Reports from the militia of New Russia for October 20 2014 year

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Yesterday at 9: 00

Photo from the militia


“It was possible to destroy another APU checkpoint. The pride of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex — the T-64BM Bulat tank.”

Reports from the militia of New Russia for October 20 2014 year


Yesterday at 9: 53

Message from the militia


“Punitive attackers continue the shelling of the Oktyabrsky mine district. The fire is conducted as usual from Pesok and Avdiivka. Militia gunners began to respond to Pesky. Not often, but based on reports from enemy deployment sites and according to radio interception — very effectively.”

Yesterday at 10: 03

Message from Jan militia


"In the airport area, fighting continues with the use of heavy and small arms.
During the day, the shelling did not cease, battles take place near the airport, the Nazis attempted to break through from Sand to our positions: with the support of about twenty-two armored vehicles, the enemy jumped out to takeoff, the enemy was dispersed with our artillery fire, most of the armored vehicles were destroyed, the rest went source.
Near Nikishino go fierce battles. "

Yesterday at 10: 20

Report from the front near Gorlovka


The Gorlovka militia are on one of the waste heaps, 5 km away are the positions of the Ukrainian army. Gorlovka is 2 km behind, Ukrainian troops know about the location of the militias according to drones, but still shelling residential areas of the city.

Fighters of the DPR army appealed to the young patriots of Russia and called upon them to stand up in defense of Novorossia, its women, children and old people.

The militia needs mortars, gunners, Tankswho do not have to participate in battles themselves, but can teach people the art of war.



Yesterday at 11: 08

Message from the militia Tonaya Cholkhanov


"I just want you to understand my position. These heaps are already in me. I already smell armory lubrication, it became everything to me. Before the wound, in Lugansk, I saw a sniper and mortar crashes a bus with children. There were many children, and their mothers. They wrote “CHILDREN” on the bus, and mothers showed the children to be seen from the windows. But the sniper took off the driver, and the 80 mm mortars finished with these children.
I also know the guy who took the children out of here. Once he went to Russia with children, and slipped through a roadblock. Back then, the ukroarmiya had helicopters, and they started firing from the side of the van. But he, apart from a few holes in the back, broke through. These are all peaceful people, and without weapons. Then this Circassian (and he Circassian) crossed the Ukrovsky territory, and at night he saw how an 14-year-old girl stuck a cutting from a shovel into her vagina. I'm writing as I am, sorry. Then they ripped her belly open. Circassian could not do anything, he just saw it all. And now we are offered to leave here, they put pressure on my wife and daughter, and with me they promise to “sort out the correspondence ...” I can’t just go and leave after what I saw, heard, learned. Understand that if we really leave, if Izvarino is closed, a catastrophe will begin. And here are the children. They have nowhere to go. The women here ... I am ready to protect every local woman, as my wife - because they are all in this meat grinder on a par with us, and help. Two of my friends tore. One was still alive, but his insides were on the ground, and he died in the hospital. The war is coming. There is no peace. But as long as there are those who can’t be lured by gingerbread and don’t get a whip, we have chances. "

Yesterday at 11: 31

Photo from the militia


"Donetsk, Gladkovka region. Residential buildings after yesterday’s shelling by Ukrainian artillery. This is how the house looks after being hit by a projectile from D-30."




Yesterday at 11: 48

Message from the militia


“Morning in Donetsk began as usual. From the side of Ukry sand they strike from artillery to the railway, airport and Novy terminal areas. In the village of Smeloye, there is a battle between the militiamen and Ukrainian security forces. The militia is shelling punitive mortars and Gradov. that the mayor was hospitalized in Mariupol, the details are being clarified. Makeevka was also attacked by the punishers. We specify the city of ukry from artillery, we specify the area and the destruction. "

Yesterday at 11: 55

Morning message of the Information Bureau of the Army of the South-East


"Over the past 24 hours, 25 cases of violation of the cease-fire regime by the Ukrainian military were noted

- Intensive artillery strikes from Avdeevka and Skilled were subjected to the Kievsky district of Donetsk. In the period from 17.30 to 23.20, the Fascists, using Grad multiple rocket launcher systems and barreled artillery, launched seven fire strikes against civilian targets. One was destroyed and four houses were damaged. Five times (in 18.10, 19.10, 21.05, 21.10 and 22.40) from the side of the village of Peski with the use of phosphorus and incendiary munitions fired residential areas of the Kuibyshev district. According to preliminary estimates, eight dwellings were seriously damaged, the water and power supply systems were disrupted. Due to the collapse of power line poles and fallen trees, traffic is blocked on several streets;

- In 21.20 and 22.05, from Debaltsevo, Savelevka and Bayrachki railway station were subjected to artillery fire. Damaged six houses;

- from 17.00 to 18.00, from the side of the mound Tomb of Sharp artillery of the Ukrainian fascists, the positions of the militia units near Nikishino and Stryukovo were fired upon three times;

- on 17.20, from the Kamenka side, units of the DPR Army stationed in the village of Kruglik were subjected to mortar and artillery shelling;

- Twice - in 17.10 and 17.50 - from Debaltseve from Grazo MLRS, fire strikes were launched against the positions of the units of the LPR Army in the Fashchevka area;

- from 17.20 to 18.40 on the part of Nikolaevka and Novotroitsky, militia positions on the outskirts of Dokuchaevsk were subjected to intense mortar fire;

- in 18.00, Maloorlovka suffered a fire attack on the militia unit in the Kumshatsky area;

- In 23.00, a sabotage group of Ukrainian fascists attacked a militia checkpoint near Stryukovo. One soldier of the DPR Army is killed;

- in 8.00, a checkpoint occupied by militias in the Novogrigorovka area, from the direction of the Bold village, was attacked by a Bandera unit. In the course of the attack, two tanks and five armored personnel carriers were used.

At the same time, the fascists attempted to bypass the Bold from the north and cut off the militia units defending it from the main forces of the LC Army. The enemy’s provocation was stopped by counter-actions of the militia. The enemy has been discarded.

Representatives of the tripartite working group of the joint Center for the Control of the Coordination of the Maintenance of the Ceasefire in Eastern Ukraine are informed about this incident.

The loss of the armed forces of New Russia for the day amounted to 4 killed and 11 wounded. 8 killed and 5 civilians injured. "

Yesterday at 12: 04

Photo from Fedor Berezin


"Points-U, collected after the recent shelling. That's what the Ukrainian" edinopatrioty "bombard civilians."






Yesterday at 13: 20

Photo from the militia


Last night Donetsk from the side of Sand was shot by Ukrainian punishers using incendiary projectiles.




Yesterday at 13: 20

Message from the militia Prokhorov


"In the battles in the Bakhmutki area, 32 and 28 (or rather, he didn’t release his dill, they were rejected) were blocked by dill checkpoints. and not a tactical environment), dill extinguish Arta at the village. Zhelobok.
Started pucker dill near the town of Happiness. According to Bakhmutka, dill are mowed by Grads, from Lugansk to the Cossacks there is help. In Kharkov, RPG partisans fired at a military clothing warehouse in the area of ​​the Cold Mountain (infa - proven). The damage is not yet known. "

Message from bloggers.

