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IL will start work on an alternative to Ruslan and Anteyu

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In 2016, the design of an IL aircraft will begin, which will be able to lift more than 80 tons of cargo, conveys Lenta.ru report with reference to Sergey Sergeev, general director of OAO Il.

Antonov 225 "Mriya", the largest aircraft in the world, built in a single copy.

“In the 2016 year, we expect to start creating a family of super-heavy aircraft with a payload capacity of 80 and more tons. These are wide-body aircraft. There is already a project index: the prospective Yermak transport aircraft. It is assumed that the serial release of this project we will go to 2024 year "- said Sergeyev.

An informed publication source said that “a promising family of military transport planes, the base machine of which will have a payload of 80 tons and others more, will allow, in particular, to abandon the joint program with Ukraine to resume the mass production of the An-124 aircraft“ Ruslan "Load capacity 120-150 tons".

As part of the Air Force, new aircraft in the 2020-ies should replace the An-124 Ruslan and An-22 Antey that remained in the ranks. In addition, in the future, 80 toners will be replaced in serial production by heavy IL-76 transporters with 50-60 tonnes carrying capacity.

At this time, the RF Air Force operates 2 of the super heavy transport type: “Antey”, with a carrying capacity of 80 and Ruslan, capable of carrying up to 120, and in a modernized form - to 150.

Earlier media reported that in Russia the development of a promising airline transport complex began aviation (PAK TA). A number of experts believe that the IL-106 project, the work on which began in the 80s and were frozen after the collapse of the Soviet Union, could serve as the basis for the new transporter. It was assumed that the IL-106 will become a competitor to the American C-17 Globemaster, which today is the basis of the US military transport aircraft.
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  1. DRA-88
    DRA-88 20 October 2014 17: 28
    +29
    I can’t even believe it!
    Is the state really engaged in aviation!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 20 October 2014 17: 31
      +24
      Everything will work out, I'm sure ..!
      1. Dedjara
        Dedjara 20 October 2014 17: 36
        +11
        And "Mriya" didn't work out or what?
        They just gave hohlam to earn, so that they don’t sit idle.
        And on the topic - it's high time.
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        2. avt
          avt 20 October 2014 17: 45
          +16
          Quote: DedJara
          And "Mriya" didn't work out or what?

          This is a rather specific airplane, initially sharpened for a specific topic - cargo transportation for / and "Buran". It is healthy, however, and requires appropriate airfields. A very narrow conversion range turned out. And here a large-capacity SUV is needed - an analogue of the C-17. in quantities much larger than two "Mriya"
        3. Viktor Kudinov
          Viktor Kudinov 20 October 2014 17: 46
          +7
          We could continue to work and earn money if we had not been late. fool
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      2. Blondy
        Blondy 20 October 2014 19: 09
        +15
        And what happens?
        Mriya took off in 1988. Carrying capacity up to 250 tons. Built 2 copies. One is still in operation (by the Antonov company).
        Ruslan took off in 1982. Carrying capacity 120 - 150 tons. According to the Volga-Dnepr operator, there are cargoes that, apart from An-124, cannot be delivered by any other aircraft.
        "Yermak" will take off in 10 years (oh, what timeframe - France built the Mistral in two years), 42 years after the Ruslan. Carrying capacity "over 80 tons."
        A sad alternative is obtained, if you do not zombie yourself with PR - almost half a century down the drain in the development of heavy transport aviation. Well, and PR - almost according to the title of the song "You are huge - we are great."
        1. not main
          not main 20 October 2014 21: 57
          +3
          Quote: Blondy
          Ermak "will take off in 10 years (oh, what a time frame - France built the Mistral in two years)

          No need to compare concepts that have nothing in common! As for the rest: the customer determines the characteristics of the aircraft, and not the desire to "break records"!
        2. Koshak
          Koshak 21 October 2014 00: 53
          +1
          Quote: Blondy
          "Yermak" will take off in 10 years (oh, what a time frame - France built the Mistral in two years)

          Design and build according to the finished project are, as they say in Odessa, two big differences.
    2. vaaaaadik
      vaaaaadik 20 October 2014 17: 40
      +5
      let's hope that it comes to civil aviation
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 20 October 2014 17: 43
      +7
      This is no longer childish! Give IL-86! Why trifle?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 October 2014 18: 03
        +6
        Quote: siberalt
        This is no longer childish! Give IL-86

        And what to give him, he is a hundred years old at lunch!
        The year of the first flight of the aircraft - 1976

        IL-86 is the first domestic wide-body passenger aircraft. The liner was developed by Ilyushin design bureau in the 1970s for operation on busy airlines between the largest cities of the Soviet Union.

