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“23 of the Year for Nothing Has Been Done”

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“23 of the Year for Nothing Has Been Done”“We must become, having entered into the legal field of Russia, the structure that will bring to power all the problems and aspirations of the people,” said the Deputy Speaker of the Crimean Parliament Remzi Ilyasov to the VIEW newspaper. He announced the creation of the Tatar movement, which, unlike the Majlis, will be aimed at cooperation with the authorities.

In Crimea, announced the creation of an interregional social movement of the Crimean Tatar people "Kyrym" (Crimea). As reported by the agency "Crimean news", The movement will work within the framework of Russian legislation and in cooperation with the authorities to solve the problems of the Tatars. The conference of the new movement is scheduled for mid-December in Simferopol.

We also recall that last week at a meeting with members of the Human Rights Council, Vladimir Putin promised that the authorities would “be in constant dialogue with the Crimean Tatars, except those who are members of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, are citizens of Ukraine. The Russian authorities cannot and should not have problems with the Crimean Tatars. ”
Vice-Speaker of the Crimea State Council Remzi Ilyasov told the VIEW newspaper to the relations with the leaders of the Majlis Mustafa Jamilyov and Refat Chubarov.

VIEW: Remzi Ilyasovich, your association has already managed to christen the "new Majlis." Do you expect a conflict with the "old" Majlis?

Remzi Ilyasov: We are not looking for this conflict. We made a decision for ourselves that the main thing in today's realities is to solve a complex of problems of our compatriots, the Crimean Tatars, and not to let ourselves be drawn into geopolitical clashes.

It is the decision of the kurultai that obliges us all to solve the problems of the Crimean Tatars. Just we carry out the decision of the kurultai, and not those individual members of the Mejlis who are ready to criticize us. Neither the Kurultai nor the Majlis is prohibited from entering any movement or party. From their side, we see the pursuit of their personal interests and ambitions. They took a definite position, which I do not consider constructive.

The decision of the kurultai (and this is the highest body of the Crimean Tatars) says that it is necessary to enter into power to solve the problems of the people. The second decision was to begin the political process of creating national-territorial autonomy in Crimea. And not a single word about loyalty to Ukraine was said.

In this regard, we have the ethical right to take such steps as are necessary to solve pressing problems, as well as the status of the people and this territory.

We immediately stated that we are not a substitute for the representative body, we believe that we need a constructive dialogue, which we have been trying to conduct since March, and we don’t disagree with the matter. We must become, having entered into the legal field of Russia, the structure that will bring to the power all the problems and aspirations of the people.

VIEW: Did you have personal differences with Dzhemilev or Chubarov against the background of creating a new structure?

R.I .: We have not talked with them for a long time and have not met - Mustafa-aga since the beginning of May, and with Chubarov - since June. I do not comment on their statements. So far, he has not seen any insulting attacks against himself either.

VIEW: The head of Crimea Sergey Aksenov and State Council Speaker Vladimir Konstantinov promised the Crimean Tatars more than 10 billion rubles in early September. for repatriates settling down to 2020 year. Do you trust these promises?

R.I .: We have already given the relevant instructions for the presentation. There, however, there are no specific concrete layouts, what exactly will we have in this regard - social, economic, and cultural.
We must show it and tell all the people together with the authorities. It will be some kind of guarantee that the authorities will not give up their words later.

And the second - not only bread is full of people. There are problems that are not related to the means - political and legal ones, which also need attention. This is the development of the language and schools with such teaching, the maintenance of our national traditions, which is also very important.

VIEW: What level of support do you expect?

R.I .: The Mejlis supports the 70 – 80 percentages of the entire nation. That is, such a percentage considers that the Majlis is a representative body of the Crimean Tatars. And I still formally considered a member of the Majlis. Our task is to justify such people's trust.

Patriotism has grown, and today people respect our position. But the actions of the Mejlis today cause many complaints to people. If you take any specific actions, then some of them are supported by just no more than 30 percent. But it is not necessary to consider percentages, but remember that this is your homeland, your people and your Crimea.

I live in Crimea and am not going to go anywhere, I have taken Russian citizenship and in another case I cannot assist in solving the urgent problems of my people. These are the realities. We have to be here, live on our land and do everything we can to ensure that life for both the Crimea and the Crimeans improves.

23 of the year for us, with a few exceptions, did nothing, and I'm not going to blame the people of Ukraine for this - I'm talking about the actions of the rulers, who dullly led the state. Therefore, they were in such a situation. As a result, today we see something from which it becomes scary.

And Russia is a peculiar country, it has its own rules, but we must accept the situation in reality. And we in the Crimea are one of the largest ethnic groups, which did not allow blood to be shed here.
VIEW: By what principles in general you will select people in your organization?

R.I .: The full name will be the Russian regional public movement of the Crimean Tatar people "Kyrym". It does not replace the representative body of the people, the kurultai Majlis, but is formed according to a different principle, according to the principle of delegation from the districts that we define. According to the quota principle, they nominate their representatives to the constituent congress of the movement. This Friday we will gather to approve them.

We will pay special attention to the Crimea, because almost 260 thousands of Crimean Tatars live here. There will be more 9 subjects in the organization, we will determine how many delegates they will present to the upcoming congress. These are Sevastopol, Krasnodar Territory, Bashkortostan, Tatarstan, Rostov-on-Don, Samara, Moscow, Moscow Region and St. Petersburg.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 23 October 2014 18: 58
    +18
    Smart people do not fight, but always prefer to agree peacefully on mutually beneficial conditions
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 23 October 2014 19: 05
      +36
      There are no agreements with the Crimean Tatars. You live in Crimea, a Russian and a point. Enough of these ethnic organizations. Why should the government solve their problems? Decide for yourself.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 23 October 2014 19: 40
        +4
        And they want to solve their problems themselves, but with weapons in their hands. Let's not bother them? They decide for themselves.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 23 October 2014 21: 59
          -2
          but with arms in hand.

