Half of the soldiers from the scientific company of the East Kazakhstan region decided to link their lives with the army

Half of the military personnel (30 people) of a scientific company of the Aerospace Defense Forces decided to continue research work in the interests of the RF Armed Forces, reports RIA News with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

The military company creates a scientific company with 2013. Soldiers with a scientific specialty and wishing to engage in scientific developments in the interests of the army are called up for service.

“From 60, military personnel of the scientific company 8 will continue research activities ... in universities and research departments of the EKR Troops under contract for officer positions, 5 is also interested in serving in the military missions of the Ministry of Defense. In addition, 17 servicemen of a scientific company plan to continue their scientific activities at defense companies, ”the report indicates.

According to the press service, "soldiers-scientists" only "for the third quarter of this year submitted for consideration 30 rationalization proposals, and also prepared a scientific article 21".

Two servicemen of the company - corporal Daniel Medvedev and Alexander Voevodsky - were awarded with the medal "For achievements in the field of development of innovative technologies."

In total, around 300 people serve in scientific companies in Russia. How many of them will continue to serve in the army or will go to work in the defense industry complex, the Ministry of Defense does not report.

Comments

[GRANATE-19]

Act !!!

[Giant thought]

Here is the answer to all the skeptics who circled this good initiative of the military.

[MIV999]

For some reason I remembered the tsar's phrase from "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession":
- That's what the life-giving cross does !!!
Well, if without jokes, then the act of these young and promising guys is the best evidence of a significant increase in the authority of service in the army and for the good of the Fatherland !!! ...

[Finches]

I continue to serve, and went through all the steps of the career ladder - from a soldier of military service, through the school, platoon commander, company, battalion ..., I got to teaching at the Higher School, and I will tell you frankly, naturally emphasizing only my opinion is nonsense ! Nonsense! Or let's just say that if we start using facts, we ask one question - how did the scientific companies justify themselves? How many rats. proposals, how many patents, what is the share of participation of these military personnel in research and development work? Even in terms of psychology, soldiers serve a year! Yes, he only adapts for six months, remembers which side of the barracks the toilet is! He would come to his senses in a new place, and not just write a new theory of relativity!
And the fact that a large number has remained to serve God knows what positions, in a large city and in full state pension, is this not surprising with the current unemployment in civilian life and good contentment in the army, but what will be their return in terms of science in the future ?? All the same, this is a dubious enterprise!
We had a wonderful military science school! The best in the world! Here it is necessary to think about its restoration! But money is necessary. Of course, we can imagine that sifting through a sieve of scientific companies of promising children, we will catch Korolev and Kurchatov, but is the game worth the candle?

[aviamed90]

Finches

Do you think no one understands this?

Yes, most understand that all this is nonsense.

What science is there, God forgive me? ...

[Finches]

But such bravura comments !?

[aviamed90]

Finches

Having a secondary education (11 classes) and an incomplete higher education impossible to do science.
This is clear to any sane person.

Of course, even now we probably have Kulibins, but there are only a few of them, not companies.

Science needs in-depth knowledge, a scientific base (laboratory, research institute, design bureau, etc., and not just a computer), great practical or theoretical experience on the topic, etc.

The soldiers from the "scientific" companies have none of this.

And I would like to get acquainted with the topics of their "scientific" "rationalization proposals" and "scientific articles" (by the way, articles cannot strengthen the country's defense). Maybe all these topics are secret?
But can a scientific direction be voiced?

And if a really capable guy, then you need to start from the end of the university, then a specialized research institute (from the post of junior research assistant), well, etc. Then (under certain conditions) there will be sense and real, not mythical result.

As for the bravura comments, I don’t even know what to say.
They write about what they have no idea ...

[Gronsky]

Quote: aviamed90

And if a really capable guy, then you need to start from the end of the university, then a specialized research institute (from the post of junior research assistant), well, etc. Then (under certain conditions) there will be sense and real, not mythical result.

