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Sukhoi created a model of a heavy impact drone

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The Military Industrial Commission said that Russia had created a model of a national drone drone. A model was created by the developers of the Sukhoi company. It is emphasized that the development of the Russian strike unmanned aerial vehicle will be unified with the PAK FA. In what way such unification will be carried out, is not reported yet.

Sukhoi created a model of a heavy impact drone


Information about creating a model of the Russian drone UAV publishes news agency TASS, citing a source in the MIC.

For reference: in 2011 aviation Sukhoi holding received an order for the development and construction of a heavy shock-type drone. The mass of such a machine, according to the representative of the military-industrial complex, does not exceed 20 tons.

The created model has not yet been lifted into the air. At this stage, tests are carried out on the movement of the model on the runway of the airfield. The plans to build a heavy impact drone states that the first stage of work should be completed in 2015 year, but the successful completion of this stage may well take place before the end of this year. In 2018, the creation of the Sukhoi drone UAV should be completed - this is the exact time specified in the program.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 19 October 2014 16: 17
    +60
    Judging by the surrounding world, it is already necessary to pass factory tests, and not to present the layout. yes
    1. vadson
      vadson 19 October 2014 16: 20
      +54
      Moscow was not built right away, well, at least they started to move
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 19 October 2014 16: 27
        +30
        If only the teaser was shown, it’s interesting.
        In my opinion, the Sukhoi company has all the technical and scientific capabilities to create a heavy UAV. I hope that work on the creation of a smaller UAV will begin in parallel in MiG.
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        2. Turkestan
          Turkestan 19 October 2014 21: 27
          +8
          Not only Sukhoi Firm, Yakovlev Firm also has the opportunity to create such UAVs and experience is available
          1. Peter Timofeev
            Peter Timofeev 19 October 2014 23: 53
            +9
            But was the Buran not controlled remotely? If yes, then the technology is at a higher level than that of other countries.
            1. Blondy
              Blondy 20 October 2014 04: 01
              +15
              But was the Buran not controlled remotely? If yes, then the technology is at a higher level than that of other countries.
              Yes, of course, everything happened. But, for the last launch, Gorbachev personally arrived and ordered everything to be scrapped and even destroyed the entire package of documentation. So that he hiccups better, a marked eccentric. What do you think, "our space" began to crumble for no reason at all?
              1. vtnsk
                vtnsk 20 October 2014 05: 03
                +4
                It seems that no one destroyed the "documentation". Everything is in stock. It's just that "Buran" was ahead of its time, and due to the lack of demand (and resource capacity) for such an apparatus at that time the program was curtailed, but not destroyed. Even the prototype was not cut into metal. Today the situation has changed dramatically, and there is every reason to revive the work on the creation of multiple exit systems in "near space" ... smile
                1. ty60
                  ty60 20 October 2014 20: 38
                  +1
                  Energy was engaged in Buran. Connect ready-made developments to Dry.
                  1. Zuborez
                    Zuborez 21 October 2014 10: 16
                    +1
                    Buran TMZ did. Energy booster.
              2. carbofo
                carbofo 20 October 2014 07: 39
                +5
                Quote: Blondy
                Wasn't the Buran controlled remotely?

                The Buran flew in fully automatic mode, but I do not know how much it was under aerobatic control, I think there was a pilot in the wings.
                He had a control system that is simple by modern standards and it completed the task 100%, if you do not consider a mistake not reaching a settlement point of several meters.
                I remember only one abnormal episode, when the autopilot reacted to a gust of wind at a speed that was only available to him, which almost brought people to a heart attack during telemetry control.
                1. tkhonov66
                  tkhonov66 21 October 2014 14: 06
                  +2
                  "...
                  I think that there was a pilot in the wings
                  ..."
                  .
                  But to think - DO NOT ...
                  Need to know!
                  .
                  That "Buran" made its only flight WITHOUT (!) PEOPLE ON BOARD.
                  Those. - in a purely automatic mode.
                  Or, popularly speaking - WITHOUT any CREW.
                  .
              3. viruvalge412ee
                viruvalge412ee 21 October 2014 19: 54
                0
                Blondy-Who are you !? You are lovely. In our country, simply to take and destroy technology is simply not possible for anyone and, precisely, because of our traditional gouging, which, in turn, has become a traditional reason for our former and future victories. Everything is created for the future! And the dates are directly shown-2018
            2. tkhonov66
              tkhonov66 21 October 2014 14: 02
              +5
              "...
              Wasn't the Buran controlled remotely?
              ..."
              .
              - Nooooo !!!
              .
              "Buran" - flew ABSOLUTELY (!) AUTONOMOUSLY - i.e. WITHOUT any ground control. That is, all the DECISIONS during the landing of the "Buran" were made by SA-MO-STO-I-TEL-NO ...
              .
              - He sat down with a favorable wind near the ground with a force of up to 20 (twenty) meters per second. At the same time, "Buran" INDEPENDENTLY determined that in the first run it "misses the lane". And he didn't sit down - but ON OWN INITIATIVE - left for the second run. "Earth" is waiting, but "Buran" - DOES NOT SIT! And the escort fighter reports that "Buran" is LEAVING the landing strip ... Then the "earth" even thought that the automatics "went crazy" - and they already wanted to issue a command to ELIMINATE "Buran". But the specialists in the control system, under their personal responsibility, "dissuaded" ... And the "Buran" INDEPENDENTLY went into the go-around, ITSELF took into account ALL CORRECTIONS "to the wind" - and after releasing the brake parachutes and final braking - it stopped with a deviation from the runway axis - in 1.5 meters and in distance - 3.5 meters. Like this!...
              - and all this - ABSOLUTELY INDEPENDENT (automatically)
              WITHOUT ANY EXTERNAL MANAGEMENT ...
              .
              Or as the "classics" used to say - "I didn't even notice the elephant" ...
              8-)
              .
              I am ashamed not to know the GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS of domestic science and technology.
              8- (
              Learn MATCH!
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 19 October 2014 22: 24
          +1
          Quote: Hairy Siberian
          I hope that in MiG in parallel work will begin on the creation of a smaller UAV.

          In the sense of intelligence ?? This is not the right company for such self-development. In cooperation with Sukhim, yes.
          1. volodyk50
            volodyk50 21 October 2014 09: 31
            +1
            In the sense of intelligence ?? Mig is not the right company for such an independent development. In cooperation with Sukhim, yes.

            I agree that all major work was taken over by Sukhoi, Ilyushin and Tupolev, who, within the framework of the UAC, are engaged in the development and production of new products in all segments, from fighters and attack aircraft to military transport aircraft, while passenger aircraft such as MS-21 and etc. MiG mainly produces Mig-29 for export and, of course, training Mig-AT, and they also say that work on the 1.44 project has resumed, which is good news.
        4. boni592807
          boni592807 20 October 2014 19: 03
          0
          Colleagues, why argue ?! yes God grant to all developers of knowledge and experience, understanding of the moment, and the corresponding ones, controlling that they would tightly control the money and no one got in the way. In the end, you can "share" with friends - fellow travelers and "partners." Also not a sin. How much has merged during the period of perestroika - democratization, it is time to compensate. The main thing is that any adversary could provide a worthy reception. soldier Everything else is from the evil one. hi
      2. VAF
        VAF 19 October 2014 16: 38
        +27
        Quote: vadson
        Moscow was not built right away, well, at least they started to move


        Come on .. not immediately .. everything is old .. how is the world wink If you can't or don't want to, so "push" with "authority" or "create conditions" for the "comrade" (competitor), so that he would become .. "softer" and .. here's a ready-made device wassat

        Quote: vadson
        Moscow was not built right away, well, at least they started to move


        The Mikoyanovtsy had been actively stirring since 2005 .. reached the show MYSELF .. really liked it .. and then ... and then read the above paragraph bully

        1. vadson
          vadson 19 October 2014 16: 47
          +4
          Did I say that they can’t? until thunder roars through the rooster .... out of Medvedev's sales of dibs for dviglo for a civil eroplan decided to single out - we can begin to understand that for the West he is just another Mubarak, Gaddafi, Hussein ....
          and by the way from the picture, as far as I know from the scripture from the Internet)))) it was just a mockup and not a demonstrator even, if not correct
          1. VAF
            VAF 19 October 2014 17: 07
            +8
            Quote: vadson
            Did I say that they can’t?


            Did I blame you for this? request wink He just hinted that we had been building all our lives (designed, developed, tested and presented to .. "high approval)) UAVs and reconnaissance and shock and even interceptors.
            And even more so in Russia the same "Sukhoi".
            About DAM it is not necessary .. select one, but do recourse It’s good in words and on paper, but in practice request
            Yes, this is a mock-up, I do not have a photo of flying prototypes-demonstrators "PD" and "D". request
            At that time, Sukhoi did not have any developments on the topic of UAVs ... only all sorts of versions of the Probe project designed to solve the problems of multispectral monitoring, air traffic control and relay communications. wink
            So that.... wink
            1. vadson
              vadson 19 October 2014 17: 18
              +4
              Quote: vaf

              So that.... wink

              will wait...
              and at the expense of a lady ... even if the air carriers took him for a shake more firmly, we can drag specialists from Antonov to us in the aircraft industry, look at and pile
              1. VAF
                VAF 19 October 2014 17: 24
                +8
                Quote: vadson
                even if the air carriers took it for kokushki


                Air carriers (that is, the "owners" of the companies) love it to madness! fellow
                For a long time we were not and did not see at our airports. What now and who flies wink

                1. roman_pilot
                  roman_pilot 19 October 2014 17: 54
                  +5
                  Old photo. The three nearest aircraft do not fly to Afl.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 19 October 2014 18: 00
                    +4
                    Quote: roman_pilot
                    Old photo. The three nearest aircraft do not fly to Afl.


