From Iveco to Bobcats

From Iveco to Bobcats



Car protected "Lynx" (IVECO 65E19WM).
The car is intended for use as a means of providing rolling stock and performing tasks of service and combat activities of different types of troops and law enforcement agencies, as well as the transport base of the carrier of light weapons systems, communications and military equipment.



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In 2008, an agreement was reached between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, KAMAZ OJSC and IVECO (Italy) to conduct joint work on determining the possibility of using the IVECO army vehicles in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
In the period from 2009 to 2011, in order to assess the compliance of the main tactical and technical characteristics of prototypes of all-wheel drive IVECO 65E19WM (LMV) armored vehicles with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, two vehicles derived from Italy were tested.



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In the process of testing, a set of laboratory, laboratory and road works and road tests were carried out in accordance with the program approved in the established manner.
The tests were carried out on the basis of the scientific and technical center of KAMAZ OJSC and the Federal State Institution 21 NIII MO RF of Bronnitsy. At the request of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the IVECO 65E19WM (LMV) car was named “Lynx”.
The sensational video, where IVECO on the virgin snow lags behind Russian armored cars, is simply explained. Initially, cars that were not adapted for use in the Russian Federation were purchased with a wide front bumper, which did not include snow protection and chains on wheels, which are available on similar vehicles of the armies of Norway and Austria. A wide bumper when driving in deep snow created the effect of a heel, pushing a snowdrift ahead of IVECO, which led to a significant slowdown. The car was not stuck, but it was going hard, jerking.
Today, for snowy areas, incl. and for Russia, the cars are equipped with a special protection of the engine tray, which simultaneously performs the functions of a snow divider, the design of the bumper has been changed.

According to the results of the tests, conclusions were made with the issuance of recommendations for additional special tests to determine the protective properties when exposed to the damaging factors of modern weapons.
Also, at the request of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, the Italian side made the following improvements:
- 1 alternator on 240A at ​​28В instead of 2 alternators on 110 A at 28В is applied;
- installed 24-volt electrical equipment with DC / DC (DC) converters on 12 V;
- battery protection against stones;
- an additional combined heater was installed for engine heating in the cold season with a rated thermal power ≥8kW, also applicable for cabin heating;
- to improve the climatic conditions in the cabin, added an additional diesel heater with a rated thermal power of ≥2kW, intended for heating the cabin and installed in the rear part of the body;
- on the hood there are two additional brackets for the antenna;
- a shortened bumper with fog lamps in the upper part and a triangular towing device as a front bumper;
- set protection from snow in the front bottom;
- applied towing device in the rear with an increased towing angle;
- an additional socket for connecting electrical equipment when towing a car;
- Increased the width of the footpegs to 180mm;
- increased the maximum load on the annular support in the hatch (on the roof) to 200 kg;
- Increased the maximum load on the roof to 300kg .;
- Changed the design of the seats in the part of the replacement of the covering material;
- installed a power distribution unit in the cab with branching connectors (12 / 24 B) for connecting consumers;
- installed ceiling lamps for lighting the stairs and the lamp lighting the commander to work in the blackout mode;
- a bracket for a multi-element antenna (in the form of a spoiler) is installed in the rear part of the cargo compartment;
- The vehicle includes elements (air intake and exhaust pipe element) to overcome the ford;
- exterior coloring of the car is green according to RAL 6014;
Additionally included in the car following parts:
- carbon dioxide fire extinguisher
- triangular towing device
- electric winch
- spare wheel
- anti-skid chains
- a set of tools and pullers
- manual
- service book
- maintenance and repair manual.

Russian IVECO testers note a very convenient automatic tire pressure regulating device, which can be changed by simply pressing buttons according to road conditions, without leaving the cab. The car seats are very comfortable for the crew, for example, they have special notches for body armor, which take on the weight of the armor and unload the shoulders of soldiers. Head protection against shaking while driving and the impact of a shock impulse during undermining is reliably provided by a special head restraint. The installed seats are equipped with five-point safety belts with a quick release lock. In addition, the design of the seats suspended from the inner frame, as well as special pallets under the feet of the crew, significantly reduce the effect of dynamic loads during blasting on a mine.