It’s just that the companies from universities are recruited into scientific companies, and it was under the service of students that they were created. In order not to shoot the sparrows from the cannon, i.e. not involve students in linear parts. The article clearly states how many of them will go further to military-scientific organizations, how many by the path of military representatives, how many to enterprises of the military-industrial complex. So the thing is worthwhile, especially for future military engineers, engineers - a service at the intersection of theory and practice. Naturally, this does not remove the task of rebuilding a military scientific school, the staff of which we thoroughly lost out and scientific companies are not the worst decision for this, if not the best in the current situation.

[aviamed90]

Gronsky

Let's first define the terms?

What do you mean by the words "military science school"?

[aviamed90]

There is military science and military education.

What do you have in mind?

[Gronsky]

Quote: aviamed90

What do you mean by the words "military scientific school"?

This is exactly what I mean, that is, the totality of specific methods, approaches and techniques inherent only to this particular phenomenon, to conduct fundamental scientific research and applied development.

[aviamed90]

Gronsky

Such a concept officially does not exist. By this concept is meant more likely a military science. Russian is rich.

Once again: there is military science и military education.

The definitions of these concepts can be viewed (to talk about the same thing), but at least, in Wikipedia.

And do you seriously think that the "scientific" soldiers are related to one of them?

If you mean "rationalization" proposals on technical issues, then specialized research institutes, design bureaus, etc. are engaged in this.
That is, the military-industrial complex (MIC), but not the RF Ministry of Defense.

[Gronsky]

Quote: aviamed90

And do you seriously think that the "scientific" soldiers are related to one of them?

Rather, I believe that in the current situation in this area it is absolutely not important and secondary how all this will be called and vice versa it is extremely important to attract as much fresh young blood as possible. And the so-called scientific companies, as an additional tool - why not. These are not circles for the promotion of same-sex marriages, but a tool for involving young people in joint work to increase defense capabilities. And in vain you are ironic calling them rationalization, talent even at this level will show itself.

[aviamed90]

Gronsky

Great concept!

"It doesn't matter that they are completely useless - but they are young!"

And for some reason you were too lazy to read the definition of "military science".
And in vain!

Therefore, our argument has reached a dead end.

[4thParasinok]

2Gronsky, to read a small self-worthy article, this does not mean to understand the issue. In these companies, university students are recruited in which there is no department with a guarantee that during their studies they will not have time to forget everything. They are not scientists, but just students who do not have serious knowledge in the specialty. And then instead of studying, they immediately offer an officer position ... And then I hope you can understand what the author of the article advertises.

[Gronsky]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

And then I hope you can understand what the author of the article advertises.

Well, YOU and explain the wise guy.

[4thParasinok]

super, instead of continuing to study immediately with specialists at the factory or in the army, however. After the second third year they are such specialists, just a fairy tale .... Well, when you start to think with your head and not advertising diapers.

[Vita_vko]

Quote: aviamed90

And I would like to get acquainted with the topics of their "scientific" "rationalization proposals"

Judging by the fact that we are talking about the East Kazakhstan region, it is most likely that these scientific companies are located in the Tver Academy of the East Kazakhstan region. And there the only serious direction for such "scientists" is "Spectrum". This is a very powerful software and mathematical complex for simulating combat operations. Just half a year is enough time for the soldiers to study the interface, and another half a year to learn how to fill in the database and simulate elementary tactical situations. Officers with big stars do not do this from their hands, but unfortunately there is no other modeling complex capable of predicting the ground and aerospace situation in advance.

[wanderer987]

Yes, it is worth it, it will definitely be worth it, it's not about dressing each person who comes to "HP" BUT YOUNG BLOOD WITH A GOOD PORTION OF FRESH YEAST NOT WHEN IT DOES NOT INTERFERE on the standing "lake of old" crucians "let them go in circles on the water, maybe not all will reach the coast, but those who will reach it may well give a completely new and mature idea of ​​solving an old or new set task due not to the conservatism of the "brain"!

