OSCE refused German and French "assistance" in monitoring the situation in Donbass

As you know, the German military department offered the OSCE mission working in Ukraine its unmanned aerial vehicles to monitor the "demilitarized" zone. At the same time, the Bundeswehr stated that, together with drones at least 200 German troops must be sent to Ukraine, who will have to control the operation of the UAV.

German edition "Deutsche Welle" publishes material stating that the OSCE has refused such services from the Bundeswehr. "Deutsche Welle" quotes the OSCE representative:

We always welcome any offers of assistance from member countries of our organization. However, the participation of military personnel is contrary to the mandate of our mission in Ukraine.

OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier said that he had to refuse not only German help, but also French proposals, since in all these cases the authorities of the mentioned countries report that together with the equipment they will also “help” the paratroopers. Zannier notes that in the present circumstances it is simply unacceptable. At the same time, the head of the OSCE states that the conditions of Berlin and Paris would not be accepted by Russia, which is also a full member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

Comments

[Owl27]

Lamberto Zannier had the courage to refuse them, even though they behave honestly.

[herruvim]

Zannier notes that in the current environment this is simply unacceptable.

Not everyone there in Europe fell under the United States along the way, there are sane people

[Paradoxov]

I suppose their paratroopers wanted to help the militia in this way?

In the LPR, politicians and commanders agreed, it is gratifying:

The LPR Army, the Cossacks and the "Phantom" brigade of A. Mozgovoy united in a single fist!

In Lugansk, a meeting was held between the Head of the LPR, I. Plotnitsky, Ataman of the Great Don Troops N. Kozitsyn, and the commander of the Lugansk People’s Militia brigade "Phantom" A. Mozgovoy. Following the meeting, the parties announced the achievement of agreement and the joining of efforts in the liberation of the Lugansk People’s Republic from the Ukrainian occupation forces, as well as a joint coordinated attack.

“The second stop in Kiev. We warned, ”the LPR military leaders said.

[opus]

"second stop in Kiev"
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[Will]

But what prevents the DPR and LPR from uniting?

[Момент]

At least someone’s head turned on, especially since the Germans didn’t work out in Ukraine, remember the gum load.

[doctor]

Trust me. Most of them.

[Siberian German]

aunty aunty give me some water to drink, but I really want to have nowhere to sleep - this is just about the Fritz with the paddles

[Giant thought]

At least one sensible politician has appeared in Europe.

[AQUARIUS 65]

Owl27
Lamberto Zannier had the courage to refuse them, even though they behave honestly.

Vague doubts plague me again. Moreover, for such a refusal, it was absolutely not required, I think, like honesty. If, indeed, the OSCE has a need for drones, they will be used by them. And since the military is mainly capable of exploiting them, they will begin to do this. Only they will be dressed in civilian clothes and passed off as civilian specialists. And Lamberto Zannier has enough "courage" and "honesty" for this.

[zanoza]

Quote: AQUARIUS 65

If, indeed, the OSCE has a need for drones ...

Let the Israelis be asked to help.
Time goes on, shooting goes on, people die ... and the war will begin again. Then UAVs are not required.

[persei]

I don’t know, guys, maybe a duck ...

On March 15, on the website of Russian Technologies, information appeared that two days earlier in the sky above Perekop the MQ-5B reconnaissance-strike drone was intercepted. A week before, the Crimean media reported about the same type of drone shot down by self-defense fighters. To date, the American identity of the UAV has finally become clear. Judging by the airborne markings, he was part of the 66th American military intelligence brigade with a main location in Bavaria.
According to some reports, in particular, of the anaga.ru portal, in early March 2014 the aforementioned reconnaissance brigade was transferred to Ukrainian Kirovograd. It is from here that the aircraft make reconnaissance raids in the direction of the Crimea and the Russian border regions.
The captured MQ-5B was at an altitude of about 4000 meters from the setting sun and was not visible from the ground. According to the “Military observer”, he was intercepted with the help of the Russian complex of electronic warfare (EW) 1L2 22 “Autobase” and went to the self-defense forces almost intact. The Russian radio-electronic system broke the connection of the UAV with its American operators, after which the aircraft made an emergency landing.
Read on: http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/83772/

[Lopatov]

Quote: persei

According to the "Military observer", he was intercepted with the help of the Russian electronic warfare complex (EW) 1L2 22 "Motor depot

Cool. Only with the help of Avtobaza it is impossible to do this.