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The company IVECO regularly confirms the high class of protection of your car. Over the 10 years of operation, 28 demonstration explosions at landfills were carried out and around 10 vehicles were blown up by the enemy in combat. The only time that people died was 26 June 2011 of the year, when the Spanish Army's armored car was blown up by militants in Afghanistan. Despite the fact that the power of the side explosion was measured 120 kg in TNT equivalent (which is tens of times higher than the stated resistance under blasting), only two people from the crew died, and three more were injured, but survived.
The car is specially designed so that when undermined the car under no circumstances turned over and overturned, which is achieved by a special form of the bottom.
In IVECO wheels there are special anti-mine inserts and a substance that pulls holes, which allows the vehicle to maintain mobility during detonation on light anti-personnel mines and shelling from small arms.

In the period from 07 to 12 in March 2011, together with experts from the Russian Ministry of Defense and OJSC KAMAZ, special tests were carried out to determine the protective properties when exposed to damaging factors at sites in Germany in Ulm (ballistic tests) and Schrobenhausen (explosive tests) modern weapons.
The head of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the General Director of KAMAZ OJSC, the chief designer of KAMAZ OJSC and other representatives of the defense department and the military industry attended the tests.
For two days, Russian specialists conducted specialized IVECO shelling of B-32 armor-piercing incendiary bullets using a 7,62x54 ballistic barrel. It is from such ammunition manufacturer guaranteed full protection for the third level STANAG 4569 (it corresponds to the Russian 6 class of ballistic protection according to GOST R 50963-96). The shelling was carried out from different distances to various places of the car: the joints of armored plates, the edges of the glass, in order to find vulnerabilities. On the first day, 150 shots were fired, on the second, on the order of 60. No breakthrough was achieved.
Then, two IVECO car explosions were carried out: under the front left wheel and under the bottom.
The first day 6.4 kg of TNT was used as an explosive device. The process of detonation was filmed from different angles by several video cameras, which were installed, including inside the car. On the driver's seat there was a special mannequin completely imitating the human body.
I was shown several videos, one of which was allowed to put on the Internet.


The explosion destroys the front suspension, severely damages the engine, but the armored capsule is intact. The hatch is intentionally designed to swing open during an explosion and thereby protect the crew from excessive pressure. Inside the car, damage is limited to an offset steering column (there was no contact with the driver) and plastic chips from the front panel.
Inspection showed that the dummy driver, who was closest to the explosion point, was not injured, only a flying piece of a panel slightly torn his pants and cut his leg below the knee. The sensors record that there was no excess of the overload limit for the human body.



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On the second day, two shell explosives were exploded under the passenger seat to the right of the driver’s seat and under the rear right seat. The explosion destroyed a V-shaped steel mine-mine defense suspended on the silent blocks, but the bottom of the armored capsule was only slightly swollen. Breakthrough did not happen.

How did the Italian manufacturer achieve this result? Protection technology involves the creation of a separate armored capsule for the habitable compartment, which is equipped with a ceramic ballistic protection attached to the metal frame, standard armored panels and armored glass. The ribs are a special tubular frame.



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• Red - ballistic protection
• Gray - armored glass
• Green - standard panels
• Blue - metal frame



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The explosion energy is gradually extinguished by ceramic protection, a two-layer bottom, frame struts, a roof, and a suspension system. The seats of the crew members of the vehicle through the suspension system receive a significantly weakened impulse of acceleration, which does not exceed the medical overload rate for a person.



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The tests have confirmed the compliance of IVECO 65E19WM (LMV) vehicles with the requirements established by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for their protective properties when exposed to the damaging factors of modern weapons.
After eliminating the deficiencies and conducting a special examination, the Ministry of Defense made a decision on the preparation of the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation “On the adoption of an IVECO 65E19WM (LMV) vehicle for the supply of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation” and the purchase of an experimental-industrial batch of vehicles for military tests in the Armed Forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
In April 2011, the first batch of IVECO 10 machines in the form of assembly kits (rear compartment, steps, heater, hood, winch, spare tire, ford overcoming kit - separate from the car) arrived from the factory (Bolzano, Italy) in the Scientific -technical center of KAMAZ Inc., where they were assembled. Grade was the following:
- four cars with a winch, with an installed spare wheel and a set of anti-slip chains, mounted on the wheels when driving along the snow-covered snow.



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- six cars without a winch, without anti-slip chains and with technological installation of a spare wheel



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At present, the “Lynx” car batch (IVECO 65E19WM (LMV)) is undergoing operational (military) tests in the units of the Russian Ground Forces.
At the request of the GABTU MO of the Russian Federation, KAMAZ OJSC has developed a folding arrow protection design in the form of a rotatable rotating turret, which is installed on the roof and can be supplied both with Lynx vehicles and other products.