[Aleksey_K]

You’d better tell me how officers in the Army become scientists. I served as a combat officer. The service has nothing to do with the scientific development of the mind. How do they become scientists from a combat officer? If it does, then only a few out of thousands of officers. It’s just that the Army had a different principle for creating scientific personnel — through civilian universities. But these were purely civilians in officer uniform. It’s like at a factory in the USSR, the director, who had maximum sergeant marks in the army, suddenly becomes automatically a general.

[Vita_vko]

Quote: Алексей_К

You’d better tell me how officers in the Army become scientists

Military scientists are truly a calling. Many people understand this term as candidates and doctors of military sciences. Who really do things that are completely different from everything. They become military scientists, namely candidates and doctors of technical sciences, when a military engineer passes the troops and in the process of service realizes that his hands and head are capable of much more than a simple organization of refurbishment of complex weapons. It is then that the formation of a real scientist engineer takes place, who begins to ask questions of how to improve this or that system. But unfortunately, commanders are very reluctant to release such competent specialists for further study at the academy and postgraduate studies. It is very beneficial for them when someone can make candy from "der..ma". Therefore, it is almost very difficult to break into science from the troops and with the existing shortage of specialists. And what are you talking about civil scientists and universities, where students are dragged out by the scruff of the neck and sent to do their duty, from which they have been excused all these years, so these are ordinary "jackets" far from practice and almost always from theory.

[aviamed90]

Finches

Here you are complaining:

"We had a wonderful military scientific school! The best in the world! You need to think about its restoration! But you need money."

And I totally agree with you.
And here is the money:

"FIFA will not give Russia offense and will not allow national teams to boycott the 2018 FIFA World Cup," the head of the federation, Joseph Blatter, promised Vladimir Putin. On Tuesday, he and the president visited the Luzhniki stadium, which was closed for reconstruction, and took part in a meeting of the organizing committee of the World Cup. Russia intends to do their job better than Brazil. will exceed 660 billion rubles, of which 2 billion will go to free fans' travel. "

(site "www.mk.ru", article "Tougher than the Olympics. Putin assured: 664 billion rubles for the World Cup will be spent on time" from 28.10.14)

[4thParasinok]

my friends and I were indignant at the fact that in the country they could not find money for a bunch of pressing problems, but for that they were allotting for an unnecessary championship or buying US government bonds.

[Juborg]

Campaign for mere pennies, returns from these guys are hundreds of times more than from the whole Skolkovo.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: juborg

Campaign for mere pennies, returns from these guys are hundreds of times more than from the whole Skolkovo.

Torn off the tongue.

[Blondy]

Obviously, the guys have a very interesting and promising work.
It’s not necessary to breed a lot under the patronage of the oligarchs, but to create a system, even if it’s on a bvz of the Ministry of Defense — the military in almost every region has its own material and technical base — so that talented children have a chance to realize themselves in any place.

[max702]

And here is another reason to stay in the army ..
The Russian military introduced fat into the diet
With the onset of cold weather, a portion of Russian-made bacon fat supplemented the diet of servicemen of the Central Military District (CVD), Colonel Yaroslav Roshchupkin, an official representative of the Central Military District, told Interfax.

"... a snack is served for breakfast, lunch or dinner six days a week, except for the day of making dumplings, when a 20-gram portion of bacon is replaced by 17,5-gram processed cheese," he said.

http://lifenews.ru/news/143614

[Genur]

Similarly, in the Ukrainians - there is fat, no mind.

[DDR]

The country and the army need smart people, the main thing is not to lose them!

[Wiruz]

Well, who was Shoigu hail here a year ago? "Why do we need these scientific companies? .. Sawing the dough ... it would be better to do business ..." Get the result

[Massik]

According to the press service, "soldiers-scientists" only "for the third quarter of this year submitted for consideration 30 rationalization proposals, and also prepared a scientific article 21".

It is advisable to first read the content of the nth articles and suggestions.

[Juborg]

I think the ram, they won’t offer, the people are smart, they’ll understand what's what, and certainly the integral will not be called an intriguer. This is by the way dear Marssik. But seriously, they almost all continue their university work in conjunction with the Armed Forces. The rectors of universities and institutes recommended many of them, so you can forget about bullshit, this is not Skolkovo for you.

