In Tula, the production of new small-sized grenade launchers "Bur"

The Tula Instrument Engineering Design Bureau (the famous KBP) set up mass production of the new small-sized grenade launcher complex "Bur". The novelty has already been adopted by the Russian army and will be supplied to the Russian security forces. About this reports TASS with reference to representatives of the Tula enterprise. The last time the novelty was presented to the public at the Interpolitex-2014 exhibition. For the first time, this small-sized grenade launcher was shown in 2013 year at the KBP stand at the same exhibition. It also appeared that the BelOMO holding from Belarus had already created several types of sights for the new Russian grenade launcher: daytime optical, nighttime and thermal imaging.

The representative of the PCU noted that at the moment there is no need to carry out a significant modernization of the grenade launcher. He also said that the military of other states was already showing an interest in “Buru”. The small-bore grenade launcher “The Bur” can be used to hit targets at a distance of up to 950 meters, while the sighting range with a daytime optical scope is 650 meters, and the minimum allowable shooting range is just 25 meters. When equipped, the Russian novelty weighs no more than 5 kg. According to the manufacturer, the launcher is able to withstand at least 500 shots.

"Bur" is a new universal assault weapon infantry, which allows him to solve most of the tasks of fire support in a variety of conditions of close combat. The grenade launcher comes with two types of 62-mm rounds: high-explosive and high-explosive. The shotgun of a high-explosive bomber grenade launcher is designed to destroy enemy personnel in an open area over an area of ​​at least 50 square meters, as well as damage to and destruction of buildings, disabling lightly armored and unarmored vehicles, the KBP official website reports. The high-explosive fragmentation shot is designed to hit shrapnel in an open area and unprotected enemy manpower in an area of ​​at least 80 square meters, as well as to hit various automotive vehicles.

The small-sized grenade launcher lives up to its name, its length is only 742 mm, and the maximum weight of a grenade launcher with a shot is no more than 5 kg. The mass may vary slightly depending on the installed sights. Such a set of weight and size characteristics makes the Russian grenade launcher one of the most compact, lightweight and very convenient to use grenade launchers in the world. "Bur" can be used in a variety of conditions. One of the ways to use it is to strike the enemy from a closed room, for example, a small room. The characteristics of the rocket engine allow it to be safe for the shooter to fire from rooms whose volume is only 30 cubic meters (roughly equivalent to a room of 12 square meters).

The grenade launcher complex "Bour" consists of two main components - a reusable firing control unit, as well as jet grenades, which are placed in special disposable transport and launch containers (TLC). The fire control unit is made in the form of a pistol grip with a small forearm and is made of impact-resistant plastic. It houses the firing mechanism, safety device, as well as a mount for the installation of TPK. On the left side of the fire control unit is a bracket, which serves for mounting various sights, including night IR sights. The standard sight for a grenade launcher is an optical sight PGO-BUR. Also on the device you can install a laser range finder.

As already mentioned above, rocket-propelled grenades for the “Bura” of caliber 62-mm are produced in two versions - high-explosive (thermobaric), explosive mass in TNT equivalent of kg, and high-explosive fragmentation. The curb weight for a grenade launcher is 6 kg. Each grenade at the factory is placed in a separate plastic TPK, which is sealed with special rubber covers from the ends. These covers at the time of the shot will be knocked out automatically. The body of the rocket engine is made of fiberglass.

To commit a shot from a small-sized grenade launcher complex (CIM) "Bur" TPK with a shot attached to the control unit shooting. After the shot is completed, the empty TPK is simply disconnected from the control unit and discarded. On the flight path, an 62-mm grenade is stabilized using drop-down tail stabilizers, which are made of steel. A special electronic simulator, designated GK 62-T, was designed and created for training military personnel in the training and combat shooting rules of the MCC "Bur" in Tula. This simulator allows you to simulate a variety of combat situations in the conditions of the most ordinary training class and to teach the grenade throwers the rules of firing, depending on various conditions.

The small-sized grenade launcher complex "Bur" has the following set of advantages and features:
- It can be equipped with various types of shots.
- Different types of sights can be used, depending on the conditions of use.
- Ammunition with small size and weight are highly effective and powerful.
- You can fire even from small enclosed spaces of 30 m 3 volume.
- The complex is distinguished by safe handling and high reliability.
- Easy handling, the ability to fire from the provisions: "lying", "from the knee", "standing", including in conditions of limited visibility conditions on the battlefield.
- The complex is convenient for transportation, for airborne assault, when driving on very rough terrain.

Tactical and technical characteristics of MCC "Bur":
Firing range: maximum - 950 m, sighting with an optical sight - 650 m, minimum - 25 m.
Weight: starter with an optical sight - 1,5 kg, shot - 3,5 kg.
Caliber - 62 mm.
Shot length - 742 mm.
Temperature range of application - from –40 to + 60 ° C.
The allowable number of shots from the starter is at least 500.
Accuracy of shooting at a distance of 200 m: the probability of deflection in height (Вв) ≤ 0,5, by lateral deviation (Wb) ≤ 0,5.

