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Now, when a crucial moment came in the Ukrainian crisis, when the United States clearly resigned to many positions on this front, when Poroshenko promised all kinds of support, except for any other, except moral, when the negotiation process to resolve the conflict goes without US participation, this the whole mess of the brewers, and even a key and so long-awaited event as the Milan Summit passed without their participation, it’s time to analyze a little the breakdown and bring some intermediate results: who was left with what.

It should be noted that the Internet is gradually filled with triumphant reports describing the defeat of the United States in the next conflict with Russia. And of course, there are obvious reasons for this, and I myself am very much encouraged by such a presentation. But let's take it in order! First, let's mark the actual questions: “Did Russia win? Did the USA lose?” and try to answer them. And in order to understand - who, when and what won, it is necessary to understand what goals and who pursued and already judged by achieving or not achieving these goals.

What are the goals pursued by Russia? In Russia, near its borders, and especially in its ancestral territories, there can be only one interest - peace, stability, tranquility and well-being. What are the interests of the United States? Directly opposite! And, of course, the forecasts that it is simply vital for the United States to draw Russia into a military conflict with a third party are not without foundation. And, of course, they have every reason to assert that it is from Ukraine that this “third party” in twenty-three years has been diligently made. This is at least obvious! And I personally think that it is precisely from the fact of attaining or not achieving these goals that it is necessary to actually conclude who suffered some defeat and who won whom! And first, it is necessary to designate - the military conflict between Ukraine and Russia occurred, of course, but only in the fantasies of some media, which in itself is already a victory for our country. But then in order!

In order to note the factor denoting the victory of Russia on this front, it is necessary to return to the moment when a turning point in the situation began to emerge. And this happened after some rather short time after the fall of the Malaysian Boeing with Europeans on the DPR territory with the Europeans on board! It is this episode in stories Ukrainian confrontation was marked by a sharp surge of anti-Russian rhetoric from the United States, an unprecedented scale, completely smoothly, without any jumps almost gone for a very short period of time, replaced by an exasperated grunt. And what is heard, and most importantly it seems, from there today, fully and obviously personifies the surrender of Obama to Ukraine. On the basis of which, the aforementioned comrade, by the way, is somewhat at risk of becoming another character in the folk songwriting of the non-muscled galloping, in a song with the chorus la-la-la-la. But these are trifles ... especially as nice))

Meanwhile, from the situation described, it appears that the United States in the person of the President and the State Department, as well as some persons and structures allied with them in Europe, were clearly misled by the Ukrainian side, immediately after the fall of Boeing, which accused the pro-Russian militia of bringing it down. And overly emotionally starting to comment on this tragedy, the deceived allies immediately tried to extract the maximum benefit from it, and as a result they fell into the trap immediately after clarifying some of the circumstances of the disaster by the Russian side, and then, apparently, were simply forced to distance themselves as much as possible in order to avoid serious image losses. And now there is an opinion, and it is confirmed by what is happening, that the dead passengers became the subject of the very bargaining that allowed the most aggressive players personified by the United States to be excluded from Participation in the Ukrainian question.

Well, of course, it is very difficult not to call this situation a victory of Russia in the battle for Ukraine. Indeed, in fact, the way it is. But, it should be noted, only if carried away by emotions and the expectation that now less blood will flow in Ukraine, forget about achieving the main goals of this confrontation!

Here it will be appropriate to ask - so what? What won Russia in this confrontation? What did she gain by winning? A burnt Donbass with thousands of victims of a civil (!) Fratricidal war, who will remain in the souls of at least one more generation in a torn wound that can be easily unzipped if necessary? Donbass with a humiliated infrastructure and economy, the full restoration of which is still unknown how much will have to spend? A hotbed of Nazism in the center of Europe, which cannot be corroded with dichlorvos, and which has already spread by metastasis throughout Ukraine, the effect of which can not be eliminated, but only muffled, only by a high standard of living? And due to what ... or - whom?