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In addition to the five-seater version of the car there is a six-seater. In the standard motorized rifle department there are seven people (commander, gunner, artillery gunner, gunner, gunner, rocket launcher, gunner-assistant gunner, driver), but given that the Lynx does not need gunner artillery gunner (his functions will be performed by the machine gunner), the staff offices on this armored car will fully correspond to the number of seats in the car.



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Further continuation of cooperation between the Russian Ministry of Defense and IVECO will depend on the results of military tests and on the feedback from the units operating the vehicles.
In the future, at the stage of government negotiations, the issue of the production of “Lynx” vehicles on the territory of the Russian Federation with partial localization of the production of components is being considered. KAMAZ OJSC will assist the structure that will produce the Lynx car in Russia, but the enterprise itself is not interested in the production of this car. The final decision on the assembly company will be made by the State Corporation "Russian Technologies".
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  1. runway 10 August 2011 10: 14 New
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    The next corruption project of the feldmebel. It is enough to get acquainted with the comparative characteristics of our "Tiger" and this Italian tin. Our hand guides gave the field maker a full carte blanche. Anyone who thinks that at the same time, they do not have their own fat, that is a very naive person!
    1. WADIM
      WADIM 10 August 2011 11: 46 New
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      Troll
      1. SergeySK 9 February 2012 02: 14 New
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        It means that the blizzard to bear about the contract with the Italians and the rejection of the “Tiger” here has already become a good form!

        The realities are different! ! !

        You can find an interview with a representative of the RF Ministry of Defense on the Izvestia website

        I recap!

        MO requires 5000 machines of this type of "Lynx" under the contract will be produced about 1500 pcs.

        No one refused the Tigers after the modernization of the assembly line in 2013, they will be able to produce 500 units a year!
        That is, the remaining 3500 will do 7 years just before the end of the rearmament of the army in 2020!

        On IVECA, as I understand it, the headquarters boss wants to sit down!
  2. Max79 10 August 2011 10: 57 New
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    But you couldn’t buy 2-3 prototypes, shoot them, blow them up, take them apart, run them in, put them together, find out how, what is twisted, done and made your own?! And do not buy all this! In other words, as many countries do, First of all, the Chinese!? Why do we need dependence on the same Italy ??????
    1. runway 10 August 2011 19: 01 New
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      Vova is friends with Silvio AND VOVA - RULIT !!! !!! ....
    2. Klibanophoros 10 August 2011 21: 46 New
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      It’s impossible, any normal person can’t sell it, just order a couple of hundred, then yes. This is not Russia, which sold 90 Sukhoi to China in the 20s, and now resents the “clone attack” ...
  3. figwam 10 August 2011 11: 44 New
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    Grenade launcher no difference, ceramics are not ceramics.
    1. Rustam 13 August 2011 00: 30 New
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      I agree, the tank may not resist against it, BUT !!!!!!!!!
      the aiming range of the grenade launcher is 400 meters, there will be only one shot at the grenade launcher, they simply won’t give him more (and the fact of whether it hits a moving target may miss)
      to the same place before the shot in (mostly) he should go to close range - AT THIS MOST BECOME A TARGET !!! NOT many of the NF want to die like that

      and he laid a landmine in advance without noise and dust, set up his cell phone and all sit far away for cover in one hand, the video camera in the other hundred (the threat to life is minimal)

      THAT WHY THE RUSSIAN ARMY NEEDS BEFORE THE WHOLE MACHINE WITH EXCELLENT ANTI-SECURITY PROTECTION

      -Do not want to post but look
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ3A17GKOMA - ЧЕЧНЯ

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZMMdjGjfOA&feature=related - ИРАК
  4. Rustam 10 August 2011 12: 17 New
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    piston
    The next corruption project of the feldmebel. It is enough to get acquainted with the comparative characteristics of our "Tiger" and this Italian tin
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    You say tin ??? And now, to our tigers, You can see right away that the person was processed by custom-made articles of the military industrial company (they did not spare the funds for slandering and praising the tiger)

    go
    1-you know, dear soul man, that until recently we didn’t have a guest to undermine, in the west there is their technique too. having passed such tests

    Now the Ministry of Defense is trying to introduce a guest to undermine, but the VPC is RESISTANT AND RESPOND TO ITS INTRODUCTION, WHY ????? WHY I ask yes because half of the samples will not pass it (they don’t give a damn about the people die, let them become rings

