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The State Duma is considering a bill on private military companies

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Last week, the State Duma introduced a bill prepared by a deputy from the "Fair Russia" Gennady Nosovko. The bill concerns the creation of private military companies in Russia, by analogy with operating companies in a number of foreign (primarily Western) states.

The State Duma is considering a bill on private military companies


Gennady Nosovko quotes "Russian newspaper":
We are pushed to this geopolitical situation. Today the world has split, with only the West having private military companies. They are used to solve such specific tasks in third countries as the protection of the government, military bases, nuclear facilities — everywhere where the pro-Western state does not have a reliable professional army.



At the same time, the parliamentarian especially emphasizes that such companies will have to undergo strict licensing, after which they cannot be covered by the article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. This article is called "Mercenary." The note to this article defines who should be considered a mercenary:

A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.

If the bill submitted to the Lower House of the Federal Assembly is adopted, then article 359 will need to be amended to determine the lack of responsibility for the episodes of this article by representatives of private military companies.

What was the main emphasis in the preparation of the draft law on the creation of private security companies in Russia? The main focus is on the protection of property outside the Russian Federation. It would seem, and here private or state property and in fact private military formations? The fact is that from the very beginning of the existence of the Russian Federation as a sovereign state, foreign “partners” began to receive statements that if Russia or a large Russian company did not fulfill the next requirement of an international court (arbitration), then state property or private property would be arrested the basis of a new judgment.

History with the Swiss company “Noga” is memorable to many. The company, which was supposed to provide loans to Russia for the purchase of food, began, as they say, “to chemize” with finances. Russia was supposed to supply Leg to petrochemical products as a segment of payments, but it turned out that Swiss “partners” want to buy fuel oil and diesel fuel not at world prices, but with a fair discount. In some cases, Russia was demanded such a “discount” that it was cheaper to burn fuel oil on the spot.

When the Russian State Council announced a violation of contractual obligations by the Swiss, they quickly pointed a finger at the contact (and the contract, by the way, was signed by the then (1991 year) Deputy Chairman of the RSFSR Council of Ministers, Mr. Kulik), where it was stated that if Russia does not like something then this is her (Russia) problem. Moreover, the contract stated that all the claims of Russia must be resolved at the expense of Russia itself. And the soul flew to paradise ... Noga began to file a lawsuit, then to the Luxembourg court, then to the Stockholm arbitration, and, you know, everywhere it was expected to succeed. The judges also pointed a finger at the contract, pointing Russia to the fact that she herself had signed, she herself, and pay. But now the “independent” Stockholm arbitration does not point a finger at a contract signed by, for example, Ukraine, and does not oblige to pay for gas at $ 485 ... An interesting approach to arbitration cases, isn’t it ...

So, this very “Noga”, realizing that Russia will not pay the billions of dollars assigned by the courts in the form of “compensations” (well, there simply were no such funds in the Russian budget — someone had pockets in their pockets, but no budget ...), I decided to go the other way: I began to literally hunt Russian property abroad. Employees of “Foot” tried to take everything that they saw Russian: from bank accounts to sailboats (the sailboat “Sedov” was arrested in France in 2000), fighters and exhibition canvases of the Pushkin Museum. In the end (only a few years after their raider comfort), “Leg” was put in place, unblocking all Russian accounts and “releasing” the sailboat and the paintings. But as they say, the sediment remained.

And if since 1991, Russia’s blood has been spoiled, mostly by Noga, now it’s decided to take this path at the state level. There are arrests of accounts of Russian citizens abroad, threats are being made against Russian state property and so on, so on and so forth. Like, sanctions, gentlemen ...

So the deputy group (I don’t want to think that the group cares exclusively about their own financial interests) proposes to create private military companies with the appropriate equipment, at least so that some people do not have the desire to chop off a piece of Russian state property.

This practice takes place in relation to American PMCs, which began with the protection of oil pipelines and refineries, and then “developed” into full-fledged mini-armies, which are now operating where the US government sows “democracy”. We (Russia) should not talk about the opposition of domestic (potentially possible) PMCs to American ones, but it also doesn’t hurt to take advantage of certain experience of the “partners”.

What are good private military companies? By the fact that they are private, but at the same time, they are working “under the cover of” state authorities, and the authorities themselves remain as if on the sidelines - they say, we have nothing to do with this at all. The “friends of Russia” wanted to withdraw the Russian enterprise according to the “court decision”, but they met with a private military company, which is not so easy to cross over if it is properly equipped and its representatives are trained. "Squeeze" a fighter or a manufacturing company is unlikely to turn out once or twice.

But we must not forget that PMCs have significant drawbacks. If we take into account that the company is still private, and it works solely for money (certainly not for the idea), then it’s not an hour when someone offers more to the PMCs ... Will there be an offer that they can refuse? - that is the question.

In general, when considering a bill, deputies should not merge into a “voice” impulse without discussion, but weigh all the pros and cons of PMCs, emphasizing domestic conditions and objective reality.

And another thing: in order to ensure that foreign "friends" do not have a hand in Russian property in foreign countries, you must first remember that the majority of people who want to have a hand in domestic state property are located inside Russia ... And here it is PMC definitely not a panacea.
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  1. Dilshat
    Dilshat 27 October 2014 08: 55
    +1
    It is high time to allow PMCs even if they exist in China, and on the account of someone paying more, let the FSB oversee this in all countries.
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 27 October 2014 18: 56
      +10
      C.V.K. - vice in its purest form. The real mercenary. I bought a license, paid off the law and the state and shoot. Moreover, it will not shoot at the one to whom beliefs are ordered, but at the one to whom they will order and for whom they will pay. I doubt that decent people will be recruited into these units. Rather, C.V.K. turn into sumps. Entrusting them with the protection of nuclear facilities is just that.
    2. Nettle
      Nettle 31 October 2014 08: 14
      0
      I've worked with small British PMCs. I can say one thing - the PMC is a huge reserve of the active army. "Elderly" wars do not go to civilian life, but remain at the gun and at any time are ready to act in the interests of their state. At the same time, they do not particularly lose their qualifications. It is high time to create PMCs in Russia.
  2. tasha
    tasha 27 October 2014 08: 56
    +17
    I do not quite understand the need to create such companies. Private property of citizens of the Russian Federation abroad can be protected / protected by security firms that work in these countries, for the money of these citizens. And the state property should be protected by our army or law enforcement forces of the country in which this property is located.
    1. Orty
      Orty 27 October 2014 09: 18
      +8
      For example, the Russian Federation or Gazprom have property in Iraq, a war with ISIS is raging there and ISIS is bending down government troops. What to do? Send an army to Iraq, but this requires the consent of the Sov. Feda and a call for help from the Iraqi government itself, and still need to convince public opinion in the Russian Federation that this is necessary, and it will not be easy. Various "Soldiers' mothers" (without sons) and other human rights defenders will immediately come out. Yes, and the world community will raise a squeal and begin to express their concern, etc., etc. Or just a private military company "Medved" (for example, it must be called somehow) concludes an agreement with the government of Iraq or the same Gazprom, and most likely simultaneously flies to Iraq to crush ISIS. And from whom the personnel of this company will be recruited, in what epaulets these people will be, this does not concern anyone. Human rights defenders go through the forest, they have nothing to catch here, the international community goes there, here is a private company and not the state. Yes, and under the cover of PMCs, you can carry out special operations, but there is a lot that can be done. So this thing is useful and necessary.
      1. lukke
        lukke 27 October 2014 12: 05
        +6
        For a long time, our LLC CBOO RSB group has been operating in Iraq and everything is fine - the Iraqi government is interested in this itself!
        But how such organizations can defend our interests somewhere in France or England is a big question. So I see how the French gendarmerie is going to fulfill the decision of the Leon court on the arrest of the Russian training sailing ship "Sedov" at the suit of some Monsieur Chiezo, who is suing Russia over his "burned out" investment in LLC "MMM" in the 90s , and our PMC urgently flies to France to occupy a perimeter defense and fight the gendarmerie, etc. Absurd.
        . More precisely, I did not see the arguments, but examples from a series of utopias, more precisely, examples are given where they solved everything through diplomatic ways - as it should be in such cases
        1. iConst
          iConst 27 October 2014 15: 28
          +4
          Quote: lukke
          But how such organizations can protect our interests somewhere in France or England is a big question.

