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Ukrainian "Sarmatians" will pose a real threat to the militia armored vehicles

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Soon, the Ukrainian National Guard under the Donbass will receive the Sarmat anti-tank complexes, which are installed on the chassis of armored vehicles of the Spartan type. According to experts, this weapon poses a real threat to the fleet of armored vehicles of the army of New Russia, including for its main tanks T-64 and T-72. About this in a new article published by the agency. Messenger of Mordovia, writes Dmitry Lemeshko.

Ukrainian "Sarmatians" will pose a real threat to the militia armored vehicles




The site of the developer and manufacturer, GP GKKB Luch, states that the Sarmat complex is used to destroy stationary and moving modern armored targets, including those with combined armor with dynamic protection, frozen helicopters and enemy manpower at any time. days.

“ATGM PK-3 and PK-2 have a maximum range of 2,5 km and 5,5 km, respectively. Rockets induced by a laser beam with target tracking, in automatic mode, can punch up to 800-850 mm of conventional armor, having previously overcome dynamic protection. The probability of hitting the target is up to 85%, ”the company said. According to some experts, the complex was intended "to fight with T-72B tanks equipped with dynamic protection" Contact-1 "and" Contact-5 "."

The complex’s ammunition can also include high-explosive fragmentation versions of missiles designed to destroy infantry.

Another feature of the combat module is that it is armed with a large-caliber machine gun (12,7 mm).

“The pointing device has a narrow and wide field of view television channels, a range finder and a rocket laser control channel. There is also the possibility of remote (up to 50 m) control weapons. For this, a special console with a screen in 12 inches was created, ”the author points out.

At the request of the customer, a thermal imaging camera can be installed, which increases the effectiveness of firing in conditions of bad weather and a smoke masking screen.

The car "Spartan" is equipped with a Ford V8 turbodiesel, which allows it to reach speeds of up to 110 km / h. Fuel tank capacity - 257 l. With the Sarmat complex, an armored vehicle will weigh more than 9 tons.

The deployment of the combat module on the Spartans is considered by some military experts to be a mistake, since this model was created for police and peacekeeping functions, but not for the destruction of tanks.



“Moreover, nobody carried out the real full-scale military tests of these machines in Ukraine. And, it is quite probable that exploitation in harsh conditions can reveal such shortcomings that no one now guesses. And problems with technology in war are always someone's lost lives in vain, ”writes Dmitry Lemeshko in conclusion.
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  1. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 October 2014 15: 37
    +58
    Germany also invented all sorts of child prodigies in the 45th. If the car is not stolen, there is no point in it.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 26 October 2014 15: 45
      +85
      Everything will come to light in real battles, then it will be possible to find out if the devil is so terrible as he is painted.
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 26 October 2014 15: 55
        +66
        For the tactics according to which the dill "fight", movement in columns exclusively along the highways, no super equipment will help! Sarmat - 9tn on wheels, in winter - only get into ambushes! Forward svidomye, new boilers have been waiting for you for a long time! am
        1. BOB044
          BOB044 26 October 2014 16: 16
          +11
          Aim 5,5 on the laser beam. This is not from motion but from a place.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 October 2014 17: 03
            +34
            I really hope that these cars in the form of trophies will fall into service with the army of New Russia. wink
            1. poquello
              poquello 26 October 2014 18: 55
              +2
              Quote: supertiger21
              I really hope that these cars in the form of trophies will fall into service with the army of New Russia. wink

              IMHO in vain hope, rather imported tanks, it is time for the militia to conclude futures with a kubinka
              1. GDP
                GDP 29 October 2014 14: 35
                +1
                A burst with a machine gun "cliff" of greenery from a distance of 500 meters and the end of this wunderwaffle.

                But in general, the situation is alarming. Ukraine has sufficient capacities to increase the production of new weapons and we need to think about it now and react accordingly ...
                But in the DNI and LC, the situation is not encouraging. Instead of uniting, creating a single army, a single country and establishing their own military-industrial complex - leadership and authorities share power ...
            2. Cornelius
              Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 19
              +5
              So far, apart from one BTR-4 near the "east", and a pair of new armored Krazovs, nothing new has come in.
              1. Penzyac
                Penzyac 26 October 2014 21: 45
                +1
                Quote: Cornelius
                So far, apart from one BTR-4 near the "east", and a pair of new armored Krazovs, nothing new has come in.

                And how much of this remains suitable for dill and what are the volumes of new production? ...
                1. Cornelius
                  Cornelius 27 October 2014 04: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: PENZYAC
                  Quote: Cornelius
                  So far, apart from one BTR-4 near the "east", and a pair of new armored Krazovs, nothing new has come in.

                  And how much of this remains suitable for dill and what are the volumes of new production? ...

                  I do not presume how much is left to judge. BTR-4, for all the time I saw 1 destroyed and 3 damaged (+ 1 wrung out). BTR-3 saw 2 destroyed. Crazov new saw 4 squeezed pieces (but I was not very interested in them). This is if we talk about losses confirmed by evidence. Really understandable more, but rather damaged. New APCs are protected, and they can shoot from afar ... the gun allows.
                  And I don’t remember the release of Krazov (a lot). BTR-3 can only 18 ordered in Kiev and a couple of mortars (at the parade) were called. BTR-4 for 90 pieces. It was ordered another 170 BTR-4 before the new year. But this is weakly real.
                  These are numbers from memory and about a month ago.
              2. AnaBat
                AnaBat 26 October 2014 22: 48
                +8
                "Supreme Commander-in-Chief" and Ukrainian generals in institutes studied one boiler building wassat
            3. kotyara
              kotyara 26 October 2014 23: 26
              +1
              The question is, are these machines worth the praise that they already praise them for? Given that they are not run-in, but created for other purposes, most likely they will need the militias only as a means of transportation and the module will simply be moved somewhere!
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 26 October 2014 21: 26
            +7
            From laser guidance, a smoke screen helps out very well. Very cheap and effective.
            1. Muadipus
              Muadipus 26 October 2014 23: 12
              +2
              and the laser beam itself miraculously gives out the position of the source.
              1. Gato
                Gato 27 October 2014 23: 49
                0
                Quote: Muadipus
                laser beam, wonderfully gives place to the position of the source

                Not very wonderful. The laser operates in the near infrared range and it can only be detected by technical means, which are not abundant in militias.
        2. Baster
          Baster 26 October 2014 16: 36
          +15
          The fighters of New Russia urgently need tons of white paint. Repaint your entire fleet by winter.
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 05
            +18
            urgently needed tons of white paint.

            In 1941, they managed quite successfully with whitewashing.
            1. Mih
              Mih 26 October 2014 18: 54
              -1
              In 1941, they managed quite successfully with whitewashing.

              This is not 1941. Hats are bare!
              1. Penzyac
                Penzyac 26 October 2014 21: 47
                +4
                Quote: Mih
                In 1941, they managed quite successfully with whitewashing.

                This is not 1941. Hats are bare!

                And what, then, was there snow of a different color? ...
                1. Mih
                  Mih 26 October 2014 22: 44
                  0
                  And what, then, was there snow of a different color? ...

                  Yes, the color was different - red. am
              2. gav6757
                gav6757 27 October 2014 00: 33
                0
                Hats ???
                Maybe checkers?
                And is it about 1941?
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 26 October 2014 17: 44
            +19
            Another feature of the combat module is that it is armed with a large-caliber machine gun (12,7 mm).

            but in the picture ... this ukrlpovsky ... pipelats ... armed-Degtyarev RPD 7,62 WWII ....

            however, there are not enough machine guns cal. 12,7 mm in the Ruin ... even for agitation ... hits!!!
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 26 October 2014 18: 23
              +13
              Quote: cosmos111
              but in the picture ... this ukrlpovsky ... pipelats ... armed-Degtyarev RPD 7,62 WWII ....

              What a RPD, okst. A disk store on top, a bell-flame arrestor - in general, an explicit DP. Judging by the location of the bipod, modification 1944 PDM. A RPD - tape power, intermediate cartridge 7.62x39. The only thing they have in common is that Degtyarev did both.
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 26 October 2014 19: 29
                +6
                Quote: Nagan
                bschem, explicit DP. Judging by the location of the bipod, modification 1944 PDM. A RPD - tape power, intermediate cartridge 7.62x3

                Naganu: in a hurry, mistaken, with whom it does not happen request ...

                the main point: "cool" Ukropov armored car, with a DP machine gun developed in 1924 ...
                I am writing for sure that the dill have a "machine-gun hunger" ... unless of course the yankers do something ...
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 27 October 2014 01: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  unless of course the yankers poke something ...

                  Unrealistic at the moment, at least openly. So far, Congress has approved only non-lethal aid, that is, mainly dry food. And then, you will have to throw in along with the cartridges, and this is an extra inconsistency and, as a result, logistics failures, such as "grenades of the wrong system"© White Sun of the Desert.
                  Here, rather, from the former "brotherhood in arms" of the Warsaw Pact, we must wait for the podlyany. Their system is the same, and the caliber is the same, they should have been lying around in warehouses. And Uncle Sam will already give them a NATO standard. Something like this.
              2. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 26 October 2014 19: 42
                +3
                Quote: Nagan
                The only thing they have in common is that Degtyarev did both.

                As well as the barrel, bolt and vent system. Initially, under a cartridge of 7.62 by 54, but the transition under an intermediate cartridge allowed to save weight and increase wearable ammunition.
              3. 73bor
                73bor 26 October 2014 20: 03
                +1
                I agree, DP-27 in person ...
              4. gross kaput
                gross kaput 27 October 2014 14: 13
                +1
                Well, actually a classic DP, with DPM, the return was moved to the tube above the butt, and accordingly there is a pistol grip.
            2. Non-war
              Non-war 26 October 2014 19: 05
              +2
              but in the picture ... this ukrlpovsky ... pipelats ... armed-Degtyarev RPD 7,62 WWII .... - Well, actually it's not Spartan, but a Kozak fighting vehicle, a prototype, this is firstly)) And secondly, I suspect that this rarity of the times of the Second World War was put up for fun more in order to attract more attention.
              1. Who
                Who 26 October 2014 20: 02
                +7
                Duc, the maydanutyh have everything "for fun"
                1. Penzyac
                  Penzyac 26 October 2014 21: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: vem
                  Duc, the maydanutyh have everything "for fun"

                  They have already started to arm themselves with the Maxims, and so soon they get to the Lewis ...
                  1. Non-war
                    Non-war 26 October 2014 22: 00
                    +2
                    Оnot already "for fun" they began to arm themselves with the "Maxims", so soon they "got to the Lewis" ... - Maxim was taken into service by volunteers from the Right Sector, like, not the army. Such kindness as small arms and machine guns - in bulk, is enough to smack nonsense, in warehouses there are actually several million people from the time of the Allies.
                    PS, by the way, judging by the reviews, Maxim in the modern war was not superfluous - the rate of fire and range of the battle is good.
                    1. Aljavad
                      Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 15
                      0
                      in warehouses, it’s actually for several million people since allied times.