          Who prevents us from accusing them of terrorism, ala Khokhlostan?
      2. Blondy
        Blondy 23 October 2014 22: 34
        +2
        Well, actually the Majlis, I quote:
        Majlis (Arabic. مجلس - majlis, literally "place of assembly") is the proper name of the legislative-representative body (parliament) of a number of countries (Iran, Azerbaijan), peoples (Mejlis of Crimean Tatars).
        And the RF Constitution does not provide for anything and is not authorized by anything.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 23 October 2014 19: 33
      +15
      Consent between all peoples in Crimea is the key to its prosperity, only enemies can dream otherwise.
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    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 23 October 2014 19: 50
      +16
      you know what I’ll tell you - public organizations of the Tatars are a very big hemorrhoid, if not now then later how to drink
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 11
        0
        and ignoring the national question, especially among Muslim peoples, is a direct green semaphore for the introduction of Islamic fundamentalism in Russia. Do you need it?
    5. Denis fj
      Denis fj 23 October 2014 22: 29
      +6
      Until the Crimean Tatars themselves publicly condemn the centuries-old slave trade of Russian people in Crimea, confidence in them will be small. Because when they talk about the culture and economy of the Crimean Tatar people, it is immediately recalled that for every inhabitant of the Crimean Khanate there was one slave. Who made this economy and provided this culture. Self-respect must be earned, and not calls for tolerance, ..
      1. Dilshat
        Dilshat 24 October 2014 01: 24
        +1
        1. I agree with the recognition of the centuries-old slave trade by the Russian people in Crimea. Let the recognition prove loyalty. 2. Remember in Pikul's Favorite Catherine 2 a trip to the Crimea with foreigners. Foreigners in shock — The Empress is guarded by the Crimean Tatars who were recently annexed on a trip across the Crimea. Catherine the Great was a good psychologist. 2. In the Great Patriotic War, the Tatars were mostly on the side of the Germans. It is necessary to make new history textbooks extremely honest. So that everything about the Kyrgyz Tatars and Chechens was described, about how they offended the Russian people and then for some reason ended up as part of Russia as a province, which is not scary and happens to everyone who offends Russia.
        1. Dilshat
          Dilshat 24 October 2014 01: 35
          +1
          1. It is also worthwhile to deal with ethnonins: Tatars, Mongol-Tatars, Bulgars. Why among the Mongol-Tatar khans are not only Mongolian, but only Turkic origin names.
          Who are Tatars and Mongol-Tatars and who are Bulgars?
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 28
            0
            Tatars - from the Greek "Tartarus" and "Tartaria". Allegedly "wild" nomadic tribes who lived northeast of the Black Sea region (which the Greeks considered Tartary). It is clear that this is not a designation of any nationality or people, but simply a historical misunderstanding - designation of a large group of Turkic-speaking peoples and nationalities. Mongol-Tatars are also not the name of an ethnos, Russia was attacked by the Mongol Empire (Horde), which had previously enslaved the so-called. "Tatars" and therefore called by the Russians as "Mongol-Tatars". Bulgars (Volga-Kama) are one of the Turkic (steppe) peoples who settled in the territories of the modern Volga-Kama region and created their own state ("Volga Bulgaria"). Which was captured by the Mongol Horde in 1238 (two years before Russia). And naturally, the Bulgars, like the rest of the peoples enslaved by the Horde, were obliged to supply equestrian soldiers to the horde's army and also became "Tatar-Mongols" from the point of view of the Russians.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 16
        0
        Then Mongolia must be rotted to the end of the centuries for Genghis Khan. And shame on you to write this?
  2. vodolaz
    vodolaz 23 October 2014 19: 01
    +14
    So the Majlis did just that, which provided the elite and those close to it, and it was convenient for the Ukrainian authorities to have a constant focus of tension. Dzhemilev generally need to be planted for what he did.
  3. Bronik
    Bronik 23 October 2014 19: 02
    +17
    Tatarstan, as part of Russia, is feeling fine, even though the Krymaks are getting used to it. We have a large family, we will live together.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 30
      0
      The World Congress of Tatars (Milli Majlis) also operates in Tatarstan, so do not blame Tatarstan.
  4. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 23 October 2014 19: 02
    +8
    I am sure that so calmly, consistently and without hysteria, the Crimean Tatars are integrating into the Russian community.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 31
      0
      And the goal of national public organizations is to help and facilitate this process.
  5. Finches
    Finches 23 October 2014 19: 03
    +47
    The most powerless people in Russia, as it is not strange-Russian! We have no associations, no Mejlises, no republics ... We just have it! The titular nation seems to be, but no privileges, if the competition is Ukrainian, Tatar, Jew, Chukchi ..., it has preferences, they say a small ethnic group!
    I am not a nationalist, but simply stating the fact that all other nationalities whine then ???
    We live in one house and do one thing!
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 23 October 2014 19: 31
      +8
      Quote: Finches
      We live in one house and do one thing!

      That’s just the key phrase. Enough of the national intermarriages !! It’s time to introduce the concept that Russia has one nationality: Citizen R.F.
      1. Finches
        Finches 23 October 2014 21: 04
        +2
        Absolutely true! Stop expelling, as they say, who pisses on the wall above!
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 39
          0
          I do not agree - "different songs are important, different songs are needed." One cannot approach the national question in such a simplistic manner. This is a direct path to the collapse of Russia as a multinational state.
      2. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 23 October 2014 21: 51
        +7
        Quote: Allex28
        It's time to introduce the concept that Russia has one nationality: Citizen R.F.

        It's time to introduce one concept, Citizen!
        Nationality is a factor of belonging to a group of people, but not to the statehood that is played out like the Jokers.
        But it is necessary to consolidate that the Russians, this is a fundamental group of the State, and other groups, have no less rights, but including no less duties.
        As they say to each according to his deeds, to each according to his abilities.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 23 October 2014 21: 57
          0
          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          But it’s necessary to consolidate that the Russians are a fundamental group of the State,

          And things are still there !!! Everything is back to square one.
          1. Oleg Sobol
            Oleg Sobol 23 October 2014 22: 31
            0
            Quote: Allex28
            And nothing has changed!!

            And the charioteers, although they change, but they all feed from one circle of the stall ... It is difficult for one leader, ... there are few of their chariots.
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 45
            0
            And try to imagine the situation in 200-300 years, when 45% of Russians and 55% of Kazakhs will be in the national composition? Who then will have to be called
            Quote: Allex28
            Founding Group of the State,
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 42
          0
          Our state (according to the Constitution) is called the "Russian Federation", not "Great Russia" (as you might wish). Let us proceed from these realities, as well as having the multinational character of Our State with you.
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 37
        0
        Until there is general assimilation, nations and nationalities will exist. And the so-called. "the national question". Do not create the illusion that it can be easily closed like this by a directive-order.
    2. Sibom
      Sibom 23 October 2014 19: 35
      +4
      Crimean Tatars "BORZEYUT", give them autonomy in the autonomy, want to "FAT" at the expense of the Russian poor. Let them go to Tatarstan, there is autonomy, otherwise they came in large numbers to the Crimea, it is not known where. I remember the chronicle of 80, how they smashed the town hall in Simferopol. IN GENERAL, it is necessary to CHECK EVERYONE, WHERE THESE "MOVEDITS" COME FROM!
      1. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 23 October 2014 21: 04
        +4
        Agree. There is no word here about supporting Russia. Only give freedom of money, time will pass, they will get stronger and require separation. In words, there is more respect for Jamil than for us. Somewhere even hopelessness creeps in. They say we need to take more in this situation without taking part in anything from the life of our country.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 59
          0
          Do you want to make Russia a "prison of peoples" (V. Ulyanov's term)?
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 57
        0
        You are mistaken, dear! The Republic of Tatarstan (RT) is not an "autonomy", but a sovereign state with its own Constitution, which became a subject of the Russian Federation on the basis of the 1994 Treaty on the delegation of powers and delimitation of jurisdiction.
        The question of the presence of "internal" national-territorial autonomy within the constituent entity of the Russian Federation is indeed a problematic one, and at the moment it has not been resolved by constitutional law and practice of state building. But this does not in any way interfere with the creation, development and solution of issues of national and cultural autonomy, which are already described and guaranteed by law. And if everything moves in this direction and develops well and remarkably, then the demand for separate territorial autonomy for the Crimean Tatar people may lose its urgency and urgency.
        As for the "RIDE" - then let us introduce serfdom, the assignment of the peasants to the land, and the workers and engineers - to the factories and plants. Then we select the passports. And that's all - no one and nowhere to "RIDE" will not be able to. But what about the freedom of movement of people, services and capital (EAEU)?
    3. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2014 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      The most powerless people in Russia, as it is not strange-Russian! We have no associations, no Mejlises, no republics ... We just have it! The titular nation seems to be, but no privileges, if the competition is Ukrainian, Tatar, Jew, Chukchi ..., it has preferences, they say a small ethnic group!

