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Serial frigate "Admiral of the fleet of Kasatons" transferred to the launch dock

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At the Severnaya Verf shipyard today, the first serial frigate of project 22350 Admiral was transferred from a boathouse to a launch dock fleet Kasatonov ", the agency said Portnews with reference to the press service of the enterprise.

Frigate project 22350

The new frigate in its characteristics and combat properties surpasses the existing ships of its class. "The main features of the frigate of a new generation are the growth of the combat potential due to the qualitative improvement weapons and weapons, improved stealth, survivability, seaworthiness, operational characteristics of ship energy, wide automation of the management systems of weapons systems and technical equipment of ships. The ship has significant potential for modernization, ”the press service said.

The lead frigate of this series, the Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Potted, is currently undergoing mooring and sea trials, after which it will be handed over to the Navy.

The press release notes that the shipyard is also building other ships: “the frigates of the 22350 project Admiral Golovko and the Admiral of the Soviet Navy Isakov; Corsets 20385 "Thundering" and "Agile"; the reconnaissance ships of the project 18280 "Yuri Ivanov", "Ivan Khurs"; logistic support vessels of the 23120 project ”.

The agency’s reference: Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant OJSC (part of the USK group of enterprises) is the leading Russian company in surface shipbuilding and shipbuilding, which is more than 75% Russian military surface shipbuilding. The company was founded by 14 November 1912 of the year under the name Putillo Shipyard ".

In accordance with the concluded contracts, Severnaya Verf should build and transfer to the Russian Navy 4 the frigate of the 22350 project, the 4 corvette of the 20380 and 20385 projects, 3 of the rear support ship of the high ice class ARC4 based on the 23120 project, and also the XNUM 2 medium reconnaissance ship .
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 October 2014 19: 23
    +57
    come on shipbuilders come on fellow
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 30 October 2014 19: 42
      +59
      In history, nothing changes
      1. jjj
        jjj 30 October 2014 19: 48
        +15
        The main thing is that the series goes like clockwork
        1. avg
          avg 31 October 2014 11: 30
          +2
          It's time to connect the Crimeans. I called a friend in Feodosia (More plant) and says that while they are "not shaky, not shaky" they are dealing with the property, nothing is done. The salary was not paid at all, but now they paid "to support the pants" against future income. And they, before the referendum, were already completely ready to start building Ukrainian corvettes, so there is a production base.
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 31 October 2014 18: 53
            +4
            But the Crimeans before the referendum had to nevertheless clarify that nothing would work out quickly. Private property must be capitalized, valued, found money and redeemed. The owner may not agree with the price. Then through the court. And the bridge cannot be built quickly. And re-register apartments and houses. Start paying taxes for them. Crimea also can’t quickly provide water and energy. They knew what they were going to - they had to endure and work.
        2. yehat
          yehat 31 October 2014 12: 56
          0
          the lead ship was very expensive
          I wonder what price they plan in the series?
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        4. Normal ok
          Normal ok 1 November 2014 20: 30
          0
          And financing.
        5. The comment was deleted.
      2. Kapitan Oleg
        Kapitan Oleg 30 October 2014 20: 36
        +9
        Army, Navy, Air Force, Strategic Missile Forces!
      3. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 30 October 2014 21: 33
        +18
        Today is the Day of the surface fleet of Russia! Happy holiday, warlords!
      4. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 1 November 2014 20: 27
        0
        What about aviation !?
    2. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey 30 October 2014 20: 36
      +22
      Frigate photo:
      1. Zlodeey
        Zlodeey 30 October 2014 21: 59
        +32
        A little off topic: who cares, a new video of the launch of the mace, shooting inside the apl:
        1. Mih
          Mih 30 October 2014 22: 36
          +2
          Zlodeey
          A little off topic: who cares.

          Everyone is interested. Hooray!!! You +1000000000 fellow But the question is, where are the shots from? stop
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 30 October 2014 22: 47
            +2
            All Russian media watch this video.
          2. Zlodeey
            Zlodeey 30 October 2014 22: 58
            +2
            Quote: Mih
            Zlodeey
            A little off topic: who cares.

            Everyone is interested. Hooray!!! You +1000000000 fellow But the question is, where are the shots from? stop

            From the channel RT in YouTube, links:
            In English: http://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaToday/videos
            In Russian: http://www.youtube.com/user/rtrussian/videos
            1. Mih
              Mih 30 October 2014 23: 03
              0
              Zlodeey
              Thank you. love
          3. African
            African 31 October 2014 17: 43
            0
            An indicative rocket launch, RT takes off by order, and lets out a picture around the world to see what kind of boats we have inside are beautiful and bright. Why, not like before. Russia Forever! laughing
        2. Zlodeey
          Zlodeey 30 October 2014 23: 08
          +9
          Well, in addition, in the news on the site I did not find: Laying down of two boats "Kolpino" and "Veliky Novgorod"

          1. Mih
            Mih 30 October 2014 23: 29
            +1
            Laying down of two boats "Kolpino" and "Veliky Novgorod"

            Well, something the video is buggy, and so +10000000 love
            1. ius61
              ius61 31 October 2014 07: 30
              +1
              We have many settlements, all new submarines will be enough to name themselves (imagine - a new submarine "Ferma" has been launched! (A village near Perm))
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      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 1 November 2014 20: 31
        0
        Honored pepilats. good
    3. Denis fj
      Denis fj 30 October 2014 21: 47
      +8
      The lead frigate of Project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" is being demagnetized.

      clickable.
      1. Denis fj
        Denis fj 30 October 2014 21: 52
        +13
        So today's photo from the territory of the Kirov plant. Well not tied. And then I would be sitting now, giving detailed and truthful testimony. On the one hand, like nonsense, but if you cling ...
        I met today with a knowledgeable person. I deliver something to his company, and she does, again, “something” to the frigates of both projects and corvettes. Accordingly, he keeps his hand on the pulse and is more than interested. So situevina with import substitution is rather sad. Despite the press reports on the creation of their gas turbines in 2-3 years, the delivery dates to the shipyards (Severnaya and Kaliningrad) are 2019. Three projects each received three from Ukraine, and then we are waiting ... And even 20385 corvettes, where everything seemingly heavily clogged in a project with Fritz engines. It’s easier to play back to Kolomna there, but projects need to be redone. So in Kaliningrad they are already seriously talking about the next BDK under the project of the long-suffering Gren, etc.
        1. Zlodeey
          Zlodeey 30 October 2014 22: 05
          +1
          hi With service, how are things going to be done with already delivered gas turbines?


