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What are the prospects for DNR and LC?

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At the moment, "Novorossiya" is nothing more than an idea, a dream of a part of Ukrainian society, tired of the endless misfortunes and problems of Ukraine. But at the same time, no one knows what “New Russia” is. Similarly, no one really knows what the prospects are even for formally existing DNR and LC. It is difficult to name them states. At the moment they are nothing more than rebellious territories, most of whose population does not want to live in Ukraine.

What are the prospects for DNR and LC?


The prospects for the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics are extremely vague. And with any development of the military-political situation in the region. The negative scenario of the war for the Donbass militia automatically implies a harsh and ruthless destruction of the DPR and the LPR by Kiev. However, even with the development of a military conflict that is positive for the insurgent region, the very need for the existence of these formations is questionable. If the militia expands the territory it controls into the Southeast, the rebels will automatically face the task of creating a larger, united, and centralized state entity.

However, at the moment it is just one of the speculative probabilities.

However, now it’s not possible to talk about the real existence of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass. As a state, they do not exist. Instead of them - a set of organized, armed groups of various numbers, controlling certain territories of the insurgent region. However, often these groups not only do not coordinate their actions, but also come into confrontation with each other.

Such a situation can be described in one word - chaos.

Civil power in the territory of the DPR and the LPR (as well as its representatives) remained from Ukraine. Both in form and in content. She is subordinate to the field commanders of the militia and continues to perform her organizational and administrative functions to the best of her ability and capabilities. This allows you to somehow maintain the work of the infrastructure that provides the population with the most necessary - electricity, water, gas, heat, transport, food supply.

At the same time, there is no longer a single state system in the rebel republics. The Ukrainian system was destroyed by revolution and war, and the "Novorossiysk" has not yet been created. This is primarily due to the lack of unity of command in the territory of the DPR and the LPR - centralized authority.

The destruction of centralized power, in turn, deprived the self-proclaimed republics of a fully functioning economic and financial system. And this plunges the region into a social collapse. Simply put, in order to live normally, people at a minimum need security, work and social benefits, but only a single, centralized power can provide it, and it is just in the region that it still does not.

In fact, at the moment the most important and important problem of the DPR and the LPR is the problem of autocracy. The republics of Donbass need a single leader with full power. And given the fact that the region is engulfed in chaos, the power of the supreme ruler cannot rely only on the militia battalions and access to the necessary resources. Under the circumstances, the main advantage of the general Donbas leader can only be his personal authority recognized in the region. Without an authoritative, charismatic leader, the power in the DPR-LPR will be extremely unstable, depending on the vagaries of field commanders and the moods of the majority of the militia. In the Donbas now there is no such leader.

That is why in this situation, the formal “chiefs” who are let down / appointed by someone “from above” cannot take full authority in the region into their hands. They will not even be the first among equals. A real obschestononbassky leader can be nominated only by the general decision of field commanders with the support of ordinary militias. The emergence of such a leader in itself can be the main stabilizing and organizing factor DNR-LC. The premieres of Donbass appointed by someone in Moscow are not a solution to the problem of autocracy, but rather its postponement. Without a really elected field commander of the general Donbass “ruler” and “commander in chief”, it will be extremely difficult, almost impossible, to overcome the chaos in the region.

It should be noted that in the conditions of war, the idea of ​​holding elections on the territory of the rebel republics looks extremely doubtful. At the moment, whoever the people choose in the bodies of civil authority, the real power will still remain in the hands of the military. Now in the Donbas, in the words of Mao, “the rifle gives rise to power.” And this must be taken into account. Therefore, while there is a war, as long as real power is in the hands of armed people, any democratic procedures will be purely decorative and essentially meaningless, unable to change anything in the current situation.

Obvious is the simple idea that to overcome the negative trends in the DPR and the LPR during the war, only the concentration of all power in the hands of the military, who are currently the only, more or less, organized force in the region, can overcome. And the functioning institutions of civil authority are a temporary element of the system of military-state organization.

In addition, it is not clear whether the leadership of the DPR-LPR understands right now that, given the difficult economic and financial situation, the distribution of food, medicine, fuel, etc. is advisable to be centralized with the help of a rationing system, concentrating all the existing republican finances which is impossible to solve without money.

The card system not only makes it possible to rationally allocate resources, but also creates conditions under which virtually the entire population, one way or another, is included in the work determined by the government. Thanks to the card system, every citizen can get access to the necessary benefits only by actively integrating into the socio-political and economic system of relations. This allows you to maximize the use of human resources, as well as to at least partially solve the acute shortage of funds and a no less acute social crisis.

In addition, it is not entirely clear whether the current leadership of the DPR-LPR understands the need to subordinate the defense tasks of the republics to all the forces and resources of the territory it controls, which makes sense only if it is turned into rear, providing the Donbass army with everything it needs. The physical survival of the people's republics directly depends on this.

