Help instead of a military card for draft dodgers

The military commissar of the Penza region, Colonel Anatoly Sinelnikov told the media that now young people who have reached the age of 27, but did not serve in the army (other power structures) for disrespectful reason, will now be issued a special certificate. A sample of such help is a resource. PenzaInform.

As you know, before that, in Russia, the military commissariats in any case handed over a military ID, in which there were corresponding marks about conscription or non-recruitment. Now deviationists who, up to 27 years of age, were running from the staff of military registration and enlistment offices, will be handed a document bearing the following name “Certificate in exchange for military ID No. ...”.

Colonel Anatoly Sinelnikov emphasizes that such a certificate does not give her holder the opportunity to serve in government bodies or to be elected to certain institutions of state power.

According to representatives of the defense department of Russia, the emergence of such a document and the consequences of its receipt may contribute to the fact that civil liability among the draft dodgers will manifest itself, and they will no longer hide from the honorable duty to pay military debt to the Motherland.

Comments

[an-sar]

Rational decision!!!

[DRA-88]

It’s interesting, but the kids in power also get such certificates ?!

[enot73]

Help instead of a military card for draft dodgers

And what, have they already taken away alternative service in civilian life?

[DPZ]

alternatives are not runners!
although they would also like some kind of alternative warrior to invent

[dipqrer]

Children in power have "poor health".

[Ober.K]

Vladlen, the kids of those in power are evading on a "legal" basis!

[pest]

Children of those in power are serving in Krushevel :-)

[KBR109]

No. They will not serve all as one for a good reason ...

[Juborg]

These kids dad or mom will buy or give.

[INVESTOR]

But if there is a soldier and did not serve, they take to the Ministry of Internal Affairs or where else?

[korol yasheriz]

I think not

[persei]

What are you ... What are you !!!! They will receive military tickets with an article (flat feet)

[Lelek]

Quote: DRA-88

It’s interesting, but the kids in power also get such certificates ?!

And the children of those in power have dual and triple citizenship.

[bilibom]

Unlikely! They, perhaps with some (private) exceptions, and so do not serve.

[Weniamin]

This law is designed for the have-nots, or the have-nots. And the children in power have everything in chocolate. And the set of documents for life they will have in full, and even with duplicates.

[Number 17]

Correctly. I'm all for it. It's good to play counter-strike and tanks online. If you can be a man, join the army and prove to yourself what you are capable of. And girls need to change stereotypes to look not for a rich guy, but, first of all, for someone who has served.

[KBR109]

Well yes. Write a guide or instruction for the girls ...

[SRC P-15]

But isn’t it easier for a non-serving person, on a military card, on the cover, to make an obliquely wide, for example, black stripe? Or issue military cards in a different color?
Previously, those who were not serving were given a military ID, which was called white. I don’t know if he was really white, but rather not.

[Proud.]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

But isn’t it easier for a non-serving person, on a military card, on the cover, to make an obliquely wide, for example, black stripe?

Yeah ... Like- "Inclined to run away"

[23 region]

Quote: Be proud.

Yeah ... Like- "Inclined to run away

SUPER!!!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

But isn’t it easier for a non-serving person, on a military card, on the cover, to make an obliquely wide, for example, black stripe? Or issue military cards in a different color?

Transfer more money to special tickets! Not a fig! Up to 27 years, for 9 recruits can be served.
And the patient, then there’s nothing to climb into power, to lead or teach! Correctly !
Didn't serve - not a man, but a "little blue"! In, and print the help on paper with 2 blue stripes!

[revnagan]

Quote: Starover_Z

And the patient, then there’s nothing to climb into power, to lead or teach! Correctly !

Yes, stopitsot! Sparta, go ahead! Yes, and is it Sparta now? Do you have cerebral palsy? Did you have oncology? But you survived? Fig you, not a workplace! "Thank you for being alive?

[Starover_Z]

that such a certificate does not give its holder the opportunity to serve in government or to be elected to one or another government institution.

It does not say anything about a complete refusal of employment.

Quote: revnagan

Sparta, go ahead! Yes, and is it Sparta now? Do you have cerebral palsy? Did you have oncology? But you survived? Fig to you, not a workplace! "Thank you for being alive"?

With cerebral palsy and oncology give disability! Try with milder forms of expression of disability will be arranged by the director of the enterprise.

[revnagan]

Quote: Starover_Z

With cerebral palsy and oncology give disability!

They give. There was a 2nd group. I refused, it was impossible to get a job with the form.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or issue military cards in a different color?

