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November 1 - the day of the suicide of the Ukrainian economy?

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November 1 - the day of the suicide of the Ukrainian economy?


Finally, the situation regarding the Ukrainian-European Association Agreement was finally clarified. In an interview with “1 + 1”, Petro Poroshenko clearly stated that “After ratification, the Agreement enters into force - from November 1 in full ... No exceptions, no delays. None of this will be. As a result of negotiations in Brussels, we have the right to protect our market. It was a gesture of our European partners. ”

However, it is difficult to call this solution a surprise. He made a similar statement during a press conference with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso back in September. Then Poroshenko said that “From November 1, 2014 this agreement will enter into force. I think it will be historical afternoon for Ukraine and the EU. Prior to this, I hope that bills on combating corruption, in particular on the Anti-Corruption Bureau, will be adopted. "

The most interesting thing in a recent statement by the Ukrainian president is not that the Agreement will enter into force on November 1, but that it will enter into force in full. Full volume means that a free trade zone between Ukraine and the EU will start operating from 1 in November. But more recently, the implementation of the agreement on the creation of a free trade zone was postponed until January 1, 2016. This decision was made on the basis of agreements between Ukraine, the European Union and Russia. And then it suddenly became clear that these agreements were severed by Kiev and “no delay, nothing will happen.”

It is difficult to understand why such a sharp reversal of the previously agreed position occurred. It can be assumed that against the background of unyielding Yatsenyuk, with its tough anti-Russian rhetoric and sudden success in parliamentary elections (which evil languages ​​attribute to the efforts of the American embassy), Poroshenko fears to look too pro-Russian. At present, this is fraught with negative consequences for any political career. Perhaps this is where the desire of the Ukrainian president to look no less anti-Russian than in this sense looks like the Ukrainian prime minister.

In a word - to be a free trade zone with the EU!

What are the possible consequences of this, as the President said, of the “historical day for Ukraine and the EU”?

It is no secret that Russia prepared for this “historical day” in advance. September 19 Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a document on the introduction of customs duties on Ukrainian goods. However, its entry into force was to occur only after Ukraine began to apply the economic articles of the Association Agreement with the EU. Initially it was assumed that this would happen no earlier than 1 in January 2016. But now it becomes clear that the Russian market will close for Ukraine already 1 November 2014 of the year.

In this regard, Moscow, through the press secretary of the Russian president, said that “Russia proceeds from the agreements that were reached at the trilateral negotiations, while maintaining its position. Russia is committed to these agreements, but is ready to take retaliatory measures if this (the full entry into force of the agreement) occurs in violation of previously reached agreements. ”

The “retaliatory measures” mentioned are fees for 144 types of Ukrainian goods.

The logic of Moscow is extremely simple. The free trade zone with the EU provides for the introduction of EU trade policy rules on the territory of Ukraine. This means that Kiev, in particular, will have to open its internal market for European goods. As a result, uncompetitive Ukrainian goods, together with European (under the guise of Ukrainian), will flood the Russian domestic market, bypassing the existing customs regulations and prohibitions. To prevent this from happening, Moscow will automatically begin to defend itself by increasing customs requirements for imports and imposing duties.

“Due to Ukraine’s zeroing of duties on imports from the EU, obviously, there will be a significant increase in the supply of European goods to the Ukrainian market. We understand our European partners, who actually and now have already mastered the Ukrainian market. They want to get everything that is still there, and push out all the rest. And, moreover, less competitive Ukrainian products will be crowded out from the Ukrainian market itself. Where? First of all to Russia. And to other countries of the Customs Union, but above all to us. The risk of illegal re-export of products of the EU countries under the guise of Ukrainian goods to the market of the Customs Union cannot be disregarded either. ”- said the President of the Russian Federation.

In this situation, Russia "can not be inactive," Putin added. According to him, Moscow will be forced to take retaliatory measures in order to protect its market - to introduce a standard trade regime for Ukraine, that is, to increase duties and strengthen customs inspection.

It can be assumed that Petro Poroshenko decided to lose the Russian market due to the fact that the European Union made him an extremely tempting offer that could compensate for trade and financial losses due to the refusal of duty-free trade with the Russian Federation and the CU countries.

Obviously, this is precisely why the Ukrainian president declared that he decided to break the previously reached agreements because “We got access to the European market and kept our positions. The text of the agreement without a single drop of changes signed and enters into force. "

And this is probably the most mysterious thing that the Ukrainian president could say. After all, it is completely incomprehensible how Ukraine could “maintain its position” without “a single drop of changes” in the text of the Agreement. It is no secret that it is the very standard Association Agreement with the EU that is extremely disadvantageous for Ukraine. And so that our country can protect its domestic market and smooth out financial losses, it is necessary to make changes in it, adapting it to Ukrainian realities and interests.

But, as the President proudly stated, not a single drop of changes was made to the text of the Agreement.

In general, it turns out that Ukraine inevitably loses the Russian market, and the European market will not open for it soon. If ever it opens.

The fact is that only a few dozen Ukrainian exporters of raw materials and semi-finished products are ready for the requirements and standards of the European market. The rest will have to receive certificates and licenses confirming the compliance of their products with European standards. Obtaining such certificates is a very long process, and for most Ukrainian enterprises it is impossible. First of all, this is due to the fact that the production of goods according to European standards involves a radical restructuring and modernization of production under European standards. And this requires hundreds of billions of euros of investment throughout Ukraine.

It is clear that no one promises this investment. And Ukraine itself has no funds even for the current servicing of foreign debt. In fact, the country is bankrupt.

In addition, the situation is complicated by the fact that in Ukraine it will be difficult to sell goods that do not meet European standards. Therefore, the majority of Ukrainian manufacturers will lose not only the Russian market, but also their own domestic. Their products should be "substandard" with November 1. Moreover, other traditional Ukrainian markets of foreign markets are a big question from 1 November. Indeed, after the introduction of the Association Agreement, every foreign buyer has the right to demand from any Ukrainian exporter a certificate of the European standard for the products they sell. And now there are a lot of Ukrainian companies that are ready to produce such a certificate?

