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Translation of an article by Matthew Bodner from The Moscow Times newspaper devoted to the Swedish Navy epic with the search for an unknown (Russian?) Submarine.

Mystery Mystery


Original article Especially Swedes' Sub Panic

Swedes raise the stakes in the hunt for the Russian submarine

Despite the panic sweeping the Swedes about the Russian submarine, the Baltic Fleet does not look so formidable


On the sixth consecutive day the Swedish Navy was searching for an imaginary Russian submarine, a representative of the Swedish Ministry of Defense said on Tuesday 21 of October that if the Navy were found, they would be forced to ascend if necessary. Such data leads the English-language Swedish newspaper "Local" (The Local).

The statement that Sweden is ready to use depth charges to make the mysterious submarine float marks a significant increase in the rhetoric of Swedish officials. After all, initially, the whole operation was seen as a search and rescue, aimed at assisting the ship, which may be in distress.

In the meantime, the Swedes seemed to be in a massive panic. According to Dagens Nyheter, more than a hundred witnesses for a suspicious submarine have been interviewed by the Swedish authorities in the past few days. Russia, for its part, denies that there was an abnormal situation on any of its submarines.

However, the very possibility of an intruder intruding into the territorial waters of Sweden at the hot tracks of the NATO exercises in the Baltic does not seem to be out of the ordinary. In recent years, Russia has regularly provoked the militarily developed states of the West to check them for "weak." According to analysts, this indicates that Russia will continue to increase the degree of antagonism in relations with the West.
At the same time, the concerns of Sweden may be exaggerated - the Russian Baltic Fleet can hardly be called a military priority for Moscow, and some experts argue that the Swedes themselves staged this performance as a sign of the deterioration of diplomatic relations.

Resurgent threat

Although some scoff at the search operation of the Swedes, calling the panic moods of the Cold War no more than delusions, this hunt for a boat fits into the logic of Moscow’s more striking provocations.

Over the past few years, the Russian Air Force has openly practiced strikes at Stockholm, violated Swedish airspace and dangerously maneuvered in the immediate vicinity of a Swedish reconnaissance aircraft, flying only 10 meters from its wing.

Increased activity of Russia at sea and in the air is rather the rule than the exception. The states bordering on Russia and having a conflict of interests with it note an increase in the number of violations of their airspace and overflights along the border.

In recent years, the intensity of "patrols" by Russian aircraft and border areas has steadily increased. This is a reflection of a more confident and assertive position of Russia, which has managed to strengthen over the past decade, ”Dr. Neil Melvin of the Stockholm Peace Research Institute told The Moscow Times.

For example, in the past month alone there was an incident with a Finnish research vessel, which the Russian ships "wrecked", and an intelligence officer was abducted from an Estonian border checkpoint.

In the same month, but already outside the Baltic region, the US and Canadian Air Forces raised their fighters to intercept six Russian MiG-31 off the coast of Alaska.

And in early September, two Russian Tu-95 strategic bomber, according to media reports, were practicing nuclear strikes on US territory in the North Atlantic.

“I believe that this is a kind of signal from Russia to be taken seriously, and the Russian authorities make it clear that they are tired of not being considered, or, at least, not of Russia’s concerns national security issues, ”says Dr. Dmitry Gorenburg, a naval expert from Harvard, who also works for the CNA Research Center in Virginia.

NATO in sight

Russia, however, far from mindlessly probes the West. Analysts argue that Moscow, in particular, is not indifferent to the NATO countries, apparently trying to get an idea of ​​the degree of cohesion of the bloc and its readiness for action.

“Countries that have been exposed to such an impact are either key to the North Atlantic alliance, or they regularly criticize President Putin’s regime,” says Melvin.

“This is particularly true of the Baltic states, taking into account their Soviet past and current situation on the“ front lines ”of NATO. Russia seems to be “testing” how far it will be allowed to go before NATO responds, ”he adds.

The fact that neither Sweden nor Finland are members of NATO does not mean that the current provocations are not related to the North Atlantic Alliance. In the case of Sweden, “it is obvious that Putin does not like the cooperation of Finland and Sweden with NATO. And Russia thus signals to them that participation in joint exercises with NATO could be dangerous for them, ”said Tomas Ries from the Stockholm National Military Academy (Stockholm’s National Defense Academy).