Blue color.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the decision is reasonable, but not legal; first you need to amend the Constitution

[Revolver]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the decision is reasonable, but not legal; first you need to amend the Constitution

Let the lawyers decide that.

the appearance of such a document and the consequences of its receipt may contribute to the fact that civil responsibility among draft devotees will still manifest itself, and they will no longer hide from the honorable obligation to pay military duty to the motherland.

Civil liability threatened by repression? In my opinion, it is called somehow differently.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Nagan

Let the lawyers decide that.

you have to start from this

[Cossack Lee Hoy]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the decision is reasonable, but not legal; first you need to amend the Constitution

In the same Dagestan where there are normative acts of the Russian Federation and the constitution of the Russian Federation, a young person. who did not serve in the army for normal (not a janitor) work will not work anywhere, just the employer does not take over, plus the attitude towards those who did not serve, as in the Union (mentality features).

[Yeraz]

Quote: Cossack Lee Hoi

In the same Dagestan where there are normative acts of the Russian Federation and the constitution of the Russian Federation, a young person. who did not serve in the army for normal (not a janitor) work will not work anywhere, just the employer does not take over,

You do not confuse. Normal work there is only in state structures, power and other, and there you can earn money by bribes therefore they want a ticket. Since most in the Caucasus see themselves as the boss.

Quote: Cossack Lee Hoi

plus attitude towards those who did not serve, as in the case of the Union (mentality features).

Also a mistake. Not so long ago.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

this is another question, in the plane of human moral and ethical relationships
and here the question is about legal relations

[siberalt]

Business then! If you want to evade - pay MO at the established rate. How many times he avoided, so many times more pay. At the same time, to close all "deviators" deputies at all levels and service in state bodies and state. institutions as ignoring the sacred duty of their people. In the passport, make the mark "dodger", period!

[APASUS]

Quote: an-sar

Rational decision!!!

What does it give or what changes?
I tried to get a job in a serious office a couple of times and was very surprised when I was still starting to open my mouth, and I was interested in:
Served?
Yes.
Come in!
And only so! And then what this information will look like or what color it is - it's secondary!

[Andriuha077]

Quote: APASUS

gives or what changes?

Half solution. But the right direction.

does not give its holder the opportunity to serve in government or to be elected

Not enough!
Tax leverage needed:
Non-taxable baseaccording to military skills
confirmed by regular certification fees
(before 25, 45, after - the frequency of the respective quarter, half year, year).

[Siberian German]

it is right

[starshina78]

It is high time ! In my time, if a guy did not serve, then not a single girl would go for a walk with him. So he is sick! Well, if only there are good reasons for it. My wife said that the guy who was returned from the shipment for health reasons from their village, and remained single! None of the girls wanted to associate their lives with those who did not serve. Yes, and we guys didn't serve for the tadlo! As it is, all the friends served, some in Poland, some in the GSVG, some in Czechoslovakia, some in the Far East, and you did not serve! Now, dad and mom are to blame for the fact that there are deviators. "Oh, how can my son be there without mom and dad, who will feed him, who will wash," and so on. And the search for ways to smear it begins, for money, according to an acquaintance, they buy doctors. when my son came to serve (he found it for another two years), the only thing I did (because of the lamentations of my mother) was to arrange a service near my house, but immediately warned me that there were no trips home and no dates on the weekends. I deserve it - I went on leave, no - stay in the barracks! Pf two years - I was at home twice - after the oath, and on vacation.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: starshina78

Pf two years - was at home twice - after the oath, and on vacation.

And I have never.

[Mikhalych63]

And there would be an opportunity to DO so that he would not serve at all, would do ... At that time, even such Doing-ministry with the house was considered immoral, it would not be worth bragging at all, otherwise some kind of Pharisaism.

[DPZ]

I confirm: we did not look at those who did not serve. even in the cities!

[chunga-changa]

The cost of a military ticket will increase significantly.)

[jjj]

In the villages of the North, guys who were unfit for service were called WRONGS

[Mikhalych63]

Do not lie for all the people.