      Exactly so! Even in the title, the Russian Federation and not the Russian Federation. There would be no offense to anyone! There is no such humiliation anywhere! No French, Germanosian, Chinese
      koy! As a result, when they talk about achievements, these are RUSSIAN achievements, and as disadvantages, it is RUSSIAN drunkenness, food ... corruption. , and a bunch: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th ... Who is Russia, there is none ...
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 23 October 2014 20: 43
        +5
        Quote: zennon
        .Who freed the geyropu-Ukrainian and Belorussian fronts, with a bunch: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th ... Who is Russia, there is none ...

        Well, that’s already been enough for you ... After all, you yourself know very well that the fronts were not called nats. sign, and in direction.
        1. officer29
          officer29 23 October 2014 21: 24
          +4
          Quote: Allex28
          fronts were called not by nat. sign, and in direction.

          Unfortunately, in Europe, the names of fronts are associated with states ... request After all, Belgrade rebuked why Putin was at the parade, because the Ukrainian Front was liberating! ... fool Now they don’t go deep into history, they jump at the tops, get carried away with all kinds of names. Sometimes we don’t even think that the Queen of France Anna of Austria is actually a SPANISH by origin!
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 23 October 2014 21: 33
            +1
            Quote: officer29
            After all, Belgrade rebuked why Putin was at the parade, because the Ukrainian Front was liberating! ...

            I somehow missed this pearl. Now I’ll google it.
            what
            1. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 04
              0
              The state ambassador to Serbia said that Serb partisans and the 3rd Ukrainian army participated in the liberation of Belgrade. Therefore, he had a question - "what did Putin actually forget, and why Potroshenko was not invited?"
          2. Aleks28
            Aleks28 23 October 2014 22: 52
            0
            Quote: officer29
            After all, Belgrade rebuked why Putin was at the parade, because the Ukrainian Front was liberating! ...

            I didn’t find anything. Maybe you’ll throw a material.
            1. zennon
              zennon 23 October 2014 23: 06
              +1
              Quote: Allex28
              Quote: officer29
              After all, Belgrade rebuked why Putin was at the parade, because the Ukrainian Front was liberating! ...

              I didn’t find anything. Maybe you’ll throw a material.

              Here's a curiosity:
              http://inosmi.ru/world/20140919/223109148.html
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 23 October 2014 23: 21
                +1
                Quote: zennon
                Here's a curiosity:

                And thank you! hi And we are still surprised at all the hounds ... wassat laughing Here the ambassadors urinate ... request
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          3. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 02
            0
            Do not be like stupid and poorly educated mattresses (who do not know the difference between the army and the front)
        2. zennon
          zennon 23 October 2014 22: 40
          +1
          Quote: Allex28
          Well, that’s already been enough for you ... After all, you yourself know very well that the fronts were not called nats. sign, and in direction.

          It was not me who was enough, but the "enlightened" geyropa, but Svidomo's outskirts. I don't know the history badly, and I have studied the latest Russia carefully. victory is not the soldiers, but the media. However, if in doubt, chat with the audience in the mattress "Saving Private Ryan". You will discover a lot of new and interesting things.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 23 October 2014 22: 50
            +2
            Quote: zennon
            However, if in doubt, chat with the audience "Saving Private Ryan" in the mattress. You will discover a lot of new and interesting things.

            I have regular conversations with them. So, there’s nothing to surprise me with. I can only say: Slowly, Slowly!, A shift begins. In Geyropakh, people begin to think, and not stupidly believe in corrupt media.
            1. zennon
              zennon 23 October 2014 22: 57
              +2
              Quote: Allex28
              So far, isolated cases, but the trend is noticeable.

              Well, you see! Besides, in the geyropa, the people 70 years ago grabbed grief at the very least. They did not have grief. And this is a great teacher!
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 23 October 2014 23: 02
                0
                Quote: zennon
                , I love Germans. Seriously. I often communicate. They know quite a bit and they are cool about their media.

                You talk with young people. Brains are washed away ... The case is clinical. Yes, they don’t want to know anything. The new generation.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 23 October 2014 23: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Allex28

                  You talk with young people. Brains are washed away ... The case is clinical. Yes, they don’t want to know anything. The new generation.

                  Excuse me, Alexander, but here you are contradicting yourself.
                  Slowly, Slowly!, A shift begins. In Geyropakh, people begin to think, and not stupidly believe in corrupt media. So far, isolated cases, but the trend is noticeable.
                  1. Aleks28
                    Aleks28 23 October 2014 23: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: zennon
                    Excuse me, Alexander, but here you are contradicting yourself.

                    Not any contradiction. Older people begin to enter the topic, and the young will stretch after him. It's not for nothing that I singled out the word "QUIET".
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 07
            0
            What do you want from poor mattress makers, if they are either not taught history at all in schools, or taught in the spirit that "the Second World War was won by the USA and Great Britain, and they won the totalitarian regimes of Japan, Germany and Russia"
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 00
        0
        "sick national pride of the Great Russia"
    4. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 14: 35
      0
      They are afraid of losing their national identity, because at the everyday level, a natural "Russification" takes place by itself. It is necessary to preserve cultural wealth and provide development opportunities for ALL nationalities and peoples of Russia, all confessions. Otherwise, it's a disaster.
  6. Yuri-Alekseevich
    Yuri-Alekseevich 23 October 2014 19: 07
    +7
    The Crimean peninsula is located in a very necessary strategic place for Russia. In this Crimea, the vats were very lucky, unlike the rest of Ukraine.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 23 October 2014 19: 27
      +4
      Quote: Yuri-Alekseevich
      The Crimean peninsula is located in a very necessary strategic place for Russia. In this Crimea, the vats were very lucky, unlike the rest of Ukraine.