“A powerful explosion was recorded in Donetsk. Half an hour before this, ukry from the Avdeevka area attacked a volley into the 15-Go area of ​​the area.”

Yesterday at 14: 10

Commentary from Boris Rozhin ("colonelcassad")


“Against the background of heightened rumors on the topic of Akhmetov’s return to Donetsk, Akhmetov’s assistant Levchenko spoke“ perfectly ”, as one of the activists of the Kharkov anti-fascist resistance Konstantin Dolgov told.
Very touching methodological unity of Akhmetov's assistant with Kolomoisky's assistant "And we will hang up later," Boris Filatov. Both of them just now have short arms to deal with the uprising, so they are waiting in the wings, threatening from safe places. I think, as in the case of Filatov, it is now appropriate to call Levchenko only as Nikolay. "I can help you by strangling one by one" Levchenko.
Well, once again I draw attention to the “Party of Regions”, so to say, “moral character”. For good, in the Donbass it would be necessary to conduct the same lustration and get rid of the remnants of the “Party of Regions”, because everything that this party touches turns into shit mixed with “golden loaves”.

Yesterday at 14: 15

Comments from military observer Boris Rozhin ("colonelcassad") on the most important issues


“Fighting under the Sands is going on regularly, there are not enough forces for the assault on Avdiivka. Without taking up these settlements, to stop the shelling of Donetsk by military means is unrealistic.
According to the Minsk Treaty, the Sands should have given to the BCH, but they did not give it, Avdiivka departed to the junta.
The junta, being pursued by the United States, is not in a hurry to fulfill the Minsk agreements, moreover, on certain days the shelling of Donetsk became even more intense than it was immediately after the Minsk agreement.
Dozens of militia units are subordinate to the authorities of the DPR and the LPR about 50-60% of them. The rest either do not obey at all, or pretend to obey. and the authorities pretend to believe in it. In the policy of the DNI and the LC, there are about 7-8 large political groups + a dozen two small ones.
Nobody needs a military coup in Donetsk (in the summer of Strelkov he tried to stop dismantling among the commanders to prevent the war in Donetsk), the current riflemen will also not go to war between their own under the nose of the junta. Questions of the struggle against oligarchs ’appointees can be solved only by changing the political line of Moscow, where they have not yet decided what story New Russia will end.
Among civilians there is growing frustration with both the incomprehensible position of Russia and the leadership of the republics in connection with the Minsk agreement, and the high level of crime and the threat of a humanitarian catastrophe, coupled with the ongoing war. So far, the inertia of the uprising is strong enough to, together with the anti-fascist sentiments, outweigh the negative, but in winter the situation can sway towards systemic disappointment and the republics have yet to survive this deferred crisis of internal legitimacy.

Losses from our "voentorg" were, but within acceptable limits. Let's just say, 5 lost more in 2008 days of the war with Georgia than during the summer "around zero". In this regard, the professionalism of the "Voentorg workers" has grown. By number without comment.
The Ukrainian army during the period of its acquaintance with the "Voentorg workers" proved to be bad, which in fact was one of the reasons for the impressive defeat. All the same, we must understand that the Armed Forces of Ukraine is, in fact, the army of the beginning of the 90x, which they hurriedly tried to rebuild on the move. Nevertheless, there were certain flaws on our side, which I will not talk about just yet. The junta had good combat capability demonstrated by airborne units (which in the course of several months of the war had significantly increased as combat units), as well as units interacting with "workers of the European military trade union". However, it still did not save from defeat.

For captive foreigners. Personally, we saw only prisoners of Sudanese with British passports, communicated with witnesses who personally fought against the Poles under the Kozhnevnaya (where the Poles burned the 2 of the VSN tank and filled up more of our 10). Why so rarely show? I do not know. Maybe they are quietly traded on our type of those "lost paratroopers." You just need to understand that war has a second bottom - and if on the surface of the BCH it fights with the junta army, then at the second level of the conflict, the workers of the "military trade" parties are fighting. "

Yesterday at 15: 10

Material from Boris Rozhin ("colonelcassad")


"Shooters on the well-known, but" secret "forum of reenactors, answered several questions revealing his vision of the current political situation and his attitude to Putin.
Here are Strelkov's answers to the most important questions grouped by relevant topics:

According to the possible participation in the elections to the State Duma.

In short: I do not want to go to the Duma and will not go. Even if they strongly persuade (the proposals "enticing" in this direction have already been). In general, the policy "in the classical sense" (that is, in order to achieve power) is not going to engage. What modern so-called degenerated into? “democracy” can be clearly seen at least by the example of the “election campaign of the DPR and the LPR”, where the proverb: “from mud to riches” will be incarnated without any alternative.
In the briefing (if it ever takes place anyway) I will try to formulate more clearly. However, I do not see any opportunities and options to influence the situation in Russia and Novorossia from the Duma’s chair in its modern interpretation. Now the deputy ID - no more than (depending on the faction) "coupon for enhanced nutrition" + "pass to the highest echelons" (with the hope of moving further) + "indulgence for past sins." And God forbid that the Duma (in its current composition - for sure) acquired from us any other rights and powers than the right to create "approval" for initiatives coming from above. Because "born to crawl - can not fly" (c).

On the possibility of leading a private military company in the future.

If the Motherland orders, I will head up even cutting and sewing courses. : D However, please note: PMCs all over the world are a commercial business project, not an army. Demanding not only and not so much military talent, as the experience of administration in a specific field + understanding in matters of finance and jurisprudence. I am sure that the person who successfully steers some major chop would cope with the management of PMCs best of all. That command the PMCs on the theater - is another matter. But, again, if PMCs fight against some people in Africa, defending the refinery of one of the Russian corporations, then this service is absolutely not interesting for me. Because it will be an ordinary mercenary, even if it is legalized. It is also a necessary thing in our world, but not for me.

Is it possible to influence the fate of Novorossia?

The problem is that a priori it is assumed that "the war is over" and everything will "gradually settle down" and "return to normal." The oligarchs will redistribute power, sanctions will be lifted, oil will rise in price, etc. For this, many are ready to "return in the ass" newborn Novorossia. There is such a chance, but it is very insignificant. I presume that the distemper is only beginning, and the more resolutely Russia goes forward now, the more likely it is that we will avoid the most serious consequences of the distemper. And, accordingly, the longer we stagnate (including in Novorossia), the harder the coming crisis will be for us.

What do you mean by going forward?