    At the beginning of 2, the 2011-Russian Ministry of Defense of Russia suggested that the GAZ and iveco group pass a test for undermining and firing B-32 armor-piercing incendiary bullets, AND WHAT DO WE SEE THAT ??? IVECO passed the tests, and the GAZ group refused them (NAOTREZ) - and it was they who were offered to exhibit them TIGER-M

    SAME AS SAME STEEL HOUSING AND SAME ARTICLES ABOUT TIGER CHALES
    maybe enough already - or do competitive equipment or smoke bamboo
    1. runway 10 August 2011 17: 14 New
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      Before blaming others for bias, it would be nice for you, my dear man, to get acquainted with the information on these two cars, which is in front of your nose!
      But you are so stubbornly upholding this obviously corrupt project, giving clearly rotten arguments that your hints of concern for our fighters show very clearly that you, dear man, are a complete ignoramus.
      I want to support MAX79 in the sense that there were no comparative tests of the two machines in full, but not through the fault of our manufacturers, but at the behest of our Moscow Region, which has already signed the contract!
      So, Rustam, calm down, the MO will continue to take care of our guys. Smoke bamboo.
      1. Rustam 10 August 2011 17: 26 New
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        answer me WHY the GAZ group REFUSED TO TEST ?????

        this is defining !!! and you can talk and exhibit technical specifications on beautiful stands
        1. runway 10 August 2011 18: 23 New
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          Rustam, do you work for GAZ? Or did Serdyukov tell you about this? Do you really think that GAZ is inferior to this Italian tin in terms of cross-country ability, degree of protection, ergonomic indicators, and armament?
          You can continue to defend your point of view. God help you. But this is not required. For you everything has already been decided in the MOE WITHOUT COMPLETE COMPARATIVE TESTS !!!! CREEP? The contract was signed BEFORE the production was outraged, why the Moscow Oblast is purchasing weapons that are still unsettled and of lower quality than we have.
          I believe this position of the Defense Ministry is agreed with the leadership of our country, which is currently pursuing a policy on the privatization of defense industry production. Can you imagine, Rustam, what kind of money is this? Now guess who will be the owners of these enterprises.
          When you digest it all, I’m sure that smoking bamboo will make you want to.
          1. WADIM
            WADIM 11 August 2011 13: 09 New
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            I agree with Rustam and not with you piston!
            1. runway 11 August 2011 16: 01 New
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              There is such a concept as "departmental commission." Moscow Region set the manufacturer’s condition that he would create his own “departmental commission” for conducting comparative tests, without including representatives of manufacturers and the press. What do you think, what conclusions will be made by such a commission, regardless of the test result. Moreover, an Italian supply contract has already been signed?
  5. Rustam 10 August 2011 12: 31 New
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    undermining iveko lynx-http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = rJcEia1CM1E
    GAZ group is afraid of a blast like fire !!!! they were also offered to undermine the BTR-82a, but they also refused, but having twisted the arms of the RF Ministry of Defense, they secured an order for 200 units of GOZ - THAT'S WHY THE DEFENSE IS LOOKING FOR A NEW APC IN THE WEST (pretenders are Italians, French Germans) their equipment was tested for bombing and shelling



    thread of discussions in other forums, people who begin to understand are becoming more and more
    http://vpk.name/news/56008_bmd4m_poteryalas_vo_vremeni.html

    http://twower.livejournal.com/611921.html

    so here on this topic is closed
  6. figwam 10 August 2011 12: 48 New
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    Was there any fuel during the explosion?
    In urban conditions they will hit the hatch from above, then there is no chance.
    It is necessary to install a system of protection against shells and missiles, like on tanks, then be saved real.
    1. Rustam 10 August 2011 13: 07 New
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      dear figv-look at the discussion thread on this forum, the man was afraid of guided missiles there he explained in detail the realities of our days
      http://vpk.name/news/56008_bmd4m_poteryalas_vo_vremeni.html