          Yes! I am also interested in this question - what, brave fellows with grenade launchers, heavy machine guns, armored vehicles, helicopters (albeit light ones) will take and squander like that in some European or Arab country?

          Even if they are scolded - the court’s decision to confiscate the building (enterprise) - what, they will sit down and start a war against performers (police)? laughing

          Mlyn, this is some kind of wiring coming.
      2. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2014 14: 44
        +2
        Quote: Orty
        And from whom the staff of this company will be recruited, in what uniforms these people will be, this does not concern anyone. Human rights activists go through the woods, they have nothing to catch here, the international community is there too, there is a private company and not a state.

        Far from it
        State responsibility [edit wiki text]

        The employing state is responsible for the unlawful actions of private military companies if the latter acted on its instructions, instructions or it exercised effective control over them. Moreover, under the instructions and instructions can be understood such goals and provisions of the contract, the implementation of which is impossible otherwise than unlawfully. [46]

        The host state is responsible for the activities of private military companies on its territory. It is under an obligation to monitor, within its jurisdiction, the observance by the PMC staff of human rights and, in case of violation thereof, to ensure effective investigation and punishment.

        The state of the place of incorporation of PMCs is obliged to ensure general control over the activities of PMCs, as well as issues related to licensing and training, and within their competence, bring legal entities that violate international humanitarian law and human rights law to legal liability. [48]

        .
    2. nvv
      nvv 27 October 2014 09: 22
      +9
      Quote: tasha
      should protect our army or law enforcement forces of the country in which this property is located.

      PMCs are money. And where the money is evil there. We are imposed more and more alien to us values. And we are all more and more stuck in them. recourse
      1. Orty
        Orty 27 October 2014 09: 54
        0
        You write garbage, it’s not an end in itself, but a means, instrument, evil cannot be defined, and if money goes to defend our national interests, then it’s generally good in its purest form.
        1. Userpic
          Userpic 27 October 2014 09: 59
          +3
          Quote: Orty
          to uphold our national interests

          About "OUR" interests can be more detailed?
          1. nvv
            nvv 27 October 2014 10: 15
            +1
            Quote: Userpic
            Can you tell us more about "OUR" interests?

            I have no words and nothing to add. recourse
            1. Userpic
              Userpic 27 October 2014 11: 17
              +2
              Quote: nvv
              I have no words and nothing to add
              My friend, do not take it for rudeness, but your words are generally not very good, which is evidenced by both our "skirmish" and this monosyllabic phrase.

              Quote: Orty
              Well, for example, the use of PMCs to destroy ISIS, which in the event of their victory in Syria and Iraq will be in our Caucasus, and in the Volga region, and in Central Asia will be just the defense of our national interests
              ISIS can be destroyed only through a combined-arms operation, and for the "surgical" decapitation of such structures, there is special forces of the GRU (in the end, it is more logical to hire a foreign company), but: which side, at the moment, is our national interest to destroy ISIS, to mix with to whom is the US spending its resources today?
              And where are our national interests in Syria and Iraq?
              1. Orty
                Orty 27 October 2014 12: 01
                +3
                You probably didn’t read my post at all, our national interests so that ISIS would not win in Siri and Iraq. Because then they will go to us. Moreover, the Qatari gas pipeline in the EU will become a reality, which also contradicts our interests. As you can see this is already two points, there is also a point of material support in Tartus, which is also important. And with Iraq, we have a bunch of contracts and mutual cooperation, including military cooperation, these are also our interests. And as regards the combined-arms operation, this is funny, PMCs can just legalize our special forces there, and they will also pay for it, besides, they can rely on the local army, not all frostbitten fanatics are there. Moreover, our PMCs can become a very important tool in Middle Eastern policy.
                1. Userpic
                  Userpic 27 October 2014 13: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: Orty
                  Because then they will go to us
                  Where will they go if they have their own hemorrhoid above the roof? Where will they gain a foothold if their comrades-in-arms have been soaked in toilets? Oh, they didn’t soak it, so what does PMC have to do with it?

                  Moreover, the Qatari gas pipeline in the EU will become a reality, which also contradicts our interests.
                  And pushing the legacy of future generations beyond the hill, instead of creating a self-sufficient economy on its basis, does not contradict our interests?
                  The Qatari gas pipeline, my dear, contradicts the interests of the OLIGARHAT, and not national interests.

                  There is also a material support center in Tartus, which is also important
                  What about PMCs? We have reduced the sun?

                  And with Iraq we have a bunch of contracts and mutual cooperation, including military cooperation, these are also our interests
                  Ours, or those who do grandmas on this?

                  And about the combined-arms operation, it's funny, PMCs can just legalize our special forces there
                  What ?! belay What special forces? Those whose task is precisely illegal operations - to legalize them? laughing

                  yes plus to this they will also pay
                  This is the key, but who will pay?

                  in addition, they can rely on the local army, there are not all frostbitten fanatics there
                  So the instructors went there.

                  Moreover, our PMCs can become a very important tool in Middle Eastern policy.
                  What the fucking way?
                  1. Orty
                    Orty 27 October 2014 13: 41
                    0
                    Point by point:
                    1. If they take power in Syria and Iraq, then in spite of all their hemorrhoids, they will come to us, they, if you haven’t noticed yet, basically never solved any hemorrhoids, but rather created it on the contrary.
                    2. "Pushing the legacy of future generations over the hill" sounds like it will break through a tear! And how are we going to build a self-sufficient economy? I am curious? And if we (humanity) in 50 years will switch to more advanced and modern energy sources, well, fusion, for example, then the question is, why the hell was this gas saved? Feelee to sit on it, what's the use then with him? Moreover, a new deposit has been found in the Kara Sea, and this good will be enough for us for another 100 years. And the interests of the oligarchy, are you talking about Gazprom? Forgive me, but this is nonsense, but at whose expense is the budget mainly formed? So maybe their wealth is not only the mansions and villas of the management, but also, for example, pensions, benefits, expenses for medicine, education, defense?
                    3.
                    What about PMCs? We have reduced the sun?