                    I don’t argue, but I quickly did not find it necessary .. There is a Uteyr with Bobiks, but I wanted the State Company (to contrast the above).
                    But don't you want to hope to say that the Buses, which no longer fly, have been replaced by 3 "newest aircraft of Russian design and construction"? wink drinks
                    1. roman_pilot
                      roman_pilot 19 October 2014 22: 10
                      +1
                      Small airbags rotate, and superjets, by the way, too. The first cars have already been given to someone, in exchange new ones have come, modified - colleagues praise. I don’t remember how many of them are in the park, you can google it. I don’t know what will happen next, but I would have known, hadn’t said - the general forbade it.
                    2. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 19 October 2014 22: 32
                      0
                      Quote: vaf
                      Buses that do not fly anymore have been replaced with 3 "newest Russian-designed and built aircraft"? + Wink drinks

                      Boeing A119 is by far the most common model (from a more or less new fleet) in our passenger airlines yes
                      1. roman_pilot
                        roman_pilot 20 October 2014 12: 48
                        0
                        Is this a joke? What is the new plane?
                2. vadson
                  vadson 19 October 2014 18: 17
                  +5
                  I believe, but what happens when there are no spare parts for 20 summer Boeing? those who are smarter and look ahead will take ours, we need only goods, an example of Iranian sanctions is indicative. buying through intermediaries will not work for a long time, and it’s more expensive. in the absence of spare parts, they will begin to fall, God forbid, of course, and this can already cause serious resonance in society.
                3. gav6757
                  gav6757 20 October 2014 00: 10
                  +3
                  On what there is a fly, but on what to fight (if necessary), let our designers ponder. There have long been developments of radio-controlled fighters ... If the plane dies, then the pilot is alive and the next fighter can continue to beat the enemy!
                  That's what we need !!!
              2. vtnsk
                vtnsk 20 October 2014 05: 06
                0
                Quote: vadson
                we can drag experts from Antonov to us in the aviation industry, you look at and pile

                Why "pull" them? They themselves are already running ... smile
        2. Accent
          Accent 19 October 2014 17: 57
          +2
          Come on .. not immediately .. everything is old .. how is the world


          I agree, everything has been invented for a long time. If only the game was worth the candle.
        3. zennon
          zennon 19 October 2014 18: 11
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          .a then read the above written paragraph

          Hello Sergey. I would like to ask when Pogosyan will stop "supervising" the MiG? Is there any progress? Is Korotkov an independent figure?
          1. VAF
            VAF 19 October 2014 18: 37
            +10
            Quote: zennon
            .I would like to ask when Pogosyan will stop "supervising" MiG?


            No visible! soldier But your questions are Andrei ... you want to bring your grandfather to the zugunder bully
            SUCH is not yet expected .. sorry, sincerely SORRY soldier




            Quote: zennon
            Is Korotkov an independent figure?


            KOROTKOV MAN and MAN !!! +! soldier But .... read the first sentence 9 where about .. questions).
            1. petrovich08
              petrovich08 20 October 2014 12: 17
              0
              I looked at the photo - I remembered my youth ... only without a foot letting out.
      3. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 19 October 2014 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: vadson
        Moscow was not built right away, well, at least they started to move

        We started, and it pleases, especially, given the planned rise in the real sector of the economy. Interestingly, the UAV will be unified with the PAK FA. This is a serious step towards the development of unmanned strike fighters of extremely high maneuverability - that will be one of the requirements for next-generation vehicles. And now, with the simultaneous use of PAK FA and such UAVs, it will be possible to make it difficult for the enemy to set targets and choose the main one, with limited means of destruction - especially. And mass production will be cheaper and more reliable. It will be easier to provide repair facilities far from production.
        1. VAF
          VAF 19 October 2014 17: 15
          +11
          Quote: 1812 1945
          it pleases, especially, given the planned rise in the real sector of the economy.


          This is WHERE ?????? In what area ???? belay

          Quote: 1812 1945
          Interestingly, the UAV will be unified with the PAK FA.


          And "this" from where ???? belay

          Quote: 1812 1945
          And now, with the simultaneous use of PAK FA and such a UAV,


          This is WHERE are you already using both the T-50 and the UAV? Wrenmya and place in the studio wassat

          Quote: 1812 1945
          It will be easier to provide repair facilities far from production.


          Come on, let's talk about the technology of field repair of composites and stealth coating? wassat (after all, he himself wrote about unification) wink lol

          And how much is such a brainchild you know, or at least the T-50 ??? (and then serial production, etc. etc.). First, you need to at least SOME production to set up .. and here it’s already serial wassat

          Modestly I will take an interest. You copied this "urya-propaganda" hat "from? If you can .. a link .. although you can and do not need .. now there are a lot of slogans and so wassat
          1. Normal
            Normal 19 October 2014 17: 28
            +7
            Quote: vaf
            This is WHERE ?????? In what area ????

            This is in the area of ​​talk at the top about a recovery in the real economy laughing
            Quote: vaf
            Come on, let's talk about the technology of field repair of composites and stealth coating?

            Well, it's simple. Technician with a roller cutter, a riveting machine and a bucket with "VK" wink
            And the stealth cover ... Duc, it's "not visible" belay
            1. vadson
              vadson 19 October 2014 18: 24
              +2
              Quote: Normal

              And the stealth cover ... Duc, it's "not visible" belay

              see a rabbit?
              no
              but he is!
              )))))))
              1. Normal
                Normal 19 October 2014 19: 21
                +2
                Quote: vadson
                see a rabbit?


                I don’t see a gopher either. wink

                Quote: vadson
                but he is!


                I am convinced that he will not only eat, but will ... eat!
          2. 1812 1945
            1812 1945 19 October 2014 17: 46
            0
            Did you even read the article? All my comments on the text of the article. For what I bought, as they say. Putin spoke about the need to raise the REAL sector of the economy in order to replace imported products for the military-industrial complex, and to raise the machine tool industry. About field repair - absolutely wonderful! Comment in 1941 wrote? It's about TO stations .... And where about the heroic deeds of the PAK FA? - I have not a word about this ... Serial production, this is when the tests are completed and there is a decision on adoption. But this does not mean that in the number of buttons on the uniforms of the Russian army. Yes, it's expensive. But how expensive and how great the need for these UAVs (and PAK FA) is not for us to judge. MO, the government is more competent in this.
            1. VAF
              VAF 19 October 2014 18: 26
              +6
              Quote: 1812 1945
              Did you even read the article? All my comments on the text of the article. For what I bought, as they say


              Of course I read, but ... the author is not indicated there, but you are here ... such .. in all white. Therefore, all questions to you. Dear.
              "Stuck in" so to say. So be so kind as to answer .. Or you don’t know. That all your life in Russia, and in the bazaar, for DEMAND is not BYUT? wassat

              1. Well, if you said it yourself, then ... okay. Where do we already ... said. Lumin. Means. Lumin lol
              2. It is clear that you have nothing to do with aviation, because field repair, in other words, is understood to mean repair under the conditions of regimental TEC and in the presence (restoration) of DARMs.
              And what is a TO station? Maybe Aviaprom and the Automotive Industry have beguiled lol
              3. Your quote is -"And even now, with the simultaneous use of the PAK FA and such a UAV" Well, if you have it called ... no words lol then i pass wassat

              Everything did not fit .. to continue:
              1. VAF
                VAF 19 October 2014 18: 28
                +10
                Quote: vaf
                Everything did not fit .. to continue:


                4. Serial production and adoption ... that is to say .. things are completely different lol (once again testifies that in aviation you ... well, to put it mildly ... lol )
                In order not to engage in a long and tedious (and if for the patriotic rya, then useless and meaningless) educational program, you will be an example - the Su-35 fighter is already mass-produced and enters the army. Although at the moment, there are passive missile defense (which stage A or You don’t need to know), the tentative completion of which is planned for 2015.
                Su-34 was adopted 2 years after the start of serial production wink

                Quote: 1812 1945
                But how expensive and how great the need for these UAVs (and PAK FA) is not for us to judge.


                Everything is clear .. a pout-patriot .. sad .. and I sincerely believed that as a legal taxpayer I can ask about the price .. but it turns out not ..... we are a herd of sheep .. we were told we .. "grabbed" soldier

                Quote: 1812 1945
                MO, the government is more competent in this.


                Yes "live" the most "competent" of the RF Ministry of Defense Hero .. Tolya Taburetkin ... uryayaya-tovarizchi wassat lol fool
                1. Orik
                  Orik 19 October 2014 22: 53
                  0
                  Sergey, can you explain about the use of shock UAVs? We are not Amerokos who fly over sovereign countries and figachat who they want in the absence of air defense. Is there a concept of application or do they really need us by principle?
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          3. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER 19 October 2014 17: 52
            +4
            Hello hello! Dug up about growth
            Industrial production growth accelerated in September to 2,8%. The main contribution to the dynamics of the indicator was made by manufacturing. Experts attribute this to the ongoing process of import substitution, in particular in the agricultural sector, and the fall of the ruble.
            Industrial production in Russia grew in September 2014 compared to September 2013 by 2,8%, after zero growth in August. For 9 months of this year, the volume of industrial production in the Russian Federation grew by 1,5% compared to the same period of 2013, Rosstat reports. In July, the growth rate in annual terms was 1,5%, in June - 0,4%, in May - 2,8%, in April - 2,4%, in March - 1,4%, in February - 2,1, 0,2%, while in January a decrease of XNUMX% was recorded.
            link-http: //www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/94855/
            1. VAF
              VAF 19 October 2014 18: 31
              +5
              Quote: TSOOBER
              Hello hello! Dug up about growth


              Hi Igor! This is from a "series" of a "wonderful" minimum wage, a "wonderful" living wage and a "chic" grocery set of food "rations" for a month.
              She’s statistics ... such .. that they’ll say, they’ll write wassat
              1. TSOOBER
                TSOOBER 19 October 2014 20: 42
                +3
                I agree - there is a lie, a blatant lie and statistics laughing !
            2. Normal
              Normal 19 October 2014 19: 36
              +7
              Quote: TSOOBER
              Experts attribute this to the ongoing process of import substitution, in particular in the agricultural sector, and the fall of the ruble.