In general, 1 in November can be a fatal line, overcoming which the remnants of the Ukrainian economy will sink into oblivion. But what can not be done for the sake of association with the EU.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 31 October 2014 07: 27
    +15
    Poroshenko sweets, rush to European markets! Sweeten the pill, so to speak! laughing
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 31 October 2014 07: 34
      +6
      Candy Poroshenko

      Actually, the process of selling his Roshen is almost complete, he seems to have only a share. And sweets are still imported to Russia. That's so vota.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 31 October 2014 08: 20
        +6
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        And sweets are still imported to Russia. That's so vota.

        So they are produced on the territory of the Russian Federation, there is no need to import it yet! request
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        In fact, the process of selling his Roshen is almost complete

        Yeah, since the summer he has been selling everything, but he can’t sell it at all! wink
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        he seems to have only a share.

        Eh a fraction of a share and bitter chocolate tears rolled down the face of the Powder! laughing
        Here is such a share ... fellow
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 31 October 2014 14: 48
          0
          So they are made on the territory of the Russian Federation

          I did not know, however!
          Yeah, since the summer he has been selling everything, but he can’t sell it at all!

          Well so not a pack of cigarettes smile
          1. Drednout
            Drednout 31 October 2014 16: 52
            +1
            Well, type of economy is now agrarian in Ukraine? Type kirdyk them? What is the article about?
            Well, cheap goods from Europe will flood, well, they will not be able (not a fact) to sell something because of standards? Are these people dancing under the media? Who will check the standards? It would be better if you care about your economy! Hot in EU - good riddance! I personally am neither cold nor hot, is there a nemiroth in the liquor store or not. Ketchup and Baltic are not bad. Without Ukrainian beer, I certainly will not die out.
            But the fact that our production is also in w ... who will restore it?
            Volodin will appear in front of the cameras, but it will be promoted with a macaroni, but in fact?
            Not tired of procrastinating the economy ukrov?
            That will freeze, then bend, then again maidan. So what?
            1. Cristall
              Cristall 31 October 2014 18: 28
              0
              Quote: Drednout
              Not tired of procrastinating the economy ukrov?

              the theme of Ukraine for the media is gold. You can write off everything and distract all Russians from pressing problems.
              Kind of - "but it's worse in the same place"
              Slavic mentality.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 31 October 2014 07: 51
      +14
      When a year ago an advertising orgy in the media began in Ukraine about the "benefits" of association with the EU, the main topic in the news about the readiness of Ukrainian products to storm the EU markets was the Nasha Ryaba food concern. In other words, Ukrainian chicken in the form of Ryaba's products corresponds to the technical EU regulations. Even then, it became sad and offensive that Ukraine, which was proudly written in the textbooks of the 90s, where there is: machine building, shipbuilding, chemical and metallurgical industry, mining and aircraft rocketry, is capable of exporting only ordinary chicken. No cars, no planes. nor anything else. Looking at these shots, it is clear that they sank and sagged below Romania and Moldova. Well, how can you not become a Ukrainophobe and not be disappointed in the ability of this community to create a semblance of a state with working institutions? Therefore, for a long time I could not understand why, even on this site "Military Review", there are people under nicknames such as: Akim, Crystal and Kars, hold on to and defend the Ukraine project? After all, they were not born in 1998 and rode on the Maidan as teenagers, after all, they found those times, and not even the Ukrainian SSR, when the same patriots shouted that Ukraine, in its own way, was a "Second France". So you just want to poke your nose especially Kristal and Akim into these shots, do you like the image of such a farmer exporting country ?:

      1. Cristall
        Cristall 31 October 2014 09: 16
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Therefore, for a long time I could not understand why, even on this website "Voennoye Obozreniye", people under nicknames such as Akim, Kristal and Kars stick to and defend the "Ukraine" project? After all, they were not born in 1998 and rode on the Maidan as teenagers, after all, they found those times, and not even the Ukrainian SSR, when the same patriots shouted that Ukraine, in its own way, was a "Second France". So you just want to poke your nose especially Kristal and Akim into these shots, do you like the image of such a farmer exporting country ?:

        Ukraine is our homeland! Nobody needs us without the Motherland.
        And here Maidan - no one rode on it and everyone was perfectly aware of why and who started it. But being sober, we talked about the pros and cons, and not blindly believed only one side.
        in 1991 I was not enough years that I didn’t even understand why the ship models suddenly disappeared (I collected them a couple of years and then only in the collector’s)
        Poke your nose in a commercial? Well, poke - poultry farms also need to be developed.
        I’m also glad that we don’t import chicken meat. Our pockmark is not bad - Gavrilovskie too.
        I do not see any reproaches here. They knew perfectly well that the EU is for the agro-industrial complex. TS is for the industry of SE and then not all.
        You demanded to decide - well, maydanutye decided. In addition, having "bought" Janus, no one began to defend him, and the EU on the Maidan was defended by all representatives of the "world society"
        The ideal option was not to enter anywhere at all. as it turned out. It is now an ideal position for export / import (with quotas and other things). Still, to reduce the Chinese influx through the Odessa port .. Yes to build new terminals - yes, normal transit roads.
        With industry tight. Odessa is not so dependent on the Russian Federation as the Donbass.
        For us, Ukraine is not a "project" but RODINA. a small part of our homeland in the form of the USSR / Ukrainian SSR. Only here the Russian Federation is not the USSR. And only a part.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 31 October 2014 14: 48
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          For us, Ukraine is not a "project" but RODINA. a small part of our homeland in the form of the USSR / Ukrainian SSR.