          So in Kaliningrad they are already seriously talking about the next BDK under the project of the long-suffering Gren, etc.

          Sorry, I didn’t understand, but how is this related to the gas turbine?
          1. Denis fj
            Denis fj 30 October 2014 22: 30
            +4
            From my knowledgeable person, I understood this.
            About German diesels. The main power plant has been significantly improved, the diesel-diesel unit DDA12000 will be replaced with an installation by MTU. "
            I can’t say anything about gas turbines .....
            1. Cenij150814
              Cenij150814 30 October 2014 22: 39
              +4
              Quote: denis fj
              DDA12000 will be replaced by MTU unit. "

              Oh, this notorious "import substitution" laughing
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 30 October 2014 22: 48
                +4
                Quote: Cenij150814
                Oh, this is the notorious import substitution

                I wish you good health, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel! wink
                After all, it was not for nothing that the adversaries said: Russia and Ukraine are always a great power, and without Ukraine, there is always no (Bzezhinsky)
                And they regularly rob their dirty work!
                1. Cenij150814
                  Cenij150814 30 October 2014 23: 03
                  +3
                  Quote: DRA-88
                  I wish you good health, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel!

                  Hello!!
                  The fact that I already "potpol" learned from your comment belay
                  Quote: DRA-88
                  After all, it was not for nothing that the adversaries said: Russia and Ukraine are always a great power, and without Ukraine, there is always no (Bzezhinsky)
                  And they regularly rob their dirty work!

                  Vladlen, he (the adversary) had to add "even with complete dybiloids in power" for a complete picture of the "future."
                  1. DRA-88
                    DRA-88 30 October 2014 23: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: Cenij150814
                    add "and with the fullest d.i. biloids in power" for a complete picture of the "future".

                    And here is Sasha, Dear Comrade, a small mistake not "d. And .. loids in power", but thoughtful, cunning and insidious traitors!
                    Now oil painting! good
                    1. Cenij150814
                      Cenij150814 30 October 2014 23: 23
                      -2
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      And here is Sasha, Dear Comrade, a small mistake not "d

                      Then I agree-partially, of course, I do not doubt for a minute that such exist, but they are a minority, because when you see these "uncles", you are amazed! The probability that they "mow" for me is extremely small, as an example the same Rogozin, a clown by God!
                      1. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 30 October 2014 23: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: Cenij150814
                        Then I agree, partially

                        "The capitalists are not idle talkers. They are business people. They know that the
                        the question of revolution and counter-revolution is the question of power. "
                        I.V. Stalin. (“What do the capitalists want?” V. 3, p. 188.)
            2. Zlodeey
              Zlodeey 30 October 2014 22: 56
              +3
              Understood thanks. smile
              Is it really planned to build a series of BDK project 11711 (Ivan Gren) in a quantity of 6 units?
        2. Vasek
          Vasek 30 October 2014 22: 16
          +4
          Quote: denis fj
          And then I would be sitting now, giving detailed and truthful testimony.

          wink If they want it, they will find it.
          So be careful Denis!
          hi
        3. Mih
          Mih 30 October 2014 22: 40
          +4
          So in Kaliningrad they’re already talking seriously

          Do not be sad. What a panic mood. Keep your nose in the wind !!!
          1. Denis fj
            Denis fj 30 October 2014 23: 11
            +1
            It’s so accurate to hold, or rather, “adapt to circumstances.”
            1. Maks-80
              Maks-80 30 October 2014 23: 43
              +3
              It is necessary to lure all the specialists and workers of the military-industrial complex from Ukraine with all the documentation to Russia, provide people with jobs, salaries, housing, children in places at the school, and then the import substitution process will go even faster laughing
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 30 October 2014 22: 09
        +11
        Quote: denis fj
        The lead frigate of Project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" is being demagnetized.

        clickable.

        Headache after demagnetization with a helicopter on board, looks elegant.
        1. Mih
          Mih 30 October 2014 22: 48
          +3
          Beautiful carabel! fellow
        2. Zlodeey
          Zlodeey 30 October 2014 23: 13
          0
          Is a new helicopter interesting? Is it worth it or a modernized one? Identification marks on it are not yet visible.

          In general, ka-29, ka-31 is assembled for our fleet? smile
          1. Denis fj
            Denis fj 30 October 2014 23: 44
            0
            For reconnaissance, both anti-submarine and airborne, a Ka-27 helicopter will be based on the frigate. But I don’t know which one is better modernized !! smile
      3. sandrmur76
        sandrmur76 31 October 2014 00: 51
        +2
        I live in Murmansk near Severomorsk and I have nothing to do with ships. But is it still interesting to know why they demagnetize? If it's not difficult to explain repeat
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 31 October 2014 01: 13
          +4
          Quote: sandrmur76
          why demagnetize?

