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Gregory Vanin, Alexander Zhilin. The goals of the war in the Donbass

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The war in the Donbass is under the banner of Russian patriotism and the struggle against the remnants of Nazism, against the revenge of Bandera. This is the position of Novorossiya and people sympathizing with it. Kiev also called the war an anti-terrorist operation (ATO) to restore constitutional order. Almost according to Yeltsin, when the Chechen war started in 1994 by the very same person provoked by him. The war in the Donbass began Turchinov and Yatsenyuk as the highest officials of the government, given to them by the second Maidan. After the withdrawal of the Crimea from Ukraine and its annexation to Russia, Turchinov and Yatsenyuk responded hysterically and reflexively with punitive actions to the protest of the Southeast against lawlessness and Nazi ideology.

Gregory Vanin, Alexander Zhilin. The goals of the war in the Donbass


The protest was at first peaceful and the idea of ​​federalizing the country put forward by the protesters did not violate the very state integrity of Ukraine, but contradicted the goals of the junta, which came to power through the Maidan with the support of the interested West. Plus, the fear of the separation of industrial regions, which intensified after the meeting between Turchinov and Lukashenko in Kiev, who directly told Turchinov that Crimea was surrendered to Kiev without a fight, means voluntarily de facto. What is now stupid to make claims to the Kremlin.

Ukrainian troops and the fleet left the Crimea, not resisting. Turchinov and Ukrainian strategists decided to take revenge for the insult and shame in the Donbas. And at the same time demoralize the social and territorial base of the Party of Regions, a stronghold of supporters of Yanukovych. But, having started a large-scale armed punitive action in the Donbass by forces of the army and Maidan formations, by hired battalions of Kolomoisky and other adventurers, Turchinov and Yatsenyuk in fact tore Ukraine into pieces, destroying all conditions for compromise and reconciliation. The police operation by intentions and in fact turned into a real act of genocide of its own people on grounds of race, faith and belief. The election of President Poroshenko did not change the situation, but only aggravated. Southeast took up weapondefending against the cruel arbitrariness of punitive.

The war in Ukraine reveals multilateral and transnational interests. In Ukraine itself, there is another redistribution of property and a fight between oligarchs for a share in the so-called US shale project. With the loss of the Crimea, this fight only escalated. While the interests of Russian oligarchs and corporations in this conflict and their participation in it are silent. But in this part of interests, compromises and a peaceful resolution of contradictions are possible with sufficient political will, above all, of the Ukrainian authorities. The Minsk negotiations and the truce became possible as a result of direct contacts of Western, Ukrainian and Russian representatives of big business, held the day before abroad.

It became obvious that the main danger lies in persistent attempts to thwart the implementation of the Minsk Memorandum of Ceasefire in the South-East of Ukraine in order to continue the genocide. These attempts are made purposefully by the Ukrainian units, which carry out the will of the parallel centers of power, not subject to either Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk. From these centers comes the threat not only of New Russia, but also of Kiev itself. The main center of this kind is the SBU headed by Nalyvaichenko, who has actually become the Ukrainian division of the CIA since 2004. Other centers competing with each other are also influenced by the US departments and the State Department. First of all, these are the Ministry of Internal Affairs with Avakov, the formations of Parubiya, the “Right Sector” with Yarosh, private illegal formations of Kolomoisky and Lyashko, and other private individuals. Maybe they cheated in the shale project? Or vice versa, did they promise any preferences for disrupting the world? One thing is clear, the same Kolomoisky, having billions in dollars withdrawn from Ukraine in Western banks, cannot be uncontrollable by those who control these banks ...

Thus, the greatest danger is represented by the interests of the United States, to which the Americans are supposedly tacked on the interests of the EU countries, and in fact their budgets are used and mutual responsibility is created, shifting responsibility for crimes.

The war in Donbass pursues the following geopolitical goals. Split the Russians, set them against each other and destroy the basis of the re-creation of the USSR as the unifying Russian idea. Bleed Ukraine and Russia, create around and within Russia hostile regimes based on Russophobia in the form of horseshoe Baltic - Ukraine - Crimea - Caucasus - Volga region (Nazism plus radical ideas of the Islamists) with increasing influence on the South Urals and Central Asia. Move the war from the Donbass to Russia and its regions. Cut off Europe from the Russian Federation and control all gas and oil supplies, other raw materials from Russia to Europe, in order to change the hydrocarbon market in favor of US transnational companies. In the conditions of financial crisis and the threat of falling dollar, this is a matter of life and death of the American economy and the survival of the American state. This is the agony of American foreign policy. The agonizing colossus is capable of anything.
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  1. kotev19
    kotev19 21 October 2014 19: 02
    +12
    This is the position of New Russia and its sympathizers. Kiev called the war an anti-terrorist operation (ATO) to restore constitutional order.