          + good fellow
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 31 October 2014 10: 58
        -5
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Therefore, for a long time I could not understand why, even on this website "Voennoye Obozreniye", people under nicknames such as Akim, Kristal and Kars stick to and defend the "Ukraine" project?
        I wonder why it is not surprising that after the 1917 revolution of the year, a fairly significant part of the officers went to serve the Bolsheviks ?!
        Recall that when the allies climbed to occupy Russia, many tsarist officers went to serve the Bolsheviks. And Brusilov even made an appeal, published in Pravda, which contained a proposal to convene a meeting "from people of combat and life experience" to take measures against foreign invasion. "
        Since he understood that “at this critical historical moment,” the appeal said, “we, your elder comrades, appeal to your feelings of love and devotion to the Motherland and urge you to forget all insults, whoever and wherever they didn’t inflict any damage on you, and voluntarily go with complete selflessness and hunt to the Red Army, to the front or to the rear, wherever the government of the Soviet Worker-Peasant Russia appoints you, and to serve there not for fear, but for conscience, so that you can serve with your honest service without sparing life defend by all means dear to us Russia and to prevent her plunder, for in the latter case, it can irrevocably disappear, and then our descendants will justly curse us and correctly blame us for the fact that because of the egoistic feelings of the class struggle we did not use our fighting knowledge and experience, we forgot our native Russian people and ruined our mother- Russia».
        It has already been said here that the average age in the ZSU is about 30 years. Those. these are accomplished men with an already established worldview and a stable psyche, with their own point of view on current events. And, therefore, these are clearly not "zombified" guys, but people who clearly understand what the Motherland is. And the Motherland must be defended, that's why it is called the Motherland.
        And the homeland is ugly, but it is the homeland.
        And their homeland, in this case, Ukraine.
        As for Kars and Crystal, they are clearly neutral. As for Akim, he acted like a true patriot of his country. The fact that he is Greek by nationality gives particular significance to his actions. At least for this reason, he had the opportunity to "jump off" with the justification that "this is not my war" .. But, there is such a profession to defend the homeland ..
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 31 October 2014 11: 44
          +14
          Alibekulu

          What always touched me is when you press our liberals and nationalists to the nail, they appeal to the history of the USSR and even its achievements in cinema and science in order to somehow save their ideological position at a standstill. You rightly pointed to age
          that the average age in ZSU is about 30 years
          , and suggest that we cynically and silently accept the fucking fact that a whole generation of ethnic Russian and Russian-speaking Greeks, Ukrainians, Germans, etc., who have always been part of our Great Fatherland - Russia (the Russian Empire, USSR), has been stolen from us . Moreover, this is not about culture, race and nationality, which was not in the framework of the Great Russian Plain. (Kazakhs, Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc.) And therefore, I, like you, dear defender of the Janissaries who do not remember their kinship, appeal to the lines that you quoted above. For the position of the people you defend has led to the fact that now everything is being destroyed there, which is connected with Russia and the USSR. And these shots of the Soviet film, which you cited as an example, are banned a priori in Ukraine. Yes, and that generation did not look at them, now that barbarians are destroying monuments. You have no conscience, but with our heroes and exploits, to poke us in the nose, that we are protecting our space, that these heroes and their exploits have left us, justifying those who kill and burn those who disagree with the coup and the new course of power.

          As for the Akim, he acted as a true patriot of his country. Of particular importance to his actions is the fact that he is Greek by nationality.


          And these words are on your conscience. Tell people in Mariupol, where there are many Azov Greeks who were shot at 9 in May as a dash !!!! Tell the multinational people in Donetsk, who are now under shelling, and who do not want to forget Soviet films, her films, classics and just the Soviet era, which you poke them in reproach and are banned in Ukraine and killed for protection. Wanted to argue? Give an example in Ukrainian films about patriotism and statehood. Oh my God, they aren’t ?! Even just stupid films. And why? Maybe because Ukraine is a classic failed state?
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 31 October 2014 13: 34
            -18
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            And these words are on your conscience. Tell people in Mariupol, where there are many Azov Greeks who were shot at 9 in May as a dash !!!!
            You worry about yours.
            And your arguments are similar, "And you lynch blacks."
            For some reason, for 23 years, no one was burned or shot in Ukraine. And the "big blood" flowed only after "Crimea is ours" ..
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Maybe because Ukraine is a classic failed state?
            Here, just the events of the "Russian Spring" showed the stability of Ukraine as a state. In fact, the idea of ​​"Novorossiya" has failed successfully. In addition to the stub called "Lugandon", and that one survived only thanks to "Voentorg". Where is Nikolaev, Kharkov, Odessa and other areas of eastern Ukraine, which was outlined in the maps of "Novorossiya"?
            You rightly pointed to age
            I pointed out that these are not youngsters who are prone to "zombie".
            By the way, it has been mentioned more than once that "Afghans" are actively involved in the ZSU. That also the Janissaries who do not remember their kinship ?! In the end, the ZSU soldiers took the oath. And they act strictly in accordance with it.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            and you suggest cynically and silently accept the fucking fact that a whole generation of ethnic Russian and Russian-speaking Greeks, Ukrainians, Germans, etc., who have always been part of our Great Fatherland - Russia (the Russian Empire, the USSR), has been stolen from us.
            How did it happen that they stole it?
            Probably because in modern Russian reality there is little that is good ..
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            then they appeal to the history of the USSR

            Why not? By what right have you / you usurped this right ..
            And these shots of the Soviet film, which you cited as an example, are banned a priori in Ukraine.
            Really? Yes, I see that just the opposite. For instance
            1. IAlex
              IAlex 31 October 2014 13: 47
              +6
              Comrade, blood flowed long before CrimeaNash, even on the Maidan when representatives of foreign NGOs calling for a coup d'etat on the main square of the country threw out the legal president, and by the way, at that time no one wanted to secede, and there was no talk of any war, but only the requirement to leave the status of the Russian language and give the regions the right to manage the dough within the regions with the return of the part to the center ...
              T.ch. there is no need here with a cry of blame kats py comments to scribble ...
            2. their
              their 31 October 2014 14: 43
              0
              You do not represent the people of Kazakhstan, Kazakhs with such a worldview as you have units in the KZ, I think you are working for the Zionists, and this is clearly seen in your comments.