      Let's live in peace! drinks
  7. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 October 2014 19: 17
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    The most powerless people in Russia, as it is not strange-Russian!

    That is why the most bakery place, the Russian city of Nerezinovsk, is unexpected. What does he produce, except for officials of various kinds and various ministries without an account? I'm about Moscow, if that.
    1. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2014 20: 06
      +4
      Quote: everest2014
      What does he produce, except for officials of various kinds and various ministries without an account?

      Moscow is a major center of mechanical engineering, including power engineering, machine tool, shipbuilding, instrument making; ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy (production of aluminum alloys, non-ferrous rolled and casting), chemical, light, printing industry. Industrial production in Moscow grew by 2007% in 11,5. The city has a strong scientific and technological base for the production of optical and radio-electronic devices, aviation and space equipment, and high-precision mechanical devices.
      Moscow is the country's largest engineering center, it designs a significant part of Russian products (especially aviation, space, nuclear and weapons), develops technology for its manufacture, studies materials. And of course, Moscow is the country's largest educational center and one of the largest scientific, technical, educational and cultural centers of the world. Only the blind can not see this. You, by the hour, are not called Basilio?
    2. Normal
      Normal 24 October 2014 00: 03
      +2
      Quote: everest2014
      I'm about Moscow, if that


      And Mark Lisyansky, Sergey Agranyan, Isaac Dunaevsky is also about Moscow, if that



      And Lermontov, if that

      "Guys! Isn't Moscow behind us?
      Die near Moscow,
      How our brothers were dying! ”

      And political instructor Klochkov

      “Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat — Moscow is behind!”


      Everyone sees his own and you him - not equal.
  8. lexx2038
    lexx2038 23 October 2014 19: 24
    +19
    A moot point. It turns out that in due time they were punished unfairly? Most of these Tatars fought for the Wehrmacht, or not? Lied? Then for every rapist after prison - a decent amount of rehabilitation, but what, but what about double standards? Stalin acted humanely, simply overpowered the people, and had the right to shoot almost 90% of the male population, and half of the female, from the stories of ordinary protesters - that it’s not a dwelling, so a cache with weapons and with a loot. And the nation would disappear. So no, they were forgiven, allowed to start life from scratch in a new place, it is difficult, but for whom it was easy, Leningrad, where only the foundations instead of houses remained with depleted leftovers? Duc no, recovered, again fluffed tails, well, no matter how they do not want to live, work peacefully, they require some privileges .... I don’t understand.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 13
      0
      It may be fair, but not JUSTICE. For a crime it is necessary to judge and punish a specific guilty person, and not the people (even if it is "almost 90% male and half female"). Then the question of" rehabilitation of repressed peoples "would not have arisen.
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 October 2014 19: 27
    +6
    And we in Crimea are one of the largest ethnic groups, which did not allow blood to spill here.

    In general, it is more correct to say - they tried to shed blood, but they were not allowed. Well, the "largest ethnic group" of 12 percent of the population is five, the Uryu and Ukrainian slaves are not people. Oh, there will be many more problems from these "masters of life".
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 17
      0
      Everyone hears "to the extent of his depravity." It says "one FROM". And you understand - as you wrote. The State Department may be pleased - "the user of" Chunga-Changa "spilled his glass on our mill." Fanning interethnic strife is to work in the interests of our opponents. Do you disagree?
  10. Baloo
    Baloo 23 October 2014 19: 36
    +3
    I have a question for Remzi Ilyasov: Mr. Svinidze complained to Putin that Tatars are disappearing in Crimea, they are being kidnapped by unknown persons. What does R. Ilyasov think about this? And these "disappearances" can not be connected with the events in Syria and Iraq? Were the "disappeared" in some way connected with terrorist organizations banned in the Russian Federation?
    Svinidze is a liberalist and demagogue. In this case, it was a provocation. For tinsel of empty words, he tried to accuse the law enforcement agencies of the Crimea of ​​illegal activities. I have such an impression. In any case, there should be clarity and publicity in this matter.
  11. Abbra
    Abbra 23 October 2014 19: 43
    +3
    We'll figure it out ... You can also understand them: one attack, then another adventure. Deportation, return, collapse of the USSR, entrance to Ukraine, return to Russia. And all for sixty years. We have a large family, there is a warm and decent corner for everyone.
  12. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 23 October 2014 19: 45
    +2
    Everyone should be equal in rights and duties, and the LAW should be the same for everyone. For separatism, extremism, inciting ethnic hatred, discord, punish mercilessly! Then order will be in the vastness of one-sixth of the land! Enough, fight! -It's time to create! Otherwise, "the khan will come to everyone."
  13. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 23 October 2014 19: 55
    +3
    Taurica (Tavrida, Tauria) - the ancient name of the Crimea.

    Tauride province - an administrative-territorial unit of the Russian Empire and the RSFSR. The province existed from 8 (20) October 1802 year to 18 October 1921 year.

    The Soviet Socialist Republic of Taurida (also known as the Tauride Soviet Socialist Republic) is the Soviet Republic within the RSFSR, proclaimed in Crimea on 19 on March 1918 of the year.
    1. morprepud
      morprepud 23 October 2014 20: 17
      +3
      Andriuha077 (1) ...
      Andryukha, you are ahead of me. I just wanted to remind Zhirinovsky's brilliant idea on the topic "remove all the official republics and autonomies ... and restore the provinces!" Nationalities, ethnic groups, etc. let them live and multiply. That is why Russia is strong because of its multinationality, but not any "unions", and even "orange natsyks or overgrown madzhakhets" are not far off!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 27
        0
        I am compelled to remind you once again that the national issue DOES NOT BE SOLVED by a simple directive (to write all the subjects of the Russian Federation as "provinces" and only business). Do you want the collapse of Russia? Then enter "provinces".
  14. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 October 2014 20: 22
    +2
    Quote: zennon
    Moscow is a major center of mechanical engineering, including power engineering, machine tool, ship, instrument making; ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy (production of aluminum alloys, non-ferrous rolled and casting), chemical, light, printing industry.

    - "Moskvich" is a now defunct Moscow automobile plant. Produced cars of the KIM and Moskvich brands. All these smelters in Moscow time? May I have addresses? And, light industry is the Moskvichka sewing factory? It was bought by MDM-Bank and obviously not for sewing clothes. What other shipbuilding? Nuclear ships mold? More facts of dead factories to dig up? Maybe let's talk about the Scientific Skolkovo? Apparently he is in charge of all these scientific breakthroughs? Or Moscow City? And I can pull quotes from someone's presentation, they will also praise my beloved Zazhopinsk.
    1. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2014 22: 05
      +1
      Quote: everest2014
      May I have the addresses?