        Commercial operation of the IL-86 began in 1980, mass production continued from 1980 to 1993. During this period, 103 aircraft were produced, of which 3 were exported to China. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, liners were used in Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 20 October 2014 19: 39
          +4
          Ha! And how many of them flew? 2,3,5? And already, in the 1980s, there was no commerce at all, damn it! What are you talking about? After IL-18 - in general, a fairy tale! Not even mentioning the TU-154. These are not some green Boeings "moths" on which flying is as scary as driving "fucking" minibuses, with our set of pilots. Now drunk, now stoned, now from Africa, so that it is cheaper. laughing I did not have to fly as a passenger on IL-62, but Ilyushin’s 96th needed to be reprimanded! I apologize for the typo from 86th.
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            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 October 2014 20: 38
              +4
              Quote: siberalt
              There was no better widebody than IL - 96 in the USSR

              Of course it wasn’t.
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 20 October 2014 20: 36
            +1
            Chess words, don't care about cons, but where are the arguments? There was no better wide-body one than the IL-96 in the USSR (Antey is a truck), in Russia there is not even now. And no need to "shaggy grandmother."
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            2. siberalt
              siberalt 20 October 2014 20: 42
              +3
              Spit! We survived the devastation, we will survive the "abundance". Something like this. You just need to be Russian!
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 20 October 2014 17: 50
      +14
      Or maybe not in a hurry to reinvent the wheel? Judging by how things are going on in Ukraine, it may fall apart in the spring, and Antonov’s design bureau is a tidbit enough to pick up. Or another option - since Yaytsenyukh has no money and is not expected to pay for gas, shake off Antonov’s controlling interest from him on account of gas debts. And having a controlling stake, you might even think about which part of the production should be transferred to the Russian Federation and which should be left in place - the workforce in Ukraine is already cheaper than in Russia, and it will be even cheaper.
      1. vadson
        vadson 20 October 2014 18: 02
        +16
        the plant will be handed over to the ukrokengur for the winter if only Russia doesn’t get it, stupidly the dogs will come and make a raider seizure, and if ours buy it then it will be 100%
      2. UralMan
        UralMan 20 October 2014 18: 03
        +5
        Yes, you are right, but you yourself see how everything can turn quickly. When pipelines were pulled west and looked for many years? But what happened. Here of course. the entire production infrastructure seems to be there, what else is needed and it seems to be, and cheaper, like in all respects, where is better?
        Then I think they will think up there. As if they hadn’t thought up anything bad. It’s painful we are compassionate, then gas is cheap ... etc. Well, we love our brother Khokhlov, he seems to us to face the goat, bring him out into the field and tear off by holding a forelock .... Putin regrets.
      3. 31rus
        31rus 20 October 2014 19: 08
        +7
        No, no, and once again not only ours, and only in Russia, there will be enough mistakes, and Ukrainian specialists, of course, need to be interested and allowed to work
        1. Iline
          Iline 20 October 2014 19: 34
          +1
          Quote: 31rus
          and Ukrainian specialists, of course, need to be interested and allowed to work

          So who in Russia to engage in such developments is the Ilyushin Design Bureau. God himself commanded that they were always in the subject, only that Soviet reality a little pushed aside. Good luck, friends!
      4. Vasek
        Vasek 20 October 2014 19: 25
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        since Yaytsenyukh has no money and is not expected to pay for gas, shake off Antonov’s controlling interest from him on account of gas debts.