                      Really not sold out?
                      1. Non-war
                        Non-war 26 October 2014 22: 28
                        +3
                        Your ernichanie inappropriate)) No, of course, did not sell out. The reserves after the collapse of the Union remained mega huge, after 23 devastation and spoiling, they decreased to simply huge.
                      2. kotyara
                        kotyara 26 October 2014 23: 31
                        +1
                        If there are huge reserves, it is not clear why PS and other volunteer battalions with a rarity of museums are fighting?
                    2. Passer
                      Passer 26 October 2014 23: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Non-war
                      Maxim was adopted by volunteers from the Right Sector, like, not the army.

                      Maxim is better not on the Cossack, but on the cart he will look.
                    3. lelikas
                      lelikas 27 October 2014 00: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Non-war
                      Maxim in the modern war was not superfluous - the rate of fire and range of the battle is good

                      I’m even afraid to ask - what did they shoot from before, if they liked the rate of fire?
                      1. Midshipman
                        Midshipman 29 October 2014 10: 47
                        0
                        Duc 600 rounds / min like. Normal rate of fire for all our machine guns and machine guns
              2. Aljavad
                Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 13
                +1
                I suspect that this rarity of the times of the Second World War was put up for fun more

                And the "maxims" freshly painted in the fields are also dragged for fun?
            3. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 26 October 2014 19: 39
              +1
              To be precise, then the DP-27th year of adoption for service under the cartridge 7.62 at 54. RPD with a cartridge 7.62 at 39 and with tape power.
            4. understudy
              understudy 26 October 2014 20: 15
              +1
              Quote: cosmos111
              however, there are not enough machine guns cal. 12,7 mm

              Not an indicator. Advertising and nothing more. "Maxim" would be the same enticing "crown" over the pepelats, like the current one. It is possible to adapt the musket, the essence of the chassis will not change.
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            5. Normal ok
              Normal ok 26 October 2014 22: 08
              +1
              This is an exhibition model of KRAZ - well, there’s no extra machine gun at the car factory. So they put the first one. Maybe from the museum or maybe a dummy.
              1. Aljavad
                Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 20
                +3
                This is an exhibition model of KRAZ - well, there’s no extra machine gun at the car factory. So they put the first one. Maybe from the museum or maybe a dummy.

                No need to drive! Below is a photo of the transfer of 10 cars of the National Guard this week!
                With the same "tar"!
                And "Maxim" was not by car, but stupidly in the field.
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          3. Dilshat
            Dilshat 26 October 2014 21: 19
            +1
            Rather, ukronazists need to harvest tons of white rags and diapers.
        3. O_RUS
          O_RUS 26 October 2014 20: 13
          +4
          Quote: Paradoxov
          Sarmat - 9tn on wheels,


          Question to professional drivers - how will Sarmat 9ton behave on the roads of Ukraine?
          The earth is quite "fat" ...
          1. Demob 2012
            Demob 2012 26 October 2014 21: 54
            +4
            in 1994, in February, at a training in the Rostov Region, we drove onto an GAZ-66 frozen arable land, then it rained all day and the arable land became muddy, the car sat on bridges, then we tried to pull it out on a bunch of several ZILs, but they couldn’t and left in the middle of the field, until the weather improves. So have a good off-road driving am
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          3. skeket
            skeket 27 October 2014 01: 17
            +2
            Quote: O_RUS
            Question to professional drivers - how will Sarmat 9ton behave on the roads of Ukraine?

            I live in the Black Earth region, which means the soil is similar. So, in a muddy black soil, a wheeled tractor can get bogged down.
          4. Belgorodets
            Belgorodets 27 October 2014 16: 57
            +2
            It depends on the driver’s experience.
            My first two trips along the Belgorod off-road to UAZ-452 ended in a campaign for a tractor. Then, somehow it went easier. :)
            In general, for Sarmatia with its weight of 9t and the 4x4 formula, our off-road after long rains is very contraindicated. But if the driver is experienced, then it is possible to drive over the landings, if you do not impudent and know the ground.
      2. Juborg
        Juborg 26 October 2014 16: 06
        +28
        What are we talking about now? Dill is now equipped with concrete armored armored vehicles, concrete tanks are likely to appear soon, and wooden bicycles for airborne troops. 3-4 and even 10 of these weather machines will not do. Yes, and the price of one platform is too high for dill (of course, if the brothers do not put the euro in debt engines and components). In addition, the development of the production of new ATGMs requires financing and real money, and not loans under guarantees. I think again another PR, like the Ukrainian space.
        1. Yaro001
          Yaro001 26 October 2014 16: 52
          +6
          They dug up the Black Sea. So they can all. fellow
          1. Mih
            Mih 26 October 2014 19: 06
            +2
            They dug up the Black Sea.

            And they continue to dig. Dig, Shura, dig. fellow A diamond will sparkle from the ashes. fellow
          2. mamont5
            mamont5 26 October 2014 20: 10
            +2
            Quote: Yaro001
            They dug up the Black Sea. So they can all. fellow


            It is not they, but their "great" ancestors. It is unlikely that today's Ukrainians will be able to repeat that "feat". Another Maidan will interfere.
            1. Mih
              Mih 26 October 2014 20: 33
              0
              It is unlikely that today's Ukrainians will be able to repeat that "feat".

              So I do not understand - do you really agree that dill dug up the Black Sea? Here I am, although I have the least relation to geology, but geological reports are a document for me. As a young man, I was not so fond of geology, but I read books and not only authors from the USSR.
              And you know that such a statement ukrov does not go into the general concept of geological processes that shaped our planet.
              I can’t understand the world community - Ukrainians are the basis of civilization.
              laughing
              1. Svist
                Svist 26 October 2014 21: 11
                +3
                Quote: Mih
                So I do not understand - do you really agree that dill dug up the Black Sea?

                Humor must be understood ... smile
                1. Penzyac
                  Penzyac 26 October 2014 22: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Svist
                  Quote: Mih
                  So I do not understand - do you really agree that dill dug up the Black Sea?

                  Humor must be understood ... smile

                  I understand that hydrogen sulfide in the Black Sea is also from the great ukrov? ... belay wassat
                  1. builder
                    builder 26 October 2014 22: 57
                    +3
                    Of course .... According to legend, during construction, they erased footcloths there (by the way, they also invented footcloths))))
                  2. Mih
                    Mih 26 October 2014 22: 57
                    +2
                    I understand that hydrogen sulfide in the Black Sea is also from the great ukrov

                    According to the statements of urops - this is the result of washing !!! laughing
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                  4. DRA-88
                    DRA-88 26 October 2014 23: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: PENZYAC
                    I understand that hydrogen sulfide in the Black Sea is also from the great ukrov? ...

                    And sulfur and hydrogen, and together they are all from dill!
                    I will tell you more, that elephant on which turtles hold our frying pan-planet --- also from dill!
                    Dill - The source, dill base!
                    Dill is primary, matter is secondary !!! wassat
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 26 October 2014 23: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      Dill is primary, matter is secondary !!! wassat


                      And they already really believe in it! ... wassat
                      1. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 26 October 2014 23: 45
                        -2
                        Quote: studentmati
                        And they already really believe in it! ...

                        Andron Calider rescue from dill!
                    2. npv554f
                      npv554f 28 October 2014 23: 03
                      0
                      At that time, when our universe was created as a result of the big bang, the first-round was already 150 thousand years old.
                2. Mih
                  Mih 26 October 2014 22: 49
                  0
                  Humor must be understood ...

                  Well, I understood the humor, however, the content of the site does not have humor. love
              2. Aljavad
                Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 26
                +1
                I can’t understand the world community - Ukrainians are the basis of civilization.
                laughing

                The fun of the day is that in any country you can find a freak writing books about the first people from his country. But only in Ukraine they began to teach it at school!
                Threat! Remembered! Hitler also said that among the ancestors of the Germans there were no monkeys, but only the ancient Greeks ...
                1. Mih
                  Mih 26 October 2014 23: 02
                  0
                  Hitler also said that among the ancestors of the Germans there were no monkeys, but only the ancient Greeks ...


                  No, he is Hitler, argued that they are arias !!!! fellow
              3. mamont5
                mamont5 27 October 2014 05: 43
                0
                Quote: Mih
                So I do not understand - do you really agree that dill dug up the Black Sea?


                Actually, I'm in my right mind and memory. smile A laugh is never harmful.
            2. Wheel
              Wheel 27 October 2014 00: 51
              0
              Quote: mamont5
              These are not they, but their "great" ancestors. It is unlikely that today's Ukrainians will be able to repeat that "feat".

              Well, what about the Ukrainians of such a low opinion?
              Slowly digging a ditch along the Russian border, even dug 80km. laughing
              Then they will slaughter and expand, you look and Belarus will get access to the sea! laughing
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 27 October 2014 01: 24
                0
                Quote: Wheel
                so what about ukrainians of such a low opinion?
                Slowly digging a ditch along the Russian border, even dug 80km.


                With their head, they can dig a metro to phishington! laughing
                Hi Kamrad!
          3. Simple
            Simple 26 October 2014 22: 08
            +3
            Quote: Yaro001
            They dug up the Black Sea. So they can all.



            .....................

            The price of state political technology.
            Without words.


            1. mmrr
              mmrr 26 October 2014 23: 17
              +1
              The beds for dill.
              1. Simple
                Simple 26 October 2014 23: 33
                0
                Quote: mmrr
                The beds for dill.



                Some quite consciously ask there.


          4. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 26 October 2014 22: 26
            +4
            Quote: Yaro001
            They dug up the Black Sea. So they can all.


