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Turkey is negotiating with the concern "Eurosam" on the acquisition of air defense system

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Blog bmpd published a translation of an article from the French bulletin "Intelligence Online", which reported on the intensive negotiations being conducted between Ankara and the European consortium "Eurosam" about the purchase of medium-range and long-range air defense systems.

Eurosam SAMP / T SAM

“A delegation of Turkish lawyers and experts from the Department of Defense Industry arrived in Paris in mid-September. Long negotiations with MBDA, Thales and the French Ministry of Defense Arms Directorate were underway to acquire a theater missile defense system under the T-LORAMIDS contract (meaning a variation of SAMP / T air defense missile systems with Aster 30 Block 1 SAM), ” publications.

The proposal of the French defense industry together with the Italian company Finmeccanica (in the framework of the Eurosam consortium) became relevant after the September statement by Recep Erdogan to end negotiations with the Chinese company CPMIEC, which won the tender with its air defense system HQ-9. The official version of the break in the negotiations with the company representatives who have been in Ankara since the beginning of the year is “non-fulfillment of offset obligations to Turkish partners (Roketsan, Havesan and Aselan companies)”.

“In fact,” French writers write, “in parallel with the annexation of Crimea by Russia, the Turkish authorities did not oppose the pressure of NATO, which threatened to cease cooperation in the field of common digital systems of the alliance and Turkey if the Chinese got access to the air defense system.”

As a result, Ankara annulled its initial choice and turned its face to Eurosam, which won the 2 competition. The task now is to “determine the amount of technologies transferred under the contract in the amount of $ 3 billion”.

It is also reported that "Laurent Colle-Beyon, who is in charge of armaments in France, and his Turkish counterpart Murad Bayar decided to create a joint committee to develop bilateral relations in the field of engineering development."
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  1. Giant thought
    Giant thought 23 October 2014 19: 36
    +7
    Well, and Turkey caved in on this issue under the pressure of mattress covers.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 23 October 2014 19: 40
      +3
      Interestingly, in the photo what kind of system, by radius of action?

      Missiles look compact

      Found:
      height - up to 25 km
      range - up to 100 km


      1. opus
        opus 24 October 2014 02: 26
        +2
        Quote: bulvas
        range - up to 100 km

        Aster-30 missiles are capable of hitting targets at ranges up to 120 km.

        SAM Aster 30 is interesting for PIF-PAF (ohm) combined transverse aerodynamic proportional control ((Pilotage en Force-Pilotage Aerodinamique Fort). PIF-PAF is a combined system in which, along with traditional aerodynamic control surfaces, a special transverse control engine (DPU) is used - solid fuel gas generator with four slot nozzles equipped with control valves) located near the center of mass of SAM
        DPU turns on about 1s before meeting the target and its thrust is regulated in accordance with the guidance system commands.
        Direct hit on target 50% of 30 successful test launches
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 23 October 2014 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: Giant thought
      Well, and Turkey caved in on this issue under the pressure of mattress covers.

      Not really, Erdogan shows sufficient disobedience to the United States, for which, incidentally, he was criticized more than once.Although if Turkey had bought the Patriot (MIM-104A) air defense system, the Turks had fewer problems, but their dependence on the United States had increased, which Erdogan has been trying to avoid consistently recently.
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    4. maxcor1974
      maxcor1974 23 October 2014 20: 02
      +3
      The Turks are at risk. The French supplier is not reliable: they will take the money, and the goods are bye-bye ...
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 23 October 2014 21: 51
        0
        The French supplier is not reliable: they will take the money, and the goods are bye-bye ...

        The French have been a traditional supplier of weapons to the Ottomans since the 17th century.
    5. Denis fj
      Denis fj 23 October 2014 22: 34
      0
      But how can an Aster SAM missile with a 15-20 kg warhead be a rival in combat capabilities for the S-500 SAM and a missile with a warhead weighing more than 100 kg? How can an Aster air defense missile with a maximum speed of up to 1400 m / s be a rival for the S-500 air defense missile with a maximum speed of 2500 m / s ???

      clickable.
      1. mark1
        mark1 23 October 2014 22: 50
        +4
        Quote: denis fj
        But as an Aster rocket with a 15-20 kg warhead can be a rival in combat capabilities for the S-500

        Yes, it can’t, if only for the reason that the S-500 does not yet exist in a full-fledged form, and the Aster is already 15 years old. And their tasks do not quite coincide.
        The S-300 and S-350 can be Asteru's rivals, but one is already somewhat outdated and cumbersome, and the other is not yet in the series.
        1. Denis fj
          Denis fj 24 October 2014 01: 05
          -2
          maybe you don’t exist!
          “Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, the developer of the S-500 system, has already manufactured individual system components and has begun testing them.”

          http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/28/661744.html
          1. mark1
            mark1 24 October 2014 07: 42
            0
            Quote: denis fj
            maybe you don’t exist!
            “Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, the developer of the S-500 system, has already manufactured individual system components and has begun testing them.”