        What are you talking about? There, after every election, redistribution of property!
        Those. what was yours under one government is far from the fact that it will remain yours during the next.
        Turn on the TV - there are 150 rednecks in masks at present Zaporizhstal is "privatized"!
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      6. siberalt
        siberalt 20 October 2014 19: 56
        +1
        In principle, I agree. But how quickly it can happen. Another 3-4 years of war. Then the devastation, then the restoration of the Ukrainian economy (and who needs it?). And then production will become obsolete. Not for that Ukraine was "lowered", what would "Antei" do. To break is not to build. And time is running out. Something like this. hi
      7. APASUS
        APASUS 20 October 2014 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        Or maybe not in a hurry to reinvent the wheel? Judging by how things are going on in Ukraine, it may fall apart in the spring, and Antonov’s design bureau is a tidbit enough to pick up. Or another option - since Yaytsenyukh has no money and is not expected to pay for gas, shake off Antonov’s controlling interest from him on account of gas debts. And having a controlling stake, you might even think about which part of the production should be transferred to the Russian Federation and which should be left in place - the workforce in Ukraine is already cheaper than in Russia, and it will be even cheaper.

        With this power you can shake it, you won’t be able to keep it. Experience is already there, here are Lukoil gas stations, and the Kremenchug refinery, and a lot of what. Ukraine will certainly crumble, but will it make sense in this plant after the battles?
        An exit is possible even in the joint venture for development and financing, for example with China and India
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 20 October 2014 21: 02
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          with China and India

          But not with the Chinese. They will steal know-how and throw it. With turkeys, you can still somehow, but also very carefully. With the T-50, they make some incomprehensible gestures, and then they do not care, and this is not so for them. However, it is understandable that they want to spend less, and grab the pieces for development more tasty. And the fact that they have no personnel, no experience to make "tasty pieces" - they themselves do not understand, and to tell them as it is - they are offended.
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 October 2014 18: 06
      0
      If there is a need to have such heavy aircraft, then our army will definitely have them, such are the times, which, of course, is good.
  2. nvn_co
    nvn_co 20 October 2014 17: 32
    +6
    Wow, you don’t even have a word ... Well, if so it is as they say, then finally! Well done! Moreover, Ilyushin’s school is a fixture and will hide with the task! The main thing is not to be left with words ...
  3. Loner_53
    Loner_53 20 October 2014 17: 32
    +3
    So we get up little by little wink good
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 20 October 2014 19: 15
      +4
      It was assumed that the IL-106 will become a competitor to the American C-17 Globemaster
      Beast, this 106th! It’s a pity that things didn’t go beyond the project ...
  4. captain
    captain 20 October 2014 17: 38
    +4
    Just not to have a chat.
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 20 October 2014 17: 50
      +5
      Not what BREAKTHROUGH.
      Where ours did not disappear.
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 20 October 2014 20: 57
        +1
        Ours "disappeared" everywhere !!! drinks
  5. Basarev
    Basarev 20 October 2014 17: 38
    +2
    But still, it’s not very good that they plan to use the project of the eighties, which is essentially outdated. It is as if the shipbuilders passed off as promising bearer Ulyanovsk. Still, I would like to have completely new projects.
  6. avt
    avt 20 October 2014 17: 38
    +17
    Well, just yesterday the article was that Ilyushin's design bureau can't "give so much something to do! We must tell" Sukhoi ", namely the SCAC, that's where the" young, promising "members of the team did what Supjet did, let them do it. under the supervision of an effective manager, son ... oh what a man! So what is it that the experience will be negative? The main thing is it is priceless! laughing Resolved! Submitting the topic to the SCAC, and let "Ilyushin" bring Supjet! wassat But if it is serious - Ilyushin "has a store, the archive should have a study of this topic - they once fought with Antonov for an order, which is actually stated in the article. "An" won and the 124th appeared. Well, to gather the necessary and willing to work with "Antonov", there is one hell of a kirdyk - the bus workers will not tolerate them for nothing and will strangle the design bureau, so let, in empty, huge rooms where you can hear the ringing hours of the General Designer "and work in their specialty. Well, we wish the Rogozin-Livanov clan not to repeat the path of Poghosyan - not to choke everyone and everything in the bud.
    1. machine
      machine 20 October 2014 18: 12
      +3
      Pretty boy! I also read an article about the chime of the clock - the article was written, "article support account" was done. I'm thinking - why is this all? Then they would have written at once, close everything, and leave only the oil industry, because the rest is ineffective. All people have lost their minds ... We are clearly going in the right direction - that's why there is so much stench.
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 20 October 2014 17: 40
    +2
    They took a heavy burden, God forbid, to convey to the series!
  8. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 October 2014 17: 41
    +1
    It is high time...