Swedish executor

Sweden, in truth, should not be so worried about Russia's presence in the Baltic.

Although the Russian Navy is one of the beneficiaries of Putin’s ambitious rearmament program, with a budget of 20 trillion rubles (500 billion USD), the Baltic Fleet, which should include the submarine, has received only a fraction of this amount.
“Progress in the rearmament of the Baltic fleet there is, but this is not a quick process, ”said Mikhail Barabanov, an analyst at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST).

Partly in the depressing position of the Baltic Fleet of Russia was due to the loss of its coastal infrastructure. If shipbuilding programs were in the center of attention of the Soviet Navy, the coastal infrastructure of the fleet was “smeared” along the Baltic coast from Kaliningrad to Leningrad. And with the independence of the Baltic republics, Kaliningrad was cut off from mainland Russia, which creates problems in the maintenance of an impressive group of forces and means of the fleet.

According to Russian analysts, the hunt for a submarine may not be dictated by the presence of a real threat, but stem from the internal politics of Sweden. The Swedish fleet, once generously funded to counter the Soviet submarine threat, has failed in the past 20 years to justify maintaining budget allocations at the same level.

This hunt for the Swedes submarine - "complete nonsense," says Barabanov. "Perhaps there (in the waters of the archipelago) is something, but most likely it’s just such a good old Swedish way to justify the increase in defense spending," he adds.

In 1980, the Swedes several times declared a false alarm, sometimes taking the sounds made by the otter as the noise of potential foreign intruders.

In any case, the statements of the Swedes about the Russian submarine in their waters are hard to believe, since today the Russian Baltic Fleet is largely devoid of its former military significance, says Ruslan Pukhov, director of TsAST.

“The number of submarines in the Baltic Fleet tends to zero, and it is obvious that submarines capable of performing such tasks are based on the Northern and Pacific Fleets,” says Pukhov.

Harvard Gorenburg adds: “It’s not serious to talk about naval battles between the Russian and Swedish fleets. If this happens, the Baltic Fleet alone will not be a serious threat if it is not reinforced by the ships of the Northern Fleet. ”

“The Russian Baltic Fleet as a whole is hardly a fleet,” he adds.

In addition to a pair of destroyers of the 956 project, the Baltic Fleet includes only two diesel-electric submarines of the 877 project, a patrol ship and four corvettes. They are complemented by several small ships guarding the water area, which are, indeed, ideal for the shallow waters of the Baltic.



Dislike

The Swedes, however, can be forgiven for their dissent, especially since the Soviet Union had once been caught by the hand. This incident became known as "Whiskey on Ice" (Whiskey on the Rocks, literally - Whiskey on the rocks). Then, in 1981, the Soviet submarine of the 613 project ("Whiskey", according to NATO classification), ran aground near the Swedish naval base. A subsequent investigation into the incident revealed that the torpedoes with nuclear charges were on the boat at that moment.

Regardless of whether the Russian submarine is in the territorial waters of Sweden or not, the unsatisfactory level of diplomatic relations between the two countries, which was revealed in the context of the hunt for the boat, as well as Moscow’s unwillingness to allay the fears of the Swedes, show that Russia is becoming a problem . In addition to the already mentioned Russian stinginess on the comments in this incident, the current year brought a new wave of debate about the possible accession of Sweden to NATO, which is fueled by sudden and sharp military attacks from Russia against Sweden in particular and the countries of the Baltic region as a whole.

“From a political point of view, the worst that bad things can happen is to quarrel with neutral Sweden,” adds Pukhov. Swedish hawks can see a certain mirage - there really is no threat, but they really want to see it.
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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/despite-swedes-sub-panic-russias-baltic-fleet-is-far-from-fearsome/509840.html
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  1. Finches
    Finches 27 October 2014 07: 39
    +4
    Another catch of a black cat in a dark room!
    Most likely, someone in Sweden needs to recapture the dough from the budget by raising the cost of armaments, and of course, the Anglo-Saxons could not do here!
    1. Hairy Siberian
      Hairy Siberian 27 October 2014 07: 49
      +6
      And for several decades now, either the Norwegian authorities or the Swedish have been reporting submarines seen off the coast, in fjords and skerries. Strange cases range from 10 to 20 a year. But this time the tantrum dragged on. According to recent reports, the Swedish ships have located not one but two “suspicious objects”.
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 27 October 2014 16: 54
        +3
        Quote: Hairy Siberian
        And for several decades now, either the Norwegian authorities or the Swedish have been reporting submarines seen off the coast, in fjords and skerries. Strange cases range from 10 to 20 a year. But this time the tantrum dragged on. According to recent reports, the Swedish ships have located not one but two “suspicious objects”.