          To destroy the magnetic field of the ship, through which the detection systems (in the form of a loop with current at the bottom) and magnetic non-contact fuses of weapons (mines, torpedoes) are triggered. As well as sensors of the satellite RTR: upon the interaction of a permanent magnet with the Earth's magnetic field.
          Surely there is something else, but I only know that. hi
          1. sandrmur76
            sandrmur76 31 October 2014 01: 17
            +1
            Thanks for clarification Alexander hi It can be seen that a lot of things are tied fellow
        2. yehat
          yehat 31 October 2014 13: 07
          +1
          Now they write a lot about air defense of ships, anti-aircraft systems and other things that the ship protects against missiles. The topic is popular, but for 2 centuries there is a more terrible threat - mine-torpedo weapons. To combat it is used, INCLUDING, and the demagnetization of the ship's hull and this is a standard procedure. This is such an ordinary operation that few people think about it.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 30 October 2014 22: 47
      +4
      We are waiting for new ships to be added to the Navy, the situation is alarming, so brothers shipbuilders, the whole country is looking at you.
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    6. twviewer
      twviewer 30 October 2014 23: 39
      +1
      why release parallel 3 varieties of the same? 22350,22380,22385
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 1 November 2014 17: 05
        -1
        Are you kidding me? 22350 - frigate, 20380 and 20385 - corvettes of almost one project, the second is more saturated with weapons, as if an updated project 20380
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 2 November 2014 10: 22
          -1
          the issue was unification, not the size or difference of the cutting material.
          By the way, they do not differ in saturation of weapons, only in composition and layout.
          1. twviewer
            twviewer 2 November 2014 10: 41
            0
            although the frigate still needs to be separated, my jamb :)
    7. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 31 October 2014 08: 57
      0
      It looks like everything is going according to Pikul's novel "Out of the Dead End", and it pleases!
  2. Belbizback
    Belbizback 30 October 2014 19: 24
    +23
    I respect GDP. And his actions in relation to the Army of RUSSIA. !!!
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 30 October 2014 19: 36
      +19
      Quote: Belbizback
      I respect

      similarly ... and most importantly ... these frigates are actually our destroyers ... in terms of armament so sure ... they should be stamped like smoke sausages .... cheap (relatively) + tasty + cheerful + real economy ... saturate they need all the fleets .... the series is still small .... we are waiting ... we are waiting for an increase ... you give 2 ships of this series per year)) ... my dreams))
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 30 October 2014 19: 56
        +9
        Quote: gispanec
        my dreams))

        Dreams sometimes come true. The Russian fleet must be balanced, strong, and capable of projecting force at any moment anywhere in the world! Without such a fleet, Russia will have to be tight in the future.
        So far, things are not going badly. We are waiting for the formation of combat units of the fleet!
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 30 October 2014 20: 08
          +9
          Quote: GSH-18
          The Russian fleet must be balanced, strong, and capable of projecting force at any moment anywhere in the world!

          in such a fleet there should be a place for Mistrals and Kuzyam (in a new version) and eagles .... everything just needs to be balanced and calculated according to the number of pennants for each fleet ... mosquito somewhere .... somewhere underwater covered eagles ... somewhere Mistral with frigates ... somewhere destroyers like herrings for a shelban on the nose ... well and desilyuhi (aerobic wunderwafers) on each in accordance with the tasks ... a strong and powerful fleet is a strong country! and this fact proves the story ....
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          2. maxcor1974
            maxcor1974 30 October 2014 20: 24
            0
            Here about Mistral I do not agree with you. What the hell is this for us?
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 30 October 2014 20: 49
            +4
            Quote: gispanec
            in such a fleet there should be a place for Mistrals and Kuzyam (in a new version) and eagles ..

            Well, yes, I wrote the key phrase: "combat units of the fleet" that is, AUG (Aircraft Carrier Strike Group) Includes a nuclear aircraft carrier, a nuclear missile cruiser (such as "Peter the Great", or "Moscow", "Varyag", in general, a heavy missile cruiser), escort destroyers, and submarines. Deck aircraft greatly increases the combat stability of a compound in the oceanic zone, among other things.
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            2. goose
              goose 31 October 2014 12: 01
              0
              The Varangian in terms of dimensions only pulls on the destroyer.
      2. fox21h
        fox21h 30 October 2014 22: 50
        +1
        In general, I’m karting a month, won’t end. At one time, atomic submarines did at such a speed, I think this is also possible with us on large series
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 30 October 2014 21: 21
      +5
      Quote: Belbizback
      I respect GDP. And his actions in relation to the Army of RUSSIA. !!!

      Prolonged and prolonged applause turning into a standing ovation!
      - I really love the pancreas!
      - And I’m even more of him!
      1. Mih
        Mih 30 October 2014 23: 02
        +2
        Nayhas Prolonged and prolonged applause turning into a standing ovation!

        You know Army General, that I, too, cannot live in a world where there is no color differentiation of pants. (planet Pluck must be left). drinks
    3. Samarin
      Samarin 30 October 2014 22: 09
      -6
      Quote: Belbizback
      I respect GDP. And his actions

      Well done, licked!
    4. fox21h
      fox21h 30 October 2014 22: 53
      +5
      Quote: Belbizback
      I respect GDP. And his actions in relation to the Army of RUSSIA. !!!

      GDP is generally well done, it’s a pity that with import substitution, not everything went smoothly, with the engines mostly, but we don’t get used to it, not everything is as bad as it could be, but not as good as we would like)
      1. yehat
        yehat 31 October 2014 16: 20
        0
        import substitution is a crazy fetish. It is not imports that need to be replaced, but better conditions for production
      2. yehat
        yehat 31 October 2014 16: 20
        +1
        import substitution is a crazy fetish. It is not imports that need to be replaced, but better conditions for production
  3. Abbra
    Abbra 30 October 2014 19: 24
    +8
    Handsome man! and most importantly, great opportunities for modernization. Oh, years! It would be like this on the oceans!
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 30 October 2014 19: 55
      +3
      Everything has its own time, although I would also like to.
  4. Lyolik
    Lyolik 30 October 2014 19: 27
    +4
    Wow, how big is good, bigger. North Shipyard builds ships for the joy of Russia and us. !!!! good
  5. IAlex
    IAlex 30 October 2014 19: 27
    +9
    But what for, this article, if it’s about nothing, you can soon write an article about what the workers did in a day, if it’s not enough then go to the clock ...
    1. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 30 October 2014 20: 01
      +5
      Yes, today is the first time Shipbuilder's day! Happy holiday, colleagues!
  6. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 30 October 2014 19: 29
    +3
    We are reviving the army and navy, we are reviving Great Russia!
  7. The Art of War
    The Art of War 30 October 2014 19: 31
    +6
    Corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 30 October 2014 19: 38
      +9
      And another photo of the Corvette
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War 30 October 2014 19: 41
        +8
        On the sides, in my opinion, you need to change the AK-630 to the AK-630M-2 Duet
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 30 October 2014 21: 22
          +4
          Quote: The Art of War
          Upper Corvette project 20385 from the bottom project 20380, PKRK "Uranus" X-35U

          project 20380 SCRC "Uranus" ...
          spruce

          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War 30 October 2014 21: 37
            +2
            hi Andrey I saw the video threw off?
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 30 October 2014 22: 02
              +1
              Quote: The Art of War
              I saw the video discarded?