              And what exactly did import substitute in such a short time? In the agricultural sector, as you know, the crop is ONCE a year. Well, for some products 2-4, but still something is not really fast. This does not happen.
              But the fall of the ruble is - yes! By what percentage did the ruble collapse in 9 months? Here you can "raise" on paper not 2,8% growth, but more. Only such "growth" is due to the relatively honest taking of money from the population (depreciation of savings) and a decrease in its purchasing power. We don't need SUCH growth.
          4. saag
            saag 19 October 2014 18: 36
            +6
            Quote: vaf
            Come on, let's talk about the technology of field repair of composites and stealth coating?

            3D printer begs
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 19 October 2014 21: 42
              0
              This is nanotechnology, the glider will repair its damage itself.
              1. andj61
                andj61 19 October 2014 21: 57
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                This is nanotechnology, the glider will repair its damage itself.

                Right in flight, and BEFORE getting damaged. And nanotechnology, as I understand it, is a Chubaisik reduced by 1 times, or thousands of such Chubaysiks, so quickly carries out repairs. wassat
              2. roman_pilot
                roman_pilot 19 October 2014 22: 14
                +2
                Using Little R2D2
          5. yehat
            yehat 20 October 2014 11: 00
            0
            Quote: vaf

            This is WHERE are you already using both the T-50 and the UAV? Time and place in the studio wassat


            T50 and bomb on weapons testing. repeatedly.
            and, I note, all UAVs of this type perfectly coped with their task
        2. yehat
          yehat 20 October 2014 10: 58
          0
          heavy UAVs are fine, but the main idea of ​​a UAV is that it is not a pity to lose it, and therefore, size matters and the main developments should be in more modest geometric limits
      4. jaguar
        jaguar 19 October 2014 17: 18
        +2
        So it was still moving the day before yesterday ..... and now they are cheering again, comrades need to catch up ahead !!! Personal responsibility needs to be introduced for bureaucrats am am am
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 19 October 2014 16: 23
      +2
      LA quickly go through the stages of design and testing, incl. in a couple of years is likely to fly. There, we seem to have the whole problem in ammunition, there is nothing small and lethal, the available one is designed for serious devices, and from here there are heavy strike UAVs.
      1. Venguard
        Venguard 19 October 2014 16: 31
        +7
        why small and lethal? it weighs 20 tons, anything can be hung on it, drying 27th weighs 16 tons empty
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 October 2014 17: 12
        0
        Quote: chunga-changa
        LA quickly go through the stages of design and testing, incl. in a couple of years is likely to fly.

        Tell us about PAK Fa. wink
        1. VAF
          VAF 19 October 2014 17: 21
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Tell us about PAK Fa.


          Up there already 1812 1945 talks about the "one-time belay application belay now belay and T-50 and UAV, belay "and you are only asking about PAK-FA wassat +! drinks
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 19 October 2014 19: 55
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            There, at the top, already 1812 1945 talks about "the simultaneous use now of both the T-50 and the UAV," and all of you are only asking about the PAK-FA

            Sergei, I mean "the design and testing stages go through quickly." hi drinks
      3. VAF
        VAF 19 October 2014 17: 18
        +4
        Quote: chunga-changa
        LA quickly go through the stages of design and testing, incl. in a couple of years is likely to fly.


        Oh well ... nafig! You confuse the "path" when, instead of the pilot, the equipment is "put on the plane" .. then la. Possibly .. "a couple of years" wink
    3. Aleks28
      Aleks28 19 October 2014 16: 31
      +1
      Hurry up, you make people laugh .. How did it happen with the F-35. Yes, and on drone drums the same stalled.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 19 October 2014 16: 33
      0
      The main thing is that there is already a backlog, as they say, would be bones, and the meat will grow. More time will come, and we will rejoice at our success in this aviation industry.
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    6. DRA-88
      DRA-88 19 October 2014 16: 37
      +2
      The layout needs to be quickly implemented !!!
      It was thought, but Sukhoi never made heavy bombers! This is the Tupolev chip ...
      1. VAF
        VAF 19 October 2014 16: 43
        +5
        Quote: DRA-88
        This is the Tupolev chip ...


        Hello Vladlen! + drinks And Yakovlevskaya is the same, but .... wrote a comment above .. everything is clear and simple .. "the chest opens" wink

        And "Sukhoi" never made passengers, but .... "did" lol (after all, I want bread and butter instead of tea sausages, such a decent layer of black caviar and in a lounger, not on the banks of a mess puddle, but at least on the Cote d'Azur, and on our own beach, near the villa) wassat
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 19 October 2014 17: 01
          +13
          Greetings, Sergey! You want to say that again, the cunning Poghosyan all of us ... Although he recently headed the military-industrial complex himself ... he had to personally meet with Rogozin, and maybe he could shake his hand repeat
          It was like that with us too ... Solomonov kept raking under him even a sea rocket ,,, Now it seems to everyone
          there are enough orders, even difficulties with the Ukrainian segment were secretly hinted at by people dedicated to the TIME, as you like and understand ... Maybe Pogosyan will be tamed as in his time Ashurbeyli ...
          1. VAF
            VAF 19 October 2014 17: 52
            +11
            Quote: Ascetic
            Greetings, Sergey! You want to say that again the cunning Poghosyan of all nae ..


            Hi, Stanislav! +! drinks

            Well, you ask questions. wink so to speak ... "with passion" angry wink



            Quote: Ascetic
            .Although recently the military-industrial complex itself headed


            Fable "Quartet" by Krylov soldier

            Quote: Ascetic
            .. With Rogozin I personally had to intersect, maybe I myself will be able to shake hands


            Damn, Stanislav, and I STANDING can’t write, and all the more so all the time I have to keep my hand in greeting to my head (but it’s not empty, that means you can .. apply) soldier

            In the distant beginning of the 80s, PS Kutakhov once again arrived in one "hot country" and I was honored with his hugs and handshake for ... well, in general, "for the cause" soldier..so I didn’t wash my hand for a week and the Chief Advisor allocated a personal lawn (to me) (I took it a week later lol ) about how ... but here it can be SAM ??? wink
            Damn, Stanislav .. I’ll start to call you only by the Name of the Patronymic. And then the right .. it’s not convenient somehow drinks

            Quote: Ascetic
            Maybe Poghosyan will be tamed as in his time Ashurbeyli.


            Oh, Vyacheslav, your (and mine, by the way) thoughts and desires, yes ... I would be in the ears! recourse
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 19 October 2014 18: 42
              +8
              Quote: vaf
              Damn, Stanislav, and I STANDING can’t write, and all the more so all the time I have to keep my hand in greeting to my head (but it’s not empty, that means you can .. apply)


              Yes, okay. Skrgey ... we are sinful saboteurs (according to Dm.Ol-cha) so, workhorses ... but you can't imagine the level of "celestials" from state corporations ... the official Forbes list is resting ... We only with a handshake and we can be honored if a celestial dweller descends to the masses ... yes, to buy a bonus for the New Year's table for grandchildren of tangerines, but now, because of the Ukrainian idiots with torches, I personally will not have a prize ... only a possible handshake MOST planned for December ...
        2. Normal
          Normal 19 October 2014 17: 09
          +6
          Quote: vaf
          And "Sukhoi" never made passengers, but .... "did"

          Hello to the veteran!
          Sergey, and in our country at all in the aircraft industry did anyone remain soaked and dying, except for dry Poghosyan?
          He will soon pick up helicopters for himself. Or am I exaggerating?
          1. VAF
            VAF 19 October 2014 17: 56
            +4
            Quote: Normal
            Hello to the veteran!