              I know that money was allocated for the info war in KZ, and I even know who.

              Russians, do not pay attention to some "Svidomo" Kazakhs, they are fake.
              1. Cristall
                Cristall 31 October 2014 19: 35
                0
                Quote: sus
                Russians, do not pay attention to some "Svidomo" Kazakhs, they are fake.

                it is strange if a person has a disagreement, then he is Svidomo.
                Somewhere I agree with him about the Russian spring. I’ll supplement it somewhere - with the fact that Ukraine fought (no matter what methods but fought), the Russian Federation fought little, mastered the Crimea. Maybe I was afraid maybe I didn’t want to.
                The idea of ​​Novorossiya really failed. Apparently that is why the movement "partisans" does not receive them. Soon they will be called terrorists for terrorists not in the media. And catch with all the people. But those who take revenge there on May 2 or others receive support (perhaps tacitly, but the anger did not pass on May 2)
                For "Lugandon" I will criticize - this is Lugansk. Our Lugansk. Our people are there as well as throughout Donbass.
                In general, a good opinion against the background of monotonous cheers of patriotic moods. And a hat. Opposing opinions are needed. You can agree, no. But go to the person is not worth it. Insults to humiliation are not needed.
            3. svd-xnumx
              svd-xnumx 31 October 2014 15: 28
              +1
              a poem on the subject of the "new Ukraine"
              Make up a story for a country
              Burning in a meaningless war.
              Where hatred ascended the royal throne
              And he wanders around the country like an elephant in a shop.
              Where moral changes every day
              And every sneeze is to blame!
              Make up the history of the country
              Where they rejoice at the caresses of Satan.
              Where the greedy and corrupt rich
              Change to bloody executioners.
              Where is the power for the right to have mercy and steal
              I’m even ready to attack myself!
              Where there are too many "necessary" words,
              And censored Russian dreams.
              Where so they want to stand in one row

              Bandera and the Colorado warrior.

              Make up the history of the country
              Where only buggers are not sinful.
              Where instead of God they make judgment
              And the Independence in the Underworld harness.
              Where the branch opened a successful hell
              And brought one standard to the eye,
              How will a crazy country live
              Where roots are cut even from a log,
              Where is the sorcerer named Maidan
              He took away the brains and emptied his pocket.
              Make up the history of the country
              The Nazis are in love with.
              Where the man of labor fell into disfavor.
              Zeke Heil! And you are held in high esteem, gentlemen.
              In disgrace, everyone who created something.
              Each pedestal has its own vandal.
              And the one who does not zealously sing the hymn,
              Castration for devotion will pass.
              Make up a story for a country
              Dreaming of returning Berlin to the wall,
              Bring Russia back to its hearth,
              And quarrel West and East.
              She doesn’t care that roses, that wormwood.
              Volyn massacre or Khatyn,
              Let your own people die
              But the Russians are sick of worries!
              Alexander Makarov (Nerastava)
            4. avg
              avg 31 October 2014 17: 03
              +3
              This is the very abomination - to sing "Goodbye boys" and burn for the St. George's ribbon. Destroy monuments to Soviet soldiers and perform "Victory Day" like a fagot Lyashko. This is the height of cynicism and betrayal. Yarosh, and he is more honest.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 31 October 2014 14: 54
          0
          Quote: Alibekulu
          As for the Akim, he acted as a true patriot of his country.

          But he (Akim), many forum users proposed to arrange a military coup and become black colonel and pinochet all rolled into one in Ukraine (if you search, you can even find the posts of many of those here in that discussion), I think the mess will continue until the army takes power into its own hands ...
          purely IMHO
        3. ing
          ing 31 October 2014 16: 51
          +3
          magnificently quoted, not only are the words correct and strong only the question of who they are protecting from and who attacked. After all, is a civil war not a defense of the homeland, but a defense of the worldview, as with this, in your opinion, is this a quote or is it a distortion?
        4. Spnsr
          Spnsr 31 October 2014 17: 30
          +2
          Quote: Alibekulu
          But the Motherland must be protected, therefore it is called the Motherland.
          And the homeland is ugly, but it is the homeland.

          I didn’t understand, according to your logic, to kill the citizens of their country, just because they do not consider themselves to be “Ukraine is a Europe”, and they look at life differently - is it patriotic?
          some kind of strange logic, if a person says that Europe is not patriotic, he must be killed ...
          and the loss of independence from Europe, or is it patriotic to be controlled by the State Department?
        5. Cristall
          Cristall 31 October 2014 18: 36
          +1
          Quote: Alibekulu
          As for Kars and Crystal, they are clearly neutral. As for Akim, he acted like a true patriot of his country. The fact that he is Greek by nationality gives particular significance to his actions. At least for this reason, he had the opportunity to "jump off" with the justification that "this is not my war" .. But, there is such a profession to defend the homeland ..

          As for me, the very purpose of staying in topics about Ukraine (my favorite topics is history, sieges and ships if that is) is counteracting the training manual (separation and inciting) Well, I’m conducting an information war a little, since I have a different opinion than the official one IN
          Kars on the tanks. But they get him there with politics too. He seems to be not involved in it at all.
          Akim is true - he, unlike us, is a man of work.
          He is also from Odessa, I often feel that in the beginning I was wrongly led to the information war. And he warned me.
          1. IAlex
            IAlex 31 October 2014 22: 08
            0
            Not in vain, you often make us happy with funny things from the other side ...
      3. IAlex
        IAlex 31 October 2014 13: 13
        +4
        I was still small, but I remember the phrase "Karbovanets smells like garlic and bacon, not like the Katz Apsky ruble."
        Then there was the era of great greed, when 87% of the population of the outskirts longed for secession from the RSFSR and other republics in order to receive their 50 million Karbovanets in the form of vouchers and live like in Europe, for the richest republic should live properly ...
        Actually, then they sucked and threw it and bought up all of Ukraine for $ 3 billion.
        And then the funny periods of self-restraint began, when did you have to find the extreme? And they found him, and now finding and will find, and they will always find a reason for the robbery, like everyone had been tyrilizing before that for 23 years.
        Actually, nothing has changed for so many years.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 31 October 2014 08: 17
      +9
      Yeah. So he's a good guy. Only pisses and deaf. Well, then trouble came - I started to fight sometimes. laughing It's all to the heap. In November, Ukraine should repay the first tranche of last year’s aid. Do you remember? And this is 3,2 yards, in addition to gas debt laughing
    5. Slavyanin
      Slavyanin 31 October 2014 10: 56
      +1
      And the Nazis will take them.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 31 October 2014 20: 09
        0
        2 Slavyanin, and whom are they and why are the Nazis and not the Nazis, or let's say nationalists? Do you know the difference in meanings in the meanings of these words?
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 1 November 2014 20: 59
          0
          Quote: 4-th Paradise
          or let's say nationalists?