    It is impossible to call the "operation" legitimate when the Ukrainian junta itself came to power in the most anti-constitutional way!
    1. DV69
      DV69 21 October 2014 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: kotev19
      This is the position of New Russia and its sympathizers. Kiev called the war an anti-terrorist operation (ATO) to restore constitutional order.


      It is impossible to call the "operation" legitimate when the Ukrainian junta itself came to power in the most anti-constitutional way!


      Nevertheless, this illegal power (junta) was recognized by Western countries, primarily the United States, and received legitimization of illegal actions from these countries.
      1. ermolai
        ermolai 22 October 2014 04: 20
        0
        Quote: DV69
        In the context of the financial crisis and the threat of a falling dollar, this is a matter of life and death of the American economy and the survival of the American state. This is the agony of American foreign policy. An agonizing colossus is capable of anything.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 October 2014 19: 13
      +8
      The goal of New Russia in this war is to gain freedom from fascist Ukraine and stop the genocide of the Russian people.
      1. DV69
        DV69 21 October 2014 19: 30
        +2
        Quote: Giant thought
        The goal of New Russia in this war is to gain freedom from fascist Ukraine and stop the genocide of the Russian people.


        And no one does not argue with the goals of New Russia. I will say more, I fully support this goal.
        Just Russia and the West differently assess the legitimacy of the actions of the Kiev authorities.
        To me personally, the position of Russia is close and understandable, as is the position of the West.
      2. ermolai
        ermolai 22 October 2014 04: 23
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The goal of New Russia in this war is to gain freedom from fascist Ukraine and stop the genocide of the Russian people.

        The goal will be achieved, the victory will be ours! as always it was. FSA must be destroyed!
  2. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 21 October 2014 19: 07
    +1
    "The agonizing colossus is capable of anything" like a cornered rat.
  3. Renat
    Renat 21 October 2014 19: 08
    +2
    The goal is one. Confronting world evil in the face of the 300t committee.
  4. Denis fj
    Denis fj 21 October 2014 19: 14
    +6
    As you remember, Kiev hesitated for a long time to begin a punitive operation, and he would never have decided on it. But the United States ultimately demanded to start a war. They needed blood and the entry of Russian troops into the Donbass. In order to drive a wedge between Russia and Germany: after all, almost half of Russian industry belongs to shareholders from Germany. And the Germany-Russia-China economic alliance began to take shape, which for the USA meant the end of geopolitical domination in the world. But Russia hesitated. Then a provocation was invented with a Boeing. Which, with the involvement of all US agents in Europe and in the world and the direct blackmail of politicians, still yielded results. Merkel was broken, all her agreements with Putin went to dust, as the Germans hoped to gain independence from the United States.
    And Ukraine is just a pawn in the US game. She was sacrificed. And the EU's inevitable collapse of Ukraine is even beneficial. Small pieces are easier to swallow. Remember Yugoslavia. Politicians and oligarchs turned out to be stupid politicians who do not understand anything in international relations and believe in liberal stories. And not even having an idea of ​​how the economy works and works. They only know how to cut, bribing bureaucrats
  5. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 21 October 2014 19: 18
    +1
    Quote: Denis fj
    As you remember, Kiev hesitated for a long time to begin a punitive operation, and he would never have decided on it. But the United States ultimately demanded to start a war. They needed blood and the entry of Russian troops into the Donbass. In order to drive a wedge between Russia and Germany: after all, almost half of Russian industry belongs to shareholders from Germany. And the Germany-Russia-China economic alliance began to take shape, which for the USA meant the end of geopolitical domination in the world. But Russia hesitated. Then a provocation was invented with a Boeing. Which, with the involvement of all US agents in Europe and in the world and the direct blackmail of politicians, still yielded results. Merkel was broken, all her agreements with Putin went to dust, as the Germans hoped to gain independence from the United States.
    And Ukraine is just a pawn in the US game. She was sacrificed. And the EU's inevitable collapse of Ukraine is even beneficial. Small pieces are easier to swallow. Remember Yugoslavia. Politicians and oligarchs turned out to be stupid politicians who do not understand anything in international relations and believe in liberal stories. And not even having an idea of ​​how the economy works and works. They only know how to cut, bribing bureaucrats

