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It's time for them to get used to the Russian Crimea!

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October 25 on the central square of Kirkenes (Norway) gathered a lot of people. King Harald V, Prime Minister Erna Solberg and Foreign Minister Berge Brende arrived in the city. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was present on the square. National festivities in Norway were devoted to the 70 anniversary of the liberation of the province of Finnmark from the fascist occupation. Soviet troops entered Kirkenes on October 25 of 1944.

It's time for them to get used to the Russian Crimea!


Comrade Lavrov laid wreaths at the monument to the Soviet Soldier-Liberator in Kirkenes. “Thank you for what you did, helping the Soviet soldiers, the Norwegian comrades; fought together; nothing will replace the martial fraternity. From our people, from our president, I want to convey to you the lowest bow of the earth and the wish of all the best, most importantly, health, ” "BFM" the words of the head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs addressed to veterans.

Our minister and his Norwegian colleague talked to veterans of the Norwegian resistance and those people who in childhood survived the last weeks of the war in a mining mine equipped for asylum.

“I was then ten years old, I was so small here ... Probably it was scary there, but we were children and did not understand everything, we even had fun. I remember the day when we rose to the surface, literally came to light. At the entrance stood a human figure - it was one of the Soviet soldiers who liberated us. We were very happy. Then I learned the first Russian words, but I will not tell you which ones ”, - quotes "Russian newspaper" Rolf Christiansen

Later, Comrade Lavrov admitted that conversations with the Norwegian veterans, and all the celebrations "were very touching and emotional."

“I am deeply grateful to the Norwegians for this atmosphere and for the respect for the memory of those who fell, freeing Finnmark,” said Sergey Lavrov. “The militant brotherhood of the two nations has become one of the foundations of good neighborly relations between the two countries.

The minister found it necessary to remind the Norwegians that Norway “joined the unilateral restrictive measures against Russia”, which does not benefit the contacts of Moscow and Oslo. Lavrov pointed out that Oslo made a similar decision: “This was done for reasons that, as we understand, are outside of Norway. Nevertheless, we see a mutual interest in developing the economy, jointly addressing environmental issues, nuclear and radiation safety, and cross-border cooperation. ” He expressed the wish that in relations between the two states "common sense should prevail, and countries should act on the basis of their own national interests, and not external pressure."

On the eve of the celebrations in Kirkenes, the Norwegian edition "Aftenposten" devoted an article to the relations of Norway and Russia. And it came to the conclusion: the anti-Russian front is weakening in the world.

One of the cornerstones of world politics in the article called the "big question" about the approximation of the "normalization of relations between Russia and the West." With a clarification: isn't it time for the West to “get used to living” under the “annexed” Crimea?

The fact is that a single “front” against Russia simply does not exist. There are disagreements among NATO and EU member states, and they are especially noticeable when it comes to the United States. It shows, the browser writes, that Barack Obama failed to form the “common front” that he had previously spoken about.

As for Mother Europe, for example, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban finds Putin's Russia a political model to follow.

Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico clearly spoke out against the deployment of NATO forces in the country. And he didn’t just speak out, but compared him with ... the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968!

By the way, the Czech Minister of Defense Martin Stropnitsky holds a similar opinion.

These countries that participated in disputes over EU sanctions played the role of "brake pads", and also contributed to the discrepancy between the US and Europe on issues relating to relations with Russia.

Finally, recently the new Polish premier Eva Kopach, speaking in parliament, told deputies about the unreality of goals in the Ukrainian conflict.

And that is not all. The reviewer points out that “new motifs” are already sounding in the USA.

For example, journalist Andrew Roth (“The Washington Post”), which specializes in foreign policy issues, draws the attention of readers to the fact that some of the former communist countries under President Bush who actively supported the United States in the matter of the war with Iraq have now slowed down Listen to the White House.

What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States.

Even the new NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who is looking intently at the east, is believed to have weakened the anti-Russian rhetoric.

The publication reminds that already at its first press conference, he pointed out the possibility of holding a new meeting at the level of the heads of foreign ministries in the Russia-NATO Council. The publication asks a question: did the “difference in style” of Jens Stoltenberg and his predecessor Anders Fogh Rasmussen show up here, or is there a warming coming between Russia and the West?

As for the European sanctions against Russia, then, reminds the newspaper, Norway joined after the "annexation of the Crimean peninsula." However, today the tone of the government has changed.

The government wants to strengthen relations with Russia, including developing well-established contacts and "further developing relations in the sphere of bilateral cooperation." All these statements suggest that a further foreign policy strategy does not provide for the support of sanctions against Russia.

Thus, by his statement on the day of the seventieth anniversary of the liberation of the province of Finnmark from the fascist occupation, the Russian foreign minister, one might say, put a geopolitical point: making it clear to the Norwegian government that the time for non-independent decisions was a thing of the past and it was time to make decisions based on the interests of their own, not wishes of overseas partners, for whom Norway can be a bargaining chip in anti-Russian politics.

Comrade Lavrov is absolutely right: common sense must prevail. It's time to stop dancing to the tune of the Washington "hegemon."

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  1. sssla
    sssla 29 October 2014 08: 18
    +43
    What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States.
    Simple answer . They are afraid of Russia but they do not hope for NATO and the USA)
    And I would like to understand Russia.
    1. MIV999
      MIV999 29 October 2014 08: 26
      +26
      And I would like to understand Russia.

      This is unlikely ... When their media howl all day about the Russian "threat", then, alas, there is no need to hope for understanding. request ...
      So they sit ... they are afraid fool ...
      1. comprochikos
        comprochikos 29 October 2014 09: 49
        +7
        Our strength is in truth. Sooner or later they will understand
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 29 October 2014 14: 36
          +23
          Our strength is only in the army, navy and the Strategic Missile Forces. Russia has a lot of "friends", but Russian soldiers have to die for them ... So, let's go, there are interests of Russia.
          1. ddd1975
            ddd1975 30 October 2014 12: 10
            +4
            The power is in truth ... the army, navy, etc. these are good arguments and our friends.
          2. rodevaan
            rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 30
            0
            Quote: anomalocaris
            Our strength is only in the army, navy and the Strategic Missile Forces. Russia has a lot of "friends", but Russian soldiers have to die for them ... So, let's go, there are interests of Russia.