Information sources:
http://itar-tass.com/armiya-i-opk/1521472
http://otvaga2004.ru/kaleydoskop/kaleydoskop-inf/bur
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/17203
http://www.kbptula.ru (сайт производителя)

Comments

[Million]

Solid! They know how to make weapons in Tula!

[DRA-88]

Quote: Million

Solid! They know how to make weapons in Tula!

Of course we can, if we hadn't interfered yet! In Soviet times, even under the brand name of the Santekhnika Plant, defense products were produced!
And what do we have now? KBP OJSC is a design bureau with a small production base (Thank God and enthusiasts in their field A.G. Shipunov and V.P. Gryazev, their names by the abbreviation on weapons are known to the whole country - GSh). Moreover, Moscow's insistent demand for corporatization and the imposition of "effective" managers have borne fruit! There are also "Alloy" and "Basalt". And that's all!
Some statistics: As a result of the conversion and structural adjustment of the country's economy, the state defense order, which made up the bulk of the production of defense enterprises in the region, decreased sharply. From the 90s to the present day, the industry has lost about 270 thousand skilled workers and engineers (in Tula, by the end of the 80s, about 70% of employees worked in the military-industrial complex). By 2011, total production decreased to 10% of the 1990 level.
The largest Tula enterprises were closed and plundered by predators! On the verge of closing, the oldest plant in Russia "Tula Arms Plant" was founded in 1712.
The Tula Polytechnic University almost stopped graduating defense specialists !!! (lawyers, doctors , tourism, etc.)
Technical training colleges are closed !!!
In recent years, Zeva Toilet Paper Plant and Glass Container Plant have been built in the region.
With such a policy, we will last. We will not last long!
Design engineer of the former defense plant "Shtamp"
Tulev V.A.

[Rarahin]

The left-handed person flew a shoe, and modern Tula engineers soon put a gun on this flea!

[Afinogen]

It would be better to call it "Drill" rather than "Drill" (judging by the size)

[Vladimirets]

I wonder what distance is set to reduce the aiming point and the point of impact?

[tkhonov66]

with such SKVO and the affected area - any "alignment of the axes" - does not matter. Align the axis of the sight parallel to the bore - and that's it ...
If the lesion area is 50-60 m * m - then 100 mm to the right or 100 mm to the left - what's the difference ?!
8-)
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Yes, and more ... I finally didn’t understand how to decipher the indicated shooting accuracy (probability of deviation in height (Вв) ≤ 0,5, in lateral deviation (Wb) ≤ 0,5)
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Well, I’m shooting, for example, at 200 meters at the target - a square with an area of ​​1 m * m (Well, like, a machine gunner in the window ...). Let’s bring, let’s say, to the center. And what is my chance of getting into that window? Or, in other words - HOW MUCH Grenade will be needed to guarantee a target hit?
8- (

[Ascetic]

Quote: tkhonov66

. Let’s bring, let’s say, to the center. And what is my chance of getting into that window?

No, you get above the window. The aiming point under normal (close to tabular) conditions is usually chosen in mid base the visible part of the target, and with a significant deviation of the shooting conditions from normal (tabular), the point is selected in the target area, the lateral correction distance from the middle of its lower edgeif the amendment is known to the shooter. In any case, aiming must be carried out. under the foundation of the goal. If you missed, they won’t give you a second shot ... they’ll cover you.

In battle, the grenade launcher must be careful about the rate of shots. Shooting from a grenade launcher requires a grenade launcher to have quick, dexterous, automatic actions.

[Svateev]

Quote: Ascetic

The aiming point in normal (close to tabular) conditions is usually chosen in the middle of the base of the visible part of the target

This is only if you shoot a direct shot. If you want (and have the time) to get more accurate, then set the exact distance to the target on the sight and aim in the middle of the target (not in the middle of the lower edge of the target, namely in the middle of the target).

[Lopatov]

Quote: tkhonov66

Yes, and yet ... I finally didn’t understand how to decipher the indicated shooting accuracy (probability of deviation in height (Вв) ≤ 0,5, in lateral deviation (Вб) ≤ 0,5).
Well, I’m shooting, for example, at 200 meters at the target - a square with an area of ​​1 m * m (Well, like, a machine gunner in the window ...). Let’s bring, let’s say, to the center. And what is my chance of getting into that window?

This means that 50% of the missiles will fly into a 1x1 meter window. 82% of missiles in a circle with a diameter of 2 meters, 100% in a circle with a diameter of 4 meters.

Quote: tkhonov66

HOW MUCH Grenade will be needed to guarantee a target hit?