                    Are you stupid with a specialist? Once again, IF ISIS wins in Syria, then it, as a "legitimate" new government of the country, will demand that we dump, and either start a war, or bring down. Whatever this is, you need to help Assad to hold on, for this, PMCs are needed, this is a very convenient and effective tool for the presence of our military force.
                    4. "Ours, or those who make money on this?" You know, I think you are a liberal, only a liberal can be so openly stupid and distorting, and no one pays taxes to the treasury from these transactions? Workers are not given wages again? On which they feed their families? Again, the more units of this or that weapon are produced, the cheaper it becomes, including for our army. Or if nothing falls into your pocket personally, then to hell with it?
                    5. "This is key, but who will be paid?" Who will work, the warriors in the state, or are they not people? Don't they need money? Or, again, if it doesn't correspond to the interests of the state?
                    6. There are few instructors alone, for victory, the ICS will become the nucleus of the future army, so that local people can see how to fight and win by example.
                    7. So if, for example, PMCs in Iraq back in 2013 and working for the local government, this rebellion, which does not at all meet Russian interests, either did not take place or would have been crushed from the very beginning. If PMCs build a reputation for themselves, one fact of hiring them will condemn these or other rebellious heads.
                    1. Userpic
                      Userpic 27 October 2014 14: 36
                      +3
                      in spite of all their hemorrhoids, they will go to us - That is, the more they butt with the states - the better, it is only important to maintain a conflict, and this is the GRU’s business, not PMCs.
                      How will we build a self-sufficient economy? “Are we building it?” laughing
                      And if we fuck the hell to save this gas was? - Yes, in order, my dear, to create this "fusion": for this we need production facilities working on hydrocarbons. We do not create production, but we stupidly drive hydrocarbons to those who are ready to pay for them (we, in turn, "eat up" the loot, or sterilize it in stabilization funds)
                      what's the use then it will be from him? - And now? Who has the main profit from it?
                      this good is enough for us for another 100 years - Well, yes - the main thing is that you have enough, but you can forget about energy profitability - let the descendants get out by themselves.
                      At the expense of whose taxes is the budget mainly formed? - You better think at the expense of whose "national property" these taxes are paid, and why only a small part of the profit goes to the budget in the form of taxes, and not ALL the profit.
                      maybe their wealth is not only mansions and villas of management, but also for example pensions, benefits, expenses for medicine, education, defense? - Nope laughing See above.
                      IF ISIS defeats Syria - See paragraph 1.
                      PMCs are a very convenient and effective tool. - A tool to defend the interests of oil pumps, and they use it when hiring foreign PMCs.
                      only liberal - It can translate everything into benefits for a narrow circle of people, which is what you are doing.
                      Workers again do not give a salary? - Tell me more about the business that creates jobs. laughing
                      including for our army - Including, not for.
                      Or again so if past you - Build factories - there will be jobs, but it’s much easier to create vacancies for thugs than enterprises - right?
                      how to fight and win - Who are you going to win, and for whom?
                      be for example PMCs in Iraq “There would be several hundred more corpses, and even if the fighters had not slandered when the roast smelled.”
                      one fact hiring them will condemn - Black water has cooled many goals? This is not an army - they have different tasks.
                      1. Arxon
                        Arxon 27 October 2014 21: 04
                        -2
                        The Russian budget has 50% of the sale of hydrocarbons, and this is the social network, the army, new enterprises
                      2. Userpic
                        Userpic 27 October 2014 21: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: ARXON
                        The Russian budget has 50% of the sale of hydrocarbons, and this is the social network, the army, new enterprises

                        The total tax burden on oil and gas companies - 45% (Gazprom and Rosneft 22.5%) - is compensated by the domestic consumer.
                        Income tax - 20%.

                        Questions?
                      3. Wheel
                        Wheel 27 October 2014 23: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: ARXON
                        The Russian budget has 50% of the sale of hydrocarbons, and this is the social network, the army,

                        keep army bureaucrats.
                        Quote: ARXON
                        new enterprises

                        Where??????
                        What new enterprises have the state built over the past 23 years ?????
                      4. Orty
                        Orty 28 October 2014 09: 22
                        -1
                        The United States will never crush ISIS seriously, the experience of Afghanistan and Iraq shows that the Yankees can only create chaos, and here it will be, they will report on the bombings about success and that's it. As for the fact that we do not create production, you go tell your grandmother, but rather read the site sdelanounas .ru, it’s done especially for people like you.
                        And now? Who has the main profit from it? the one who produces and sells it, and what happens differently? Not for you or to give me money? And the state and you, in particular, have a profit from it indirectly through taxes to the budget.
                        You'd better think at the expense of whose "national property" these taxes are paid, and why only a small part of the profit goes to the budget in the form of taxes, and not ALL of the profit. OK, let's nationalize Gazprom, only that was before 1991, even that didn’t work!
                        A tool to defend the interests of oil pumps, and they use it when hiring foreign PMCs. And that our oil companies should not be protected by our own state, which has taxes on them from which it forms the budget? For some reason, the Yankees understand this, the British understand this, the French, too, and all the rest, only we have freaks who do not agree with this! You see, the state should spit on the largest companies (damned capitalists! They didn’t unfasten money to Yuserpik personally!), Let them get out! Let competitors crush them, because they don’t have such freaks and they will support their oil industry as soon as they can.
                        Tell me more about the business that creates jobs.And what is it not? Doesn't create? Arguing!
                        Including, not for. Those. Do you not agree that at least this does not contradict the interests of our army? So why the whining? Weapons business, it’s also a business you know (aha tautology) but what's wrong with that?
                        Build factories - there will be jobs, but it’s much easier to create jobs for thugs than enterprises - right? once again read the site is done with us and then noah.
                        Who are you going to win, and for whom?Again dull and distort? It is not me, our PMCs, to defeat ISIS, in our interests.
                        There would be several hundred more corpses, and even if the fighters had not slandered when the fried smell. But horseradish.
                        Black water has cooled many goals? This is not an army - they have different tasks.He himself answered that BV had some tasks, ours will have different ones.
                        And by the way, you didn’t answer the questions uncomfortable for you, Are you stupid with a specialist? Once again, IF ISIS wins in Syria, then it, as a "legitimate" new government of the country, will demand that we dump, and either start a war, or bring down. Whatever this is, you need to help Assad to hold on, for this, PMCs are needed, this is a very convenient and effective tool for the presence of our military force. But there is a base in Tartus, so what will you do?
                      5. Userpic
                        Userpic 28 October 2014 11: 51
                        +2
                        USA will never crush ISIS seriously - Do not need. We need them to knead for about 20 years, and this is GRU'S TASK.

                        or better read the site sdelanounas .ru - 40 relatively large enterprises in 14 years, half of which are screwdriver assemblies? Which were created NOT by the STATE, but, so to speak, under Putin? Against the backdrop of closing at least the same amount? My dear, from the 28th to the 37th year, SIX THOUSANDS were built! large enterprises (and this is not counting those that are now declared as "large") - can you draw conclusions yourself?

                        extracts and sells, and what happens differently? - Yes.

                        indirectly through taxes to the budget - Brilliant! Once again, for the most impenetrable: in the budget, in monetary terms, as a whole, only thirty-five percent will be hit.

                        even did not work! - Even how it worked - we still live due to what was done before the 91st.

                        through which forms the budget - fool companies working abroad pay taxes abroad: what you are talking about are oligarchic interests, not national ones.

                        the british understand this, the french too - the state machine always defends the interests of the ruling class, at the same time passing them off as national, but you don’t want to get this over — you’d better be repeating the classic liberal cliches.

                        Doesn't create? Arguing! - Kindergarten ... Business creates jobs exactly as much as a carpenter creates shavings. This is not job creation - it is an inevitable cost.

                        Those. you - are we on "YOU", or on "YOU"? Decide already.