            - That's right. We don’t need to love us, we are not universal mothers — but EVERYTHING should be afraid and respected! As with the Union. And this is quite enough to provide and guarantee a clear blue sky over the Russian people, so that the western dirty nose would not go here again. And with the rest - we can handle it ourselves.
        2. Shur
          Shur 29 October 2014 23: 20
          0
          Sooner or later, the truth will certainly come to them!
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 29 October 2014 09: 52
        +9
        Quote: sssla
        And I would like to understand Russia.


        Quote: MIV999
        their media howl all day about the Russian "threat", then hope for understanding, alas, is not necessary


        For some reason, these lines came to my mind.

        The mind cannot understand Russia.
        You can not measure the general with a general.
        She has a special to become.
        You can only believe in Russia!

        Lines of the great Russian poet Fedor Tyutchev.
        1. stalfal
          stalfal 29 October 2014 10: 04
          +14
          If they don’t want to understand, let them be afraid.
          1. MIV999
            MIV999 29 October 2014 10: 17
            +5
            This is exactly drinks ... By the way, most people are afraid of the incomprehensible belay
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 27
              0
              Quote: MIV999
              This is exactly drinks ... By the way, most people are afraid of the incomprehensible belay


              - Exactly. Putin is still silent.
          2. Arberes
            Arberes 29 October 2014 10: 23
            +1
            Quote: stalfal
            If they don’t want to understand, let them be afraid.

            Yes, actually this is how the world works. Brute force is an indispensable attribute to respect and understanding, nothing new.
            I just want to clarify that these words refer only to those countries that pursue an independent and independent policy. Perhaps this is why some countries are eager for a powerful argument in the form of a nuclear baton or at least a helping hand.
        2. The point
          The point 29 October 2014 14: 55
          +2
          Is it possible in a humorous manner?
          WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND RUSSIA, BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO REDUCE EVERYTHING TO SEXUAL NEUROSIS! wassat

          PS And if they don’t understand, then let them be afraid, if only they wouldn’t mischief.
        3. zhogind
          zhogind 31 October 2014 06: 11
          0
          These are lines from the poem "Who Lives Well in Russia" by Nekrasov, what does Tyutchev have to do with it? The second time you are attributing false authorship.
          1. laogun
            laogun 31 October 2014 13: 34
            0
            The poem was written by Tyutchev on a piece of paper. The original is stored in the Pushkin House (RGALI. F. 505. Op. 1. Unit 32. L. 2. [3]), a copy is in Muranovo [4]. Dated through a note in the album Tyutcheva-Birileva, which contains a copy of the poem. The first publication in 1868.
            Go to school again, esthetic horseradish.
          2. VladVlad
            VladVlad 31 October 2014 13: 35
            0
            "The mind cannot understand Russia ..." - this is Tyutchev, actually.

            Nekrasov also has many lines that are often quoted. For instance:
            "You may not be a poet,
            But you must be a citizen, "
            or
            "There were worse times,
            But it was not mean, "
            or
            "People of serfdom
            Real dogs sometimes:
            The heavier the punishment
            so much dearer to them gentlemen. "
            There is also a masterpiece, the best in world literature, I believe, a description of sexual intercourse:
            "Only the deep night knows
            How did they get along ...
            Straighten you high rye
            Keep the secret sacred! "

            Something like this ...
      3. pies
        pies 29 October 2014 10: 31
        0
        fool Khokhlu not understand
      4. pies
        pies 29 October 2014 10: 35
        +1
        Khokhl not understand! fool
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 29 October 2014 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: pies
          Khokhl not understand! fool

          Well, of course...
          you have to be smart ...
      5. 12423 student
        12423 student 30 October 2014 08: 07
        +1
        Then I learned the first Russian words, but I won’t tell you which
        Oh, these Russians are teaching a child bad words!
      6. The comment was deleted.
      7. Romass
        Romass 31 October 2014 11: 04
        0
        You are right. Understanding, through fear-phasington liquid regional committee overdid.
      8. The comment was deleted.
    2. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 29 October 2014 08: 29
      +6
      Comrade Lavrov is absolutely right: common sense should prevail.

      So it is so .. Here is only "common sense" begins to prevail (in the West) only in one case .. When Russia (USSR, etc.)) is its strong main and reliable ally!
    3. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 29 October 2014 08: 29
      +1
      Comrade Lavrov is absolutely right: common sense should prevail.

      So it is so .. Here is only "common sense" begins to prevail (in the West) only in one case .. When Russia (USSR, etc.)) is its strong main and reliable ally!
    4. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 29 October 2014 08: 53
      +1
      Quote: sssla
      They are afraid of Russia
      - So this is the United States and scared us all! hi
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 October 2014 09: 14
      0
      Quote: sssla
      And I would like to understand Russia.

      Homosexual normal guy will not understand!
    6. werewolf
      werewolf 29 October 2014 09: 17
      +42
      Understanding looks something like this;
      1. Grabberxnumx
        Grabberxnumx 29 October 2014 12: 01
        +12
        Add some humor.
        “The son is playing at the computer in“ Stalingrad. ”Russian soldiers are running to the attack, shouting on the move:“ For Stalin! ”The father comes up to the son and asks:
        - Son, do you know who Stalin was?
        - No, dad, but what?
        - Well, here in your game the soldiers shout like this - "For Stalin!"
        - Oh, wow ... but I thought they were shouting "Got it, nah !!"
        http://ragnarok-2017.livejournal.com/6492.html
        1. Lone wolf
          Lone wolf 29 October 2014 17: 33
          +13
          And I will add a bit of humor ... Sitting in a trench behind a machine gun on the Eastern Front 2 Fritz one old, the second salab. Then the Russians went up to the attack screaming
          - For Stalin!
          Salabon twitches
          -Run !!!!
          The old one gives him a nag that falls to the machine gun and starts to shoot. The attack drowned. The Russians retreated. They sat down and smoked again.
          - Go ahead! For the motherland! For Stalin!
          Young whites rushes to the course of the message yells
          -Begimmmmm!
          Again, a slack again, the old one shot back, the Russians drowned the attack. The Germans sat down again. They just got out their cigarettes, they don’t even hear a scream, but a roar
          -MAAAAAAAT ,,,,,,, !!!!!
          Now the old one turns green and turns pale - Run from here !!!
      2. alexandrovich
        alexandrovich 29 October 2014 14: 01
        +1
        We Slavs in another can not be a fact !!!
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 29 October 2014 10: 22
      +5
      Quote: sssla
      What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States.