At the moment, it seems that to a greater degree the governments of the DPR-LPR proceed from the simple idea that all of their problems will be solved by Moscow. However, any outside help will always have a limited and often dosed scale, and in principle it is not able to eliminate a number of strategic problems. The high degree of independence of the “Donbass republics” calls into question the possibility of their further full existence.

An equally important problem of “LPR” - “DPR” is their external political isolation and financial and economic blockade. These rebellious "republics" will never be recognized by the West. This, in turn, implies the implementation of a number of consecutive steps on the part of the leadership of the “DPR” - “LPR” in the direction of adapting to the conditions of unrecognized existence. It is extremely doubtful that Moscow is implementing the Crimean scenario in the Donbas. Crimea is an exception.

In general, it is extremely doubtful that the “DPR” - “LPR” has any chance of survival in their current organizational form and size. Most likely, the “Donbass republics” are either a transitional stage to something more efficient and large-scale, or the territory of a catastrophe without any prospects for the future.
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  1. Fedya
    Fedya 29 October 2014 06: 59
    +14
    Moscow was not built in a day !
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 29 October 2014 07: 08
      +10
      Most likely, the "Donbass republics" are either a transitional stage to something more effective and large-scale, or

      I would prefer such a scenario .. And there it’s how the card will fall ..
      1. nvv
        nvv 29 October 2014 07: 25
        +1
        There are also such offers.
        1. SHILO
          29 October 2014 07: 41
          +6
          Good morning ... brr ... day Victor hi

          All this is not bad, but the trouble is that the communist idea in the Donbass has discredited itself, I'm afraid completely. request
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          2. nvv
            nvv 29 October 2014 08: 18
            +4
            They worked hard for this. But there are pluses. This is knowledge of previous mistakes. I just don’t see, I don’t know and did not know a more just society. And it’s not mercenaries who are traveling, but people who are passionate about the idea.
            Quote: SHILO
            the communist idea in the Donbass has discredited itself, I'm afraid completely.

            [media = http: //topwar.ru/index.php? do = lastcomments & userid = 95725] Good afternoon, Konstantin hi
            1. SHILO
              29 October 2014 08: 32
              +4
              Quote: nvv
              I just do not see, do not know and did not know, a more just society.


              With this my friend I can not argue.
              It’s just that since the 97 year of truly ideological people ready to change the world, I have not met. I met a lot of people capable of mimicry - yes.
              And it’s unfortunate of course recourse
              1. nvv
                nvv 29 October 2014 08: 40
                +4
                Quote: SHILO
                And it’s unfortunate of course

                I subscribed to the YouTube channel Len.ru, and it turned out that there was still gunpowder in the powder flasks. There are worthy people.
                1. SHILO
                  29 October 2014 09: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: nvv
                  Subscribed to the channel on Youtube Len.ru


                  I’ll see Victor for sure yes But ... But I am a pessimist with experience request ...
                  1. nvv
                    nvv 29 October 2014 09: 22
                    +3
                    But you can't blindly trust anyone. Around us are "good" uncles with barrels of honey and beckoning "Come! Fly in !!" You will not check, you will get drunk in the ointment. lol So you have a good trait. yes
                    1. SHILO
                      29 October 2014 09: 42
                      +4
                      Quote: nvv
                      Around us are "good" uncles with barrels of honey and beckoning "Come !!! Fly in !!"


                      With barrels of jam and baskets of cookies ... laughing That you just noticed!
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                    1. Aleksys2
                      Aleksys2 29 October 2014 12: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      All who were in the ranks of the Komsomol
                      CONGRATULATIONS ON THE 96 ANNIVERSARY OF THE CREATION OF THE VLKSM !!!
                      WITH A FRIEND HOLIDAY!

                      Join us!
                      How young we were, how sincerely loved ...
                2. bda
                  bda 30 October 2014 00: 44
                  0
                  there is life in the old dog yet.


                  Unfortunately, the alignment is such that without decisive action on the part of Russia, "gunpowder in powder flasks" will simply allow its carriers to "die with honor" (not very smart people, or deliberate provocateurs, usually try to reduce the concept of "Russian decisiveness" to the introduction of troops, but this, as any thinking person understands, is just one of many, many options).