[Massik]

How to know, how to know I would like to make sure.

[4thParasinok]

I completely agree, otherwise it turns out that "the cuckoo praises the nightingale, for the fact that he praises the cuckoo .."

[kush62]

So the work was to my liking.

[ia-ai00]

Well done boys!
I am sure they will bring great benefit to Russia!

[work67]

Well, right. Good conditions. Normal perspective in life. Serve only honestly and everything will be.

[Abbra]

Wow! This is the very fresh, young blood that will renew the army!

[Lissyara]

Give brains to military science! We miss them very much after the Taburetov "reform" with the Scientific Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense.

[Lyolik]

The soldiers, scientists are young, active, and prepared scientific articles in the field of innovative technologies, great.
Good luck to you guys !!! You are the future of our country.

[Kovlad]

Shoigu, senior lieutenant of the construction battalion with the brains of the Marshal! Man. who, first of all, is responsible for his work. Sergei Kuzhugetovich! All the best wishes! You deserve the title "Marshal"!

[Yuriy Nikolayevich]

Shoigu spoke about the influx of people who want to serve under the contract
MOSCOW, October 28 - RIA News. Already in September, the Russian army could fulfill the annual plan for the recruitment of contractors and was forced to take measures to deter those who wish, which speaks of increasing the prestige of military service in the Russian Federation, said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Tuesday
“We already started to contain in September, because a large flow of people who want to (serve) in the army, this cannot but please us. In fact, in September we could already fulfill the plan for this year and partially next year, ”Shoigu said at a meeting of the public council under the Ministry of Defense.

According to him, the prestige of contract service has reached such a level that people resort to various tricks in order to become contractors.

“In September, we started the first bad cases - the first criminal cases for giving a bribe for accepting the military commissar for contract service, this has never happened before,” said Shoigu.

According to the minister, people began to resort to such actions in connection with the decision taken by the country's leadership to increase the level of monetary allowance in the army.

“It’s not necessary to give bribes for this, you have every opportunity to enter the contact service by going through our selection commissions,” the minister recommended those wishing to serve under the contract.

In connection with the current situation, it is necessary to pay attention not to the number of employees, but to their “quality”, the head of the Ministry of Defense concluded.
http://news.mail.ru/politics/19971133/?frommail=1

[Mountain shooter]

Shoigu is not involved in cutting. He is building the defense of Russia. Which deserves all respect. Serdyukov would still be on an aspen. Steamed with his fat passion.

[Aleksey_K]

I support you. If Shoigu was engaged in theft, then journalists would have unearthed this, on a tip from envious people and enemies.

[4thParasinok]

he is engaged in sawing and not only. For what do you think he in 1993 from reserve lieutenants immediately became a reserve general, for what "special services to the fatherland in a difficult time"? And the creation of an entire department for a daughter is called (we will not discuss its effectiveness now, it is more important for what and how). And the fact that in the Ministry of Emergency Situations there are more armchair colonels than real rescuers, and how do they actually work, do you know? And what is going on in the army now? Well, at least with the supplies of the uniform? After all, the very first official claims against Serdyukov began with the uniform ...

[4thParasinok]

this is offhand:
https://lurkmore.to/%D1%E5%F0%E3%E5%E9_%D8%EE%E9%E3%F3

In the 91st, Kozheedovich defended the White House along with Borey Yeltsin, since then he received 100% of the trust from the authorities. However, this was not enough, and in 93 he brought for EBN supporters a truckload of machine guns taken from the Grob Nerezinova warehouses then controlled by him and intended to equip the Moscow militia in the event of a war. Such a deflection was counted and Kozhugetych forever received the status of the godfather of Russian democracy and a life post in the government.
In general, his career is a positive career. A rare minister can be proud to have invented the Ministry. Shoigu was invented by the Ministry of Emergencies (such ministries are not common in other countries, they somehow manage without them).
Even in the 1990s, Shoigu realized that the future of this country is in emergency situations (emergency), and he was right, emergency is the main informational reason for mentioning this country in the media of other countries.
...
Fathers and Sons in the Ministry of Emergencies: The Ministry of Emergency Situations' Psychological Service was established in 1999. Quite by accident, Kuzhugetovich’s daughter graduated from the Faculty of Psychology that year. Apparently, turning to the labor exchange, she got a referral to the Ministry of Emergencies, and since then she has been working there.
It works, I must say, not bad - after 2 years, became the deputy director, and a year later, completely SUDDENLY became the director of this service.
Obviously, Kuzhugetovich did not know anything and was pleasantly surprised when he once met his daughter on a planning meeting. Then Yulia Sergeyevna worked even harder and earned the popular medal of the Order of Merit for this country 2, Also defended her thesis. Almost all the merits are in one place.