              Alexander and to you hi where threw ???
          2. rumpeljschtizhen
            rumpeljschtizhen 30 October 2014 22: 09
            0
            when ours cease to paint the upper deck with a red man ............ looks idiotic
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 31 October 2014 01: 22
              +4
              Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
              when ours cease to paint the upper deck with a red man ............ looks idiotic

              This is not a redhead. This is teak paint. Well, if there is one on the base (TECH UPOR will give from its bounties) then usually it was painted green.
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 31 October 2014 18: 13
            +1
            and if in the know, then why is the deck painted red? hi
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 2 November 2014 10: 38
              +1
              Quote: silver_roman
              and if in the know, then why is the deck painted red?

              What would be better seen from the air.
    2. The Art of War
      The Art of War 30 October 2014 20: 01
      +1
      Upper Corvette project 20385 from the bottom project 20380, PKRK "Uranus" X-35U request recourse why they didn’t put the project 20285 on the corvette;
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 30 October 2014 20: 10
        +3
        At 20385, a full-fledged galley was made in place of the Uran missile launcher. At 20380 there is only a food heating point. And 8 X-35 and 8 UKSK will be bold, tea is not a frigate)
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War 30 October 2014 20: 13
          +2
          Not fat tongue , but quite normal.
          1. 73bor
            73bor 30 October 2014 20: 24
            +5
            These corvettes are already overloaded, on corvettes all over the world and half of it is not there ...
      2. ilya_oz
        ilya_oz 30 October 2014 20: 14
        +5
        There will be a Caliber instead of Uranus, and the number of Redoubt cells is increased.
  8. pavel1981
    pavel1981 30 October 2014 19: 31
    +5
    the main thing is more ships of this project, and more long-range surprises on them for our "sworn friends"
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 October 2014 20: 01
      +3
      Quote: pavel1981
      the main thing is more ships of this project, and more long-range surprises on them for our "sworn friends"

      Corvettes are good. But Russia already needs a fleet of the ocean zone. These are atomic cruisers and aircraft carriers. Otherwise, the pindocs will continue to host everywhere. request
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War 30 October 2014 20: 11
        +2
        So the Leader of the Leader project will be done with a nuclear installation, but an aircraft carrier would not hurt us 1 or 2 yes
        1. Ryndabul
          Ryndabul 30 October 2014 21: 13
          +5
          If you are talking about the "Leader" of Project 21956, then this is the class of destroyers (at least it is positioned that way).
      2. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 30 October 2014 20: 55
        +2
        But six or seven frigates to kill, then the aircraft carrier can be mastered - he will already have cover in the group.
      3. Sergei1982
        Sergei1982 30 October 2014 21: 11
        +4
        Kreisers and aircraft carriers can wait a little, as our president told us with his territory to understand, I am not an opponent of the ocean fleet, but now corvettes, frigates and submarines are really needed.
      4. Vasek
        Vasek 30 October 2014 22: 25
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        But Russia already needs a fleet of the ocean zone. These are atomic cruisers and aircraft carriers.

        smile It’s clear to you, in Valdai, they explained: the bear is not comfortable in other people's climatic zones, he would have to master his taiga. fellow
    2. indiggo
      indiggo 30 October 2014 22: 00
      0
      I will upset you the project is closed. have chosen a new 22160
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 30 October 2014 22: 14
        +5
        I will upset you the project is closed. have chosen a new 22160

        I will upset you; nobody has closed the line of ships of the project 20380 and is not going to. Next year they promise to lay down a new version of this corvette with the code 20386. As for 22160, this is generally from another opera. This ship is designed to patrol the economic zone, curb smuggling and to combat pirates. His autonomy is not bad - about 60 days, but from the armament only artillery and machine guns. A pinwheel is also there, but rather a search and rescue.
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 31 October 2014 02: 39
          +2
          They are in no way connected at all, the 2038x project is army-friendly, carries a sufficient amount of powerful weapons, while being cheap and versatile and imprisoned for the defense of the country's near waters from military surface and underwater targets of the enemy.
          Project 22160 relates to the FSB and its main purpose is to fight against co-smugglers and other violators armed with civilian vessels, therefore its main task is maximum speed, with low cost and modest armament ...
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 31 October 2014 01: 31
        +3
        Quote: indiggo
        I will upset you the project is closed. have chosen a new 22160

        But how does Em relate to the patrol ship? For tasks to be solved, at least, plz!
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 31 October 2014 09: 12
          +3
          Good day to you, dear Boa KAA (1) hi
          Sorry for delaying the answer, I was at work, so I will answer you here.
          According to the article about the successful launch of Bulava.
          You were right! About volley speech firing not carried out!
          The conversation was about a series of 5 rockets in a row. I’m guilty of giving false information and I apologize to you and our entire community !!!
          A good lesson for a cardboard marshal. From now on I will be more attentive!
          Yes, I have a request for you. If you are already addressing me, "Mister Marshal", could you replace this cutting my ears and my soul with the word "comrade"?
          Well, it’s ridiculous to God, as they say with my cloth snout and in the elite row.
          According to the marshals! I fully share your irony, divorced us, like dogs uncut. It's time to carry out mass demobilization or demotion to the rank and file!
          I don’t know if you will believe in my sincerity, but I am only FOR!
          Sincerely, Vladimir.
          1. Fin
            Fin 31 October 2014 11: 19
            +2
            Quote: Arberes
            According to the marshals! I fully share your irony, divorced us, like dogs uncut. It's time to carry out mass demobilization or demotion to the rank and file!