Infinite number of grenades.
And if you need to hit a target, for example, with a probability of 0.9, then, as far as I remember the formulas, at least 3.3 (four) shots. With a probability of 95% - at least 4.3 (five)

[Svateev]

Quote: Spade

HOW MUCH Grenades will be needed to guarantee a target’s defeat? An infinite number of grenades. And if you need to hit a target, for example, with probability in 0.9, then, as far as I remember the formulas, at least 3.3 (four) shots. With probability 95% - at least 4.3 (five)

You did not take into account the area affected by the grenade. You have indicated the number of shots for the DIRECT hit of a grenade at the target. But the maximum deflection of the grenade can be 0,5m * 4 = 2m. And the radius of the grenade’s defeat = square root of (50sq.m / 3,14) = 4м. That is, even the most deviated grenade covers the target with its defeat area.
That is, if a grenade launcher with an aim is brought to normal combat and the accuracy to the target is set correctly, then the defeat of the target is guaranteed by ONE grenade.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: tkhonov66

any "alignment of the axes" - does not matter. Align the axis of the sight parallel to the bore - and that's it ...

The fact of the matter is that in the photo the bore is clearly not parallel to the scope.

[Svateev]

Quote: tkhonov66

with such SKVO and the affected area - any "alignment of the axes" - does not matter. Align the axis of the sight parallel to the bore - and that's it ...

You're wrong!
Without accurate data on the excesses of the trajectory of the grenade launcher, I compare the estimated grenade launcher and Kalashnikov assault rifle. 1) The speed of the grenade compared to the speed of the AK bullet is obviously lower and therefore the angles of the grenade launcher should be much larger than that of the AK. 2) An incorrectly set aiming angle in AK gives an excess (lower) of STP to meters, therefore, in a grenade launcher it will give up to tens of meters. That is, a grenade launcher’s shooting error cannot be compensated for by a large area of ​​destruction.
Bring the grenade launcher to a normal battle ("reduce the lines") and aim accurately.

[Wedmak]

Pocket grenade launcher, cool. These can be dragged on the heels of the department.

[seregggca]

I was very surprised by the phrase ... "The mass of the explosive in TNT equivalent is 6 kg, and high-explosive. The mass of the loaded shot for the grenade launcher is 3,5 kg." ... That is, the "fashionable new" explosives are used.

[Lopatov]

Thermobaric mixtures always had more power than classical explosives.

[Professor]

Miniature RPGs have a right to exist. The bourgeoisie are also engaged in their development.

MBDA's Concept Vision

[IS-80]

Quote: professor

Miniature RPGs have a right to exist. The bourgeoisie are also engaged in their development.

Professor, can you tell us about the Israeli counterparts? It seems that someone said that there are such.

[Professor]

Quote: IS-80

Professor, can you tell us about the Israeli counterparts? It seems that someone said that there are such.

Already told. He even held one in his hands.

Mini Spike Portable Guided Missiles

Lightweight portable missile system Rafael Mini-Spike

Quote: tkhonov66

All that is DRAWED here is NOT WEAPONS, it is PARQUET TOYS

So far, these are really models. If and when they are adopted, they will meet bourgeois standards. And there is dirt and other delights are present.

[bmv04636]

And you can announce the value of the power of foreign

[tkhonov66]

All that is DRAWED here is NOT A WEAPON, these are PARQUET TOYS.
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- run around with such a TOY in the autumn slush along the trench, which is covered with clods of earth and brick dust from nearby gaps, cling to the walls of the trench, drag it along the wet / dry ground overgrown with all kinds of crap, get your face in the mud under the mud shelling - and then try to shoot from THIS TOY ...
- and for your life I will not put a dead, dry fly ... - as the wise talking cricket used to say from A. Tolstoy's immortal work "The Golden Key".
8-))
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[Lopatov]

This is not the development of the grenade launchers themselves, it is the development of their design.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

This is not the development of the grenade launchers themselves, it is the development of their design.

"Design" with the following performance characteristics:
The first is Sniper, small-guided fire-and-forget 40mm ammunition that looks like a 380mm-long pencil. Weighing in at just 900 grams, Sniper can be fired from a grenade launcher-like weapon. Sniper would have a 200-gram warhead and range of up to 1.5 kilometers with pinpoint accuracy to clear rooms and stop vehicles.

The larger of the weapons, Enforcer, has a range of 2.5 kilometers in direct attack mode and weighs in at 4.5 kilogram with a 3.5-kilogram warhead.

[Lopatov]

Why so little? Could write more. Dear, once again: this is not the development of grenade launchers, this is the development of their appearance

What is Concept Visions?