Before starting any serious project, any manager creates a team with which he will solve problems. A team has gathered around Putin that more or less solved the tasks that they have been assigned for more than a decade. But then came the general crisis, requiring quick, radical and responsible decisions. And in its course it turned out that except for the president himself, no one is able to act in the new situation. Someone is stupidly afraid, but the majority is not ready, does not know how and does not want to learn. There are also conscious pests - the same Vladislav is ours, so to speak, Yuryevich ...
The offensive will begin from the moment when Putin proceeds to the same thing that Stalin embarked on after the disastrous defeats of 1941 of the year (remember that they followed the triumphant victories of 1939-1940) - that is, the rotation of his decrepit and liberal-oriented team. Without this, any, even the most correct and decisive action of his will be reduced by worthless (and concealedly resisting) performers to a dull and humiliating defeat.
Don't you think, Igor Ivanovich, that the time of these trials and mistakes is already over and now, in the GDP team, those people who passed certain criteria in terms of parameters that we obviously do not know, but this is necessary for those who have these people put it there.
I hope that Vladimir Vladimirovich is smart enough to understand that parting at least with some of them (as well as with their own “teams”) is a matter of survival not only for Russia, but also for him personally. The only thing that can delay the president is not a complete understanding of the current situation due to the fact that these same “candidates for departure” “vigorously expose themselves” as irreplaceable patriots ”or promise that“ everyone will settle for the old. ”
Naturally, people were not chosen for confrontation with the West, but on the contrary - for embedding in it. But now, when it became clear that the West does not need anyone, except for "slaves for an hour" (who are indifferently drained into the sewer after use), respectively, should get rid of this team as soon as possible. Approximately the same way Stalin got rid of the team of Trotskyists from the "Leninist Guard", as soon as he changed the vector of the "world revolution" to "building socialism in one country."

Do you see people capable of joining such a team?

Sometimes you have to go through trial and error. If there is credibility and credibility - even small failures will not be critical. And they still have the president. There is also. But it will end soon. Very soon.
I see people who are ready to take on the burden of problems in various fields and begin to solve them. I am sure that not everyone will meet the necessary requirements. But if you do nothing, then nothing will happen. It is necessary to try. One thing is completely clear to me: with the current team, Putin can only be guaranteed to get to the Hague Tribunal.

Will Russia not be satisfied with the results of the "gas talks"?

Many would very much like to be satisfied. But who will give them? The United States (the percussion instrument of the world oligarchy) firmly decided to do away with us. So the war continues and will continue. Poroshenko just resumed his old cheat game, which he had already successfully played in the spring, hastily pumping stolen gas into storage facilities. As a result, Russia will receive neither money for gas, nor a real truce under Donetsk and Lugansk, nor the lifting of sanctions. In short, he will not get anything, but he will lose constantly. The war in Novorossia will be a constantly debilitated ulcer in the underbelly of Russia. If they donate to Novorossia, the problem will go to the Crimea and everything will continue in a new way.

Will the junta make concessions in the winter?

I put a bottle of martel against crackers: will not do. Will steal gas from the pipe with full sympathy Geyropy. "

Yesterday at 16: 45

Summary from the militia Prokhorov


"At night they worked again - the dill looked particularly good at the village of the Bold. They often covered them from the heart :).
Dill, in turn, at night, stormed the Cossacks ’abandoned checkpoint in sec. Novogrigorovka (between the village. Bold and Good).
Alas, ukry remained ukrami - covered Grads with. Lozovskoe - civilians suffered.

Dill from 26 artillery brigades on SAU approached close to Marinka - they conducted shelling and quickly changed their place of deployment. The militia did not open fire, rightly fearing to get to residential areas. Also skirmishes were at Avdiivka, from Gradov covered fenders in Tonky. Dill got in the already traditional combat areas - at Redkodub, Olkhovatka, Debaltseve and Nikishino. Covered with dill from Slavyanoserbsk near the bridge at Trekhizbenka.

Now in Donetsk shooting again. They talk more and more about Points. Like, there was a massive blow - in different parts of the city (including the eastern part of Donetsk). Donbass Arena suffered.
I don’t know directly - if this is not the beginning of an offensive, then ukry is simply bloodthirsty to madness, shelling a densely populated city. Ordinary Terror.
In any case, IMHO, from this day a truce, even a formal one, must end.

With Debaly, dill is also artel beats like crazy.

According to 32, the checkpoint at Bakhmutka is still under fire, there is no connection with dill with him (for the brought radio is bye-bye :) Dill didn’t recognize the death of 1 military from 92 and 1 from Aydar and several other divisions ( 95-I aeromogilny, 8 special forces regiment and Vinnytsia terbat).

After a long break, Red Talovka spoke again - there the partisans attacked the Ukrop border guards.

From dill - translation and comments in my brackets.
Quote:
"Thanks to the heroic (homeic) actions, the military actually managed to prevent the terrorists (glorious fighters of the LPR army) from seizing the Luhansk thermal power plant, which provides most of the Luhansk region with electricity (I post about the night shooters, but there was no real attempt at assault on mass enurers dill).
Repeated violations of the truce were also recorded in the districts of Debaltsevo and near Donetsk, from installations Grad fired positions of ATO forces in the Donetsk region in the area of ​​Nikolaevka, Novobakhmutovka, Tonkoe, Redkodub, Yunokommunarovsk and near the village of Kamenka; in the Luhansk region - in the area with. Trekhizbenka, village Donetsk, with. Mius.
The enemy continues active aerial reconnaissance with the help of UAVs. Six reconnaissance missions occurred in the area of ​​Sartan settlements near Mariupol and Velikaya Novoselka and Kurakhovo to the west from Donetsk.
Ukroboronprom specialists repaired 39 armored vehicles for a week. Rebuilt 14 tanks and 8 BMP units. The 12 armored personnel carriers BTR-70, BTR-80, and 5 armored personnel carriers BTR-3, -4 for the National Guard of Ukraine were repaired. "

Yesterday at 17: 55

Message from the blogger El Murid


"According to Strelkov, Petrovsky, strikes in Donetsk are like sighting before clearing the road for the advancing columns.
The situation, which has begun in recent days to increasingly deteriorate in Novorossia, in the opinion of Gloomy and Strelkov, indicates a possible last phase before the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The strikes on Donetsk ceased to be of a terror character, and are more similar to zeroing in before clearing the road for the advancing columns.
Today, three attack groups have been assembled, the deployment of which repeats the summer scenario - the operational environment of Donetsk is being prepared through intercepting the Shakhtersk-Snezhnoe-Krasny Luch road and access to the border, as well as the tactical environment of the city with a blow to Makeyevka. To do this, in each grouping up to 10 thousands of people, about 300-400 units of armored vehicles, a significant number of artillery and mortars caliber more than 100 mm.

One of the likely dates for the start of the offensive is supposed to be Friday-Saturday of this week. It is clear that we are talking about a hypothetical (so far) development of events, but the logic in this is very serious: for the weekend, the readiness of the Russian management system is sharply reduced, which gives the APU a day's odds in time for the reaction of the Russian side. In 24 hours, with the current state of the militia, punitive units will be able to carry out the 1 stage of the plan of the operation and put the militia and the Russian leadership to react with ever-increasing delay.