          nationalists do not climb further than their territory, they understand themselves without going beyond territorial borders ...
          Does this wonderful aunt and her party interfere with something to you ???
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 31 October 2014 07: 28
    +12
    Here comes November 1, then we'll see how the leadership of the so-called Ukraine has moved its mind. But taking into account how faithfully the back of the thigh of the Phasington hosts licks, we can say with confidence that the wind is walking in the heads of Parashik and K. And they will do what they are told. And this is a sign if not slavery, then servility certainly smile hi
    1. Serge Mikhas
      Serge Mikhas 31 October 2014 08: 19
      +2
      Well ... "the old woman did not twitch for a long time in the high-voltage wires." The plan of the mattress to destroy Ukraine as a state is being carried out according to their schedule. Not only is the state, but the destruction of the population will now proceed uncontrollably.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 31 October 2014 09: 14
      +6
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Here comes November 1, then we'll see how the leadership of the so-called Ukraine has moved its mind

      First of all, I want to draw your attention to such a message in Versions ....
      The future people's deputies are preparing a coalition for Halloween
      "Popular Front", "Petro Poroshenko Bloc" and "Samopomich" will try to unite in the Rada

      Symbolically, isn't it? The Sabbath of wickedness begins!
      Well and more ...
      Kiev suffered a massive invasion of rats
      Rodents herds run around the city

      Actually rats at the markets and tents with edibles have always been, but in such quantities - no! And this is also a SIGN !!! They are different rats, you know ... Immediately reminds the old Soviet cartoon about Nils's Journey. It remains only to wait for him to take out the pipe and brought all these rats into the sea.
      Well, specifically on the article. The entry into force of the TOTAL Association Agreement automatically implies a return to the former owners of their property, although the media are silent about this. Do not think about the economy, you can pay with land for storage, at least. There will be many who wish now from both the Hungarians and the Poles ...
      1. avt
        avt 31 October 2014 10: 28
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        Actually, rats and markets with tents always had rats,

        laughing Not on the topic - Sobyanin removed the stalls from the streets, so the rats really stopped running around insolently during the day. But the coolest thing - on Cherkizovskaya, even with the presence of Cherkizon - the market opened a network called "Ivan San". So the flocks of stray dogs disappeared laughing and ducks on a pond near the church of Elijah the Prophet! Cherkizon was closed, tents too, though packs of dogs didn’t appear {it seems that not all Chinese moved to Lublin}. But ducks began to swim in the pond, and even with the young! laughing
  3. DV69
    DV69 31 October 2014 07: 30
    +4
    It seems that the current leadership of the territory, which many habitually call Ukraine, decided to finish off what was left on this very territory. And together with the people.
    1. Starmos
      Starmos 31 October 2014 07: 40
      +4
      The way it is. I think that by the New Year, the whole "territory" will be overwhelmed by such chaos that the last Maidan and "atoms" will seem like childish pranks.
  4. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 31 October 2014 07: 33
    +5
    But how gloriously jumped! About thirty years you can remember!
  5. shishakova
    shishakova 31 October 2014 07: 33
    +4
    After reading this article and many others, it seems that Poroshenko’s actions do not obey the logic of the ruler of the country, but look like some kind of cunning fraudulent provocations.
    1. wolf7
      wolf7 31 October 2014 08: 53
      +3
      At the feeding trough, passion is like a hunt, and provocation is itself.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 October 2014 07: 34
    +2
    Well, yes, as they say in Odessa. The struggle in the Rada between Piglet and Rabbit of all dill comes around. They fight not for life, but for power, and this is much more important than life. Rabbit, IMHO, will win. He is younger. And he will build a wall, in passing, taking everything from Piglet to the last thread.
  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 31 October 2014 07: 36
    +2
    From the very first of November, Europe will tear off all Ukrainian goods with its hands and pay fucking prices for them, so that Hohland will have to eat and use its own goods or negotiate supplies with some sort of Yumba Tumba tribe,
    1. Cosmos1987
      Cosmos1987 31 October 2014 07: 50
      +4
      Europe will buy Hohlak products, just like we will take goods from the Mumba tribe. For Europeans, HHL savages. There is no point in the fact that Europe has opened borders, no one will take anything. Glory to the dumbhead, dying glory !!!
  8. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 31 October 2014 07: 38
    +5
    The gas agreement has been signed, and now it’s possible to show off. The same stupid Russia fulfills the agreement. Ukraine does not have to do this. Forgive, not the first time.
    1. DV69
      DV69 31 October 2014 07: 47
      +5
      Quote: Michael m
      The gas agreement has been signed, and now it’s possible to show off. The same stupid Russia fulfills the agreement. Ukraine does not have to do this. Forgive, not the first time.