            In February, he sent suggestions to administrators on this subject, but so far, silence. Duplicate who agree to join.

            Dear administration of the site Military Review!
            The user of the site has become relatively recent. I like the site, I read published materials almost daily, if the topic interests me, I take part in the discussion. Recently, the forum began to ripple from the number of "highest" officers with emblems on shoulder straps. And when there is a lot of something or someone, sayings like “Wherever you spit in ...” or “Here these .... like pigs not cut” are recalled. In this case, we are talking about the top military leaders present at the forum with the military rank of “Marshal”. On the site, according to my calculations, there are about 30-40 of them, not including zeroed ones, and soon there will be many more. In the army, such a high rank is awarded for outstanding services to a small number of persons. Also the titles of “ensign” and “senior ensign” are undeservedly forgotten. I understand that on the site these ranks are symbolic, but, in my opinion, the difference between the ranks should be much larger.
            In connection with the foregoing, I propose to amend the conditions for the assignment of regular military ranks:
            - Corporal - 200
            - ml. sergeant - 500
            - sergeant - 1 000
            - senior sergeant - 1
            - foreman - 2
            - warrant officer - 3 000
            - Art. ensign - 4
            - ml. lieutenant - 8
            - lieutenant - 10 000
            - captain - 15 000
            - major - 20
            - lieutenant colonel - 30 000
            - Colonel - 50
            - major general - 100
            - lieutenant general - 200
            - Colonel General - 300
            - army general - 500
            - Marshal - 800 000
            PS: in no case did not want to offend anyone or call into question mental abilities, knowledge and experience.
            Regards, Fin.
    3. PYC75
      PYC75 1 November 2014 00: 21
      0
      The main thing is not to sell them as with EB N
  9. Eggor
    Eggor 30 October 2014 19: 32
    +15
    Photo of the ship (airbase.ru):





    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 30 October 2014 19: 44
      +2
      winked I wonder what weapons they will put on him fellow
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War 30 October 2014 19: 49
        +1
        On the sides it is necessary to place the ZRAK "Broadsword" both in the bow and in the Stern, it is also necessary to place the S-300FM in the bow of the ship
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 30 October 2014 19: 59
          +10
          There are broadswords. And with C-300F he will drown. This is a frigate. Moreover, even the Chinese have already evolved from huge drums, devouring a bunch of volume, to compact VPU.

          There will be a redoubt on the 32 cell. Only in contrast to the corvette 12 cells, which with grief in half receive the central control from Furke, which is not suitable for this complex. 22350 has 4 Polymenta canvases, which is very even on a world level.
          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War 30 October 2014 20: 07
            +1
            Yes Displacement not calculated with S-300FM
          2. Sultan Babai
            Sultan Babai 30 October 2014 22: 49
            +1
            S-300 missiles can be placed in the cells of the frigate's UVP, these are 48N6E missiles. technical capabilities of the frigate 32 such missiles. There is also infa that the frigate is able to take on board at least 16 more onyxes or calibers in overload, if you pay attention to the photo of the frigate around 16 cells of the UVP for onyx there are still incomprehensible "covers", but the infa has not been verified.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 31 October 2014 01: 34
          +3
          Quote: The Art of War
          it is necessary to put C-300FM in the bow of the ship

          No, shipbuilders will not agree: the load will not pass! The fort was generally intended for ships of 1 rank.
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    2. gispanec
      gispanec 30 October 2014 20: 11
      0
      Quote: EgGor
      Steamboat photo

      sorry, but minus the word STEAM ... in the know the difference ... the ship and the ship? ..
      1. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 30 October 2014 21: 19
        +6
        I heard the expression "... on our parahead ..." They, of course, said this with irony. I, naively, in a "conversation" with the boatswain about the cleanliness of my section of the deck with foolishness used this word - "parahead". In short, for a month I did not get out of the outfits for the galley. I still shudder at the memory ...
      2. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 1 November 2014 05: 48
        +2
        The crew members themselves call their ships steamships, especially with nuclear power plants, and especially submarines, because they are like a propulsion unit, a steam turbine, really steamers. Very often you can hear expressions such as "steamer such and such a tactical number" or "steamer or hull of such and such order", and only then this word began to be used colloquially in relation to their ships more widely. Himself said so for many years, therefore, dear gispanec, you need to know a little naval slang.

        The name of this ship is very worthy. In life, I was lucky enough to meet with Vladimir Afanasevich, he came to us for graduation, and he spoke quite closely with his son, Kasatonov Igor Vladimirovich, then still vice admiral, deputy commander of the Northern Fleet, when he served in the Northern Fleet, including with his family. These are very worthy and decent people, such maritime dynasties are a rarity, and the fact that the ship was called so is simply great.
  10. donavi49
    donavi49 30 October 2014 19: 32
    +14
    On November 7 Kasatonov’s grand descent, on November 7 Gorshkov leaves for the first exit.

    On November 7 the descent of Essen will be Chirkov.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 30 October 2014 19: 47
      +5
      Quote: donavi49
      On November 7 Kasatonov’s grand descent, on November 7 Gorshkov leaves for the first exit. On November 7 the descent of Essen will be Chirkov.