Not! This is not called a victory! The United States simply withdrew from Ukraine, ridding itself of questions about the Boeing, all of the rights to which they had already explicitly bought. And although in Russia in the nineties it was called “buy a brick,” but now, so literally, it’s not worth perceiving what happened, because the United States has got rid of any responsibility for the future of Ukraine. They are no longer interested in whether people will freeze in the winter! They do not care at all that these people will soon have nowhere to work, which means there will be nothing to eat. And most importantly, there is always an answer to the question: what have you done, why, after your "caring attention" in the center of Europe, did a hole get worse than Somalia? “And we said the best, and you argued ... Well, we gave you a blank check and gave it - everything is in your hands, including responsibility! You see, we are doing everything to help, we allocate tens of millions of dollars for reforms and maintaining law and order, for establishing democracy, giving some appropriate technology ... What more do you want from us? ”

By the way, all the same that Russia received, got Europe! True, if this is a consolation ...

Here it is necessary to answer the second question: no! With the advantage in the information war that Americans have today, this is not called defeat! This is called “leave beautifully”, leaving all the conditions for a comfortable return!

It was in this particular confrontation that the United States suffered no losses! The information field, both in the States themselves and in Europe, let alone Ukraine, remains under their complete control. And this means that ordinary people there learn about real events exactly what they need to know - that, they say, they wanted ... did not work ... with barbarians and totalitarian regimes in general it is difficult, no matter how you instruct them on the path of goodness, justice and democracy ... well, maybe The winner of the Peace Prize went too far, and then, we will not choose him anymore, to you in consolation! .. And at the same time in Russia and in the zone of her alleged responsibility, a tremendous foundation was created in the form of forces with very serious potential and completely specifically motivated.

Therefore, if the Ukrainian crisis for the United States ended, as they clearly already believe, switching back to Syria, it did not end for Russia, by the way, serving in Syria is not as confident as before, and does not oppose the bombing of Syrian territories specious than before, a pretext! And without making hard decisions based not on emotions, but on common sense, and only through serious image losses (since all attempts to solve Ukrainian problems in a fundamental way will run into serious opposition, up to an extraordinary escalation of tension), Russia cannot do! That's precisely because it is not a victory, but only a positional success associated with a weakening of positions on other fronts, including even more important ones ... And, given the "hostile potential" created by us under our noses, success is sooooo temporary!

Do not relax !!!
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  1. Sensatus
    Sensatus 24 October 2014 09: 23
    +15
    It was in this particular confrontation that the United States did not suffer any losses!

    The author anneals!
    We suffered losses, and what more!
    It seems that they are not able to drag Russia into a large-scale war in Europe, which is needed in order to release steam of global economic tension. And this means that the likelihood of this pair releasing inside America is catastrophically (for America itself) increasing. And the pair there - little will not seem to anyone. Enough for a world war. Therefore, as if by this steam, the states themselves would not tear off the roof. I think that it will break completely.

    So the author underestimated about "not suffered losses".
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 24 October 2014 09: 26
      +11
      Oh, how far it is to victory, yet for this it will be necessary to put so much strength.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 24 October 2014 09: 56
        +16
        The main victory of the United States is that from the beautiful country of Ukraine they made hateful Russophobic zombies for decades to come.
        Actually, the Americans don’t need to do anything else, the generation of jumping youth will replace the moderate but burnt Russophobia. Who will be convinced that Russia starved them, occupied them and in general didn’t let them live.

        But the United States has not yet achieved its second goal:
        Reasonably send your troops to Ukraine. Under any pretext did not work. And why? Well, firstly, Russia did not send troops, and secondly, Putin visited Cuba and other countries of the southern American continent.