            Not only does it not exist with us, as a complete system, but it should not exist with you. You yourself confirm this (unless you are from a parallel reality).
          2. opus
            opus 24 October 2014 10: 34
            +1
            Quote: denis fj
            “Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, the developer of the S-500 system, has already manufactured individual system components and has begun testing them.”

            16 The Expert Council of the East Kazakhstan region criticized Almaz-Antey for disrupting the tests
            ttp: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20140228/997557469.html
            =========================
            so far only posters, and that chassis (which is easiest to "make a separate")


      2. opus
        opus 24 October 2014 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: denis fj
        But like an Aster rocket with a warhead of 15-20 kg m

        When are they going to "compete"?
        SAMP-T (EUROSAM Land system) military, mobile
    6. opus
      opus 24 October 2014 02: 16
      +1
      Quote: Thought Giant
      caved in on this issue under the pressure of mattress covers.

      NATO’s European defense industry, specifically under pressure from Aerospatiale, Alenia and Thompson-CSF.
      The competition / tender T-LORAMIDS (Turkish Long Range Air And Missile Defense System) / then participated:
      = Patriot air defense missile systems in versions of PAC-2 GMT or PAC-3 from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
      = SAMP-T (EUROSAM Land system)
      = Fang Dun-2000 (export version of HQ-9), CPMIEC Chinese Corporation
      = export version of the S-300VM military complex from the Almaz-Antey concern (Rosoboronexport was ready to offer joint Russian-Turkish product based on the Antey-2500 system)

      The choice of the Chinese Fang Dun-2000 complex instead of the American or European - - EXCLUDED TURKEY'S INTEGRATION INTO THE UNITED NATO AIR / ABM SYSTEM. It is technically incompatible with Western systems of general management and data exchange, is not built into the system of Western military standards/ Turkey did not decide to "leave" NATO
      Although Chinese was the most profitable, both in price and in characteristics

      В normal mode the FD-2000 complex is proposed to be used together with a special ground-based passive radar system. This system consists of four electronic intelligence posts, also operating in passive mode, spaced about 30 km apart and designed to record radio-emitting targets.
    7. Nayhas
      Nayhas 24 October 2014 07: 50
      0
      Quote: Giant thought
      Well, and Turkey caved in on this issue under the pressure of mattress covers.

      ? SAMP / T air defense system is so European ... Well, what would you say if Belarus was planning to purchase the Patriot PAC3? Even if we miss the question "and you Brutus ..." the main argument will be the impossibility of the existence in this case of a single air defense of the two states.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 23 October 2014 19: 36
    +2
    again the turretchina against the Yankes rushing? again their "patriots" are not satisfied? what
    1. Момент
      Момент 23 October 2014 19: 37
      +4
      It is a pity that Turkey is trying to sit on two chairs.
  3. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 23 October 2014 19: 37
    +1
    NATO pressed and the Turks were afraid to buy air defense systems in China. soldier
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 24 October 2014 02: 54
      +1
      Yes, the proud Turkish people in the person of Erdogan got a little scared. You never know what vileness can be expected from NATO and the States! recourse
  4. Abbra
    Abbra 23 October 2014 19: 45
    +2
    That's something like ...

    SAMP-T SAM - ground-based medium-range anti-aircraft missile system designed to provide object-based air defense and self-defense. It can operate both independently with target designation from early warning radar, and as part of an integrated air defense system.

    The complex includes:

    fire control system, including multi-function radar with PAR Arabel.
    self-propelled launchers with eight transport and launch containers on the Astra / Iveco (for Italy) and Renault-TRM-10000 (for France) automobile chassis, 8x8 wheel arrangement.
    ASTER-30 anti-aircraft guided missiles.

    The system provides circular firing of air targets and has a minimum reaction time and a high rate of fire (8 missiles can be launched in 10 seconds), simultaneously accompanies up to 10 targets, an integrated self-test system and is controlled by a crew of 2 people.
  5. shitovmg
    shitovmg 23 October 2014 19: 59
    0
    Turkey has not been able to decide for a long time, and they are not allowed into NATO and it is afraid of Russia! And now there is China! ..
    1. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2014 20: 15
      +4
      Quote: shitovmg
      Turkey has not been able to decide for a long time, and they are not allowed into NATO and it is afraid of Russia! And now there is China! ..

      Turkey - joined NATO in 1952.
      1. enot73
        enot73 23 October 2014 20: 43
        +3
        Quote: zennon
        Turkey has not been able to decide for a long time, and they are not allowed into NATO and it is afraid of Russia! And now there is China! ..
        Not Turks are not allowed into NATO, but into the European Union.
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  6. awersa
    awersa 23 October 2014 19: 59
    +1
    Another reason for China not to love the amers ... that's good, that's fine for us ... wink
  7. ty60
    ty60 23 October 2014 20: 37
    0
    They are afraid of China as an economic ally of Russia. At the same time, they are compensating the French for losses due to sanctions against Russia. It is quite logical, unfortunately
  8. zlideny
    zlideny 23 October 2014 21: 02
    0
    Americans throughout Europe pinned their tail and the Turks chanted, but let them kick at themselves, you don’t take your mind from someone else’s head.