    Although I want to believe that just some who borrowed the documentation from Antonov and put it to Ilyushin.
  9. Everest2014
    Everest2014 20 October 2014 17: 43
    +4
    The Russian Federation transferred mutual settlements to the ruble with China and the DPRK - this is the first quiet bell about the convertibility of the ruble. Our sworn friends living on the other side of the salt puddle will not like this. This can not but rejoice, but we’ll get into trouble, for some reason I’m sure. Why such huge planes?
  10. hyperion121
    hyperion121 20 October 2014 17: 44
    0
    It’s time to start restoring the airships in a modern way, now they can lift a lot more cargo! http://old.popmech.ru/blogs/post/5045-vozvraschenie-dirizhabley/
    True, this is probably not very suitable for the military, more civilian.
    1. Dreamwriter
      Dreamwriter 20 October 2014 19: 09
      0
      It depends. For example, for delivering a large cargo of not the greatest urgency (because the speed of the airships is not the highest) to the region already held by the military, it is quite suitable. For example, at first there is a naval landing operation, troops are secured in the coastal region, and then the airship delivers the main backbone of land equipment.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 20 October 2014 20: 19
        0
        In addition to transport tasks, the airship can become a border guard in the mountains, an anti-submarine, and a patrol ship.
        1. Dreamwriter
          Dreamwriter 21 October 2014 00: 58
          0
          And from the airship you can make an excellent command center, a large mobile hospital or reconnaissance apparatus. In general, the prospects are quite extensive.
          1. Shadowcat
            Shadowcat 21 October 2014 08: 13
            0
            And a good target ...

            Given that the gas concentration is high, plus it is quite combustible .... Fireworks will be notable.
            1. Dreamwriter
              Dreamwriter 21 October 2014 22: 33
              0
              Quote: ShadowCat
              Given that the gas concentration is high, plus it is quite flammable

              You are confused with the ancient airships of the early twentieth century. I explain:
              The first airships were filled with hydrogen. Hydrogen in contact with oxygen is extremely flammable - and therefore the slightest fire turned the airship into a hellish torch. Modern airships run helium, which is not combustible at all. In addition, in modern airships, the cylinders inside are split into many sections, so that in the event of a breakdown all the gas does not come out - as a result of falling of an aviation rocket into the balloon of the airship, it will not only not turn it into a firework, but also with a high probability will not even lead to its fall ( and if, nevertheless, a sufficient part of the balloon is destroyed for the fall, the airship will simply slowly plan on the ground, so that those on it will have every chance of surviving). And in addition, hospitals and control centers are never kept on the front lines.
  11. Not served
    Not served 20 October 2014 17: 46
    +2
    In the summer, I was told by a person who at one time had a direct relationship with the design bureau, that not everything is good there, and it is about "young, energetic and effective managers". If the Assembly does not converge, then this already says a lot.
  12. UralMan
    UralMan 20 October 2014 17: 48
    0
    Waited for Hurray!
    I think we can do without Ukrainians.
    It's a pity, of course, to lose such a design bureau.
    "There is a silver lining," but here it turns out just the opposite.
  13. Listen grandfather
    Listen grandfather 20 October 2014 17: 49
    +4
    Specialists of "Antonov" to Russia!
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 20 October 2014 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: ListenDeda
      Specialists of "Antonov" to Russia!