        But for the United States, for now, this is enough. The main thing for them is that in the foreseeable future it will not wander into the head of the Ukrainian elite to enter some kind of TS or EAEU.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 10: 17
      +4
      Until they recaptured the notorious five (??) billion dollars invested in the "development of democracy in Ukraine". By the way, we have not yet received the same five (with kopecks) yards of greenery from Ukraine on debts for OUR GAZ.
      So the author's analysis is all right. In this game, Washington ran away to a positional draw. But the match continues, and the total score is clearly not in our favor so far ...
      1. yehat
        yehat 24 October 2014 11: 48
        0
        I would say that in Ukraine there was a change of figures. The Russian Federation has acquired a very popular bridgehead - the Crimea, the United States and the EU - a country that is very harmful both to Russia and to Russianness in general. Time will tell the value of this exchange.
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 24 October 2014 14: 41
          +2
          Quote: yehat
          I would say that in Ukraine there was a change of figures. The Russian Federation has acquired a very popular bridgehead - the Crimea, the United States and the EU - a country that is very harmful both to Russia and to Russianness in general. Time will tell the value of this exchange.


          And I perceive this as our next loss.
          Yes, they just managed to tear off Crimea at the very last moment, but ... Judging on the scale of the 80s, how many zones of influence have we lost since those times? How many image, political, military and economic losses have we suffered during all this time? Even taking into account the constant "subsidies to friendly regimes" around the world, there was the prospect of gaining benefits from "friendship" with these regimes, at least for the future, no matter who said what.
          Ukraine is another loss. Why? I think it makes no sense to prove.
          And no matter how our media shouted about "grandiose changes" in our Russian policy, it must be admitted that the United States has fulfilled at least 50% of the tasks set by them. The remaining 50% was prevented by Vladimir Putin and his “hidden team”. Therefore, now the number one goal for the United States is PERSONAL PUTIN.
          Now the question is: what will happen to Russia if there is no Putin? And this is not idol worship. It just so happened in the history of our Russian civilization that without a "tsar" (a strong state personality) the territory of Russia always turned into chaos. There are a lot of examples. Of the latter: the February Revolution of 1917 and the Perestroika of the "marked" in 1985. At the crossroads of epochs I would like to compare V.V. Putin with P.A. Stolypin. Remember what changes took place after the "elimination" in 1911 of Pyotr Arkadyevich Stolypin and what he did for the country.
          1. AVAAR
            24 October 2014 16: 19
            -1
            That's right! Especially regarding the president! - http://moya-tochka-zreniya.blogspot.ru/2014/10/blog-post_22.html
    3. AVAAR
      24 October 2014 11: 43
      +1
      Lack of achievements is not a loss - IMHO!
      We can now fantasize a lot on the topic of how poor they felt worse ... well, if that comforts us, why not? In this context - I agree!
    4. Xanna
      Xanna 24 October 2014 12: 30
      +3
      Lack of gain is not a loss. Yes, it is vital for the Americans to drag Russia into the war, you can China, you can India, because all sorts of small Libya and Iraq there (even despite the oil) are not enough to keep the US economy from falling into the abyss for a long time. Whether it was the collapse of the USSR — it was fed, it was fed — it was almost enough for 10 years, and by 2001 Al Qaeda was needed.
      So they haven’t lost anything. They did a problem for us, but they themselves did not lose anything, except for the money spent on building democracy.
      And the fact that they refused to deal more with Ukraine means that they are coming up with a new way to cash in on the resources of the Russian Federation.
  2. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 24 October 2014 09: 23
    +6
    I have a friend who really does not like the phrase "when leaving, turn off the light." No, she has nothing against it, just her name is Sveta ...
    (joke)
  3. Serge Mikhas
    Serge Mikhas 24 October 2014 09: 24
    +10
    Why relax here. Thousands of Slavs die, senselessly killing each other. They left, how did ... They laid mines in our house, which are torn one by one, killing and injuring everyone indiscriminately ... Hiding and dancing quietly near our funeral bonfires, grinning and rubbing their bloody palms. The author of the article sums up a little frivolously some results ...
  4. boris117
    boris117 24 October 2014 09: 29
    +4
    This is the handwriting of the Americans. Shit and hide. Of course, they will leave Ukraine, ruined, broken, without a human idea, with fascist groups ready for anything, with brainwashed brainwashed by young people. For two generations of problems. A bleeding wound, the whole country. What Europe needs such ugliness.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 24 October 2014 10: 22
      +1
      After the Victory, Germany was quite quickly denazified. We can cope with Upyrina.
  5. Dilshat
    Dilshat 24 October 2014 09: 32
    +4
    break through! Not the first time.
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 24 October 2014 09: 47
      +5
      By the way, with us this means the same thing.
  6. kush62
    kush62 24 October 2014 09: 32
    +7
    Wanted: Came, saw, won.
    It turned out: Came, shit, rolled off.
  7. Serge56
    Serge56 24 October 2014 09: 33
    +2
    I'm sitting, smoking ...
    And suddenly ... I think - maybe quit smoking and hack off the whole world with nuke bombs and fall asleep with your beloved in bed, so that in the morning, waking up, stretching lazily (in the country), to watch how luxuriously outside the window - the sun breaks a bouquet of flowers on windowsill.
  8. Mercenary
    Mercenary 24 October 2014 09: 34
    +1
    Statement of facts with their own concepts ... Specifically, what do you offer? Take Kiev to search for evidence of a downed Boeing? Or the destruction of fleets and bases in the Middle East for the security of Syria?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 10: 27
      0
      Kiev must be occupied - to cleanse the Nazi bastard, but this is not a task for the Russian Federation, but for the army of NovoRussia; The Boeing evidence is no longer relevant, the train has left, the pies have cooled down. In Syria - to expand the supply of weapons to the Assad regime, possibly sending military "advisers". To intensify diplomatic efforts to form (at least temporarily) the Cairo-Damascus-Tehran alliance to counterbalance the mattress "coalition" of the Saudis, Israel and Iraq, where the states are also trying to involve Turkey.
      Something like that.
      1. yehat
        yehat 24 October 2014 11: 52
        +3
        Kiev occupy senseless and even harmful. Ukraine has been preparing for several years for partisan activity. It’s much more productive to leave it to ourselves; hunger and cold contribute to the growth of quick thinking. It is much more important to create and implement a unifying SIMPLE idea that will promote the advantages of belonging to the Russian world. Let the zombies treat themselves and occupy their cues themselves too. Well, build the South Stream.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 24 October 2014 12: 53
          +1
          Quote: yehat
          Well, build the South Stream.