      I remember recently one of the European anti-Russian politicians boasted that the ratio of the forces of the Russian Federation / NATO is 1 to 14! And no one is afraid of the Russian Federation in the world!
      Quote: sssla
      Simple answer . They are afraid of Russia but they do not hope for NATO and the USA)
      And I would like to understand Russia.

      That's just the point that they begin to understand! With a good word and a gun you can achieve much more than just with a good word! lol good
    8. duke
      duke 29 October 2014 11: 54
      +5
      [quote = sssla]What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States.
      Simple answer . They are afraid of Russia but they do not hope for NATO and the USA)

      Ukrainian Nazis naively believed that the United States would rush into battle with Russia. They looked at the situation like that punks in the famous joke: "Uncle, buy a brick!" According to the joke scenario, after the punks "touch" someone, big boys appear. And then ... The American bulwark did not appear. I fed them with pies on the Maidan, acted as an instigator - but did not come out from around the corner. Ambal himself is scared: Russia is a nuclear power after all. And Bandera's punks had to deal with the Russian bear practically one-on-one. With a final result that is clear to everyone: the collection of knocked out teeth with broken hands. Apparently, even the Natsiks in Lvov began to realize that they were just cannon fodder for America. Now American flags are being burned. As they say, there is only one step from love to hate.
      1. Luga
        Luga 29 October 2014 13: 50
        +3
        Quote: duke
        According to the joke scenario, after the punks "touch" someone, big boys appear. And then ... The American bulwark did not appear.


        It seems to me, after all, not quite so. Having enlisted the support of mattresses, Geyrops and NATO, the Nazis thought that they would quickly and toughly deal with the "separatists" by drowning the corresponding regions (primarily Donbass and Crimea) in blood, after which they could sell everything they want to everyone buy, donate the rest and continue to have fun, running around in embroidered shirts with pitchforks, looking for "Muscovites and Zh.ids" to send them "to Gilyak". And the fact that their plan did not work is "to blame" solely for our president and his team, who, balancing on a fine line, managed, on the one hand, to prevent these plans from coming true, and on the other, managed not to get involved, for the sake of mattress, into an open armed conflict with NATO on Nenko's territory.
        Quote: duke
        Now they burn American flags.

        I didn’t hear ...
        In any case, this is another manifestation of deb.ilism.
      2. rodevaan
        rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 36
        0
        Quote: duke
        Ukrainian Natsiks naively believed that the United States would rush into battle with Russia.


        - That's the humor and the joke, that all this Eastern European small fry does nothing but believe in "democracy" throughout history and that "the Anglo-Saxoid will help them", especially in the confrontation with Russia))) Which of these idiots is not take it, and whatever period of history you take, it is always the same.
        Fools))))
    9. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 29 October 2014 14: 37
      0
      And I would like to understand Russia.

      Their understanding has not yet grown.
    10. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 October 2014 12: 16
      0
      Quote: sssla
      What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States.
      Simple answer . They are afraid of Russia but they do not hope for NATO and the USA)
      And I would like to understand Russia.

      To whom, if not Norway, it should be clear, they knocked out the nemchuru from Kirkenes and didn’t go further, but there was a reason, German bases in the fjords. They themselves strangled Quisling. In Denmark we weren’t, but gave birth to the freak Rasmussen. They gave birth to a mouse and how squealing women . fool
  2. MIV999
    MIV999 29 October 2014 08: 21
    +9
    “I was ten years old then, I was so young ... I guess it was scary there, but we were children and didn’t understand everything, we even had fun. I remember that day when we ascended to the surface, literally came to light. At the entrance stood a figure of a man - it was one of the Soviet soldiers who freed us. We were very happy. Then I learned the first Russian words, but I won’t tell you which ones, " - quoted by "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" Rolf Christiansen

    Well done, what do you remember yes ...
    Now try to make sure that your descendants do not have to hear them once again because of the mind-witted overseas Negro. soldier
  3. Rohon
    Rohon 29 October 2014 08: 23
    +11
    Do not us fear with us be friends must drinks
    1. The point
      The point 29 October 2014 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: rohon
      Do not be afraid of us, we must be friends

      Goose pig is not a friend! angry
  4. morpogr
    morpogr 29 October 2014 08: 23
    +3
    It’s time for Europe to live its own mind and interests and think not only the American partner will bark, but how those who are your neighbors will react to this.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 39
      0
      Quote: morpogr
      It’s time for Europe to live its own mind and interests and think not only the American partner will bark, but how those who are your neighbors will react to this.


