Have you learned the lessons of the August war of 2008?

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A little more than three years have passed since the transient Russian-Georgian war, and we can sum up some of its results. The war was amazing because people fought, the grandfathers and great-grandfathers of which beat the Hitlerite hordes together, stormed the beast's lair - Berlin. Still, the memory of people is transient. For President of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili, the 5-day war ended sadly, but one cannot say that he completely lost, otherwise his body would have hit the gallows in Tskhinval.

His army, equipped with powerful shock weapons (the United States, Turkey, Israel, Ukraine, a number of European states participated in its armament) and prepared according to NATO standards, ready to attack the self-defense units, clearing the territory of the population, could not withstand the impact the Soviet army (or rather, its remnants) of the Russian Federation. The Georgians fled without serious resistance, the equipment was abandoned, Tbilisi was saved from a victorious march of Russian troops only by the unwillingness of the political leadership of the Russian Federation to go on further confrontation with the West. This war showed that it is not enough to have good weapons, communication and control systems, training, beautiful form, one must also possess a certain spiritual core, a readiness to fight for one’s own - just cause, as the Russian army showed.

In addition, the provocation of Georgia showed that, contrary to the opinion of many Western and some Russian experts, that the Russian armed forces had completely disintegrated, this point of view is erroneous. The Russian 58 army managed to quickly respond, having managed to double the grouping of troops in South Ossetia by almost a day, despite the fact that there was only one road - Vladikavkaz — Tskhinvali (167 km). And in three days to create a powerful grouping of Russian forces and assets that were capable of effective military operations and causing the enemy a quick defeat, and the enemy grouping was not numerically inferior. Part of the Airborne Forces, armored groups proved themselves worthy.

The complete failure of Tbilisi’s foreign policy was expressed not only in defeat, but in the complete loss of the ability to preserve within its borders the territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. For this, it is necessary to convince Moscow to remove its military bases from these republics, and then resolve the issue of the population of these de facto independent countries — this is only possible by military means, using the methods of genocide.

What negative did this war reveal in the Russian armed forces?

According to the head of the Center for Military Forecasting, Colonel Anatoly Tsygank, there are several main weaknesses of our army. "There was no interaction between the arms and the types of troops on the battlefield." On the first day, it was impossible to say that the Russian Air Force gained dominance in the sky. Yes, and generally action aviation were limited, apparently due to political motives. This explains why there were no normal (during the war) bombing of Georgian strategic targets, communications centers, government agencies, etc. It should also be noted that the Russian Air Force was affected by an acute shortage of precision weapons. Basically, the Air Force used conventional bombs and unguided rockets. In addition, the Georgian air defenses, with the help of Ukrainian military experts, shot down several of our aircraft. Practically there was no army aviation, therefore the armored vehicles went without air cover. There were no aircraft pilots in the troops, this did not immediately suppress the Georgian positions of salvo-fire systems and artillery. The Russian army actually remained aloof from the world breakthrough in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles: the Russian group consisted of only one middle class unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) - the Bee UAV. The Bee's range is only 60 kilometers, and the flight duration is 2 hours. This is clearly extremely insufficient for obtaining timely and continuous information about the position of the enemy.

"The weaknesses of the Russian army once again turned out to be actions at night, intelligence, communications and logistical support." Our group did not have a "Zoo-1" radar complex for reconnaissance of missile launchers and artillery positions, which could instantly detect a flying projectile within a radius of 40 km and immediately determine the point of fire, the position of enemy artillery. Therefore, the adjustment of our artillery fire was carried out by radio guidance and was not effective enough. On our old tanks The T-62 and T-72 were outdated night sights, they did not have thermal imagers, navigation systems, or friend or foe systems.

In the opinion of Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, there was a failure in the field of foreign intelligence - the large-scale preparations of the Georgian army for August 2008 were missed, they did not know the time of the strike, they did not know the composition of the shock forces of the Georgian forces, Kiev, were able to upgrade the air defense system, that there was a qualitative modernization and strengthening of armored units of the Georgian army. And the main reason for this is that “the relevant functions of the top leadership of Russia were removed from those who have always been engaged in such intelligence - from the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff. I was just amazed by this fact. ”

That is, there is a serious lag in the development of the Air Force, the sphere of UAVs, the latest electronic support for armored vehicles, communication and control systems. If our adversary on the Caucasian front were not the Georgian army, but a real enemy - like the Turkish army, then our army would wash with blood. It cannot be said that it would have been defeated (with approximately equal forces), but the losses would have been much more serious. Turks and air defense are better, and with aviation the order, training and motivation of the fighters is much higher than Georgian.

