FPI accepts orders for the development of a "smart" bullet

Employees of FPI (Advanced Research Foundation) announce that they are starting work on creating a “smart” bullet. Vitaly Davydov, Deputy Director General of the Foundation for Advanced Studies, in an interview Interfax says that FPI begins consideration of applications from research centers and production associations. Applications for the creation of a project of "smart" bullets will be analyzed, and on their basis, FPI is going to begin work on the creation of guided munitions.

From Vitaly Davydov's interview:

As the firing range increases, the shooter’s ability to correct a bullet’s flight and aim it at the target decreases. At long distances, as well as in certain weather or tactical conditions, the bullet must independently manage its flight. The Foundation has received a number of proposals for the creation of such a bullet. We are working on them.

At the same time, the FPI states that the term “bullet” does not quite fit the new type of ammunition, and therefore, in the process of creating a new object, a new name may be invented for it.

In FPI do not hide the fact that the creation of a bullet potential customer will cost a lot. I would like the funds from customers to go not only to create a new name for the ammunition, but also to ensure that the ammunition really becomes "smart."

On our site has already been discussed options for "smart" bullets. One such option is a self-guided bullet developed in the American national laboratory Sandia.

About it tells the material “Self-guided bullet - a new type of intellectual weapon”.

Comments

[vaaaaadik]

It would have been time to get busy

[Giant thought]

Be sure to do this development in order to keep up with the leaders.

[Andriuha077]

Quote: Thought Giant

keep up with the leaders

Leaders

[Andriuha077]

Quote: Thought Giant

keep up with the leaders

Leaders

[Juborg]

Now we start praising this business and nodding our heads to say, "Oh, this is a good thing, it's high time!" But look how many negative reviews were expressed on the previous article. But as soon as we announced this project on a smart bullet, she began to shout "hurray!" So this is still more good and promising than bad !? AND? A smart bullet is primarily an expensive pleasure, a piece goods, and is not intended to be fired right and left. This is primarily a project of one shot from an ultra-long range, one hit guaranteed. Although the question of the price of ammunition remains open, because an expensive rocket will destroy an over-expensive helicopter or ship and another thing is a human bullet or a radar antenna, the price is not comparable. Although the first unitary shells were very expensive. Time will tell.

[Army1]

Quote: juborg

Now we start praising this business and nodding our heads to say, "Oh, this is a good thing, it's high time!" But look how many negative reviews were expressed on the previous article. But as soon as we announced this project on a smart bullet, she began to shout "hurray!" So this is still more good and promising than bad !? AND? A smart bullet is primarily an expensive pleasure, a piece goods, and is not intended to be fired right and left. This is primarily a project of one shot from an ultra-long range, one hit guaranteed. Although the question of the price of ammunition remains open, because an expensive rocket will destroy an over-expensive helicopter or ship and another thing is a human bullet or a radar antenna, the price is not comparable. Although the first unitary shells were very expensive. Time will tell.

++++ Entirely and completely agree !!!

[I read the news]

"We will not introduce multiple-charge rifles, because soldiers shooting to the right and left will spend a lot of expensive cartridges"

[Silumin]

The question is, how will the bullet perform the correction of the flight path? Using plumage? And how will the target be marked? Any ideas? You can debate.

And so everything goes to this - high-precision weapons, defeat with the first shot.

[orisa87]

Well, for example, you can highlight the target with a laser, and there’s some kind of optical sensor in the pool. Although I can’t imagine what speed this device should have, the bullet also flies to the target in the best case, probably a little more than a second

[Andriuha077]

Quote: orisa87

what speed should have

Much smaller than tank ballistic defense systems.
And by the way. You can’t highlight with a beam: it will arrive.

[Ladoga]

I agree, although it is not necessary to shine the target with a laser, but there are such lasers, the size of the resonator made of a diamond crystal is only 1-1,5 mm, it may be enough to place an infrared radiation detector at the tip of the bullet. It is also not necessary for such a bullet to have something similar to external rudders (like a rocket), but a change in the center of mass inside the volume of the bullet itself is sufficient with an effect similar to a rapidly rotating raw egg. It is also possible to give additional acceleration to a pool that is losing kinetic energy at the end. Such a high-precision bullet may well be created at a new level of development of microsystem technology and electronics. And it will look like an ordinary bullet with the difference with which the shell from the self-propelled guns MSTA-s looks like a shell from a cannon of the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

[bullet]

The effective use of this type of weapon against armed formations equipped with modern artillery reconnaissance equipment is hardly possible, since the source of laser radiation will be immediately detected and suppressed by either a more powerful laser or artillery fire.