                        at least this does not contradict the interests of the army? - It contradicts, because it solves the problem of making dough, and not qualitatively-quantitative armament of the army.

                        our PMCs defeat ISIS - And our business is to provide the population a comfortable old age - og, og laughing

                        But horseradish. - "I'm not sure! You are lying!"

                        He answered - Has it cooled so much, or what?

                        Whatever it is, you need to help Assad - So help - what’s there with the S-300?

                        for this, and PMCs - No, for this you need to help, and not to balabol at the "Valdai".
                        PMCs carry out protective and punitive functions - this is also a regular army, and the employer is fully responsible for their actions.
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 27 October 2014 14: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: Orty
                      ... "This is the key, but who will be paid?" Who will work, the warriors in the state, or are they not people? Don't they need money? Or, again, if it doesn't correspond to the interests of the state?

                      It is not that simple
                      Advantages and disadvantages [edit wiki text]

                      Advantages of PMCs over regular armed forces:
                      their use does not cause the West European population that discontent that may cause the use of regular armed forces [9];
                      they can be a counterbalance to the local armed forces in states with weak political institutions.
                      they are capable of rapid deployment.
                      PMC personnel losses are not taken into account in official government reports [38].
                      more flexible operational management.
                      lack of bureaucracy.
                      higher professionalism compared to regular troops.

                      Disadvantages:
                      lack of ideological and ideological motivation of personnel [39]
                      the terms of PMC contracts do not provide all options for the development of the situation, which reduces the flexibility of their actions in a combat situation
                      lack of a single action plan and a single operational center for command and control and PMCs
                      lack of exchange or incomplete operational data
              2. nvv
                nvv 27 October 2014 13: 07
                +2
                Quote: Userpic
                My friend, do not take it for rudeness, but your words are generally not very good, which is evidenced by both our "skirmish" and this monosyllabic phrase.

                I'm sorry. I don’t stuff up as friends. And the monosyllabic phrase is not due to the fact that the bream wanted to leave you, but because there was nothing to add. I didn’t even look at the nickname. I'll keep that in mind.
                1. Userpic
                  Userpic 27 October 2014 13: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: nvv
                  I'm not stuffing friends
                  I noticed smile

                  But the monosyllabic phrase is not because the bream wanted to leave you, but because there was nothing to add
                  And there is nothing to add - because you don’t want to think, preferring to take stupid conspiracy theology on faith.

                  Interests declared national - these are the interests of the ruling class, which, from time to time, coincide with the interests of the whole society, but only coincide. Who is the ruling class in the Russian Federation?
                  1. DRA-88
                    DRA-88 27 October 2014 13: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: Userpic
                    And there is nothing to add - because you don’t want to think, preferring to take stupid conspiracy theology on faith.

                    Come on, roll on the Old Man! laughing
                    1. nvv
                      nvv 27 October 2014 13: 40
                      +2
                      Waldemar .... We give up ..... !!!!
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      Come on, roll on the Old Man
                      1. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 27 October 2014 13: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: nvv
                        Waldemar .... We give up ..... !!!!

                        You are at. stop alarming! angry laughing
                        The communists do not give up !!!
                      2. nvv
                        nvv 27 October 2014 13: 50
                        +1
                        I am sympathetic. Forgive me. Speaking of the Communists
                      3. chukotka
                        chukotka 27 October 2014 20: 25
                        0
                        I think that this site (forum) is not a place for such discussions, but some kind of "worm" inside, prompts to ask: "What do you mean by the phrase" Soviet power! "???"

                        Only I belittle you, do not cite the example of the USSR, because there it ended back in the late 20s of the 20th century!

                        But what we observed further and, up to 1991, was nothing more than a one-party dictatorship with the "profanation" of elections.
                        Or, do you think that the secretary of the City Committee (Regional Committee, Regional Committee, etc.) was just a "party functionary" and did not go to him "bowed down" - "democratically elected people's representatives" and leaders from among them, all These Chairmen SelSOVETOV, GOROSOVETO, Regional Council and ... up to the Supreme Soviet, and He was not a REAL representative of the "Soviet" power ?!
                      4. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 27 October 2014 22: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: chukotka
                        Do you mean by the phrase "Soviet power!" ??? "

                        Power of the Soviets!
                      5. Userpic
                        Userpic 27 October 2014 22: 38
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Quote: chukotka
                        Do you mean by the phrase "Soviet power!" ??? "

                        Power of the Soviets!

                        It explains everything laughing

                        good
                      6. chukotka
                        chukotka 29 October 2014 12: 51
                        0
                        I'll return ... to the origins: "Was it (the power of the Soviets)?"
                  2. nvv
                    nvv 27 October 2014 13: 36
                    +2
                    Userpic. Why are you boring. I told you, we don’t understand each other. We have a different understanding with you. Will we separate beautifully?
                    1. DRA-88
                      DRA-88 27 October 2014 13: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: nvv
                      Let’s disperse nicely?

                      A letter has come to you)))) lol
                      or is about to come!
                    2. Userpic
                      Userpic 27 October 2014 15: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: nvv
                      Userpic. What are you boring
                      Et yes laughing

                      I told you, we won’t understand each other.
                      There is nothing complicated to understand, it’s another matter that you have run into conspiracy theories and have no desire to look at what is happening from the point of view of the good old materialism — apparently this is boring for you.

                      Let’s disperse nicely?
                      Yes, we kind of unmarried drinks
                      1. nvv
                        nvv 27 October 2014 17: 45
                        -1
                        I'm stubborn when I'm sure. I can admit my mistake when I'm wrong. Are you weak? Here you have what you call conspiracy thesis. What do you disagree with? Don’t answer right away. We’ll disconnect.
                      2. Userpic
                        Userpic 27 October 2014 18: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: nvv
                        What do you disagree with?
                        With sucked from one place, unsubstantiated allegations.
                        With mysticism and conspiracy theories.
                        With a conceptual apparatus that contradicts itself.
                        With the distortion of the conclusions made in the framework of the psychological and sociological sciences, and passing these conclusions as his brainchild.
                        With a lie, distortion and distortion (an example resulted).
                        With security.

                        Is it enough?

                        The fact that such a BER is absolutely definitely written in freakopedia is neither added nor diminished.

                        Z.Y. Do you really think that I have never heard Petrov? smile
              3. FACKtoREAL
                FACKtoREAL 27 October 2014 14: 09
                0
                And where are our national interests in Syria and Iraq?

                And in your opinion, "OUR" national interests are limited only sofa-kitchen-toilet-bedroom ? request
                1. Userpic
                  Userpic 27 October 2014 15: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: FACKtoREAL
                  And in your opinion, "OUR" national interests are limited only sofa-kitchen-toilet-bedroom ?

                  A self-sufficient economy, high social guarantees, internal and external security and comprehensive development of the country and its citizens - where is all this? In Syria and Iraq?
          2. Orty
            Orty 27 October 2014 10: 28
            0
            Well, for example, the use of PMCs to destroy ISIS, which in the event of their victory in Syria and Iraq will be in our Caucasus, and in the Volga region, and in Central Asia will be just the defense of our national interests. Or do you disagree?
        2. DRA-88
          DRA-88 27 October 2014 13: 27
          +6
          Quote: Orty
          You write garbage, it’s not an end in itself, but a means, instrument, evil cannot be defined, and if money goes to defend our national interests, then it’s generally good in its purest form.