Under the leadership of the daughter of the minister, the service was so strong that even their lack of knowledge of the language was not a barrier when they worked abroad. Even the Chinese bowed their heads before them.
The psychological service of the Ministry of Emergencies can also be attributed to the inventions of the Shoigu family now. In the West, at one time, psychologists came up with psychoanalysts to earn more money. In Russia, psychologists came up with the psychological service of the Ministry of Emergencies, where funding comes directly from the state budget. By the way, in other countries volunteers work in similar services, and not at all for budget money.
In addition, the brave army general dragged his sister, also Kozhugetovna, also Shoigu to the State Duma. She started, of course, in Tuva. However, in the context of the growth of the Ministry of Emergencies, a shortage of qualified specialists was manifested. That is why Kozhugetovna Shoigu began to oversee in 2001-2007 the insurance medicine of the Ministry of Emergencies. The bread field, because the polyclinics of the Ministry of Emergencies are one of the highest quality budget-guzzlers in Russia. Apparently tired of dealing with insurance medicine, Kozhugetovna took up politics and went to United Russia in the State Duma.

[tasha]

Does anyone have the opportunity to describe how scientific work is organized in such companies. Just wondering. I can only assume that the young scientists with the task to give a result became the leader-commanders of such areas.

Because in the existing scientific teams there is a place to be a lot of things that are not always good for the cause.

[kotev19]

This is the best choice! I remembered my youth ...

[Freelancer7]

The photo somehow inspires suspicion - the pointer is almost a cudgel, even with a bloodied end. Faces are harsh! In general, how all this does not harmonize with "Half of the soldiers from the scientific company of the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces decided to link their lives with the army." I think the word - voluntarily-compulsorily absent. :))))))))

[Aleksey_K]

I served as an officer, and from constant lack of sleep my face was also too harsh towards the soldiers. What do you want, they also do not get enough sleep. No one has been exempted from military service, physical training and other workload, therefore, the faces are serious.

[crambol]

“Of the 60 military personnel of the scientific company, 8 will continue their research activities ... in universities and research departments of the East Kazakhstan region under contract on officer posts, another 5 are interested in the service in the military missions of the Ministry of Defense. In addition, 17 servicemen of the scientific company plan to continue their scientific activities at the enterprises of the defense industry complex ”,

Awesome! Sumptuously! Of the sixty thirty will serve in the specialty! Higher education, where are you, AU!

[Anchonsha]

Kuzhugetovich great health for creating scientific companies in the armed forces of Russia !!! Our Minister of Defense is smart and deserves all praise !!! Thus, how much he will reveal talents and future scientists for our country !!!

[Bayun]

I would have been younger, I would have gone to such a "sharashka" myself. Today, science can really only be pulled out by the State Services and enterprises with state participation. Now, if the methodology of acquiring knowledge had left the pseudoscientific obscurantism of atheism-materialism ... Although, on the other hand, perhaps, without the 200-year-old materialistic brake, this planet would have been dead.

[Aleksey_K]

And I think atheism-materialism has nothing to do with science. These are philosophical categories. But religious organizations certainly never developed science. 2 For thousands of years, the Christian church has destroyed scientists. But it made good use of the fire, the rack, the quartering, and other methods of destroying scientists. This of course, in your opinion, is not obscurantism. And scientists until the 20 century were not materialistic atheists, they regularly baptized, prayed, and went to temples.