            + good

            so yes ... a whole world of prostitutes provided
            1. Mih
              Mih 26 October 2014 23: 06
              +2
              so yes ... a whole world of prostitutes provided

              This is very valuable !! Ukrainian gel !!! (beatles) fellow
          5. ZKB
            ZKB 26 October 2014 23: 06
            +1
            Quote: Yaro001
            They dug up the Black Sea. So they can all. fellow


            and they can dig, they can not dig))))
            1. Mih
              Mih 26 October 2014 23: 11
              0
              and they can dig, they can not dig))
              \
              A big plus - I like the way you think. fellow
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          7. Omskgasmyas
            Omskgasmyas 27 October 2014 06: 34
            0
            Yes Yes! And the Caucasus Mountains were poured with soil from the foundation pit. So write the most honest Svidomye "scientists" in their textbooks "ukroistorii". laughing
            1. Cornelius
              Cornelius 27 October 2014 21: 01
              -1
              Quote: Omskgazmyas
              Yes Yes! And the Caucasus Mountains were poured with soil from the foundation pit. So write the most honest Svidomye "scientists" in their textbooks "ukroistorii". laughing

              Where do you get this nonsense? My children go to school there, nothing like that is even close.
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 08
          +4
          the price of one platform is already too high for dill (of course, if the brothers don’t put the engines in euros on loan). In addition, the development of the production of new ATGMs

          My humble think: It's about retrofitting the available ones. Run something in a series - a penny treba. And they don’t even pay for gas even in Europe.
          1. Cornelius
            Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 21
            0
            Like 10 put with conventional weapons (like AGS + shooter). And 10 sent to put on the beam modules.
      3. Koloradovatnik
        Koloradovatnik 26 October 2014 16: 16
        +1
        What, the new anti-tank systems will come into service of the militia?
      4. Akvadra
        Akvadra 26 October 2014 17: 09
        +7
        Of course, it’s more dangerous than PAZikov, but in my opinion, for such a mass the engine is rather weak. On the road, but in the mud, nothing to do. (ambushes only on asphalt?). Arms overloaded. We need trained operators. The specific purpose of the machine is foggy. (General ass to roll). Yes, and dear. If not a bluff, we will soon find out more about them.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 26 October 2014 22: 23
          0
          Quote: Akvadra
          Of course, it’s more dangerous than PAZikov, but in my opinion, for such a mass the engine is rather weak. On the road, but in the mud, nothing to do. (ambushes only on asphalt?). Arms overloaded. We need trained operators. The specific purpose of the machine is foggy. (General ass to roll). Yes, and dear. If not a bluff, we will soon find out more about them.

          Mass production certainly does not shine for them.
      5. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 26 October 2014 17: 29
        +5
        The question is: how many of these "Spartans-Sarmatians" are there in the Ukroparmiya? And how much money can they spend on purchasing this equipment?
        It seems to me that Pan Ataman has no gold reserves ....
        1. Cornelius
          Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 22
          0
          Currently 21
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 26 October 2014 22: 28
            0
            Quote: Cornelius
            Currently 21

            Just everything? For the whole of Dill? The Germans had more Ferdinands, but what's the point? Especially compare Ferdinand and this super-cart ...
            1. Cornelius
              Cornelius 27 October 2014 02: 39
              0
              Quote: PENZYAC
              Quote: Cornelius
              Currently 21

              Just everything? For the whole of Dill? The Germans had more Ferdinands, but what's the point? Especially compare Ferdinand and this super-cart ...

              Why do I need to compare different cars from different times. And 20 of them were done in 1,5 months, and this is without taking into account other works. For Ukraine, this is a good result.
              1. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 29 October 2014 00: 22
                0
                Quote: Cornelius
                And 20 of them were done in 1,5 months, and this is without taking into account other works. For Ukraine, this is a good result.


                ... ha for some it’s peperdzh and for Ukraine this gas is strategic raw material.
      6. RUSS
        RUSS 26 October 2014 17: 31
        +2
        Quote: Giant thought
        Everything will come to light in real battles, then it will be possible to find out if the devil is so terrible as he is painted.


        Without any aviation in Ukraine there is no, it is difficult to conduct ground combat operations and all these "supercars" are not a panacea ....
        1. Mih
          Mih 26 October 2014 18: 37
          0
          Without aviation, in which there is no Ukraine

          Yes, this is the most real solution to the problem, and why not? Aviation can erase this formation and turn them into neo -ertals. laughing
        2. Mih
          Mih 26 October 2014 18: 57
          +5
          Without aviation in Ukraine

          Russia should raise the issue of disarmament of Ukrainian military units at the UN, which do not obey the orders of Kiev. If this is not done within a week after the declaration, then the positions of illegal armed groups must be fired from missile systems.
          This was stated by Major General Aviation, Hero of the Soviet Union Alexander Rutskoi, reports IA Navigator
        3. cosmos111
          cosmos111 26 October 2014 20: 24
          +5
          The car "Spartan" is equipped with a Ford V8 turbodiesel, which allows it to reach speeds of up to 110 km / h. Fuel tank capacity - 257 l. With the Sarmat complex, an armored vehicle will weigh more than 9 tons.


          all these so-called ukropovsk armored auto designs ... have nothing to do with ukram
          _____________________________________________________________________
          EVERYTHING IS DEVELOPED BY THE FIRM (((Canadian-United Arab Emirates))): "STRTET GROUP"

          ARMORED VEHICLE "Spartan APC" built in Ontario
          info from: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Streit_Group_Spartan_APC_SWAT_Built_in_Innisfi




          l, _Ontario, _Canada.jpg
          1. Juborg
            Juborg 26 October 2014 21: 26
            +1
            It's like the Ukrop (Izril !!!) "Fort", there is a stupid supply of weapons under the guise of some kind of spare parts, they are assembled in Ukraine, passing off as their development. By the way, the scheme is pretty primitive. But no one will supply weapons for free, even under the guarantee of payment and the complete destruction of resistance in the territories of Novorossia. There are no fools. For dry ration, the mattress covers took out the remains of the gold reserve of the former Ukraine. What will be taken by Israel or someone else, one can only guess.
        4. Styx
          Styx 26 October 2014 20: 50
          +4
          How is it not aviation, but what then? Why skipping lessons laughing ?
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 32
            0
            How is it not aviation, but what then? Why are we missing out on lessons?

            I understand that the GDP STRONGLY examined the Ukrainian Air Force ... am
        5. Penzyac
          Penzyac 26 October 2014 22: 31
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Giant thought
          Everything will come to light in real battles, then it will be possible to find out if the devil is so terrible as he is painted.


          Without aviation, in Ukraine there is no ...

          No, thank God!
      7. Korvin1000
        Korvin1000 26 October 2014 17: 38
        0
        Good car. The armies of New Russia will be useful, but they will get to them without a doubt wink
        Nobody knows Novrossia has mastered the captured "Tochki-U"? It's time for us to supply them, for sure, somewhere in warehouses
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 26 October 2014 19: 46
          +2
          If you remove one missile from the Iskander, it will easily pass for the trophy Point y.
        2. Cornelius
          Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 23
          +2
          Novorossiya did not capture Tochka-U. Infa fake 100%. Actually, only one broken hurricane was captured.
      8. Mih
        Mih 26 October 2014 18: 32
        -1
        is the devil so terrible as he is painted.

        Giant, do you understand where you are pushing us? Damn, of course, not scary. But I am against the fact that young guys, without preparation - the artillery and at least any other, rushed at Ukropov. You can lose the young generation very quickly. I do not want to be in the country of the elderly. My opinion is a neutron weapon, but we'll figure it out. soldier
        1. Mih
          Mih 26 October 2014 19: 20
          -3
          neutron weapon, and then we'll figure it out

          Minus -? neutron weapons and burn with a blue flame. Generals -? Ha? am
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 26 October 2014 22: 46
            0
            Quote: Mih
            neutron weapon, and then we'll figure it out

            Minus -? neutron weapons and burn with a blue flame. Generals -? Ha? am

            Provocative offer. Only we and the Americans have neutron weapons. Are you out of your mind? fool
            1. Mih
              Mih 26 October 2014 22: 54
              0
              Only we and the Americans have neutron weapons.

              This is a pure weapon. love
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 26 October 2014 23: 00
                0
                Quote: Mih
                This is a pure weapon. love


                In respect of?
        2. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 26 October 2014 19: 50
          +3
          Quote: Mih
          My opinion is neutron weapons,
          Another Chernobyl, or burn it with fire ... you give radiation to all of Ukraine! ... and if the wind blows in our direction?
          You need to think what you offer! An asterisk fell from the sky, straighten Min, I’ll throw it in my pants, let it irradiate everything there, if only there would be no war!
          1. Mih
            Mih 26 October 2014 20: 13
            0
            shasherin_pavel EN
            Another Chernobyl

            I respect your opinion, but you do not quite understand what a neutron weapon is. The entry of infantrymen into the territory, after the shelling, can be in a week - according to the definition of chemical defense troops.
            You by love in all likelihood, you don’t understand what kind of weapon we are talking about.
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 37
              +1
              The entry of infantrymen into the territory, after the shelling, can be in a week - according to the definition of chemical defense troops.
              ... to collect and bury the corpses of ALL LIVING BEINGS in the affected area!
              Children, women, old people, dogs, cats, birds, rats, pigs, cows, etc.
              If not removed - an outbreak of epidemics. Clean up - .... Want YOURSELF ?????
      9. Naum
        Naum 26 October 2014 19: 13
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        how to paint it.

        ... like his little ones!))) There is always an antidote to any muck. In this case, you can use a lot - PTR, kr.kalib. machine guns, RPGs and barrel artillery. By the way, I don’t see the use of small calibers - 45 and 76 mm cannons, which were quite effective 70 years ago. Yes, the times are different, but even now they can be successfully used to pick up armor from ambushes. These guns are also highly mobile. You can use anti-aircraft mounts against light armored vehicles. Yes, a lot of things you can catch.
      10. Mih
        Mih 26 October 2014 21: 01
        +1
        Giant thought
        Everything will come to light in real battles,

        Well, of course, everything will appear in real battles! A real fight is not about knocking keys. laughing
      11. gav6757
        gav6757 27 October 2014 00: 31
        0
        I fully support! Let's see what kind of “Sarmatians” are there, maybe they are good only to score in the wall!
        In general, for such a machine, such a weight ??? Yes, in Ukrainian black soil ... it seems to me it will be problematic!
        Well, is it possible that this STRESHILKA will ride on asphalt ?!
    2. BOB044
      BOB044 26 October 2014 15: 54
      +6
      I do not agree. It hurts the characteristic of the complex is good. The militia does not have such a technique. From us, they would have something to counter, would have a good forehead. Yes, and the armor of the technology now did dill. But we hope that this complex will not work with dill.
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 26 October 2014 16: 06
        +5
        Th that looks very cool TTX, well, let them try to confirm ...
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        2. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 26 October 2014 16: 19
          +4
          Quote: Evgen_Vasilich
          Well, let them try to confirm ...

          let them try to drive under RPG-7 and try to withstand 7VL ...
          All sorts of "tigers" among the Nazis also fired far and steeply, but war is war, and when 34 quickly approached them, the nemchura ran away, abandoning her tin cans ...
          Yes, and I didn’t hear something that ATGMs were made on ukroruin, and let the machine be made stronger so that 2A42 would not break through (HA, HA, HA !!!)
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        3. Aljavad
          Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 17
          +3
          Th that looks very cool TTX, well, let them try to confirm ...


          belay And the interior is leather ??? bully
          1. quote
            quote 26 October 2014 17: 41
            +7
            And the interior is leather ???
            Yes, with layers of fat and grated garlic to a shine!
            1. vtnsk
              vtnsk 26 October 2014 18: 06
              0
              And do they add vodka to the charges? Or how?... laughing
              1. Mih
                Mih 26 October 2014 19: 12
                +1
                vtnsk
                And do they add vodka to the charges? Or how?...