    Something like this:
  6. Leonardo
    Leonardo 21 October 2014 19: 19
    0
    I don't know about the others, but when I hear "USA" my fists itch.
  7. Peacemaker of the USSR
    Peacemaker of the USSR 21 October 2014 19: 25
    +5
    The author does not compare crap, compare Chechnya 1994. and Ukraine 2014 If sclerosis or infancy does not allow, do not draw analogies.
    Was
    1. Peacemaker of the USSR
      Peacemaker of the USSR 21 October 2014 20: 06
      +8
      The author does not compare crap, compare Chechnya 1994. and Ukraine 2014 If sclerosis or infancy does not allow, do not draw analogies.
      There was another 3 years, to put it mildly, the Chechen "mess": AVIZO, seizure of weapons, murders, robberies on the railway, racketeering, violence, rape, ethnic cleansing, hostage-taking, slave trade and the severed heads at the end of 1994.
      If not for betrayal in the environment of E.B.N. , then everything could end in an operation to eliminate Dudaev.
      1. zen-do.ru
        zen-do.ru 21 October 2014 23: 33
        +1
        And what did EBN do?
        He did not try with all his might to ruin everything in the USSR, and then in Russia?
        Was this mess not in Russia?
        This is not Yeltsin and Co. divorced and provoked him?
        Yes, any Mukhodrishchensk-Ryazan would want to separate from EBNta ...
        It was a provocation, pushing to this war from both sides, it was previously seen even on TV. Even before the war, it’s clear what was going on. And now, de Yeltsin to do with it? At least, he snapped and allowed himself to provoke.
        Foreman from a detoxification station ...
        Was it hard to put things in order?
        To such as he is impossible
        it is clear... what
        1. ermolai
          ermolai 22 October 2014 04: 30
          0
          so he was appointed by the regional committee from the FSA, he went for an indulgence, or more precisely a label on the board, he fell out of the plane, conducted the orchestra for joy, he lost the Crimea, once he was, Bukhalovo sour at the table, and the Kuchma asked him about Don for the Crimea, and now there are a lot of problems, and I don’t care that the corn creature illegally handed it over to the dill, they don’t want to hear about it, and they don’t remember articles from international law.
  8. Leonidych
    Leonidych 21 October 2014 19: 26
    +2
    give the USSR 2.0 !!!
    1. ermolai
      ermolai 22 October 2014 04: 51
      0
      Quote: Leonidych
      give the USSR 2.0 !!!

      Well, in that zh.dovskom form I don’t really want to, but I would like to return a lot from the USSR, I don’t know the responsibility for the work being done, as I put it in words, it was if a decision is made it should be rational, economical, to the benefit country, people. feeling and actions of the owner in his household. and such as farts to the wall set. for fallen satellites, many heads and stars fell there, and there would be no hodors. and if someone where something, shortening would immediately come
      1. Kacar0005
        Kacar0005 22 October 2014 10: 54
        0
        Quote: ermolai
        if a decision is made then it should be rational, economical,