[Juborg]

Read and watch dear Silumin, materials of the previous article and comments.

[Akvadra]

An expensive little thing will turn out! A little thing.

[askort154]

Akvadra ..... An expensive little thing will turn out! A little thing.


Yes! And most likely, the security services serving bankers and oligarchs will be interested in them for their protection and elimination of competitors.

[saag]

Quote: Silumin

Using plumage? And how will the target be marked? Any ideas?

Yes, most likely there will be actuators, I suppose they are marked with a laser, the bullet will be 12,7 mm caliber, for the sniper of the future

[Silumin]

It’s clear, but how can one be with goals located behind shelters, for example? Well, for example, so that the bullet dives sharply down to hit the target. So you still need to enter the program mode.

Of course, weapons with such bullets are not for the mass army, but for accurate shooting at extra long distances, and for fighting enemy snipers

[tkhonov66]

"...
Well, for example, so that a bullet dives sharply down to hit a target
..."
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Dark night...
Only the wind stuck in the wires
Clever bullet all night across the steppe
Chasing a soldier ...
8-)

[Walk]

This is nonsense and cut money. From the same opera as combat lasers. The flight of a bullet depends only on the physical laws of ballistics. The bullet does not have an independent propulsion device that would allow changing the trajectory of movement in flight.

[Lopatov]

Most guided missiles also do not have an engine

[Silumin]

The bullet does not have an independent mover

And he is not needed, the bullet flies at a high speed anyway, and since the bullet has a small mass, it is enough to change its aerodynamic properties, for example using plumage, to change its direction of flight.

[SPR.ROS]

without a computer will not pull ... shorter nonsense.

[Silumin]

So the fact of the matter is that in a similar American development each microprocessor has a microprocessor that calculates all flight conditions at a given time (up to 30 times per second).

[Walk]

Those. Do you propose in a bullet, even a 14.5 caliber, to somehow fit not only the folding plumage, but also a processor that will send commands to change its "aerodynamic properties", and even the mechanism of change itself? I can only wish you luck.

[Lopatov]

Is this really a problem? To push electronic fuses with remote input of installations into 30-mm shells is a complicated thing

[Silumin]

Those. Do you propose in a bullet, even a 14.5 caliber, to somehow fit not only the folding plumage, but also a processor that will send commands to change its "aerodynamic properties", and even the mechanism of change itself? I can only wish you luck.

Like, you forgot the damaging element (for example, with explosives), but this requires a major breakthrough in our microelectronics.
And it will not be a bullet, but something similar to a miniature rocket. This is in my opinion.

[tkhonov66]

"...
Like, you forgot the striking element
..."
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- Here it is to hit with fragments of the processor and the power source - and we will ...
8-))
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And battery electrolyte - we equate to chemical weapons ...

[tkhonov66]

"...
Those. You propose in a bullet, even if it’s a caliber of 14.5, to somehow fit not only the folding plumage, but also the processor,
..."
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That's just the processor with the least problems.
They are very thin and very durable from the moment of their birth.
(ess-but if we consider the processor chip itself - without the case 8-))
But with rudders and (most importantly!) With energy for these very "rudders" - yes ...
- the problem ...
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Well, the idea of ​​developers does not stand still.
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I remember that a few times "backwards" - I read about some kind of DARPA development, it was suggested instead of "plumage" - to hang the aerodynamic TIP of the bullet on three piezo crystals and supply them with the CORRECTLY SPHAZED voltage - to force the bullet to "keep the nose on course" - i.e. phasing the deflection of the "bullet nose" with its rotation in flight - to create a constant aerodynamic force that deflects the trajectory of the bullet "in the desired" direction.
- And the article, as I remember, was called "The bullet twists its nose" ...
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So think gentlemen, think ...
This is useful!
8-))

[Walk]

Those. Do you propose in a bullet, even a 14.5 caliber, to somehow fit not only the folding plumage, but also a processor that will send commands to change its "aerodynamic properties", and even the mechanism of change itself? I can only wish you luck.