Perhaps these concerns will be perceived as a panic, but you need to understand that the opinion is expressed by people who know the situation in detail and dynamics. The occupied by the election campaign and reassured by the statements from Kiev, the leadership of the DPR and the LPR may simply “miss” the blow. The situation looks alarming, and even more so.

There are considerations against such a development of events - quite rational. Nevertheless, it seems that in the Kiev leadership there is a serious struggle connected with the confrontation of pro-European and pro-American henchmen. America is extremely interested in the escalation of the conflict, and the failure of the meeting in Milan from the point of view of the pro-European faction both in Kiev and in Europe itself is quite possible, which added aggression to the pro-American forces.

In any case, I can say that the concern about what is happening is very great. It is quite possible that the performance and statement of Strelkov will be devoted to this topic - only the substantive part of him is known only to him. "

Yesterday at 18: 20

Summary from the battlefield from the militia


“At night, high tensions remained. In the morning, shelling of the airport and Donetsk began (Oktyabrsky, Kievsky and Kuybyshevsky districts), the Nazis used tulips, and purposefully opened fire on residential areas of the city. In the center, in 1, two powerful gaps, presumably the Donbass Arena area and the railway.
12: 00 (NR) A missile strike with a fuel dispenser (presumably a “dot-y”, possibly more powerful) was made at Donetsk at the state-owned products plant (DKZHI). As a result of the missile attack in many buildings (schools, administrative buildings, residential sector), the glazing was destroyed in the city. Presumably the blow was dealt by Dokuchaevsk Kramatorsk.
Also received information that from the side of Kramatorsk 3 launch of fuel dispensers was made, and another 5 complexes were prepared for combat launch.
In the area of ​​Yasinovka - Mineral there are battles, the work of heavy weapons and small arms is heard, information is received about the evacuation of the Yasinovatovo railway hub. The airport and the outskirts of Donetsk are subject to firing, Kiev Nazis use siege artillery ("tulip"). "

Yesterday at 18: 35

Summary from the "East" on October 19: APU tried to cut off the southern militia group


“At the weekend, on the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic, the junta's troops peculiarly observed the truce conditions. Thus, there was a widespread replenishment of the junta divisions on the division line of the warring parties, an employee of the Information Center "Vostok" with the call sign "The Cat" told a REGNUM correspondent. - For example, one of the most intense sectors of the front, in the village of Peski near Donetsk, was replenished - the battalion "Kyiv-2" of at least 250 men. The control of this locality, as well as the town of Avdiivka, allows the junta to maintain its presence at the Donetsk airport. Shelling of militia positions located under the village continued, the militia suffered casualties - one militia was killed and one was wounded.
Ukrainian troops at the weekend attempted to cut off the southern militia group from the main forces. “The grouping of the junta's troops, backed up with armored vehicles, attempted a breakthrough from the side of the village of Granitny towards the village of Komsomol. Apparently, planning to cut off the southern militia group from the main forces. Observed clashes in the area of ​​Konstantinovka. The junta continues to strengthen its position. Thus, three new roadblocks were established between the cities of Artyomovsk and Gorlovka, at some roadblocks powerful groups reinforced by armored vehicles were concentrated.
Shelling of Donetsk, pos. Bugas and with. Novotroitskoye (DNR). Many settlements of the republic were subjected to shelling. A massive shelling was carried out in the village of Novotroitsk, as a result of which civilians suffered heavy losses. There are both wounded and dead. A small village of Bugas from the Volnovakha District was shelled. Kirov, Petrovsky, Kuybyshevsky and Kievsky districts are shelled in Donetsk. There are buildings in the city, people are injured and killed. As a result of hitting the MLRS "Grad" missiles, houses on st. Kutuzov, 13 and 15 on Gladkovka.
An emergency disconnection of 78 power substations has occurred. The power supply of the Kirov water supply junction was put out of operation, because of which the water supply in part of the Kirov and Lenin districts was cut off. 2 coal enterprises, the Kirovskaya and Lidiyevka mines, remained without electricity at the time of the restoration of electricity supply.

Yesterday at 18: 55

Message from the militia with the call sign "Bison"


“An hour ago, ukry hit the old terminal area, after which our gunners attacked dill positions in the Pesok area. Also from Avdiivka (there is now a battle in the DK area, the RDGs of the opposing sides are horrifying each other) hammering the Nazis into the area \ \ D, there is heavy smoke there.Today today to the Stratonauts, Ukropsky hailstones also flew there.
Everyone already knows about the powerful explosion, I will not tell you anything new. Our location is close to the factory. When it was bombed, our two men descended the stairs from the entrance in a full combat tab with machine guns, so they were so awash with a blast wave that one of them fell. Almost all the nearby houses said goodbye to the windows. "

Yesterday at 22: 45

Message from military analyst Boris Rozhin ("colonelcassad")


"The DPR Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko announced the termination of the truce in the Donbass. Ukry struck the area of ​​the old terminal, after which our gunners attacked the positions of dill in the Sand. After the today's firing of rockets of Donetsk, the truce is even formal, it should be considered terminated
So, the shelling of Donetsk eventually proved even to the most stubborn supporters of the “Minsk peace” that there really is no peace. All this is happening against the background of the growing threat of a junta attack on Donetsk. Systematic shelling of the city from all available systems, constant tank attacks on the airport, the accumulation of forces in the areas of Avdiivka, Krasnogorovka and Debaltseve — all this suggests that the junta is preparing for an attack that could begin as early as October. Moreover, given the current balance of forces and material and technical means, it will be very difficult for the Armed Forces of Novorossia to repel this attack without the help of the “military entrant”. At the same time, a meeting of major commanders of Novorossia was held, where Plotnitsky, Mozgovoy and Kozitsyn announced the creation of a single command of the LC. "

Yesterday at 23: 20

Great conversation on Skype Brain and Ukrainian punitive


"Teleconference of militiamen and officers of the armed forces of Ukraine. The topic of conversation:" How can you achieve peace. "One of the Ukrainian military served in the Dnepr battalion, and before the war he was a centurion of the Maidan.
With 29 minutes, Brainstorm rigidly builds ukrov and tells them the whole truth. "



Today in 0: 25

Message from the militia


"The Nazi connection under Dokuchaevskiy just received a half-car 152 mm. Gifts. We are waiting for joyful responses and colorful stories from a talking helmet about the absence of losses. In the cluster of Nazi vehicles in Tonky, art fire began. The fight in Pesky increases intensity. Tanks actively participate in the cluster of Nazis in Tonky. on both sides. We are responding to the positions of artillery in Avdiivka with Grads. The battle began as well in the area of ​​Yasinovataya. While the rifle, near. About an hour ago our gunners had a great hit ukrov with warehouses in Pesky! Loud, bright. Explosions from ammunition depots rumbled for a long time. According to our radio interception, several units of equipment of the Armed Forces burn. Shooting battle shifted deep into the Sand (farther from Donetsk). Intensity diminishes. Bandera artillery behind Pesky periodically gives signs of life - in the direction of the airport, single. "

Today in 1: 17

Message from the blogger "El Muride"


"According to twice confirmed data, right now through Kurakhovo in the direction of Marinka and Donetsk more than 40 minutes the heavy equipment of the APU continues to flow and continues. All equipment goes with minimal illumination at night - obviously, in order to make it difficult to calculate and determine the composition of the column. Nevertheless, in her the whole set is tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, trucks (obviously, with ammunition and infantry).