          "No need to rush, yes!" - Is the EU opposed to the construction of the South Stream at the suggestion of the US?
          Let's wait and see how Europe and its "friend" Ukraine will spend the winter.
          And there you look, Europeans themselves will begin to draw a stream to Russia.
  9. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 October 2014 09: 35
    +2
    from the Don.
    Yes, no one has gone anywhere. Not for that, the Americans were scamming Nazism in Dill. Hidden, under .. you!
  10. SFIR
    SFIR 24 October 2014 09: 36
    +3
    It’s just that they did what they need, now to rake Russia.
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 24 October 2014 09: 38
    +1
    Well, I don’t know, the 5 billion greenbacks just officially thrown into the coup in Ukraine are not a loss, then what is the loss. This is not counting the Crimea, its shelf and other "minor" pleasures.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 October 2014 09: 41
    0
    And what is heard, and most importantly seen, from there today, fully and obviously personifies surrender by Obama of Ukraine.

    I would not be in a hurry with such conclusions. A. measures just do not surrender u. It’s too early for Russia to relax (though it doesn’t). You need to be prepared for the new, even more sophisticated dirty tricks that the United States will present with the hands of the U. Kropov. And the first is the upcoming offensive in the Donbass. A. Merov smolders the hope that now, perhaps, the militia will be defeated and Russia will finally come into direct conflict.
  13. Rohon
    Rohon 24 October 2014 09: 44
    0
    Comes back to the mattresses more than once, bummer they are already walking behind them ....... bully
  14. chaldon
    chaldon 24 October 2014 10: 04
    +3
    The United States fulfilled its task for all 100 - piled on the threshold of Russia a large pile of d..hma, which will stink and poison the atmosphere for many years to come. Like it or not, we will have to clean and tidy up all this and do it by diverting resources that could be directed to the development of the regions of Russia itself. If we talk about the victory of Russia, it is only in the sense that this heap could be much larger and fetid. Although - much more!
  15. Flinky
    Flinky 24 October 2014 10: 06
    +1
    Victory will only be when mainland North America has a wide strait. Between Mexico and Canada. Not earlier.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 10: 30
      0
      Too huge negative consequences on a planetary scale. As with the explosion of the Yellowstone.
  16. siberalt
    siberalt 24 October 2014 10: 08
    +1
    Obama has not gone anywhere. The mess was planned for 2015. Yes, Yanukovych suddenly "freaked out" and did not sign an agreement with Europe. Hastened to remove it - again a surprise! We got the Crimea and Donbass, which was not included in the plans. Then a "puncture" with a Boeing. It didn't go according to the script at all. They tried to drag Russia into a military conflict, again embarrassment. And then the propaganda began to falter, Europe held a meeting. They moved the arrows to Ebola and Syria, the ATO only became louder and the ukrov elections were under threat. From that and a complete stupor that everything is not according to plan. And then there will be a series of absurd mistakes and miscalculations to their detriment.
  17. DMB-75
    DMB-75 24 October 2014 10: 20
    +1
    ... yes, he let us down:
  18. Djubal
    Djubal 24 October 2014 10: 20
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    A. measures just do not surrender u.

    These people don’t have much choice ... by consuming more than they produce, you can only live if you rob someone all the time, and there’s no way anyone who could protect the weak can appear on the world stage, otherwise they will die. So even hot though cold it’s still a war of extermination
  19. captain
    captain 24 October 2014 10: 22
    +5