                  But ... our determination in relation to Novorossiya back in May of this year. was taken to Switzerland by the President of this glorious power, Mr. D. Burkhalter (where, probably, he still keeps it in some such strong Swiss bank safe), and therefore, in reality, everything is really "not quite" - even if the warriors are coming out will calm down from the cold, or from hunger - Donbass will not flourish from this and will not become an infectious example either for Kharkov, or for Odessa and Zaporozhye.
                  Unfortunately, there are plenty of examples at our side - and Transnistria, which has been stagnating for more than 20 years, and has been keeping afloat only thanks to the huge Russian inflows of South Ossetia, and starting to overestimate its friendship with Russia, Abkhazia, problems accumulate and solve them by means of undercover intrigues, but purely financial manipulations, everything fails and fails (and, apparently, they simply did not learn otherwise).
                  With Donbass, most likely, just really, no one really knows what to do - just taking on the maintenance is expensive (this is not South Ossetia with 50 - 70 thousand population, of which, in reality, half are in Moscow and Vladikavkaz). To turn away and say: “We don’t know you and we didn’t raise you to fight the Bandera-fascists” - it is very attractive for many who are at the trough, but it is associated with huge image risks inside the country, despite the fact that “outside” is already a tooth sharpened on many of them for the Crimea - and the end of a career "in the style of Gaddafi" - is also not quite what we would like.
                  Even the adherents of "cunning plans" were depressed, apparently remembering that although "winter is near," unfortunately, it happens not only in Kiev, but also in Donetsk, oddly enough. And yet, after her, spring comes anyway. Yes, and no one canceled the transit of gas to Geyropa through Ukro-Banderia, and at once to abandon it in conditions of tight sitting on an oil and gas needle is suicide both for the economy and for the entire social system of Russia - for such tricks it was necessary, at least, the last 15 years, rolling up our sleeves, to restore, and not to finish off, our own production, our own science, and our own education (as one of the critics of Chubais nano-saws and Skolkovo creative dragging away said: then don't understand why to be creative !? ").
                  About the unprecedented boldness of the Kudrin-Siluanian transformation of income from the increased oil and gas prices (golden rain, practically) into "American securities" - and it's a shame to say - they put their "golden rain" into the economy of another country and rejoiced!
            2. Normal ok
              Normal ok 29 October 2014 19: 44
              0
              Different people go.
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          3. DRA-88
            DRA-88 29 October 2014 12: 01
            +4
            [_THE VLKS ANNIVERSARYquote = SHILO] SHILO [/ quote]

            All who passed the school of the Komsomol and consisted and is in its ranks
            CONGRATULATIONS ON THE 96th ANNIVERSARY OF THE CREATION OF THE VLKSM!
            WITH COMRADE HOLIDAY !!!
      2. vtnsk
        vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 22
        +2
        The card has already "lay". Just on the common border with Russia. Further, one can not even explain about the "prospects" of the DPR and LPR, since everything was much worse in Transnistria, but - we are still coping and there is hope to resolve the issue in the near future ... smile
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 29 October 2014 19: 47
          0
          For reference. I was in Transnistria then. Transnistria was much better: no devastation, functioning enterprises, there was almost no humanitarian collapse.
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    2. SHILO
      29 October 2014 07: 23
      +9
      Quote: Fedya
      Moscow was not built in a day !


      Explain Fedya to those old people who are now starving in the Donbass (cases of starvation have gone into the tens). Pensions 3 month are not paid. You say humanitarian aid, but have you seen her? Me not. To talk about Moscow that is not being built right away - well sitting in the built Moscow.
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War 29 October 2014 08: 18
        +4
        Concerning humanitarian aid, there are many questions, but the people should ask Zakharchenko and others the very basis of the question on this subject.
        1. SHILO
          29 October 2014 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: The Art of War
          Concerning humanitarian aid, there are many questions, but the people should ask Zakharchenko and others the very basis of the question on this subject.


          I will be the last one to give you a minus. I will say more. This is not the main question, but the only one - therefore, as a humanitarian, this is voluntary and it is not accepted to look a "gift horse" in the mouth. I will argue only about "my Zakharchenko": he is the same "our" as "our" was Taruta and all the previous shobla. This cannot be explained in one post - it is better to read "Muddy Water" (in the list of my publications) - a lot will become clear.
      2. Fedya
        Fedya 29 October 2014 18: 30
        0
        And from whom do you expect pensions? Okay, women and children fled, and men? Did everyone begin to fight? I don’t like to talk at all, but prefer to act!
    3. Siberian German
      Siberian German 29 October 2014 08: 01
      +4
      no need to compare - Moscow was built when the geostrategic interests of Russia did not strongly clash with the interests of other states - that is, the fact of the construction of Moscow and the response to it were stretched out in time, which made it possible to prepare for this reaction (put up new walls, fill up the squad, etc.) .
      Now in Ukraine, the interests of many have clashed, and this could be to the detriment of the new education. For me it’s so - GOD help our people
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      2. 97110
        97110 29 October 2014 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: Siberian German
        Moscow was built when the geostrategic interests of Russia did not strongly clash with the interests of other states