It seems that the suspicions of the DNR intelligence are quite justified - there is a massive concentration of forces and means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and territorial battalions near the contact line. There is information that parts of the army and terbats that were set aside for wintering in settlements have been returned “to the field”, and they are extremely unimportant with winter clothing. Actually, that is why the withdrawal of troops to the cities was undertaken.

The cleaning of unreliable "Shakhtar" type teams of the rider gets in a different light in the current situation - the most reliable and controllable parts are put forward on the front line, the decomposed are relegated to the rear for re-formation or even for disbandment.

The renewed attacks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the airport distract attention, forces and means of the militia - the most combat-ready units.

Kiev media actively disseminate information allegedly on behalf of Zakharchenko, which was refuted, but the refutation almost went unnoticed. In a statement, Zakharchenko allegedly announced the termination of the ceasefire after today's shelling and a powerful explosion.

According to various estimates, the glazing of almost two areas of the city was almost completely knocked out by the blast wave, while the air temperature is close to zero, although it is still positive.

Olga Kulygina came from Gorlovka - tomorrow she will take pictures, there will be a photo session. According to her, inside the militia there is an endless quarrel right up to the shootings. With the exception of Gorlovka and the zone under the control of Kozitsyn - simply because strangers do not go there. Bezler and Kozitsyn control their plots quite confidently, which cannot be said about all the others. "

Today in 1: 40

Combat report from Givi, Donetsk Airport


"The commander of the" Somalia "unit with the call sign Givi gave a combat report at the airport of Donetsk to the military correspondent Ikorpusa."

Message from the military officer D. Steshin:

"In fact, we have all day, with tiny interruptions, intense artillery fire, almost in all parts of the world. Unusual activity. We collected a whole jacuzzi just in case for water, put all the devices on charge. On the Internet, carefully throw in the beginning of the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Logic: Theoretically, it is possible to disrupt the elections in the DPR, if you take part of the city and arrange Sarajevo here with snipers. The direction of attacks on Donetsk is the same: from Sands and Avdiivka. Givi militia says that 14 full Gradov packages have been released on them today.



Today in 1: 55

Message from the militia Tanaya Cholkhanov


“In anticipation of questions about this report. Nobody changes the strategic line. But we observe tactically - the collapse of the“ truce ”became so obvious that consolidation of forces became an objective necessity. Milan showed that Russia would be guilty only in the fact that And nobody is going to any kind of compromise at the expense of Novorossiya. Are elections possible? Now, the elections are under a huge question, especially after applying “U points” against Donetsk to Novorossia. And the war is our reality today. I personally remain P According to my personal opinion, there are no People in the offices today. During the war, the People don’t have time to vote in combat positions and calculations. "

Today in 2: 35

Review of the 1-th International Brigade for October 20


The past day on the fronts of Novorossia was recorded at least 20 local “truces”, up to “Points-U”.

Donetsk People's Republic
Donetsk - yesterday evening in the capital of the DPR was again marked by fierce shelling of the Kiev district from the Grad MLRS (punitive punishments no less than 7 were shot from the direction of Avdeevka and Opytochny, Artyomovsky district) and the use of phosphorus ammunition (at least 5 times from the direction of the settlement of Pesky, Yasinovatsky district). In the morning, the artillery of the ukrovermht struck a series of blows at the airport and the railway station area, then again struck from the Tochka-U TRK (Voroshilovsky district). Then, from the direction of PGT Sands, a group of nationalgroups, reinforced with 22 units of armored vehicles, attempted to break through to the airport (during a fierce battle, the punishers were pretty battered, most of the armored vehicles were damaged or destroyed, and the attacking group itself was forced to retreat). Fights and shelling at the airport do not stop.

Suburbs
Enakievo - Last night, from the direction of Debaltsevo, punitive artillery shelled Mr. in Savelivka, in turn, the militia from mortar batons at night “cheered up” the roadblocks of the National Police Badges near the village of Olkhovatka.
Makeevka - in the morning, the city was hit from the Grad MLRS (losses and destructions are not specified), after which the punishers attempted to attack the militia positions, but without success.
Marinka - a mobile group of punishers on the ACS at night shelling the city several times, moving after striking.

Other settlements DNR
Dokuchaevsk - the shelling of militia positions in this direction continues, last night the punishers used heavy mortars and beat them from the direction of Volnovakhi.
Debaltseve - local battles and artillery duels continue, as well as periodic attacks by individual militia groups on the national guard forces in the "depth" of the boiler (at night one of the checkpoints of the ukrovermakht was subjected to mortar fire).
Mining district - in the area n. v. Nikishino fierce battles continue and shelling does not subside (the punishers fired three times at the militia positions from the direction of the settlement of Kamenka and the Sharp Grave mound). Similar situation in n. Kumshatskoye, Kruglik and Stryukovo (here the activities of the punitive squadrons are also recorded, an 1 militia was killed during a raid on the checkpoint of the army of New Russia). In turn, at night, the militia from mortars fired at the NKGD in the area n. P. Redkodub.
Yasinovatsky district - in addition to the periodic work of the militia’s artillery to suppress the firing points of the punishers in the village of Pesky, the National Guard Forces in the region of n. p. Thin and Novobakhmutovka

Thus, the intensity of armed clashes in the Donetsk direction of the front does not subside today. There were predictions and assumptions about a possible breakthrough of the ukrovermakht with a view to surrounding Donetsk (from the direction of Makeyevka and by cutting the route to Krasny Luch) by Friday, although with a completely unthinkable explanation - they say, they will not be able to quickly respond to the troops of the junta on weekends and this will give the junta troops an advantage . I believe in the attempted counterattack, but everything else is hell of a hell.

Lugansk People's Republic
Novoaydarsky district - ukroSMI report about taking n. n. Crimean "without a single shot."
The Perevalsky district — yesterday evening artillery of the punishers, sandwiched in the Debaltseve district, caused a massive artillery strike at the Bayrachki railway station and the urban-type settlement Fashchevka. The militias, in turn, fired at positions of the National Parks in the area n. P. Mius.
Slavyanoserbsky district - clashes continue in the area n. Bold: reports a massive attack on a militia checkpoint successfully repulsed. (in turn, ukrovermaht reports on "liberation from the separatists", however, photos of yellow-blakitnyh prapor on each house in the village have not yet been posted, which means the price of the zrada, not the peremogh). Checkpoint militias in the area n. Novogrigorovka was attacked by punishers this morning (using armored vehicles). At the same time, the militia fired at the fortifications of the natsgadov on the bridge in the area n. p. Trekhizbenka.