      Create in Russia a daughter of the Antonov State Aircraft Building Concern.
      Build An-70 up to 50 tons, An-124 150 tons (if I am not mistaken), because most of the parts are produced in Russia, plus the An-124 assembly was established in Ulyanovsk. The Ilyushin concern would build the Il-112 light transport aircraft, the Il-214 20 tons, the Il-86 (for example) 80 tons.
      To create an airplane from scratch about 15 years old, an analogue of which already really exists and is mostly produced in Russia (An-124), is considered stupid.
      It may be enough for some gentlemen to puff out their cheeks and it’s time to do something clever.
  14. rennim
    rennim 20 October 2014 17: 50
    +11
    Guys ... and 10 years before the series is not long, is it? Learn from our fathers. They launched a plane into the series on Kuhlmann faster. IL-76 was launched after 7 years. And AN-22 in 5 years. And we are in the 21st century.
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 20 October 2014 18: 07
      +5
      Well, you also compared, the fathers had a team (subcontractors) everything worked as a single organism, and in the end they knew what the country required of them, namely product which, after all the procedures, immediately launched into a series, and now there is a different ideology "the more time, the more dough you can cut", there is no romanticism laughing
    2. Performance
      Performance 20 October 2014 18: 08
      +2
      You can run it ... if you decide organizational issues as before. But there will be finances only next year, then tenders for delivery - another year, plus budgetary funds, therefore, writing the paper in triple volume, mathematically, by this time the deadlines will be violated - the horde will run, there will be another black Tuesday, the bank will fall, recommended by respected people who oversee the allocation of budgetary funds, which well .. here everyone is in the know, which and what is their interest ...

      Something like this!
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 October 2014 17: 52
    0
    More planes, good and different. And mostly heavy. The army needs dynamics.
  16. oreh72
    oreh72 20 October 2014 17: 52
    0
    Good news! If only brought to its logical end, otherwise it will turn out as IL-114.
  17. fazayek
    fazayek 20 October 2014 17: 54
    0
    It would be better if the Ukrainians bought the second "Mriya"
  18. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 20 October 2014 17: 54
    +1
    A good and necessary business! For a long time already we have not produced new "serious" cars, produced entirely here in Russia. I would like to believe that in the near future we will see a prototype of a new car that is so necessary for us. And without the participation of our "partners and foes". We can handle it ourselves!
  19. zinander
    zinander 20 October 2014 17: 55
    +1
    There would be no happiness, but misfortune would help. Very good news, did it really come to the fact that aviation should be raised?
  20. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 20 October 2014 17: 58
    0
    Quote: DedJara
    And "Mriya" didn't work out or what?
    They just gave hohlam to earn, so that they don’t sit idle.
    And on the topic - it's high time.

    An-225, by the way, only 1 copy belongs to the Aviant plant in Kiev, from the second only skeleton in the plant, Ukrainians could earn a lot of money on Zaporizhzhya engines for the An-225 and push the An-70 (also 1 copy so far) to the Russian market politics turned out to be more important than business
  21. Alexander
    Alexander 20 October 2014 17: 59
    +1
    Great news, so they will finally engage in the wonderful engine NK-93.
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 20 October 2014 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: alexandr
      Great news, so they will finally engage in the wonderful engine NK-93.

      Forget it, no one will deal with it all the more in our current state and in today's economic problems, and the engine itself is extremely raw!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 October 2014 18: 28
      0
      Now Kuznetsov SNTK are engaged in other projects based on NK 93, such as NK 65, NK 256 and an engine based on NK 32 for a new bomber.
  22. Silumin
    Silumin 20 October 2014 17: 59
    +1
    It is high time. It was necessary to send this AN to distant distances, to lure specialists and release their own.
  23. igorche
    igorche 20 October 2014 18: 09
    +1
    Quote: Silumin
    It is high time. It was necessary to send this AN to distant distances, to lure specialists and release their own.