        I don’t know how Russia was there, but such states as the Tver Principality and Mr. Veliky Novgorod were not at all happy about the construction of Moscow. Not to mention Lithuania and Poland, the Swedes and the Livonian Order, Ryazan and Krymchaks - do not be lazy, read about our story even from Alexander Nevsky. His descendants could envy the Novorossiysk. Nobody sent them white Kamaz trucks.
        1. vtnsk
          vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 28
          0
          So today too many are more than "not happy" about the presence of Moscow in the sky. And she - nothing, stands still and is not going to disappear. Why are these excursions into ancient history (after all, you can remember Troy), when the XNUMXst century is already in the yard? ... smile
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 29 October 2014 10: 30
      +1
      The prospect for the DPR and LPR is independence primarily from Ukraine and complete sovereignty.
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  2. Finches
    Finches 29 October 2014 07: 07
    +7
    So the project Ukraine, this is the same transitional stage to something more ambitious! God forbid not the fourth Reich! The DNI and the LC did not want to build the fourth Reich, and what they are now turning into is not the most significant, significant, that the process has begun! And he went in the right direction!
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 30
      0
      It is hard to consider "zero" (the perspective of the current "Ukraine") a "large-scale" value ... laughing
  3. Listen grandfather
    Listen grandfather 29 October 2014 07: 07
    +2
    Perspectives are directly proportional to our support.
  4. domokl
    domokl 29 October 2014 07: 08
    +8
    It is very well written. Indeed, now it is necessary either to continue to expand by military efforts and, at the same time, form state structures, or to prepare for the destruction of HP, I'm afraid even of the physical.
    The election, in my opinion, is the next stage in the formation of the state
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 29 October 2014 07: 20
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Very well written


      Quote: domokl
      The election, in my opinion, is the next stage in the formation of the state


      But the author, just the same, doubts the need for elections.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 07: 48
        +2
        by and large elections in such a period of idiocy, now we need a dictatorship.
        1. vtnsk
          vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 37
          +2
          Already wrote somewhere but I repeat: Elections in Novorossia (LPR DPR) are necessary primarily for LEGITIMIZATION these (so far) non-state entities, since it is still impossible to officially recognize them (at the international level) or establish intergovernmental ties with the conclusion of relevant agreements on pressing issues (trade, security, mutual assistance, etc.) ... smile
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 14: 05
            0
            Quote: vtnsk
            for LEGITIMIZATION

            sorry to whom ???
            the West, even if there will be fiery letters in the sky, does not recognize the elections as legitimate, Russia recognizes real power even without elections, so forgive me who needs legitimation?
    2. vtnsk
      vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 33
      0
      The presence of a common border with Russia makes the "destruction of HP" a phenomenon with a probability close to a statistical error. Don't you think that all the past time, the HP militia was sitting at home and waiting for them to be "destroyed"? ... smile
  5. k174oun7
    k174oun7 29 October 2014 07: 08
    +9
    Dear author A. Vajra. Never write never. Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia will be successfully recognized if Russia ever gains the same influence as the United States is now. It is the same with Novorossiya, if of course it can survive.
    In Novorossia, contrary to all the machinations of ours and yours, Novorossiysk Bohdan Khmelnitsky will certainly come forward.
    If only they stood day and night lasted until GDP cleaned up the Kremlin bad guys.
    New Russia to be.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: k174un7
      New Russia to be.

      God forbid, but so far, the author is right, this is all very foggy, a couple of days ago I was shocked and horrified at them in Novorossia, they have a minister of culture and tourism.
      damn, they have nothing to do, a lot of money? !!!
      they share portfolios there and not think about the state
      1. vtnsk
        vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 38
        0
        And where is it not "foggy" in Ukraine? ... laughing
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 20: 37
          0
          you understand what I mean
    2. zzz
      zzz 29 October 2014 08: 14
      +3
      Quote: k174un7
      New Russia to be.


      I am sure that she will be! I do not want to offend anyone, but people in the Donbass are distinguished by the fact that in them somehow such qualities as simplicity and ingenuity, like audacity and good nature at the same time, were combined. They will not be lost!
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      2. 97110
        97110 29 October 2014 11: 01
        +3
        Quote: zzz
        people in the Donbass are distinguished by the fact that in them somehow such qualities as simplicity and ingenuity, as insolence and good nature at the same time, are combined. They will not be lost!
        It's like that. This alone does not guarantee the future of Novorossiya. The wife croaks (originally from the DR) that the Donetsk people are tired of fighting and they will soon "not disappear", having finished with the DR in some way. I come from the north, I do not agree with this situation. But, being married several times, I do not argue with this wife, she is usually right.
  6. coffee
    coffee 29 October 2014 07: 09
    +3
    At the moment, it is necessary to hold politically, and continue to bring a humanitarian box not to be greedy for the regions we have a lot.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 07: 55
      +3
      this is all good, but unfortunately it is less and less like a state, and more and more some kind of strange formation
      we are independent from Ukraine, but for some reason Ukraine must pay pensions in the Donbas, the leadership of Novorossia is more engaged in public affairs than in state affairs, posts and portfolios are breeding, and things are still there
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 29 October 2014 09: 00
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Novorossia’s leadership is more engaged in public affairs than in state affairs, posts and portfolios are breeding, and things are still there

        That's just the point! Therefore, the author casts doubt on the elections. It's just that the same Zakharchenko can, after being elected, turn into an appanage prince, if there are agreements with Kiev and they plan to hold these elections as Poroshenko's. And then we will only divorce "whom we have chosen!"
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 09: 19
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          And then we will only divorce "whom we have chosen!"

          need GKO
  7. Old Man Leader
    Old Man Leader 29 October 2014 07: 10
    +4
    MOSCOW, October 28 - RIA Novosti. Russia in 2014 will completely close the Arctic radar field, and in 2015 it will be ready to "welcome intruders" from the North and East, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.