    I repeat; Russia has invested, according to Mr. Ulyukaev 200bn. dollars to Ukraine and received the Russophobic state, and the United States invested 5 billion dollars and received the most loyal ally. The question is, what did our ambassadors Chernomyrdin and Zurabov do in this country? Solve your issues or rest at the expense of the state? Why is our Foreign Ministry not engaged in our compatriots (not only Russian, but also other immigrants from Russia) abroad? Why does the USA have a sea of ​​all kinds of organizations that, under various pretexts, defend US interests? Do we have no such organizations? Why do our ambassadors report on their concerts (2-3 for the year), and not on working with diasporas? Why we do not have Russian cards, as in Poland, Hungary, why our compatriots do not return with the blood principle, as in Germany, but the devil knows by what principle. Why our compatriots, who comes back to us are settled, the devil knows where, as if they are breaking into us hundreds of thousands. I respect Lavrov and Churkin, but two people cannot replace everyone. Why the hell are we holding MGIMO? If graduates of this institution cannot organize work abroad, can they close this glove box organization and send graduates of ensign schools there? Ensigns at least not so whimsical.
  20. dmb
    dmb 24 October 2014 10: 28
    0
    What is pleasantly pleasing in recent days is the appearance on the site of articles with real attempts to assess the situation both in foreign and domestic policies pursued by the authorities. Unlike hysteria, which all reduce to the harmfulness of the American leaders and the unearthly wisdom of the Russian leaders, the author of this article is trying to understand what we have got ourselves into and what will happen next. At the same time, he is least of all (unlike our screamers) worried about the fate of America in general and Obama in particular. But the fate of Russia, as well as any normal not hurray, but just a patriot, clearly worries him. It is especially pleasant that he understands that Russia and Putin are not the same thing, and does not connect the well-being of the first people with the personal well-being of the second. This, in fact, speaks of the obvious difference between the author and the hysterical admirers of the "leader" and the sobriety of his reasoning.
  21. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 24 October 2014 10: 43
    +1
    I liked one aphorism - all that is hidden from us is the facts, all that is said and shown to us is propaganda. I proceed from this. Talking about our victory is still very early. The fact that the states are silent about Ukraine now does not mean anything. They are now trying to get us on other fronts. What do we have now in Syria? We do not condemn the bombing because the Syrian leader is still silent and refrains from harsh speeches. At least I haven’t heard anything like this recently. But ours are very actively establishing contacts with the Arab world. The statements of our politicians towards the states and Europe became harsh, I think that this means a change in our foreign policy and the victory of the patriots inside the country, which, in fact, is the main thing. Inside Russia, there is now a cold war between patriots and the opposition. Putin leaned on the side of the patriots, although before he tried to be in the middle. This is also evidenced by the fact that Medvedev is rapidly disappearing from television screens and also quickly burst into the screens of Ivanov, the head of the presidential administration. Putin begins to change the team. Isn’t that what we have been calling him all the last time? So this, I hope, is our victory, but only at this stage. Again, the business began to show signs of patriotism, the president is already promised in the near future to build 1000 new enterprises in Russia, you just need to try to keep these promises from being just promises.
    1. yehat
      yehat 24 October 2014 11: 57
      +1
      patriotism in our country is not something that has not won - he has not even begun to raise his head. He had just begun to wake up. request
  22. AVAAR
    24 October 2014 11: 15
    +1
    I tried to open the topic as I could!
    I understand that the USA has not left in the literal sense!
    In general, this situation, if presented in chronology and schematically, gives the following picture - the United States, gnawing at the Middle East quietly, as if they got it in the teeth - fell off. They turned sharply to Ukraine, they seemed to have gotten too tough, and literally leaving a heap of steaming shit in our yard, they began to eat Syria again!
  23. Alexander Volkov
    Alexander Volkov 24 October 2014 11: 20
    0
    To thinking.
    The interview is given by Igor Nikolaychuk, candidate of technical sciences, at the Center for Defense Studies of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISI).