            Hello Volodya! drinks
            There are a lot of real pros, but .... as they say in one work, "the mafia is .. immortal because it cannot be defeated" wassat
            Not .. here he is not omnipotent, there are his own .. "peppers" bully
        3. VAF
          VAF 19 October 2014 17: 41
          +5
          Quote: vaf
          And "Sukhoi" never made passengers, but .... "did"


          Minus, as I understand it, is from the fans of "our EVERYTHING, that is." Poghosyano-Boeingovsky wink "super-bobby"? wassat
        4. DRA-88
          DRA-88 19 October 2014 23: 35
          +5
          Good evening, Sergey! hi
          I read, now everything is clear! Unfortunately, along with the last account, a link to a wonderful Air site (Zenon was dumped to me) passed away .. crying
          For people related to aviation since childhood, I have admiringly quivering feelings. Dream however ...
          But I talked with the pilots because you can’t climb into heaven without them! laughing
          a bit of humor on the subject: I represent domestic development, competitors smoke: The winged planning bomb! At the crash site, tears everyone to pieces laughing
          1. maximus
            maximus 20 October 2014 01: 56
            +2
            Quote: DRA-88


            Well, this is certainly not a drone) laughing
            Well, an aircraft could well be like that)
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 20 October 2014 01: 59
              +1
              Quote: maximus
              maximus

              By the way, OUR BOMBER is also, although part of the idea is Swedish laughing
            2. tkhonov66
              tkhonov66 21 October 2014 14: 20
              0
              Carlson's last flight
              ...
              - Hey, on the windowsill! - the fat man shouted, flying past the window a second time and again waving his hand. - Come on landing!
              “Yes, yes, of course, I'm landing,” the Kid shouted loudly. - Side wind, five meters per second, pressure seven hundred thirty-three, the point of entry into the glide path ... The kid figured it out - and it turned out that the building opposite the house would not allow him to enter the landing correctly. The kid leaned out of the window and shouted:
              - Hey! And how will you land: in an airplane or in a helicopter?
              - I will sit down in Carlson! - the fat man shouted in response, flying into the window.
              ...
              ...
              ...
              “Can you look at your propeller?”
              “Of course,” Carlson turned.
              - Wow! I thought so, ”said the Kid, examining the propeller.
              - What, a good propeller? asked Carlson flattered.
              “So I thought it was not a propeller,” said the Kid. - The propeller could not work like that, because your back would shield the main flow of air, and all the energy would be spent on creating turbulence.
              - Hey, what are you doing? - Carlson pouted. - This is the best propeller in the world!
              - Do not be angry! Of course, this is a wonderful propeller! - the Kid said hastily. - Only this is not quite a propeller. He has a very interesting blade skew system. The thrust vector lies in the plane of rotation, and the point of application of force is shifted to the left. Thus, the lifting force is directed from the legs to the head, along the back, and not perpendicularly, as I thought at first. And the point of application of force is shifted to the left - because it acts on those blades that are currently moving down ...
              - Why are you cursing? - offended Carlson. - I, too, found a specialist.
              ...
              - further here:
              http://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/83/364933.html
              8-))
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 19 October 2014 16: 51
        +22
        Quote: DRA-88
        Dry never did heavy bombers!

        Did yes ... And how heavy it is. "Sotka", T -4 ...
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 October 2014 17: 01
          +1
          But for some reason, this bird did not go into the series (they talk differently) So, that he still didn’t.
        2. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 19 October 2014 19: 01
          +3
          Quote: retired
          And how heavy it is. "Sotka", T -4 ...

          About which all the legends came up with, that Tupolev screwed him up, but then he saw in the dock. In the film, a conversation between two old testers who discussed the question of why it was not possible to improve the landing characteristics at the Sotk? Only a top-class pilot could land it, the story is like with the Pe-2, which was good for everyone, but never sat down without a "goat".
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 19 October 2014 20: 25
            +5
            Quote: shasherin.pavel
            the story is like with the Pe-2, which was good for everyone, but never sat down without a "goat".

            A.S. Timofey Panteleevich, in your opinion, how true are the veterans' stories about the disgusting landing characteristics of the Pe-2 ("goat", etc.), which (characteristics), according to them, "... killed more crews than Fritz"?

            T.P. Fly must be able to! Do not know how to fly, do not blather!

            I want to tell you ... After the war, I was in Kazan at the grave of Petlyakov. And there were different inscriptions on the monument, and not the most pleasant ones as well. Swear, speaking straight. I declare: Petlyakov did not deserve this abuse! Pe 2 machine is gorgeous!

            When landing, a lot of pilots fell on the “fourth turn”, when the speed was minimal and if the “leg” was slightly “handed over” then - fute! Was already in the ground. It was, but ... when on a combat course, an anti-aircraft gun hits (and it hits according to certain mathematical laws), and I have to give something to this mathematical counterweight. I have to maneuver. So, when the anti-aircraft gun hits, you “punch” the “punch” and it abruptly slides away from the anti-aircraft fire, and then no one, for some reason, has fallen.
            The handling of the Pe-2 was excellent.
            T. Punev.

            Something like this ...
        3. DRA-88
          DRA-88 19 October 2014 23: 50
          +1
          Quote: retired
          I did. And how heavy it is. "Sotka", T -4 ...

          Hello, Yuri! hi
          Sorry !!!! drinks I saw him in Monino, only according to recollections I was postponed as Myasishchev M-18, by the way, you can confuse Tupolev’s developments
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 20 October 2014 00: 16
            +1
            Quote: DRA-88
            Hello, Yuri!

            Yura Vladlen, Yura. Have you agreed? Goodnight! hi Where did you go yesterday? with Here, some Ruslans and Students all strive to leave in English ... No need to take an example from them! I still have them am ...
            Quote: DRA-88
            can be confused with Tupolev developments

            No you can not. Too characteristic appearance. Plus the length, the wingspan is different ... It looks like yes, but not to be confused ...
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 20 October 2014 00: 41
              +1
              Yura, hello, again !!!! hi
              Imagine, I put, damn it, a "partisan" program together with a browser ....., took everything away for a fix !!! request "turned on" the computer like a diesel in the north laughing And here I am, glad to see you and let me a little bit with you drinks
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 20 October 2014 00: 59
                +1
                Quote: DRA-88
                "turned on" the computer like a diesel in the north

                Blowtorch or something ?? belay Although ... I don't remember how they start a diesel engine in the North. When there, after minus 30 or 40, the equipment on the track is not jammed at night. They are piled up and covered with a tarp. Once I spent one night under such a "tent" with a watchman. With vodka and muksun ... And we used to have our UAZ with the same blowtorch ... Now we have electric heaters. 220 and drove off. As a last resort, I always have a Honda with me, a gas generator. 2,2 KW ... 16 kg Even for minus 30 you can start! With difficulty, of course, after 30 minutes of ibli, but you can ...
              2. pensioner
                pensioner 20 October 2014 01: 01
                +1
                Quote: DRA-88
                let me a little bit with you

                By all means! I will have one more time. Well ... For Russian-made drones! drinks
            2. DRA-88
              DRA-88 20 October 2014 00: 57
              +1
              Quote: retired
              No you can not. Too characteristic appearance. Plus the length, the wingspan is different ... It looks like yes, but not to be confused ...

              Airplanes is a childhood dream, now here I am ashamed and shoved reference books repeat
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 20 October 2014 01: 08
                +1
                Quote: DRA-88
                Aircraft is a childhood dream

                Likewise. From early childhood he was obsessed with aviation and astronautics. I specially enrolled in the aviation club to make the plane of my dreams - the English Mosquito. And they did it with a friend! My father bought me an engine - Sokol. He even flew with us. Once ... crashed into the trash. And the Khan's engine ... It was a pity to tears ... Well ... For aviation! By the way. My favorite period in aviation is the late 20s - late forties. T.N. "Golden Age" of piston aviation: world records, races for the Hamilton Cup, Chkalov, Vodopyanov, Saint-Exepury ...
                1. DRA-88
                  DRA-88 20 October 2014 01: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: retired
                  My favorite period in aviation is the late 20s - late forties. T.N. "Golden Age" of piston aviation, world records, races for the Hamilton Cup, Chkalov, Vodopyanov, Saint-Exepury ...

                  Here you touched for the living !!! good
                  Quote: retired
                  From early childhood he was obsessed with aviation and astronautics. Specifically enrolled in an aviation club

                  Aw, here's a story from the cradle:
                  Cousin grandfather fought on the IL-2 since 1942!
                  At the end of 1943, he received a serious bullet wound, burns, lost his right eye! They wrote off outright, but he got permission in Moscow and from 1944 he again took the wheel in his hands, was shot down 2 times after which he was sent to serve in the "signalmen" as he said, he flew to the Victory in Po-2 ...
                  Despite the high post-war posts, he always remained a very modest person and a true Communist! Until his last days, he was engaged with schoolchildren in aircraft modeling and military-patriotic education of youth !!!
                  Eternal to him Glory and Memory !!!
                  To make nails from these people !!! soldier drinks
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 20 October 2014 01: 28
                    +2
                    Yes ... Iron people. In our family, three fought. My two cousins ​​and my maternal grandfather. One uncle died in the 45th in April, and his older brother, Uncle Vanya, died in 2008. at 90 years old. He fought with 41g. to the end. Stalingrad, Dnieper, Kiev environment ... Started with the Finns ... Glory and Memory to all ...
                    Quote: DRA-88
                    Here you touched for the living !!

                    Well, how not to hurt here ?? This period is really the best in aviation! It was at this time that most of the conceptual technical solutions in aviation were found, let alone romance! Then all this was gone ... Mass aviation, having gone through the innovation and engineering period, has long passed into the period of trivial technologies and managers. By the way. Were here in February / March in kmndrvke. ... Pgt Pelym, Sverdlovsk region We went on business to Ivdel. I went to the local library. And there is a promotion for free distribution of books. I dug there for about an hour, dug a lot of things, but the most valuable thing is that I found Vodopyanov's book "Notes of a Polar Pilot" there! My driver doesn't like to read books at all, but then he started and ... he didn't give it back to me !! He told his son to take it. There is still such a force in aviation. Educational! Well ... For the Golden Age of Aviation. drinks And why am I always toasting? what Out of order request
                    1. DRA-88
                      DRA-88 20 October 2014 01: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: retired
                      There is still such a force in aviation. Enlightening!

                      It seems to me all the guys are raving about the sky, it's a pity the time is not right ...
                      Quote: retired
                      And why am I always toasting? Out of order

                      Fix it! For a Dream and Romance !!! drinks
                      1. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 01: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        For a Dream and Romance !!!