        Well, don’t. They threw resources right and left, nobody considered them.
      2. The comment was deleted.
  9. Vorlon
    Vorlon 21 October 2014 19: 27
    +1
    How did you get this malignant tumor called the United States. No. .
    Question ?: How would you live without empty space?
  10. andrew42
    andrew42 21 October 2014 19: 38
    +6
    "To play off Ukraine and Russia" is a strange formulation. So they ALREADY bleed it! This is not a PURPOSE, it is already a RESULT, with which you will have to live for a long time. No less strange are the statements that Poroshenko does not control something there. This nonsense has been exaggerated in the Russian media lately, repeating itself from report to report as a learned mantra. So Poroshenko and DO NOT NEED TO CONTROL EVERYTHING. There, in the former Ukraine, a fairly tolerable distribution of roles and responsibilities under the leadership of curators from the United States. Some animals stimulate genocide in Donbass (Turchinov, Avakov Lyashko, Yarosh), other liars portray those capable of negotiations (Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk), others are in reserve "where they will be sent" (Timoshenok, Klitschko). This is ONE TEAM. Team of the state of Nazi Ukraine under US protectorate. Previously, the United States had no other move than to break the remnants of the former Soviet republic in the person of "Yanukovych's Ukraine." And now Russia has no other choice but to break this Nazi state, a US colony. Just to achieve a result, it is necessary at least to stop the "Nazi plague" by defending Novorossiya. Any means are suitable for this. The general provisions of the article are correct, but this is more a statement of truths already realized for a long time. But the lack of understanding of the details sets up. In short, plus or minus, I can't put anything to the article.
    1. ermolai
      ermolai 22 October 2014 04: 53
      0
      excellent said!
  11. vsoltan
    vsoltan 21 October 2014 21: 11
    0
    Another weird article from these authors ... the second in the last 3 days ... why publish it?
  12. serg6231
    serg6231 21 October 2014 21: 16
    +1
    "to control all supplies of gas, oil and other raw materials from Russia to Europe in order to change the hydrocarbon market in favor of US transnational companies"
    I do not understand something like this occupy Russia ???
  13. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 October 2014 21: 25
    +7
    If we lose in this battle ... I think nothing will happen!
    The publication of Igor Strelkov's manifesto "Putin's Decade Brought Back Hope for Revival in Russia" became, perhaps, the main political event of the week. Many bloggers and commentators have already dubbed this text "Answer to Khodorkovsky," who made a keynote speech at the Freedom House site.
    An open confrontation between the two political heavyweights has begun. How will the battle end and how will it redraw the Russian political space?
    http://www.igorstrelkov.ru/blog/31-putinskoe-desyatil..

    Such as Khodor rule in Kiev (only in comparison with him are complete idios) Khodor is cynical and smart and still very angry with Russia for 10 years of imprisonment (for the case a thief and a murderer "customer") and he is eager (not directly, of course) to authorities .. Jews got angry with us really ..! (The most offensive money earned on us and there were no pogroms) Fat jackpot Russia can be seen and the main goal in world domination! Whoever captures it will rule the planet .. until it completely destroys it .. Something carried me .. laughing laughing
    1. zen-do.ru
      zen-do.ru 21 October 2014 23: 37
      -1
      Strelkov's theses are too verbose.
      If he wants to be read and listened carefully, he must learn to express himself shorter.
    2. vsoltan
      vsoltan 21 October 2014 23: 56
      0
      mihan

      Vitaly, this is not your problem. It carries, in fact, all Russian people / I mean, all those who love Russia, live in it and accept Russian values ​​/ ... the same guys you mentioned, for the most part - and I don't mean oligarchic the stratum - they just annoyed absolutely everyone, and at the DOMESTIC level .. they were annoyed by unconstructive opposition to any government, endless whining "how bad I am here", "I have to go, Abram Isakovich" ... and where DO THEY work as steelworkers or janitors? Not a single beggar ... ida, ... I don't know ... just don't need them to start talking about the genetic mind ... they would be smart, in the last 700 years they would not drive from state to another ... well, they ran all over Europe , but in Russia it turned out not bad .. Indeed, in recent years they began to annoy ... not only with their position on Crimea ... historically, all major pogroms were arranged in Little Russia and a little west .. and are they not afraid that the primordial Russia will shake? In vain, it won't be enough ... it's time to change your mind and behave decently, no matter how patient the Russian people are, a little more - it will burst out ... maybe already start packing their bags for them? Jews, naturally, are good in Israel, I respect those, otherwise all the guano that talks about liberal values ​​is inappropriate here ... so "suitcase, station ..." and wherever you want ...
    3. soviet skytourist
      soviet skytourist 22 October 2014 00: 16
      +1
      the main thing is that the Khodorkovsky, Kolomoisky and the like would get what they deserve, and not some kind of Edik expensive home from work
  14. Pathfinder_II
    Pathfinder_II 21 October 2014 21: 58
    +1
    You can at least swear at me, minuscule and do anything you like, but I believe that a preventive strike was needed on the Ukrainian troops being pulled to the Donbass at the very beginning of this story, physical sweeping of the government and the withdrawal of troops. Georgians in 2008 received a bread, the states hissed, hissed and stopped. Nobody wants 3MB and the end of the world. Now it is not too late to strike, especially since the main enemy forces are localized in several large centers. We are therefore aggressors for the entire Western world, and these actions will only strengthen our position as people of our own word, if we promised to stand up for our own people, then we must.
  15. dima-fesko
    dima-fesko 21 October 2014 23: 02
    0
    The agonizing colossus is capable of anything!