        and every year, everyone shows a frame from the "features of the national hunt", and at the same time the same laughing
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 27 October 2014 20: 41
        +2
        Quote: Hairy Siberian
        According to recent reports, the Swedish ships have located not one but two “suspicious objects”.

        And they forced the "Loch Ness Monster" to surface by bombing and were disappointed with what they saw, because with all the desire to pass it off as a boat to the Russian Navy wink
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 October 2014 09: 49
      +3
      Continuous Russophobia, to which, in fact, we are already accustomed to and do not pay much attention.
      1. 12423 student
        12423 student 27 October 2014 12: 12
        +1
        The increased activity of Russia at sea and in the air is, rather, the rule, rather than the exception.
        What can not but rejoice.
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    4. Spnsr
      Spnsr 27 October 2014 15: 11
      +1
      something I don’t see logic at all in the comments presented in the article! Why should Russia touch the Swedes? due to the fact that they gathered in NATO? so it can only accelerate NATO’s mutual embrace with the Swedes!
      they are definitely not only on the other side of history, but also in some kind of looking glass with respect to logic!
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 27 October 2014 07: 44
    +2
    A new legend about the "Flying Dutchman" ... only now underwater ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 27 October 2014 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      A new legend about the "Flying Dutchman" ... only now underwater ...

      -----------------------------------
      The article is similar to a transcript of a conversation between the Swedish defense minister and his psychoanalyst, and in some places at a meeting of a group of anonymous psychos suffering from persecution mania ...)))
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 27 October 2014 09: 17
        +4
        The Swedes have a mania of persecution, and the author of the article has a mania of inattention. Otherwise, how to explain this quote.
        as well as Moscow’s reluctance to dispel the fears of the Swedes, indicate that Russia is becoming a problem again.
        Shoigu's statement on this subject, is this not a dispel of fear? If the Foreign Ministry is meant, then this whole circus was inflated by the Swedish media, there were no official requests from the Foreign Ministry. So the author, I advise you not to fart in the water,this is especially true of the end of the article. Apparently the whole point of the article is just about this.
        which is fueled by a sudden and sharp military assault by Russia against Sweden in particular and the countries of the Baltic region as a whole.
        The facts of heating by the Russian Federation, in the studio.
  3. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 27 October 2014 07: 45
    +2
    At one time, for some reason it was much more difficult and hot from the point of view of war. And for some reason they saw a much quieter one. The paradox is big. How hot we see only what we want.
  4. altman
    altman 27 October 2014 07: 45
    +1
    In 1981 year .. damn 33 years ago! There is no such state, there are no ships and boats, but they are still afraid. it was necessary to put in his pants so that it still smells. Cowards, nothing more to say about them
    1. Evil Pole
      Evil Pole 27 October 2014 07: 55
      +7
      Quote: altman
      In 1981 .. damn 33 years ago! There is no such state, there are no ships and boats, but they are still afraid

      They have been afraid since Peter the Great, And he thought: We will threaten the Swede with the settlement, Here the city will be laid down, To spite the arrogant neighbor .. (A.S. Pushkin, The Bronze Horseman)
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 27 October 2014 09: 05
      +1
      Quote: altman
      In 1981 year .. damn 33 years ago! There is no such state, there are no ships and boats, but they are still afraid. it was necessary to put in his pants so that it still smells. Cowards, nothing more to say about them


      There was disorder on our part, and the Swedes saw a provocation.
      And the article ... is also from that series. And when it was our ships and planes went abroad. They began to show activity - YES. What do you want? But we keep in a neutral space.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 October 2014 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: mamont5
        There was disorder on our part, and the Swedes saw a provocation.