      Oh, so at least a couple of times a year - according to 3 frigate repeat
    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 30 October 2014 20: 44
      0
      I doubt that they will lower it on the 7 of the last day — you won’t do the HAK antenna in a week.
  11. Spike
    Spike 30 October 2014 19: 33
    +8
    Destroyed for 20 years, and we will build 40 ... crying Well done GDP !!! Respect !!! It’s never too late.
  12. propolsky
    propolsky 30 October 2014 19: 39
    +5
    Handsome men! Probably in the West, they did not think that they would still remember the "Day of November XNUMX" - the red day of the calendar!
  13. Korvin1000
    Korvin1000 30 October 2014 19: 46
    +1
    Now I would have to raise civil aviation. We need aircraft like AN-28 (with a height of up to 5000 m). There is no reason to jump with a parachute. The old ones are worn out, and the Czech L410 has become unavailable due to the euro, and I don’t want to feed the NATO
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 October 2014 19: 55
      +9
      Czech plant - bought by the Russians.

      Civil, you must choose either your own - but no one needs, not competitive and unprofitable. Or a hodgepodge - which can be sold, and if it is successful to collect even profit from the project to have a large one, even Watermelon and Boeing have long been scored on a national product and assembled from the most profitable, including Chinese and Indian components. Moreover, they give outsource aircraft kits, so every third A320 in the world with Russian structural elementsand Boeing gave the tails of all 777 / 737 / 787 to Chinese plants in Chengdu and Shenyang.

      By the way, many hated Superjet were sold to Belgium - they will replace the old BAe.
  14. Prussian
    Prussian 30 October 2014 19: 52
    -24
    The fleet is the theme of the Anglo-Saxons, they look at our attempts in shipbuilding, as at the monkey’s tweaks. We have an unbalanced heterogeneous fleet that is unable to operate in the open ocean. The apotheosis of all this, our untamed aircraft carrier and the tormented cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, whose air group can not perform any task inherent in an aircraft carrier, except for demonstration flights, but as a cruiser is clearly redundant.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 October 2014 20: 05
      +9
      Cross out the English, they have a defensh fleet and they are actively sawing. 6 air defense destroyers - which carry nothing but Aster30 from the missile. 12 Dukov (the frigate is more than mediocre, Margaret Thatcher herself signed the construction series). 1 UDC Ocean and 2 DKDV Albion.

      Under water, Trafalgar withdraws me from the fleet to Astyuda. 4 Vanguard - Strategic Nuclear Forces.

      The fleet is over.
      1. Prussian
        Prussian 30 October 2014 20: 18
        +3
        God bless them with the Angles, they have the Yankees. And we have no one but the army and navy.
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 30 October 2014 20: 15
      +4
      Quote: PRUSSAC
      The fleet is the theme of the Anglo-Saxons, they look at our attempts in shipbuilding, as at the monkey’s

      Yes, my friend would solder you in the fifth compartment of a goldfish for a week ... and then see what you can say about the attempts ... you are our handsome ...
    3. cayman gene
      cayman gene 30 October 2014 20: 40
      +6
      Quote: PRUSSAC
      The fleet is the theme of the Anglo-Saxons, they look at our attempts in shipbuilding, as at the monkey’s tweaks. We have an unbalanced heterogeneous fleet that is unable to operate in the open ocean. The apotheosis of all this, our untamed aircraft carrier and the tormented cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, whose air group can not perform any task inherent in an aircraft carrier, except for demonstration flights, but as a cruiser is clearly redundant.

      do not make any nonsense, it's about people like you, Ostap Bender said: “experts!” it is necessary to kill such experts.
      1. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 2 November 2014 17: 34
        0
        Are you ready to kill (!) A person only because he has his own opinion?
    4. Proud.
      Proud. 30 October 2014 21: 47
      +2
      Quote: PRUSSAC
      Fleet this Anglo-Saxon theme

      Well!? On this "topic", the Anglo-Saxons have long been summoned to the arrow, and on the murmurs they explained that the Britons no longer rule the seas. The Britoangles did not particularly object. They still have a fleet. But they do not rule THEME.
  15. The Art of War
    The Art of War 30 October 2014 20: 05
    +1
    Off topic I apologize to Vatnik wink http://ria.ru/world/20141030/1031017542.html Израиль отзывает посла из Швеции после признания Палестины
  16. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 30 October 2014 20: 16
    +2
    Good but not enough!
  17. Pro100 people
    Pro100 people 30 October 2014 20: 18
    +2
    Still to increase the number of shipyards.
  18. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 30 October 2014 20: 30
    +2
    Russia will confirm the title of "Great Maritime Power". And this is not done so that the adversary would write in his pants, but for the reliable protection of their borders and upholding their interests around the globe. Well, if the adversary gets pissed off, it's his problems ... wink
  19. Navy7981
    Navy7981 30 October 2014 20: 35
    +2
    Fleet forever! Beautiful ship!
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  21. colorado
    colorado 30 October 2014 20: 57
    +2
    elegant boat
  22. wanderer987
    wanderer987 30 October 2014 20: 58
    -2
    All this is of course good, but "damn" I don't understand even kill why "FreGad" to us that there are no Russian words left in the dictionary?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 30 October 2014 22: 18
      +1
      All this is of course good, but "damn" I don't understand even kill why "FreGad" to us that there are no Russian words left in the dictionary?


      If you want, you can call large patrol ship or patrol ship of the far sea zone. Well, in general, all claims to Peter the Great laughing
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 30 October 2014 22: 55
      0
      Frigate 1. Three-masted sailing warship, smaller than a battleship, but faster. 2. Frigates - this. birds of the order of copepods with long wings, live in the tropics. From myself I will say: in nature they are also called sea robbers, since they, being more agile, take prey from deadlocks and other birds.
      1. ius61
        ius61 31 October 2014 07: 45
        0
        the key part is taking prey from dead ends ...
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      3. wanderer987
        wanderer987 31 October 2014 08: 48
        0
        Then they would have called the "Big Sea Hunter"! Why is the name bad or has everyone forgotten about it?
        1. goose
          goose 31 October 2014 12: 32
          0
          Because there are a lot of letters, therefore, neither a large armored missile marine hunter of the far zone, nor an anti-submarine guard of the near sea zone will leave the cabinets.
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  23. clidon
    clidon 30 October 2014 20: 59
    +2
    Considering that destroyers and other cruisers have been postponed far "for later", such "Kasatonovs" will have to take on the brunt of the service ...
    1. TiGRoO
      TiGRoO 30 October 2014 22: 06
      +2
      Well, why then, here is the first destroyer in 16g. begin to build, and cruisers are upgraded type Atlant and Orlan. Another thing is that slowly, you need faster, but from our desires nothing (unfortunately) will change ...
      1. clidon
        clidon 1 November 2014 19: 09
        0
        The destroyers (commissioning) have already been postponed to the 20s and in the current financial situation it is not difficult to guess that this will not happen at all soon. The cruisers will be modernized to some extent, but three (or even two Atlanta) and a pair of Eagles will not do the weather.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 30 October 2014 22: 19
      +1
      Considering that destroyers and other cruisers have been postponed far "for later", such "Kasatonovs" will have to take on the brunt of the service ...