    Capable, but not all! The USA will not enter into an open military conflict with Russia, the gut is thin. But it’s good to yap and rake the stool of Europe with their hands, they can arrange it. But Europe still remembers the liberators, and it will also evade a direct military conflict!

    September 6, 2014 22:56 | War on the doorstep

    There will be no war in the foreseeable future. A number of prerequisites have not yet been created for this. According to Zadornov, “Americans are stupid,” but at the same time, Americans are very pragmatic and know how to count money and expenses. What can get involved in a war. Correctly! Huge income! In order for the Americans to become the “hegemon of the world”, Russia needs to be deprived of its resources and minerals, and this can only be achieved through occupation, or by buying up territories, which is impossible in principle. When planning military operations, they take into account possible losses. With an aggregate loss of 5%, they refuse to carry it out. With all the unresolved issues available in Russia (especially roads), the Russian army is not a whipping boy. This is not Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yugoslavia, etc. And we have weapons not of the 19th century. In short, American coffins will cause internal contradictions (rebellion) of the population, protests of the dissatisfied, a political war between Republicans and Democrats. Confusion and reeling. The hegemony of America is only in the complete destruction of Russia, but by what forces? The advancing side must have 3-fold superiority. You imagine the Russian "Normandy"! Me not! Of course, it is best for the Americans to do everything with the “hands” of Europe. But Europe itself will substitute itself by entering the war (or by giving a corridor for passage). She still remembers the Russians. Burgers like Russian gas, and their own beer with pork legs. Why and for what ideals flattery for trouble. In order to wipe your feet about Russia, you need to bring it to a state, well, somewhere in 1986-1990. What is currently impossible!
  16. Alfizik
    Alfizik 21 October 2014 23: 24
    0
    One thing is not clear: why Ukrainians do not think about the fact that they are systematically being dragged into the swamp. Well, they taught them to hate Russia, but why does the instinct of self-preservation not work? There is only one conclusion: society is sick. Not the people, namely society! And no vaccination will help.
  17. zen-do.ru
    zen-do.ru 21 October 2014 23: 41
    +1
    Quote: Alfizik
    it’s good to yelp and rake stools with the hands of Europe, they can arrange it. But Europe still remembers the liberators, and it will also evade a direct military conflict!


    1. They don’t need anything until they are killed.
    My hut is on the edge.
    Most of it is both there and in Russia.

    2. They do not believe that they can change anything.
    Moreover, change for the better.
    Many on the Maidan were initially simply against corruption, for a legitimate and honest government, etc. Nationalists are a pitiful couple of percent. And how did it end?
  18. PWG
    PWG 21 October 2014 23: 42
    0
    There is only one cure for Nazism - physical destruction!
  19. avia1991
    avia1991 21 October 2014 23: 45
    0
    So what? .. A new "version" of the true goals of the mattress toppers from Zhilin ..
    The Minsk talks and the ceasefire became possible as a result of direct contacts of Western, Ukrainian and Russian representatives of big business, held the day before abroad.
    This is an indicator of what? The idea of ​​a truce was issued by the President. And for some reason this happened in the midst of the militia attack! So what conclusions should we draw? ..
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 October 2014 03: 39
    -1
    ... the greatest danger is represented by the interests of the United States, to which the Americans allegedly fasten the interests of the EU countries, but in fact their budgets are used and mutual responsibility is created, responsibility for crimes is shifted.


    Therefore, Novorossia is struggling not only with Ukrainian fascism, but also with the geopolitical ambitions of the United States.
  21. SveTok
    SveTok 22 October 2014 06: 21
    0
    What reflexes are there, that Turchinov’s, that Yatsenyuk has one reflex to process manure, Obama therefore uses them to the fullest, except for manure, nothing interests them, therefore illegal weapons are used, civilians die, but all this is convulsions of the passing century and through it is our destiny to pass.
  22. sgr291158
    sgr291158 22 October 2014 06: 38
    +1
    All evil in the world comes from America. God remembered about himself that they climb everywhere where they are not asked.
  23. press officer
    press officer 22 October 2014 08: 12
    0
    Quote: serg6231
    I don’t understand something.


    EXACTLY! They want to occupy Russia! am Hodor Vaughn has already launched a "campaign to overthrow the GDP"! am