          You, dear, are mistaken!
          PMC tool of the rich! Who pays, and that "sneaker".
          Now the question is when did the interests of the oligarchic bourgeoisie become national?
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      3. Ober.K
        Ober.K 27 October 2014 10: 19
        +5
        I agree, this is a direct way to create combat units for the fifth column !!!
        1. Orty
          Orty 27 October 2014 10: 48
          -1
          All such PMCs exist only under the patronage of specials. services, and there are few such companies. You do not think that it will be possible to come to the tax office and open a PMC in a couple of days? PMCs are an instrument of foreign policy and nothing more.
          1. nvv
            nvv 27 October 2014 11: 03
            +1
            Quote: Orty
            All such PMCs exist only under the patronage of specials. services

            The USSR was also under the patronage of the KGB. And where is he? And the best patronage is the patronage of the people. But even then it has not been achieved.
            1. Orty
              Orty 28 October 2014 08: 52
              0
              Patronage of the people? Go ahead, tell me what it is and how to implement it?
          2. DRA-88
            DRA-88 27 October 2014 13: 31
            +3
            Quote: Orty
            PMCs are an instrument of foreign policy and nothing more.

            Old man Foreign Policy Instrument has always been Remember!!!
            1. Orty
              Orty 28 October 2014 08: 54
              -1
              Yeah, they forgot the Russian Defense Ministry, otherwise I don’t know what the GRU is! So the old man, PMCs and the GRU do not contradict each other, moreover, PMCs will be an excellent cover for that GRU, essentially a branch.
    3. Homo
      Homo 27 October 2014 12: 53
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Private property of citizens of the Russian Federation abroad can be protected / protected by security firms that work in these countries, for the money of these citizens.

      Then I look at the police of Western countries so successfully guards the Russian embassies that we only have time to change the windows and the grids! And about the property of Russian private companies, I generally keep quiet!
    4. atalef
      atalef 27 October 2014 14: 07
      0
      Quote: tasha
      I do not quite understand the need to create such companies

      For at least some kind of legalization of volunteers in New Russia (primarily military personnel on vacation) and the payment of compensation to the families of the deceased and the disabled.
      But how to consider, say, a disabled person (recruited through a military registration and enlistment office - this is no secret to anyone) and injured.
      Who will pay for the treatment? And the injury, how is it determined? How household? Or as part of the war? Absolutely different compensation and benefits.
      As a participant in hostilities - it’s not possible because these compensations are paid by the state, which means it must recognize. that in Ukraine people are sent there by the state (which of course no one wants to recognize)
      And here everything is simple. they will be registered as members of PMCs, and the state will create an insurance and compensation fund (more precisely, it will be called private PMC insurance fund) and will be paid from there.
      It’s just that the number of killed and wounded Russians has already reached such a figure that it is not possible to hush up this problem further. and no private donation can handle it.
      There’s not even a conversation about the dead since - paid the killed one-time and forgot
      The wounded and disabled in the future are ten times more expensive. And no one needs any Vasya Pupkin to lose his health in Ukraine and become an invalid (sent there through a military registration and enlistment office) - he suddenly filed a lawsuit and would demand compensation from the state.
      And there can be hundreds of such and no conspiracy will help.
      This is the only logical reason for the appearance of this law.
      because in all other places (such as Iraq), Russian PMCs operate and they did not have any problems.
      1. Babr
        Babr 27 October 2014 15: 17
        +1
        Everywhere money, money, money, everywhere money, gentlemen. And without money, life is bad, it’s worthless. Can you think of other criteria? Gentlemen, the Jews.
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 October 2014 15: 26
          +1
          Quote: Babr
          Everywhere money, money, money, everywhere money, gentlemen. And without money, life is bad, it’s worthless. Can you think of other criteria? Gentlemen jews

          Say it to a widow or a disabled person.
          1. Babr
            Babr 27 October 2014 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Babr
            Everywhere money, money, money, everywhere money, gentlemen. And without money, life is bad, it’s worthless. Can you think of other criteria? Gentlemen jews

            Say it to a widow or a disabled person.

            If offended, sorry. tongueAnd how to help a disabled person? Growth?
    5. lichide
      lichide 28 October 2014 13: 50
      +1
      Well, what don’t you understand? Are factories, oil, gas, money, house management already private? private! This means that land, residential buildings, roads, the army, navy, police, GB, government and governors will soon become private. And everything else will belong to the people. But what about?
  3. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 27 October 2014 09: 02
    +10
    I am “For”, but it should only be emphasized that such organizations can only operate outside Russia, I don’t care what they will do abroad, guard, fight, etc., but within the territory of the Russian Federation they perform no actions can not. As an example, you can cite the CIA in the United States, or, at worst, Ancient Rome.
    1. Orty
      Orty 27 October 2014 09: 07
      +5
      I agree, no jurisdiction within the Russian Federation.
    2. La-5
      La-5 27 October 2014 09: 12
      +5
      I support, let these companies work abroad.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 October 2014 09: 46
        +5
        Contrary to popular belief, the main field of PMC activity is not war, but training. US private companies under a contract with the MO do a great job in the field of training. Contain private landfills equipped with the latest technology.
        And this aspect of PMC’s activity is also in great demand among us.
        1. teron
          teron 27 October 2014 10: 58
          +3
          Well, it means that the law will need to clearly describe what PMCs can do within the Russian Federation and what not. They don’t constantly fight somewhere.
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 27 October 2014 23: 17
          0
          Quote: Spade
          And this aspect of PMC’s activity is also in great demand among us.