      Have you listened carefully about the agreements, in the sense that gas will be supplied only after prepayment?
      Let this time Ukraine try not to fulfill the agreement.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 31 October 2014 08: 36
        +3
        A debt payment will be partial, however. But the bottom line is that Ukraine easily and unconditionally refuses the already signed agreements.
        But just recently, the implementation of the agreement regarding the creation of a free trade zone was postponed until January 1, 2016. This decision was made on the basis of agreements between Ukraine, the European Union and Russia. And then it suddenly became clear that these agreements were torn apart by Kiev and "there will be no delays, there will be nothing of this."
  9. Denis
    Denis 31 October 2014 07: 39
    +8
    Petro Poroshenko decided to lose the Russian market due to the fact that the European Union made him an extremely attractive offer that could compensate for trade and financial losses due to the refusal of duty-free trade with the Russian Federation and the countries of the CU
    There is another opinion
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2014 07: 40
    +1
    No comments. Let them shoot. If only they didn’t miss ....
  11. Balamyt
    Balamyt 31 October 2014 07: 42
    +3
    Everything is as ordered. Well paid order! And not otherwise! As the saying goes, look for someone who benefits from it. And everything will become clear .... Beneficiaries are clearly not Ukrainians ...
    We’ll wait and see where this path leads them .....
  12. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 31 October 2014 07: 44
    +3
    There was an economically developed industrial Ukrainian SSR, and now there will be a withered CE European Yaytsenyukhshchina, without a normal economy, without normal agriculture (there was an all-Union granary) in general Yaytsenyukhushchina.
  13. vlade99
    vlade99 31 October 2014 07: 45
    +1
    Russian troops in Ukraine? Meaning? They themselves will be killed. (or parashenka current FSB officer)
  14. Bronik
    Bronik 31 October 2014 07: 45
    +1
    But the guys do not know ... Here are new products, with prices several times more expensive, will be pleased.
  15. Abbra
    Abbra 31 October 2014 07: 55
    +3
    ... Listen to my son, a terrible tale about how Ukrainian goods were broken into Europe, amazed and flooded ....
  16. Quantum
    Quantum 31 October 2014 07: 55
    +1
    Dill is already falling apart. Before its fall into the abyss, a couple remain
    months.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 31 October 2014 09: 22
      0
      Quote: Quantum
      Dill is already falling apart. Before its fall into the abyss, a couple remain
      months

      Exactly! It is not for nothing that Poroshenko made himself three m-ya of free "reign", for the Verkhovna Rada will meet only in February. And before that, he will drive this ...
      At the same time - Poroshenko has bent more to Europe, and the United States "rotting him" because of which he comes out with boiling water. But Yatsenyuk is purely amerovsky. It is not in vain that he "won" the elections and is building his own coalition. And then there are riots in the ATO zone, in the sense that yes, guys are going to Kiev, tk. there is nothing to eat and drink, and there are no cartridges. So Poroshenko made his move. However, this will not help him!
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 31 October 2014 16: 54
      0
      something long she falls! and it won’t fall! it’s just a small box that opens: our gas agreement was signed again, but where is the money, Zin? these are not my words, this is the GDP said in his speech at Valdai-2014! so once again I repeat as a mantra: the Medvedev government is resigned!
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  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 October 2014 07: 56
    +1
    Well, tomorrow, November 1 (looked at the calendar), yes, tomorrow. That is, from Monday or after the holidays, we must read the news about how famously wrapped up at the border of Ukrainian producers of products. Industry will fall in any way, agriculture will be reduced to the level of the country's self-sufficiency. Although of course there is an option. For cheap buy up hohloproduktov and drive to New Russia. Really cheap, at cost, I would say.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 October 2014 07: 59
    +3
    November 1 can be a fatal trait, stepping over which the remains of the Ukrainian economy will sink into oblivion. But what cannot be done for the sake of association with the EU.

    It's time to forget about the country that used to be called Ukraine. Now it is an anti-Russian nursery on fertilizers of the United States and geyropa. Nobody will lend anything to ukropia for beautiful words. Survive as you can, because you are Europe.
  20. Noki51177
    Noki51177 31 October 2014 07: 59
    0
    Прикол: https://fbcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/934859_7125808488
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    __gda__=1424367828_ae32175ac74de9cd2e2054535ed3670b
  21. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 31 October 2014 08: 03
    +3
    from the Don.
    Yes, Natsik nevermind what will happen! They already have weapons, and this is a dictate for the rest. The first to the dump are pensioners, patients, children. The geyropa will establish quotas for crossing borders, and will be pulled by svidomye to Russia. Here you must also remember this.
  22. MolGro
    MolGro 31 October 2014 08: 09
    +11
    I kept thinking what was happening in Ukraine, so I found a map and it all became clear the closer Europe the worse the brains
    1. kompotnenado
      kompotnenado 31 October 2014 13: 26
      +1
      Iodine deficiency, however.
  23. Turk
    Turk 31 October 2014 08: 14
    +2
    Quote: bronik
    But the guys do not know ... Here are new products, with prices several times more expensive, will be pleased.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 31 October 2014 09: 55
      0
      Quote: turk
      Quote: bronik
      But the guys do not know ... Here are new products, with prices several times more expensive, will be pleased.

      Bread with Janus is 4-60 minutes 5 35 (although the Odessa loaf wants 30 kopecks more but the rest sells for 5-39) This is a loaf of white bread (the most popular) Dining.
      Medication. it’s incorrect as 127 - for example, citramone rose by only 20%, rose by 30% with the dollar, respectively. Perhaps there are drugs that are 100% up, but a total of 127% is an incorrect figure.
      Gas for whom? For the population and a half times. I agree the first hit.
      Food basket. in fact, food went up (and not all) from 5% to 30% with the dollar, respectively
      not a single product has even risen in price by 50%. In general, for Ukraine, if not for the price of gasoline, food would remain the same as under Janus. Wait for gas to go down; there is a chance that prices will drop or slow down.
      Social payments - it's hard to say what exactly. A wide range can be argued but the figure is 63 from the ceiling.
      And finally, the hryvnia. It's hard to lie here. We take the Internet and look at the hryvnia
      Exchange rates of the NBU on 29.11.2013
      UAH 799,3000 for $ 100;
      UAH 1086,4086. for 100 euros;
      2,4124 UAH. for 10 rubles. RF

      The course for today, 31.10.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX:
      1295.2788 UAH for 100 USD