                        Supported. yes
                2. DRA-88
                  DRA-88 20 October 2014 01: 31
                  +1
                  And yet, my grandfather helped me to get a good job in the army, my parents tried to get closer to home laughing and grandfather and I put it together and he says: since, he says, the pilot won’t come out of you, and the small one you are impudent and clever, all one with heaven I will acquaint you, and I went to a friendly southern country laughing with parachutes in buttonholes ...
                  And when I got demobilized, We already became homies! there was a man with an understanding of life! These are the things, Brother, things ... And on a plane, it’s horror like hunting to fly !!! FOR AIRCRAFT !!! drinks
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 20 October 2014 01: 39
                    0
                    Quote: DRA-88
                    And on a plane horror like hunting to fly !!!

                    I somehow flew in 91 ... Then I didn’t feel like for a long time ... Almost e ... on the An-24 ... But I understand what you want at the helm. There is a suggestion. And let's make a plane yes !!! Our Studentmati is a specialist in aerodynamics, I am a physicist, I can do some of the strength calculations if I strain recourse ... you know how to leave the plane fellow . And very fast repeat ... How?
                    1. DRA-88
                      DRA-88 20 October 2014 01: 49
                      0
                      Quote: retired
                      . How?

                      If I were six-armed, I would raise all six !!!! Kaaaneshshna ZAAAAA! good
                      1. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 01: 54
                        0
                        Well, that’s it. Getting started. I have had trouble for a long time. I will try to find and discuss in a narrow circle. There is Alex 241. He endorsed this topic. The truth has disappeared from the site ... But it will draw. I’ll torture Sasha tomorrow.
                        Well ... For the spar! drinks
                      2. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 01
                        +1
                        Strelkova immensely respect. But I read it: http: //politobzor.net/show-34293-strelkov-nastuplenie-nachnetsya-togda-
                        kogda-putin-pristupit-k-rotacii-svoey-odryahlevshey-i-liberalno-orientirovannoy-
                        team.html
                        -and somehow anxious at heart ... I will not express my thoughts in the ear .... Read. Then you tell me your opinion. Unless, of course, you consider it possible ...
                      3. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 07
                        0
                        Be sure to read !!!!
                        Quote: retired
                        http://politobzor.net/show-34293-strelkov-nastuplenie-nachnetsya-togda-
                        kogda-putin-pristupit-k-rotacii-svoey-odryahlevshey-i-liberalno-orientirovannoy-

                        team.html
                        (fixed for myself)
                        We have a guy from "vacation" back, he called the day before yesterday, the dawn of the gathering tete-a-tete .... I'll tell you surely !!!
                      4. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: retired
                        Well ... For the spar!

                        And the fuselage! drinks (Strong mother-in-law tear !!!!)
                      5. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        And the fuselage!

                        Let's not even count the ribs ...
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Strong mother-in-law tear !!!!

                        Well, I don’t know request what to advise what ... or breed a productsad , or increase the calorie content of snacks yes ... Drastic measures such as "Not stopdrink Vladlen! "I do not suggest ...
                      6. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 15
                        +1
                        Yur, count how a bourgeois crabs have a bite !!! good
                        Quote: retired
                        or increase the calorie content of snacks
                      7. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        as a bourgeois with a crayfish bite !!!

                        yes It’s familiar. Here’s what I ate in Ukhta a month ago:
                      8. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: retired
                        It’s familiar. Here’s what I ate in Ukhta a month ago:

                        Thing!!! The Russian Land is rich in diverse gifts and talents !!!
                        I'll sing!
                      9. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 02
                        +3
                        Here. Suddenly.
                      10. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 03: 15
                        +1
                        Lubo !! Brother! Lubo!
                        Well, I have Cossacks in my relatives !!!
                        Picnic has a whole album with such songs !!
                      11. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 30
                        +2
                        Well ... For aerodynamics! drinks
                      12. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: retired
                        Well ... For aerodynamics!

                        And for Friendship! drinks
                      13. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        And for Friendship!

                        Support. drinks
                        And crayfish what ... At the end of October ... Don? wink Or somewhere nearby? repeat
                      14. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: retired
                        At the end of October ... Don?

                        With us, it is just beginning! (Three attempts)
                        Guys from the Volga brought from near Akhtubinsk!
                        Imagine once I was driving there "drying" almost landed on the roof, IMPRESSED, my wife climbed under the dashboard laughing
                      15. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 42
                        +1
                        Stavropol region? wink
                      16. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 02: 44
                        +1
                        Aha laughing Central Federal District !!! second one!
                        with the third bubble from you !!!!! fellow
                      17. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 02: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        with the third bubble from you!

                        sad
                        what
                        Well, not Smolensk !! what
                        I give up ... I will send the address in PM. yes
                      18. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 03: 00
                        +1
                        Well guessed? or are you listening to music?
                        By the way, a hint: I’m going to the Picnic concert on the 28th, I can throw off the video report !!! yes
                        Come on! WELL!! just east ... Glorious city, Labor and Honored !!!
                      19. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        picnic concert 28

                        Tula !!!!!!!!!!!!
                        I have a friend there, Roma. In Morshansk, they climbed a month with him. How much vodka they let through is not passed !!
                      20. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 03: 12
                        +3
                        Well, for the motherland !!! drinks
                      21. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 21
                        +3
                        I read it. laughing
                        Somehow, too, lay out some of the aviation humor yes . I have a life-giving source repeat ...
                        For the motherland.
                      22. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 20 October 2014 03: 25
                        +6
                        Quote: retired
                        I have a life-giving source feel ...
                        For the motherland.

                        Drunks midnight wassat No matter how you go to the site, somewhere necessarily a booze request Hello drinks
                      23. nvv
                        nvv 20 October 2014 03: 30
                        +4
                        Such a tradition. Someone goes to the bathhouse on New Year's, and these ... lol
                      24. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: nvv
                        and these...

                        So ... I'll ask with THESE negative do not compare us! And then am Call a friend in general repeat ... Well, Ruslan knows yes , if needed smile .
                        Hi dear! hi
                      25. nvv
                        nvv 20 October 2014 03: 41
                        +3
                        Quote: retired
                        So ... I'll ask you not to compare us with THESE!

                        Yes, I am so, loving. fellowVictor hi
                      26. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 47
                        +5
                        Quote: nvv
                        Victor

                        what
                        Inspected the front and at the same time the rear hemisphere. yes I didn’t find Victor request ... But I will say hello yes .
                      27. nvv
                        nvv 20 October 2014 03: 50
                        +3
                        Victor, just for friends. Is it coming?
                      28. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 54
                        +3
                        Ugh you !! fool Blunted! Sorry Victor! hi Come on, do not let virtual drunkenness die out! I'm no longer an assistant today recourse ... But I will take part with pleasure yes !
                      29. nvv
                        nvv 20 October 2014 03: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: retired
                        Come on, do not let virtual drunkenness die out!

                        Uh, no, just got up, plans for the day a lot, so let me take my leave. hi
                      30. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Drunks midnight

                        Calm stop First of all, I had a low alcohol drink today (like yesterday) yes and secondly it just ended request . Job job yes !!! I’m still counting bully !! especially as insomnia recourse ...
                        Hi Ruslan! fellow
                      31. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 03: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Hello

                        Hello Ruslan !!!
                        You are welcome!!! drinks
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                      35. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 03: 45
                        +3
                        The first time, (lieutenant, of the first year of service) I intercede on duty on reception and release of aircraft.
                        Summer. Instructed to "tears". READY.

                        Duty surrenders Art. lt. (experienced).
                        Reception of the "economy", detour of the entire airfield, "guardhouse", chipboard, DSCh, inspection of the fence (theoretically), Dezh.Zveno, Emergency means, Fire, Dispatcher (plan for the day), command post ...
                        etc.
                        ... We rise to the KDP.
                        At the KDP, there is a "duty fighter" and the HEAD OF THE FIRE TEAM. (Art. lt.)
                        Surprised, but silent.
                        An experienced senior lt, a pilot, instructs: HOW TO GIVE THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE GOOD.
                        ...
                        After instukation, st lt, takes from the box, three white and three yellow rounds of rockets, (rockets)
                        A pistol rocket launcher, and slapped on the balcony KDP. I follow him.
                        He went out, loaded his gun, and started aiming at the old metfluger (standing from the balcony of the KDP, IN METERS 70-80, sideways)
                        First shot past.
                        Second, third or sixth; same way. But, the grass caught fire.
                        Absolutely balanced; firefighter team, gives a log of verification checks for signature, then goes to the balcony, waved his hand, and .... and, fire engine with the calculation, rushing to extinguish the grass.
                        Stew, Leave.
                        I am silent.
                        .
                        Further, an experienced one explains to me that they’ve been shooting at this weather vane for about 15 years, and there are only two marks on it.
                        The Regiment knows them.
                        CASE, GOING INTO HISTORY, NOT CASE --- Fire brigade training.
                        The main thing: neither red, nor green rockets; do not take.
                        .....

                        Long ago, I was a lieutenant. But in this regiment, and now "another name", until this time, they SHOOT ON THE VANE.
                      36. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 20 October 2014 03: 51
                        +3
                        Yur, you are a real writer! Respect to you! And I am with you, Comrades, to the road and sleep !!! drinks

                        Threat. We have snowed, and tomorrow I gathered with my family for mushrooms !!! laughing
                        Ie today! Bye everyone!
                      37. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 October 2014 04: 02
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Yur, you are a real writer!

                        Yes, it’s not mine ... Good night! Or in the morning laughing
        4. tkhonov66
          tkhonov66 21 October 2014 15: 11
          0
          Yeah ... weaving - it was something ...
          8-)
          .
          But Tupolev ate her ...
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 October 2014 20: 51
        +2
        Quote: DRA-88
        ! This is the Tupolev chip ...