    excerpt
    "
    - Which state leads in the number of negative publications addressed to us?
    - Germany, where one neutral publication of 70 is negative. Berlin is conducting a strategic information operation to restructure Russian-German relations from the format of a modernization partnership to a format of sharp confrontation.

    - What is the reason?
    - The understanding has matured in the country that it is time for it to become a great European power and revise the results of the Second World War in its favor. The establishment by Germany of political control over Ukraine (economic - a matter of technology) would mean a breakthrough in the national German being. "
    1. yehat
      yehat 24 October 2014 12: 02
      0
      I think that an employee of the institute is either ..., or a dib, or a deceiver.

      analyze the statistics of articles and ignore a series of scandals that clearly shows who the customer is, the top of incompetence !!!
      Finally, about Germany: Germany is not reviewing anything and is following only a slightly adjusted way of development of the Kaiserreich. She has no reason to confront the Russian Federation, but there is a reason for pressure to get economic benefits.
  24. AVAAR
    24 October 2014 11: 20
    +1
    Regarding the United States ... It just so happens that in the current raids on us on their part, we only react, defend ourselves! But we need to beat under our breath!
    And in principle, there is this very "breath", and as I see Putin is already beating there, only so far weakly! This is the financial system! While they are standing, do not dismiss the States! Here a comment slipped through that $ 5 billion is a lot. For me, yes! But for the one who prints them, it's just a roll of toilet paper !! It will be necessary, and Ukraine will receive more!
  25. AVAAR
    24 October 2014 11: 23
    0
    The question still sounded - what does the author suggest?
    If this concerns Ukraine, then there can only be one positive outcome for Russia and the Russian world - the war in the west of Ukraine! IMHO!
  26. Zolotse
    Zolotse 24 October 2014 11: 50
    0
    Quote: Flinky
    Victory will only be when mainland North America has a wide strait. Between Mexico and Canada. Not earlier.