      PS-With the GAZ group and others, you can talk or discuss something only after checking their products for undermining and firing from different sides (at the STANAG 3 level) - but they refuse under any pretext-they dig a hole for themselves
      1. figwam 10 August 2011 14: 48 New
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        I had the same questions as on this branch. Protection from undermining is required, but protection from shells and missiles is necessary for this. As soon as it’s clear to the enemy that you can’t take the armor with a land mine, he will use RPGs.
        About the test of undermining and shelling. I agree with you, that all armored vehicles must pass such tests before entering the army. If this is not the case, then this is a crime.
        1. Rustam 10 August 2011 15: 10 New
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          I don’t want to repeat on the branches of other forums the answer is, guided missiles are very expensive and their use is limited, and you can assemble a bomb from improvised materials
          the Russian army in the Caucasus, the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan faced a mine war of illegal groups, the use of guided weapons is minimal !!!!! this is the main problem facing our army and the army of other countries

          once again video of the lynx bombing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcEia1CM1E
          1. figwam 10 August 2011 15: 21 New
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            Then this machine must be adopted by the internal troops, for the army they are rather weak.
    2. WADIM
      WADIM 11 August 2011 13: 13 New
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      you yourself think it ... that he alone will go to hell? ETOGES you are not a tank !!! just a bobik, compare the occupation class of cars for police operations ... for example, in Chechnya or Dagestan, if the enemy’s coordinates are known, they will go there in a tank with cover ....
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 11 August 2011 13: 20 New
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        I agree, for this class of vehicles - the main thing is resistance to landmines and shelling from light stacked weapons, well, a maximum of a fly. You need to go to the reading room WADIM on the bat and the tank. And this machine should bring the fighters and equipment to the point of the beginning of the operation and wait for them there and climb onto the ground like a tank.
  7. makrus
    makrus 10 August 2011 16: 13 New
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    Yes, here only our Moscow Region becomes a hostage to the financial situation in Italy, and it is not known how it will end. Holds a blast. Well, let's put a plus, but the minuses are just as serious http://topwar.ru/2875-tigr-protiv-rysi.html I won’t say anything about the guests, but here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v = pZC0fhNZ0Q8 & NR = 1 uncle explains about kiramika + foreign car MUCH MORE ROAD
    Quote: Rustam
    -see the discussion thread on this forum, a man was afraid of guided missiles, he was explained in detail to the realities of our days
    THANKS, WITH FUN I READ VERY INTERESTING.
    1. Rustam 10 August 2011 17: 56 New
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      MARKUS darling about - but the cons are just as serious - I read this article in 2010 - and my opinion was 60 to 40 in favor of the lynx
      but after new facts (refusal to test), the whole tiger in this form does not exist for me as a unit, by the way, thanks to cooperation with Iveco, KAMAZ ojsc did TYPHOON and it pleases me the most