        Forgot Myasishchev! Is Sukhoi's Sotka not heavy?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NZklOcA4Zo
    7. Aleks28
      Aleks28 19 October 2014 16: 45
      +1
      The UAVs existing at this moment (in terms of their characteristics) are only good in a war against bananostanes. So, we can say that there is no normal strike drone in the world yet.
      1. Dreamwriter
        Dreamwriter 19 October 2014 17: 13
        +1
        Not necessary. If very stealth - then as a bomber it will do well. Attack aircraft - yes, here against bananostanov.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 October 2014 17: 18
          +1
          But the technology of "shibkotelsnost" has not yet been developed, so far only being visible. request
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 19 October 2014 18: 02
        -9
        Quote: Allex28
        The UAVs existing at this moment (in terms of their characteristics) are good in the war only against bananostans.
        Here on "VO" it was said that the Georgians quite successfully used drones in 080808. And it was problematic to shoot them down by the Russians.
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 October 2014 18: 14
          +18
          Quote: Alibekulu
          And knocking them Russian was problematic.
          Yes, what are you saying ...

          And you should have seen how REB members "work" with them ...
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 19 October 2014 18: 46
            +3
            Forever overtake me on a bend .... recourse
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 19 October 2014 20: 07
            -4
            Quote: svp67
            Yes, what are you saying ...
            .
            Quote: Allex28
            Well, it’s probably the Georgians themselves who said ... Maybe the Jews also (there were Israeli drones).
            I'm sho, I'm nothing lol .
            Here, as it were, a forum where you can read the opinions of smart people. And I, maybe clumsily relayed Rustam, who just wrote: "Shamanov himself said that Israeli drone flies, but we can't get them, and ours can't even take off like a bee .."
            And yours, even close to the Israeli counterparts, okromya semi-handicraft crafts .. repeat
            1. VAF
              VAF 19 October 2014 20: 30
              +3
              Quote: Alibekulu
              And yours, even close to the Israeli counterparts, okromya semi-handicraft crafts ..


              Well, dear, you write correctly what you read, but according to your statements it turns out that you read something, but "reproduce" .. clumsy wink

              And why analogs. If there are "purely Israeli", only our release wink -the answer concerns your PURE - "..." yours are not even close ........ "

              UAV "Forpost" is a licensed copy of the Israeli drone Searcher Mk II, and "Zastava" is a copy of Bird Eye 400.

            2. VAF
              VAF 19 October 2014 20: 34
              +5
              Quote: Alibekulu
              And your


              And this is the answer to "And" yours "," not even close ... have no analogues " wink

            3. svp67
              svp67 20 October 2014 03: 43
              +1
              Quote: Alibekulu
              And yours, even close to the Israeli counterparts, okromya semi-handicraft crafts ..

              Well, you are obviously getting excited ... We already have units of "unmanned aerial vehicles" in each brigade, you cannot create them on the basis of "semi-handicraft" ones. And on the basis of licensed - YES. The main thing is that they already exist and the troops are trained to use them, but now you can create and supply your own based on the experience gained.
        2. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 October 2014 18: 45
          +1
          Well, it’s probably the Georgians themselves who said ... wink Maybe also the Jews (there were Israeli drones).
    8. KazakPatrol
      KazakPatrol 19 October 2014 16: 47
      +1
      He should not only fly, but also work at the full power of his weapons. Fortunately, there are plenty of goals.
    9. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 19 October 2014 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      it’s necessary to pass factory tests already,

      Having no serious groundwork in automation and control, after almost 20 years of the collapse of the country, to create an apparatus with a maximum take-off mass of 20 tons, this, I tell you, is not to husk seeds. Yes, and the haste when catching fleas is rather necessary.
      This X-47V has about 7 tons of mass, just. With loading and fuel, the mass increases to 20 tons.
    10. Ustian
      Ustian 19 October 2014 20: 11
      0
      Everything is advancing towards the big Schuher. Hatred in the World is growing exponentially. If, Maximum, the next year does not start, I'll eat my hat! I will be glad for such a menu .... However, time will tell (((.
    11. Denimax
      Denimax 19 October 2014 20: 23
      0
      And immediately in 20 tons. At least a medium-sized working size was created, like the Predator.
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 19 October 2014 20: 31
        0
        Ha, what have you not heard from our managers "geniuses" the obsession of "unification", as I understand it, that the mass of 20 tons is due to it!
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    13. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 19 October 2014 21: 15
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Judging by the surrounding world, it is already necessary to pass factory tests, and not to present the layout.

      So the layout is not visible, or is this nameplate with the inscription "Dry military aircraft" and is the layout of the drone?
    14. KAM
      KAM 19 October 2014 21: 22
      0
      I completely agree with you. The Americans have been launching a UAV from an aircraft carrier for a long time, and their UAV has returned from space. True, we once had a "blizzard"
    15. vtnsk
      vtnsk 20 October 2014 04: 55
      0
      And where is it written in the article that they are not being held? ... smile
    16. Blondy
      Blondy 20 October 2014 10: 19
      0
      Judging by the surrounding world, it is already necessary to pass factory tests, and not to present the layout.
      That's for sure - in the "outside world" of the mattress makers, the secret drone returned after a two-year stay in orbit.
    17. Zhekson
      Zhekson 21 October 2014 15: 19
      0
      our drones flew back in the 80s. Buranas remember? Everything will be normal.
  2. Hera7
    Hera7 19 October 2014 16: 21
    0
    The good news is we need such birds, the more the better.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 19 October 2014 16: 39
      +2
      The good news is we need such birds, the more the better.

      First, the manned PAK FA would be put on the conveyor
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  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 16: 26
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Judging by the surrounding world, it is already necessary to pass factory tests, and not to present the layout. yes
    and these drones I think I’m sure soon they will go to the troops ... but something tells me that they are geared to the sea, although Russia doesn’t have an aircraft carrier or aircraft carrier ... but time will tell ... what is the pace of construction of strike types weapons are accelerating every day, this is already clearly visible .. and thank God ... faster and more
  5. Dymster
    Dymster 19 October 2014 16: 27
    +2
    Sorry no photo
  6. Migari
    Migari 19 October 2014 16: 27
    +4
    Yes, we harness for a long time, I hope, taking into account the best world standards, things will go faster, if only they would not drag out, as we usually do.
    1. sergkar
      sergkar 19 October 2014 18: 59
      +1
      if only they wouldn’t drag it out, as usual with us.


      Well, it depends on financing. If you immediately grab yourself and your loved ones and work, then do not drag out. And if only for yourself loved ones, then a long song. The customer himself will be to blame, underfunded! am
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 19 October 2014 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      taking into account the best world models, things will go faster

      And there’s nothing to align with. No.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 16: 32
    +2
    Quote: Migari
    Yes, we harness for a long time, I hope, taking into account the best world standards, things will go faster, if only they would not drag out, as we usually do.

    there’s no time to harness already ... therefore they finally started moving ...
  8. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 October 2014 16: 33
    +1
    I do not like this drones mod. It would be better if all efforts were directed to the assembly of the following flight prototypes of the PAK FA request
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 19 October 2014 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      I do not like this drones mod. It would be better if all efforts were directed to the assembly of the following flight prototypes of the PAK FA

      Let's be honest: Soviet cosmonauts did not walk on the Moon (I think neither did American astronauts!), But Lunokhod-1 and Lunokhod-2 were and were working on the Earth satellite, unmanned pilots, however!
  9. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 16: 34
    +3
    but we still lag behind the mattresses ... their drone is already trying to land on an aircraft carrier .. again as catching up ... uv
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 19 October 2014 16: 43
      0
      their drone is already trying to land on an aircraft carrier

      As far as I know, he is already landing and is already taking off from the Nimtsev
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 19 October 2014 16: 47
      +1
      I think that’s not quite so. It’s a promising, new business, and it’s better to look closely at the mistakes of others, and not to make exactly the same yourself and then overcome them heroically. Our valiant intelligence is surely digging the earth with our nose and all the domestic interested specialists are up to date ...
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 19 October 2014 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        but we still lag behind the mattresses ... their drone is already trying to land on an aircraft carrier .. again in the role of catching up

        That is why it is necessary to chase after someone, all the more not knowing where the opponent is going, we can in the ass and on the hafno, sit down, we must use our brains. The best drone is Iskander M and Topol M, the FSB and the GRU will do the rest. Compare the budget of the United States and Russia, a drone is not the most necessary thing.
  10. Sharky
    Sharky 19 October 2014 16: 34
    +3
    I think that it will be difficult to create a drone control system on its own material base. This is frustrating, it seems that we are constantly talking about import substitution, but in the field of microelectronics we didn’t even have a horse crying .
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 19 October 2014 16: 49
      0
      So let our sworn probable friends think so too!
  11. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 16: 37
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz
    I do not like this drones mod. It would be better if all efforts were directed to the assembly of the following flight prototypes of the PAK FA request

    everything should go in a compartment ... drones are needed and this is already a proven fact ... they are useful and quite effective ... and so far we are slightly behind ... and this cannot be allowed ... especially given the current situation in the world
  12. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 October 2014 16: 37
    +12
    And what is not to like the MiG "Skat"? He carries KAB and the Kh-31 request
    1. avt
      avt 19 October 2014 17: 27
      +5
      Quote: Wiruz
      And what is not to like the MiG "Skat"?