    Well, how can I send this to AN ?! Have your political games replaced memory? But what about pride in our native Soviet ANs? Well, it’s all the same as mine ... even though it was in the hands of irresponsible fools. That would really buy Antonov ... But, unfortunately, most likely, he already belongs (or will soon be) to Airbus or someone else in the west and will soon die, strangled by them
  24. killganoff
    killganoff 20 October 2014 18: 10
    +8
    Back in 2012, negotiations were underway to complete the second building of the An-225 Mriya (serial number 01-02) for the RF Ministry of Defense ...
    "Mriya" is really a gorgeous car, the Buran-Mriya sparka looked especially impressive.
    I really hope that our industry will be able to master a project so ambitious for our country ...
  25. DMB3000
    DMB3000 20 October 2014 18: 18
    +1
    it is interesting!
    Russia and the DPRK began to carry out ruble settlements, the press service of the Ministry for the Development of the Russian Far East reports. Agreements on this were reached at the 6th meeting of the intergovernmental commission on trade, economic, scientific and technical cooperation in June 2014.
    1. DMB3000
      DMB3000 20 October 2014 22: 07
      0
      this is what lard minus?
  26. gunya
    gunya 20 October 2014 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: Nagan
    Or maybe not in a hurry to reinvent the wheel? Judging by how things are going on in Ukraine, it may fall apart in the spring, and Antonov’s design bureau is a tidbit enough to pick up. Or another option - since Yaytsenyukh has no money and is not expected to pay for gas, shake off Antonov’s controlling interest from him on account of gas debts. And having a controlling stake, you might even think about which part of the production should be transferred to the Russian Federation and which should be left in place - the workforce in Ukraine is already cheaper than in Russia, and it will be even cheaper.

    It’s easier to return Antonov’s design bureau to Siberia from where it was moved to Kiev, or to another place.
    And the experience of building heavy transporters with ILyushintsev is quite sufficient.
    Just AN and IL are different schools.
  27. awersa
    awersa 20 October 2014 18: 37
    +2
    Quote: gunya
    Just AN and IL - different schools

    Yes, in general, and according to the class of the car, different ones should work out - silt from 80 tons, and Ruslan 120-150 ... even there is a discrepancy with a replacement then .. request
    1. xtur
      xtur 20 October 2014 23: 20
      +1
      > Yes, in general, and the class of the car should be different - silt from 80 tons, and Ruslan 120-150 ... even a discrepancy with the replacement ..

      I read some article on this topic, alas, I don’t remember the author, there it was that I needed a class of aircraft for exactly 80 tons of payload, and always wide-body ones - as modern army equipment became wider and no longer fit on the planes that transported it before

      Ie, most likely, this is not a replacement for "Ruslan", it is most likely closing the existing holes in the required lineup.

      Or in the article we are talking about the design of several different aircraft at once, united in a family
  28. Serbor
    Serbor 20 October 2014 18: 43
    +3
    Until there is a tough state. control - there will be no sense. Here we recalled the "fathers-commanders" and the speed of launching mass production. And how it was in "real life" my grandmother told me. The evacuation train with equipment and personnel stops somewhere beyond the Urals. Around the forest and one high-voltage line. All are unloaded. A man in a leather jacket approaches the director of the plant and briefly explains that in 3 months there should be a plant in this place and he should produce the first production. If he gives - to the director the Order of the Red Banner. If not, shoot for sabotage. And the plant gave production !, without a roof, in the rain and snow, with an 18-hour working day, when workers after a shift dug for themselves dugouts so that there was a place to sleep, but gave! God forbid to go through 42-43 again, but pride for this time and these people overwhelms. Will we always need great upheavals for great things?
    1. polkownik1
      polkownik1 20 October 2014 19: 49
      0
      No ! Not a shock. Only Nagant behind the belt of the NKVDshnika!
      1. demon1978
        demon1978 21 October 2014 00: 55
        0
        Quote: polkownik1
        No ! Not a shock. Only Nagant behind the belt of the NKVDshnika!


        Do you think that in the above situation, the Nagant played the MAIN role ??? !!! (although SOME role he certainly played, but far from the MAIN !!! hi )
  29. NEXUS
    NEXUS 20 October 2014 18: 50
    +2
    Quote: DRA-88
    I can’t even believe it!
    Is the state really engaged in aviation!