                Well, I don’t know ... If they add, then we'll see - what, and maybe! Take alikaps - and you will be happy! laughing
              2. Penzyac
                Penzyac 26 October 2014 22: 56
                0
                Quote: vtnsk
                And do they add vodka to the charges? Or how?... laughing

                She probably works on the vortex engine ...
                Although, then she would probably not even start in Ukropia ...
                Now, if on urine ... Its dill has an excess, many endlessly hit in the head and ...
              3. SAM 5
                SAM 5 26 October 2014 23: 18
                0
                They will peel off if the vial is flooded. They themselves will all die out.
          2. Mih
            Mih 26 October 2014 19: 24
            0
            And the interior is leather ???

            Pork skin? And fat? laughing
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          4. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 26 October 2014 19: 28
            +1
            Quote: Aljavad
            And the interior is leather ???

            Yes - young dermantine.
          5. Mih
            Mih 26 October 2014 20: 52
            0
            Th that looks very cool TTX, well, let them try to confirm.

            Well, if these are Europeans, they will confirm. Europe can not pull it when the priest is without gas. laughing
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 26 October 2014 16: 07
        +20
        Quote: BOB044
        From us, they would have something to counter, would have a good forehead

        Complete strangulation of the economy, so that no plant works, especially a military one.
        Only economic collapse will knock the soil out from under the feet of the Kiev junta.
        -Roughly? And where to go? But we cannot allow ourselves to have an absolutely hostile state at our side.
        Anyway! Is it time to deploy acts of sabotage, wrecking and sabotage at Ukrainian military factories? Do their bosses and managers also pick up and steal from them and can this be used well?
        1. Mih
          Mih 26 October 2014 21: 16
          -1
          Only economic collapse will knock the soil out from under the feet of the Kiev junta.

          So this is a common place, and so all the tanks, armored personnel carriers, and so on are ridiculous. In Chechnya, here is peace and quiet! love
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 26 October 2014 23: 13
          +1
          Quote: Arberes
          Quote: BOB044
          From us, they would have something to counter, would have a good forehead

          Complete strangulation of the economy, so that no plant works, especially a military one.
          Only economic collapse will knock the soil out from under the feet of the Kiev junta.
          -Roughly? And where to go? But we cannot allow ourselves to have an absolutely hostile state at our side.
          Anyway! Is it time to deploy acts of sabotage, wrecking and sabotage at Ukrainian military factories? Do their bosses and managers also pick up and steal from them and can this be used well?

          It is even possible under the guise of innovation to reduce the cost of production.
          Or, for example, just replace diesel fuel of the Euro-5 class (the engine is imported, and most likely with a neutralizer) with cheap tractor diesel fuel, and expensive imported motor oil with cheap tractor diesel lubricant. It's even easier with gasoline engines. How long will such an engine work? But people will also earn money.
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 26 October 2014 16: 12
        +4
        Quote: BOB044
        The militia has no such

        No? Will be! Captured and used against the authors. I suspect so!
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        2. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 26 October 2014 16: 22
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          No? Will be! Captured and used against the authors. I suspect so!

          and one machine to RUSSIA, so for consideration, and then to the front ...
          1. Evgen_Vasilich
            Evgen_Vasilich 26 October 2014 16: 35
            +3
            what is it to us a dull product of the body’s vital activity ???
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 26 October 2014 16: 57
              +1
              Quote: Evgen_Vasilich
              why is it sad to us

              Everything that fell into the hands of the enemy during the fighting has nothing to do with technology thefts. The enemy has the right to repeat! Even if it is Belarusian, friendly. Taken from ukrov, then captured in battle. I have every right to study, and even repeat, with appropriate changes and additions.
              For good reason the penguins asked their Hammer to give. Not so much the machine they need, but the equipment installed inside. That is not given. And the nephites are scattered!
              1. Cornelius
                Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 26
                +1
                Novorossiya is not part of Russia, at least for now. Legally, a "trophy" disassembled in Russia will be theft, you have not forgotten that the RF Armed Forces do not participate in the battles in Donbass?
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 26 October 2014 22: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Cornelius
                  New Russia is not part of Russia

                  Yes and no need to be part of the state. It is enough to be on friendly terms with him. Examples? They are full! MiG-25 hijacked to Japan, has been carefully studied by US experts. Is this theft?
                  The plane shot down by the Serbs partially fell into Russia.
                  And so on! laughing
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 October 2014 17: 04
              0
              Don't tell me, the launcher is cool there. Basic, before installing "Cliff"
              1. svp67
                svp67 26 October 2014 17: 42
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                before installing "Cliff"
                They call it "modestly" KT-12,7 ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 26 October 2014 18: 03
                  +3
                  Does it matter how they call him names. The question is that this machine gun, with a probability close to one, will stomp the ATGM control system

                  Looks like the gifted little hands itched on the topic "something more powerful", so the hard workers had to create this fake.

                  In general, purely by the presence of this machine gun, one can make an unambiguous conclusion: they have no idea what anti-tank units should do.
                  1. Aljavad
                    Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 41
                    +1
                    In general, purely by the presence of this machine gun, one can make an unambiguous conclusion: they have no idea what anti-tank units should do.

                    Yeah ... On the principle: two guns and a knife in his teeth ... wink
            3. Mih
              Mih 26 October 2014 19: 16
              0
              What is it to us a dull product of the body?

              Yes, no, but where to take the product? That is the question. (Shakespeare. Hamlet)
            4. GRANATE-19
              GRANATE-19 26 October 2014 19: 35
              +1
              Quote: Evgen_Vasilich
              what is it to us a dull product of the body’s vital activity ???

              So it should be, for show, to study technology and materials ...
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          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2014 16: 39
            +6
            Quote: GRANATE-19
            and one machine in RUSSIA

            What for? A missile is nothing outstanding. And the management system is Belarusian.
      4. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 26 October 2014 16: 43
        +6
        A new target for the ATRA 1941 release. If the armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are carried out with this gun, then such a car - even more so.
      5. Styx
        Styx 26 October 2014 20: 29
        +6
        And so it goes as a reaction? well, at least a little smile :)) a little pasitffa
        1. Mih
          Mih 26 October 2014 20: 38
          +1
          Styx

          Styx - You are the Styx! fellow
    3. Finches
      Finches 26 October 2014 15: 54
      +17
      That's right!
      The junta, like Hitler in 45, is beginning to hope for a miracle! Either on the arrival of Bandera - "Bandera will come, he will bring order!", Then to the West - "Abroad will help us!", Then on the weapon of retaliation!
      Yesterday, here on VO, it was written about the super-stove, they say the khan will come to the "separatists" now!
      laughing
      One must also be able to fight on these "Sarmats"! Prepare the crews, have fuel for them, organize escort and cover, sharpen the tactics of battle for them ... and a lot of things need to be done to make them high!
      Clowns !!!
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 26 October 2014 16: 11
        +4
        Exactly! And don't forget about fuel, who pumps oil to Kremenchug? Does Lisichansk work in full cycle? And how the "Arctic" is boiled there, God only knows, and dill winter solarium for offensive plans will need oh, how much. And it would be time for the militia to send humanitarian women, another 400 "semi-loaded" KAMAZ vehicles ... wink
        1. saag
          saag 26 October 2014 18: 31
          0
          Quote: Paradoxov
          And how the "Arctic" is cooked there, God only knows

          Why boil it, it’s enough to add everything to ordinary kerosene
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 26 October 2014 23: 26
            0
            Quote: saag
            Quote: Paradoxov
            And how the "Arctic" is cooked there, God only knows

            Why boil it, it’s enough to add everything to ordinary kerosene

            And you can not add, so some will be more profitable ...
      2. Samaritan
        Samaritan 26 October 2014 16: 16
        +6
        Any sniper will disable this unit ...
        And regarding the machine itself: it should stand on opposite open terrain the opposite T72 will take aim and hit and all this is faster than the tank ... Are there such brave dill, a big question ???
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 26 October 2014 16: 23
          +10
          The usual tactic of an anti-tank officer on such "carts" is to ambush in a tank-dangerous direction and wait for the enemy to approach. in an offensive battle - hide in the folds of the terrain and try to knock out enemy tanks from behind your troops. ahead of all, these machines can only be on patrol.
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 13
            +4
            can only be on patrol.


            The deputies will be proud of them and it is important to travel around Kiev!

            New, beautiful jeeps - yes to the front line ???? I do not believe.

            Toning, tuning and will ride themselves.
            1. wasjasibirjac
              wasjasibirjac 27 October 2014 15: 03
              0
              Quote: Aljavad
              The deputies will be proud of them and it is important to travel around Kiev!

              New, beautiful jeeps - yes to the front line ???? I do not believe.

              Toning, tuning and will ride themselves.
              In Kiev with anti-tank systems and a machine gun on the roof. cool but necessary, given the morals of the new deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, they will remove the parliamentary immunity by firing a ATGM am
          2. Mih
            Mih 26 October 2014 19: 35
            0
            hide in the folds of the terrain and try to knock out enemy tanks

            I don’t even know what to say - to hide in the folds of the area?
            Try to knock out - Are you kidding me? Is this what we see will “knock out”? Well, I don’t know, I don’t understand the new concept of armored forces. And is this our armor?
            laughing
            1. ZKB
              ZKB 26 October 2014 23: 26
              0
              with good mobility and the possibility of rapid departure, the installation of ATGMs on an armored car is very effective. it’s another matter that the same T72s themselves have a complex of guided weapons, so these machines will not cause much fear. + The control of the PTur by laser has its drawbacks: 1. use in winter is difficult, 2. the laser is easy to detect and give greetings
              1. Penzyac
                Penzyac 26 October 2014 23: 46
                0
                Quote: ZKB
                with good mobility and the possibility of quick departure

                A quick retreat in an armored car in the snow? In the snowdrifts in the ravines? Yes, he is away from the road and in the summer it can get stuck. What the hell does he have in winter mobility? A disposable grenade launcher is a little more powerful than some kind of "Fly" and that's it, she will hardly be allowed to shoot a second time. But how many tens or even hundreds of times this "miracle Yudo" is more expensive than a regular RPG-7?
                1. ZKB
                  ZKB 26 October 2014 23: 59
                  0
                  A disposable grenade launcher is a little more powerful than some kind of "Fly" and that's it, she will hardly be allowed to shoot a second time. But how many tens or even hundreds of times this "miracle Yudo" is more expensive than a regular RPG-7?

                  a fly and 7 at 5km do not hit. this weapon is at 50-400 meters.
                2. ZKB
                  ZKB 26 October 2014 23: 59
                  0
                  A disposable grenade launcher is a little more powerful than some kind of "Fly" and that's it, she will hardly be allowed to shoot a second time. But how many tens or even hundreds of times this "miracle Yudo" is more expensive than a regular RPG-7?

                  a fly and 7 at 5km do not hit. this weapon is at 50-400 meters.
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        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 12
          0
          stand up opposite t72

          laughing through A and C is written! tongue
        3. Mih
          Mih 26 October 2014 21: 09
          +1
          Any sniper will disable this unit ...