      And as if those do not like what is called MiGovsky. Actually, it looks like the layout remained the same, only now it is called Sukhovsky. laughing If you dig into the site’s archive, you’ll find an article that MiG handed over to Sukhoi, so it’s quite possible to replace the absence of a photo in the article with the advertising booklet from MAKS that you posted and add a photo from there.
    2. quote
      quote 19 October 2014 17: 33
      +2
      And what is not to like the MiG "Skat"? He carries KAB and the Kh-31
      And how many without CABs and X-31s did he fly ?? And his aerodynamic design is the most difficult to control. He proved the F-117.
      According to Sergey Korotkov, Director General of RIG "MIG", the development of the unmanned strike aircraft Skat has been discontinued. According to the decision of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Sukhoi AHK was selected as the lead developer of the promising attack UAV according to the results of the relevant tender. However, the groundwork for the Skat will be used in the development of the “family” of the Sukhoi UAV, and RSK MiG will take part in these works.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 October 2014 17: 34
      +2
      The Ministry of Defense scored on Skat that something was not pleasant.
    4. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 19 October 2014 17: 37
      -2
      And why is it not clear, the Armenian muddies the water, for him there are only "pluses" and loot to saw and in parallel to "KB MiG" finally strangle!
    5. Andy1111
      Andy1111 19 October 2014 19: 39
      -3
      The fact that the MiG in fact has long ceased to exist, and in principle it is not capable of constructing anything
  13. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 October 2014 16: 41
    0
    Sukhoi created a model of a heavy impact drone

    Then it’s better to immediately make a universal drone - a sixth generation fighter that can work both on the ground and on air targets. IMHO request
  14. Fast
    Fast 19 October 2014 16: 42
    +1
    We have such an airplane model club. 20t!
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 19 October 2014 17: 25
      -3
      Yes, if divided by 20, it will weigh a ton. Well, what a saving! And arm - with something light, but harsh. what
  15. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 19 October 2014 16: 43
    +1
    Many who were engaged in drones in Russia. The heavy ones were given to the Tupolev project. To understand the scope, it is worth knowing the range and altitude
  16. lotar
    lotar 19 October 2014 16: 44
    +6
    In my opinion, it is not at all necessary to engage in window dressing in front of the public, the main thing is the availability of effective modern bispilot means adequately sharpened for specific tasks. And the fact that someone learns about these technical systems at the very last moment, before transferring to the state of "fertilization" will mean the efficiency that is required of these systems.
  17. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 16: 45
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz
    Sukhoi created a model of a heavy impact drone

    Then it’s better to immediately make a universal drone - a sixth generation fighter that can work both on the ground and on air targets. IMHO request

    and this is perhaps the first step towards the sixth generation ... in order to accumulate experience and then forward ...
  18. Yarhann
    Yarhann 19 October 2014 16: 48
    +4
    The Russian army needs an unmanned attack aircraft to replace the Su 25th. Drying can use cheap ammunition FAB RS and TP, and this is its advantage over carriers of precision weapons. In addition, she always enters the zone of fire contact. And removing from the cockpit you can no longer care about its reservation and in general about the cockpit, the attack aircraft will be able to take more bomb load or have more armor in the right places. The carrier itself, i.e., an UAV, must have modern means of detection and reconnaissance - although modifications are possible as members of a group where there are no means of detection at all and target designation is given out by the main UAV of the group or by a PAK FA type mother aircraft with powerful detection and reconnaissance means. And UAVs are just drones it is with such an application that economic efficiency will be high - these drones can also be used for escorting long-range bomber aircraft. Thus, it is possible to reduce the cost of UAVs as much as possible, which will make it possible to use them in conditions of strong combat resistance. Well, if everything is finally very sad, then first precision-guided missiles of the Caliber or Iskander complex are used, and then UAVs go to cleanup. In general, I see the shock UAV project itself as an element of its integration into the PAK FA and PAK DA complex - just to make a stupid analog of the same PAK FA only without a pilot is endlessly stupid - the UAV in the strategic construction of the complex should be an assistant and the first line of defense in the PAK FA complex and PAK YES, and in tactical use it should be highly specialized, that is, built on an open source, when on a single drone, depending on the installed equipment, various tasks will be solved - both as an attack aircraft and as a fighter and as an escort fighter and as a reconnaissance, etc., etc. And yes, I forgot to say the main thing with such an application with the PAK complex is the possibility of complete robotics when the group’s lead pilot on the PAK FA or PAK YES transfers the group of drones to automatic combat mode in the event of a difficult operational situation and they already perform each of their functions that is assigned to it yes robots seem to be forbidden, but the same Shell and the C400 complex work fine in robot mode.
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 October 2014 16: 48
    +2
    Heavy impact drones are the future of aviation. Without a man, an airplane can maneuver with greater overload, and the life support of a pilot with all sorts of devices, catapults and lights weighs a lot. You can load combat load or fuel.
  20. senima56
    senima56 19 October 2014 16: 49
    -1
    In childhood, we also engaged in aircraft modeling .... True, no one later connected his life with aviation, but we, the children, are excusable. And Mr. Poghosyan, it seems, still has not played enough in the model!
  21. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 16: 49
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz
    As far as I know, he is already landing and is already taking off from the Nimtsev

    I heard that he’s not sitting very confidently yet ... and with the armament there is also a big question ... 20 tons is a full-fledged stormtrooper ... God knows. maybe really swung at the 6 generation without finalizing the 5 ... too much of ambiguities ... one is glad that they move and do ...
  22. sv68
    sv68 19 October 2014 17: 26
    0
    I’m more and more confident that the next apocalypse is clearly assigned until 2020 - all at this time or almost at that time they promise to sell their products. Here and shock drone - before this time they want to not only raise to the wing, but also to give the army. and in 2018 if the army doesn’t recognize this pepelats-who will answer for the bazaar? let's say if you announce the deadlines, then do not lie later — objective circumstances did not allow — war — the worst thing — all the rest is nonsense. or they named the date — and at least kill yourself — but do and do well, or don’t take up work at all, give way to those who can actually do it.
  23. valersvet
    valersvet 19 October 2014 17: 28
    0
    let's say mattresses are bluffing about UAV landing on an aircraft carrier,
    I hope that we do not bluff about creating a heavy shock UAV
  24. awersa
    awersa 19 October 2014 17: 29
    +1
    Yes, even the Tupolevites, even the Dry ones, are necessary thing in the troops and the question of its availability has long been ripe ...
  25. Vadim237
    Vadim237 19 October 2014 17: 32
    0
    He will take off somewhere in the twentieth year.
  26. Abbra
    Abbra 19 October 2014 17: 33
    +1
    My dream is about the Russian-made drone. Which flies at an altitude of 5 meters, enveloping rocks and forests. Flies to itself and flies. At the same time, she’s chirping. And inside the maaaalenky nuclear bomb.
  27. Mestny
    Mestny 19 October 2014 17: 43
    0
    Or maybe in general - do you need a universal unmanned control module?
    Well type - put a box in the cockpit, connected the connectors, chose the type of aircraft - and go ...
    But it looks like a fantasy into the distant future.
  28. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 19 October 2014 17: 48
    0
    20 tons?
    I can imagine.

    By the way, a data exchange system between fighters has been operating for quite some time, when the control is actually carried out by one of the pilots, and all the rest work with weapons.
    If double drying is supported by several such drones, then an interesting picture emerges. Especially considering that the control can be thrown from the ground to a manned aircraft and vice versa.
  29. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 17: 59
    +2
    Quote: SPACE
    That is why it is necessary to chase after someone, all the more not knowing where the opponent is going, we can in the ass and on the hafno, sit down, we must use our brains. The best drone is Iskander M and Topol M, the FSB and the GRU will do the rest. Compare the budget of the United States and Russia, a drone is not the most necessary thing.

    dear, don’t talk like a Soviet soldier of the formation of the 60’s ... the FSB, the GRU, Iskander, Topol-M ... will you also go to Russia to defend Russian interests with Topol? Syria or Libya or whatever? ... Nobody chases and doesn’t offer ... the conversation is about the fact that we lost our leadership in the issue of unmanned aerial vehicles when Buran wrote off ... and now in the yard of the 21 century, if you are not already aware, your bravado is like scaring a hedgehog with your bare backside ... the enemy also has the CIA and the NSA ... that is the arms race to be ahead of everyone ... but in this matter s not even the second if not sad to admit it ... this is your urapatriotizm no good and useful not lead ... the power she had strength, when the mind and the dull click and condemn the whole world do not need a lot of brain ...
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 19 October 2014 18: 28
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      Dear, do not argue as the Soviet soldier of the 60's formation

      Everything new is well-forgotten old and yes, and Buran was a lunar rover, in space affairs there is no way without them, so it can do it, and not rave about mass production it is not clear why and why.
      Quote: NEXUS
      their leadership prosrali

      I suppose you are not alone.
      Quote: NEXUS
      and now in the yard 21 century

      )))So what? Do you seriously hope that the drone can solve something globally? In principle, Americans also think so, but so far no one has canceled the strategic offensive arms and INF. You know, let the Americans chase the terrorists on drones in their blockbusters, fixing the jambs of the NSA)))
  30. runway
    runway 19 October 2014 18: 00
    +2
    I believe the main thing is that there is an unmanned drummer!
    And the one whose firm made it, I think, is the tenth thing. "Sukhoi" has the ability to quickly complete a mission significantly more than anyone else. And we need a drummer. But the weight is really big. For final conclusions, we will wait for the official performance characteristics. Well, for the beginning! drinks
  31. Siberian
    Siberian 19 October 2014 18: 00
    +1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Judging by the surrounding world, it is necessary to pass factory tests already, and not to present the model