      It is possible. On the Moskvich I was three days ago. There Renault is being produced. In Khimki, and this is Moscow, there is Energomash. Rocket engines.
      The largest industrial enterprises and plants in Moscow

      • Moscow Oil Refinery - Moscow Oil Refinery
      • Hammer and Sickle, MMZ, OJSC - Moscow Metallurgical Plant
      • Electrozavod - production of electric transformers and reactors;
      • Moscow Plant Electroshield - production of electrical switchgears;
      • Likhachev Plant (ZIL) - production of trucks;
      • Avtoframos - Renault car assembly plant;
      • Moscow Tire Plant - a leading tire manufacturer in Russia;
      • Concern Almaz-Antey, OJSC - development and production of weapons;
      • Salyut, FSUE - production of aircraft engines;
      • Tushino Engineering Plant - aircraft manufacturing enterprises.
      Wipe your glasses, Basilio!
      1. Normal
        Normal 23 October 2014 22: 16
        +1
        Quote: zennon
        Can.

        Andrey, don’t disappoint the Russians who hate Moscow so much. For them, Moscow is a haven for hipsters and managers, and you are tearing a template for them. laughing How can s? belay

        PS
        True ZIL can be deleted from the list. Unfortunately...
        1. Massik
          Massik 23 October 2014 22: 23
          +2
          Well ..ssss soldiers from Moscow recently received some kind of abnormal 2/3, they say quickly and often it is not clear, manual labor comes very, very slowly, you almost have to learn to use a shovel. I hope we’ll have a break, maybe we got these.
          1. Normal
            Normal 23 October 2014 22: 31
            +2
            Quote: Marssik
            Well ..ssss soldiers from Moscow

            You are absolutely right. A soldier from Moscow ... rarely deserves a good word. It is what it is. But soldiers from Peter are no better. It’s just that Peter is not the capital and the attitude towards his natives is different.
        2. zennon
          zennon 23 October 2014 22: 28
          +1
          Hello Vladimir. I understand that people are intellectually different, but I’m not losing hope! An idealist probably.
          Quote: Normal
          True ZIL can be deleted from the list. Unfortunately...

          You can not:
          Net profit of 2769,4 million rubles. (year 2013)

          He was the other day. And my client lives in Kolomenskoye, across the Moscow River from ZIL. He worked there for 30 years. He told me quite a bit. Part of the territory is being rebuilt. Business center, etc. But the rest works.
        3. DRA-88
          DRA-88 23 October 2014 22: 41
          +4
          Quote: Normal
          Andrey, don’t disappoint the Russians who hate Moscow so much. For them, Moscow is a haven for hipsters and managers, and you are tearing a template for them. How can s?

          Vladimir, I welcome you!
          Agree that Moscow is not the one today ... Not the one behind Us ..., another ..., a stranger ..., fat ..., reeked of shawarma, with obvious Asian features and a non-Russian accent, rude and hungry and at the same time richly painted, powdered, with traces of plastic surgery and not real ...
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 23 October 2014 22: 48
            +2
            Quote: DRA-88
            Agree that Moscow is not the same ....


            I agree! good Muscovites spoiled the housing issue! am
            1. Normal
              Normal 23 October 2014 23: 27
              +3
              Quote: studentmati
              Muscovites spoiled the housing issue!


              And not Muscovites spoil the envy and hatred of the capital of their country.
              Moscow will live without capital functions. St. Petersburg was a major source of RI, but Moscow did not die of it.
              We will somehow manage, Moscow is the LARGEST transport hub in the country.
              But I will not envy the residents of any city in Russia that has taken over the capital's functions.
              Try it - you will find out how "sweet" it is
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 36
                +3
                Quote: Normal
                And not Muscovites spoil the envy and hatred of the capital of their country.

                Vladimir, count it up, they accepted me as pioneers in the Red Square, I didn’t take off my tie for a week, slept with him.
                And I went to the Capital as a holiday, just like a cultural center, and there was greatness and awe! But Gorbachev justified everything ...
                The whole country looks at you Muscovites with hope, when you throw off the whole riffraff, and we will support do not hesitate! yes
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 23 October 2014 23: 38
                +2
                Quote: Normal
                And not Muscovites spoil the envy and hatred of the capital of their country.
                Moscow will live without capital functions. St. Petersburg was a major source of RI, but Moscow did not die of it.
                We will somehow manage, Moscow is the LARGEST transport hub in the country.
                But I will not envy the residents of any city in Russia that has taken over the capital's functions.
                Try it - you will find out how "sweet" it is


                Volodya, believe me, the classic is right !!! good there are a lot of claims, but: "read Bulgakov."
            2. DRA-88
              DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 30
              +1
              Quote: studentmati
              Muscovites spoiled the housing issue!

              Hi Sasha!
              Bulgakov was right !!! and this scene with the disappearance of things ..., hehe, nothing changes! laughing
              1. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 51
                0
                and naked witches on brooms fly
          2. zennon
            zennon 23 October 2014 22: 51
            +2
            Quote: DRA-88
            Agree that Moscow is not the one today ... Not the one behind Us ..., another ..., a stranger ..., fat ..., reeked of shawarma, with obvious Asian features and a non-Russian accent, rude and hungry and at the same time richly painted, powdered, with traces of plastic surgery and not real ...

            Sorry to wedge in. I completely unfortunately agree with you. I will subscribe to every word. But still, normal, hard-working people live in this shit. I’ve been living for 10 years, I know.
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 02
              +2
              Quote: zennon
              But all the same, normal, hard-working people live among this shit. 10 years I live, I know.

              and it’s true, but now it’s only an exception that confirms the rule .. yes
            2. studentmati
              studentmati 23 October 2014 23: 12
              +3
              Quote: zennon
              in the midst of this shit are normal, hard-working people.


              Moscow rests on you, if you drip deeper! drinks
              1. zennon
                zennon 23 October 2014 23: 16
                +1
                Quote: studentmati
                Moscow rests on you, if you drip deeper! drinks

                hi drinks
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          3. Normal
            Normal 23 October 2014 23: 17
            +2
            Quote: DRA-88
            Vladimir, I welcome you!

            Vladlen, likewise!

            Quote: DRA-88
            Agree that Moscow is not the one today ... Not the one behind Us ..., another ..., a stranger ..., fat ..., reeked of shawarma, with obvious Asian features and a non-Russian accent, rude and hungry and at the same time richly painted, powdered, with traces of plastic surgery and not real ...

            Yes! I agree! But what it is. There is no other.

            I love this city of elm.
            Let him be flabby and let him grow old.
            Golden, drowsy Asia slept on the domes ...