Thus, the Lugansk direction of the front without significant changes, information about the development of yesterday's situation in Happiness varies (either the assault on the Luganskaya TPP was repulsed - the NSDC version, or the assault as such was not - the militia version; I would venture to suggest that the assault attempt was , but the forces were not enough, as a result, the parties returned to their original positions and retained the status quo).

Occupied Territory
Mariupol - punitive crimes against civilians continue (reportedly a minor girl studying 8 class, hospitalized after rape with ruptures of internal organs and the execution of a civilian car).
Volnovakhsky District - in n. The village of Zlatoustovka and the Novotroitsk punitive of the Azov battalion committed two robberies (mainly they took alcohol and food).

Fresh psaki
A new military genius of Vilna, Ukrii, the head of the Poltorak Defense Ministry, talking about the dashing capture in the vicinity of Lugansk, BTR-80, made an unprecedented geographical discovery. The totalitarian brain of the Mongolian Katsap was hit in the hypothalamus itself - it turns out that Ukraine is already so Europeanly integrated that a new, fifth, side of the world “Eurosever” appeared. Citizen Poltorak told journalists in a television interview. From tse peremoga peremog, from tse myzdobuly! But they thought that without a nuclear Geletey it would be boring, but here the evolution is like - three days in the ministerial chair and immediately this. What will happen next? Reflection of an alien landing with amerikoyuga? Victory over the helminth mutants in the Afro-East? Smuggling "hearty" in Ukraine are not translated, and each new chapter of the Ministry of Defense is initiated through the bite of journalists and Irinka Fahrion.
And, after the departure of Geletei, the ukrovermaht, great and merciless, does not reduce the intensity of the struggle against the invasion of the cursed Muscovites, moreover, it activates. Having survived nuclear mines and armored militia, the Ukroariysky berserks reached a new level of military skill. According to the site times.mrk. ua "the Nikolaev fighter Alexander Tereshchenko during storm by fighters of the Donetsk airport caught the flown enemy projectile, and tried to throw him out." However, journalists modestly did not specify, the projectile from which was - the Grad, the RSZO, howitzers or tanks. But what difference does it make, because the strong spirit of Great Ukriya makes natural cyborgs out of the ordinary Galician couple, and in their mighty hands, the 120-mm mine will seem like a toy. And we sin on Dimka Tymchuk, suspecting a bright person to lie - with such fighters there really are no losses. And those hundreds of abandoned and eaten by dogs or simply decomposing bodies, those fraternal unnamed burials, those mobile crematoriums - obviously, a provocation by the FSB (bloody gebnya disguises millions of corpses of his armored police officers and Pskov paratroopers and scatters in the fields and the slogans). So peremoga!

For losses:
Civilians - 8 / 7
Punishers - the National Security and Defense Council "clarifies", while calling exactly 2 - "200" among its punishers; the militia of the number of enemies killed are not reported.
Militiamen - 4 / 11; according to the National Security and Defense Council, and we know that they cannot but believe, 14 “separatists, 1 mortar and 1 SAUs” destroyed (the number of Grad’s wounded by badminton racket shots, insidiously released by cursed Muscovites directly from the Kremlin, was not specified).

So the war goes on. While ukry in the paroxysms of democracy are fighting under Rada, demanding ... yes, who knows what they are demanding there again, the deputies scored an reinforced concrete proletarian bolt at the important meeting - the last meeting before the elections, where they had to decide on voting over 50 thousand participants n. ATO was torn down. Democratically, in a European way, it is immediately obvious - human rights are in priority! Voting day in Novorossia is nearing, and therefore we will be watching very closely the development of events (and it will certainly be).

Today in 2: 50
20.10.14 Southeast Army Army Summary for October 20 Evening

In areas along the line of contact between the parties, Ukrainian troops stepped up their combat operations. During the day, 10 cases of violation of the cease-fire regime by the Ukrainian side were recorded:
from 11.00 to 14.45 from firing positions in the area of ​​the settlement AVDEEVKA and PESKI made artillery shelling of residential quarters of Kievsky district of DONETSK three times, using a tactical missile system "Tochka-U", a rocket attack on residential buildings on Panfilova Ave. and ul. Rosa Luxemburg in Voroshilovsky district of the city. Damaged 4 high-rise home;
in 12.35, using Grad multiple launch rocket systems, a fire strike was struck at a chemical reagent plant in the Kuybyshevsky District. DONETSK. 2 civilians were injured, warehouses destroyed, administrative building damaged;
in 10.20, mortar shelling of units of the people's militia forces in the area of ​​the settlement was carried out. NIKISHIN;
in 11.45 from the side of the burial mound Grave-Ostra, an artillery bombardment of the southern outskirts of the settlement was carried out. PETROVAGLOVKA. Damaged residential house, destroyed two cars;
in 12.15 from positions in the area of ​​n. TREHIZBENKA of mortars made shelling the position of the LC in the settlement. Bold;
in 14.45 from positions in the area of ​​n. SANDS from Grad multiple rocket launchers made a raid on the Oktyabrskaya mine. Killed 2 civilians.
According to the intelligence of the DPR Army, at a roadblock in the south-eastern outskirts of the settlement of Novoselovka on suspicion of having links with the militias were arrested two young men. So far, their fate and whereabouts information is missing.

Today in 3: 30

Conference with Alexander Alexandrovich Bednov, callsign "Batman"


Open conference live with Alexander Bednov, callsign "Batman", commander of the 4-th battalion, as well as rapid response teams of the RRT.



Today in 3: 45

Report from the front


"The special unit of the GDB Batman destroyed a convoy of punishers near the village of Bold. Ukry were taken by surprise by the militia special forces, their detachment was dispersed, and the equipment was burned."

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  1. +8
    21 October 2014 10: 29
    What the fuck is a "truce" ?! request
    What the hell is "ATO" ?! am
    This is a real WAR !!! soldier
    Moreover, the worst of the wars - CIVIL crying
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 10: 44
      Yeah, it'll be hot soon. I am sure that the militias, too, during this "truce" are not guarding the corn.
  2. +2
    21 October 2014 10: 31
    Most likely, Ukrainians will launch an offensive immediately after the election ...
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 15: 19
      Most likely they are just planning to disrupt the elections in the Donbass and hit before the elections. Since the election for dill will lead to difficult political difficulties. But if it doesn’t allow them to break it and Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky are legitimized, the hunters will have to retreat to the lines of defense under construction. In general, the urks want to confuse all the plans of the Russian Federation and not allow legitimizing the DPR and LPR and unify the all under a single command. By the way, there is infa that Surkov visited Lugansk and put pressure on more or less serious commanders to recognize Plotnitsky and the agreement of Plotnitsky, Mozgovoy and Kozitsin on joint actions happened because Surkov promised them supply channels.
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  5. +4
    21 October 2014 10: 37
    And someone is so happy. Someone is so happy.