-Concept Visions is an annual initiative to unlock the latent creativity in MBDA
-Starting with our colleagues' input from across the company, applying an intense 'experience-led' process of consultation, conceptualisation, experimentation, prototyping and design, we seek to redefine what an MBDA weapon system could be in 20 years time
-We have aimed to build MBDA's version of a concept car - a credible vision of the future that inspires people to see military capability in a fresh, innovative way

By the way, this is also from the 2010 concepts:

http://www.mbda-systems.com/innovation/future-systems/concept-visions/2010-cvs10
1/

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Why so little? Could write more. Dear, once again: this is not the development of grenade launchers, this is the development of their appearance

Dear, this is not only a design or appearance, but also what this design should do. It's like a car concept car. Here's another:
MBDA Turns Employees' Far-Out Ideas Into Concept Gear

By ANDREW CHUTER, FARNBOROUGH, Britain - European missile maker MBDA has taken the company suggestion box and given it a new twist with a scheme encouraging workers to put forward ideas that might shape future soldier weaponry.

The result, a process the company has labeled Concept Vision, has produced ideas of what an infantry weapon system might look like in 2030 or beyond.

Steve Wadey, executive group technical director and managing director of MBDA UK, said the idea was the missile maker's equivalent of the concept car.

Around 250 MBDA employees responded with ideas in January when the company launched the drive to tap innovative skills across its European operations.

This year the search was on for future weapons for dismounted infantry operating in complex environments.

Two weapons have emerged from a selection process that has pulled together a range of ideas into an integrated solution called CVS101.

The first is Sniper, small-guided fire-and-forget 40mm ammunition that looks like a 380mm-long pencil. Weighing in at just 900 grams, Sniper can be fired from a grenade launcher-like weapon. Sniper would have a 200-gram warhead and range of up to 1.5 kilometers with pinpoint accuracy to clear rooms and stop vehicles.

The larger of the weapons, Enforcer, has a range of 2.5 kilometers in direct attack mode and weighs in at 4.5 kilogram with a 3.5-kilogram warhead.

Patents on some of the ideas are already being sought and the company has so far spent half a million pounds ($ 0.76 million) to get the scheme to the conceptual stage.

The CVS101 package is rounded off by a 2.5-kilo awareness and targeting sensor, a mission controller no bigger than a games console, and a viewer that doubles as a sight, data relay and targeting aid.

The weapons can be networked through the console to fire in salvos, multi-weapon co-ordination, distributed engagement and other battlespace requirements likely in the 2030s.

Wadey said that next year, he is thinking of turning Concept Visions' gaze on very long-range strike.

[Lopatov]

Exactly. As a concept car in cars ... It’s beautiful and never goes into a series.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Exactly. As a concept car in cars ... It’s beautiful and never goes into a series.

Electric cars, too, were once concept cars, but now there are millions on the roads.

[Lopatov]

Electric cars appeared in the 19th century. Then there was no such thing as a "concept car".

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Electric cars appeared in the 19th century. Then there was no such thing as a "concept car".

Convinced. And when did hybrids and concepts appear? Now there are tens of millions on the roads ...

[IS-80]

Quote: professor

Electric cars, too, were once concept cars, but now there are millions on the roads.

Do you also have an electric car?

[Professor]

Quote: IS-80

Do you also have an electric car?

I don’t, but my neighbor has a 100 percent Renault Fluence electric car. I’m not ready to exchange it for anything.

[Krogan_Urdnot]

Better Place, I suppose?)

[Professor]

Quote: Krogan_Urdnot

Better Place, I suppose?)

What remains of it, namely a car with a battery and a charging column in the parking lot in front of the house.

[wanderer_032]

A good complex, still a cumulative warhead for a gradual replacement in the RPG-18,22 troops.

[tkhonov66]

"...
Another would be a cumulative warhead for the gradual replacement in the troops of the RPG-18,22.
..."
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But THIS - do not ...
Bot tandem warhead - trivially DOES NOT fit into these dimensions.
And any other "pukalki" against modern tanks are simply not effective.
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Those. an attempt to "shake things up" into these dimensions something REAL - "anti-tank" - will turn this graceful little thing INTO AN INCREDIBLE MONSTER.
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And the need for conventional (not anti-tank) "pocket" artillery - it IS ALWAYS.
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So, "don't ruin men, don't ruin" ...
8-)

[Slavs69]

Quote: tkhonov66

But THIS - do not ...
Bot tandem warhead - trivially DOES NOT fit into these dimensions.
And any other "pukalki" against modern tanks are simply not effective.
.
Those. an attempt to "shake things up" into these dimensions something REAL - "anti-tank" - will turn this graceful little thing INTO AN INCREDIBLE MONSTER.
.
And the need for conventional (not anti-tank) "pocket" artillery - it IS ALWAYS.
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So, "don't ruin men, don't ruin" ...
8-)

I fully support! Nefig-nafig. Need a sledgehammer, you need a hammer.

[blizart]

The characteristics of the rocket engine allow the shooter to fire safely from rooms with a volume of only 30 cubic meters (approximately equivalent to a room with an area of ​​12 square meters).

Well, that means that a Russian soldier will be able to shoot from it even from the MZhO’s object, two shells in his ears and fire. By the way, in addition to jokes, a very important characteristic. Our range in 4.5 km when they land from the RPG-7, the windows rattle in the headquarters.

