... So admire, we - do not mind! laughing
    2. soviet skytourist
      soviet skytourist 1 November 2014 00: 55
      0
      they read positive already, maybe even with time the meaning of the written will reach what
  8. Romin
    Romin 31 October 2014 19: 13
    +2
    BRUSSELS, October 31. / Corr. TASS Denis Dubrovin /. To achieve a trilateral agreement between Ukraine and the EU on gas supplies and transit, by the end of March 2015, Russia made certain concessions, saving Europe and Ukraine from the cold. This was stated in an exclusive interview by Russia's Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov.
    I understand that we will sponsor Ukraine further!
    Those. We will all sponsor the APU together. And in place of the fact that freezing relatives and soldiers overthrow the junta, we create conditions for Kolomoisky, Parashenko and other garbage to continue the Russophobia policy.
    Those. At this important moment, the hand trembled! Why hurry then? And they made fun, nothing history teaches us. History gives us such trump cards in our hands, and ours cannot take advantage. It’s not bitter to say this phrase: But you would learn from the Amers how to get the most out of even a zero situation! Except, as a word: Suckers, for a team of negotiators and their goals I can not pick up!
    A lot of running here and does not smell. Ah Putin, Putin ... With all due respect to you, but why rush something like that !!! The end of October only !!! After all, you can squeeze out more !!! They themselves will give and on our terms.
    And charity, look at recent events and history, no one will approve, and no one needs it! All of us at the top think what we will do and will consider us good, what an illusory nonsense! Will never be! Do not remember! And the first case is bent. There is nothing to be proud of (
    Someone forgot that they do not sit at the same table with the weak, and they do not solve serious issues on EQUAL. Oh, spare me from here. Yes, We, yes, nuclear weapons ... Yes! But the negotiations should be conducted by professionals, and the results should only be positive for us!
    It infuriates me right, my husband’s brother and I have a young doctor (obstetrician-gynecologist) -the salary of 20450. And here, damn it, give out presents !!!!
    1. DV69
      DV69 31 October 2014 20: 38
      +5
      Quote: Romin
      BRUSSELS, October 31. / Corr. TASS Denis Dubrovin /. To achieve a trilateral agreement between Ukraine and the EU on gas supplies and transit, by the end of March 2015, Russia made certain concessions, saving Europe and Ukraine from the cold. This was stated in an exclusive interview by Russia's Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov.
      I understand that we will sponsor Ukraine further!
      Those. We will all sponsor the APU together. And in place of the fact that freezing relatives and soldiers overthrow the junta, we create conditions for Kolomoisky, Parashenko and other garbage to continue the Russophobia policy.
      Those. At this important moment, the hand trembled! Why hurry then? And they made fun, nothing history teaches us. History gives us such trump cards in our hands, and ours cannot take advantage. It’s not bitter to say this phrase: But you would learn from the Amers how to get the most out of even a zero situation! Except, as a word: Suckers, for a team of negotiators and their goals I can not pick up!
      A lot of running here and does not smell. Ah Putin, Putin ... With all due respect to you, but why rush something like that !!! The end of October only !!! After all, you can squeeze out more !!! They themselves will give and on our terms.
      And charity, look at recent events and history, no one will approve, and no one needs it! All of us at the top think what we will do and will consider us good, what an illusory nonsense! Will never be! Do not remember! And the first case is bent. There is nothing to be proud of (
      Someone forgot that they do not sit at the same table with the weak, and they do not solve serious issues on EQUAL. Oh, spare me from here. Yes, We, yes, nuclear weapons ... Yes! But the negotiations should be conducted by professionals, and the results should only be positive for us!
      Enrages straight, my brother's spouse has a young doctor (obstetrician-gynecologist), salary 20450. And here pancake gifts are handed out !!!!


      And why did you get that selling gas is sponsorship? Are we giving it away for nothing?
      Does Ukraine have money for gas?
      So, as they pay for gas, they will receive it. And nothing more.
      No need to escalate the situation.
    2. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 31 October 2014 20: 45
      +3
      Quote: Romin
      A lot of running here and does not smell.