    Russia and Ukraine are scattering ... and now, apparently, finally ...
  30. Vadim237
    Vadim237 20 October 2014 19: 01
    +3
    It would be better if we bought the documentation for AN 225 and started producing it with new engines, avionics and materials.
  31. brdnxela
    brdnxela 20 October 2014 19: 14
    +2
    Learning to fly !!!
  32. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 October 2014 19: 33
    +10
    WELL WITH GOD! As they say...
  33. polkownik1
    polkownik1 20 October 2014 19: 48
    +8
    About the timing of the aircraft. A little background on how people worked in incredibly tough conditions. The German Heinkel He-162A-1 Volkseger jet fighter-interceptor was created in 69 days. Development order was placed on September 29, 1944; the prototype took off on December 6, 1944. The Germans managed to build 116 pieces. I am not going to compare Heinkel and Il, but let's remember something. The Germans built jet fighters for the FIRST TIME in aviation history. Literally everything is new! Riddles at every turn and no computers. And - 69 days ... We, having in the Ilyushin stores a lot of developments and ready-made solutions, having thousands of computers, programs, super equipment - we require 10 years. In my opinion, it is time to introduce, in addition to the term "sawing," the forgotten term "milking the state". And shameless. You guys don't have a good, professional Minister of the Aviation Industry!
  34. Manul
    Manul 20 October 2014 20: 35
    -1
    What, transfer Shoigu to aviation? ;-)
  35. askof
    20 October 2014 20: 47
    +1
    Mriya took off at 1988. Load capacity up to 250 tons. Built 2 copies.


    Built only one aircraft. The second was never completed.
  36. TOR2
    TOR2 20 October 2014 21: 04
    +2
    I am against any association in aircraft construction with a ruin. People need to be taken from that madhouse, and there will be people who will also be new planes, albeit at first from old developments.
  37. mervino2007
    mervino2007 20 October 2014 21: 09
    +1
    [quote = saturn.mmm] [quote = ListenDeda] Antonov specialists to Russia! [/ quote]
    To create an airplane from scratch about 15 years old, an analogue of which already really exists and is mostly produced in Russia (An-124), is considered stupid.
    quote]
    The groundwork for decisions in heavy transport projects must be used. And the designers, respectively. If they stayed.
    1. engineer31
      engineer31 20 October 2014 21: 45
      +1
      It is necessary to entice specialists from Antonov along with the documentation and make a copy with minor changes))
  38. Evilcat
    Evilcat 20 October 2014 21: 42
    +1
    Will development start in 2016? This means that the first working copy will be released in 2026. Well, I can only wish you good luck. Moreover, IL has no experience in making such "monsters". And the Ukrainians' brothers can only be regretted. What the hell was it?
  39. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 20 October 2014 21: 46
    +1
    We'll see ... Usually a talking room ends with excuses.
  40. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 20 October 2014 22: 04
    0
    The logologist and the thorny path from R&D, even to test flights. But when it is difficult and very necessary for us, as a rule everything worked out. I am sure it will turn out now.
    But are Ukrainian specialists needed? Not sure. Better do it yourself. The task is feasible.
  41. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 20 October 2014 22: 14
    0
    10 years to develop and launch a new aircraft in a series is a bit! The Germans, on the other hand, developed jet aircraft before the start of the war and for 69 days - this is only the final segment of many years of work!
    By the way, under Adolf there were also good process accelerators, in black uniform and with "Walters" in their hands!
  42. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 October 2014 22: 17
    +1
    Dear idea. Can't we give up gigantomania in any way? First you need specialists, techies to steer this business (undertaking) to put. Pogosyano-Manturovskaya gang can all just blabber, and they will find an excuse for their actions, as always. And the airplane is probably still needed, whatever one may say, with our open spaces. Timing, deadlines, that's what scares.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 20 October 2014 22: 25
      -1
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      Timing, timing, that's what scares.

      Duration? 10 years is a miserable time. It's the same not riveting barges.
  43. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 October 2014 07: 31
    0
    The Chinese copied the IL-76, slightly changing its shape and replacing the filling. What prevents us from doing the same with Ruslan is much cheaper than doing a new plane.