[31rus]

Awesome thing, I don’t understand the current why the handle is separate, it’s easier to fire and throw it as a one-time shot, to drag the starter with you and the weight would decrease

[aszzz888]

Wow, honey! In addition to the existing hand grenade launchers, a great addition!

[padonok.71]

Will Drillers' crews be included in the regular composition of platoons / companies / battalions? (In my opinion, platoons are better, of course.) Or the same "parsley" as with Bumblebees.

[Lopatov]

In theory, there will be no new staffing units for them. As there was no RPG-18 and other disposable RPGs. And it will most likely be a weapon at the branch level.

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

In theory, there will be no new staffing units for them. As there was no RPG-18 and other disposable RPGs. And it will most likely be a weapon at the branch level.

The good thing is not that GM-94. Most likely it is. Why fence a garden for the sake of a launcher weighing 1,5 kg?

[Lopatov]

The Bura and GM-94 have different tactical niches.

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

The Bura and GM-94 have different tactical niches.

I do not see the difference. Both there and there shooting at infantry and unarmored or lightly armored vehicles.

[Lopatov]

Making smoke, lighting, marker, light-noise and other special ammunition for the "Bura" is somewhat silly, don't you think?

In addition, do not you think that it is somewhat difficult to shoot with the "Boer" along a hinged trajectory so that they could hit the enemy behind cover?

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

Making smoke, lighting, marker, light-noise and other special ammunition for the "Bura" is somewhat silly, don't you think?

These are all irrelevant trifles.

Quote: Spade

In addition, do not you think that it is somewhat difficult to shoot with the "Boer" along a hinged trajectory so that they could hit the enemy behind cover?

In principle, it seems to me that in the presence of a sufficiently powerful thermobaric munition there is no special need.

[Lopatov]

Quote: IS-80

These are all irrelevant trifles.

This is very important. Given the wearable BC "Bura"

Quote: IS-80

In principle, it seems to me that in the presence of a sufficiently powerful thermobaric munition there is no special need.

Do not confuse thermobaric ammunition and push-pull ammunition volumetric explosion.
TB ammunition does not create an aerosol cloud before detonation. This means that behind the wall you can easily hide from them, because their action is similar to the action of a usual high-explosive charge.

[Alex19]

Thermobaric and BP of a volume explosion are one and the same. I don’t know what about push-pulls. Behind the wall from RPO-A you definitely can’t be saved, as well as from any thermobaric shell.

[luiswoo]

I do not see the difference. Both there and there shooting at infantry and unarmored or lightly armored vehicles.

And for the price per shot, they are one to one, yes ...

[IS-80]

Quote: luiswoo

And for the price per shot, they are one to one, yes ...

A drill shot is more effective than a GM-94 shot in which grenades resemble baby clappers, well, in fact, like grenades for VOG-25 type grenade launchers.

[silver169]

In Novorossia there would be more of them, mowing dill.

[padonok.71]

In my opinion, the Boer is still a group weapon. One person simply will not carry many "tubes" (3,5 kg each, whatever one may say). Plus 1,5 - a launcher with a sight, plus personal self-defense. Ie 3-4 pipes and that's it. And who needs a Boer like that? When working by calculation, everything falls into place. Shooter and 1-2 carriers. Wearable BC - 15-20 tubes. Submission - platoon commander. Working independently, in the interests of the platoon, or giving it to squads. Is it logical?

PS: And GM is still a different thing, for completely different things.

[IS-80]

Quote: padonok.71

In my opinion, the Boer is still a group weapon. One person simply will not carry many "tubes" (3,5 kg each, whatever one may say). Plus 1,5 - a launcher with a sight, plus personal self-defense. Ie 3-4 pipes and that's it. And who needs a Boer like that? When working by calculation, everything falls into place. Shooter and 1-2 carriers. Wearable BC - 15-20 tubes. Submission - platoon commander. Working independently, in the interests of the platoon, or giving it to squads. Is it logical?

Illogical. And the RPG-18 2,6 kg, which is slightly less and what are they wearing without any separate rocket launchers? 3-4 pipes are not enough, but how much is needed? 15-20 tubes, and why not 40-50? What do you mean by yourself? Free hunter? Incomprehensible you say something.

Quote: padonok.71

PS: And GM is still a different thing, for completely different things.

Absolutely unnecessary for any business. Due to ammunition, huge weight and short range. I’m not talking about all sorts of aiming and other details programming undermining.

[Massik]

Absolutely unnecessary for any business. Due to ammunition, huge weight and short range. I’m not talking about all sorts of aiming and other details programming undermining.

Yeah, you slap up the stairs and then from above you with a machine gun, but with ricochets. You cannot throw a grenade, from any "pipe" to shoot yourself into a heap of charred meat will turn it. So remember about the "unnecessary" GM from which in the 7th you can no longer be afraid.