    I would like to quickly. When the treasured volcano puffs a little in the United States
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 24 October 2014 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Zolotse
      Quote: Flinky
      Victory will only be when mainland North America has a wide strait. Between Mexico and Canada. Not earlier.

      I would like to quickly. When the treasured volcano puffs a little in the United States

      "Treasured Volcano" is that the next generation of Russian ICBMs?
  27. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 24 October 2014 12: 05
    +1
    The US has completed its immediate task.
    Brew porridge near our border. But it didn’t go to plan.

    Lost the Crimea, which was so hoped for.

    They dragged Europe into a confrontation with Russia. But not all. Germany became active, not Great Britain, as the United States hoped. France acts, but with caution. The rest of the henchmen only pull up, but can not do anything significant.

    It was not possible to drag Russia into a military conflict. NATO is out of work. But the main blow was to withstand the forces of European countries, and the United States was only far away.

    They invested billions, but received incompetent forces in Ukraine. They played a card of Ukrainian nationalism, and got real fascism, the delights of which Europe still remembers.

    The United States did not expect such a response to its actions from Asia and South America to its policies. Got a strong confrontation from Russia and China.

    Counting on the political and economic crisis in Russia, it did not work either.

    What to do now? Quit what you started?
    Not. They will continue to throw firewood into the smoldering fire in Ukraine, but firewood is becoming more raw every day. There will be a lot of smoke. Now switch to the fight against ISIS. It did not work from the east to get close to Russia, they would go from the south.

    They are Russia, like a bone in the throat. They feel the growing power of Russia and are afraid to lose their supremacy in the world. And China has grown out of short pants.