          Isn’t it easier to really revive DOSAAF?
  4. Metal
    Metal 27 October 2014 09: 13
    +1
    PMCs are necessary in order to justify the appearance of Russian troops in Ukraine. In fact, it should be a state organization under the full control of the Ministry of Defense.
    1. Orty
      Orty 27 October 2014 09: 55
      -1
      I think that PMCs are no longer being prepared for 404 countries, but for Syria and Iraq.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 27 October 2014 09: 14
    +5
    Oh, how it should be ... so that the law would be adopted .. Let's say the Swedes discovered a submarine, and it is private ... smile
  6. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 27 October 2014 09: 17
    +2
    If for operations abroad, where regular units cannot be used, then definitely yes. Our state should also have such tools for acting abroad. Of course, the state needs to control these formations.
  7. Bassoon
    Bassoon 27 October 2014 09: 25
    +1
    Under the guise of PMCs, our MTRs may well operate.
  8. erased
    erased 27 October 2014 09: 25
    +2
    Not even a century has passed! PMCs are worldwide. Work, earn, all rank by rank. Yes, they plow on the owners and fulfill their will. But then who is watching the host and what he wants. In Russia, PMCs have nowhere and no need to work - there are security agencies. But to protect and protect the interests of the country and private firms abroad can and should.
    The main thing is not to let PMCs go on their own. And legislate the main points of the contracts. By the way, for comparison - a Russian PMC employee abroad receives 5-7 thousand dollars. A foreigner - from 10 thousand. Why? Because ours immediately knocked down the level of salaries, they were ready to plow and for 5 pieces - by our standards, a huge amount for an ordinary person. And the imported lads know the price. So that it doesn't work out that even now the Russians will be "bought" at a low price, you can immediately determine the minimum. And plus the rest of the contracts. And so - only on the way.
  9. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 27 October 2014 09: 28
    0
    Perhaps the creation and justified, to solve a number of problems. However, the most severe state control is needed to regulate activities.
  10. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 27 October 2014 09: 41
    +1
    I think it is high time to create our own PMCs and not only with the aim of protecting the property of the Russian Federation abroad, but primarily as an instrument of the foreign policy of our government. Not everywhere and not in all local conflicts we can use our armed forces openly or even under cover to protect interests In the situation with PMCs, the government can always say that this is a private organization that has nothing to do with the government of the Russian Federation, people just make money. The creation of a PMC will also give a chance to a certain part of the retired military to realize themselves and apply their knowledge, so to speak, in civilian life It is a well-known fact that not all retired military men find themselves in civilian life, even among the retirees who have worked out in civilian life, sometimes they "yearn for the helm." power structures, where there will be less bureaucracy and red tape, and there will be more live work, if you want to create an atmosphere of competition between PMCs and sludge structures. Control of PMCs is unconditionally needed, and not only from the government, but also public, maybe even primarily from the civil society of our country. In my opinion, our PMCs still will not become gangs of mercenaries, with moral and patriotic motivation from our the retired military is all right.
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 October 2014 09: 50
    0
    There will be (if the State Duma accepts) our official "wild geese". Why did it give up, only food for the next State Department horror stories.
  12. 31rus
    31rus 27 October 2014 09: 54
    0
    The author of the article did not understand how a Russian PMC will protect property abroad? If there is a court decision of the country where the property of Russia is located, the PMC or other structure must comply with the court decision, otherwise the property will be arrested, and the organization performing the functions of the PMC or the PMC itself will be expelled, and even with an international scandal. PMCs are needed where it is impossible to openly use the Armed Forces or other similar situations, political, economic. An important point should be spelled out in the law - "action on the territory of the Russian Federation is prohibited." There are more questions than answers, here just to pass the law will not work, otherwise we will break the wood
  13. Sargard A.
    Sargard A. 27 October 2014 10: 01
    +2
    The author’s naive reasoning is touching that (I quote): “If we take into account that the company is still private and works exclusively for money (certainly not for an idea), then there isn’t even an hour when the representatives of this PMC will be offered more ... Will there be an offer they can refuse? - that is the question. " The question arises - why are contractors in Iraq not massively going over to the side of ISIS?
  14. Userpic
    Userpic 27 October 2014 10: 10
    +3
    I wonder how many of those who support this idea have recently haili mercenaries "Kolomoisky"?
    How many of the supporters are afraid of the legalization of the short-barrel, but at the same time they are not afraid of the legalization of trained and absolutely unprincipled comrades who are ready to kill who they say for grandmas?
    How many of you, who declared yesterday the need to press the oligarchy to your fingernail, and who are ready today to legalize the army of this oligarchy?

    Porridge in the head ...
    1. Massik
      Massik 27 October 2014 10: 30
      0
      I wonder how many of those who support this idea have recently haili mercenaries "Kolomoisky"?
      How many of the supporters are afraid of the legalization of the short-barrel, but at the same time they are not afraid of the legalization of trained and absolutely unprincipled comrades who are ready to kill who they say for grandmas?
      Bullshit, you think now
      trained and completely unprincipled comrades
      what will it stop if it presses hard ??? I do not understand how it is possible to "legalize" a person who, whatever one may say, has experience and what it is to fight, he knows not by hearsay. Not "legalized" is he afraid to use his skills?)
      1. Userpic
        Userpic 27 October 2014 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: Marssik
        Bullshit
        What is it?
        Recent allegations that mercenaries of the Ukrainian oligarchy are scum?
        Statements that it is impossible to legalize the short-barrel, as we shoot each other?
        What nonsense?

        Do you think that something will stop prepared and absolutely unprincipled comrades if they strongly press ???
        ??

        I do not understand how it is possible to "legalize" a person who, whatever one may say, has experience and what it is to fight, he knows not by hearsay. Not "legalized" is he afraid to use his skills?)
        Of course. Currently, under the auspices of the security agencies, the mercenary is limited both by law and in free access to serious weapons, and the PMC law de facto offers to legalize organized crime groups operating in the country (for actions abroad, if such a need arises, it is preferable to use foreign companies).
    2. Orty
      Orty 27 October 2014 10: 58
      0
      Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. I don’t know what kind of porridge you have in your head, since you cannot understand the obvious, nobody creates PMCs like that, like he came to the tax office and created PMCs, each PMC is essentially a special branch. service, and without their consent, hell who and what will create, and I do not think that there will be more than 3-4 of these companies. In addition, I am sure that there will be no jurisdictions within the Russian Federation. PMCs are an instrument of foreign policy. But Benny did not create PMCs, but a gang, organized crime groups, illegal armed groups because, firstly, it is illegal, and secondly, they operate on the territory of Ukraine, and not abroad.
      1. Userpic
        Userpic 27 October 2014 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: Orty
        each PMC is essentially a branch of some kind of special. service
        What does it change?

        In addition, I am sure that there will be no jurisdictions within the Russian Federation.
        Well so - they will exclusively run around the Republic of Kazakhstan. laughing

        PMCs are a foreign policy tool
        PMCs are a way to earn blood dough.

        But Benny did not create PMCs, but a gang, organized crime groups, illegal armed groups because, firstly, it is illegal, and secondly, they operate on the territory of Ukraine, and not abroad.
        They will legalize it (in the Russian Federation this law is also adopted to legitimize organized crime groups - it’s more logical to hire foreign companies for actions abroad, or to prepare locals who are discontented among the environment)
        1. Orty
          Orty 28 October 2014 09: 33
          0
          Once again, for those who are not attentive, each PMC is essentially a branch of some kind of special. services, do you really think that such PMCs will act exclusively in the interests of the employer? If so, you are a very naive person. As for where they will run, PMCs themselves do not appear anywhere, it is necessary for the government of that country to invite them, i.e. hired, and not just like that, for some specific work, to perform specific tasks. PMCs are not necessarily a blood business; the lion's share of the contracts of the same American PMCs is the training of soldiers from 3 countries of the world. And even if you are such a moralizer in the blood, then I advise the RF then to completely stop the arms trade. This is not humane! That is what the Yankees and everyone else will have joy, finally in Russia in power, fucking idealists who see the world in black and white! The whole arms market can be squeezed out! Once again, PMCs are not organized crime groups, because you don’t speak out against private security companies, that's where the criminal roof flourished in the 90s!
          1. Userpic
            Userpic 28 October 2014 12: 16
            0
            Quote: Orty
            Once again, for those who are not attentive, each PMC is essentially a branch of some kind of special. services, do you really think that such PMCs will act exclusively in the interests of the employer? If so, you are a very naive person. As for where they will run, PMCs themselves do not appear anywhere, it is necessary for the government of that country to invite them, i.e. hired, and not just like that, for some specific work, to perform specific tasks. PMCs are not necessarily a blood business; the lion's share of the contracts of the same American PMCs is the training of soldiers from 3 countries of the world.
            This sticking out of the series - "... What are you! They have spies, and we have scouts! ..."