      I disagree, rather you are narrow in the vision of the alignment, the opponents are "foolish" when it remains to take one card over the trump card! And then the flip-flop and the transfer, and the kholokhs are also in the "swara", on their table at the same time they play, and with a "bullet in the stomach" For interest, I don't want to decrypt, separated by commas: sales, profits, transit and free transit, the face of the EC, competitors, "Yuzhny P." "Severny" + 2, "Maidan New", Novorosiya, but damn it, I can print maps until nightfall ...
  9. ALEXX.
    ALEXX. 31 October 2014 19: 21
    +4
    Yes, there will be no sense with this Ukraine, died so died.
  10. IAlex
    IAlex 31 October 2014 19: 37
    0
    For the author, in the Krasnoyarsk zoo there is a flock of penguins wink
    To the question of how it all ends, we can say that there will be an analogue of agricultural Bulgaria kept from collapse and extinction only by Nazi ideology and the search for enemies, and with regard to New Russia, it is likely to turn into a small Ukraine of the 1991–2014 type only in the opposite direction to Banderism .. Why? Because it’s still the Outskirts with the Outskirts, they were there and they will be there, and their approaches will not change, because they are ...
    1. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 31 October 2014 22: 48
      +1
      If New Russia does take place, then it will be in the sphere of influence of Russia. Of course, without theft and corruption, it’s nowhere, but still, I think, it certainly won’t look like a free Ukraine. In Transnistria and South Ossetia, they steal and somehow divide the money. In Abkhazia, something was shabby, but again on the topic - who more to tear from milking and who did not get it. And - everyone everywhere works, produces, and not just sits and waits for the manna from heaven (from Europe, or from Russia, if only it would arrive).
  11. Amper
    Amper 31 October 2014 19: 39
    +7
    Quote: MooH
    Communists - they are such optimists. New Russia lies in the balance, and they are already building a bright future. There, even during the years of the war with external and internal enemies.

    This is their strength. Not party bosses, but ordinary, until the very last day they built and believed in a happy future, even for grandchildren. And they set up a lot, still they can’t ruin and steal everything.
    Capitalism, it’s every man for himself, you haven’t bitten, they will bite you, after me at least a flood, man wolf to man.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 31 October 2014 22: 16
      +2
      The key issue is the exploitation of man. The exploitation of the working person will always be - for any pay for labor - this is the cost of the consumed labor force of the employee, which is ALWAYS less than the additional product produced by him. The whole question is who takes this surplus value — either the private owner of the means of production or the state — for fulfilling social obligations.
      Liberal marketers argue that the first model is more capable of self-regulation through competition, and the second is utopian due to the imperfection of human nature, leading to abuse and loss of motivation to work.
  12. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 31 October 2014 19: 48
    +2
    Russia, its population is a country with a leftist ideology, and what happened at the turn of the century is the greatest betrayal and tragedy. But having returned to square one and having the latest inoculation to capital, the country will recover in the shortest possible time, the continuation of the current "order" is a road to nowhere. I am talking about Russia for the reason that Novorossiya, from Chisinau to Kharkov, is all Russia, and such an education as Ukraine is nothing more than an unnatural misunderstanding.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 31 October 2014 22: 28
      0
      The populists and the followers of their ideas - the anarchists and the Socialist-Revolutionaries - also talked about the "innate inclination to socialism" among the Russian peasant peasant raised by the patriarchal community. About betrayal and tragedy - I agree 100%. But I categorically disagree with the thesis about the "leftism" of Russian ideology, due to its absence. Orthodoxy is not socialism, and a dynastic sovereign-emperor is not an elected political leader.
  13. padded jacket
    padded jacket 31 October 2014 20: 14
    +1
    Interview with Alexei Mozgov:

    Cossack guard moves the front:
  14. padded jacket
    padded jacket 31 October 2014 20: 20
    +2
    News of New Russia:

    The sands of the militia of the Vostok battalion are ready for the advance of the Ukrainian security forces:
  15. padded jacket
    padded jacket 31 October 2014 20: 34
    +3
    Prapor: If the fighters do as I say, we always win:
  16. PYC75
    PYC75 31 October 2014 20: 48
    +1
    By the way, in (in) Ukraine, almost all elections through the Maidan, the Maydan are elected, the Maidan are dropped, as if, the tribe-yumba tribe, it’s good that they do not eat the former leaders
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 31 October 2014 21: 07
      +4
      Quote: PYC75
      it’s good that they do not eat former leaders

      Or maybe vice versa, bad?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 31 October 2014 21: 19
        +2
        Quote: revnagan
        Quote: PYC75
        it’s good that they do not eat former leaders

        Or maybe vice versa, bad?

        Well, Yanukovych, he’s at least well-fed and smooth, but offer to eat Yushchenko ... belay Pity the cannibals, they will be poisoned! am
        Greenpeace will be against. negative
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 31 October 2014 22: 34
          0
          Yushchenko pickle before use 24 hours
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 31 October 2014 22: 02
      +5
      Quote: PYC75
      By the way, in (in) Ukraine, almost all elections through the Maidan, the Maydan are elected, the Maidan are dropped, as if, the tribe-yumba tribe, it’s good that they do not eat the former leaders

      something like this
  17. hard
    hard 31 October 2014 20: 53
    +2
    Quote: tolian
    The optimism of the Communists created the USSR literally in ruins. And defeating the geyropu with her Fuhrer went into space. That is what Communist optimism is.

    Add - REAL COMMUNISTS, not party members.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 31 October 2014 21: 24
      +3
      Quote: hard
      Quote: tolian
      The optimism of the Communists created the USSR literally in ruins. And defeating the geyropu with her Fuhrer went into space. That is what Communist optimism is.