    Therefore, the United States can expect any action that will allow them to preserve a unipolar world.
    It is only a pity that Europe is following them.
  28. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 October 2014 12: 55
    +1
    America has tremendous opportunities and capacities not to engage in the world management of all this catavasia. America acts strategically and significantly distance itself from small things like Ukraine. It didn’t work in Syria with little blood, please created the devils that they are now calmly bombing Syria and can bomb Turkey and Iran with Iraq and no one will say a word. The turn will also reach Europe, where the Americans are controlled by Albanians and other Kosovars with Croats. At any moment, if Europe does not do what they say, it will wash itself with blood instantly. And for Russia, too, everything is ready inside, and this is shoving in the Ukraine, this is a minor and not particularly interesting episode for them, everything is according to plan, the Russians are at war with the Russians, Europe itself will cope with this.
  29. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 24 October 2014 13: 41
    0
    If the author of the article thought to surprise someone, then I think it will be difficult. The usual US approach to solving issues in any country in the world and in their own interests. Just like the usual drain and avoidance of responsibility. Well, and the usual humanitarian catastrophe and mess, after their (US) "help". The question is at the top. People who were shot by their former citizens will no longer identify themselves with them (Ukrainians) as citizens of one country. The same goes for their children. And Russia is growing and will grow little by little by those territories that were previously part of the Russian Empire, and then into the USSR.
  30. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 October 2014 18: 48
    0
    What is Russia interested in? Well, honestly ... only honestly! Then - in peace, tranquility and prosperity INSIDE Russia itself. And at the borders? The source of tension at the border is far from as terrible as it seems. For example, Russia will receive smart, peaceful and hard-working citizens who do not want to fight at all. Yes, a lot of different rubbish will leak along with them. Well, let's sort the rubbish, and good people - welcome!
    It is high time to understand the "independent states" around us, such as what the real thing of Turkmenistan is, how the world actually works. What happens when you start to twist obscene combinations in the direction of Russia, tenderly looking at the pretty USA. An explicit example is needed of what happens from such behavior. Our own ...
    In short, we get a lot of benefits from the Ukrainian civil war. Did the Soviet years not teach the writing fraternity that lying agitation causes the reader nausea, not happiness? Writer, I don’t believe you, you’ve stolen a method from the Suslov and you are rolling from her! I was tired of this even then. You are not talking to smart, strong, patriotic people. Your lies are for the mentally mournful. Why do I need your lies? What will I get useful from this water? Ugh ...
  31. SKY INSPECTOR
    SKY INSPECTOR 24 October 2014 21: 04
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    The main problem of the country is the mass of traitors and even just enemies in power. In the government, in ministries, in committees, in the State Duma, in the mass of "advisory bodies" and non-public organizations giving instructions to the government and the president what to do and how ... After all, the "Ukrainian" question could have been (and should have been) simply prevented ... What have the Russian authorities and Russian diplomats been doing for 23 years, observing how anti-Russian politics and ideology are carried out (systematically and systematically) in Ukraine?! ... How is not the first generation of youth growing up on Russophobic, extremely nationalist ideas growing up!?! .. Why wasn’t there an outreach counter-policy aimed at maintaining unity, fraternity and all-round cooperation between fraternal peoples?! ... Why is there no "pro-Russian" government in Kiev at all, as it should be according to any logic?! ... Why do the US neighbors - in Mexico - have a "pro-American" government, in Canada - a "pro-American" government ?! Colombia has a "pro-American" government, as in most Central American countries ... Yes, in principle, all of Western Europe is "pro-American" ... Don't you think this is strange? ... But nothing strange ... It's just that in the USA they know what NATIONAL INTERESTS are. And there the security services knowingly eat their bread ... Try some kind of politician in Canada to make statements like "The American of the United States - to the Gilyak!" ... They will quickly find him killed either in a "car accident", or falling out of the window of a skyscraper, or drowning in his own bathtub, or committing suicide by shooting himself in the back, etc. etc. There (in Canada) such politicians will not even get into power ... The same is in Mexico ... and in other countries strategically important for the USA ... The CIA, NSA and other US intelligence agencies are on guard of state and national interests! ... And we have???... What is the FSB, foreign intelligence service, GRU doing at all ??? ... Was it really impossible to bring YOUR PEOPLE into power in Ukraine ??? For 23 years ??? ... Was it really impossible to "remove" those who are against rapprochement with Russia, obvious Russophobes and CIA agents climbing into power (like Nalyvaichenko) ??? ... But Ukraine is an extremely important partner and ally for us (now potentially) ... After all, our people are there! ... How could it be supposed that they would become enemies ??? ... Well, how ??? ... What do special services do in general ??? ... Pants sit out and fight with the patriots of Russia? ... Yes, with their budget and with their capabilities, it would be possible (and should be) most of Europe to have "pro-Russian", and not just Ukraine! .. If we had brought YOUR people to power in Ukraine in the spring (you couldn’t bet only on one figure (Yanukovych), you should always have several figures (learn from the Americans)) there wouldn’t be a war in the South-East of Ukraine with all aggravating consequences like for Russia (sanctions, fact. inability to properly supply gas to Europe, curtailing economic relations with many partners, refugees, international tension, etc.), as for Ukraine (primarily people who cannot be returned, destroyed cities and towns, fact .the collapse of the country, the economy is on the verge of collapse ...), as well as for Europe (serious losses for the economies of the partner countries of Russia, production, financial, reputational ... (they have not departed from the previous crisis ...)). Only the United States benefits ... When, finally, we recognize our real interests and learn how to truly protect them ??? ... When the real patriots of their country, their people come to power in the country ??? ... How much can you retreat ??? ... They surrendered Iraq, surrendered Yugoslavia, surrendered Libya, Syria in the balance ... surrendered Ukraine ..., the war is already on the borders of Russia ... and Russia itself is restless ... What should happen so that people finally understand that there’s nowhere to retreat anymore?! ...
  32. Prager
    Prager 27 October 2014 15: 07
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    efficient article, thanks to the author, with pleasure I plus!