[IS-80]

Quote: Marssik

Yeah, you slap up the stairs and then from above you with a machine gun, but with ricochets. You cannot throw a grenade, from any "pipe" to shoot yourself into a heap of charred meat will turn it. So remember about the "unnecessary" GM from which in the 7th you can no longer be afraid.

What is it like? Put this outfit in the span, show and everyone will surrender in horror? Yeah, something seems to me figs you will fall out of it under such a scenario, but it’s for sure for you because it’s cumbersome and difficult and the conditions of the battle are such that you need to do this as quickly as possible, but there is a big risk of falling into the same steps from below and get what he wanted to bring down on the enemy.

[padonok.71]

Quote: IS-80

A RPG-18

Do you understand the difference between an individual anti-tank grenade launcher and a universal support weapon (without anti-tank nomenclature), understand?

Quote: IS-80

3-4 pipes are not enough, but how much is needed?

Quote: padonok.71

Wearable BK - 15-20 tubes.

Quote: IS-80

why not 40-50?

because the optimal calculation is 2, maximum 3 people, more - loss of mobility.

Quote: IS-80

What do you mean by yourself?

Quote: padonok.71

in the interests of a platoon

Quote: IS-80

Incomprehensible you say something.

Still, your level of preparation is weak, the subject of discussion is very approximate. From this and it is not clear.

Quote: IS-80

Absolutely unnecessary for any business.

Based on what such conclusions? Maybe personal experience? But judging by this

Quote: IS-80

ammunition of enormous weight and short range

you didn’t hold the GMK in your hands; there’s nothing to say about shooting.

[IS-80]

Quote: padonok.71

Do you understand the difference between an individual anti-tank grenade launcher and a universal support weapon (without anti-tank nomenclature), understand?

Ok, let the Bumblebee 3,2 kg.

Quote: padonok.71

because the optimal calculation is 2, maximum 3 people, more - loss of mobility.

But where does the loss of mobility and 2-3 people? For what conditions of battle is this amount necessary? It seems that you only fight with the Boers and gathered.

Quote: padonok.71

Still, your level of preparation is weak, the subject of discussion is very approximate. From this and it is not clear.

One of the standard excuses.

Quote: padonok.71

Based on what such conclusions? Maybe personal experience? But judging by this

Personal experience and knowledge of any facts are of course important. But this does not mean that you will be able to analyze everything and draw the right conclusions.

[Lopatov]

Quote: padonok.71

Submission - a platoon commander. Work independently, in the interests of a platoon, or giving units. Is it logical?

No, the platoon commander needs to resolve his issues. And on the mind he should get more powerful OS than these "Bkry"

How is it now in the manual? In the compartment there is a fire group and a maneuverable one. This is exactly the "Boer" for the fire group, for the grenade launcher. The problem with a small wearable is solved simply - the BC must be transported to it on the BMP compartment, and even better on the tank covered by this compartment. Like the French (they have 4 armored containers for infantry ammunition in the "city" body kit on their "Leclerc").

[padonok.71]

Quote: Spade

And on the mind he should get more powerful OS than these "Bkry"

Uh, no, everything is more powerful, you shouldn’t give HF. Yes, he himself does not need this smut. No one has canceled the SOU at the level of a company, a battalion. I consider it optimal to introduce a couple of Boer calculations into the platoon for direct amplification. And the supply of JMA at the request of CO.

Quote: Spade

This is exactly the "Boer" for the fire group, for the grenade launcher.

Again, I do not agree. The fire group is generalists - anti-tank crews, anti-infantrymen, passage-makers, etc. The "Buromets" are rather highly specialized. By exchanging them for "boomers" we deprive the department of flexibility. By giving the department the calculation of "boromet" we, on the contrary, expand their capabilities to solve the current problem.

Quote: Spade

and even better on a tank covered by this squad

And this generally does not need any SDAs. They already have wow! Their task is to ensure the safety of this CSO-GO.

[Lopatov]

Quote: padonok.71

The fire group is station wagons - anti-tankers, anti-personnel, passers, etc.

Yes, no, in the infantry under the current charter it is a grenade launcher, assistant grenade launcher and machine gunner squad. Directly controlled by the commander. A maneuverable group is a senior shooter with arrows.

Quote: padonok.71

By exchanging them for "boomers" we deprive the department of flexibility

We do not deprive anything. They are quite lightweight and oversized. Well, for the platoon level there is another "pocket artillery", RSH-1 and RSH-2, more powerful fire weapons.

Quote: padonok.71

And this generally does not need any SDAs. They already have wow! Their task is to ensure the safety of this CSO-GO.

That is the whole principle - we have no infantry without tanks, like the Americans with their "light" brigades. So the task of the infantry in the offensive is precisely to cover these CSO-GO ... It's a pity that this is practically not taught

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

This is exactly the "Boer" for the fire group, for the grenade launcher.