[Denis fj]

The arguments of those who agree with the decision of the main military department boil down to the need for young men to gain a certain life experience before they begin their careers and take high positions, especially in the civil service. In addition, military service is still seen by many as the duty of any man. "Every citizen must undergo military training. If this has not happened, he must be to some extent infringed on his rights (he cannot be elected to government bodies, cannot hold certain government positions, etc.)"; “We served, fought, but they don’t consider themselves part of Russia? So let them go around with the label“ I am a coward ”,” the respondents comment.
Opponents of the bill note that such a measure could provoke a wave of corruption in military enlistment offices. In addition, it is unreasonable to hang on everyone the same label “did not complete military service by conscription without good reason”, because the reasons for evading the army can be different. "The military enlistment offices will speculate on this"; "The sons of the right people will still get the right tickets"; "We need to switch to a contract army, and there will be no dodgers"; "My child is three years old, and I just can't get a place in kindergarten. Hence the question - why then should he serve?" - the respondents explain their position.
Almost a third of Russians (28%) found it difficult to unequivocally assess the initiative of the Ministry of Defense: “It's hard to say anything without reading the contents of the amendments”; "How does a certificate with the mark" did not serve "differ from the military ID with the mark" did not serve "?"
According to a recent study among representatives of Russian enterprises and organizations, 54% of HR managers, all other things being equal, would prefer to hire a job applicant who served in the army. According to their observations, retired employees are more disciplined and responsible, able to get along with the team and follow the rules of the company. 5% of respondents would prefer to accept a candidate who did not give up their military duty to their homeland. And 41% find it difficult to say exactly who they will give preference to, ceteris paribus - to the candidate who has passed or has not passed the army service

[papas-57]

Still, all the officers entrenched in the military enlistment offices should be sent to serve in the army.

[Giant thought]

The right decision, long ago.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Thought Giant

The right decision, long ago.

And you are not sorry at all for draft evaders who will be forced to buy military tickets with a mark on serving in the army of the Russian Federation? Indeed, now prices will rise very noticeably. Plus the fight against bribery. They, deviators, now have to go on foot, there’s not enough money for the car.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Thought Giant

The right decision, long ago.

Yes, it’s a useless decision. What do many see themselves in the public service ?? Yes, there is one private sector around. Many will say yes and do not care, I didn’t plan to go to the state structure as a manager and will receive 40 thousand and more bonuses and a lot of work.

Anyone who wants to serve will go.

The right decision would be, given the current influx of contract soldiers into the army, to make an official buy-out from the army. And the money to the treasury and contract soldiers is higher.

[freedom1970]

It is high time...

[Mountain shooter]

Not a mark on the forehead, but something like that. Or are you a citizen, or not really. Share.

[JIaIIoTb]

Analogue of the "wolf ticket". I approve.

[cerbuk6155]

It is high time. Approved.

[Tatar 174]

Born, raised, studied, health, if you can, be kind, give the country the debt of every man and therefore the defender of the Motherland, but do not want to serve the Motherland, get a certificate that he is not a man ...

[Signaller]

Oath of the Fatherland is the first thing. Therefore, it is necessary to do this. A man or not man is the tenth. The main thing you are going to serve ???

[Mikhalych63]

And women do not serve chtol?

[surovts.valery]

And they (with a certificate) will be on the military register and can be called up in the event of mobilization? Or as Sharikov: "I'll get registered, but I won't go to war!"

[Ruslan67]

Quote: surovts.valery

And they (with a certificate) will be on military records and can be called up in case of mobilization?

They’ll go to minefields instead of mine-clearing vehicles, otherwise they are too expensive

[Ezhaak]

Quote: surovts.valery

can be called in case of mobilization?

When mobilized, these will go to the regular infantry and in the order. Otherwise, talk on the laws of war. These are the first candidates for deserters and gunshots.

[saag]

he worked in the civil service, there were small salaries, and the management wanted a lot, Saturday half a day of workers, although you have nothing to do with it, for example, in general, there’s nothing good

[Bronik]

Those who did not want to serve, it’s really time to limit the ability to occupy certain positions in government agencies.

[Not served]

Somehow they were very late. As the saying goes, "the market has changed." I mean what and what to do for those who wanted to, but he was not taken, there are no places. The same Dagestanis and Chechens.

[Mama_Cholli]

Infa is out of date. Starting this year, Chechens, for example, will be drafted into the army.

[Mama_Cholli]

Infa is out of date. Starting this year, Chechens, for example, will be drafted into the army.

[Not served]

Only 500 people, this is not so much.

[IAlex]

It is a pity that he did not prepare a second piece of paper with the transition of the entire army to a highly paid contractual basis, because under capitalism the army should be a profession, not a slave service ...

[Company]

Well, not all at once, I’m glad that there are progress.