[Dragon-y]

Have you seen the movie "Hunt for Robots", or what? There were such bullets ...

[northerner lech]

Quote: Akvadra

An expensive little thing will turn out! A little thing.

That's it. Dear little thing for a very expensive goal. The Americans have already thought about using high-tech weapons. It turns out to be too expensive to bomb small groups with expensive ammunition.

[Russian jacket]

Where the world is heading. This money would be for peaceful construction.

[Viktor Kudinov]

Than to invent smart bullets, it is better to concentrate on creating smart people. This is more relevant.

[sergey261180]

Quote: Victor Kudinov

Than to invent smart bullets, it is better to concentrate on creating smart people. This is more relevant.

I propose to clone Anatoly Wasserman.

[tkhonov66]

"...
I propose to clone Anatoly Wasserman
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Smart - this is not the one whose head is FULLY full, but the one whose head is GOODLY FIXED ... (this is about the same as confusing warm with soft 8-)
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Although, it must be said that in some rare cases it is sometimes possible to observe COMBINATIONS of the first with the second ...
8-))
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So that cloning - it, alas - will not help!
IT IS NECESSARY TO LEARN "correctly" - sho cloned, sho no ...
8-))
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"Your ears are on your back. For you listen to me - only if I hit you." (A fragment of the translation of another Egyptian text. "The scribe's instruction to his disciples" - about 3500 years ago ... 8-)
- As you can see, gentlemen - time passes, and the situation with education - over the past 3500 years, has not fundamentally changed ... - that's what we need to work on! Well, for example - as one of the promising areas of development - "smart rod" ...
eight-))))

[SAM 5]

Will the game cost a sheepskin? I doubt something.
Perhaps in the vast future (when Mars will be mastered already) and create such a bullet in a single copy.

[Lopatov]

Quote: SAM 5

Will the game cost a sheepskin? I doubt something.

Will be. Technology is in demand. For example, you can create guided sub-caliber shells. Which will be able to change their trajectory by changing the geometry of the bow.

[gozmosZh]

something smells like Chubais.

[Lopatov]

"Chubais nanomukha" looks like this: http: //www.rusnano.com/projects/portfolio/optikovolokonnye-sistemy

[tkhonov66]

"...
"Nanomukha from Chubais" looks like this: http://www.rusnano.com/projects/portfolio/optikovolokonnye-sistemy "
..."
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- I don't know what "Nanomukha from Chubais" looks like ...
But I know what "Nanomukha from DARPA" looks like:
http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2009-09/darpa-project-
releases-video-remote-controlled-cyborg-beetle
...
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Remember, gentlemen, that in any "joke" there really is ONLY SHARE of a joke ...

[Denis fj]

A “smart” bullet does not add an arrow to the mind. Neither Ukrainian, nor American, nor any other, regardless of any social signs.

[Black]

You can’t trample against Suvorov ....- was a fool, she will remain !!! Bullshit it all!

[Silumin]

And here were the generals opponents of Cars in the army.

[Kair501]

And I think that the creation of such a bullet is quite realistic in the foreseeable future, but they will be used only in special cases and only by special forces. In addition, while the main weapon remains powder, why not improve the ammunition for it, because micro computers are becoming smaller and cheaper every year and with due effort, this project is possible and will most likely justify itself. And if by the age of 40 50 weapons do not appear on new physical principles, it is possible and will become the main one. Although this is purely my personal opinion

[Alex_good]

one shot one corpse ... and let it be not a bullet, but a mini-rocket, one hell homing is effective. he released a horn into the sky, and there was no company ...

[tkhonov66]

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he released a horn into the sky, and there was no company ...
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Whose company?

[3vs]

And I already came up with the name - "Smart bayonet named after A. V. Suvorov" (C)
For, as Alexandra Vasilyevich used to say, "The bullet is a fool, the bayonet is great!"

[tokens2]

Bullet named by A.V.Suvorov
a fool .. long remained her.
With such a "science" he can become an idiot at all
In general, the "smarter" the weapon, the "easier" it is to neutralize it.
Well, I think so.
Can mobile "military wind turbines" begin to develop .
Nano. From bullets is an idiot.