    The Minister recalled the expansion of Russia's military presence in the Arctic and announced that three expeditions are currently being conducted on the Arctic islands to create infrastructure.

    "Thus, this year we will completely close the radar field, and in 2015 we will be almost completely ready to meet uninvited guests from both the East and the North," Shoigu said, speaking at a meeting of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense.

    The head of the military department also recalled that the restoration of airfields on the Novosibirsk Islands, Franz Josef Land, and the northern airfields of Tiksi, Naryan-Mar, Alykel, Vorkuta, Anadyr and Rogachevo have recently begun. All these actions will allow, according to the minister, to protect national interests in the region.

    As reported by the Russian Emergencies Ministry, the total value of minerals concentrated in the Arctic region of Russia exceeds $ 30 trillion. Gradually, the center of gravity of oil and gas production in Russia will shift to the shelf of the Arctic seas, experts of the ministry say.

    In recent years, Russia has begun to take an active economic development of its northern territories, including the production of hydrocarbons, as well as the development of the Northern Sea Route, which is increasingly becoming an alternative to traditional routes from Europe to Asia. To protect Russian interests in the Arctic sent a package of measures, including the military, given the increased attention to the region by NATO member countries.

    In April, President Vladimir Putin announced the creation of a unified system of basing surface ships and submarines of a new generation in the Russian part of the Arctic. According to him, it is also necessary to increase the reliability of protection of the Russian border in the Arctic, including by strengthening the maritime component of the border group.

    Earlier, Shoigu reported that already in 2014, Russian troops would be deployed throughout the Arctic belt - from the northwestern regions of the country to the Far East.
  8. RusDV
    RusDV 29 October 2014 07: 10
    +1
    An article of enmity, of course ... minus her for it.
    Everything in the article boils down to the message:
    At the moment, it seems that to a greater extent the DNR-LNR governments proceed from the simple idea that Moscow will solve all their problems. However, any external assistance will always have a limited, and often metered, scale and, in principle, it is not able to eliminate a number of strategic problems
    Maybe you are right. But the conclusion from this:
    The high degree of independence of the "Donbass republics" calls into question the possibility of their further full-fledged existence.
    - completely ambiguous. And if "DNR-LNR" is replaced by "Ukraine", and "Moscow" is replaced by the United States, we will get the same question about "the possibility of its further full-fledged existence" ...
    Ukrainians do not see logs in their eyes ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 07: 57
      +6
      Quote: RusDV
      Enemy article, of course ... minus her for it

      the real description is not a betrayal, because a hundred times you say halva in your mouth will not become sweeter.
      1. Babr
        Babr 29 October 2014 09: 42
        +3
        request
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: RusDV
        Enemy article, of course ... minus her for it

        the real description is not a betrayal, because a hundred times you say halva in your mouth will not become sweeter.

        Find three lines that do not suit you and put a minus? And the article is hostility, I agree. Just for whom? laughing
  9. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 29 October 2014 07: 13
    +3
    It is better to win, and then proceed to the political registration of the State in fact !!!
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 29 October 2014 09: 28
      0
      Is it possible to win without a rear, heavy weapons, uninterrupted supply of ammunition and building up a "mobilization resource"? A hundred carts, sabers - and let's go to Kiev? And he will get scared and immediately give up.
  10. pvv113
    pvv113 29 October 2014 07: 19
    +3
    no one really knows what the prospects are even for formally existing DNR and LC. It's hard to call them states

    It is not clear why the author finds it difficult to call the LPR and DPR states? Is the statehood of Ukraine superior to the statehood of the republics of New Russia? And the young republics of the DPR and LPR are at the stage of formation and, being a state of an early stage of development, have the potential for further improvement hi
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 07: 59
      +2
      probably because the leadership of the republics is more concerned with narcissism and excuse stuffing pockets with grandmothers.
      remember two weeks ago there was an attempt on the life of someone from the leadership, did not pay attention to what car "it" drove in the front-line zone?
  11. tasha
    tasha 29 October 2014 07: 20
    -5
    My thought, of course, is crazy. Why shouldn't the residents of Novorossiya invite some of the prominent Russian politicians to their "principality"? For example, the same V.V. Zhirinovsky. Or M.D. Prokhorov, he has money ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 October 2014 07: 45
      +3
      Yeah. Residents of the east of Ukraine are against the oligarchs, and you offer an oligarch. Then Piglet has money too, but he is in no hurry to spend something on Ukraine.
      1. tasha
        tasha 29 October 2014 07: 49
        +1
        Well, why are you in such a hurry. The basic idea is to invite someone. And who exactly - let the veche decide it :) :)
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 08: 01
      +1
      probably because this is not a principality, but you need to invite a team of specialists, and forgive me, Prokhorov’s money for this will not be enough
      1. tasha
        tasha 29 October 2014 08: 13
        +1
        Your comment was read with sincere bewilderment. I am referring you to my comment from 07: 49.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 08: 50
          0
          I don’t have to send me anywhere.
          you said, I answered, excuse me, but in today's conditions this is nonsense, I don’t know how old you are and whether you can remember the end of the 80s, there was such garbage as the election of the director of the enterprise, you offer something similar
          1. tasha
            tasha 29 October 2014 08: 55
            +1
            Your answer has been read.
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 29 October 2014 09: 30
      0
      Is it necessary for the "squad" to accept the left "prince-Varangian"?
  12. Baloo
    Baloo 29 October 2014 07: 20
    +2
    Objectively, realistic. Much depends on the people themselves in the Donbas.
  13. bob
    bob 29 October 2014 07: 21
    0
    that’s the problem of creating a new government, so what’s it that will quickly form a new government, I just have the feeling that the Russians are starting to tune in to the negative outcome of this situation, I think it's not worth believing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: gingerbread man
      here is the problem of creating a new power