        Not everything is so simple. (C)

        There, the whole thing was that the submarine managed to walk along the narrow fairway and flew to the rocks only in front of the base itself. The Swedes still do not believe that it is possible by chance, considering that you are in the open sea and not knowing the place and the fairway itself, so fit into its target and go to the coast. Plus, on the approach to the fairway, our submarine managed to swim up exactly before the shallow, jumping over it.

        In short, the "Swedish Komsomolets" was incredibly lucky - and left its luck just before the very shore.
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 October 2014 07: 49
    +25
    Swedes! to make you more fun, I was there next to the second quickly painted on the submarine, though wassat sloppy, but it doesn’t matter, right? wassat
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 27 October 2014 08: 50
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      there next to the second quickly painted a submarine

      At the tenth glass, I examined a dozen aircraft carriers and 2 dozen escort and support vessels.
      And in the photo in the article about the return of the "red car" submarine is clearly not our production. Rather, it is a submarine of the Netherlands Navy "Bruinvis" or something like that from NATOV shipbuilders.
  6. warrior1979
    warrior1979 27 October 2014 07: 54
    +8
    Or maybe this fascist Kriegsmarine boat sailed from the depths of centuries? bully Has everyone watched Secret Fairway?
  7. Koronik
    Koronik 27 October 2014 07: 55
    +2
    ] Swedes! so you’re looking more fun, I quickly painted a second line of eyeliner there, though: it’s clumsy, but it doesn’t matter, really.
    Bravo, Andrei Yurievich, Bravo !!!! Helping the Swedes is invaluable.
  8. Balamyt
    Balamyt 27 October 2014 07: 56
    +1
    It's hard to look for a black cat in a dark room .........
    But somehow it is necessary to show their loyalty to the United States, that’s how they climb out of their skin!
    And until when will we be blamed for the passage of aircraft, the passage of ships along their own borders and on their own territory?
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 October 2014 08: 12
    +1
    “I believe that this is a certain signal from Russia to be taken seriously, and the Russian authorities thereby make it clear that they are tired of not being taken into account with them, or at least not taking into account Russia's fears in national security issues ”,

    A fellow at Harvard gets it right. Russia makes it clear that it will not let anyone “into its taiga”. The bear strictly follows the order and, if necessary, will tear anyone.
  10. Savl
    Savl 27 October 2014 08: 36
    +3
    Loch Ness are we too?
  11. pexotinec
    pexotinec 27 October 2014 08: 43
    +3
    The Lochna animal moved to the campaign in the Baltic. laughing
  12. victorsh
    victorsh 27 October 2014 08: 45
    +1
    Neutral Sweden apparently forgot about the supply of nickel to fascists in World War II.
  13. datur
    datur 27 October 2014 08: 53
    +2
    our boats are just super boats !!
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 27 October 2014 09: 37
    +2
    Liked the picture. I would like to see such a master submariner who could maneuver in such a limited space.
  15. Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 October 2014 09: 56
    +1
    It was an NGO - an unidentified submarine object similar to a submarine.
  16. Efremushka
    Efremushka 27 October 2014 11: 42
    +13
    Found the original photo. Yes, there are thousands of them! ..;)
    1. Tima
      Tima 27 October 2014 16: 48
      +7
      They go to spawn, not otherwise!
    2. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 27 October 2014 20: 45
      0
      WHAT DO YOU DO !!!! Right now, the Swedish paranoid collapse will begin !!! Shame on you!! laughing
  17. Funnels
    Funnels 27 October 2014 11: 47
    +4
    You’re so scared. And only Russia is afraid, and what they are ... bad. When an American reconnaissance plane flew without demand, they dared not yap, and here they depict the lion's roar: we will force them to emerge, we will bomb them.
  18. svp67
    svp67 27 October 2014 11: 55
    +1
    In addition to the already mentioned stinginess of Russians on the comments in this incident
    That's what, why, but our MO was VERY REDICATIVE. So what gentlemen say.
  19. Zuborez
    Zuborez 27 October 2014 12: 01
    +1
    Competent comrades with Bigler.ru see the situation as follows:

    The operation of the Swedish Navy to search for elusive underwater objects in the Stockholm archipelago, which aroused international interest, decided the fate of the country's coastal defense.
    The bill on the state budget of the Scandinavian country, published this Thursday, October 23 additional appropriations BO.
    For 2014, a one-time amount of 56 million kroons (about 6 million euros) is also allocated, which allows you to withdraw all 125 warnings about dismissals of employees of BO.
    Next year, the budget of Swedish maritime border guards will increase by 20 million kroons (more than 2 million euros), from 2016 it will increase annually by 67 million kroons (almost 7 million euros).
    This will save both staff and parts of the BO that were threatened with disbandment, Radio Sweden reports.