[IAlex]

This has already been talked about for about 10 years. And where is it all, they only reduced the service life in the army, to one year, in fact, they only trained the reservists, because during the year the soldiers did not know how to do anything normally. Yes, and a professional can become a normal only after 3-5 years, and then with constant improvement and interest ...
And so far no special progress is visible, only equipment is being bought and exercises are being carried out — this is disproportionately better than in the 90s, but disproportionately worse than in the USSR.

[quote]

for under capitalism the army should be a profession, not servile duty...
Well, that’s what you feel, that’s what you’ll be. And it doesn’t matter what structure. What kind of system is there in Israel? Probably even girls serve communism.

[IAlex]

You can feel whoever you want while you spend your life time without receiving material compensation for it - this is either a hobby or a form of exploitative slavery, and it does not matter what it covers ...

Interestingly, you gave an example of the Tsakhal, with their GDP, in addition to the normal content, they are also paid $ 200 per month, i.e. by Russian standards, the cost of living, but we generally get paid something. I'm not talking about the content?

[Serge Mikhas]

Well, that’s it. It can make ordinary guys think about their future. And whoever has the money or the offspring held power, everyone is completely sick, but not very ...

[poultopwar]

B \ r \ e \ d \ o \ b \ a \ i o \ s \ k \ o \ r \ b \ and \ t \ e \ l \ b \ n \ a \ i and \ d \ e \ i!

[DPZ]

So what? their behavior is humiliating! let them get a decent response.

[Company]

I would cover the exit for the cordon with such a document, but human rights activists will conquer.

[Signaller]

Get out. We've been waiting for a long time. I remember in the 80s in the Pratizan region. Announcement before the formation. : "Who did not pass the oath, two steps forward. ???", There were 10 people out of a thousand. Well, then immediately to the clamps and take the oath to the table. Any citizen of Russia must accept the PRISE, otherwise he is simply NOT ANYONE without a stick.

[saag]

Quote: Signaller

should swear oath

But a piquant case happened to me at the civil service, on the day when all civil servants were supposed to take the oath, they sent me in one case, and when I appeared this whole procedure was over :-)

[Vladimirets]

Quote: saag

But a piquant case happened to me at the civil service, on the day when all civil servants were supposed to take the oath, they sent me in one case, and when I appeared this whole procedure was over :-)

And what is the civil servant’s oath?

[saag]

Quote: Vladimirets

And what is the civil servant’s oath?

there is one :-)

[Vladimirets]

Quote: saag

there is one :-)

Well this explains everything.

[SAM 5]

such a certificate does not give its holder the opportunity to serve in government or to be elected to one or another government institution.

IMHO deviators are not going to go on to further service or be elected elsewhere. Nevertheless, the document is useful, because many employers are serious about the issue of service in the Armed Forces.

[Altona]

You can also squeeze the appropriate stamp in the passport - "I avoided military duty" ...

[Shornikov]

And when, instead of such a certificate, there was a conscience ...

[horoh]

Quote: poultopwar

B \ r \ e \ d \ o \ b \ a \ i o \ s \ k \ o \ r \ b \ and \ t \ e \ l \ b \ n \ a \ i and \ d \ e \ i!

No, it’s not crazy but right, there are only few restrictions. And then there are a lot of ambitions and show-offs, but the duty to give the homeland a point plays.

[VOLKHOV]

Other pieces of paper - "death notices" are now ordered by the Ministry of Defense in print runs of 10 and this with printers in parts for individual cases. So of the two certificates, many will choose the unofficial one.
Virtual fleet, Ukraine, Strategic Missile Forces, airfield services ... and the reason is not in protecting the homeland.

[bubla5]

Yes, everyone should be given who was not in the army, or change the name of the document to a non-military ticket

[vdtomsk]

Quote: Serge Mikhas

Well, that’s it. It can make ordinary guys think about their future. And whoever has the money or the offspring held power, everyone is completely sick, but not very ...

That's right (photo from a school in Beslan):

[DMB-75]

As the guys from the Workers 'and Peasants' families served, they will be so, and the sons of officials, as they were in the law, will not be so, wow .. nyuki These must be identified and stigmatized throughout the Internet.

[bubla5]

They have a duty station in the USA and England.

[corporal]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/113/popy572.jpg

[Grbear]

The document is quite in the spirit of the times - corrupt, bureaucratic. You just need to drill the WB, as before, right, six months before the deadline and the whole short . Cheap and cheerful. And not at the local military registration and enlistment office.