          Fly on a badge ... fellow
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2014 16: 10
      +6
      Quote: Zomanus
      Germany also invented all sorts of child prodigies in the 45th

      Thanks to these prodigies, both the USSR and Pendo-penguin were in space. The nuclear weapon is also from that opera. Yes, you never know which of their ideas was implemented in other countries,
    5. Kostyar
      Kostyar 26 October 2014 16: 37
      +4
      It is hard to believe that 4-wheel 9 tons in fields and forests, along ditches, bumps and bumps - this armored car will be relevant ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 October 2014 16: 52
        +4
        Speak correctly ... But the Russian "Tiger" with "Cornets" on board is the same stupid machine.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 26 October 2014 17: 34
          +4
          Ukrainian "Sarmatians" will pose a real threat to the militia armored vehicles


          in the meantime, Ukrainian armored vehicles pose a real threat ... ATGM "Kornet" (((9М133)))

          BTR-4E ukrovermahta, lined with a cornet
          клик


          info s:http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSKCN0IC1GE20141023#a=3
          1. Cornelius
            Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 32
            0
            What a strange link you gave. There are photos of the T-72 with contacts, white circles ... In a word, what is attributed to the supplies of the Russian Defense Ministry to the militia.
            P.S. I do not see anything surprising in the downing of an APC from Cornet. Well, except that you wanted to hint about the supply of normal weapons from Russia.
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 26 October 2014 19: 14
          +3
          What? Our "Tiger" Doesn't roll? belay
        3. Former tank crew
          Former tank crew 26 October 2014 19: 56
          +1
          What do you think about this miracle of the Russian military car industry? Extended UAZ "Hunter" with two AGS on the roof? ...
      2. Mih
        Mih 26 October 2014 19: 40
        0
        this armored car will be relevant ...

        For Poroshenko, this is the best Ukrainian "JEEP" - and what did you think, he is a thinking man. laughing
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      4. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 26 October 2014 19: 42
        0
        Quote: Bone
        It is hard to believe that 4-wheel 9 tons in fields and forests, along ditches, bumps and bumps - this armored car will be relevant ...

        Our "TIGER" is relevant, but this prototype should be looked after ...
    6. Matroskin 18
      Matroskin 18 26 October 2014 19: 00
      +4
      They don’t have money for machine guns, but look - armored cars with combat modules! I believe that Benya acquired them in order to protect their collectors! laughing
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    8. Mih
      Mih 26 October 2014 19: 00
      +1
      Germany also invented all sorts of child prodigies in the 45th.

      But there were rockets, and they almost reached the nuclear one, just a little more to everyone. love
    9. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 26 October 2014 20: 08
      +2
      I do not believe in the genius of Ukrainian developers of military equipment. No tests were performed. And to create something purely intuitively is not about Ukraine.
      1. Cornelius
        Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 36
        +1
        The concept of Spartan - the Canadian company Streit Group. I think it’s quite working. The test sample was run in a couple of weeks after the parade, and they still ride it). A new order was made taking into account the wishes of those who rode.
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 26 October 2014 22: 53
          +1
          The concept of Spartan - the Canadian company Streit Group. I think it’s quite working. The test sample was run in a couple of weeks after the parade, and they still ride it). A new order was made taking into account the wishes of those who rode.

          This is the case when 1 + 1 does not mean 2.
          The fact that Canadians are able to design and build a jeep is a fact.
          The fact that KRAZ has the power to assemble a jeep from the supplied sets is a fact. (even arrange the release of a number of components themselves)
          The fact that Ukraine has the power to design anti-tank systems is also a fact!

          But serial deliveries to your army, development and operation in front-line conditions, and combat use are a big question. You can fight well with well-known weapons.
          1. Cornelius
            Cornelius 27 October 2014 02: 45
            0
            Quote: Aljavad
            The concept of Spartan - the Canadian company Streit Group. I think it’s quite working. The test sample was run in a couple of weeks after the parade, and they still ride it). A new order was made taking into account the wishes of those who rode.

            This is the case when 1 + 1 does not mean 2.
            The fact that Canadians are able to design and build a jeep is a fact.
            The fact that KRAZ has the power to assemble a jeep from the supplied sets is a fact. (even arrange the release of a number of components themselves)
            The fact that Ukraine has the power to design anti-tank systems is also a fact!
            But serial deliveries to your army, development and operation in front-line conditions, and combat use are a big question. You can fight well with well-known weapons.

            I didn’t notice that the APU complained about the BTR-4 (rather, on the contrary), which entered service only in the spring and on which the weapon module also stands. Let the other with a gun, not a machine gun, but ATGM there too. Or do you think that Spartan is fundamentally different in use from the same four?
    10. Moksha
      Moksha 26 October 2014 20: 36
      +2
      "Sarmat" is a very strange object. It seems to exist, and it seems to be not.
    11. activator
      activator 26 October 2014 21: 23
      +1
      It is not clear what the child prodigy didn’t the tiger and birds see, and about Canadians, the Canadians probably experienced it.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 26 October 2014 23: 59
        0
        Quote: activator
        ... about not stolen so Canadians probably tested it.

        Against Iraqi militants in a semi-desert? ... request
        Well, yes, there in the summer everything is like in autumn and winter in the Donbass ... what fool
        And the enemy is probably the same ... what fool
    12. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 October 2014 21: 36
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Germany also invented all sorts of child prodigies in the 45th ...

      No brain iron can replace.
    13. Plato111
      Plato111 26 October 2014 23: 11
      0
      So they created it for this purpose, having blinded one with the other in order to try it in battles.
      Maneuver in modern warfare is more important than strong armoring. I believe from my own, albeit little experience, that booking is only necessary to protect against fragments and bullets. The rest is unnecessary pampering. Since it is still impossible to create such armor protection that can withstand modern anti-tank weapons.
      You yourself see how much you don’t hang on the tank of any protection, all one set it on fire. Is that a little later than other types of armored vehicles.
      Therefore, units in the Russian army for TIGER or BEAR cars with strong weapons are needed.
    14. skeket
      skeket 27 October 2014 01: 03
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Germany also invented all sorts of child prodigies in the 45th. If the car is not stolen, there is no point in it.

      As the current war in Donbass has shown, artillery is indeed the "god of war."
  2. valokordin
    valokordin 26 October 2014 15: 37
    +4
    Urgently, the DRG to capture a dozen Sarmatians or get them from dill, take them into service.
    1. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 26 October 2014 15: 40
      +13
      For this, the case does not arise Svidomye themselves put them in the militia
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2014 16: 15
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      DRG capture a dozen Sarmatians or get them from dill, take them into service.

      I obey and obey, Marshal. Bused! laughing lol
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 26 October 2014 15: 38
    +8
    they also need heads with hands! and so ... a monkey behind the wheel ...
    1. asadov
      asadov 26 October 2014 15: 42
      +3
      I completely agree. While they run them in as if they were not rolled up.
  4. Dinko
    Dinko 26 October 2014 15: 41
    +9
    Nothing good will be for the RPG-7 and for the ATGM militia. We'll have to let the reconnaissance in front of the tanks!
    1. Renat
      Renat 26 October 2014 16: 02
      +4
      And hit right on the swastika on the sides. The analogy with the German cross in the photo suggests itself.
      1. Mih
        Mih 26 October 2014 20: 05
        +1
        And hit right on the swastika on the sides.

        This is somehow primitive. It is necessary to get on board really - is there a swastika or not. The target must be destroyed. wink
      2. Cornelius
        Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 43
        +3
        If you wish, you can find "analogies" anywhere. For example, in the "St. George's Cross", which is very similar to the symbol of the National Guard.
        But in fact, the basis is the Cossack cross, the color is speckled (traditional, he and the BB spilled blood was the same), green is protective, well, the coat of arms. The Nazis are out of business.
    2. cayman gene
      cayman gene 26 October 2014 16: 09
      +6
      aim at nothing. no one will receive any Sarmatians on the Spartan chassis, which no one will receive either. these are the next dill for inflating its own significance.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 20
        +1
        aim at nothing. no one will receive any Sarmatians on the Spartan chassis, which no one will receive either.

        good Realist! soldier
    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan 26 October 2014 16: 19
      0
      Sniper enough!
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 26 October 2014 16: 55
        +1
        Everything is clear - "Sarmatians" will not be able to approach the armored vehicles of the militia for a shot. In addition, they will quickly become trophies, and then the ukrov armored vehicles will have to seek salvation. lol
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2014 17: 36
          +2
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          Everything is clear - "Sarmatians" will not be able to approach the armored vehicles of the militia for a shot. In addition, they will quickly become trophies, and then the ukrov armored vehicles will have to seek salvation.

          they don’t need to approach. in the afternoon this thing is capable of destroying any armored target at 5000m. having this at hand would you come close to enemy armored vehicles?
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 27 October 2014 00: 09
            0
            Quote: lonely
            Quote: Victor Kudinov
            Everything is clear - "Sarmatians" will not be able to approach the armored vehicles of the militia for a shot. In addition, they will quickly become trophies, and then the ukrov armored vehicles will have to seek salvation.

            they don’t need to approach. in the afternoon this thing is capable of destroying any armored target at 5000m. having this at hand would you come close to enemy armored vehicles?

            And who will give them precise target designation at such a distance? Or will they shoot "to whom God will send"? And at a distance of direct visibility, and even on the highway, this armored car is unlikely to be allowed by anyone.
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  5. Altona
    Altona 26 October 2014 15: 43
    +21
    The Kramenchug plant has so far produced just a couple of these cars, judging by the description, they are like a rover ... Therefore, I consider some fears excessive ... The machine will be used exclusively for show-offs, and traditional means will work on armored vehicles ...
    -----------------------
    AvtoKrAZ announced the price of a new armored car created in collaboration with the Streit Group. The armored car KrAZ "Spartan" will cost the buyer 5 million 350 thousand UAH.