      - For such a comparison, the American "partner" can be offended! In Geyropastan, He is the OWNER, not a partner ... the clay colossus can be compared with jackals. A kind of freeloader-Lenya Golubkov.
  5. shishakova
    shishakova 29 October 2014 08: 26
    +2
    Thanks, Author!
    In the diplomacy of Russia, new fair, but rather harsh statements have appeared.
    A good sign - true diplomats do not say empty words.
  6. dbrektif1997
    dbrektif1997 29 October 2014 08: 27
    +22
    And my mother .... the kingdom of heaven to her .... freed Norway ...... LIGHT MEMORY OF ALL !!!!
    1. SAILOROLD
      SAILOROLD 30 October 2014 17: 39
      +1
      And my father ...
  7. Finches
    Finches 29 October 2014 08: 28
    +1
    It’s time for the world to understand that Crimea, this is Russia, that Ukraine, this is Russia, that Belarus, this is Russia, that Kazakhstan, this is Russia, that Armenia, this is Russia, that Georgia, this is the same Russia ..., here are the Baltic states, this is really - Europe! We were artificially torn into flaps, but the historical memory of the people, the memory of nations at the genetic level about kinship cannot be divided, just by drawing the border lines on the map with a pencil!
    1. Svist
      Svist 29 October 2014 12: 33
      0
      An interesting statement about the gene relationship of Russians with Kazakhs, Armenians and Georgians. Fresh. smile It seems to me a little overkill.
    2. rodevaan
      rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 41
      0
      Quote: Finches
      It’s time for the world to understand that Crimea, this is Russia, that Ukraine, this is Russia, that Belarus, this is Russia, that Kazakhstan, this is Russia, that Armenia, this is Russia, that Georgia, this is the same Russia ..., here are the Baltic states, this is really - Europe! We were artificially torn into flaps, but the historical memory of the people, the memory of nations at the genetic level about kinship cannot be divided, just by drawing the border lines on the map with a pencil!


      - The Baltic states, alas, Russia. Also their gofnyuki actively zombie zapadoidami.
  8. Lyolik
    Lyolik 29 October 2014 08: 29
    +11
    Eternal memory to all Soviet Warriors who died not only for Norway, but for all of us,
    in all countries, during the Great Patriotic War! I am glad that Norway remembers the feat of our Warriors.
    Sergey Lavrov-Warrior of the World Order-Well done-Peacemaker.
  9. apolenkov
    apolenkov 29 October 2014 08: 31
    +2
    Norway it's time to think with your own head, not with American burgers !!!!
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 29 October 2014 08: 32
    0
    some sentiments, but is it necessary ...
  11. Committee
    Committee 29 October 2014 08: 36
    +2
    The Soviet "invasion of Czechoslovakia" ... don't they know history at all?
  12. Mercenary
    Mercenary 29 October 2014 08: 39
    +6
    The West has always hated Russia! And he shouldn’t understand us, let it be better to be afraid - it will be better for everyone: we will not offend them (such a nature) and they will bark less. And it will be wonderful to everyone!
  13. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 29 October 2014 08: 54
    +2
    The fact is that a single “front” against Russia simply does not exist. There are disagreements among NATO and EU member states, and they are especially noticeable when it comes to the United States. It shows, the browser writes, that Barack Obama failed to form the “common front” that he had previously spoken about.


    Time works against the hegemony of the United States, the longer Obama and the bush understand this and continue their aggressive policies, the more influence the United States will lose in the world.
  14. Vixen
    Vixen 29 October 2014 08: 54
    +7
    How nice it is to read "comrade" instead of "master" ...
  15. navara399
    navara399 29 October 2014 08: 58
    +3
    No matter how we are smiling and pledging friendship, we will not have reliable allies (except for our two of course). Therefore, all representatives of Geyropa will be forced to cooperate, provided that Russia will more and more be strengthened in world geopolitics.
  16. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 29 October 2014 08: 59
    +8
    My brother-soldier serves in the Swedish army. They all understand perfectly. In his spare time, he organizes the Scandinavian film festival "Kinorurik" - showing Russian films. All acquaintances and colleagues do not see anything unusual in this. Another thing is that politics and ordinary life are incompatible phenomena. Norway is tucked specifically in liberalism and other "values", but when it comes to what you can and n .... lei immediately become completely sober and contact.
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 29 October 2014 12: 21
      0
      Norway is tucked specifically in liberalism and other "values", but when it comes to what you can and n .... lei immediately become completely sober and contact.
      lol
      This must be understood in the light of popular wisdom: "How much you hit - how much you drive"? what
      It turns out that in order to live peacefully "in a European way" you need not let go of the cudgel? "Hits means loves"? Curve logic of pseudo-tolerance. negative
      1. The point
        The point 29 October 2014 15: 01
        +6
        Quote: RU-Officer
        Curve logic of pseudo-tolerance.
  17. Gray 43
    Gray 43 29 October 2014 09: 05
    +1
    Ordinary people in the West consider Ukraine, and especially Crimea, a part of Russia
  18. 3vs
    3vs 29 October 2014 09: 16
    0
    "What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States."
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    So let them ponder, the states are far away, but those who have launched "Armageddon" will have it.
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 29 October 2014 09: 27
    +9
    If you look, having swept the Helsinki Accords of 1975 into dust, about the inviolability of European borders, Europe also puffs, give Crimea to Ukraine .. to start, restore the GDR, SFRY, Czechoslovakia .. wink And the USSR ....
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 29 October 2014 10: 44
      +4
      And no one began to fight for the Crimea - according to moral law, he is Russian.
      The 18 thousandth army of Ukraine simply did not want to fight for someone else's.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 29 October 2014 10: 51
        -24
        Quote: Dmitry 2246
        And no one began to fight for the Crimea - according to moral law, he is Russian.
        The 18 thousandth army of Ukraine simply did not want to fight for someone else's.

        this was the last action "no fratricidal war"
        The army did not shoot at its own (Crimeans and Russians)
        Crimea is generally ours. It’s just that I put a common Soviet meaning in our concept, and not purely Russian or Ukrainian.
        But the violation of the Russian Federation of international norms and acts of aggression against Ukraine were committed. Nobody even tried to prove the opposite to me ...
        1. Bathk
          Bathk 29 October 2014 11: 56
          +6
          You claim that such acts were - facts in the studio. To prove the opposite to you - prove your point of view with facts, and then there may be rebuttals
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 29 October 2014 20: 00
            -6
            the mentioned blockade and fleet capture are not facts?
            I mentioned them. Requested to explain what the rule of law is to explain?
            As a result, I have to prove that there were no blockades? Ochakov not drowned?
            1. ochakow703
              ochakow703 30 October 2014 10: 55
              +2
              Yes, dear girl, and Ochakov was drowned, only you need to figure out what goals were pursued in this. I am sure that there was definitely no goal - to cash in on the Ukraine. What would have come out of Donuzlav could play a cruel joke with the safety of the whole action, and would have allowed the ukram to continue rattling naval weapons, and so ... they were immediately blown away. Is there a lot of navoyesch (naughty) on "Hetman Sagaidachny".
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 October 2014 17: 00
              0
              Quote: Cristall
              the mentioned blockade and fleet capture are not facts?