[fennekRUS]

Moreover, when the connection is broken, as far as I remember, the UAV unfolds and blows along the track back to the departure point, so that it will blur on the autopilot closer to the start point.

[siberalt]

Really broke? Although, everything is natural

[Lelek]

Quote: Owl27

Lamberto Zannier had the courage to refuse them, even though they behave honestly.

IMHO. No more than playing good-bad, although people with a sound mind have a place to be, but their mouths are shut and their hands are tied.

[Viktor Kudinov]

Whoever will not be sent, you can express condolences, because they will find themselves between two fires and risk their lives. It seems that with the latest use of the "U" point in Donetsk by the ukrovoy, it was perfectly shown that the OSCE mission in Ukraine is not respected, not considered. And, in my opinion, the presence of representatives of exclusively neutral countries, not NATO, is desirable in the OSCE mission in this country.

[Rimsler2014]

they did the right thing, otherwise it smelled strongly of provocation

[Denis fj]

Not certainly in that way. Germany itself did not decide to give the devices. First, Beck denied that the decision to send police and unmanned vehicles was made. Secondly, in Germany it is noted that Ukraine is not able to ensure the safety of devices. And thirdly, German vehicles are not suitable for winter weather conditions in the Donbass. Risk of icing.

[Alf]

Quote: denis fj

Not certainly in that way. Germany itself did not decide to give the devices. First, Beck denied that the decision to send police and unmanned vehicles was made. Secondly, in Germany it is noted that Ukraine is not able to ensure the safety of devices. And thirdly, German vehicles are not suitable for winter weather conditions in the Donbass. Risk of icing.

Is there something to supply? Here the article flashed about the fact that the actual combat effectiveness of the Bundeswehr is very low. The technical readiness of airplanes, helicopters and panzerov does not exceed 40%. Most likely, with drones the same garbage. At first they announced the delivery, then they considered the real possibilities, got into it and made a good face with a bad game.

[Cossack Lee Hoy]

What happened to this office of the (OSCE) - the left heel of the EU? "I don't recognize you in makeup ..." (c)

[Drunya]

However, the participation of military personnel is contrary to the mandate of our mission

knocked, knocked - our diplomats and politicians, and not really knocked
well done.

[Lopatov]

On the contrary. They do this so that there are no leaks.

The data of the OSCE observers who worked in South Ossetia in August 2008 is still classified information, there is only a general report in which they tried to blame both sides.

[31rus]

Are you sure of this? There was a message from the militias, an order to shoot down drones, if there were no notifications from the OSCE, the area and time of monitoring, you think it was so simply accepted.

[Siberian]

......... Let the goat into the garden ... in this case = goats = and that will remain from the garden. So everything is correct .............

[pvv113]

OSCE head says Russia would not accept Berlin and Paris

It’s a little incomprehensible - is this consciousness waking up or conscience?

[Alf]

Quote: pvv113

OSCE head says Russia would not accept Berlin and Paris
It’s a little incomprehensible - is this consciousness waking up or conscience?

Hardly. Most likely, the fifth point signaled an impending fifth point.

[ALABAY45]

"along with the equipment" will help "the paratroopers as well"
A question from a textbook on the methodology of using airborne troops in a local conflict: "How many UAVs need to be launched over the territory of a" third "world country, so that the Pskov Airborne Division could safely land in the eyes of the" world community "... ?!

[Neighbor]

Yes, I do not want smart people to get into a muddy business.

[Patriot.ru.]

But as the last of Hitler and Napoleon rush into battle! Maybe you should have given them such a chance.

[Stinger]

Are you afraid that they will steal without paratroopers?

[Major Yurik]

Who does not wake the German soldier help, he wakes up to love, as it is in Russian: sa .. sa .., Salo, herr policeman? Nine, bacon!

[UralMan]

OSCE:

We always welcome any offers of assistance from member countries of our organization. However, the participation of military personnel is contrary to the mandate of our mission in Ukraine.

