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OSCE refused German and French "assistance" in monitoring the situation in Donbass

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As it is known, the German military department offered the OSCE mission working in Ukraine its own unmanned aerial vehicles for monitoring the “demilitarized” zone. At the same time, the Bundeswehr said that, along with the UAVs, at least 200 German troops should be sent to Ukraine to monitor the work of the UAV.

German edition "Deutsche Welle" publishes material stating that the OSCE has refused such services from the Bundeswehr. "Deutsche Welle" quotes the OSCE representative:

We always welcome any offers of assistance from member countries of our organization. However, the participation of military personnel is contrary to the mandate of our mission in Ukraine.


OSCE refused German and French "assistance" in monitoring the situation in Donbass


OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier said that he had to refuse not only German help, but also French proposals, since in all these cases the authorities of the mentioned countries report that together with the equipment they will also “help” the paratroopers. Zannier notes that in the present circumstances it is simply unacceptable. At the same time, the head of the OSCE states that the conditions of Berlin and Paris would not be accepted by Russia, which is also a full member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
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  1. Owl27
    Owl27 20 October 2014 19: 53
    +24
    Lamberto Zannier had the courage to refuse them, even though they behave honestly.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 20 October 2014 19: 56
      +10
      Zannier notes that in the current environment this is simply unacceptable.


      Not everyone there in Europe fell under the United States along the way, there are sane people
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 20 October 2014 20: 11
        +12
        I suppose their paratroopers wanted to help the militia in this way? wink

        In the LPR, politicians and commanders agreed, it is gratifying:
        The LPR Army, the Cossacks and the "Phantom" brigade of A. Mozgovoy united in a single fist!

        In Lugansk, a meeting was held between the Head of the LPR, I. Plotnitsky, Ataman of the Great Don Troops N. Kozitsyn, and the commander of the Lugansk People’s Militia brigade "Phantom" A. Mozgovoy. Following the meeting, the parties announced the achievement of agreement and the joining of efforts in the liberation of the Lugansk People’s Republic from the Ukrainian occupation forces, as well as a joint coordinated attack.

        “The second stop in Kiev. We warned, ”the LPR military leaders said.

        1. opus
          opus 20 October 2014 20: 35
          +2
          "second stop in Kiev"
          +
        2. Will
          Will 21 October 2014 00: 20
          +4
          But what prevents the DPR and LPR from uniting?
      2. Момент
        Момент 20 October 2014 20: 15
        +4
        At least someone’s head turned on, especially since the Germans didn’t work out in Ukraine, remember the gum load.
      3. doctor
        doctor 20 October 2014 20: 49
        +1
        Trust me. Most of them.
    2. Siberian German
      Siberian German 20 October 2014 20: 10
      +1
      aunty aunty give me some water to drink, but I really want to have nowhere to sleep - this is just about the Fritz with the paddles
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 October 2014 20: 15
      +1
      At least one sensible politician has appeared in Europe.
    4. AQUARIUS 65
      AQUARIUS 65 20 October 2014 20: 18
      +3
      Owl27
      Lamberto Zannier had the courage to refuse them, even though they behave honestly.

      Vague doubts plague me again. Moreover, for such a refusal, it was absolutely not required, I think, like honesty. If, indeed, the OSCE has a need for drones, they will be used by them. And since the military is mainly capable of exploiting them, they will begin to do this. Only they will be dressed in civilian clothes and passed off as civilian specialists. And Lamberto Zannier has enough "courage" and "honesty" for this.
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 20 October 2014 20: 34
        0
        Quote: AQUARIUS 65
        If, indeed, the OSCE has a need for drones ...

        Let the Israelis be asked to help.
        Time goes on, shooting goes on, people die ... and the war will begin again. Then UAVs are not required. request
        1. persei
          persei 20 October 2014 20: 39
          +4
          I don’t know, guys, maybe a duck ...
          On March 15, on the website of Russian Technologies, information appeared that two days earlier in the sky above Perekop the MQ-5B reconnaissance-strike drone was intercepted. A week before, the Crimean media reported about the same type of drone shot down by self-defense fighters. To date, the American identity of the UAV has finally become clear. Judging by the airborne markings, he was part of the 66th American military intelligence brigade with a main location in Bavaria.
          According to some reports, in particular, of the anaga.ru portal, in early March 2014 the aforementioned reconnaissance brigade was transferred to Ukrainian Kirovograd. It is from here that the aircraft make reconnaissance raids in the direction of the Crimea and the Russian border regions.
          The captured MQ-5B was at an altitude of about 4000 meters from the setting sun and was not visible from the ground. According to the “Military observer”, he was intercepted with the help of the Russian complex of electronic warfare (EW) 1L2 22 “Autobase” and went to the self-defense forces almost intact. The Russian radio-electronic system broke the connection of the UAV with its American operators, after which the aircraft made an emergency landing.
          Read on: http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/83772/
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 October 2014 21: 16
            +2
            Quote: persei
            According to the "Military observer", he was intercepted with the help of the Russian electronic warfare complex (EW) 1L2 22 "Motor depot


            Cool. Only with the help of Avtobaza it is impossible to do this.
            1. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS 21 October 2014 01: 31
              0
              Moreover, when the connection is broken, as far as I remember, the UAV unfolds and blows along the track back to the departure point, so that it will blur on the autopilot closer to the start point.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 20 October 2014 20: 48
      +1
      Really broke? Although, everything is natural hi
    7. Lelek
      Lelek 20 October 2014 22: 07
      +2
      Quote: Owl27
      Lamberto Zannier had the courage to refuse them, even though they behave honestly.