              No, not facts.
              Because there are no bad ones: the direct seizure of the ships of the Ukrainian fleet was carried out by the soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Crimea and paramilitaries of the so-called. "self-defense of the Crimea". By the way, the capture of military units at the first stage is the same. And "polite people" politely stood behind the backs of self-defense fighters - force in being.

              Direct use of the RF SPN (and, as always, without identification marks) was, EMNIP, only at the final stage, when they took the residential town of Mamchur base and the marines base. On the regiment of Mamchur, EMNIP, 2 armored personnel carriers and about two dozen soldiers were enough.
        2. kolobok63
          kolobok63 29 October 2014 12: 07
          +7
          To prove the obvious to such a lady is dearer to herself! fool
        3. Dimitr
          Dimitr 29 October 2014 14: 58
          +5
          Cristall, what do you want to be proved to you, there is a feeling that you have a personal offense, you broadcast very well about acts of aggression against Ukraine, you only forget how your country has conducted recent years towards Russia. And the fact that Crimea is ours (according to the general Soviet principle), then here I am in the same row with you, and it was and will be so, and in the Crimea itself, after the referendum, none of the people made a difference from Ukraine, you or from Russia, there really do not care for everyone, even with Honduras!
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 29 October 2014 20: 04
            -6
            Quote: Dimitr
            Cristall, what do you want to be proved to you, there is a feeling that you have a personal offense, you broadcast very well about acts of aggression against Ukraine, you only forget how your country has led recent years towards Russia

            I decided to ask directly already. Personal insult, except that they called the soldiers cowards that they did not pour their blood. I supported the transition. But without capturing the fleet and the army. He pointed out that for me everything would be honest if the fleet would be released. And they would have agreed with Kiev. And everyone would take it for granted.
            My wife from Russia just met for the first time in Simferopol .... for us this place is Ukraine and Russia together.
            1. xan
              xan 30 October 2014 10: 57
              +5
              Quote: Cristall
              He pointed out that for me everything would be honest if the fleet would be released. And they would have agreed with Kiev. And everyone would take it for granted.

              Given who the leadership in Ukraine is, it’s impossible to agree with Kiev. Without blocking the army and navy, blood would have spilled. And so it was immediately obvious to the stolen ones that they would deal not with self-defense, but with the Russian army.
            2. ochakow703
              ochakow703 30 October 2014 10: 59
              +2
              So! You, this, determine the orientation. In the photo a woman, he is. It’s a complete Conchita, it’s already vomiting ... Or is it generally accepted in truly gay European countries?
            3. VladVlad
              VladVlad 31 October 2014 14: 29
              +1
              "Violation of international norms and acts of aggression", which you hinted at, Mrs. Conchita, are falling on the heads of the inhabitants of the Russian land of Novorossia with shells of heavy artillery every day. Sometimes even phosphorus bombs. Explain what it is?
              What are Ukrainian Bandera doing on the original Russian land, who called them there? If you look, then Kiev is not your city. You were given temporary use of the fertile land - the Russian Outskirts, and you sold and ate everything, and ran to escape from hunger and cold to Europe. And you are not allowed there.
              Abidna, huh?
              That's when Bandera, out of anger for his failures in the Southeast, will take on your family, dear Conchita, then you will tell him about the violation of international law. And do not forget about aggression. Have you agreed?
  20. vzvodnik
    vzvodnik 29 October 2014 10: 21
    +4
    Comrade Lavrov
    This is good, this is right!
    soldier
  21. 4952915
    4952915 29 October 2014 10: 40
    0
    The tricolor in the photo is very out of place. Still, at the time of the war it was the flag of the Vlasovites. On the other hand, using the USSR flag at the ceremony is also somehow not illogical.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 44
      0
      Quote: xan
      Quote: Cristall
      He pointed out that for me everything would be honest if the fleet would be released. And they would have agreed with Kiev. And everyone would take it for granted.

      Given who the leadership in Ukraine is, it’s impossible to agree with Kiev. Without blocking the army and navy, blood would have spilled. And so it was immediately obvious to the stolen ones that they would deal not with self-defense, but with the Russian army.