    ............................ Everything would be fine, but we are behind in this type of aircraft construction and we can’t get anywhere ... So we’ll catch up, catch up, and in some ways get ahead ... we have our own peculiarities, there is ...........
  32. Abbra
    Abbra 19 October 2014 18: 06
    +1
    I propose to work on the idea of ​​a walking Kalashnikov assault rifle. And run a hundred pieces in the direction of NATO. crying
  33. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 19 October 2014 18: 07
    +1
    it's time to leave everyone in the deep backside
  34. Svetovod
    Svetovod 19 October 2014 18: 15
    +1
    The longer you harness, the faster you have to go.
  35. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 October 2014 18: 19
    0
    The elusive avengers of Russia are already needed as air. Including for the Ukrainian souls, the treatment must be started, gradually moving to other parts of the world.
  36. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 19 October 2014 18: 24
    0
    Quote: vadson
    Moscow was not built right away, well, at least they started to move

    In order to be happy - to approach the future with the right, positive attitude - you can not get hung up on the idea that life is not as good as it once was. Life now, by definition, should be better than ever in the past, and in the future it will inevitably be better and better. Douglas Copland
  37. jindol47
    jindol47 19 October 2014 18: 31
    0
    And where is the competition on this topic. Again the omnipresent Sukhoi (Tupolev)
  38. BOB044
    BOB044 19 October 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Everything will be in Russia and shock drones and other advanced military equipment. We are not Ukraine where tanks developed in the 60s are modernizing everything. hi
  39. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 18: 55
    +4
    Quote: SPACE
    )))So what? Do you seriously hope that the drone can solve something globally? In principle, Americans also think so, but so far no one has canceled the strategic offensive arms and INF. You know, let the Americans chase the terrorists on drones in their blockbusters, fixing the jambs of the NSA)))
    Do you seriously think that the life of a pilot is worthless? ... In addition, this pilot must still be learned, money is not childish and then hoped that it will not be knocked down by a rocket ... ROBOT DO NOT TEACH! And such an overload the technique keeps such that no ace can stand it ... and you can hang up more weapons on the UAV ... enough? And this technique solves the problem, from reconnaissance and guidance, to the shock operation ... blockbusters, damn it ... no longer a blockbuster but a prose of life ...
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 19 October 2014 19: 47
      0
      Some missiles, everything you write will do it several times further, faster, more accurately and more safely for the pilot))). Others will not give your brainless robot a single chance. And this, the real reality of the 21 century, and not a prosaic circle of aircraft modellers, and that's why your UAVs are in the very last place.
  40. Quadra
    Quadra 19 October 2014 18: 58
    +4
    Quote: Yarhann
    The Russian army needs an unmanned attack aircraft to replace the Su 25th. Drying knows how to use cheap ammunition FAB RS and TP, and this is its advantage over carriers of precision weapons. In addition, she always enters the zone of fire contact. And removing from the cockpit you can no longer care about its reservation and in general about the cockpit, the attack aircraft will be able to take more bomb load or have more armor in the right places.


    Yeah, here he is a bastard with the Americans, even flies
    QA-10
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 19 October 2014 19: 03
      -1
      Isn't that the one who was planted in Iran? wink laughing
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 19 October 2014 19: 21
        +1
        ............ Fedot, but not that ...............
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 October 2014 19: 35
          +1
          Quote: Siberian
          ............ Fedot, but not that ...............

          Accurately noticed. Not in the eyebrow, but (so to speak) in the eye .. wassat
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    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 October 2014 20: 28
      +4
      Quote: Quadra
      Yeah, here he is a bastard with the Americans, even flies

      Ours too ...
      1. Quadra
        Quadra 19 October 2014 20: 46
        +4
        Yopta, then for a three-eyed (in the sense of a three-air intake) hoopoe? It’s not good to do this with Photoshop ... on the issue of the photo that I posted - QA-10, drone based on A-10, go search.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 19 October 2014 21: 19
          +1
          Quote: Quadra
          pictures that I posted - QA-10, a drone based on the A-10, go search.

          Exactly !!!!! There is one !!! fellow http://floomby.ru/s2/eepJwD Это совместное производство..А-10 в Юсаше выпущен,а кабину я отвинтил.. wassat
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          2. Aleks28
            Aleks28 19 October 2014 21: 27
            0
            In !!! In all its glory !!!
          3. Quadra
            Quadra 19 October 2014 21: 55
            0
            http://diydrones.com/photo/dsc03780xx-1/prev?context=user
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 19 October 2014 21: 58
              0
              Have you watched my work?
            2. Aleks28
              Aleks28 19 October 2014 22: 15
              +1
              Something like that...
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 October 2014 11: 31
          0
          Quote: Quadra
          Yopta, then for a three-eyed (in the sense of a three-air intake) hoopoe?

          I can close up the four-eyed! The main thing is to look scary and mysterious!
  41. Samarin
    Samarin 19 October 2014 19: 28
    -1
    Quote: vadson
    and at the expense of the lady ...

    And it would be necessary to send him on vacation ... to Kolyma, for example ...
  42. Bayonet
    Bayonet 19 October 2014 19: 49
    +1
    "In 2018, the creation of the Sukhoi attack UAV should be completed."
    When it will fly, then let them publish an article - "Sukhoi" created a model of a heavy attack drone. "
    In the meantime - the chicken in the nest, the testicle ....
  43. IAlex
    IAlex 19 October 2014 19: 53
    +1
    Looks like Psaking. There are a lot of words about a real fact, and there is not even a normal photo. Pogasyan has probably taken away the next project "Skat" from MIG, now he will finish some parts and present it again for a bunch of lards. If everyone wants UAVs so much in the government, then what was not found on the Skat, but as they were floated to Sukhoi, everything was found right away, direct deja vu on SSJ-100 and Tu-334, the result will probably be the same as in the previous product in the picture below , which is still assembled piece by piece ... And by the way, the share of foreign components in the SSJ-100 was more than 75%, i.e. the state happily divorced into the industrial assembly of foreign aircraft at the expense of taxpayers, with refusals to supply components due to sanctions, a very useful device for the people of the Russian Federation.

    And the glorious MIG enterprise will turn into an analogue of ZIL ...
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  45. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 October 2014 19: 58
    +3
    Quote: SPACE
    Some missiles, everything you write will be made several times faster, more accurately and safer for the pilot))). Others will not give your brainless robot a single chance. And this is the real reality of the 21 century, and not a prosaic circle of aircraft models and that is why your UAVs are in the very last place.

    but let’s just go away with Poplars on mattresses! Why trifle? Or we’ll hammer it out for tank building, shipbuilding, aviation ... what the hell are we, if there are rockets? We’ll send one rocket under 1000 megatons and that's it ... And we’ll sit with all crooked fingers threaten the base and cleverly say: Ay yay yay! You don’t write such stupidity anymore, but think yourself that it’s not 60 in the yard ... and you don’t need to beat shoes on the table here, they simply won’t understand you ...
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  46. pvv113
    pvv113 19 October 2014 20: 15
    +3
    in 2011, Sukhoi Aviation Holding received an order for the development and construction of a heavy attack drone

    And why didn’t they connect other design bureaus to the project? Based on healthy competition, the timing of preparedness would be reduced. For example, when creating a strategic bomber, the Tupolev and Myasishchev Design Bureau worked. As a result, we got two cars, one of which is still flying.
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    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 October 2014 20: 49
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      one of which flies to this day [/ quote]
      And the other, at the suggestion of Tupolev, "clipped" the wings, but it was no worse!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NZklOcA4Zo
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 19 October 2014 21: 11
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        Quote: Bayonet
        But it was no worse!

        Yes, "weaving" is certainly a masterpiece, but it's like a racing, single-seater car and without trunk , beautiful, fast, expensive, but ... and so it is, and the appearance of "long-range" missiles completely neutralized its advantages!
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 October 2014 21: 35
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        This aircraft had a design flaw - only two weapons suspension units, i.e. a two-missile bomber.
  47. Naum
    Naum 19 October 2014 21: 20
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    Shock drone d.b. appear 10 years ago! Did the "stool" people really need it?
    For me, a non-professional in this matter, it is quite obvious that in any plane (tank, helicopter, etc.) the most valuable "mechanism" is their crews. PEOPLE. Controlling equipment from a distance, in comfort with the help of computers, people do not experience any overloads, no mechanical shocks, no other threat from the outside, no stress and can concentrate exclusively on the effective control of "drones" - air, land and sea.
  48. Urri
    Urri 19 October 2014 21: 22
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    The drone is applicable against a technologically weak enemy. For example, UG (sorry, IG).

    Against the modern REP troops, his chances of completing the task, which are both intelligence and strike, are small. The robotic fighter will have chances, provided it is fully informed of its autonomy and hypermaneuverability, the possibility of which is determined by the permissible values ​​of the structure overload without a pilot. And then, given the actual availability already, let's call them so, heavy duty mobile microwave generators are not a fact.
  49. Urri
    Urri 19 October 2014 21: 26
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    Quote: Abbra
    I propose to work on the idea of ​​a walking Kalashnikov assault rifle. And run a hundred pieces in the direction


    The Ukronazists have been working on this for 25 years. 45 thousand produced. In April, launched in the direction of the border with Russia in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
  50. Turkestan
    Turkestan 19 October 2014 21: 51
    +2
    Sukhoi is certainly an advanced company, but I would like to know and see aviation news here on the website of such aviation design bureaus as Myasishchev, Yakovlev, Mikoyan, Tupolev, Ilyushin, Mil, Kamov? As for drones, many of these companies made drones as far back as 60 years and they were in service with the SOVIET ARMY such as La-17R, created on the basis of an air target, Tu-123 (DBR-1 “Hawk” long-range photo and radio reconnaissance complex) based on a cruise missile. In the late 1970s, the Strizh complex with the Tu-141 jet apparatus appeared, and in 1982, the VR-3 Reis tactical reconnaissance complex with the Tu-143 apparatus.

    By the way, the Tu-143, built in the amount of 950 pieces, became the most massive UAV.