      IMHO. No more than playing good-bad, although people with a sound mind have a place to be, but their mouths are shut and their hands are tied.
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 21 October 2014 01: 36
        0
        Whoever will not be sent, you can express condolences, because they will find themselves between two fires and risk their lives. It seems that with the latest use of the "U" point in Donetsk by the ukrovoy, it was perfectly shown that the OSCE mission in Ukraine is not respected, not considered. And, in my opinion, the presence of representatives of exclusively neutral countries, not NATO, is desirable in the OSCE mission in this country. repeat
  2. Rimsler2014
    Rimsler2014 20 October 2014 19: 53
    +1
    they did the right thing, otherwise it smelled strongly of provocation
    1. Denis fj
      Denis fj 20 October 2014 20: 06
      +1
      Not certainly in that way. Germany itself did not decide to give the devices. First, Beck denied that the decision to send police and unmanned vehicles was made. Secondly, in Germany it is noted that Ukraine is not able to ensure the safety of devices. And thirdly, German vehicles are not suitable for winter weather conditions in the Donbass. Risk of icing.
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      2. Alf
        Alf 21 October 2014 00: 17
        0
        Quote: denis fj
        Not certainly in that way. Germany itself did not decide to give the devices. First, Beck denied that the decision to send police and unmanned vehicles was made. Secondly, in Germany it is noted that Ukraine is not able to ensure the safety of devices. And thirdly, German vehicles are not suitable for winter weather conditions in the Donbass. Risk of icing.

        Is there something to supply? Here the article flashed about the fact that the actual combat effectiveness of the Bundeswehr is very low. The technical readiness of airplanes, helicopters and panzerov does not exceed 40%. Most likely, with drones the same garbage. At first they announced the delivery, then they considered the real possibilities, got into it and made a good face with a bad game.
  3. Cossack Lee Hoy
    Cossack Lee Hoy 20 October 2014 19: 55
    +2
    What happened to this office of the (OSCE) - the left heel of the EU? "I don't recognize you in makeup ..." (c)
  4. Drunya
    Drunya 20 October 2014 20: 01
    0
    However, the participation of military personnel is contrary to the mandate of our mission

    knocked, knocked - our diplomats and politicians, and not really knocked good
    well done.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 October 2014 20: 18
      +1
      On the contrary. They do this so that there are no leaks.

      The data of the OSCE observers who worked in South Ossetia in August 2008 is still classified information, there is only a general report in which they tried to blame both sides.
      1. 31rus
        31rus 21 October 2014 08: 20
        0
        Are you sure of this? There was a message from the militias, an order to shoot down drones, if there were no notifications from the OSCE, the area and time of monitoring, you think it was so simply accepted.
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  6. Siberian
    Siberian 20 October 2014 20: 01
    +2
    ......... Let the goat into the garden ... in this case = goats = and that will remain from the garden. So everything is correct .............
  7. pvv113
    pvv113 20 October 2014 20: 01
    +4
    OSCE head says Russia would not accept Berlin and Paris

    It’s a little incomprehensible - is this consciousness waking up or conscience? request
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 October 2014 00: 19
      0
      Quote: pvv113
      OSCE head says Russia would not accept Berlin and Paris
      It’s a little incomprehensible - is this consciousness waking up or conscience?

      Hardly. Most likely, the fifth point signaled an impending fifth point.
  8. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 20 October 2014 20: 02
    0
    "along with the equipment" will help "the paratroopers as well"
    A question from a textbook on the methodology of using airborne troops in a local conflict: "How many UAVs need to be launched over the territory of a" third "world country, so that the Pskov Airborne Division could safely land in the eyes of the" world community "... ?!
  9. Neighbor
    Neighbor 20 October 2014 20: 07
    0
    Yes, I do not want smart people to get into a muddy business.
  10. Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. 20 October 2014 20: 07
    +1
    But as the last of Hitler and Napoleon rush into battle! Maybe you should have given them such a chance.
  11. Stinger
    Stinger 20 October 2014 20: 12
    +1
    Are you afraid that they will steal without paratroopers?
  12. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 20 October 2014 20: 20
    +3
    Who does not wake the German soldier help, he wakes up to love, as it is in Russian: sa .. sa .., Salo, herr policeman? Nine, bacon! laughing
  13. UralMan
    UralMan 20 October 2014 20: 29
    +1
    OSCE:

    We always welcome any offers of assistance from member countries of our organization. However, the participation of military personnel is contrary to the mandate of our mission in Ukraine.