      “Why is it illogical?” Russian soldiers liberated the Norwegians under the Red Banner and fought under the Red Banner! And the enemy was gouged under the Red Banner! In fairness, this banner should fly along with the current Russian one. I would do just that.
  22. Cristall
    Cristall 29 October 2014 10: 55
    -32
    until the Russian Federation returns the fleet to Ukraine, until it reaches an agreement with Kiev on the recognition (Kiev) of the transfer / annexation / capture of the Crimea of ​​the Russian Federation - Crimea will be Ukrainian.
    There was no international recognition of the transition. Officially, Crimea is Ukrainian and the world emphasizes this.
    You threshed porridge with this Crimea. They took and drew a line between Ukrainians and Russians .. yeah, and you won’t wash yourself. Ukrainians will forever consider Russian aggressors.
    There was a choice of Crimea or Ukraine. Done. Ukraine is lost for the Russian Federation.
    For those who minus if only for the slogans "Crimea is a primordial Russian land" I ask you to note that the Russian Federation recognized Crimea as Ukrainian land once. The world did it in a similar way.
    But no one here explained what the law or the regulation of international law was blocked by Russian military (green) Ukrainian army and navy! Moreover, the Russians hypocritically claim that our cowards were (it turns out the Crimean military from the Crimean cowards that did not shoot at their own) and surrendered without a fight ... it was necessary to pour blood ..
    By the way, the term "surrendered" is also a military man. So there was a war? Do you still have trophies and are not returning them? So what is the "peaceful" transition?
    tree stick guys - let's be frank without slogans. We used the right of the strong. While the rift was in the country, Crimea was quickly squeezed out. Along the way, I had to break a lot of things, otherwise it would not be known what would have happened. Well, admit it if you shout the truth. And then no one can explain why the Ukrainian fleet was blocked and the ships were still in captivity.
    Speaking of the Budapest Memorandum. They wrote to me that the Russian Federation did not ratify it. No one has ratified it. According to the Vienna Conference - it does not require ratification. Only a signature.
    It will be enough for me if you acknowledge the blockade of the fleet and return it to Odessa. At least the right of the strong and the will of the Crimeans will be satisfied that our fleet is not in captivity.
    While he is in captivity, I can’t say to myself that everything was honestly there was no war, everything was within the framework of some kind of rules there.
    Moreover, these hurray patriots with their "wringing out trophies and cowards Ukrainians that did not shoot" hypocrites ...
    1. Nevyatoy
      Nevyatoy 29 October 2014 11: 32
      +19
      You are fully entitled to your opinion, but the fact that "Crimea will be Ukrainian" is just empty words. You might as well say that Alaska will be Russian. The essence will not change.
      The fact that they took advantage of the right of the strong, I completely agree with you. It would be hypocritical to think otherwise. But in a different way. In Russia, we have more than 3 million Ukrainian men working in different areas. Nobody beats them and does not bother them for mov and for anything else. You can talk as much as you like about the fact that fascism and nationalism do not exist in Ukraine. But all sorts of Pharions and Tyagniboke speak about the fact that a good Russian is a dead Russian. Has anyone intervened? Have they been prosecuted for fomenting? But they began to say this long before the events in the Donbass. The mayor of Kherson brazenly praises Hitler. And you can say as much as you like that most do not support it. He is still the mayor. Duck why we should reckon with you. You can endure and close your eyes to torchlight processions and Nazis in power. Here and close the Crimea. You have no other choice. You are either terpils or nazis. Only two options. Choose ....
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 29 October 2014 19: 58
        -2
        Quote: NeSvyatoy
        You have no other choice. You are either terpils or nazis. Only two options. Choose ....

        original of course. Either tolerate or the Nazi. But thanks for the truth. And then, honestly, I didn’t know how they divided it on the Ukrainians website ....
        As for Tyagnibok and Farion ... believe me, they got not only me, even the memory. they did not go to parliament. The witch came back with all her sins ... We will remind her of the flag again .. I was the most hated party, like many Odessa citizens ..

        Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
        the fleet of Ukraine, as I understand it, is a virtual quantity, purely for bargaining with Russia?

        we are talking about a few ships .. Like Olshansky for example. Bargaining is not appropriate here. This is the property of Ukraine. But as a nuance of "peaceful transition" - it plays against the Russian Federation.
        1. Nevyatoy
          Nevyatoy 30 October 2014 19: 36
          +2
          Quote: Cristall
          Either tolerate or the Nazi. But thanks for the truth. And then, honestly, I didn’t know how they divided it on the Ukrainians website ....

          But isn't that so?
          What is one real force in Ukraine that would advocate a ban on Bandera propaganda? Who can ban torchlight processions now? Or do you think that let it go okay?
          What did Porashenko say on the 70th anniversary of the liberation? "More than 9 million immigrants from Ukraine began to fight the enemy as part of the Red Army. Millions of Ukrainians fought with the Nazis and their allies as part of the UPA, in the ranks of Soviet partisan formations, in the ranks of the Polish Army, the American, Australian, British, Canadian armies, units of the French, Yugoslav and Slovak resistance ".
          This is from here: http: //www.aif.ua/society/social/1370025
          Do not look that this AiF in the Ukrainian press is also written exactly the same.
          Imagine your so-called president compared our grandfathers with these slops from the UPA !!!! Well, how will you endure or for the Nazis?
    2. Bathk
      Bathk 29 October 2014 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Cristall
      There was no international recognition of the transition.

      And if we assume that the inhabitants of Galicia will friendlyly hold a referendum and propose Galicia to Poland, will this be normal? You can not answer, optionally - it will be normal! And according to this, the transition of Crimea is also normal!
    3. kolobok63
      kolobok63 29 October 2014 12: 04
      +2
      Madame, a place in the kitchen! What is this all about? The fifth column is visible. stop
    4. Gecko
      Gecko 29 October 2014 12: 07
      +15
      It is your opinion. But we are upset that cutting Ukraine a lot of land with the Russian population, they gave bloodless independence and cheap gas, which for a long time was even cheaper than in Russia itself, and in return received hatred and aggressiveness.
      1) Moskale on the knives.
      2) Barbarian drove the fleet headquarters from Odessa using special forces.
      3) An attempt to oust the Russian fleet from Crimea using special forces.
      4) Delivery and unofficial support of Ukrainian nationalists in the war against Russia in Chechnya.
      5) Air defense and Ukrainian calculations in the war of Russia with Georgia.
      Moreover, in Russia they never said that Ukrainians are enemies.
      But sooner or later you have to pay for everything in this life, and you Ukrainians will pay in full, whether you want it or not, but the land is round.
      ps Yes, and still the ships were built in the USSR.
      1. Dimitr
        Dimitr 29 October 2014 14: 40
        +3
        I almost completely agree with you, it’s just bad that ordinary, innocent citizens of Ukraine will have to pay, and those who are really guilty will live, eat three throats, and feast.
      2. fox21h
        fox21h 29 October 2014 19: 46
        +2
        Yes, this is from the opera, and then what for?
        Some of them amaze me, I don’t even know what to call it, it will probably be the most correct - Svidomoost - this is a diagnosis (so as not to use more capacious obscene definitions)
        Let's start with the division of the fleet, when most of the ships were trivially stolen.
        When dill begins to whine and those who sympathize with them always want to ask a question - are you an independent country? If so, why did they fall under p. Endosia and their sixes? And if so, then don’t whine that they are fucking you. Russia should have reacted somehow to the actions of p. Postity, if you spit on the hand that fed you and when you get in the face, then you are so surprised for what?
      3. Andrey Ivanov
        Andrey Ivanov 30 October 2014 00: 24
        +1
        Judas. They betrayed their roots. And it began a long time ago. Prosperity - under the Nazis, then "in stock" by the states, and finally - the second coming - 1991, when a crowd poured into "NizalEzhnaya" from Canada. And the people ... all these years quietly laughed at the "Katsap", the first joke - "and eat your oil", just since 1991 went for a walk in the minds of "Ukrainians". Yes, we ourselves are largely to blame, did not watch, did not save the younger brother, the drunkard and the rowdy from the "bad company" ... But, it MUST be admitted, and everything will fall into place that there is NO country like Ukraine, like no Belarus ... But there is-RUSSIA !!! There is and will be !!! Therefore, the brothers must be guided on the true path ... And live together ... Long and happy.
        1. smart Fox
          smart Fox 30 October 2014 21: 13
          +1
          Yes, we ourselves are largely to blame, did not watch, did not save the younger brother, the drunkard and the rowdy from the "bad company"