[Vtel]

But maybe it’s a tricky order of the crafty, we’d have to steal, and we’ll snatch off our descendants - they are not the first to ento, though our 90nm bullet will not pull - it’s hard to bude - put on investments, and here sanctions. Nothing from our AKM horn against the guns of the bullet’s guns still says to himself.

[Saburo]

I do not understand why such a skeptical attitude towards such ammunition. Difficult, expensive, long. But in the end, they themselves will not bring down any ragged people. But to kill some new Bin Laden, for example, the leader of ISIS, yes. But the fact is that the Americans have already created and shot such a bullet. And there are so many disagreeable USA people. There is more than one smart bullet in their bottomless defense budget.

[bullet]

To destroy an individual high-priority target at large distances, existing ATGM models with a high-explosive warhead (including mobile portable ones) operating on similar control principles can be used.
A more promising option is the creation of a large-caliber (20-30 mm) anti-material sniper gun with a high-explosive fragmentation shot with a remotely controlled blasting time (DUVP).

[qQQQ]

And we can make our answer - a homing bayonet. A bullet as it was a fool so it will remain. But seriously, given the time of the bullet’s flight, then most likely one or two correction points are set on the site, it’s just not clear what kind of reference points, a very large error (meters) with current technologies. You can reduce the speed, and shoot off the tip in the final section, but again everything depends on the error in measuring the position of the bullet at the current moment during flight.

[S_Baykala]

Um, at first I thought nonsense, read the last article - but in principle it is feasible. The most important thing is to unify it with conventional ammunition, to somehow get around the problem with rotation from rifling. A soldier carries a standard ammunition load and, say, 5-10% of "smart" ammunition (for single shots), when firing at short distances, ordinary bullets are used, if necessary, rearranged the store - he turned into an unqualified sniper. This will not be a critical high cost. An example - in "Vintorez" cartridges with a subsonic speed - less acceleration when fired, and the 9 mm cartridge has a large mass and diameter, it is easier to place controls and control, the bullet flies further. In "Exhaust" generally 12.7. These are thoughts just offhand, at random, but if you think about it? .......

[voyaka uh]

When there was an article in VO about the American "smart" bullet, everyone
amicably ridiculed the idea.
And here - the same friendly approval ...

[svp67]

Quote: voyaka uh

When there was an article in VO about the American "smart" bullet, everyone amicably ridiculed the idea.
And here - the same friendly approval ...

And when the story goes about the Israeli ... I think it’s not worth continuing.

[aleks 62]

And here - the same friendly approval ...

...... Nope !!!!! Friendly perplexity ..... On the motive: do you need a stop signal for a hare ????

[S_Baykala]

And there are already machines with interchangeable barrels - rearranged - shoot. Let's say they modernized the AK - they came up with a quick-change barrel without rifling, possibly much shorter (light weight, easy to carry), only to disperse a bullet, and then a "smart bullet".
Ps And what is better to take - an extra horn with cartridges or, say, a lightweight magazine for 10-15 "smart cartridges" (unified with AK) + a removable barrel - h.z., will probably depend on the effectiveness of the ammunition.

[fif21]

Theoretical is possible. The striking element must respond to certain features of the target: temperature, color, the presence of a certain metal, sound, smell, laser lighting, movement, etc.
Improving the ballistics of the striking element, guidance and aiming systems, i.e. the weapon fires a shot only with a guaranteed target hit (movable barrel). The invention of alternative damaging elements capable of affecting vision, breathing, and target movement. Apparently, the question of creating a new weapon created on other principles has matured. All that remains is to wish good luck to the Russian "left-handers".

[Starover_Z]

Here at VO, more than once, many of us wrote that the spread of shots from standard weapons in our country is due to the poor quality of barrel production and large tolerances. It came down to a machine park that needed updating. Sniper athletes are forced to work with foreign barrels and ammunition.
There were articles with such information?
And what, they moved the cart, updated the machine park, began to sharpen the finest barrels and bullets at our weapons and cartridge factories ?!
Then yes, it’s time to take on the adjustable bullets to get into the ajar door slit, and then into the target!

[svp67]

Quote: Starover_Z

began to sharpen the finest trunks at our weapons ... factories

Forge, trunks began to forge, so greater quality is achieved ...

The last method used today is called rotational forging. This method uses a carbide rod that accurately repeats the final desired contour of the fields and rifling. A steel billet with a round drilled hole is put on the carbide center, and then computerized "hammers" upset the steel billet on the carbide center. Carbide is much harder than steel, so steel is cold-forged to the final length and profile without affecting the carbide center.