      THANKS, I READ VERY INTERESTINGLY WITH PLEASURE — yes, for this we are discussing and talking, and if anything, we admit it is not good (my position is that if I am convinced that I am wrong, I always agree that I was wrong and wrong)
      1. remez
        remez 10 August 2011 21: 36 New
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        Rustam,
        I just don’t understand what you so dear grasped to prove that this is the best example ??????????? and what in all your answers give the same link,? on it che spread with honey ???
        and just do not matter what our technology is, we only need to buy domestic equipment in series for our structures, and not Italian and French, otherwise it threatens the final stupidity of our designers, and the collapse of our defense industry, up to the loss of sovereignty !!!!! !!!!!!!!!
        1. Esso 12 August 2011 11: 23 New
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          11th August. The idea to localize in Russia the production of Italian armored vehicles LMV M65 under the brand name "Lynx" is close to failure. The main manufacturer of this car, the KamAZ automobile concern, has left the program. Experts believe that the decision is connected with foreign components, for which the plant does not and will not have a license.
          Here's the answer. That Iveco, Lynx is another Italian piece of iron. It’s not worth taking. If this car is undermined. The crew will be injured and will not be able to get out of the car. Dear Rustam, you believe some kind of video, you are terribly naive. RPGs were fired (the first samples were tested in Chechnya) when the crew remained intact, and I recall Iveco’s crew completely died. This is a commercial deal. There is no increase in the security of our soldiers. Ceramic armor is disposable. It can be used and they refuse.
      2. WADIM
        WADIM 11 August 2011 13: 25 New
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        I read about the typhoon ... I liked it too ..., but I still think the occupation machine should be with a hood (like URAL) .... as they say 2 meters of life ...
  8. datur 10 August 2011 20: 14 New
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    the advertisement is engine of the trade..
  9. slan
    slan 10 August 2011 23: 28 New
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    Something tells me that increasing the Tiger's mine protection, if it is really insufficient, will be much simpler than making a pasta car drive off-road. What kind of circus chain did they forget with spoilers?)))
    KG / AM
    And where can I read about that notorious REFUSAL TO TEST?
    Maybe it would be necessary to allocate money for these tests? No?
    Rustam, why are you so drooling over people, in the absence of funding, creating something else?
    Can you answer why the MO did not conduct these tests? Are they embarrassed without GAZ’s permission?
    1. Esso 12 August 2011 11: 35 New
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      This is all a commercial deal. Rumor has it that they will not join our army, and we will produce and sell them ourselves to China. It's all about the money.
  10. slan
    slan 11 August 2011 00: 06 New
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    The only time that people died was recorded on June 26, 2011, when the armored car of the Spanish army was blown up by militants in Afghanistan. Despite the fact that the power of a side explosion was measured at 120 kg of TNT (which is ten times higher than the declared resistance to undermining), only two crew members were killed, and three others were injured, but survived
    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/06/28/they-were-among-the-finest-we-have/
    Four corpses after the explosion of Iveka. It would be strange when it was otherwise, however.
    The article is a complete lie.
    By the way, how many grams of explosives were laid under the bottom? Under a wheel of 6 kg, what was modestly silent about the main thing? At what distance do you need to blow 120 kg so that at least something remains from this bullshit?
  11. datur 11 August 2011 11: 18 New
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    slan, yes, brother, you're right at 120 kg of TNT from the Italian, only the nameplate would remain. but now it has become so customary, glavnyuki said all our ha ..... oh that means it is, but import is super. at the same time they buy according to the formula they need. because if import, then let them compare different samples. after all, there are other firms and machines more worthy and proven in business and not like this. and that’s interesting and reasonable. but these goats do not care about us and the life of a soldier - their main pocket.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 11 August 2011 11: 56 New
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      Usually this amount of explosives can not be put under the asphalt, most likely on the side of the car or a bunch of garbage. The peculiarity of the propagation of a blast wave (if it is not amplified by heavy fragments) is that the rate of extinction of the explosion energy is not proportional to the distance and there the exponential dependence. Roughly speaking, if even a tank is likely to be disabled in a meter from such a pile of TNT, then at a distance of 5-7 meters even a passenger car will not be completely destroyed, especially an armored one. Because the power of explosives does not really determine much, the most important thing is the distance to the target. For example, 1 kilogram of TNT at a distance of 5 meters does not cause critical harm to humans, except of course the abundant release of adrenaline in your pants. but in 2 meters it will grind to mincemeat.
  12. Joker
    Joker 11 August 2011 11: 23 New
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    Campaign case "translation difficulties."

    It was probably about 120 grams (but very powerful) ..

    lol
  13. datur 11 August 2011 11: 32 New
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    Jokerprobably the most powerful 120 wink
  14. PSih2097 13 August 2011 00: 49 New
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    No, a beautiful car, on KAMAZ to make a civilian version, it will be bought worse than a hummer ...
  15. Rustam 15 August 2011 12: 56 New
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    to the wolf and the tiger, they gave a chance (I was waiting for this), finally we decided and went to the test, there’s nowhere to retreat, we can stay with our bare back

    The military-industrial company (which owns AMZ), which is preparing a competitor to the Italian armored car, is part of the Russian Machines holding owned by Oleg Deripaska.

    Most recently, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was shown the “Tiger-6A” with armor that would protect it from a Dragunov sniper rifle, and increased mine protection.



    The new "Tiger" was the answer to the Italian armored vehicles IVECO
    “This is our answer to IVECO,” they say at the enterprise, “in line-up the machine is similar to Iveco, but there is a real 6th class of protection. Not like where rubber tabs stand between the armor panels, it's not like a bullet - an arrow will fly by! In our 6th grade this is not.

    Experts are sure that the Ministry of Defense made a political decision to test foreign equipment, as the military really liked the test results for the undermining of the Italian armored car. But Russian manufacturers have a chance.



    Italian Lynx remains a headache for the Russian defense industry
    “It all depends on the lobbying opportunities of Oleg Deripaska, he can lobby for his participation in the state defense order,” said Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine, “It’s equally important that modernized models of Russian equipment be competitive in comparison with foreign models

    at this point, let's see how it ends
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      Dlanas 22 February 2012 21: 15 New
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      we have not had a headache, and our thieves have been and remain
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    SIA 20 February 2012 11: 00 New
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    On IVECA, as I understand it, the headquarters boss wants to sit down!

    And why do superiors need mine protection? Let them ride in the UAZ. Still, I am against the release of Ivek in Russia. Who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's.
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    Dlanas 22 February 2012 21: 10 New
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    it's all about money. Deripaska Abarzel.