[koksalek]

It is necessary to create conditions so that young people themselves strive for service, but for now they are doing the opposite. Compare with the union, then powerful propaganda was and went and served, and now what? Again repression. And when did the whip change the attitude in the soul? Profanation. I thought that the prestige of the army was rising, and that’s what it was that they were being driven into the army with sticks. This approach has no future.

[rus-5819]

Quote: DRA-88

It’s interesting, but the kids in power also get such certificates ?!

Learn the story, citizens!
Hernia in Latin means "hernia", and it was this diagnosis that the good military doctors most often exposed to children of wealthy bourgeois who did not want to serve in the army. Every fifth urban draftee in Russia at the end of the XNUMXth century is working suffered garbage (to the peasants, garbage most often could not afford, and they were shaved much more actively).

[RomanKrylov]

And why does it turn out that we don’t serve must not (military duty all the same), (except for deferrals and / or exemptions),
and "run" until the age of 27 without explaining the reasons why he did not serve, and get a warrior or a certificate, not a deadline --- can?

[Yuri-Alekseevich]

Dmitry Anatolyevich also needs help.

[brother-in-law]

who served, serves, and who did not serve (slant) for the first second pay off.

ps. for myself - the first

[31rus]

I personally know two, one border guard, another customs officer, did not serve in the army, so there is no need to tell fairy tales and money to spend, currents need to be fought with the adoption of strict laws

[edeligor]

Order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation No. 495, BUT it is also noted there that if a citizen undergoes military training, he will be issued a military ID of the established form. I think this is wrong, if you Gad, evaded, answer without any mitigation ...

[ODERVIT]

Today I met a guy in a blue beret in the subway. It can be seen that he was discharged or came on vacation. I was very pleased that he was not ashamed of his form, but rather felt pride. At the same time, the form was without any demobilization gadgets. Okay, such a guy. For me, a veteran, this is very important.

[23 region]

Quote: ODERVIT

Today I met a guy in a blue beret in the subway. It can be seen that he was discharged or came on vacation. I was very pleased that he was not ashamed of his form, but rather felt pride. At the same time, the form was without any demobilization gadgets. Okay, such a guy. For me, a veteran, this is very important.

I would have seen such a clown. Would spit out.
"motorcycle sewing" troops.

[DPZ]

I saw about such at a train station like that. as many as 3 pieces. Well laughter and only !!!

[70BSN]

For a year they taught to sew !!!

[A1L9E4K9S]

Let the contempt befall the deviators, they are not men, but sex rags, such is my opinion.

[ando_bor]

Many do not understand this, now they do not call on everyone who is subject to the call, all are not needed.
A limited number is called up for urgency, about a third of the total number of recruits, a third have legal exemptions - they are really sick, they don’t call Caucasians, military cadets, a third are bought off - but why should I serve, issued for 3-5 average salaries, a slight degree of debility, or whatever flat-eyed with a squint and work wherever you want, well, maybe with the exception of state security officials, and then if there is no blat.
There is an urgent selection in the army, everyone is not needed there, but there is no selection system, or rather selection, that is, there is no holy place, but it is semi-criminal, through doctors and lawyers, or pure crime - bribes.
This situation greatly reduces the average level of recruits.
And there are not so many 200-250 thousand deviators for all 9 years of service, only 3-5% of conscripts are those who do not pay and do not go to serve.

[Fibrizio]

Well in state. organs schA s / n sad, so I think everyone will survive. But the train of thought is true.

[Grandfather Victor]

Blessed is he who believes!

[Bor]

There will be a slope from the army until the real prestige of the urgent army service returns to its previous level.
After all, there was such a time when the guys who did not serve in the army were scornfully looked in decent society and normal girls tried not to communicate with such people!

[Fibrizio]

It's not about shyness. Purely an example. Urgent service is paid at the rate of 35k per month. Money before the end of the service can not be withdrawn (well, that would not have been taken). Salary in Russia (please do not confuse with major cities) thousand 20. And here you serve for a year, and you have such loot at once. In the cities, of course, all do not give a shit, but the rest will run. You just need to explain to a person why he needs it. You deigned to build capitalism? So let's talk capitalistly and not socialistically. And then when Vanka needs something, we have capitalism, and as a state, you should. Decide, we do not have a social state, so as you give, so ask. No freebies.
And the incentive may not be material, but different. But it is desirable not to be "honorable" but rather useful in life.