    "Spartan" - the largest of the two new armored cars that recently began to produce in Kremenchug for the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Spartan is made on the basis of the Ford F550 chassis and is equipped with a Ford 6,7 V8 turbodiesel engine (400 hp). Wheelbase - 3576 mm, length 6020 mm, clearance 510 mm. The car has a speed of 110 km / h. The volume of the tank is 257 liters, and the total weight is almost 8 tons, according to Gazeta.ua.

    A robotic tower with a machine gun and precision-guided grenade launchers is installed on top of the armored car. Of the 4 anti-tank systems "Corsair" you can fight with tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. In addition, the car is equipped with a thermal imager and night vision devices.

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      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 26 October 2014 16: 00
        +4
        Quote: Non-war
        handed over to the National Guard.

        And for the leadership Outskirts of the machine purchased?
        So that the enthusiastic people accidentally who from the government did not hurt?
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 26
          +1
          And for the leadership Outskirts of the machine purchased?

          So that's about it!
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 25
      +1
      So far, the Kramenchug plant has produced just a couple of these cars,


      And this is in JULY, the series was promised in August, October is already at the end, and again the plans of the whole bunch ...
      1. alone
        alone 26 October 2014 17: 34
        +1
        Quote: Aljavad
        And this is in JULY, the series was promised in August, October is already at the end, and again the plans of the whole bunch ...

        The first 10 have already been transferred. Work is underway on the second batch.

        Underestimation has never played a positive role. Do not underestimate Ukraine and its abilities.
      2. Cornelius
        Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 46
        +2
        Yes, in general, what they promised was done. In July, we drove to landfills. In August, they sent to the ATO zone. In September, they ordered an installation batch in two versions of 10 pieces, with improvements (according to the comments and wishes of the testers). 10, a week ago they sent to Artyom, and 10 remained in Kremenchug.
  6. Watchman
    Watchman 26 October 2014 15: 44
    +7
    Even the BMP-2 cannon will deal with this "threat" without straining.
    1. alone
      alone 26 October 2014 16: 02
      +5
      Quote: Watchman
      Even the BMP-2 cannon will deal with this "threat" without straining.

      The BMP-2 cannon according to light armored vehicles is effective up to 1500m.stugna-p and the Scythian can be hit at 5000m during the day and at 3000m at night. With BMP-2 you need to approach it 1,5km to get it.

      And so you can get it from a heavy machine gun. The machine is not designed to climb on the rampage. Its task is to stay in the rear, determine goals and destroy it
    2. Cornelius
      Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 48
      +1
      BMP-2 gun, without straining to deal with any armored vehicles except MBT. Including with the same BMP-2. When it comes to booking
    3. shinobi
      shinobi 27 October 2014 06: 41
      0
      Even simpler. The militia is full of anti-tank warfare from WWII. Reserving this uber device for them is like cardboard. Our grandfathers burned fascist tanks from these. The grandchildren of the armored vehicles burn. Symbolically however.
      1. Cornelius
        Cornelius 27 October 2014 21: 12
        0
        Quote: shinobi
        Even simpler. The militia is full of anti-tank warfare from WWII. Reserving this uber device for them is like cardboard. Our grandfathers burned fascist tanks from these. The grandchildren of the armored vehicles burn. Symbolically however.

        And what is symbolism? At the forefront are the APU. The main hostilities they are leading and the loss of 90% from them. APU is 99% contracted and mobilized from all areas. The average age there is 30 years. Given the population and location of the brigades, most of the people are from the southeast and center. So with what fright did they become ukrofashists if they were mostly Russian-speaking and born under the USSR?
        Or you if people want to live in Ukraine then automatically become ukrofashistami? Families mobilized ukrofashisty too?
        P.S. Nazi symbolism, if there is one, is only in Azov, the mb in Aydar and the DUK (PS) are only 3 battalions. A little more than a thousand people out of 50 thousand participating in the ATO, and even they have such units.
  7. DMB-75
    DMB-75 26 October 2014 15: 44
    +27
    ... science fiction writers, I don't see the author as a "shame", not a "sarmatian", he is also under the control and also in the media "zilverst" is still classified: laughing
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 28
      +1
      Zilverst is still classified:

      .... as well as convertible and limousine versions ... fellow
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 26 October 2014 19: 18
      +6
      Sorry, but still the beautiful face was on the 130th ... crying
    3. Mih
      Mih 26 October 2014 23: 23
      +1
      DMB-75
      while secret
      wheelbarrow - class !!! lol
  8. Sasha_Bykov
    Sasha_Bykov 26 October 2014 15: 44
    +3
    Yes, they don’t have to put more, they will soon install on carts .., like Budenny’s carts
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 29
      +1
      how Budeny’s carts will be

      Worse! Where will the horses be picked up ??
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 26 October 2014 15: 47
    +7
    How many real complexes can Ukraine really release now? It is practically impossible to really influence the course of the war in the volume of experimental production. Again, it’s money, because the machine costs real money and with all the desire of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine it is unlikely to pay 200, and where will the trained personnel come from for such equipment.
    So it’s not so simple .............
    1. alone
      alone 26 October 2014 15: 56
      +5
      Do not forget that Ukraine has its own car industry and at least 3-4 armored factories. It should be added to the merger of the Luch design bureau, which produces ATGMs quite well, including those with laser guidance. Such ATGM "Skif" and "Stugna-P" are in service with us, very decent, believe the person who saw them in action.

      So if they really think, it’s quite possible to release such a thing. About the number it’s hard to say, but if a couple or three hundred such things are done in a year, it will become hard for some.

      Quote: APASUS
      with all the desire, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is unlikely to pay 200 pieces, and where will the trained personnel come from for such equipment.


      The price for the domestic market is different from the export one. Don’t think that money is a problem. And I don’t see any problems with staff. Do you think you can’t find ATGM operators in Ukraine? For a maximum of a month and any minimally versed person can manage it.
      1. Altona
        Altona 26 October 2014 16: 02
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        So if you really think about it, it’s quite possible for them to release such a thing. It’s hard to say the number, but if a couple or three hundred such things are done in a year, it will become hard for some.

        ---------------------------
        I don’t know the strength, but for the money they ordered 21 pieces ... The cost of 15 million rubles is almost the cost of our Lynx Iveco (12 million rubles) plus the Tiger (5 million rubles) ... Of course, a thermal imager, a machine gun and a 4-tube ATGM they also cost something ... Of course, there are still greedy managers and no less greedy ugro-generals who constantly lustrate on the cost of a car ... Third, what for this car is a dvigun of almost 7 liters and 400 horsepower?
        1. Cornelius
          Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 52
          +1
          These 21 pieces have already been made. 1,5 months and get-sign. According to those, Spartan is much more powerful than the Lynx. And on booking and armament. There is another second hatch behind, for a sniper / machine gunner / MANPADS / grenade launcher.
          A powerful engine by the fact that it is not a standard six-ton ​​(like Tiger / Lynx / Kaguar / Dozor-b), but a healthy eight-ton fool.
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 27 October 2014 01: 14
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Third, what for this car dvigun almost 7 liters and 400 horsepower?

          To quickly and efficiently dig into wet soil.
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 26 October 2014 17: 03
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        The price for the domestic market is different from the export one. Don’t think that money is a problem. And I don’t see any problems with staff. Do you think you can’t find ATGM operators in Ukraine? For a maximum of a month and any minimally versed person can manage it.

        Rather, they will MAKE simply complexes, without cars. ATGM really and the car transport.
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2014 17: 40
          +1
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          Rather, they will MAKE simply complexes, without cars. ATGM really and the car transport.

          Remember the Shturm-s complexes or the Competitions based on the BRDM-2? we have learned a lot from the Ukrainians.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2014 18: 06
            +2
            Why are you all going broke? Well, they put these ATGMs on cars. Put through the ass. Depriving complexes of their main advantage. What else do you need?
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 26 October 2014 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        The price for the domestic market is different from the export one. Don’t think that money is a problem. And I don’t see any problems with staff. Do you think you can’t find ATGM operators in Ukraine? For a maximum of a month and any minimally versed person can manage it.

        It is known that one such car costs 5 million UAH. http://www.aif.ua/auto/cars/1366435

        Notice those are not dollars, but hryvnias. That is, the price was decided.
        For a real impact on the situation, the APU needs a minimum batch of 50 cars + you really need to train personnel, the same month and 10 shots per operator (otherwise it will be a fiction and not an operator) + making such a batch will require at least 4-5 months (this is by most quick guesses)
        Total:
        300 mil gr this is pure money, without kickbacks and calculations for theft!!!
        Module production
        Training
        Automotive complex production
        So it turns out that such a complex can really affect the conduct of the war, under all favorable conditions for it (this is very important, money is a decisive factor), somewhere in 4-5 months.
        You don’t have to be Wanga to say: The war in Donbas will begin next week. The elections were held and Lyashko’s party is in second place according to the first estimates.
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 26 October 2014 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      ... and where will the trained staff come from for such a technique.
      So it’s not so simple .............

      It is true, because until now Natsik has not been distinguished by the presence of a sufficient amount of gray matter in the brain. And with such an armored car to cope, skill also needs time, unless, of course, the militias have not even set fire to or beat them off before.
  10. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 26 October 2014 15: 48
    +3
    New and untested has always caused a lot of problems and complaints, and since weapons like and nothing else are not a fact of its successful use in real hostilities, the mass of 9. ton and off-road is somehow vague, but this is a good target. yes, but time will show their effectiveness and weaknesses.
    1. alone
      alone 26 October 2014 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: Fantazer911
      New and not tested always caused a lot of problems


      there is nothing new and untested in this. Have you seen the Tigers with anti-tank systems? or hammers with TO-2? The same thing, maybe even simpler than it seems to us all here.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 26 October 2014 17: 36
        +2
        Tigers with anti-tank systems? or hammers with TO-2?

        Both those and others are just tested. And the APU didn’t have this, but Spartan hasn’t run into Ukraine yet ... Well, they can do ATGMs. Did the troops master it? I remember Parashenko shot - hit the pond, the fishermen decided - the Russians are coming ...
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2014 20: 13
          +4
          Quote: Aljavad
          I remember Parashenko shot - hit the pond, the fishermen decided - the Russians are coming ...

          And who is Poroshchenko? professional? Well, if Poroshenko shot, then for those who understand that, there will be no problem. Do you think having a 43 million population, you can’t find a couple of hundred people who have the skills to work with anti-tank systems? Yes, there are some retired officers of more than 250 people.