Lessons learned?

In appearance, the situation is not bad - Moscow realized that the army was outdated, there was an intensification of reform activities in the military sphere. The most radical and accelerated military reform began in our newest stories.

Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov believes that our army has become stronger in the tactical level, this was facilitated by the fact that the exercises began to be conducted more regularly and more often, the main combat unit became a more mobile brigade, rather than a division. But the problem remained at the strategic level: “there was a complete mess, so, I suspect, it remained”. The armed forces of the Russian Federation, both in the 2008 year, and now do not have normal foreign intelligence and supreme control - a potential enemy is not defined, it is not known for a potential war with whom it is necessary to prepare.

With the reduction of divisions, auxiliary units were also eliminated, which in peacetime can be out of place, but in war and in extraordinary circumstances are needed, such as, for example, pipeline battalions. None is still in the Ground Forces and Army Aviation.

Of the advantages, it should be noted that new weapons, Su-34, Ka-52, air defense systems, Iskander tactical missile systems, are being built into the troops, although they are in small batches. Although I want more, but there is a positive trend.

For three years, Georgia has fully restored its military potential with the help of almost the same countries and, in principle, can repeat if the situation is favorable. In foreign policy, Tbilisi is still focused on the United States. It expresses its readiness to help the Russian Federation prepare for the Olympics in Sochi in exchange for Moscow’s consent to the presence of international peacekeepers in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Sources of:
http://www.tsiganok.ru/
http://svpressa.ru/
http://mn.ru/newspaper_country/20110809/303874295.html
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  1. +6
    13 August 2011 08: 32
    It can be seen that the problems remain and even accumulate in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. For example, communication. This is a problem with a beard, since Soviet times. It is a shame to watch how a soldier still drags a radio station on himself at half his weight. Which, moreover, is not protected from the point of view of communication security. And other problems voiced are no less acute. This year the defense order failed and no one was held responsible. Found on-duty whipping boys and all. Indeed, how to fight a serious opponent? If we don’t need it, why torment people in mines. defense and defense industry?
    And many thanks to the Ukrainians for the "preserved" genetic memory, that we are brothers-Slavs.
    1. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 01: 42
      tell yourself thank you! what do Ukrainians have to do with your lack of brains?
  2. cVM
    cVM
    -7
    13 August 2011 10: 43
    we Russia have the best army in the world, but it still needed to be shown, in the August war, our troops reached Tskhinvali a day later, but it was necessary in a few hours, 5 days to destroy Georgia is a lot, a maximum of 2 days was needed but could not be handled, it was necessary correct mistakes
    1. -1
      13 August 2011 11: 07
      It’s possible in an hour or how much time the strategists fly up there ... just take into account the fact that the General Staff arranged a move the day before. Or do you think the Medvedev team is enough to start the troop movement?
    2. vasili1981
      -2
      14 August 2011 00: 46
      a po kakim meram vy veliki strateg opredelili 5 chjasov ??? a pochemu 2 dnja, a ne 5 min ???
  3. +1
    13 August 2011 10: 51
    I hope 11.11.2011 will be calm, well, at least for our country.
    1. 0
      13 August 2011 11: 08
      Nato will arrange new exercises in the Baltic states ... wink
      1. dmitri077
        0
        28 January 2012 01: 43
        Estonia is not yet threatening Mother Russia ?! lol
  4. -1
    13 August 2011 11: 30
    Whether the lessons of the war of 2008 have been learned will be seen from the results of the next armed conflict. I believe that the following invasion scenario will be changed, as Georgians hope for success in an open confrontation with our troops, not at all. The advantage in the air and heavy weapons of the RA determine the outcome. The calculation can only be made on the successful action of special groups aimed at seizing important state objects of South Ossetia and retaining them until the puppet regime announces the reunification of South Ossetia with Georgia. These actions must be ensured by the presence of NATO forces in the region. The timing of the invasion is likely to be timed to coincide with the Olympics in Sochi.
    1. ballian
      +1
      13 August 2011 11: 37
      I must honestly admit that a fleeting victory was achieved due to the fact that the Georgian army simply scrawled cowardly banally (compare with what happened in Chechnya)
      1. +3
        13 August 2011 12: 29
        No need to compare the two companies (one of which is ongoing).
        If in Ossetia it was clear to everyone that this was a WAR, then in Chechnya our leaders used the lascivious word - "restoration of constitutional order" and "counter-terrorism measures", with all the ensuing consequences ...
        In Ossetia, the reinforced most combat-ready ZakVO army was introduced into the battle.
        Combined units were sent to Chechnya, formed according to the principle of recruitment to virgin lands in the Soviet years - "God is on you, that we don't like it ..."
        And this list of differences can be continued for a long time, tiring your attention.
        The Georgians ran because they were FORCED TO RUN (maybe some of them ran proudly, I won’t argue).
        1. ballian
          -10
          13 August 2011 16: 35
          "
          Quote: piston.k
          The Dzhorzhiks ran because they were FORCED TO RUN