    AND FROM YOU AS FROM A GOAT OF MILK ...
    Visibility alone
  14. crambol
    crambol 20 October 2014 20: 40
    +1
    At the same time, the Bundeswehr said that together with drones, at least 200 German troops should be sent to Ukraine, who will have to control the operation of the UAV.


    ... as well as a tank corps for the protection of the above.


    1. Alf
      Alf 21 October 2014 00: 23
      +3
      Quote: crambol
      At the same time, the Bundeswehr said that together with drones, at least 200 German troops should be sent to Ukraine, who will have to control the operation of the UAV.

      ... as well as a tank corps for the protection of the above.
  15. lexx2038
    lexx2038 20 October 2014 20: 41
    +5
    Yes, long ago planes with crosses did not fly over Russian land. Probably missed the planes with the stars.
  16. dimasialyt
    dimasialyt 20 October 2014 20: 46
    +1
    The OSCE is such a poor organization that it does not have its own drones and personnel ?! It's hard to believe!
  17. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 October 2014 21: 17
    0
    It’s good to hear that they, there, have not dried up their brains.
  18. gas113
    gas113 20 October 2014 21: 26
    +2
    Germans will be teased "yayko, milk Merkel kaput"
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 20 October 2014 22: 04
      0
      Merkel, milky, Merkel, egg, Merkel sanctioned kaput! Sabotage is not good! Sabotage is a little hang!
    2. Alf
      Alf 21 October 2014 00: 24
      +3
      Quote: gas113
      Germans will be teased "yayko, milk Merkel kaput"
  19. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 20 October 2014 21: 34
    +4
    IN 1986, EVERYTHING, WHEN IN POLAND, MY ONE FROM FAMILIAR RESPONSES TO RESPECT, PASSED BY HIS POST OF NAZZMEN, SUGGESTED 3-5 MINUTES AND GIVEN THE BUT IN THE LOB- I HAVE IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY !!! TIME HAS MUCH Ever since. THEIR BRAINS WAS DIED
  20. Mol
    Mol 20 October 2014 21: 41
    0
    It looks like the Fritz want to return to Ukraine again, to remember the "exploits" of their grandfathers, to roam the Ukrainian land - "cock, eggs, milk, girl, come on, come on!" laughing
  21. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 20 October 2014 21: 47
    0
    WHAT ARE FROGEN FROGERS. TRYED NOT TO GIVE UP, BUT HAVE GIVEN IMMEDIATELY AND WIN THE WHOLE WINES FOR WAR, AND AT THE SAME TIME, FORGIVEN INDUSTRY, LEARNING THIS ALL EUROPE BECAUSE OUR GRANDFULS WERE. IN FAVOR OF THIS POLICY, WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND (WE ALSO HAVE THE DESERVED PILOTS OF THE FRENCH FORCES OF NORMANDY) WITH THEM. A NATION THAT WAS WINNING AT LEAST 1 BOTTLE = WEAK TO BRAIN TESTIS! WAR IS GOING! Do we, the past that went to try to whine in front of PUPPIES.!?
  22. Demob 2012
    Demob 2012 20 October 2014 22: 22
    0
    It turns out sane and in the West there, only a few of them.
  23. Mih
    Mih 20 October 2014 22: 57
    0
    OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier said that it is necessary to refuse not only German assistance, but also French proposals (foreign legion), since in all these cases the authorities of the mentioned countries report that they will also “help” the paratroopers with perfect shit along with the equipment , mostly known personally to the generals, behind them was the experience of gas destruction of mentally ill compatriots and even more so Slavs. love
  24. Observer2014
    Observer2014 21 October 2014 00: 24
    +1
    OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier said that one has to refuse not only Germany’s help, but also French proposals, since in all these cases the authorities of the mentioned countries report that they will also “help” the paratroopers with the equipment: FRIENDLY ON ............... AND ONCE AGAIN ON .............. N !!! I once lived in Germany and the Germans often complained that their country was, as it were, to put it mildly, well, in general, not authoritative, in matters of global politics. THERE ARE THREE CENTERS IN THE WORLD IT IS USA, RUSSIA AND CHINA, and everything else is the satellites of these centers. But if two of these cents create at least a friendly alliance, everyone else will have to sit and sniff in two holes.
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  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 21 October 2014 05: 41
    +1
    While Pod Obama’s Merkel will be in power, it is better to push Germany away from foreign policy until better times.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 October 2014 05: 47
      0
      Putin to Merkel - "Is there a gas stove? Yes, well, throw it out" smile
  27. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 21 October 2014 09: 24
    0
    Quote: fennekRUS
    Moreover, when the connection is broken, as far as I remember, the UAV unfolds and blows along the track back to the departure point, so that it will blur on the autopilot closer to the start point.

    The trick is that it is guided by a GPS signal (most likely, "military range"). And if this signal is muffled, where will it fly? "Inertial" navigation systems do not seem to be installed on drones ... (although I could be wrong)