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Starover_Z

began to sharpen the finest trunks at our weapons ... factories

Forge, trunks began to forge, so greater quality is achieved ...

The last method used today is called rotational forging. This method uses a carbide rod that accurately repeats the final desired contour of the fields and rifling. A steel billet with a round drilled hole is put on the carbide center, and then computerized "hammers" upset the steel billet on the carbide center. Carbide is much harder than steel, so steel is cold-forged to the final length and profile without affecting the carbide center.

For barrel accuracy, the best method is the one that gives smaller dimensional tolerances, higher surface finish and less residual stresses in the metal of the barrel. In this regard, the "ancient" method of tapestry cutting is better than forging. Forging gives higher productivity in barrel production. And cut barrels are used for the most high-precision weapons - they are more expensive and time consuming to manufacture, but of higher quality.

[svp67]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

In this regard, the "ancient" method of tapestry cutting is better than forging.

The question is VERY controversial, since during any cutting the upper, best prepared layer of metal is removed, this forging is deprived of the forging method.

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

In this regard, the "ancient" method of tapestry cutting is better than forging.

The question is VERY controversial, since during any cutting the upper, best prepared layer of metal is removed, this forging is deprived of the forging method.

In the metalworking theme you are swimming. On the highest quality trunks is a special weapon steel. Such trunks are cut, and the most high-quality are often also ground-honed. In the trunks, special methods relieve residual stresses, for example by immersion in liquid nitrogen. The structure of the metal during cutting is violated, but less internal stresses in the metal occur.

Check out Krieger’s barrel technology to make sure I say it. The trunks of this company are installed on the best and most accurate rifles.

[Major_Vortex]

svp67, in vain they put me minus. You wrote outright stupidity. Any technologist will tell you this.

[s30461]

The new projectile will bear the proud name "NPCH" - Chubais Nano Bullet.
Understand rockets for a start. There is still a field not plowed to work on homing systems.

[Siberia 9444]

My opinion is nonsense full speed is very large for small arms and adjusting little will work for heavy guns that hit a hinged trajectory. Yes. Here you need to think about how to stabilize the bullet, to reduce derivation, to increase the speed of approach of the bullet.

[Grabberxnumx]

A bit of humor!
"The replay button is Zorg's invention. Shot. Replay makes everyone else go there."
Jean Baptiste Emmanuel Sorg! (C) The fifth element.

[Sib. Uralets]

In Soviet times, there was just a gigantic amount of all kinds of ideas. Then it was all braked by bureaucrats. Fewer ideas, less problems. I just hope that the number of brilliant or simply gifted people has not decreased. If so, then a lot of interesting things await us.

[jPilot]

Well, where are you reincarnation Lefty, for you urgent work
And if it's no joke, then it is necessary to move forward or even ahead of the curve, the main thing is wisely and so that it does not work out "as always"

[bullet]

Information on the development of this weapon is more reminiscent of the organization of economic sabotage with the aim of drawing into long-term and expensive research and development work with unpredictable results, as was the example of the development of high-speed arrow-shaped slaughter elements and shell-free ammunition for small arms.

[tkhonov66]

"...
as was the example of the development of high-speed arrow-shaped slaughter elements and sleeveless ammunition for small arms
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8-))
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Here - about the "high-speed arrow-shaped killing elements" (they were made from "spirits" - "hedgehogs" in Afghanistan. In a 122mm projectile there are about 2000 pieces. dm. Such an element goes into the ground almost 2 meters.)
http://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/42/425437.html
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- So the bourgeoisie - they have flown in on these "economic sabotage" more than once ...
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it was
- and with missile defense (for the first time in the world in the USSR, a nuclear warhead on a ballistic trajectory was hit by non-nuclear munitions - in 1961. This result was repeated in the USA - after 20 (twenty!) years - in 1981)
- and with an intercontinental cruise missile (in 1961, at the 13th launch of the USSR rocket plane, the "Tempest" covered a distance of 5000 km. In the USA, it was not possible to create anything similar)
- and with strategic rail-based missiles - BZHDK - a terrible headache for the country 3.14ndosii (in the United States, a similar project was closed due to the high cost)
- etc.