      you know really a problem, and a very large state can be ruined by a perfectly working state, and even now what is now in novorosiya ...
  14. saag
    saag 29 October 2014 07: 23
    +5
    DPR and LPR may have prospects in a "team" with Zaporozhye and Dnipropetrovsk region, coal + iron ore, manganese + metallurgical production + sales of metal-intensive products for the railway, for example, in the Russian Federation
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 29 October 2014 09: 31
      +1
      Right. Donbass itself is a little more than "zero without a stick"
  15. shishakova
    shishakova 29 October 2014 07: 30
    +3
    When the fate of a new state organism is decided, there are always many contradictions.
    Sergey Lavrov is our smartest diplomat, and he doesn’t say too much,
    Now Lavrov calls on the DPR and LPR for elections and has even recognized the new Rada.
    The subtle politician said his word - Russia recognizes New Russia, in what area - it will show the future.
  16. SAM 5
    SAM 5 29 October 2014 07: 32
    +1
    The prospects of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics are extremely foggy. Moreover, with any development of the military-political situation in the region

    Of course, a clear future is not yet visible. But an example is Transnistria. People live, work, study, give birth to children. And this is in the absence of borders with the outside world (except for Moldova and Ukraine). So there are prospects for the normal life of the people in these republics, whoever and what would not say.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 29 October 2014 11: 57
      0
      Quote: SAM 5
      But an example is Transnistria. People live, work, study, give birth to children. And this is in the absence of borders with the outside world (except for Moldova and Ukraine). So there are prospects for the normal life of the people in these republics, whoever and what would not say.

      very bad example. Wait a blockade, and it’s harder to live.
      I would not use this example. Just the lack of borders with the outside world is a geographical minus.
  17. Alexander I
    Alexander I 29 October 2014 07: 38
    0
    In 1917, Russia beat alone and overlaid it from all sides + to this, its bourgeois oppressed as much as they could. It survived and won.
  18. Andrea
    Andrea 29 October 2014 07: 39
    +2
    In short ... What do you propose? Is everything lost, or will we still fight? People are upholding their future there (yes, to some extent, ours too). It is necessary to help, rather than draw speculative conclusions.
  19. Rohon
    Rohon 29 October 2014 07: 55
    +1
    Help openly and not be afraid of any sanctions .........
    Now, only the Ministry of Emergencies in the open helps ...
    This is not enough, very little ...
  20. Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 29 October 2014 07: 59
    +1
    Well, at the expense of humanitarian aid - it’s true, someone got it five times, and someone nirazu. Again, everything is decided by acquaintance and blat
  21. Drunya
    Drunya 29 October 2014 08: 09
    +3
    I’m sitting in incomprehensible situations - there’s a mess there. can someone clarify ??????
    Instead of them - a set of organized, armed groups of various sizes, controlling certain territories of the rebel region. Moreover, often these groups not only do not coordinate their actions, but also come into confrontation with each other.

    Such a situation can be described in one word - chaos.

    Donetsk. Petrovsky district. Stop "cinema" Mir "
    Buses 40A, 42, 58, 60A, 64, 68 stop here


  22. Magadan
    Magadan 29 October 2014 08: 22
    0
    Quote: SHILO
    Explain Fedya to those old people who are now starving in the Donbass (cases of starvation have gone into the tens). Pensions 3 month are not paid. You say humanitarian aid, but have you seen her?


    I am shocked by this information! It's true?!
    This is a slap in the face to all of us ... RUSSIA cannot at least provide pensioners of Donbass with cereals, flour, stew? Guys, we need to raise a scandal ... I honestly hoped that humanitarian convoys would go there at least once a week ... At least so that there would be no hunger !!!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 October 2014 09: 07
      0
      Quote: Magadan
      I honestly hoped that humanitarian convoys would go there at least once a week ... At least so that there would be no hunger !!!

