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GDP myth

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Very often, in discussions, the main achievement of GDP is the multiple increase in GDP. But not in the sense that Putin grew up above himself and began plowing the spaces of the opera house, but in the sense that during the years of Putin’s rule, the gross domestic product of Russia grew. And many argue that has grown tenfold.

Let's face it.

First you need to understand that GDP is different.

Nominal GDP is the value of all final goods and services expressed in current market prices.

Real GDP is GDP in prices of the previous (or any other) year, adjusted for inflation.

And so:

Comparing the nominal values ​​of GDP for different years is nonsense. So you can compare GDP for 1997 and for 1999 year in rubles and see the phenomenal growth, which was caused only by the fact that after the 1998 crisis, the ruble exchange rate has decreased, and the prices have increased significantly. As a result, the nominal GDP seems to have grown, and the population has become poorer.

Even in dollars, nominal GDP for different years is incorrect to compare, because the dollar is also subject to inflation, no matter how strange it may seem to some.

To determine the growth of the economy you need to compare the real GDP, calculated taking into account the index deflator.

Real and only real!

Now let's compare:

GDP for 2000 year in prices 2008 year = 24799,9 billion.
GDP for 2013 year in prices 2008 year = 43447,6 billion.

We get height = 1.75 times.

Less than two times!

Data taken from official statistics.

There is another good indicator - GDP at PPP. This is a calculation of GDP, taking into account the purchasing power parity of the national currency. What is different about the amendment to the PPP from the amendment to inflation - I will not retell, otherwise experts will fly in and will find fault with every word. Who cares - read the economic literature.

Just give the data:

GDP at PPP for 2000 year in prices 2011 year = 1931,1 billion dollars.
GDP at PPP for 2013 year in prices 2011 year = 3381,5 billion dollars.

We get height = 1.75 times.

Wow! And here is the same thing! Coincided!

And where is the growth tenfold?

I repeat: inflation!

In 2000, I had enough 20 rubles for lunch, today I need 150-200 in the most modest institution. Traveling by bus cost 6 rubles, today 17. Kommunalka was about 1000 rubles, today 5000. And so on. Least of all have changed the prices of computers, cars and other junk, which for most people is a smaller part of the costs. And food, utilities, rent, gasoline and other fixed costs that eat up most of the salaries (and therefore generate the lion's share of GDP in the country) - they have grown very significantly over the past 14 years.

You can still calculate the per capita GDP, but this will not make a big difference, because the change in Russia's population over the 14 years is less than 1%.

But I can provide other interesting information:

The total fortune of 20 by the richest Russian businessmen according to Forbes:

2005 year = 901 billion dollars
2014 year = 2388 billion dollars

Height = 2.65 times!

True, this is not a correction for inflation, but the data are in dollars, so here the amendment will be within 30%, who wants to be able to calculate more precisely.

I don’t see any data earlier than 2005 of the year on the Forbes website, so I’ll only provide a comparison for 9 years.

So: the growth of the state of Russian billionaires over 9 years turns out more than Russia's GDP growth over 14 years!

What does it mean?

This means that a part of GDP growth is being "eaten up" by the most affluent part of society. If the income growth of the most affluent part of citizens is ahead of GDP growth, then the income growth of all others, on the contrary, lags behind GDP growth. Right? Or is your math different from mine?

In Russia, over the past 14 years, the difference between the incomes of the most affluent part of society and those of the least affluent has increased significantly.

If we take out the billionaires and corporations (the incomes of which sometimes grew tenfold), then it turns out that the incomes of 99% of the population not belonging to billionaires, multimillionaires and their family members grew less than 1.75 times.

If we still take out the 10% of the most well-to-do citizens, then it turns out that 90% (when adjusted for inflation) over the years 14 grew not at all 1.75 times, but hardly 1.5.

And if you divide the population in half according to the income criterion, then the less well-off half of the income (adjusted for inflation) did not grow at all.

Similarly, it can be distinguished from the total population of the inhabitants of Moscow and St. Petersburg - their incomes, even when adjusted for inflation, have increased several times, significantly overtaking the growth of the country's GDP. This means that the income growth of the rest of Russia is much more modest (than GDP growth) - about 1.3 - 1.5 times. And if all the megalopolises of the country are separated and counted only incomes of the population living in settlements with less than a million inhabitants, then income growth will be barely noticeable at all (adjusted for inflation, we never forget about it).

This means the following:

Over the past 14 years, the rich have become richer, while the poor have remained at their pennies.

That is, all or almost all of the GDP growth is accounted for wealthy citizens, residents of Moscow, St. Petersburg and several other megalopolises, as well as employees of banks, large corporations and officials.

In Russia in recent years there has been a growing gap between the incomes of 20% of the most affluent citizens and the rest of the masses, between incomes in Moscow and St. Petersburg and in the regions.

Social inequality is growing.

The gap between the incomes of wealthy citizens and the majority of the population is present everywhere or almost everywhere (we do not consider the DPRK). The gap between incomes in the capital and in the provinces is also. Social inequality is the friend and brother of capitalism and democracy throughout the world.

But!

In Russia, the income gap and the level of social inequality are many times higher than those in developed countries and correspond to those in Africa and Latin America.

And this record income gap continues to grow! The level of social inequality is already very large and at the same time it does not decrease, but grows and grows. All recent years.