      61,7% after exactly one year.
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 31 October 2014 17: 00
        0
        interesting, but in the stalls you can buy dollars or eureka? otherwise they write that there is no cash in the exchangers, or is it from the same area that we have Internet coupons?
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 31 October 2014 19: 56
          0
          Quote: Viktor Demchenko
          interesting, but in the stalls you can buy dollars or eureka? otherwise they write that there is no cash in the exchangers, or is it from the same area that we have Internet coupons?

          with currency problems. There are places where you can. The Bank of Russia generally refuses to issue rubles immediately .. not like dollars .. Yes, and is played with the rate ..
          I learned about the joke with coupons on the Internet only from demotivators. In Odessa, they have no idea where such Ukrainian jokes come from in the Russian Federation. Yes, and pull on everyone - they say we think everything in the Internet on the cards in the Russian Federation. We almost always learn about such news from Russian sources. About Klitschko too.
  24. Andrea
    Andrea 31 October 2014 08: 16
    +1
    As they say, what they fought for, they ran into it. Poroshenko can say a lot of things, he, like everyone from his company, is not responsible for the "bazaar". But the EEC, I think, will fulfill the contract. If not, the flag is in the hands of Ukraine "kerdyk" will come a year earlier.
    Ukraine is not Greece, the EEC will break its forehead about it.
  25. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 31 October 2014 08: 17
    +1
    A fair wind in the hunchback of the Ukrainian economy!
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 31 October 2014 08: 21
    -1
    Do not worry about Vukraintsev, a gas agreement has been signed.
  27. Coronel76
    Coronel76 31 October 2014 08: 26
    +2
    I read another article about the imminent collapse of Ukraine, but time goes on and nothing happens.
  28. asiat_61
    asiat_61 31 October 2014 08: 30
    +1
    According to Zadornov, they’re stupid. The Baltic states are near, Bulgaria is not far, there are a lot of examples, Romania, and all of eastern Europe. Well, well, the worse, the better.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 31 October 2014 09: 26
      0
      Quote: asiat_61
      According to Zadornov, they’re stupid. The Baltic states are near, Bulgaria is not far, there are a lot of examples, Romania, and all of eastern Europe.

      You do not understand. By "our" current standards, they live GORGEOUSLY. Ours is even worse! The truth does not mean that Ukraine will be able to "reach" the peaks of the Baltics and Greece.
  29. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 31 October 2014 08: 35
    0
    Quote: MolGro
    I kept thinking what was happening in Ukraine, so I found a map and it all became clear the closer Europe the worse the brains

    wrong map - our Crimea!
  30. BIG
    BIG 31 October 2014 08: 48
    0
    The worse, the better! The more disorder and confusion, the stronger the protest mood.
  31. apolenkov
    apolenkov 31 October 2014 08: 55
    -1
    No need to envy the Outskirts of Europe, and we, the Kotsaps, Asians, quilted jackets will trade with China, India and Brazil, and with the same Europe. Let it be "worse" for us.)))))
    1. Prager
      Prager 31 October 2014 10: 45
      -1
      I fully support your comment to the last word.
  32. Cristall
    Cristall 31 October 2014 10: 01
    +2
    I repeat the question - why write every day about the "suicide of Ukraine" and that all Ukrainians have "tomorrow" for the khan?
    At least there’s no analytics. VO rapidly plunged into analytics and articles (regarding Ukraine and the world)
    articles about Ukraine are even tired of me, a Ukrainian. But judging by the number of comments, as before, many people are ready to sharpen their hairs.
    At times, topics like Poroshenko banned the military-industrial complex (and there are completely off topic interviews in the article) look absurd and others. As in advertising - TITS. And now when you noticed --- the bed is on sale. Already 3 cases I observe articles such.
    Leave Ukraine alone. Well, we like suicide (judging by the articles), we are the Nazis, not patience.
    1. reality
      reality 31 October 2014 12: 07
      +3
      the essence of your comments - do not lie that we have everything 150% sucks. It's only 138% sucks and that's our choice. Arguments are armor-piercing. I myself do not like the gloating over the collapse of Ukraine, but I can understand it. But I, I cannot understand you, who are defending what also has you.
      Do not lie to yourself that you are defending your homeland. You devour her.
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 31 October 2014 14: 48
      0
      Ukraine is not going anywhere, I think it will live, at the level of Bulgaria and the Baltic states, well, at least get out of your skin, but all the places are already taken under the sun. Your industry will die, chemical - raw materials will be expensive, because new production facilities are being built in Russia with cheap raw materials, machine building - Russia has set a course for import substitution, except for some defense industry enterprises that will exist until the time they deliver products to their own armed forces, do not particularly hope for the agricultural sector - an example is Argentina. A positive moment for everyone, Ukrainians will finally begin to plow as expected, and not whine, because there will be no choice, most will leave for Europe for a low-paid job. It is necessary to face the truth. Ukraine will never live like Germany, but Ukrainians will be able to live better, but only if they leave for Germany. Land and other less normal assets will be bought up by Poles and Germans, your oligarchs will sell everything and live somewhere in Nice. You have been raped, but stupid people will understand this only when they experience all this in their own skin. The only positive thing for us in all this is that part of the Russians will leave for permanent residence in Russia.
  33. postoronim V
    postoronim V 31 October 2014 10: 18
    0
    Now you can zadolbivat any seller, you come to the store and you want to remove from the shelf Khokhlyat goods as inappropriate and not having an EU certificate. winked
  34. Demon
    Demon 31 October 2014 10: 40
    0
    At first, the situation on / in Urkain reminded me of the plot of the Strugatsky brothers' novel "The Doomed City" - you too are crazy on the streets, and monkeys, and burnt tires, and revolution, in the end. Now the situation is similar to the novel by the same authors "It is difficult to be God" - hopelessness, dullness, squalor and the same revolution, or rather, a coup. The Strugatsky brothers themselves called all these cataclysms and life in their sequence "triumphant dullness." But only if everything ends in the books, if not all is well, but the main characters remain alive, then in the "doomed urkaina" there will be no salvation for anyone - all the main characters will die - some from a Novorossiysk bullet, some hanging on an aspen somewhere in a forest belt, and who will their comrades-in-arms flood when trying to escape or to curry favor with the new government when the VSN take Kiev. And they will definitely take him.
    And who, first of all, will surrender the Urkain Fuhrer - I think it will be Geyropa, where these dogs will run with a pig trot.
    Sorry, maybe not the topic, but pent.
  35. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 31 October 2014 11: 01
    0
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    Quote: Coronel76
    I read another article about the imminent collapse of Ukraine, but time goes on and nothing happens.