            Yesenin.
            A simple Russian poet from a village in the Ryazan province, and he loved Moscow, not like the current ... Russians.

            By the way, who is the current mayor of the capital by nationality and place of birth?
            And by the way, who made the decision about the big, New Moscow? Muscovites?
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 50
              +2
              Quote: Normal
              By the way, who is the current mayor of the capital by nationality and place of birth?
              And by the way, who made the decision about the big, New Moscow? Muscovites?

              Vladimir, solely out of Respect for you, I will write Moscow with a capital letter and without mockery!
              PS There was a sin, I apologize, but the sword does not cut the guilty head! drinks
              For friendship!
              1. Normal
                Normal 24 October 2014 00: 13
                +1
                Quote: DRA-88
                For friendship!


                We are for Peace, for Friendship ...
                For the cordiality of the meetings!
                drinks
        4. Zuborez
          Zuborez 24 October 2014 11: 19
          0
          Quote: Normal
          True ZIL can be deleted from the list. Unfortunately...

          And TMZ, which has gone from Buran to rattles for Russian Railways. am
    2. Normal
      Normal 23 October 2014 22: 24
      +3
      Quote: everest2014
      More facts dig dead plants? Maybe talk about Skolkovo scientific? Is he apparently in charge of all these scientific breakthroughs?

      Dig out, if you get this high. At the same time, thanks to whose wise policies, these enterprises close
      Also, find out which cities in Russia come from (hint: this is not Moscow) these "effective" managers. What city produces top officials in Russia?
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 24 October 2014 00: 41
        +3
        Quote: Normal
        Which city produces the highest officials in Russia?

        Vladimir, read what I wrote 1,5 years ago

        And the last drop fell, and the faceted glass of patience poured on the 20 year, overflowing with the mountain, was spilled. And sweaty, gloomy, tastelessly dressed people went out into the streets and went to speak with the authorities. On the way they killed the policemen, took weapons in the regional departments, and whoever didn’t have enough, he took the weapons in the nearest hunting store. Nobody shouted, but everyone went quickly, with the aim was the main room where he was sitting.
        He, this is the one whom they believed and loved, with whom they pinned their hopes and trusted, who were forgiven for failures and rudeness, spared in Russian, not noticing a snake smile, mean life to the Main room, vindictiveness, greed for money, luxury and power.
        He didn’t even betray them, because he didn’t promise them anything, but, if he did, he promised not to them, but to completely different, significant people!
        - For what, what do they need from me ?! Where is the guard ?! he thought behind the closed door of the Main Room ...
        The guards escaped because they did not want to give their lives for him, because each guard had a son who studied at a security school to protect someone, but neatly, without risk, for decent money.
        When they broke the beautiful door to the Main room, they saw a dead, small, worthless man in wet pants, and a crying mask froze on his rat face, pumped with botex.
        After this event, another, good and honest life began.
  15. Kovlad
    Kovlad 23 October 2014 20: 40
    +3
    Zyablitsov (1) SU Today, 19:03 New
    The most powerless people in Russia, as it is not strange-Russian! We have no associations, no Mejlises, no republics ... We just have it! The titular nation seems to be, but no privileges, if the competition is Ukrainian, Tatar, Jew, Chukchi ..., it has preferences, they say a small ethnic group!
    I am not a nationalist, but simply stating the fact that all other nationalities whine then ???
    We live in one house and do one thing!


    I completely agree with this definition! All sins are hung on the Russians, and it doesn’t matter who stood at the head of state, a Georgian or Ukrainian, or someone else. All the republics of the former USSR, which lived much cooler than Russia, were all as one sprinkled on Russia, although all the plants, power plants and EVERYTHING in general! infrastructure in these republics was created during the Soviet era! But Russia lives ... drive away 500 kilometers from Moscow and see for yourself ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 23 October 2014 21: 03
      +2
      Konstantin, and you are stressed to the point! hi
    2. officer29
      officer29 23 October 2014 21: 37
      +2
      Quote: Kovlad
      drive away 500 kilometers from Moscow and see for yourself ...

      Eka You grabbed - 500km! Enough and 50 from the Moscow Ring Road. Wilderness, there are no roads and impassable dirt! Not even a mobile phone! crying
  16. Dies Irae
    Dies Irae 23 October 2014 20: 50
    0
    Tatars, Tatars ... they are no better and no worse than other people - Crimeans. And who thinks himself exceptional - let him see how the "Superior Race" finished in the 45th.
  17. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 October 2014 20: 50
    +7
    Residents of Poneakhavsk are indignant :) Moscow has long been a country in the country (I’m sure I’ll catch the minuses), with their own laws, they haven’t released their money yet and have not fenced off their borders. Although ... compulsory registration upon arrival in Moscow time, this is one of the infringements of their own citizens on freedom of movement.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 23 October 2014 20: 52
      +5
      Quote: everest2014
      Moscow has long been a country in the country (I’m sure I’ll catch the minuses)

      For what minus? After all, this is true.
    2. DRA-88
      DRA-88 23 October 2014 22: 13
      +4
      Quote: everest2014
      Moscow has long been a country in the country (I’m sure I’ll catch minuses), with their laws, they haven’t let their money out yet and have not fenced off their borders.

      Maskvastan cannot draw the border, because the rest of the country just works for it!
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 23 October 2014 22: 20
        +3
        Quote: DRA-88
        Maskvastan cannot draw the border, because the rest of the country just works for it!


        90% of Russia's budget revolves in Moscow. That's where the time bomb is! With a skillful game, nuclear weapons will not be needed.
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 38
          +2
          Quote: studentmati
          90% of Russia's budget revolves in Moscow. That's where the time bomb is! With a skillful game, nuclear weapons will not be needed.

          Your golden words, Dear Alexander! (I apologize for the familiarity)
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 23 October 2014 23: 41
            +2
            Quote: DRA-88
            Your golden words


            Can we help the Motherland with something?
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 44
              +3
              Quote: studentmati
              Can we help the Motherland with something?

              So I want to ask you if our country needs our knowledge and experience with you ?!
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 23 October 2014 23: 47
                +2
                Quote: DRA-88
                So I want to ask you if our country needs our knowledge and experience with you ?!


                Is that in the mobilization reserve? With the subsequent write-off of us, as a consumable? And families and children? They don’t care.
                1. DRA-88
                  DRA-88 23 October 2014 23: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Is that in the mobilization reserve? With the subsequent write-off of us, as a consumable? And families and children? They don’t care.

                  It's a shame right?
                  They fought for it, defenses were raised, and here the hrynaks and other owners, be here!
    3. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2014 22: 20
      +3
      Quote: everest2014
      Although ... compulsory registration upon arrival at Moscow time is one of the infringements of their own citizens on freedom of movement.