      Wait! So Ukraine will allow! They have already stated that the fourth "pseudo-humanitarian convoy" was sent by Russia, thereby violating our borders and so on blah-blah-blah. Moreover, Kobzon went with the ensemble! This, too, was tied to a humanitarian convoy! He is a spy! Aha!
      Well, to have some fun ...
      KIEV, October 28 - RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian authorities included 14 Russian artists on the non-grata list as part of the sanctions against the Russian Federation, singer Joseph Kobzon, actor Ivan Okhlobystin and satirist Mikhail Zadornov were included in the list, the Ministry of Culture of Ukraine said on Tuesday.

      "Discussions regarding the introduction of sectoral and personal sanctions against cultural figures who openly support Russia in its aggression against Ukraine have been going on since the first such statements. For example, the government recently adopted a list of 14 people who, for their anti-Ukrainian position, have become in our country personami non grata, "- the press service of the ministry said. As noted in the message, the Ministry of Culture does not intend to disclose all the names on the list, referring to international norms.

      Earlier, the adviser to the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Markiyan Lubkivsky said that The SBU in the near future will publish a list of several hundred figures of Russian culture who will be denied entry to Ukraine because of their political position. According to him, the list includes singer Joseph Kobzon and actor Ivan Okhlobystin.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/events/34117-ukraina-zapretila-vezd-na-territoriyu-strany-14
      -rossiyskim-artistam.html


      One can only be glad for the Russian culture and the number of artists with "wrong political views" laughing
    2. alex shnajder
      alex shnajder 29 October 2014 13: 16
      0
      so it is ..... humanitarian aid is spent as a sn, well, those who can hold weapons ... they feed those, or rather who holds, the rest by themselves .... it is unfortunate.
  23. Semenov
    Semenov 29 October 2014 08: 25
    +2
    What elections are there, there is nothing. Rather, it is a matter of political sovereignty, recognition of the republics for the future. But the dictatorship is already there, and the cards are introduced, and the heating will be, and the convoy is on. If Putin said -Novorossiya, so be it.
  24. rassel0889
    rassel0889 29 October 2014 08: 39
    +2
    Video from the 90s!) Already breathtaking.
  25. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 29 October 2014 08: 49
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: RusDV
    Enemy article, of course ... minus her for it

    the real description is not a betrayal, because a hundred times you say halva in your mouth will not become sweeter.

    I am joining. A normal description of real, objectively existing problems. I did not notice that the author tried to persuade our opinion not in favor of the LPR and DPR. But there are problems, of course, but what is it about? Another year has not passed since the beginning of the mess. From scratch it has to work.
    And yet, here in the comments the question was raised, why is the author embarrassed to call these republics a state? And does Ukraine really have more statehood? I dare say that, yes, Ukraine is at least an order of magnitude larger than the state, with all the mess and fucking up.
  26. Horly
    Horly 29 October 2014 09: 03
    +3
    The most important problem of Novorossiya, despite the war, is the lack of ideology, in other words - what, in fact, are we fighting for? What will happen next, even if we win? Again, guys like Akhmetov, or the Russian oligarchy (which, however, are the same in essence) will come and continue to rob the people! By the way, the Reds won the civil war largely thanks to a distinct and accepted by the majority of ideology (land for peasants, factories for workers, etc.). Now the problem of ideology has been driven to hell and this has been done largely thanks to the liberal scoundrels from the Kremlin. After all, Russia has the same problem, which largely determines the behavior of the authorities in Russia and prevents the building of Great Russia, which, like the Russian Empire and Soviet Russia, will become a center of attraction for other peoples. In the meantime, Russia has an ideology of "worship of Mamon" and the liberals are ruling the ball, there will be no intelligible development policy in Russia itself, especially in territorial entities with an incomprehensible status of "unrecognized republics." And the construction of the vertical of power is entirely dependent on Russia, therefore, taking into account the above, in the DPR-LPR we have what we have. That is, in other words, it is ideology that gives rise to power, and not vice versa. Now in Novorossi I see only one person who understands this problem - this is Alexey Mozgovoy! Is this why the traitors from the Kremlin are trying so hard to keep him out of power?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 October 2014 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Horly
      Now in Novorossi I see only one person who understands this problem - this is Alexey Mozgovoy! Isn't that why the traitors from the Kremlin are trying so hard to prevent him from taking power?