[atos_kin]

In Nizhny Tagil there are more evaders
http://stagila.ru/ru/news/read/2754/stalo-bolshe-uklonyayuschihsya-ot-prizyiva

[extreme]

Aha, and on the forehead is scarred to do "deviator". And forbid marriage. So surely. In Penza, they apparently brought magic mushrooms from Amsterdam and the colonel fell for it. For evasion without a good reason, and so there is responsibility in the Civil Code. Few? Take the initiative to add, and do not talk nonsense .. It would be better to let the peasant look through the constitution and the Civil Code since he decided to speak. And then the clown turned out. And pretty lousy. It is necessary to create a positive patriotic and maybe even a little romantic image of the army and service in it. So that the guys were, as they say, "for the proud" to serve and "dumb" to mow. And, in general, with the appointment of Shoigu, this work began and very actively.

[would]

I apologize for my style, but as one Jew said, "In a brothel it is not the signboard that needs to be changed, but the girls." It's the same here. Whichever deceitful image is created, it will not work. It is necessary to change the content and very radically. We have tried several times already, but if we speak positively, the nichrome has not changed.

[would]

Well, firstly, the link simply leads to the main page of that site, and for some reason this official sitting in military uniform is absolutely nobody and cannot make such changes to federal legislation, or even the constitution. It smacks of fake.


The second point, this "certificate" smacks of frank delirium in the sphere of the statement of the military leadership of the federal level that there is a planned reduction in the recruitment of conscripts and their replacement by contract soldiers in the country. That is, the "call" (in quotes because it is not a call, but a military service) will become less, which is actually happening. And at the same time, the very leadership says, "but more is not necessary." Thus, a similar alignment is obtained: the "evader" is guilty of the fact that the state at the official level refused to call him. Cool, yeah.

they will no longer hide from the honorable obligation to pay military duty to the motherland.

As a "refusenik" I do not know of any such debt. I have the SACRED RIGHT to defend the Motherland and to work for the good of the Motherland, which I silently implement.

The state has debts (not to be confused with the Motherland) to the officers who were given killed housing with holes in the walls without heating, to the children of these officers who froze and did not receive medical assistance and often were born in the staphylococcus of the genus.house, to the wives of these officers who sobbed but tried to do everything for the child. I saw it all with my own eyes, experienced it, experienced it, albeit without loss, on my part. The state will never recognize these debts and even less will not compensate. Especially against the background of the fact that apartments for officers are beaten out with the help of lawyers and courts after a year or two of collecting certificates and their checks by officials.

I am silent about the state of that "army" and rather support those who deliberately do not go there. Even if everything goes well (and it is very often not so) why the heck do you play a ball with contractors for a whole year? Combat training is often not carried out, where it begins and ends with shooting in the field, which, to put it mildly, are insufficient for minimal preparation for a real battle. The meaning of a year from life to pull out for the sake of not understand why?

[wanderer_032]

I agree with you. Because service should be a service, and not aimless and stupid pastime.
Because the fulfillment of the tasks assigned to the Armed Forces, no one has canceled the law.
Military personnel, whether they are contract soldiers or conscripts, must first of all engage in combat training and be able to do everything that they are in the army, in the navy or elsewhere.
I recall the 90s and how the case was put where I happened to be, I can say for sure that it was anything but a service.
When I was in training and classes on fire training were conducted, for the entire full cycle of classes we were given three blank cartridges at a stadium in a sports camp.
When asked when there will be live shooting, they answered that there was nothing to drive you to the shooting range, there is no fuel for vehicles.
Before the service, I was trained at DOSAAF, where we were taken to the shooting range for the first practical lesson in fire training (shot with the TOZ-8 rifle), and for the second lesson we went to the shooting range where we fired live ammunition from AKS-74. Although they were also given three pieces, but they were classes in DOSAAF, and not in the military unit.
I still have confusion in my head when I remember that, the training at DOSAAF was organized and delivered better than in the part where I served.
You can also compare the training in the military specialty that I took at the DSAAF and the one that was given to us in the training.
At DOSAAF, teachers (retired SA officers, many of whom passed through Afghanistan) tried to give us the necessary knowledge in the mathematical part, both theoretical and practical, which would be useful to us in the future in the service. Those teachers who had military and other practical experience, willingly shared them (within the framework of the reasonable course, only what was relevant), for which I am still very grateful to them.
Even in the difficult 90s of the country's economy, we went through a program of driving the equipment on which we had to serve later. I studied in the specialty wheeled BM driver and cat. C driver, in the direction from the military enlistment office. That is, I received the level of knowledge and skills necessary for further service in the army in these specialties.
In the training, there was nothing of the kind. In the specialty in which I received the distribution in part (another senility of this system, because this specialty had nothing at all to do with the one I studied at DOSAAF), it was simply impossible to obtain solid knowledge and skills, since all training ultimately boiled down to one word: how you arrive at a permanent place of service, that's where you learn everything.
The question immediately arises, why ... was it send me to this tutorial, if there were still not going to teach anything there? Of all the time that I stayed there, they only drove us along the drill, but to household work. It was as if this could make cool specialists in military affairs of us. About this tutorial, even remember sickeningly.