      Do you know what registration is? It is obligatory in any city of Russia. When a nonresident arrives in another settlement, he lives somewhere. That means he uses hot and cold water, heating, garbage is taken out for him. That's what registration is paid for! No It has nothing to do with registration. The Institute of Registration was canceled in Russia in '93. Try reading something and not publishing fabrications. I haven’t been reading Moscow, but I’ve been living here for more than 10 years and see her life. In the morning and evening the metro is full working people. A bunch of idlers that just flashes on TV makes up an insignificant part of Moscow. Try to understand this.
      1. Massik
        Massik 23 October 2014 22: 26
        +1
        When a nonresident arrives in another locality, he lives somewhere. That means he uses hot and cold water, heating, and garbage is taken out behind him.
        Eh, you city people, if fate drives you into the city, only out of great need. They come and touch the stove "Oooo warms!" all the conveniences here are telephone and electricity.
    4. Normal
      Normal 23 October 2014 22: 51
      +2
      Quote: everest2014
      Although ... compulsory registration upon arrival at Moscow time is one of the infringements of their own citizens on freedom of movement.

      Obligatory registration for your information not only in Moscow. And not in "Moscow time" as you write, Moscow is the Capital of Russia, whether you like it or not, if you please show respect for the Capital of the Country and write its name in full and as it should be in Russian with a capital letter. Registration is required for ALL of Russia.

      Law of the Russian Federation of June 25.06.1993, 5242 N 1-28.12.2013 (as amended on December XNUMX, XNUMX) "On the right of citizens of the Russian Federation to freedom of movement, choice of place of stay and residence within the Russian Federation

      Federal Law of the Russian Federation of December 21 2013 N 376-ФЗ
      "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation"
  18. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 October 2014 21: 25
    +1
    Quote: Kovlad
    Chukchi ..., has preferences, a small ethnic group they say!

    Ha! Tell me about the Chukchi preferences, but I came from there, from the very north. There are similarities to the ghetto where they live in poverty and drunkenness. Gold, etc. from there pump regularly. Do you think they live like sheikhs in the Emirates?
  19. Kovlad
    Kovlad 23 October 2014 21: 32
    +1
    Zyablitsov (1) SU Today, 21: 03 ↑
    Konstantin, and you are stressed to the point!

    I would like to say in the words of Vereshchagin, from "The White Sun of the Desert" -: "I am offended for POWER."
  20. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 October 2014 22: 04
    0
    Are we Russians the most correct Russians, judging by the minuses? Chukchi ride land kruzak, maybach and ferrari right on the tundra, eat black caviar and live better than Muscovites, right? We don’t rob them, right? True, cruel, and it’s impossible to blame her lies. Is it unpleasant to see the truth?

    Zenon, are you helping yourself from two accounts?
    1. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2014 22: 47
      +3
      Quote: everest2014
      Zenon, are you helping yourself from two accounts?

      I am discussing strictly specifically. Is there anything to answer?
    2. Normal
      Normal 23 October 2014 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: everest2014
      Chukchi ride land kruzak, maybach and ferrari right on the tundra, eat black caviar and live better than Muscovites, right?

      As for the Chukchi, I will not say, but the Chechens, yes - they go. Only not in the mountains in Chechnya, but in Moscow. And the Yakuts travel, and also around Moscow. Moreover, living in the Moscow region on the territory of the Yakut sanatorium donated to Yakutia by Yeltsin, these same Yakuts receive northern allowances, and with impudence of borders that do not know, they declare to local (that is, the indigenous inhabitants of the Moscow region) that they give them WORK.
      For information, ALL Yakuts born before 9 of May 1945 of the year by the decree of the President of Yakutia are considered Veterans of the Great Patriotic War and enjoy the corresponding benefits.

      Zenon, are you helping yourself from two accounts?

      Judge by yourself?
      I am helping Andrey "zenon" because I think he is right in your dispute.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 58
        0
        Alone, then, with "Everest" not to cope?
  21. Crimea-nyash
    Crimea-nyash 23 October 2014 22: 39
    0
    again the same song about exclusivity, slightly covered with arguments like "new songs about the old." maybe it's enough to grovel in front of those who believe in their exclusivity? maybe somewhere in remote regions of our country and roll their ideas and slogans, but not here, here, in our country. besides them, more than one and a half million other people live in Crimea. and they You may also need help in arranging and preserving your customs and habits. Let's think not about those who yell the loudest, but about the rest too.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 15: 59
      0
      Here in the law on rehabilitation there is a whole list and is listed, and by no means exclusively and only "Crimean Tatars"
  22. mervino2007
    mervino2007 23 October 2014 22: 43
    0
    [quote = Reasonable, 2,3] No contracts with the Crimean Tatars? quote]

    What about the Potemkin / Catherine 2 agreement? We have been living nearby for hundreds of years ... We must respect those who are nearby. To make them feel - they are the same citizens of Russia. With the same rights and obligations. Listen to their aspirations. I think it will be fair.
  23. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 October 2014 23: 59
    +1
    Quote: zennon
    Quote: everest2014
    Zenon, are you helping yourself from two accounts?

    I am discussing strictly specifically. Is there anything to answer?

    From one account? Then there are no complaints. Someone fiercely supports your point of view. No offense. And minus didn’t you put me, essno? Yes, I'm sure not you :)
    1. zennon
      zennon 24 October 2014 00: 16
      +1
      Quote: everest2014
      Yes, I'm sure not you :)

      I didn’t minus it. I don’t need it. It’s customary to justify the cons, but I already express my point of view. Well, we figured it out.
      Quote: everest2014
      Someone fiercely supports your point of view. No offense.

      Here is what a colleague "Normal" addressed to you:

      Judge by yourself?
      I am helping Andrey "zenon" because I think he is right in your dispute.

      But I think the minus is not his. He is a man NORMAL!
      1. Normal
        Normal 24 October 2014 00: 33
        +1
        Quote: zennon
        But I think the minus is not his. He is a man NORMAL!


        Thank you!
  24. Everest2014
    Everest2014 24 October 2014 00: 04
    +2
    Quote: zennon
    Do you know what registration is?

    You will be surprised, I do not carry documents in my cities. Well, I carry a credit card, a carriage card and all sorts of garbage, such as an admission card for fixing any cash nonsense. I will surprise you, they do not require registration bastards, can you imagine? And I can cross stitch ...
    1. zennon
      zennon 24 October 2014 00: 20
      +2
      Quote: everest2014
      and all sorts of bullshit, such as an admission card for fixing any cash nonsense.

      Quote: everest2014
      And I can cross stitch ...