          The Tumbo-Yumbo tribe can also be made to run - by shooting up a blank cartridge from a hunting rifle - the Georgians were just draping - there was virtually no resistance, and it was unlikely that they even stopped at Tbilisi.
          When ours moved from Abkhazia to Western Georgia - they generally did not find either the Army or the Police there - they all fled.
          I don’t understand why you think that the 1999 introduced in Chechnya in 80 — the thousandth army is a kind of unhealthy gathering. In any case, both quantitatively and qualitatively, these forces exceeded the forces of Chechen fighters. It simply took HALF a year to simply occupy small Chechnya - of course, if there had not been worthy resistance there, everything would have ended in a few days.
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          1. 0
            13 August 2011 21: 17
            ballian.
            "there was virtually no resistance" implies no losses on the other side. Therefore, your conclusions are wrong.
            1. ballian
              -4
              14 August 2011 12: 11
              Well, what are you saying - after all, what happened then is known almost by the clock and in details, including in the video.
        2. svvaulsh
          -1
          17 August 2011 16: 10
          Quote: piston.k
          army ZakVO.


          Probably the 58th Army of the North Caucasian Military District was meant.
  5. +1
    13 August 2011 12: 19
    ballian, before whom I ran and whom I was scared ,,, ??? here it is. then not all is lost. !!
  6. Pinocchio
    +4
    13 August 2011 13: 44
    In the 08.08.08 war, the Russian army had to fight not with gangs in the Caucasus, but with a trained, equipped, technically equipped, as well as ideologically (not religiously, but geopolitically) processed and of course well financed army. War in the full sense of the word. The advanced military equipment of the Georgian army caused a shock among the Russian military (it is natural for us to be surprised at the superiority of the attacking side). The conclusion suggests itself that the defensive component of our army should be more powerful and effective. A whole complex of military preparations. The inhabitants, our peacekeepers, are dying, and our leadership is justifying itself before the Western "partners". Too much politics. In general, this war leaves a lot of unpleasant questions.
    1. -1
      13 August 2011 14: 44
      The inhabitants, our peacekeepers, are dying, and our leadership is justifying itself before the Western "partners". Too much politics.
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      If Saakashvili was not much smarter, he would not have arranged such a powerful shelling of the city. He would not have smashed the city with tanks! They simply bypassed our MB posts from the east. Infantry formations, with the support of armored personnel carriers. That our leaders would still doubt - "to send troops or do not enter? "
      1. Marat
        +3
        14 August 2011 00: 29
        I agree - if he were smarter than he would put the Russian leadership in a difficult situation - they might not decide to send troops.
        But here it is also necessary to take into account the factor of the Ossetians - they would not let the Georgians go around quietly and take something without a fight - so the Georgians had to "beat them to the fullest" out of fear of Ossetian resistance and give Russia every reason to help the fraternal people.
        That is, the phrase may sound like this - if Saakashvili was smarter and braver, and if he counted on the courage of his soldiers, then he would try to do without mass shelling and put Russia at a disadvantage
  7. Roma
    0
    13 August 2011 14: 30
    ..... "Moscow realized that the army was outdated, there was an intensification of reform activities in the military sphere ...." What nonsense!
    This has already happened - "to destroy to the ground, in order to then build your new world .." ...
    While the army is led by amateurs, there can be no talk of any reform ..
  8. +1
    13 August 2011 14: 43
    cVB. You are like this, by what criteria did you evaluate that the Russian army is the best, and even in the whole world? If you had in mind the nuclear triad, then you can still agree. But this does not apply on 08.08.08. That would be if such armament and combat support were if the Chechens, then it would be bad for us so far. The Chechens turned out to be soldiers, and the Georgians - alas.
  9. atheist
    -2
    13 August 2011 15: 12
    I hope that there will be no more 5 years of war,
  10. Garfield
    -1
    13 August 2011 19: 08
    Here is in my opinion the most adequate assessment of those events http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Oxwb7QDo0&feature=related
  11. mitrich
    +1
    13 August 2011 20: 44
    I read with interest both the article and the comments to it. I immediately remembered the words of S. Rustaveli (in my opinion, from "The Knight in the Panther's Skin"): "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side!"