[wanderer_032]

Separately, I would like to say about the work of these very "military enlistment offices", because the representative of one of them, as I think, simply wants to show himself as another "great smart guy" throughout the country.
So, recalling my personal experience, I can say that not in all, but in many "branches" of these essentially recruiting offices for the army, there are often people (if you can call them that at all) who have to be driven out of there with a nasty broom.
And you need to drive them before it's too late.
I will explain why. Not only have many military commissariats (from district to regional) turned military commissariats into a bazaar for document trading, but they are often often simply not able to hold such positions at all, because they generally do not understand this business and do not even try to delve into it.
I can say for sure based on my personal experience.
Because after completing training at DOSAAF (and in the direction from the regional military registration and enlistment office) in the field of specialties, a wheeled BM driver, a driver of a troop carrier in cat. S, I was sent not to serve in motorized rifle troops or where people with such specialties were needed, but sent to naval units of the border troops in the UZ where they were supposed to prepare me by the decision of the commission of this UZ in the specialty of a ship electrician.
Question. Where is the logic?
I studied at DOSAAF for six months (consider the same training) and the state paid money for my training (I don’t know what, but money). And now the state again had to pay money for my training, in a completely different specialty (and this is not even profile retraining) and spend time both mine and mine (another six months), waiting until when I nevertheless get into operation and begin even really do something.
They may object to me, they say there was an overabundance of people with such specialties, etc., etc. All this is complete crap. I can absolutely say that at that time (and this was the 99th year), people with such specialties in the motorized rifle troops (and in general in the ground forces) and who had at least some training and little experience were lacking.

Based on all of the above, I can say that certificates of this kind should be issued to such ragged military commissars and many full-time employees of military commissariats recruited from civilians, and not draftees.
Because they themselves inflict more damage on the sun than some 18/20 (with kopecks) year old "green" and little else who understands anything in life.

[Serge]

Another nonsense generals. Instead of building a professional contract army, they continue to fight for slave conscription, which gives nothing but a gratuitous labor force. I myself served 2 years honestly, quit the foreman, a specialist of the 1st class, recently 2 of my nephews served. One in Kaliningrad worked for a year as a laborer in a port, loaded a coal. The second got to the tank unit in Siberia, and here he is the driver of the tank, not only that he didn’t learn how to drive the tank normally, he was constantly doing work. Well, such an appeal is needed. It is necessary to cook professional, and not cannon fodder, and even more so to defame the guys for a kind of deviation.

[pvv113]

young people who have reached the age of 27 but have not served in the army (other law enforcement agencies) for a disrespectful reason will now be issued with a special certificate

They are not issued certificates, but imprisoned for the entire period of evading the army

[colonel manuch]

And I liked the innovation, let my whole life run a print every six months in the VK department, ask for leave from work and only PERSONALLY!

[would]

Since you liked the innovation so much, are you ready to change the country to the one where this innovation is possible? * subtle hint * Well, at the same time, to become a tester himself, so to speak.

[pvv113]

Quote: pvv113

young people who have reached the age of 27 but have not served in the army (other law enforcement agencies) for a disrespectful reason will now be issued with a special certificate

They are not issued certificates, but imprisoned for the entire period of evading the army

I understand that minusanul is a deviator who penetrated into VO?

[would]

Most likely, a man who knew that the Ministry of Defense formally calls only part of the recruits minusanul, and the rest until the age of 27 are never called up.

[pvv113]

The conversation is not about those who were not called up, but about those who by any means evaded the call

[would]

Only the news says nothing about this. It says that ALL people who have not completed military service and do not have medical evidence for this will receive this certificate. The news is definitely fake, but the essence is easy to read.

[hard]

Every man is obliged to learn how to use a weapon. In our time (served 1983-1985) it was considered a bastard to dismiss the army for no good reason.

[would]

The training course for working with AK is 7-10 hours, during which even the Papuans will learn more or less to shoot from it.