      Really? I'm a service engineer myself. Now I'm repairing coffee machines. hi
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 24 October 2014 00: 24
        0
        Quote: zennon
        I myself am a service engineer

        Andrei, I remember you reset the link to one very interesting airline site! You can duplicate, otherwise you barked with your account!
        Thank you in advance! hi
        1. zennon
          zennon 24 October 2014 00: 36
          +1
          Quote: DRA-88
          Andrei, I remember you reset the link to one very interesting airline site!

          Yes, I forgot unfortunately. I just don’t remember, I'm sorry. recourse
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 24 October 2014 00: 47
            +1
            Quote: zennon
            Yes, I forgot unfortunately. I just don’t remember, I'm sorry.

            If you suddenly come across share again! hi
            You can in PM!
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    2. Zuborez
      Zuborez 24 October 2014 11: 26
      0
      And I don’t carry it)). Why the hell do I have to carry my passport in Moscow? laughing
  25. Everest2014
    Everest2014 24 October 2014 00: 11
    0
    Quote: Normal
    Obligatory registration for your information not only in Moscow. And not in "Moscow time" as you write, Moscow

    In no way did I want to offend your feelings, but there is an international standard for abbreviation of city names. There is a desire to argue? Come to me in the settlement, live at least a year, no one will ask you about registration. Sculpt minus, as I understand the resentment of the Muscovites.
    1. Normal
      Normal 24 October 2014 00: 30
      +1
      Quote: everest2014
      Sculpt minus, as I understand the resentment of the Muscovites.

      I don’t put any cons, for the last 8 months I gave two, but not to you.

      Quote: everest2014
      but there is an international standard for abbreviation of city names.

      Maybe. But this is due to certain reasons, among which there is no derogatory attitude, but do you have such an attitude, or am I mistaken?

      Quote: everest2014
      Come to me in the settlement, live at least a year, no one will ask you about registration.


      As soon as the capital of Russia is transferred to your city, it will not even take a year for your registration to be checked.

      P.S
      I am not a Muscovite.
  26. Everest2014
    Everest2014 24 October 2014 00: 20
    +1
    Quote: Normal
    As for the Chukchi, I will not say, but the Chechens, yes - they go.

    Those. need to bring 10-20 thousand carbines to Chukotka and arrange an Independence Square there? The Chukchi are able to survive in this white haze and the special forces will be cut .... What kind of nonsense? No need to shout, aaaaaa, we pay preferences to the poor sheep themselves. If it is not Russians who hear this, the porridge will boil which it will be difficult to disentangle or completely impossible. Let's think about what the states were striving for and everything will fall into place and your stupid cries too.
  27. Everest2014
    Everest2014 24 October 2014 00: 38
    0
    Quote: zennon
    Really? I'm a service engineer myself. Now I'm repairing coffee machines.

    Which tormented? I epson tm-975u (the Japanese, did not die at all, well, almost) and the postal freaks, they were strewed like:%:%?:%, In general reliable things, stable bread. I thought about raising the central heating station, I didn’t have enough money. The trouble is shorter.
    1. zennon
      zennon 24 October 2014 00: 54
      0
      He worked there, they don’t say anything about it. Weaker. Well, now, everyday crap. I apologize for work tomorrow, it's time for the bainki. hi
      1. Everest2014
        Everest2014 24 October 2014 00: 57
        0
        Ok, sweet nightmares.
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  28. Vadim12
    Vadim12 24 October 2014 00: 56
    +1
    There is no need to bargain for anything and the authorities should not go about the extortionists. Tatar is not Tatar, what's the difference? Now you are a Russian. Work, pay taxes and live in peace. It is not necessary to separate ourselves, they say, we are a minority, we need a special attitude towards us ... Everyone is equal.
    1. Andrei946
      Andrei946 24 October 2014 12: 06
      0
      Quite right, the main thing is that the majority of the population of Crimea adopted Russian citizenship, i.e. they entered the legal field of the Russian Federation. And this implies life under the laws of the Russian Federation. Just in your desire to have a special status, etc. Tatars can plunge into a global scammer, without realizing it, individual wretched wretches will lead this process
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 16: 07
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      All are equal, but the Russian People are big and strong, they will not notice a small dirty trick, like a mosquito bite; but among small nations there is a very strong "complex of national inferiority", therefore it is necessary to deal with them - as with children - carefully, delicately and politely.
  29. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 24 October 2014 01: 12
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    Quote: zennon
    The most powerless people in Russia, as it is not strange-Russian! We have no associations, no Majlises, no republics ...

    Interestingly, now all the fragments of the USSR are repeating about the Russian occupation, and in Soviet times there was not even the Communist Party of the RSFSR. Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Lithuania and others - were. But the RSFSR - no. And then the party organization is not the Zyuganov Club of nostalgic oligarchs. Then the party is everything. From the repertoire of cinemas to the range of consumer goods and the number of nuclear charges. And in the same Ukraine, both Russian and mov were taught. And the signs were in two languages. It turns out that the 14 republics had national self-identification, and we, as rootless cosmopolitans, are internationalists?
    1. Andrei946
      Andrei946 24 October 2014 12: 03
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      The Russian people are not lawless, and thus the greatness of our people is shown, which does not destroy the uniqueness of the peoples that entered the Russian regional civilization, in contrast to the civilization of the West
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 16: 09
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      And so it was. And there was a thesis about "a new historical community of people - the SOVIET PEOPLE"
  30. Everest2014
    Everest2014 24 October 2014 01: 25
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    Quote: Normal
    As soon as the capital of Russia is transferred to your city, it will not even take a year for your registration to be checked.

    Those. Do we recognize the imbalance in financial terms and in the approach to our own citizens when crossing the MSK border? Well, what is there to argue about?

    Derogatory attitude towards whom? To snickering Muscovites? Who on whose hump is going to paradise, I wonder? Maybe Muscovites go on our hump? I am mistaken? Are we on their reasonable boshki, honest Muscovites, biting a smoked sturgeon, a geeky go to the future?
    1. Normal
      Normal 24 October 2014 18: 46
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      Quote: everest2014
      To snickering Muscovites?

      Where are you, so starving? Maybe it's you snickering? Maybe it's YOU and a month can’t stand the Moscow competition, the requirements and the rhythm of life?
      Maybe it's you eating natural food and not GMOs like Muscovites? Maybe it is hatred and envy in your boshki? Maybe you think too well of yourself and come up with a fat Muscovite to support this unfounded opinion?
      So the way is clear; come and show everyone here what star you are.
      Honest non-Muscovite ...
  31. Signature
    Signature 24 October 2014 07: 42
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    A counterbalance to the destructive forces from the Crimean Tatar environment can be effective, of course, precisely if it is generated by the same environment, that is, if it itself forms its own counter-destructive force. If this is already happening, it means that there will be peace in Crimea (it seems that now they say more willingly: "in Crimea"?) ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 24 October 2014 16: 12
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      Right! In Crimea - there will be peace! And no Dzhemilev and Chubarov will not prevent this!