    I consider myself a patriot of my country (at one time I even used this nickname), but to say that the modern Russian Armed Forces are the best in the world, I will not turn my tongue. The best, yes - if we talk about self-sacrifice, sometimes just the heroism of officers and soldiers, also taking into account the hardships that have befallen the army over the past 20 years (and even now it is not over). And if we take the technical equipment of the army, the salaries of servicemen, their social security as the criteria for assessing, are we the best? Perhaps we will not enter the eighth decade. I will be glad if everything planned until 2020 is fulfilled, and female soul catchers will again be "on duty" near the school checkpoints.
    Now about the "five days". The war, as such, in the classical sense of the word, did not happen. The whole war is the rapid advance of the columns of Russian armored vehicles, point BShUs across the territory of Georgia, and that's all, with rare exceptions. Our losses happened mainly at Timmerman, several planes, and a case when a convoy by mistake entered a Georgian village and was fired upon (a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle burned down, in my opinion). What kind of war is this ... The Georgians simply fled, realizing that the Ossetian side was ready for them under our cover to arrange their "Clear Field" ...
    It is simply incorrect to compare the "five-day period" with Chechnya. Different wars, different tasks set by the Armed Forces. You can write here for a long time ...
  12. Marat
    +2
    14 August 2011 00: 36
    Perhaps there is an analogy with Khalkhin Gol and the Japanese - having received a retaliatory strike, the enemy (Georgia and the USA) became thoughtful and did not go right to the second part - we got a respite - that is, it is possible that we were checked whether we are still alive or not
  13. Stiffmaister
    -1
    14 August 2011 10: 28
    Hmm, they fought just like during the Second World War. We have really big problems with communications, drones and modernization of equipment, but I hope this situation is resolved and we will not just send our armies to war, but first let the drones and the multiple launch rocket systems restore order there, and then the army will finish off.
  14. 0
    14 August 2011 10: 55
    One smart man said, "Generals always prepare for the last war," Winston Leopard Spencer Churchill (1874-1965).
  15. -1
    14 August 2011 11: 31
    It’s interesting, but have we already studied the equipment? And then they captured trophies, but what's the point? Or is there anyway? Trophies of this war are here
    http://video.yandex.ru/users/polittv/view/30/
    1. Barbarian
      0
      20 January 2012 10: 56
      they were successfully sold
  16. Siberian
    +2
    14 August 2011 11: 57
    My opinion is as follows.
    If the lessons are learned, then somehow imperceptibly. I can only judge by the system of training cadets of VU.
    As before, the bulk of the training time is devoted to the conduct of the battle in a full-scale war, company strongholds, battalion defense areas, and the attack on the old battle lines of companies and battalions. To study the actions of units in local wars and conflicts, 6-10 hours of study time for 5 years of training are allocated.
    And on what technique do cadets study military disciplines?
    Poor, just "kopecks" and "kopecks". There are also new ones (after overhaul), but they are few and are kept only in order to be exhibited at the state waste disposal facilities. For a 100-km march, the support battalion hardly picks up 15-17 vehicles that are not connected, which are not jammed around the clock (the march takes place in December in Siberia) because the battery is shit, and the air release system is faulty. Communication - the legendary R-159. If you "run into" the chief of communications, he can give something better. But not often as new means of communication just to organize the next show.
    1. svvaulsh
      -1
      17 August 2011 16: 29
      Well, in the USSR, too, VU were supplied according to the residual principle. But then at least the army received what it wanted.
    2. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 01: 48
      unfortunately "nano-technologies" bypassed you ... more and more our way .. thanks for the truth
  17. Owl
    +4
    14 August 2011 14: 57
    Great findings:
    - service life is reduced to 1 year
    - Russian military education is being destroyed (in quality it lags far behind Soviet military education)
  18. Pinocchio
    +1
    16 August 2011 14: 53
    The situation in Russia is such that civilians must be military even after the army. Annual military fees .... fees .... fees. God forbid .... but in large-scale military operations, for example with the PRC, the army can not do without reservists and militias. Universal mobilization will be for anyone.
    1. +1
      17 August 2011 15: 44
      I want to be a militia with us (from the ent word the braid and pitchfork themselves ask for hands) as the Amer National Guard (I understand that this is the reservists) and with their technical support. bully
      1. Pinocchio
        -1
        17 August 2011 17: 56
        It is better to be a military militia even in peacetime than to burn your life in drugs and alcohol.
  19. Barbarian
    -1
    20 January 2012 10: 00
    The war was surprising in the fact that people fought, whose grandfathers and great-grandfathers of which hit Hitler hordes together,

    And what is surprising here? He shot a brother at a civilian brother and no one was surprised