            And even if you are such a moralizer in the blood, then I advise the RF then to completely stop the arms trade. This is not humane!
            Humanely, if supplied to the humanists. laughing

            Once again PMCs are not organized crime groups
            Taki legalized organized crime groups.

            you do not speak out against private security companies, that's where the criminal roof flourished in the 90s!
            I am speaking. It flourished. It flourishes today.
            But the stated tasks are more modest, and now they are trying to fix it - to expand the range of tasks and legalize serious weapons.
  15. deadj
    deadj 27 October 2014 10: 28
    0
    Yes, the project will be slowed down; no-one needs security officers, but the oligarchs.
  16. pinecone
    pinecone 27 October 2014 10: 30
    +4
    Quote: Userpic
    I wonder how many of those who support this idea have recently hailed the Kolomoisky mercenaries?
    How many of the supporters are afraid of the legalization of the short-barrel, but at the same time they are not afraid of the legalization of trained and absolutely unprincipled comrades who are ready to kill who they say for grandmas?
    How many of you, who declared yesterday the need to press the oligarchy to your fingernail, and who are ready today to legalize the armies of this oligarchy?


    A dangerous undertaking, which, among other things, may well lead to the transfer of some of the selected personnel from the RF Armed Forces to combat units belonging to oligarchic structures, including with the participation of foreign capital.
    1. Userpic
      Userpic 27 October 2014 11: 21
      +2
      Quote: pinecone
      A dangerous undertaking, which, among other things, may well lead to the transfer of some of the selected personnel from the RF Armed Forces to combat units belonging to oligarchic structures, including with the participation of foreign capital.

      Absolutely.
  17. Massik
    Massik 27 October 2014 10: 37
    +1
    Here's another PMC to create, let the goat into the garden ... Why do we need an army ??? Let him go to improve his skills, at the same time and earn money, at least some kind of help to the budget in the purchase of weapons. Exclusively contract units with the personal consent of each soldier. The fact that we, as usual, are in trouble with political will, no PMCs will help this, they will see the Russian army in them in the same way, and our people, fearing for their "three soldo" abroad, will meekly bleat.
  18. provincial
    provincial 27 October 2014 10: 51
    +1
    There are PMCs in the Russian Federation. All security companies, only it is necessary to legalize them and give more authority. This is what the SR deals with.
  19. 23424636
    23424636 27 October 2014 11: 20
    0
    what is already in effect, it’s time to legalize unless a person after special forces can catch fish on a fishing rod - only on the net or net
  20. Berg berg
    Berg berg 27 October 2014 12: 25
    +1
    Only abroad and not to the detriment of Russia! And to register that even an indirect direction against one’s state of Russia is criminally punishable as treason! If you give rights, then ask in full!
  21. Prager
    Prager 27 October 2014 13: 16
    +2
    each oligarch will acquire his own division - this is the essence of the law.
  22. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 27 October 2014 13: 35
    0
    Quote: Prager
    each oligarch will acquire his own division - this is the essence of the law.

    I agree. Why PMC? always the army and the KGB did this. it is better then to create private security in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  23. flSergius
    flSergius 27 October 2014 13: 36
    0
    Given that the company is still private, and works exclusively for money (certainly not for the idea), it’s not an hour when someone will offer more to the representatives of this PMC ... Will there be an offer they can refuse? - that is the question.


    An invention from the category "if citizens are given weapons, they will shoot each other!" It is necessary to organize normally. For example, to introduce proven former intelligence officers to the boards of directors and pay them "in a black way" so that if something happens, the betrayal of subordinates will hit them the most.
  24. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 27 October 2014 13: 43
    +1
    Quote: flSergius
    Given that the company is still private, and works exclusively for money (certainly not for the idea), it’s not an hour when someone will offer more to the representatives of this PMC ... Will there be an offer they can refuse? - that is the question.


    An invention from the category "if citizens are given weapons, they will shoot each other!" It is necessary to organize normally. For example, to introduce proven former intelligence officers to the boards of directors and pay them "in a black way" so that if something happens, the betrayal of subordinates will hit them the most.

    Have you seen in Russia normally? especially where money is involved
    1. flSergius
      flSergius 27 October 2014 15: 38
      0
      Why are you doing this? Besides, we have a lot of problems? So it's a button accordion-button accordion. Or to the fact that you should put an end to your country, not believe that you can improve it, not try, and only squeal "sawing", "totalitarianism", "covering gebnya" in blozhiks? So you are on the "echo of matzo", not on VO.
  25. Anton2013
    Anton2013 27 October 2014 15: 24
    +1
    I don’t understand what is terrible in PMCs, we have already missed dozens of opportunities, since we did not have such a tool.
    For example, Novorossiya could hire a PMC "Horns and Hooves" which would provide services:
    1) On military training of the Armed Forces of the republic.
    2) For repair and maintenance of armored vehicles (which is especially true)
    3) To protect a number of facilities
    Itd ... and do it all officially, and the Russian Federation, as it were, has nothing to do with, they say, only business, we have a free country, private traders work as they want ...
    Or the same Polite people in Crimea, it would be much better if instead of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, although without identification marks, the same people would perform the same actions, but under the guise of PMCs (which by the way can even be registered in Abkhazia or Cayman Islands) which was officially hired by the City Council of Sevastopol and the Crimean government ...


    Again, we have a certain category of professionals for a number of reasons who have left the civil service, it is better to go to PMCs than to bandits or to foreign PMCs
  26. Alex19
    Alex19 27 October 2014 15: 31
    0
    Please do not forget the armed people of one country, in the territory of another, legally - is not intelligence ideal ?? And state control over them must be mandatory. It’s just that these people, like some in the business, will be specialists with normal weapons, normal money, and some kind of Rambo with a license to kill.
    1. Userpic
      Userpic 27 October 2014 15: 50
      +1
      Quote: Alex19
      armed people of one country, in another, legally - is not intelligence ideal ??

      Without the consent of the authorities of the host state and the UN mandate, this is in any case a violation of legal norms and an act of aggression, and with the consent, the armed forces will be there legally.
      So where does PMC?
  27. w.barc
    w.barc 27 October 2014 16: 39
    0
    PMCs are good) but they will outbid ... we don’t forget that the same USA PMCs do not have the right to work against US addresses
  28. Wolf
    Wolf 27 October 2014 17: 15
    0
    ETO JUST A FRAUD OF THE PEOPLE !!!


    Think 10ok Kolome Колskih with the army’s hour what will I do? ;)
    1. flSergius
      flSergius 27 October 2014 21: 08
      0
      Think 10ok Kolome Колskih with the army’s hour what will I do? ;)


      Kalomoysha in its present form exists due to the spinelessness of the chocolate pig and is torn apart in the parliament. In Russia, power is quite centralized if they try to do something illegal, the fighters of the ODON, then the Alpha, quickly arrive and explain why the big fly on arms is bad.
  29. Belbizback
    Belbizback 27 October 2014 17: 15
    0
    It’s time, under the guise of Russian PMCs, to squeeze something and crush someone you need .... And then pri.ueli gentlemen in the west ....
  30. Elena2013
    Elena2013 27 October 2014 17: 27
    +3
    For me, PMCs are evil, anyway! crying
  31. Rearden
    Rearden 27 October 2014 17: 27
    0
    In Russia, after the reforms of Serdyuk, many retired military men. Which would happily join such formations ....

    PMC in the first place is a business. The global market for PMCs is estimated at $ 200 billion. Can you imagine these numbers? And in this niche there is no RF. PMCs are an excellent tool for shadow politics. When you want to help Syria, it cannot. When you want to help Donbass, but can’t.

    Money will always affect all aspects of a person's life in one way or another. No need to indulge in snot "aa, all for the money" Where can I do without them. And in general, it is the fighters among PMCs in the world at least. The main ones are engaged in the protection, armed to the teeth by the protection of state property outside its borders. Our large companies employ foreigners. Why. If there are people ready for this and opportunities. The matter remains with the law.