      If we take into account that Kasatonov carries 128 9M96D with a range of 150 km, then we will roll destroyers of other countries
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 30 October 2014 22: 31
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        Given that Kasatonov carries 128 9M96D with a range of 150 km ...

        Dear, either you messed up with a rocket, or with a range, decide !! And maybe with one and the other!
      2. clidon
        clidon 1 November 2014 20: 41
        0
        Kasatonov has 48 standard cells. Even by this parameter alone, he loses to modern destroyers.
  24. Gorjelin
    Gorjelin 30 October 2014 21: 06
    +1
    Still, a handsome ship. Our weapon is unusual, bewitchingly beautiful, everything is strict, clearly nothing superfluous, not like the eagles of a berka, in appearance - semi-finished products.
  25. Velesovich
    Velesovich 30 October 2014 21: 09
    +2
    Let's hope that serial ones will be built much faster than the main one. Many times faster. So far, a major update has begun only on the Black Sea, where 6 frigates 11356, 6 Varshavyanks and much more will go. But other fleets also need urgent replenishment, especially the Pacific Fleet, which suffered the most during the years of rampant democracy in the country. I'd like to believe that our shipbuilding will finally arrive at a sane date of construction and the Navy will not wait even for small corvettes of 5-8 years.
  26. wanderer987
    wanderer987 30 October 2014 21: 11
    0
    Quote: wanderer987
    All this is of course good, but "damn" I don't understand even kill why "FreGad" to us that there are no Russian words left in the dictionary?

    Well then, at least explain yourself for the minus ??? After all, I put the question essentially like this and will continue to look at the "West" ???
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 30 October 2014 23: 03
      +2
      I didn’t set cons, I just want to explain that if you speak Russian now, having canceled all the foreign words that came into our speech starting with Peter the Great, you’ll break your tongue trying to express your thought. And in the Navy, officers will generally be forced to shut up. Kingstones, lathes, gangways, admiral captain, boatswain, guis, course, tacks, cockpit, deck, bazaar. Continue or stop it?
      1. wanderer987
        wanderer987 30 October 2014 23: 12
        0
        About the terms I need to tell you, I have given KCHF 3 years + a serious wound with a comment for health reasons and 5 years for rehabilitation.
  27. Nayhas
    Nayhas 30 October 2014 21: 32
    +1
    The new frigate in its characteristics and combat properties surpasses the existing ships of its class

    As far as I understand, this is an axiom for the author? Despite the fact that "polyment-redoubt" still refers to the air-to-air missile system, and not to the target ship?
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 30 October 2014 22: 29
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      As far as I understand, this is an axiom for the author? Despite the fact that "polyment-redoubt" still refers to the air-to-air missile system, and not to the target ship?

      So there have not been trials yet.
      To me dream yellow lights
      And I wheeze in a dream:
      - Time, time, -
      Morning is wiser!
      But in the morning it's not like that
      Not that fun:
      Or smoke on an empty stomach
      Or drink with a hangover.

      In the taverns - a green damask,
      White napkins.
      Paradise for beggars and buffoons
      Well - like a bird in a cage!
      There is stench and twilight in the church
      The clerks smoke incense.
      No! And in the church it's not like that
      Everything is not as it should.

      I'm on a mountain in a hurry
      So that does not work out.
      And on the mountain stands an alder,
      And under the mountain cherry.
      If only I could slope with ivy,
      I would be glad
      If only something else ...
      Everything is not right!

      I then across the field, along the river.
      Light is darkness, there is no God!
      And in the open field of cornflowers,
      Long road.
      Along the road - a dense forest
      With the Babami Yagis
      And at the end of that road -
      Chopping block with axes.

      Somewhere the horses dance to the beat
      Reluctantly and smoothly.
      It's all wrong along the road
      And in the end - even more so.
      And neither the church nor the tavern -
      Nothing is holy!
      No guys it's not like that
      All wrong guys!
      Photo "Kirov" may be the last time we see the ship.
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 31 October 2014 00: 42
        +1
        soldier bravo for the verse.
        and "Kirov" .. will
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 31 October 2014 09: 28
          +1
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          and "Kirov" .. will

          Most likely only through the metamorphosis of life.
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 31 October 2014 06: 35
        0
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        But in the morning it's not like that
        Not that fun:
        Or smoke on an empty stomach
        Or drink with a hangover.

        Good morning ... Unfortunately morning every day ...
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 31 October 2014 09: 24
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          Or smoke on an empty stomach

          And good morning to you.
          You need to quit smoking. Absolutely useless activity.
          I have the right to affirm.
  28. Hera7
    Hera7 30 October 2014 21: 41
    +4
    For Putin Putin respect builders and designers!
  29. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 30 October 2014 21: 48
    +2
    Never a sailor, but it’s immediately obvious, not a simple boat. I hope the sailors there will not be easy !!!
  30. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 30 October 2014 22: 05
    0
    We will help everyone and die, huh?
    1. Mih
      Mih 30 October 2014 22: 45
      +1
      We will help everyone and die, huh?