    but nothing will happen. It will gain a foothold in a certain status and will balance between collapse and prosperity)))


    The prosperity of collapse will simply begin ...
  36. attuda
    attuda 31 October 2014 12: 02
    0
    Anti-ReF multi-power, as a consequence of the overload of 404 sub-states, with uncertain, fast-moving territorial borders ...
  37. IAlex
    IAlex 31 October 2014 12: 57
    0
    Yes and ..y with them, I'm more interested in the Russian Federation and all those who are members of the TS. For the dill market, even if the beggar is completely lost to the industry of these countries ...
  38. drags33
    drags33 31 October 2014 13: 26
    0
    Well, ukro-ruin determined the day of economic suicide herself ... We can only drink for the former Ukraine without clinking glasses ... All our neighbors will bury this former misunderstanding state - Romania, Hungary, Poland, Belarus, Slovakia, Moldova, Russia ... from the EU there will be a magnificent wreath. Perhaps from the United States will bring several flowers. In general, there will be many colors, many speeches. There is no need to grieve over this - the beggar was extravagant in this life and could not provide for herself, lived meagerly, clumsily, interrupting from alms to alms, from maidan to maidan ... She had dubious acquaintances and was drawn into a series of unpleasant stories. So, maybe all for the better ...
  39. kuz363
    kuz363 31 October 2014 16: 51
    0
    Enough to scare them with different standards, costs and time for their development ... When it is profitable for the West, it can backtrack on its rules by making an exception for Ukraine. After all, this is such a tidbit! They can extend the timeframes for developing standards, while allowing trading without them for now, and may allocate funds for their development. In short, there are many options. And Ukraine will find its niche in the EU. And they will live no worse than Russia. What balts live worse? And the military industry will find something to do. US orders will be given to Ukraine along with technology and equipment and cheaply will receive finished products. And then they will enter NATO. Also come up with exceptions. So lost and lost. The main thing is to get off Russian gas. And then another 5 years will be powdering their brains in transit.
  40. s30461
    s30461 31 October 2014 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    Quote: MolGro
    I kept thinking what was happening in Ukraine, so I found a map and it all became clear the closer Europe the worse the brains

    Curious)
    It's a shame for Ivano-Frankivsk scientific thought. But tomorrow everything will change! Collecting apples in Poland and cleaning German varieties significantly increase IQ. Go on, hoxles! A mountain of unwashed mugs has accumulated in Herr Müller's beerhouse!

    And if we analyze the scientific papers, it turns out that Zapadentsy basically wrote scientific papers on the history of Ukraine 2.0. Therefore, this map does not provide information on the value to society of these dissertations.
  41. Russia
    Russia 31 October 2014 19: 20
    +1
    It looks like we have another "Officer Daughter" with "not everything is clear" fellow
  42. Havoc
    Havoc 31 October 2014 20: 00
    0
    And why it is impossible to discuss another option for the development of Ukraine. After 3-4 years, completely ditching the economy of Ukraine, the EU and the states will banally throw Ukraine, because this state will never be a member of the EU, people who have suffered having thrown off the current government. Pro-Russian forces will pass to power, and to whom will they turn for help? Loyal to its fraternal duty, the Russian Federation will again suck in billions already to restore what else can be restored, instead of investing in its economy. And it will take an order of magnitude more money. In general, here, we must admit in the West without a losing option.
  43. Cristall
    Cristall 31 October 2014 20: 01
    0
    Stunned .. disclosed. All Khan. fellow
    Uh-huh "officer's daughter"
    Everything is ambiguous here. I laid out my position. I do not support the opinion of most of the cheers of the patriotic and capricious audience (especially over the past six months) in many matters. But this applies only to the Ukrainian theme.
    Well, since you have no idea who I am, it means you are recently on the site. Well, or not in the know who I am.
    However, many who have flooded the site are confused ... sending me to the kitchen.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 31 October 2014 22: 23
      +3
      Yes, don’t be so upset that there will be nothing bad with your country, well, you will live a little more badly, as Penny Pritzker outlined the United States will leave you agriculture on the basis of their GMO seeds (which do not multiply) and hydrofracture-based energy.
      Everyone on this forum is well aware of where the ears grow about the piglet and its Co., and how Chevron itself is connected with the population of the east, which no one in the west needs, because there’s nothing to do with it, since almost all of Lugansk, Donetsk and part of the Kharkiv region will be polluted with acids and other chemicals in oil and gas production and is almost unsuitable for life.
      What happened now was clearly not the initial plan of all the neighbors, since no one needed to forge a redistribution and throw gray matter on the fan a year before the end of Yanukovych’s term. Moreover, they will not keep 40 million in the EU, and the reduction in the number of population suits the owners of the pig first of all, hence the long strange war.

      About comments about Ukraine, she in the Russian Federation simply got sick of everyone for 23 years, before that she was screaming about secession and independence, then about complaints about the fleet, at the same time I was tying gas, putting sticks in the wheels of the military-technical cooperation. Everyone in 2013 was just happy that the south stream began to be built, and the Novorossiysk base was being completed, everyone naively believed that after 2017, there would be no more problems with it because the fleet would leave and gas would go through the south stream. Yes, there was no horseradish, they put a pig here, they fucked up to the Russians, because there simply was nothing left. T.ch. what do you expect from people on this forum?