    The project is in progress.

    Shell has already sent experts. All a bunch of these guys.
    People are dying. And these sss ... and crush your forehead!
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 10: 46
      yu tube has already covered the video .... wrestlers __ to be for justice ... democracy ...

      [media = http: //vk.com/video251652581_170210640]
    2. wanderer_032
      +1
      21 October 2014 14: 04
      Quote: DEZINTO
      And these sss ... and crush your forehead!


      Looking at this fake "joyful" mattress "Cheese!"
      A great temptation arises for these bread slicers from the foot with the heel straight into the gnaw, so that the "pan-ceramics" is in the throat.
      I am really annoyed by such pictures, whoever filmed.
      The manifestation of moronity and dullness, with this facial expression manifests itself, like nowhere else.
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  7. +3
    21 October 2014 10: 45
    Cossack Guard Artillery: Rapier in response to aggression
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 23: 39
      MT-12 is not very designed for this. So from the lack of better art. The elevation angle is small, the trajectory is flat, the charge cannot be changed (unitary shot).
  8. +2
    21 October 2014 10: 48
    Unlike many, militias correctly understand the position of Russia after Milan and in general.

    Strength to you guys !!!!!
  9. +2
    21 October 2014 10: 51
    Quote: STALGRAD76
    The third photo with a missile from "Tochka" in the background, or how did the militia "Shilkami" get hold of ??

    Yeah, like Shilka! And not one !!! (photo to compare the front end)
  10. Alexander I
    +1
    21 October 2014 10: 52
    Here is the information. Three armored fists aimed at Donetsk have already been formed. Two of them: Avdeevka-Sands, Debaltseve. The blow will be delivered only in Donetsk. The goal of Kiev is to capture a significant part of Donetsk with a swift blow in three directions. So that Russia does not have time to respond and help New Russia. Such a strike with a large number of armored vehicles will scatter and eliminate disparate units of the Militia within 2-3 days. So that tight will have the militias. Played out in a truce.
  11. +2
    21 October 2014 11: 02
    Dear defenders of Novorosia! Courage to you, health and success both on the battlefield and in the offices.
    God help.
    Reading the articles of Rostislav Ishchenko daily, you understand that he is right - as if someone did not want the unity of Ukraine, but this is an illusion or diplomacy. Russia will not leave Novorossia. Everything will change for the better.
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 11: 59
      Quote: shishakova
      Reading the articles of Rostislav Ishchenko daily, you understand that he is right - as if someone did not want the unity of Ukraine, but this is an illusion or diplomacy. Russia will not leave Novorossia. Everything will change for the better.

      As much as I sincerely wish it.
  12. +1
    21 October 2014 11: 15
    You explain to me why they do not take out civilians ??? Then the Ukrainians will not give the corridor if things are bad. They just need to be exported, and not wait for themselves to leave.
  13. +1
    21 October 2014 11: 19
    I looked at the Skype "fraternization" of Mozgovoy with the Ukropovsky "sotniki" yesterday .... under a great impression !!!! the constant mention of a certain third force, which "thrashes from the bushes on one side and on the other", is especially deeply hurt, heats up the situation in order to deprive the independent black soil ...
    .... FSB and SBU - in one bottle !!!! ......
    Cossacks Rostov is not fighting for New Russia !!! They are not under control, they do not want to put up with the junta, it’s a disaster ...
    If Brain - like that ..... well, I don’t know !!!! ... probably we don’t know much.
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 12: 16
      I agree with you, the material is very interesting. In my opinion there is too much populism, on the Ukrainian side to a greater extent. At the same time, in my opinion, such communication is still useful, the war must be stopped. Russians are fighting against Russians, this is a tragedy, really. Russians from the other side stubbornly call themselves Ukrainians. No matter how puffed up the Ukrainian participants in the dialogue, especially the reporters, about the "special" path of Ukraine, but A. B. the rights of the government, the people of Ukraine will have to choose between us and the United States, or rather even between Little Russia and the Ukraine project.
    2. +1
      21 October 2014 12: 39
      About our "aggression", A. B. I could say he answered diplomatically and adequately. The impression was that the bearded reporter was only interested in this question, and not the fact of such communication. conducted with restraint and diplomacy. In principle, it is true, such communication is the first, as it goes on and will continue. I repeat, it is necessary to communicate with adequate people from the other side, it is time to stop this tragedy, Russians are killing Russians. Not a bad offer will be exchanged by reporters, maybe then the media both sides would be objective.
      1. 0
        21 October 2014 14: 16
        Quote: Kilo-11
        , it's time to stop this tragedy - Russians are killing Russians

        But the whole problem for ukrov is "Russian aggression." that its actions are a forced response to the aggressive actions of the West to turn Ukraine into its colony, that the Russian Federation will support those forces that will take a course towards a neutral, non-aligned status of Ukraine, provided that Russophobic and nationalist propaganda in Ukraine stops.
        1. 0
          21 October 2014 15: 41
          It would be nice for Mozgovoy to explain that there was no aggression as such in Crimea. Russian troops did not invade the territory of Ukraine, but blocked Ukrainian military bases in Crimea in order to prevent a similar massacre in New Russia. If aggression took place, there would be a war in hot or in a passive form, but the war, however, the Russian Federation did not declare war on Ukraine, as well as Ukraine-the Russian Federation. A strange aggression is obtained, which in reality did not exist, but was: protecting compatriots from ukrov genocide and granting the people the right to determine their fate alone. The people of Crimea chose accession to the Russian Federation, and the Russian government only satisfied the decision of the people of Crimea. The assistance provided to the Russian Federation by New Russia: humanitarian aid, albeit with ammunition, -not at all pulls on aggression, is something even Ukrainians should understand without any special explanation.
    3. +2
      21 October 2014 13: 23
      - Brotherhood did not notice. Brain tried to be diplomatic. I didn’t take any obligations. It can be seen that he is not counting on the rear.
  14. +1
    21 October 2014 11: 27
    Great conversation on Skype Brain and Ukrainian punitive

    "Video bridge of militias and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Topic of conversation:

    How did Brain's patience suffice to listen to a journalist with a beard? He is a clear provocateur, he does not even try to cover up his rhetoric so that everything would be blamed on the Russian army ...
    Tin ... of course the video with Mozgov ... how much .. they say we don’t want a king for ourselves, but we walk under the heel of Lyashkov and Avakov.
  15. INFOLegioner
    0
    21 October 2014 11: 38
    Svidomo trample on Donetsk to all that they have in the very near future. it is a fact. everyone understands and knows this. what to say or think when to pray even if you are an unbeliever.
  16. pahom54
    +2
    21 October 2014 11: 41
    In the video clip, a conversation on Skype by Mozgovoy and the Ukrainian military thanks to the magazine, it all came down to the fact that Russia was participating in the hostilities in New Russia, and that Russia was an aggressor and wanted to capture Ukraine ... Unfortunately, according to the behavior of these people - Ukrainians (so these are more or less adequate people !!!) it became clear to me personally: there’s absolutely nothing to talk about. The result was a deaf and dumb conversation. Like the Jews, the answer to the opponent’s question is not the answer, but the question of the opposite direction ...
  17. 0
    21 October 2014 11: 52
    Punishers with so many people and technology can achieve a lot, the advantage is considerable. A "humanitarian missile defense" is needed for Donetsk, the punishers have found more suitable missiles for the "Tochki" and are now blowing their nose for a truce and all sorts of agreements
  18. +1
    21 October 2014 11: 56
    ИIT IS INTERESTING, HOW WILL RUSSIA AFTER THE OFFICIAL Cessation of the Ceasefire (although IT ALREADY EXISTS) WILL THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT, THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OR THE PRESIDENT?
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    2. pooka
      0
      21 October 2014 14: 03
      I remind you that Russia is not involved in this conflict !!!!!
  19. +3
    21 October 2014 12: 45
    I listened to the interview ...

    I listened to the pre-election program of "Gramadstva" .... And then I did not ...

    1. Complete neutrality.
    2. Refusal of external debts.
    3. The distribution of resources among the people.

    Bullshit ... Where do such storytellers come from?

    There is no such idiology, it has not grown yet and will grow and mature for a long time. There is not a single country that has successfully implemented this slogan and will not be for a very long time. The same to me the builders of "Ukrainian Communism" ... It would be better to sit at home and not disgrace.

    on point n1 - it does not depend on them now and will not depend on them later. Ukraine for 23 years ran either to Moscow or to the EU or to the United States ... As a result, it ran ... What nafig independence? What are you ... You first figure it out inside the country so that you can then represent its interests outside. Or they think that it is enough to declare that we are independent and all at once - "Oh yes ... We were waiting for this ... Ukraine, you have become an adult ..."

    on point n2 - nonsense ... Gas was supplied by the Russian Federation for 23 years - everything was fine with everyone. Europe, the United States gave loans - everyone was happy with everything ... And now you understand, it is not we who are to blame, but those who were before us ... Babbling a child from a kindergarten. "Where is the money Zin?" ... The Ukrainians will give it away ... if you don't want to give it, there is a chance to join the EU, Russia, NATO, etc. Perhaps they will write off some of you ... But not for nothing ...

    According to paragraph nXNX - for this you need to go the whole way of the revolution (to the end) with a large number of victims and participants, during this time to grow this idiology, grow leaders ... Many non-wine people will suffer, those who have been building their business for a long time, honestly and fairly. .. But who will care? (there is not only Kolomoisky and the company ... there are ordinary hard workers). The right sector is doomed to physical destruction ... The Middle and Upper Class, including the Allegarchy, are also ... But by the way, who will give you?

    Shl ... It seems to me, or is everything going back to normal?
    ZY2 ... Well, we sat and talked ... It's time to diverge ... You don’t have a leader, like Stalin, who could bring order to the country in a week or another ... Despite looking west or east or then ... And there is no government like the country ... The usual feudal war ... 13 heirs - who will get it?
  20. +1
    21 October 2014 13: 57
    The idea of ​​building a dialogue between the warring parties is pretty good in itself, but all this should be more organized. They all come down not to understanding, but to declaring their truth, and the truth, as you know, each has its own. That is why they, as a result of 80 minutes of dialogue, did not come to mutual understanding on any significant issue. The guys only agreed that someone was stopping them from making peace, and that it was necessary to drive away all the villains that prevent the great Ukraine from being strong and independent. But even without their TV bridges, everyone knows and understands, there is no sense in this. In my opinion, in order to increase the productivity of such dialogs, each side should put forward certain theses and be interested in the opinion of the other side, saying whether they agree that ... In addition to expressing your opinion and hearing disagreement / agreement on the other hand, you need explain HOW you have this opinion formed, ask leading questions. The parties to the dialogue (especially the supporters of a united Ukraine) are, by and large, incompetent in issues that they are trying to discuss. Particularly pleased with the journalist, who tried to promote his ideas of neutrality and rejection of external debts. It would be very interesting to hear exactly how he imagines the embodiment of such a program. Does he understand at all that his ideas are more isolation than neutrality, and isolation is not the way to a strong Ukraine at all. Does he understand that the refusal to repay debts will have consequences in the form of the inability to obtain new loans / investments, etc., which again contradicts his idea of ​​a strong Ukraine.
    The parties to the dialogue seemed to agree that they are hostages of the situation, that their country at the moment is a chessboard, the game on which the Russian Federation and the USA are playing. At the same time, if Mozgovoy more realistically looks at things and says that in the end they will still have to take one of the parties, then the dreamers on the other hand will not recognize this. Dreamers at every opportunity recall the Russian Federation, but for some reason they forget to remember the United States. An involuntary conclusion immediately arises, who is whose master. Dreamers need to understand that the only way to peace is to just stop being dreamers. The same Mozgovoy should ask his opponents a question of how they feel about US foreign policy, whether they are familiar with the events in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, what they think about this. How do they relate to NATO's approach to the borders of the Russian Federation, can they consider the situation of Crimea joining the Russian Federation not as an annexation, but as a necessary step to prevent the replacement of the Russian fleet by the NATO fleet. It is necessary to discuss globally, but not who shot someone from the bush.
  21. pooka
    0
    21 October 2014 14: 03
    Yeah ... OkByabrskaya mine it is so okByabrskaya ..
  22. 0
    21 October 2014 14: 48
    "The pride of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex burned out - the T-64BM Bulat tank."

    Yes-ah, the cannon was thoroughly "bitten off" for him. Bravo!
  23. +2
    21 October 2014 16: 13
    Correctly speaks Brain ... For the Soviet Union and without the Ghouls of the oligarchs.
    1. 0
      22 October 2014 01: 24
      Back to USSR 2.0 fellow
  24. +1
    21 October 2014 16: 22
    peacemaker, damn it
  25. 0
    22 October 2014 01: 22
    1.) encouraging attempts to find common ground; The main thing is that in the end it doesn’t turn out that Russia is a common enemy with some fright;
    2.) I didn’t like that Mozgovoy didn’t retort the terms “terrorists”, “separatists” on the repeated use of the terms “fascists”;
    3.) once again they want to throw us at the headstock;
    4.) the Ukrainian army is quite capable of determining the positions of the artillery batteries of the so-called third force with the help of artillery reconnaissance means (for example, the Zoo, which is probably in battle formations in the SE); and act according to the situation, i.e. if this is not a unit of the Ukrainian army, conduct counter-battery fire, send special forces, organize ambushes at points of probable placement of firing positions and on approaches to them; otherwise, deal with and punish negligent commanders;
    5.) It would not be bad to rock the situation towards a joint campaign against Kiev winked .

    PS: about the machinations of the special services - the eggs always interfere with a bad dancer. bully