      +++++! You are absolutely right! Therefore, these elections are alarming, as if there was no agreement with the oligarchs.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 29 October 2014 10: 26
        +7
        And Strelkov said that he trusted only Brain.
    2. vrach
      vrach 29 October 2014 09: 19
      -1
      In Transnistria, it was just as bad.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 09: 36
        -1
        Excuse me, what did you do?
        Transnistria completely depends on Russia
        1. vrach
          vrach 29 October 2014 11: 33
          +1
          Transnistria if you look at geography is completely isolated from Russia and even so depends on Russia. Nowadays -
          1. They cleared their ranks of random people, some of whom surfaced in other parts of the world, including for a while in HP. Surnames can be given, but publications need to be raised for this, there is no time.
          2. Oddly enough, the state of industry in the Transnistrian Republic is currently better than in Moldova itself, and now Ukraine. In fact, the second Belarus. That is, the money invested in them, they actually beat off, unlike the same Abkhazia and Ossetia.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 29 October 2014 12: 20
            0
            Quote: vrach
            Transnistria if you look at geography is completely isolated from Russia and even so depends on Russia. Nowadays -

            that’s why if you remember the parcels the first thing they did was block Transnistria, don’t tell me what kind of currency is there, what is sold for export and where is what turnover
  27. Cat man null
    Cat man null 29 October 2014 09: 52
    +2
    IMHA on the topic "why do we need elections in the DPR / LPR"

    Put yourself in your place .. well, Putin, for example ..

    - I would very much like to "recognize" these "republics", simply because otherwise they will be crushed and the "horses" will switch directly to Russia (Crimea, as an option)
    - BUT (!!!): to recognize something, so far, there is no one .. there is no power there, as such, so "salad with lake mushrooms" (c) Strugatsky
    - elections will give a certain "power", formally elected people
    - this, in turn, will make it possible to recognize not even the republics as such, but this government, at least
    - and this - will provide an opportunity to legally provide assistance, any.

    Something like that.
  28. pensioner
    pensioner 29 October 2014 11: 27
    +1
    The prospects of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics are extremely foggy.
    So what? And the prospects for Ukraine itself, which are: transparent, like a tear of a child, or what ?? And what about the prospects for the EU? What about the USA?
    On the whole, it is extremely doubtful that the "DPR" - "LPR" have any chances of survival in their current organizational form and size.
    Well, well ... Would you, the Author, from Transnistria would ask if you would choose: an enclave option in a hostile environment or territory with a common border with Russia? But they survived and live just according to the first option.
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 29 October 2014 12: 02
    +1
    MDA video of course impressed. People with guns at stops ...
    It's all rotten ...
    People, what are you holding on to Transnistria’s example? Take an interest in what they have there. There the bird will not fly by. And it’s hard for them to boil in their own juice.
    There is no doubt that the PMR depends on the Russian Federation. But when the time came to remember them, they were in a severe blockade. And the RF can’t do anything .. the favorable buffer was about .. PMR was cut off.
    1. nvv
      nvv 29 October 2014 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      It's all rotten ...

      Something looks like a staged one. The boars, there is no other word, stamp on the head of a puny little boy, and after a while he gets up and starts pumping right again. Where have I seen this before. Hollywood?
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 29 October 2014 21: 26
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      PMR is cut off.

      But viable. Is not it? And how many years is viable? And what is the ratio of the welfare of the PMR and the RM on 29.10. 2014? So that: do not need 3.14 ... yes And you, Ukraine, in its current borders, to the PMR, like cancer to the spring. yes
  30. vtnsk
    vtnsk 29 October 2014 12: 18
    +1
    It was enough to see where the author himself came from and draw the appropriate conclusions on the fact of what was written. The obvious desire to pass off "wishful thinking" ... laughing
  31. PWG
    PWG 29 October 2014 13: 24
    +1
    No matter how some Kremlin leaders would like to merge Novorossia, they will not succeed, or they will make such a problem on their own ... that will not seem enough.
    Therefore, Kiev-Galich fascism must be defeated! Safe fascist - only dead !!!
  32. Prager
    Prager 29 October 2014 15: 10
    +1
    the spirit of the people of New Russia will show the prospects of the republic. Who is strong in spirit, he has already half won.
  33. vlad223
    vlad223 29 October 2014 19: 04
    0
    Professor of the University of California, Berkeley, Edward Walker, who studies the so-called frozen conflicts, expressed the opinion: Crimea and Donbass will never be part of the "nenki". Moreover, it is no longer necessary to sing "Putin-lalolo" and convince each other of the imminent end of Putin's regime and the collapse of imperial Russia - she will still admire the sunset of Ukraine by hand. Ukraine does not yet have mechanisms to return Donbass. Answering the question what can help Ukraine return the eastern territories, Walker noted: "I am always careful to say it is impossible. But in the Ukrainian case, I do not see such mechanisms yet. Today I do not see a way how Ukraine could return Donbass in what something for the foreseeable future. " The United States has lost interest in the "Ukraine project", Happy End! (C)
  34. kuz363
    kuz363 29 October 2014 19: 24
    -1
    They wanted and want to solve their problems of power at the expense of Russia. Today, the information said that they organized the Academy of Sciences in Donetsk. Apparently they have nothing more to do. Moreover, Russia was so framed that, in any case, it would be the losing side. Both politically and economically. Do you really believe that they are able to at least feed themselves? Sit in subsidies of Russia, ka and other independent republics-Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria ... Russia is rich, everything will endure.