    The bestial grin of capitalism, in general laughing
  20. Demob 2012
    Demob 2012 27 October 2014 12: 34
    +2
    This is the "Flying Dutchman" from the "secret fairway", everyone thought that he was not, but he is, is still elusive in the Baltic Sea. We must announce a prize for his capture. bully and his depth charges. am
  21. hard
    hard 27 October 2014 12: 59
    0
    Kit flicked, and how much stink!
  22. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 27 October 2014 13: 37
    +1
    Lavrov commented on this incident - "we do not know what they are looking for there, they are probably looking for a log"
  23. Prager
    Prager 27 October 2014 13: 58
    +2
    Lavrov is very witty. and he is a professional rafter on mountain rivers.
  24. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 27 October 2014 14: 45
    +1
    The article was late. Even the Finns called the Swedes idiots. Read the news.
  25. thinker
    thinker 27 October 2014 16: 59
    +1
    Peter Hultqvist, Minister of Defense of Sweden - journalist by education. As a member of the Riksdag, he headed the defense committee. He repeatedly spoke in the style of “Russians are coming” and more than once spoke out in favor of Sweden joining the NATO rapid reaction forces. And in my opinion, this whole campaign is a PR campaign in support of his militaristic aspirations.
  26. sounddoc
    sounddoc 27 October 2014 17: 01
    +1
    Based on an old joke.
    Shoigu at a meeting with Putin:
    Putin: Sergey Kuzhugetovich, what kind of noise is there in Sweden?
    Shoigu: They are looking for a Russian submarine ...
    Putin: Well, are there our boats there?
    Shoigu: No, Vladimir Vladimirovich, not one ...
    Putin: So why are they making noise?
    Shoigu: Yes, just a pid ... of the race, Comrade Supreme Commander ...
  27. sounddoc
    sounddoc 27 October 2014 17: 01
    0
    Based on an old joke.
    Shoigu at a meeting with Putin:
    Putin: Sergey Kuzhugetovich, what kind of noise is there in Sweden?
    Shoigu: They are looking for a Russian submarine ...
    Putin: Well, are there our boats there?
    Shoigu: No, Vladimir Vladimirovich, not one ...
    Putin: So why are they making noise?
    Shoigu: Yes, just a pid ... of the race, Comrade Supreme Commander ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 27 October 2014 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: sounddoc
      Shoigu: No, Vladimir Vladimirovich, ALREADY none...

  28. SveTok
    SveTok 27 October 2014 17: 52
    +1
    Fears of the Swedes, this is the problem of the Swedes. Fears must be eliminated, and for starters you can not go blindly for NATO.
  29. Aibolit64
    Aibolit64 27 October 2014 18: 48
    +1
    The author has fulfilled the fee.
  30. Mih
    Mih 27 October 2014 21: 51
    0
    Despite the panic that swept the Swedes over a Russian submarine, the Baltic Fleet does not look so formidable. smile
    Although some scoff at the search operation of the Swedes, calling the panic moods of the Cold War no more than delusions, this hunt for a boat fits into the logic of Moscow’s more striking provocations. fellow
    Russia, however, is far from thoughtlessly probing the West. Analysts say that Moscow, in particular, is not indifferent to NATO countries. am
    According to Russian analysts, the hunt for a submarine may not be dictated by the presence of a real threat, but stem from the domestic policy of Sweden. fellow
  31. hard
    hard 27 October 2014 22: 37
    0
    "SHKHERNAYA MYSTERY". Rather naughty hysteria.
  32. DPZ
    DPZ 28 October 2014 04: 58
    0
    Russia becomes a problem again
    I wonder if they follow the sky well? and what will they do if they see a UFO or a mysterious light there? will they blame Russia too?