I do not agree, rather for the shooters. The rest are heavily loaded.

[kav669]

like any grenade launcher a group weapon. I think a convenient thing.

[Massik]

Accuracy of shooting at a distance of 200 m: the probability of deflection in height (Вв) ≤ 0,5, by lateral deviation (Wb) ≤ 0,5.

Well, fantastic 650m effective range is no longer written, somewhere 100-120m one target one grenade is guaranteed. Slightly better than MPO.

[padonok.71]

Quote: Spade

And it will most likely be a weapon at the branch level.

For all my sake, but to whom should I put this unit on?

Cry!

[Lopatov]

Grenade launcher. This unit is a rather specialized thing, ineffective outside settlements.

[padonok.71]

Well, like a tank Ali TBMP, and they are with this waxwing? Of course, two of the state-owned companies Mukhariki have, but this is a weak consolation.

[Lopatov]

They will remove the goose in the shape of a farmer and go for an RPG.

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

Grenade launcher. This unit is a rather specialized thing, ineffective outside settlements.

A 7 by 7 meter high explosive, 9 by 9 meter fragmentation field is quite for itself and for suburban activities. Here GM-94, in addition to the city, is not needed anywhere at all, and in principle, too.

[Romass]

Lord, bless our Peninsula for an instant exodus from the face of the earth. There is no sense in these swindlers, one mess with them with their demonic merrymaking. Make them one common cordyk, starting with a runny nose.

[gross kaput]

Quote: Spade

Grenade launcher. This unit is a rather specialized thing, ineffective outside settlements.

But is it necessary, have they already taken a bunch of all kinds of grenade launchers and flamethrowers that are unclear how to cram into a staff and which duplicate each other, and ask for hell?
RPG-7, RPG-26, RPG-27, RPG-32, RMG, RShG-1, RShG-2, RMO, RPO-A, RPO-M, BUR, in addition, they have not been commercially produced but have not yet been withdrawn from service and there are still RPG-18, RPG-22 in the army, it was put into service but apart from the batch for military trials, it was not mass-produced for the RF Armed Forces (small batches were exported) RPG-29, RPG-28 - generally tear off the mind and hands who accepted it in 2012
Actually, my opinion is that the Moscow Region needs to figure out what it wants and how it wants to - and to stuff x .. a cloud of iron is not a tricky thing.
Now, what specifically concerns the drill - many enthusiastically cite the possibility of shooting from 30 cubic meters premises - there are no global differences in the throwing principle of the drill from all of our other disposable shooters (except RPO-A) - the same flying away short-pulse the jet engine, so this opportunity is not its exclusivity, almost all of our grenade launchers allow you to shoot from enclosed spaces the only question is the volume, but here it does not have significant advantages over classmates in its weight category (RPG26, RMO, RShG2), so our MO take the brains first into armament and then do the rest.

[Lopatov]

Such highly specialized assault for combat in the city is necessary. Which should be used by any military personnel, not specialists.

We also need light anti-aircraft grenade launchers like RPG-18 and descendants. To quickly enhance the feasibility of units. Also should not be used by specialists.

Well, if you recall the regular grenade launchers, you need a new complex to replace the RPG-7.

You’re just dumping everything, I don’t think it is justified.

[Massik]

32ka is quite suitable for specialized grenade throwers, while no one has yet surpassed the best of what is for the city of Bumblebee-M. Now, as a public transport item, 26ka, as an urban MPO-A, are light and mastered. The MPO knit bundle is slightly heavier than the bundle of shots to the Bur, but any fighter can use each flamethrower tube, regardless of the presence of a launching device.
I think the niche for the drill was chosen poorly, it is already full of disposable pipes with the same characteristics.

[Lopatov]

In this case, the "Boers" must be brought down to the level of ordinary disposable grenade launchers, with a launcher on the tube. Can be applied with a reusable advanced PU

[padonok.71]

Quote: gross kaput

RPG-7, RPG-26, RPG-27, RPG-32, RMG, RShG-1, RShG-2, RMO, RPO-A, RPO-M, BUR

All. Kneaded - damn leg break. Anti-tank, anti-personnel, flamethrowers, stenolomic. All in a bunch.
But your message is correct and understandable.
I believe (in my opinion, I do not impose anyone) to replace, in place of the obsolete RPGshnikov, 2 fighters with a modern grenade launcher of a wide range. To complete BC rocket launchers based on the nature of the task (having a wide range of products on the RPMB). To solve special problems, add to the battalion group OUS 2-4 calculations with any rarely needed special sound (RPO-M, Bur, etc.)

In a first approximation, something like this.

[gross kaput]

Quote: padonok.71

All. Kneaded - damn leg break.