[4thParasinok]

deep knowledge of religion and history ...
The same Copernicus was burned not for scientific, but for political activity ... In published by I.V. The formidable "homebuilding" describes microbes "... because there (in the swampy lowlands), due to humidity and lack of air movement, many small creatures invisible to the eye appear, but from which most diseases originate."
Catholicism should not be confused, as far back as 1054, Christianity itself had broken away from Christianity. I am generally silent about Protestants; they did not stand next to Christianity.

[wanderer987]

My wish to the young "falcons" really wants to be called affectionately "falcons" because of their age, no offense, as they say, let them grow up to "eagles" with big stars on their epaulettes and so that under the "blue of their wings" a worthy new generation who knows "WORD, HONOR, MOTHERLAND, DUTY, WORD, OFFICER, the word of Men!" and the most important thing is that when they retire, walking down the street, even they are not their hometown or village, so that in their eyes there is a spark of life and optimism that young people look at and look back at them!

[APASUS]

In this news, of course, you can see different reasons for such an act, but what can’t be argued, the people joined the army. So, for the last 20 years, service in the RF Armed Forces has become prestigious.

[Finches]

Now, if they went, for example, to the village of Bilitui, the Trans-Baikal Military District, now East, then this is an act!
And the fact that they remained in Voronezh is natural!

[APASUS]

Quote: Finches

Now, if they went, for example, to the village of Bilitui, the Trans-Baikal Military District, now East, then this is an act!
And the fact that they remained in Voronezh is natural!

According to your words, they are drinking coffee on deck chairs in Varonezh but not serving? And on the other hand, for example, how many military space communications programmers are needed in the village of Bilitui, Trans-Baikal Military District.

[Finches]

Let's agree that on this issue I’m a bit in the subject, by the nature of the service! Therefore, my negative position is connected, including from knowledge.
Let there be these very scientific companies - in the end, there were always BOUPs at military educational institutions, for some reason dispersed by Serdyukov, as well as the higher military educational institutions themselves. BOUP is a training process support battalion. But it’s pathetic to talk about scientific achievements and research, at least over the top!

[djsa1]

And where else besides the army they pay money? Especially in science)

[aviamed90]

djsa1

Well, probably in Gazprom, Rosneft, the State Duma ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: MIV999

the best evidence of a significant increase in the authority of service in the army and for the good of the Fatherland !!!

It would be nice to introduce the development of young and initiative guys!
"So that it would not be offensive for the wasted years!"

[djsa1]

Have you been to the patent office for a long time ?, there are thousands of these developments gathering dust on the shelves, but they don’t go any further.

[aviamed90]

djsa1

This is true.

But after all "these" developments and articles have a loud name "scientific".

[faterdom]

The highlight of the project is that collected, albeit involuntarily, in tightly connected conditions (24 hours a day, 7 days a week, communication with each other, and, not really with anyone else), unobtrusive, talented, educated guys, and even having some specific interesting tasks - and so, they will solve them, and perhaps not trivially.
This was proved by the Stalinist sharashkas described by Solzhenitsyn, these are the Kurchatov and royal projects ...
It is possible, it must be done. Unstamped youth in such a close hive helps each other to shake the horizons of thinking, the influence on each other is very strong and non-linear.
Only, for God's sake - don't send the majors out there because of the pull, these "elite" coves, but purely according to the mind, selection is the criterion.

[Aandrewsir]

Good news! The brains of the army are needed. And the defense industry. Probably creating scientific mouths is not a bad idea. I believe every male has a duty to serve! And if you can't learn well the military craft, in which you need to use strength and dexterity, work with your brains, not forgetting about general military disciplines.

[aszzz888]

I think that everyone benefits from this. A military scientist is very honorable and respectful.

[Yarik]

aviamed90 SU Yesterday, 21:06 PM ↑ New
Finches

Do you think no one understands this?

Yes, most understand that all this is nonsense.

What science is there, God forgive me? ...





Five points !!! A plus.

[SveTok]

Well, and the young were built and the army strengthened.