          Opponent is better to overestimate than not to overestimate.

          Respect the opinion of at least your own. Here is Strelkov’s opinion about the Ukrainian army. Note that there is nothing derogatory in the opinion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So think warriors, not couch cyborgs.
        2. Cornelius
          Cornelius 26 October 2014 20: 55
          +1
          Not Poroshenko but Yanukovych) Have you ever seen ATGM on an armored personnel carrier / BMP / BMD - APU? From the same as they manage to shoot.
  11. WIN969
    WIN969 26 October 2014 15: 49
    +3
    New Russia will take everything.
  12. Prager
    Prager 26 October 2014 15: 51
    +6
    I wish all the militias to successfully burn all the dill equipment, no matter how new it may be. am
  13. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 26 October 2014 15: 51
    +6
    “Moreover, nobody carried out the real full-scale military tests of these machines in Ukraine. And, it is quite probable that exploitation in harsh conditions can reveal such shortcomings that no one now guesses. And problems with technology in war are always someone's lost lives in vain, ”writes Dmitry Lemeshko in conclusion.

    Please think about these words. Maybe someone from Ukraine reads this and these lives of your son? Maybe father? Is it your brother-in-law or your uncle? What are you trying to do with your head against the wall? Understand, you finally don’t forget anything and don’t forgive Svidomo Donbass and will never be with Ukraine. Do not stupid pans
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 26 October 2014 16: 19
      +1
      I did not guess from tutochka. In the end, Donbass will be Ukraine, if, of course, it wants to keep this name.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 27 October 2014 00: 28
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        I did not guess from tutochka. In the end, Donbass will be Ukraine, if, of course, it wants to keep this name.

        There is no question about the name, the name "Ukraine" will never be given to the state based on Donbass. New Russia already exists!
  14. Magic archer
    Magic archer 26 October 2014 15: 51
    +4
    Woe to the warriors. As I recall their shameful parade, it becomes so funny! The tanks drove along the Khreshchatyk, and after a while they fought with the signs of New Russia! I won’t be surprised if they themselves sold their dill. Such a nature ...
    1. Cornelius
      Cornelius 26 October 2014 21: 36
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Woe to the warriors. As I recall their shameful parade, it becomes so funny! The tanks drove along the Khreshchatyk, and after a while they fought with the signs of New Russia! I won’t be surprised if they themselves sold their dill. Such a nature ...

      There was NOT ONE tank at the parade) Only wheeled vehicles.
      1. Non-war
        Non-war 26 October 2014 22: 22
        0
        Нand the parade was not a single tank) Only wheeled vehicles. - subtly you hooked this analyst).
  15. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 26 October 2014 15: 51
    +11
    Donbass urgently needs fuel ....
  16. Shishiga
    Shishiga 26 October 2014 15: 52
    +6
    “ATGM RK-3 and RK-2 have a maximum range of 2,5 km and 5,5 km, respectively. Laser guided missiles with target tracking, in automatic mode, they can penetrate up to 800-850 mm of ordinary armor, after overcoming dynamic protection.


    As the best means of protection against such buns, experts advise the installation of a smoke curtain and a whisker laughing
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 26 October 2014 19: 38
      +1
      Are you a safsem? where svidomoyu fzyat smoke.
  17. Starley from the south
    Starley from the south 26 October 2014 15: 59
    +3
    Wheeled anti-tank system - one laugh. Once again it is confirmed that in Ukropia the degradation of everything and at all levels. Or do they think that tanks drive only on the highway? laughing
  18. Funnels
    Funnels 26 October 2014 16: 00
    +13
    At one time the Japanese who bought KrAZ were asked: how is the car?
    -Masyn is a bachelor, she makes 4 "Toyota" and 2 wardrobe.
    Wait and see what they created there.
    1. alone
      alone 26 October 2014 16: 47
      +3
      Quote: Funnels
      At one time the Japanese who bought KrAZ were asked: how is the car?
      -Masyn is a bachelor, she makes 4 "Toyota" and 2 wardrobe.
      Wait and see what they created there.


      The Japanese said this about all the cars of the Soviet automobile industry. Can you remember the large orders of tractors from ChTZ? They immediately threw the stove and made three Japanese tractors out of their metal)))
      1. Funnels
        Funnels 26 October 2014 18: 57
        +4
        KrAZ also had a wooden cabin, just for furniture.
      2. poquello
        poquello 26 October 2014 19: 36
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: Funnels
        At one time the Japanese who bought KrAZ were asked: how is the car?
        -Masyn is a bachelor, she makes 4 "Toyota" and 2 wardrobe.
        Wait and see what they created there.


        The Japanese said this about all the cars of the Soviet automobile industry. Can you remember the large orders of tractors from ChTZ? They immediately threw the stove and made three Japanese tractors out of their metal)))

        all the same
        Whatever you say, our UAZ is in good demand - Iwamoto Motors agency was unable to provide me with a model for a test drive, since everyone had already sold out by that time.

        http://nnm.me/blogs/lbear/yaponskiy-vzglyad-na-rossiyskuyu-buhanku-otchet-o-test
        -drayve-uaz-3909 /
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2014 20: 16
          0
          We are talking about large-tonnage trucks, tractors, tractors that the Japanese bought in large quantities. About the UAZs and others, even in Soviet times there were jokes.

          After examining the Lada, the Japanese said to its owner:
          "A nice car! Did you do it yourself?" laughing
  19. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 October 2014 16: 00
    +3
    The entire budget of the MoD is independent, it will pull a dozen of such gizmos. For starters, they would feed the fighters, because they want to eat, American biscuits are already over.
  20. Bronik
    Bronik 26 October 2014 16: 01
    +2
    A serious declaration, the question is what will really stand there. And most importantly, how many will be able to deliver.
  21. erased
    erased 26 October 2014 16: 02
    +5
    Only practice will show what is what. Although it is necessary to beware of the army of New Russia. And finish off the enemy faster.
  22. Non-war
    Non-war 26 October 2014 16: 03
    +11
    The first Spartans this week handed over to the National Guard.
    1. PiP
      PiP 26 October 2014 16: 28
      +13
      Quote: Non-war
      The first Spartans this week handed over to the National Guard.

      ATGM-only on the first? (Judging by the photo)
      1. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 26 October 2014 16: 51
        +5
        And on the rest of DT or DP? Somewhere already slipped. Well, there will be a company of the National Guard on these shushpanzery, that's all. Now, if the Ukrostrategists manned such (with ATGMs) an anti-tank company in each mechanized brigade or a platoon in a battalion, then there would have been some result. And then subject to combat coordination and competent use. And so - it's just armored vans for the National Guard, and even devouring a lot of diesel fuel.
        1. Cornelius
          Cornelius 26 October 2014 21: 03
          +1
          Photo (and the event itself) for PR Turchinov. This is only 10 cars brought in from Kremenchug, after the photo session, we actually went to Artyom to install the modules.
      2. Simple
        Simple 26 October 2014 20: 57
        0
        Quote: PiP
        ATGM-only on the first? (Judging by the photo)



        "... Armored vehicles KRAZ" Spartan "have just arrived. Today we are transferring the equipment to the National Guard. Then a few days of additional equipment at the" Luch "plant in Kiev with modern weapons and the Ukrainian anti-tank missile system" Sarmat "with a range of up to 6 km. - and to the front line . "

        https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=719020084854767&set=a.101387876617994.25
        86.100002403454361 & type = 1 & theater
    2. Simple
      Simple 26 October 2014 20: 54
      0
      Quote: Non-war
      The first Spartans this week handed over to the National Guard.


      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=719020084854767&set=a.101387876617994.25
      86.100002403454361 & type = 1 & theater


      https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1567333293499667&set=vb.1551281798438150&ty
      pe = 2 & theater
  23. Sasha75
    Sasha75 26 October 2014 16: 04
    +7
    This is a very good parquet nickname for parades, but in reality it is a coffin. In the characteristics, you can write whatever price the tank has, one hundred percent a grenade launcher pierces any one, and the PTRD and PTRS bullets will pierce them for take-off, so that a stillborn miracle.
    1. Cornelius
      Cornelius 26 October 2014 21: 05
      +1
      Armor 5 is a NATO standard, not 3 as usual. It breaks through about the same as the new armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. The cost of 350 thousand dollars is far from prohibitive. The same Lynx, in the modification for NATO countries it costs 370.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 27 October 2014 00: 43
        +1
        Quote: Cornelius
        Armor 5 is a NATO standard, not 3 as usual. It breaks through about the same as the new armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. The cost of 350 thousand dollars is far from prohibitive. The same Lynx, in the modification for NATO countries it costs 370.

        The price is not prohibitive for NATO or Russia, but can such expenses be affordable for Ukraine? Let them pay for the gas first, otherwise even the Poles will ask coal as humanitarian aid for free, but there ...
        If only they start riveting for export, then they can and can afford one such machine for the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Nazi-bastards for three or four export ones. And then, if they do not steal.
        1. Cornelius
          Cornelius 27 October 2014 03: 15
          0

          The price is not prohibitive for NATO or Russia, but can such expenses be affordable for Ukraine?
          If only they start riveting for export, then they can and can afford one such machine for the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Nazi-bastards for three or four export ones. And then, if they do not steal.

          Apparently affordable if 20 ALREADY done. Actually this year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine / Armed Forces received new equipment for more than all 24 years of existence) for 300 hundreds of different types of vehicles (for the month of September). Starting from the armored trucks Kraz and ending with MBT damask.
  24. Mol
    Mol 26 October 2014 16: 07
    +3
    How many, how many new types of weapons will appear in UA - one thing is obvious - the junta is preparing for a new battle and is building up strength! Will the Kremlin help Lugansk and Donetsk in the next large-scale battle - this is the question that interests me the most. After all, you need to prepare for the fight in advance ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 27 October 2014 00: 48
      +1
      Quote: mol
      How many, how many new types of weapons will appear in UA - one thing is obvious - the junta is preparing for a new battle and is building up strength! Will the Kremlin help Lugansk and Donetsk in the next large-scale battle - this is the question that interests me the most. After all, you need to prepare for the fight in advance ...

      I think the Kremlin will not allow it to crush Novorossia, it’s more expensive for itself ... How to help and not substitute, I think the Kremlin will also find ways. So far, the Kremlin has somehow succeeded.
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 27 October 2014 00: 51
        +1
        Quote: PENZYAC
        So far, the Kremlin has somehow succeeded.