    And yes, people who have "spent" are returned by experienced soldiers. That is exactly what the Russian army lacks. Experience. Whatever they say, "Russia has better armored vehicles, better small arms, better aviation than the United States" The United States has been fighting for 20 years. They have tremendous experience in warfare. And this is what distinguishes the Russian army from the United States. Experience. The war with Georgia does not count, 5 days is not an experience, but a test of combat readiness.

    PMCs are good and necessary. All who whine about money are strange people. Military, same profession as store director. And the military must receive money. And just at PMCs he will receive very decent money. It is necessary to give an opportunity, and so lagged behind our direct competitors for 15 years.
  32. tasha
    tasha 27 October 2014 17: 32
    0
    Caught here material on the topic from 2012g. Perhaps the amendments are talking about the legalization of the activities of our private security companies abroad?
    http://guard-live.ru/2012/03/27/rf-legalizuet-rabotu-chastnyx-voennyx-za-rubezho
    m/
  33. saag
    saag 27 October 2014 17: 39
    0
    "... Will there be an offer they can refuse?"

    For example, 30 billion, there is such a budget, which PMCs can withstand its development?
  34. Roman_999
    Roman_999 27 October 2014 17: 50
    0
    Very on time, VERY. In the evening with coffee, I will look at the text if it is available. Such power is very necessary now. The main thing is that the guys will not work for the state, it cannot be said that the Russians came. BUT the text first. You need to look at what they see on the sidelines under the concept of PRIVATE, if these are the troops of the oligarchs, then I am extremely opposed.
  35. saag
    saag 27 October 2014 18: 56
    +2
    Quote: Roman_999
    if it is the troops of the oligarchs

    How else? GDP only does deal with such
  36. Hauptam
    Hauptam 27 October 2014 19: 36
    +3
    Why do you need PMCs - they are needed to protect the interests of the oligarchs, they feel that it smells like a singe, PMCs tell them what Donbas you are about, who pays that lady and dances. The interests of the country should be protected by regular (personnel) military formations (including abroad) and not by commercial organizations. Come to your senses until it’s too late. Here’s my advice to you (Associate Professor used to say) wassat
  37. saygon66
    saygon66 27 October 2014 20: 37
    +1
    - It seems like we have recently discussed a similar article ... And in the discussion they mentioned "Blackwater", which only the lazy one did not kick! So, order in New Orleans (after the hurricane) could be restored only with the help of this office - the police were powerless ... And, most interestingly, in one of the talk shows, citizens were outraged that the private security companies hired by the authorities took part in the disarmament of the population ! What kind of "armies" not controlled by the state can we talk about? "Academi", "Erinia", "DinCorp" are hired by state structures, and their very existence depends on these structures. And there may be "independent" PMC leaders, but there are no bulletproof ones among them ... but this is so, as a last resort ...
  38. chukotka
    chukotka 27 October 2014 20: 55
    +2
    PMCs are not just stupid copying of the West, but an attempt to create a private, almost uncontrolled by the state bodies, an army whose tasks in the future will be ... sooooo far from declared!

    After all, only the rapid escalation of events in Crimea and Novorossia postponed (I hope that ... canceled) the creation of the National Guard on the basis of the Special Forces of the Interior Ministry ("maroon") - the National Guard, directly subordinate to the President of the country.
    1. artalex32010
      artalex32010 27 October 2014 22: 05
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      I remember that there was news about the creation of a national guard directly subordinate to the President, but then they said that it was a duck. Who knows what they were thinking there, because they also said about the police in 2007 or 2008 that it was a duck, and then .... And what is wrong with the National Guard? The fact that the junta took this name and that it committed war crimes underneath is essentially a bunch of rabble. Our country needs a powerful militarized structure - BBs are already outdated and can not cope with the tasks assigned to them.
    2. Orty
      Orty 28 October 2014 09: 36
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      You have collapsed from an oak tree. Why are they uncontrolled if the state is always the main customer? Where do people get such mess in their heads.
  39. Arxon
    Arxon 27 October 2014 21: 18
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    I believe that the creation of PMCs is advisable, but in order for this company to be completely subordinate to the state, it can be used to solve many problems outside the state.
    1 If you include a large number of reserve officers in these companies, you can partially solve the issue of mobilization.
    at a threatened moment, create regiments and brigades, and their level of training will be higher than the level of conscript soldiers.
    2 Where armed presence is needed, but the RF Armed Forces cannot be used.
    3 If there are dead, then mothers will not have to explain why their children died. Public outcry will be minimal.
    And all this should closely supervise the FSB.
  40. kav669
    kav669 27 October 2014 21: 57
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    Here, something is not clean. We want to copy what is in the West, why? No one will allow weapons to another country. Let the oligarchs protect their property with sticks.
  41. Ajevgenij
    Ajevgenij 27 October 2014 22: 31
    +3
    Yes, just the oligarchs want to legitimize their private armies (rather gang formations).
  42. sogdianec
    sogdianec 28 October 2014 01: 46
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    And in Russian PMCs, what citizens are expected to serve? As always, we will hire migrant workers from Middle Asia or Moldova? Is it better to Ukrainians and Caucasians?
    The concept of civil and officer honor is convertible into silver pennies.
    Let’s then, in general, cancel the article on mercenarism and release all convicted on it. And the lads can legally be able to get a roof.
  43. slovak007
    slovak007 28 October 2014 07: 17
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    PMCs are people who work only for money. No one ever sets high goals in front of them. Well this is how you need to be a moral ugly genus in order to unambiguously carry out murders, but they are naturally implied (after all, this is not a chop). This is a one-time tool of foreign intelligence services, why do we need it? To make it easier to overthrow the government? After all, whoever pays them orders the music!
  44. LOGIC72
    LOGIC72 28 October 2014 08: 22
    +1
    Unfortunately, the current practice of foreign PMCs (in particular American ones) is the aggressive militarism of the state under the guise of PMCs and money laundering. My opinion is that if the law on CHDiOD is brought to perfection and not to half measures, then the need for a PMC may disappear .... Although everything will be traditional: "We wanted the best - it turned out, as always ....."
  45. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 28 October 2014 09: 56
    +1
    Suppose you have passed a law. So, what is next? We’ll leave financing questions (whoever dines for the girl dances her) And how and with what will arm? On what basis will a private person be allowed to carry automatic weapons not included in the list of weapons laws allowed for private ownership? And if I want to have any weapon, then I should join the Ch.v.k. Remember how many bandits were listed in the private security companies.
  46. lichide
    lichide 28 October 2014 15: 21
    +1
    "And the wind returns to square one." Well at least there are books, you can find out what happened and understand what will happen. There is such a country of Baskervilia, it also has a flag that looks like a sphinkler device. So 500 years ago, their king gave his officers - sailors letters of marque in order to plunder everyone - the Portuguese, the Spaniards, the French, even if they really wanted to. The main thing is to bring denefki to the king. Romance ekarny babay! Pirates, corsairs, wild geese, PMCs! .....
  47. Motoroll
    Motoroll 30 October 2014 12: 55
    -1
    Cool! I believe that PMCs should be allowed, and what would they help to defend Novorossia!
  48. bubla5
    bubla5 20 December 2014 19: 05
    +1
    PMCs were created in the United States, as they said for global control of chaos, which means to overthrow unwanted regimes. And we need this, and will these formations for a large fee from abroad participate and influence political life in the country, roughly speaking seizure of power