AND FROM YOU AS FROM A GOAT OF MILK ...
Visibility alone

[crambol]

At the same time, the Bundeswehr said that together with drones, at least 200 German troops should be sent to Ukraine, who will have to control the operation of the UAV.

... as well as a tank corps for the protection of the above.

[Alf]

Quote: crambol

At the same time, the Bundeswehr said that together with drones, at least 200 German troops should be sent to Ukraine, who will have to control the operation of the UAV.

... as well as a tank corps for the protection of the above.

[lexx2038]

Yes, long ago planes with crosses did not fly over Russian land. Probably missed the planes with the stars.

[dimasialyt]

The OSCE is such a poor organization that it does not have its own drones and personnel ?! It's hard to believe!

[colonel manuch]

It’s good to hear that they, there, have not dried up their brains.

[gas113]

Germans will be teased "yayko, milk Merkel kaput"

[shasherin.pavel]

Merkel, milky, Merkel, egg, Merkel sanctioned kaput! Sabotage is not good! Sabotage is a little hang!

[Alf]

Quote: gas113

Germans will be teased "yayko, milk Merkel kaput"

[viruvalge412ee]

IN 1986, EVERYTHING, WHEN IN POLAND, MY ONE FROM FAMILIAR RESPONSES TO RESPECT, PASSED BY HIS POST OF NAZZMEN, SUGGESTED 3-5 MINUTES AND GIVEN THE BUT IN THE LOB- I HAVE IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY !!! TIME HAS MUCH Ever since. THEIR BRAINS WAS DIED

[Mol]

It looks like the Fritz want to return to Ukraine again, to remember the "exploits" of their grandfathers, to roam the Ukrainian land - "cock, eggs, milk, girl, come on, come on!"

[viruvalge412ee]

WHAT ARE FROGEN FROGERS. TRYED NOT TO GIVE UP, BUT HAVE GIVEN IMMEDIATELY AND WIN THE WHOLE WINES FOR WAR, AND AT THE SAME TIME, FORGIVEN INDUSTRY, LEARNING THIS ALL EUROPE BECAUSE OUR GRANDFULS WERE. IN FAVOR OF THIS POLICY, WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND (WE ALSO HAVE THE DESERVED PILOTS OF THE FRENCH FORCES OF NORMANDY) WITH THEM. A NATION THAT WAS WINNING AT LEAST 1 BOTTLE = WEAK TO BRAIN TESTIS! WAR IS GOING! Do we, the past that went to try to whine in front of PUPPIES.!?

[Demob 2012]

It turns out sane and in the West there, only a few of them.

[Mih]

OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier said that it is necessary to refuse not only German assistance, but also French proposals (foreign legion), since in all these cases the authorities of the mentioned countries report that they will also “help” the paratroopers with perfect shit along with the equipment , mostly known personally to the generals, behind them was the experience of gas destruction of mentally ill compatriots and even more so Slavs.

[Observer2014]

OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier said that one has to refuse not only Germany’s help, but also French proposals, since in all these cases the authorities of the mentioned countries report that they will also “help” the paratroopers with the equipment: FRIENDLY ON ............... AND ONCE AGAIN ON .............. N !!! I once lived in Germany and the Germans often complained that their country was, as it were, to put it mildly, well, in general, not authoritative, in matters of global politics. THERE ARE THREE CENTERS IN THE WORLD IT IS USA, RUSSIA AND CHINA, and everything else is the satellites of these centers. But if two of these cents create at least a friendly alliance, everyone else will have to sit and sniff in two holes.

[dchegrinec]

While Pod Obama’s Merkel will be in power, it is better to push Germany away from foreign policy until better times.

[Barakuda]

Putin to Merkel - "Is there a gas stove? Yes, well, throw it out"

[Dragon-y]

Quote: fennekRUS

Moreover, when the connection is broken, as far as I remember, the UAV unfolds and blows along the track back to the departure point, so that it will blur on the autopilot closer to the start point.

The trick is that it is guided by a GPS signal (most likely, "military range"). And if this signal is muffled, where will it fly? "Inertial" navigation systems do not seem to be installed on drones ... (although I could be wrong)