      Waltz, the eternal waltz we dance in the arms of death ... That's right soldier
  31. Mih
    Mih 30 October 2014 22: 43
    +2
    Quote: herruvim
    In history, nothing changes

    Ah, how handsome he is in Russian uniform! Emperor !!!!
  32. Mih
    Mih 30 October 2014 22: 49
    0
    Quote: Алексей_К
    All Russian media watch this video.

    Unfortunately I did not see what I'm sorry love
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  34. Mih
    Mih 30 October 2014 22: 53
    0
    why "freGad"

    So this is a tradition. Traditions in the Navy - holy to ... And without tradition, discipline will wither! love
  35. Drunya
    Drunya 30 October 2014 23: 08
    +2
    About the search for a Russian submarine in the waters of Sweden # translated by Andrei Bocharov
  36. NEXUS
    NEXUS 30 October 2014 23: 21
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    Well, yes, I wrote the key phrase: "combat units of the fleet" that is, AUG (Aircraft Carrier Strike Group) Includes a nuclear aircraft carrier, a nuclear missile cruiser (such as "Peter the Great", or "Moscow", "Varyag", in general, a heavy missile cruiser), escort destroyers, and submarines. Deck aircraft greatly increases the combat stability of a compound in the oceanic zone, among other things.

    I don’t agree with you ... RUSSIAN Aircraft carriers DO NOT NEED! I will explain why ... firstly, we won’t keep up with the amers anyway (in the USA from 10 to 12 AUG), this is ... second, the cost of these ships such that for this money it is possible to build from two to four Orlanes say (I am silent about corvettes and destroyers in general) ... thirdly, the AOG in its tasks and use is primarily an attack weapon and not a defense weapon, which at the same time is a political weapon of pressure (again in the policy of the aggressor). But is Russia going to wage colonial wars? Next time, which is needed It’s huge for the construction of such huge, and most importantly! In addition, the maintenance of such platforms is not a cheap pleasure ... And therefore I think that our kulibin need to throw all the power of their thoughts into the development of systems, both surface and underwater, flying and not only in the atmosphere for countering and destroying such carrier groups with a non-nuclear component ...
    1. Wednesday
      Wednesday 31 October 2014 05: 53
      +1
      You are absolutely right! As never before, it is worth listening to the opinion of the "old school" admiralty, and even a schoolboy of that time - A. - knew it - a weapon of aggression and has no fundamental advantages in the fight against our glorious Navy! In the conditions of the complete collapse of the fleet, it remains only to grit your teeth and: "but we do not care ..."
      The simplest remedy is the surest - the "sledgehammer" is heavier, and - crossing!
  37. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 30 October 2014 23: 25
    +1
    I do not understand! I don’t understand why WE need these frog boxes !? It’s clear that they bought the former for a rollback ... They don’t even sit! ... But there are also a staff of thousands of officials who have not done anything for our military leader and are on the full payroll! There’s no talk of wages-official = 100 and more (this is nonsense) !. It's about our fighting efficiency! Hyun with them - with officials. God will tell them or their children!
  38. s30461
    s30461 30 October 2014 23: 31
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Vl.
    Yes, today is the first time Shipbuilder's day! Happy holiday, colleagues!

    A worthy salary should be the best gift for shipbuilders !!!
    Give them orders and money - they will do everything so that the news of the launch of a new modern ship becomes not a sensation, but a routine! But while liberals are in power, these are just dreams ...
  39. Bassman
    Bassman 30 October 2014 23: 34
    +2
    The news is certainly good, but it will not be possible to commission the entire series on time. The engines were installed on only two ships - "Gorshkov" and "Kasatonov", and three engines on Project 11356, as they are produced in Nikolaev.
    1. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey 30 October 2014 23: 41
      +1
      Yes, the Ukrainians set up, although they were to blame, they had to think about their engines in advance.
  40. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 30 October 2014 23: 35
    +1
    Good news! Very good!!!
  41. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 October 2014 00: 16
    +1
    Recently, well, I just want to live!
    Very, very good news !!!
  42. IAlex
    IAlex 31 October 2014 02: 51
    +1
    I always believed that the ships were built too small, as time showed, I was not mistaken, it was necessary at least 3000 tons. The dagger, which could fire at both coastal targets and a bunch of planes and missiles, was replaced with a Redoubt with only 12 missiles (i.e. guaranteed for 6 targets in total), and immediately the Dirk for close combat and Redoubt was no longer put, and even Caliber only 8 pieces, because it no longer fits due to size. In a word, sadness, but it pleases that they have already been built quite a lot ... wink
  43. Semenov
    Semenov 31 October 2014 06: 32
    0
    Krasava, not a ship. And new ships are being commissioned more and more often.
  44. Wolka
    Wolka 31 October 2014 06: 35
    0
    if you believe the picture, then the boat is really handsome ...
  45. Crang
    Crang 31 October 2014 08: 40
    +1
    Cool ship this frigate "Kasatonov". The handsome 130 meters long is already a real ocean warship. The number of missiles on board can reach 512 pieces, which is more than even that of the Aviation Admiral Kuznekov. The side is high, heaped up according to the steahls technology. Cool.
  46. Prager
    Prager 31 October 2014 10: 42
    0
    Not a ship, but a proud bird! Well done, shipbuilders!
  47. goose
    goose 31 October 2014 12: 34
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Considering that destroyers and other cruisers have been postponed far "for later", such "Kasatonovs" will have to take on the brunt of the service ...

    If we take into account that Kasatonov carries 128 9M96D with a range of 150 km, then we will roll destroyers of other countries

    Their range is about 45-50, optimal. And those that do not fit into 150 in size, the ammunition is limited, there will be 6-8 pieces.
    For all tasks except PLO, this vessel will be equal to the whole flotilla of corvettes.
  48. AREOPAG23
    AREOPAG23 31 October 2014 12: 36
    -1
    there would be 12 such frigates per fleet
  49. Crang
    Crang 31 October 2014 15: 46
    0
    Quote: AREOPAG23
    there would be 12 such frigates per fleet

    Yeah. With such a fleet, we will kill everyone. US obsess with us compete.
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    0
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