        They may not bounce!
  25. Bassoon
    Bassoon 26 October 2014 16: 08
    +3
    And NSV / DShK / KPVT / PTR pose a threat to the Ukrainian Sarmatians because the Sarmatian armor is far from tank.
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  27. activator
    activator 26 October 2014 16: 16
    +2
    And where did the patrol and the Cossack create, but did not create it, or the patrol is more expensive than Spartan or dumber than the Poles or nothing personal is just buzines.
    1. Non-war
      Non-war 26 October 2014 16: 42
      +1
      And where did the patrol and the Cossack create, but did not create it, or the patrol is more expensive than Spartan or dumber than the Poles or nothing personal is just buzines. - Kuguar and Spartan Kraz plant has long been developed and not in a single amount. According to the Watch - some kind of slipping at the start came out, but it seems that at the very least it will go into production. Kozak - my feeling is that this is the fourth superfluous, the manufacturer rushes about at all exhibitions, but nothing is heard about concrete results, someone in the Ukrainian government decided that it makes no sense to rush in different directions with a limited military budget. For the border guards and the National Guard, the Watch is enough, the logic seems to be this.
      1. activator
        activator 26 October 2014 17: 43
        +2
        Duc, after all, it’s under a Canadian license and not a Krazov’s development, and along the way all the components that are imported at Kraz are only screwed on the bumper.
      2. Cornelius
        Cornelius 26 October 2014 21: 08
        0
        The Germans clamped the engines) Now we have to put others, like Ivekovsky. And the Lvov plant is engaged in the assembly of Dozors, Malyshev has other orders for them not for armored vehicles.
        1. Non-war
          Non-war 26 October 2014 22: 31
          0
          Дand the Dozorov is engaged in the assembly of the Lvov plant, with Malyshev other orders are not for them armored vehicles. - I see you in the subject. Do you think the Lviv armored plant will be able to set up the Dozor release? I watched a video from this plant, as it is doubtful that everything is running too far.
          1. Cornelius
            Cornelius 27 October 2014 03: 40
            +1
            Quote: Non-war
            Do you think the Lviv armored plant will be able to set up the Dozor release? I watched a video from this plant, as it is doubtful that everything is running too far.

            God knows. Initially, they ordered an installation lot for 20 cars, before the end of the year. But with timelines, they clearly flew by, largely due to the Germans' refusal. If they figure out the engines and break in at least a couple of cars, then they will be given an order.
            And so, yes, the products are new for them; there they are current tanks; Although the Kharkov citizens gave them a full package of documentation. Yes, and 800 workers are not so few, to begin with.
  28. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 26 October 2014 16: 17
    +3
    The fact that the car is not finalized pleases, but still there is the use of "truce" in order to strengthen the Nazi junta're coming out. And the flaw in technology pleases precisely because there will be victims among the Nazis, I hope for a total flaw in everything and everything in dill, because there is no sympathy for the people who voice today, this moment is for the power of the Russophobic fascists, and if I honestly wish this cattle to get the horns in full, so that we remembered a century ahead. It is not clear the position of our authorities who allowed to vote ukram on our territory, are there our candidates? If only for the calculation of these Ukrainians by the special services, it is understandable.
  29. Ppsh
    Ppsh 26 October 2014 16: 18
    +2
    We developed an operational-tactical RK "Sarmat", but the result was an ATGM ...
    If you want a great Ukraine - get ready for the borders of 1653 ....
  30. alexv-d
    alexv-d 26 October 2014 16: 19
    -2
    The militia will like to fight in this miracle))))))
  31. BOB044
    BOB044 26 October 2014 16: 21
    +10
    Stop hacking on. The militia needs technicians and instructors to control the new equipment. For dill, military consultants in Europe and the USA. The militia needs real help, and hatred and bravado are a bad adviser. am
  32. Abbra
    Abbra 26 October 2014 16: 22
    0
    Dill still need to learn on this technique prancing ...
  33. Tyumen
    Tyumen 26 October 2014 16: 26
    +5
    According to some experts, the complex was intended “to combat T-72B tanks equipped with Kontakt-1 and Kontakt-five"".
    So it turns out that dill has long been planning to fight with us.
  34. Leonidych
    Leonidych 26 October 2014 16: 33
    +1
    any equipment in the hands of hollowers, a pile of scrap metal .....
  35. Prussian
    Prussian 26 October 2014 16: 36
    +2
    This is all akin to the military-industrial complex of the Taliban, it looks formidable but what tasks it may not be clear. In the field, he has nothing to do by definition, then he will fight on the roads, the place is usually open and shot. If he acts from an ambush, he loses all meaning since conventional grenade launcher calculation has an obvious advantage here. There are no tasks that can be set for this unit in a real battle.
  36. Belarus
    Belarus 26 October 2014 16: 40
    +2
    It was necessary to start with the fact that who will service and manage this equipment. Judging by the characteristics, there are enough electronics and a simple conscript will probably pull control. Well, except to put mercenaries there and that's it.
    And ordinary punishers or junkies (after taking pills "against fear" and who knock off the brain to control well, they cannot. Or, as always, get lost and come to the militia.
  37. Hauptam
    Hauptam 26 October 2014 16: 41
    +3
    let them not fight, only rob and loot, punishers and traders, everyone is sleeping ... they’ll write off even before arriving in the war zone, the motivation in the war is not the same, the rotten fascist stinks.
  38. Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 October 2014 16: 47
    0
    They can make a lot of such machines, but by no means on each of them there will be a module with a thermal imager and a camera and a laser rangefinder and ammunition of missiles, otherwise its cost will be three. And the use of such machines in a semi-guerrilla war is pointless.
  39. Lopatov
    Lopatov 26 October 2014 16: 48
    +1
    Stupid thing. With their own hands, they limited the combat capabilities of the most beautiful Belarusian complex "Skif"
  40. _my opinion
    _my opinion 26 October 2014 16: 59
    +2
    ... it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... Over the past few weeks there has been a lot of this kind of info - and that Ukrainians will soon switch to NATO standards and that the Ukrainian Army will be rearmament and similar tales designed to convince jumpers soon bright future. I have these tales associated with this pattern:
  41. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 26 October 2014 17: 00
    -1
    After the victory over the junta, a law is required prohibiting the participation in the power structures of any Ukraine, it is a pity there is no Comrade Stalin.
  42. SveTok
    SveTok 26 October 2014 17: 01
    +1
    I dill think dill, but if, gentlemen, there wouldn’t be banderlogs for you if the train left, there is no money, no cars.
  43. pvv113
    pvv113 26 October 2014 17: 07
    +5
    the "Sarmat" complex is used to defeat stationary and moving modern armored targets, including those with combined armor with dynamic protection, hovering helicopters and enemy manpower

    But nowhere is it said that this complex is invulnerable hi
  44. frezirovshik
    frezirovshik 26 October 2014 17: 08
    +3
    “ATGM RK-3 and RK-2 have a maximum range of 2,5 km and 5,5 km, respectively. Missiles guided by a laser beam with target tracking can automatically penetrate up to 800-850 mm of conventional armor in automatic mode, after having previously overcome dynamic protection - what did they mean by TX penetration armor? it’s hard to believe that the firecracker (the size of a fly) that was wired to the machine gun (as it looks in the first photo) can pierce the rolled homogeneous 800mm armor and even with dynamic protection.
  45. flSergius
    flSergius 26 October 2014 17: 12
    0
    “In addition, no one conducted real full-scale military tests of these vehicles in Ukraine. And, it is likely that operation in harsh conditions can reveal such shortcomings that no one now realizes. And the problems with technology in war are always someone’s wasted lives. ”


    The most important paragraph in the article. Ukrainians on the basis of the Soviet design heritage can gash something sensible, but without lengthy and comprehensive tests, this is buying a pig in a poke. And developers in their advertising booklets will write that it also knocks down flying saucers.
    1. Afblgh
      Afblgh 26 October 2014 17: 17
      +3
      What is the Soviet design legacy? This Spartan is based on the Ford F550, and is assembled under license from the Canadian firm Streit Group. There is also the Kraz "Cougar" based on the Toyota Land Cruiser.
      1. vtnsk
        vtnsk 26 October 2014 18: 16
        +1
        It will be enough that the assembly is "Ukrainian" ... laughing
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 26 October 2014 23: 45
        +4
        based on Ford F550, and is assembled under license from the Canadian firm Streit Group. There is also Kraz "Cougar" based on Toyota Land Cruiser
        There is KrAZ based on the Bugatti.
  46. kush62
    kush62 26 October 2014 17: 20
    0
    The fuel tank has a capacity of 257 liters.

    Let's hope that the torches will burn for a long time and will be visible from afar. Unless of course they find fuel for a full tank.
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 26 October 2014 18: 14
      0
      It's good. There will be something to sell to the side ... laughing
  47. jPilot
    jPilot 26 October 2014 17: 20
    +2
    Pinned one of the applications of the defeat of hovering helicopters. The first time I hear about the combat use of a helicopter from the hover mode. fool I’ve dreamed all my life of shooting at an armored target from the hover mode laughing after all, no way request laughing yes it's just a duel laughing
    To read how the device is being announced, nothing more is straightforward and you don’t need to rivet such machines and your TBD, "there is a cunning zh.opu with a screw", and the militia will need new equipment.
  48. Greendragon1864
    Greendragon1864 26 October 2014 17: 21
    -2
    can dill really create something that can fight normally?
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 26 October 2014 18: 13
      -1
      They do not "create", but - "try" (maybe it will work out) ... laughing
  49. bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 October 2014 17: 21
    -1
    As I understand it, the piercing device will flash through. Who is ahead of that. Dill is preparing for defense.
  50. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 26 October 2014 17: 23
    +2
    Ukrovoyak now the main thing is not what weapons on these jihad mobiles, but what kind of stove is in the cabin. However, winter is coming soon! laughing
    1. Mih
      Mih 26 October 2014 18: 09
      +1
      Winter is however coming soon!

      I think that winter doesn’t scare them very much, as much as we would not like it. This is scary. belay
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 27 October 2014 01: 18
        0
        Quote: Mih
        Winter is however coming soon!

        I think that winter doesn’t scare them very much, as much as we would not like it. This is scary. belay

        The winter of 1941 at the beginning was also not very scary for the Germans ...
        And the Ukrainians just, while hoping for "maybe", they forgot that he was Russian.
    2. vtnsk
      vtnsk 26 October 2014 18: 12
      +1
      They cannot do without a stove. There will be nowhere to jump (for warming) ... laughing
      1. Mih
        Mih 26 October 2014 18: 52
        0
        They cannot do without a stove.

        Without a stove they will jump, they will jump until they are completely dumb
        Russia should raise the issue of disarmament of Ukrainian military units at the UN, which do not obey the orders of Kiev. If this is not done within a week after the declaration, then the positions of illegal armed groups must be fired from missile systems.