Well, it's just a listing of what is put into service, it was enough to stop at 2 types of group RPGs - seven or something newer - since there is a whole range of shots - cumulative, tandem cumulative, fragmentation, thermobar, "chemical" , and a lightweight one-time individual that does not require a separate standard unit and is built on one platform - as an example of the RPG-26 / RMO / RShG-2, and instead, throwing begins with the adoption of RPGs of different design at the same time, especially the adoption of "cranberries" "- what kind of a full ram you have to be to accept this?

[padonok.71]

I agree, with small additions (separate calculations, above the platoon level).
What is wrong with cranberries? Not in the subject.

[gross kaput]

Cranberry was created on the basis of the desire to penetrate the VLD of any newest and promising tank to the same for the DZ. This idea was approached extremely creatively, in the style of how to make a bulldog out of a shepherd dog? take a shepherd dog break the nose with a shovel. As a result, they just took it from the stupidly increased in geometric dimensions of the already not small RPG-27, as a result, it penetrates a meter behind the DZ, but firstly it has inadequate weight and dimensions - a weight of 13 kg, it is hard to understand the dimensions in terms of numbers, on my old the phone had a good photo where my friend is leaning on her - with his average height of 175, it reaches him to the middle of his chest, due to the large diameter of the tube, unlike other RPGs originating from the RPG26, the cranberries had to be sighted on the left side because if you put them in the center, then you need a giraffe's neck for attachment. Well, and most importantly - stupid scaling led to the fact that the power of the engine for such a fool is extremely small, as a result of the "ideal" maximum range of 180m, but since the ballistics became not even a howitzer, but a mortar in reality, only testers at the test range can get into the "face of a tank" at such a range, for conscripts and, in principle, for ordinary shooters, the effective range will be no more than 100m.
As a result - the dimensions and weight are excessive for the concept of single-phase RPGs - a grenade launcher that does not require a separate full-time unit and does not require reducing the weight of the remaining portable weapons and ammunition, effective use at maximum range requires a well-trained shooter-grenade launcher, which again does not fit into the disposable concept RPG.

[gross kaput]

Yes, and by the way, at the time of the first appearance of cranberries to the people, and it was in the spring of 2008 (it appears erroneously on the Internet in 2007, it was first shown at a press conference in ITAR TASS in the spring of 2008, and the broad masses were shown in the same 2008 at MVSV) its maximum the range was 120m, now they are writing about 180 - perhaps the engine was overdrolled, but knowing how everything happens on "Basalt" I doubt very much, more likely 180 m is either an error propagated in magazines / Internet or the range has increased by the will of the people who adopted it.
PS I was present at that momentous press conference, then my journalists hit me - they were for the first time allowed to take photographs of new developments - RMO, RPG-28, RPG-32, nobody used it except the Japanese, all the basic questions were asked the same we were waiting for a buffet for which cultural samurai did not go, but our cocktail party was not very active in trying to drink and gobble up as much as possible and did not get too bored until the TASS employee started asking them for a way out.

[padonok.71]

Thank you, I’m not strong in rocket launchers. And opposite the tank only 2 times came out. The first time he shot out of a fly and missed, and he left himself with a wall from the shot, stalled, stalled and stuck. And the second time the tank was not on the move, it was dragged with a matalyga, and he was shooting. While the matalyga was being dealt with, the "tankers" decided to give thrust and they were simply racked on the armor. But both times it was scary. So the anti-tank officer of me is awful.

[Prager]

good little thing turned out! well done, Tula!

[Bor]

Four Boers weigh less than one Hornet! Class!

[arslan23]

A simple and effective means of destroying buildings and manpower. Although I do not think that you can get out the window from 650 meters. It is rather an aiming range for infantry shots. Although with such a charge, I think even hitting the wall will be fatal for those inside. You can add some kind of guidance system, for example, using a laser beam, and you can shoot at the windows, but this is no longer a grenade launcher. And the price of the shot will of course immediately jump. Maybe there is some kind of cheap system for increasing accuracy without guidance heads? Who knows? Type of inertial? With such a system and high accuracy, the strength of this granotome will certainly increase.

[bubble82009]

Another universal charge to do. capable of burning through armor up to 100 mm or as a high explosive.

[Minigun]

In fact, it is necessary to prove its effectiveness, in YouTube I have not found more than one video of its tests

[Serovoleg2013]

I myself served in intelligence and had to run through the mountains in the second Chechen! So we would have such gimlets then! Bravo gunsmiths!

[aleksandrs95]

as for the mini-spike, it’s still an expensive piece of toy. For single shots. Here is our Drill completely different perspectives, mass, convenience, price (which would be nice to say in general terms) + a training simulator, has a lot of perspectives, everyone can really wear With a simultaneous salvo of 6-8 Boers, the effect will be very significant. Ideally, a compact, particularly accurate shot with a simple beam guidance system, for example, will not cost.

[kav669]

I think a good gimlet was made by Tula craftsmen. Compact and powerful with different charges.

[cosmos132]

Unfortunately, there is no launcher