Accordingly, if you want to own a weapon, it is more efficient to buy a gun at the age of 18 and "work" with it. Practice shows that such a "slant" knows how to handle weapons incomparably better than a conscript, and if the conscript has not yet undergone combat training (and this often happens because he was not called up for that) then there is nothing to talk about.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: rait

The training course for working with AK is 7-10 hours, during which even the Papuans will learn more or less to shoot from it.

Accordingly, if you want to own a weapon, it is more efficient to buy a gun at the age of 18 and "work" with it. Practice shows that such a "slant" knows how to handle weapons incomparably better than a conscript, and if the conscript has not yet undergone combat training (and this often happens because he was not called up for that) then there is nothing to talk about.

That's for sure. And those who broke here for the service more than anyone, most likely served like this:

[atamankko]

They have been waiting for a long time.

[Zomanus]

Another would be to create a structure that would allow you to get a VUS in a civilian, like a driving school. You want to be a motorized rifle, the lowest category. And then the radio operator, machine gunner, gunner ... Everything is paid.

[Mama_Cholli]

To the Kosyrs from the army - deserving ...

[anip]

Quote: an-sar

Rational decision!!!

Will kids and all sorts of "effective top managers" also receive such a certificate?
Or will these kids buy a military ticket?

Colonel Anatoly Sinelnikov emphasizes that such a certificate does not give her holder the opportunity to serve in government bodies or to be elected to certain institutions of state power.

The children of the workers and peasants do not care about this certificate, they will not be allowed to come near these state bodies and authorities anyway.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: anip

The children of the workers and peasants do not care about this certificate, they will not be allowed to come near these state bodies and authorities anyway.

To the very point.

[aniza]

Quote: KBR109

Well yes. Write a guide or instruction for the girls ...

In drawings

[70BSN]

Yes, I understand when it was 2 years and there was severe hazing!!! Many were simply afraid of getting p...s, but now why be afraid of 1 year of service with a salary of 3 rubles and many other pleasures they have country

[70BSN]

Quote: Bor

There will be a slope from the army until the real prestige of the urgent army service returns to its previous level.
After all, there was such a time when the guys who did not serve in the army were scornfully looked in decent society and normal girls tried not to communicate with such people!

Bor, you are talking about a double-edged sword here. Girls are like that now too, give THEM ALL a sweet and beautiful life and they don’t look at how handsome or decent you are who served there, the main thing is what you have financially.
And let those who do not join the army ALWAYS CELEBRATE “March 8”, let them buy flowers for themselves and for the girls !!!!

[Dragon-y]

Quote: IAlex

This has already been talked about for about 10 years. And where is it all, they only reduced the service life in the army, to one year, in fact, they only trained the reservists, because during the year the soldiers did not know how to do anything normally. Yes, and a professional can become a normal only after 3-5 years, and then with constant improvement and interest ...
And so far no special progress is visible, only equipment is being bought and exercises are being carried out — this is disproportionately better than in the 90s, but disproportionately worse than in the USSR.

It depends on what “under the USSR”...
It happened in 1987. work at a radio station made in the 60s, and spend the winter at -40C in a wooden KUNG with a wood-burning (standard) stove in the absence of firewood, the only tools for preparing it are a sledgehammer...
So I hope that now no one will have to spend the winter like this.
It’s probably possible to prepare a motorized rifle in a year. But a year may not be enough for a specialist. No, he will learn to press buttons/pull handles, but to do it consciously...

[would]

So no one sets the goal of training conscripts. Their job, as a rule, is to maintain military property for a pittance. They are preparing contract soldiers.

[Michael]

And yet, the certificate is the right direction in the fight against draft evaders

[alberticus]

Think about it, guys.

There is a conscript. Called up for a year. He is fed, watered, clothed, provided with housing, trained, offered to ride in a tank and shoot with an AK! They also wrote here that they also give you a salary!

Explain how much money he uses to have fun there? Who pays for the annual "resort"?

I have. I have been engaged in entrepreneurial activities all this year. He gave people salaries. Paid taxes. Didn't serve. A draft dodger for 2 years. After all this, they give me a certificate saying that, they say, you are living wrong, you have a certificate + a new law stating that I cannot continue to work in a state-owned company. Well, that is, they took and limited my rights. For life. Even criminals are given the opportunity to work in the public sector after some time.

Of course, I’m not saying that all my taxes went to this fellow conscript. BUT! There are people who create real useful products and services. And someone lives on support for a whole year without creating anything.

Here everyone is furiously arguing that this army is “prestige”! What's the prestige, guys? Or do I have the wrong value system?