      Add - REAL COMMUNISTS, not party members.

      Most ordinary members of the party were all the same real Communists. Although the higher the party hierarchy, the more and more werewolf hypocrites turned out to be, but still you don’t have to cut all the members of the party in one comb.
  18. terrible
    terrible 31 October 2014 21: 57
    -3
    Although they are red, they are gray-brown-raspberry. One horseradish Ukrainians do not need us in Russia !!!!!!
  19. RADIOACTIVE
    RADIOACTIVE 31 October 2014 22: 22
    0
    [qZYAC] [quote = revnagan] [quote = PYC75] it’s good that the former leaders do not eat [/ quote]
    Or maybe vice versa, bad? [/ Quote]
    Well, Yanukovych, he’s at least well-fed and smooth, but offer to eat Yushchenko ... belay Pity the cannibals, they will be poisoned! am
    Greenpeace will be against. negative[/ Quote]
    A greenpeace is better to serve eggs with baked piglets
  20. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 31 October 2014 22: 34
    +1
    Purely according to the article - it is, of course, pathos, and such an upbeat ... But I still want socialism. Of the present.
    1. BIG
      BIG 1 November 2014 06: 45
      0
      God forbid us real socialism! With his two-hour bursts of sour cream (and no more than a kilogram in one hand), with his loaves of bread for 18 kopecks (and poorly mixed impurities from yesterday’s bits), with his free housing (and twenty-year bursts of housing for workers of large enterprises) with his stupid distribution system, inevitably bringing to life nepotism, bribery, blat, with its corrupted, unprincipled and obedient to the West elite.
      This we passed, and once is enough!
  21. Normal ok
    Normal ok 31 October 2014 22: 58
    +1
    The problem of the left (especially the communists) has always been blind faith in human rational thinking. Homo sapiens is a utopia. After the massacre of the First World War, mankind was disappointed in this. Stalin also took this into account, it was not in vain that he studied at the seminary. In general, it would be more correct to be a "smart-ass man" with scientific and technical insights :)
  22. Oldwiser
    Oldwiser 31 October 2014 23: 59
    0
    According to the author of the article, the "NovoRussia" project can only take place on socialist grounds - as anti-oligarchic in the first place. But there are no real political forces in the Donbass that could organize and lead this process. And oligarchic-capitalist Russia will not support the NovoRussia project as a socialist one. Class interest is above national interest, and the laws of class struggle do not cancel the temporary defeat of the socialist experiment in the USSR.
  23. Alfizik
    Alfizik 1 November 2014 00: 54
    0
    Embroideries are a nation’s self-expression, mentality, subconscious desire to prove something. But for the West (they will, of course, be denied), embroideries are the same as beads for the Papuans. What are the Papuans doing now? Beads, well, and that reap. Everyone is already interested that in the end they will reap fabulous Ukrainians endowed with beads from Uncle Sam.
  24. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 November 2014 02: 14
    +1
    The Euro-Ukrainians will be cured by a quartet of hunger, cold, darkness and poverty.

    No "quartet" will cure them. If a person died, it’s for a long time. If d. Urak - forever... Hunger, cold, poverty will make these prancing screamers even more embittered. Due to their already pathological stupidity, they will blame Russia and the Russians with even greater zeal. A nation saturated with nationalism and "freebies" cannot exist for long.
  25. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 1 November 2014 03: 18
    +1
    Question: What socialist idea will take possession of the Ukrainians !!! They are already stewing in the ideas of National Socialism, that is, Nazism. And with what fright they will turn to international socialism, if today they do not like themselves either - they chose the government, which destroys them for anything - for the fact that these Ukrainians are either Russians, or negroes, for that, that they believe in the wrong church, for disloyalty, for a sidelong glance. There is no need for illusions about the "red renaissance" in Ukraine. It will be red only because of the blood spilled. repeat
  26. terrible
    terrible 1 November 2014 04: 24
    0
    ) the people voting for fag and killers are the killer and pi.dor !!!!
  27. Semenov
    Semenov 1 November 2014 08: 11
    0
    An article by an idealist dreamer. It is about the life and death of 3-4 million people, so there should be a military dictatorship and military communism for 2-3 years. Perhaps a small private business.
  28. captain
    captain 1 November 2014 11: 33
    0
    In principle, the author is right, Central (right-bank) Ukraine and Galicia have an excellent mentality from the South-East (New Russia) and it will be very difficult to combine them into one state. Galicians are Uniates, the right-bank Ukraine was annexed to Russia at the end of the 18, the beginning of the 19 centuries, and what could be common between these peoples?
    1. Prager
      Prager 1 November 2014 14: 42
      0
      you are completely correct in your comment. right-bankers and Galicians are genetically "sharpened" under the geyrope, to which the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine do not care. They have nothing in common.