          Yes, for 70 years of Soviet power we watched 14 brothers and sisters, looked so that we forgot about ourselves. But they grew up and threw us, promising who is jerk, who is jihad. Tired of it. Let them be controlled!
    5. Havoc
      Havoc 29 October 2014 12: 34
      +5
      Dear where you will put it in Odessa, the fleet should be "at the wall" and not in the roadstead, all the berths in Odessa are occupied, the port is not adapted to such a number of "combat" ships, combat in brackets. So say thank you that your "Navy" does not interfere with the work of the Odessa port. Yes, and the transfer of your fleet was simply postponed due to the attack on Novorossiya, then all your basins will return
      Quote: Cristall
      By the way, the term "surrendered" is also a military man.
      Root - passed, for example, "passed change in the store" and where is the military term here.
    6. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 29 October 2014 13: 41
      +7
      Officially, Crimea is Ukrainian and the world emphasizes this. You threshed porridge with this Crimea. They took and drew a line between Ukrainians and Russians .. yeah, and you won’t wash yourself. Ukrainians will forever consider Russian aggressors.

      What kind of world are you talking about all the time? The world did not recognize, the world ..., the world ...,
      There is no peace, there are Western countries of the USA and the EU, with a population of less than 1 billion people and the rest of the world’s population of more than 6 billion people.
      The West consumes about 50% of the planet’s resources due to arrogant armed robbery, and the UN uses a fig leaf covering its shame.
      And the Russophobia of the "Ukrainians" has been around for centuries, no Crimea will give you away, they will take it, devour it, and will not stop shitting.
    7. Dimitr
      Dimitr 29 October 2014 14: 26
      +6
      You apparently have not been to Crimea, people there are happy not even that they are "Russia", but that they are not like in Donbass, about violations of the rules and rights to their friends in NATO, we just learned to play by their rules! I don’t know what Russians say that “your” cowards, neither in Crimea nor in Russia, I have not heard this, but that the Crimeans wanted to return to Russia, I heard back in 2001, you don’t think that who the Crimeans should be, it is up to them to decide, if only because it is an autonomous republic, the Crimeans do not believe that someone is in captivity, and if you really think that Crimea is Ukrainian, you better jump, because now "who does not jump - that mos-kal!" Fun to ride !!! Do not worry, I did not minus you, this only leads to the strengthening of your delusions!
    8. massad1
      massad1 29 October 2014 16: 32
      +3
      Trophies in the form of your rusty scrap metal were stopped for you to be shipped, so that you do not have a desire to repair and send them to Donbass - this is the time. And secondly - let's not decide for the Crimea and Crimeans where and with whom to be. You still think that we were driven to the referendum at gunpoint, it doesn’t even occur to you that people really came and voted to restore historical justice. In short, ugh at you again, look further 1 + 1
    9. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 29 October 2014 22: 46
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      tree stick guys - let's be frank without slogans. We used the right of the strong. While the rift was in the country, Crimea was quickly squeezed out.

      No need to whine now, and shout "taken away from the little ones, evil Russians ..."
      Baska had to think when they promised to make a NATO base in Sevastopol.
      If the Ukrainian authorities simply promised Russia that there would not be pin.dosovsky bases in Crimea ........ That would never have happened at all !!!
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    11. Victor-M
      Victor-M 29 October 2014 23: 04
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      Moreover, these hurray patriots with their "wringing out trophies and cowards Ukrainians that did not shoot" hypocrites ...


      Calm down, do not dissolve snot. Those Ukrainians who consider Russia a fraternal country can be sure that Crimea is also theirs, and the rest of the pro-Western mold, which has poured its country into a latrine and blames Russia for this, will never see it again.
    12. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 October 2014 18: 48
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      until the Russian Federation returns the fleet to Ukraine, until it reaches an agreement with Kiev on the recognition (Kiev) of the transfer / annexation / capture of the Crimea of ​​the Russian Federation - Crimea will be Ukrainian.
      There was no international recognition of the transition. Officially, Crimea is Ukrainian and the world emphasizes this.

      Oh oh Here is a quote from the speech of the President of Ukraine Poroshenko:
      Ukraine’s borders were unshakable for 70 years, until the war returned to us

      And now we subtract: 2014 - 70 = 1944
      What unshakable borders was Ukraine in 1944? And then whose result is Crimea? wink
    13. smart Fox
      smart Fox 30 October 2014 21: 07
      +1
      Christmas tree stick guys - let's be frank without slogans. We used the right of the strong. While the rift was in the country, Crimea was quickly squeezed out. Along the way, I had to break a lot of things, otherwise it would not be known what would have happened.

      Are you now telling us about 1991?
      Well, who argues, Ka-aeshna is Ukrainian Crimea, and you go, take it, try it!
    14. pticas
      pticas 31 October 2014 09: 02
      +1
      Crimeans made their choice did not have this right?
      I had to live under the junta, which seized power?
      Abandon language, recognize fascism?
      To betray the ancestors of those killed in the war in partisans in the Crimean mountains
      and say that this is Ukrainian land?
      By the way, Sevastopol was never de jure transferred to Ukraine!
    15. rodevaan
      rodevaan 31 October 2014 09: 50
      +2
      - Dear - but this is what everyone in the world does. A hotbed of "democracy" as a strong man also does what he wants - and no one decides. This is politics, not something personal. If Pin-dos-tan were Barbados - he wouldn't do that - is it logical? And if Barbados were UWP, it would be doing the same. Politics and nothing personal. Each country does what is beneficial to its interests. When Russian soldiers died, liberating the Balkans from the Turks, Ukraine from the Poles, Europe from the Napoleonic hordes, and then from the Nazi Fritzes, no one asked the question - how moral it was, right? Everyone clapped and rejoiced that the Russians fought and died for them. Crimea is a strategic site, with a majority of Russian and pro-Russian population. So we, in the interests of our country, did absolutely everything right - whoever disagrees - for God's sake.
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      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 31 October 2014 15: 57
        0
        I didn't give a damn about the war or not. Was there a war with Georgia? No, just a peace enforcement operation. And new countries appeared. Was there a war between the USA and Yugoslavia? No, also some kind of operation there. And they bombed the country in the Stone Age. They took Crimea to the shield while it was lying around to nobody needed, on the verge of a civil war. Well, good. Try take it away. Nuclear anchor in w .. do not want to?
  23. Slavyanin
    Slavyanin 29 October 2014 11: 46
    +1
    "Mind, someday, Will Win !!!"
  24. bolik
    bolik 29 October 2014 11: 51
    +2
    Beautiful photo. By the way, in Norway this monument to Soviet soldiers stands and no one touches it. Not that in Hohland and the Baltic states and other new Europeans.
    For "" "have these already been untermined
  25. kolobok63
    kolobok63 29 October 2014 11: 56
    -1
    The author of the article probably drank with Mr. Lavrov otherwise he would not have called him (comrade)
    Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  27. pensioner
    pensioner 29 October 2014 12: 55
    +1
    I remember E. Kozakevich had a story, the events in which unfold in Northern Norway, when our people liberated it from the Nazis - "The heart of a friend", it seems to be called. So the Norwegians are very kindly depicted there.
    Thanks Oleg hi . Optimistic article.
  28. parusnik
    parusnik 29 October 2014 13: 54
    +6
    Quote: Cristall
    until the Russian Federation returns the fleet to Ukraine

    Forgive the Soviet fleet .... "Crimea is a primordial Russian land" please note that the Russian Federation recognized Crimea as Ukrainian land ... It was a matter .. But why Russia should ignore the opinion of the resident population in Crimea .. Kosovo, the autonomous region simply left Serbia without a referendum and the international community recognized this .. The international precedent .. The base of Guantanamo ... it’s even easier , her US court recognized American territory and the international community does not protest .. even Ukraine and then Crimea is a gift to Russia, Ukraine, which was dedicated to the anniversary of the Pereyaslavskaya Rada .. Together forever .. Friendship ended ..
  29. bolik
    bolik 29 October 2014 14: 49
    +2
    Yes, it’s good that the monument is not in Khokhlopiya;
  30. Prager
    Prager 29 October 2014 15: 26
    +1
    well done our Lavrov, clever encyclopedically educated, heavy smoker and professional rafter on mountain rivers. a real man, for whom he is not ashamed!
  31. Akulina
    Akulina 29 October 2014 19: 25
    +1
    Quote: sssla
    What happened? It turns out that many politicians fear that in the event of a confrontation with Russia, no one can fully rely on NATO and the United States.
    Simple answer . They are afraid of Russia but they do not hope for NATO and the USA)
    And I would like to understand Russia.

    It's just that they firmly decided to be "boyats" - it is easier and more familiar to be afraid, and there is no need to think. And to understand is to work - with your soul and brains. It takes time and positive situations. And in Russia a lot of things need to be changed and turned inside out. So that when they really want to take a closer look at us and understand - it would not be ashamed of ourselves. We ourselves raised the bar very high, swung "at our William ... at Shakespeare" - there is nowhere to retreat.
  32. Andrei946
    Andrei946 29 October 2014 21: 35
    0
    Finally, enlightened Europe is beginning to see clearly that it’s not fig butting with Russia. Maintaining these sanctions is like shitting in your pocket. The cheeses are already moldy ... But they themselves banned selling them in the Scandinavian countries ... It's time to understand for a long time that only in alliance with Russia can they survive.
  33. pvv113
    pvv113 29 October 2014 21: 53
    +3
    Is it time for the West to “get used to living” under the “annexed” Crimea?

    Found an interesting video, look, you will not regret it
  34. Elena2013
    Elena2013 29 October 2014 23: 50
    +3
    How exactly said!
  35. Alfizik
    Alfizik 30 October 2014 11: 53
    0
    Washington's sanctions are a step of despair, a trial balloon bouncing after an unprofessional strike at a vast "theater of action." The cowboy threw a lasso, but again unsuccessfully, and finally got confused, carried away "from heaven to earth" by his pledged property-horse.
  36. pavel1981
    pavel1981 30 October 2014 12: 00
    0
    Apparently in the Yureop, a semblance of the Mogzovan THINKING activity begins to wake up.
  37. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 October 2014 15: 24
    0
    It’s time, or not time, to persuade countries with a topic, it’s from the field of pacification of a psychologist. After a half-day persuasion, do it right. As they say there are no psychiatric patients, there are no problems. The process of building political leaders in the world is far from perfect. There, over the past ten years, frank upstarts-puppets have begun to fall in, which must be constantly persuaded and persuaded. Or there is another option: to force. Although this is called kraynyak.
  38. bolik
    bolik 30 October 2014 19: 21
    0
    Unfortunately, the bulk in Europe forms an opinion from the media and adheres to what they said there (America said).
    It is simple due to the fact that the people are used to the fact that the state will solve all their problems, but alas, not all
    immigrants, unemployment, a cutback in former privileges, are under pressure and right-wing parties supporting Putin, Iran and other independent states are growing.
    Since the consequences settle precisely in Europe in the form of immigrants.