Russia's economy is growing, but its structure is deteriorating. Revenues are rising, but their distribution is deteriorating.

Russia is becoming a country of sharp contrasts with a critical level of social inequality.

A similar situation with a high level of social inequality was ... in 1913 year. The consequences we know.

This is what Mr. PeZhe brought the country to (s)

For those who, despite the above statistics, will object that his income has grown dozens of times since Yeltsin’s time, and even when adjusted for inflation, I explain separately:

If a person in 1997 was a student and got a first job in a pizza peddler where he got 500 rubles, and today he is working as a lead programmer, economist or shop manager and gets 50 000 rubles - this is not an indicator of economic growth. It’s just that a person has gone the natural way from a student on a part-time job to an experienced professional, whose income is naturally much higher.

Do not confuse personal career and business success, as well as moving from the province to Moscow with economic growth.

And we still have to remember about inflation.

But what about the increase in pensions? They have grown 15 times!

Adjusting for inflation - we get 2-2.5 times. The growth of pensions is slightly ahead of GDP growth and this is done for political reasons. To vote. Because pensioners, along with officials and a wealthy part of society, form a confident majority. And they are relatively inexpensive. True, this is also a deterioration of the structure of the economy, when the growth of pensions overtakes the growth of workers' wages (hence the problems with the pension fund and the actual failure of the pension reform). But pensions are a separate conversation.

The main thing - I repeat - the growth of real GDP (GDP adjusted for inflation) over 14 years is only 1.75 times.

And this is the data of the Federal State Statistics Service.

And no dozen times!
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  1. paul1992
    paul1992 20 October 2014 18: 38
    +8
    GDP for 2000 year in prices 2008 year = 24799,9 billion.
    GDP for 2013 year in prices 2008 year = 43447,6 billion.

    where did these numbers come from? author share the formula ...

    yes, and for its absence, a fat minus, because I myself can substitute any number and pass it off as a real calculation ...
    1. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 20 October 2014 18: 47
      +1
      And why do all-enforcers need formulas and proofs? The main thing is that the people believe and then the long-awaited revolution, I do not want to rob.
    2. Sid.74
      Sid.74 20 October 2014 18: 49
      +16
      And let's count the GDP in parrots, huh? bully
      1. varov14
        varov14 20 October 2014 19: 18
        0
        Better in consumer baskets, if buttons were sewn to the quilted jacket, then it grew.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 20 October 2014 20: 04
          +3
          Quote: varov14
          Better in consumer baskets

          At what prices will this consumer basket be? At prices of 1914 of the year or 2014? With what inflation? All these calculations under themselves have nothing to do with GDP, but with real ones even more so.
          Like any articles on GDP at HE, everything ends with the calculation of GDP in socks. Well, with the active minus of the posts and a sigh, the polymers were drained!
          hi
          1. Candy wrapper
            Candy wrapper 20 October 2014 23: 37
            +19
            All here are immediately attached to GDP, but the key proposal in this article:
            "The Russian economy is growing, but its structure is deteriorating. Incomes are growing, but their distribution is deteriorating."
        2. Peter Timofeev
          Peter Timofeev 20 October 2014 22: 42
          +8
          And where are the aisles of consumption? What do we need for a normal life? Once my wife and I started life from scratch. We worked, earned a living, we had enough (although we lived in a rented apartment very modestly), plus we helped our parents and from that we received moral and spiritual satisfaction, but what now? We want to grow moral freaks? With which serve everything on a silver platter.
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      3. Denis Tatar
        Denis Tatar 20 October 2014 19: 32
        +1
        parrots are not found with us, therefore it will not be objective
      4. 23 region
        23 region 20 October 2014 21: 50
        +8
        Quote: Sid.74
        And let's count the GDP in parrots, huh? bully

        Happiness Index as an Alternative to GDP
        The concept of “gross happiness” was introduced as the unofficial state philosophy by the fourth king of Bhutan. “Happiness of the people is more important than percent of gross domestic product” - emphasized the king. The meaning of this concept for Bhutan is to develop an economy that is consistent with the unique Bhutanese culture based on Buddhist spiritual values. In practice, “gross national happiness” is realized through five-year economic planning, in which progress is slow, in harmony with traditional values: family, culture, nature, and the Buddhist religion. The idea set forth in the resolution is based on the model of “gross national happiness” adopted in Bhutan, which involves measuring the quality of life in the balance between material and spiritual. The basis of this reform are social programs for caring for the elderly, a ban on chemical fertilizers and chemical ingredients, a ban on environmentally harmful industries, and nature conservation.

        “Not everything that can be counted is considered, and not everything that can be counted can be calculated.” (Albert Einstein)
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 54
          +5
          Quote: Region 23
          23 region

          23rd honored +
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    3. machine
      machine 20 October 2014 19: 03
      +5
      Is 75% growth not enough? How disgusting is this research. As I understand the author's logic is that if there is no growth, we can say that this is bad, if there is growth, then we can say that growth would be greater, if growth is really large and there are no arguments, then it will start to find fault with the structure of GDP, if and there are all the rules - it will say the number of drinkers in% relative to the amount of water in the rivers during the flood period, if this does not help, it will fill up with arguments from Wikipedia and all the peaks - analyteg - "analist" in English
      1. samuil60
        samuil60 20 October 2014 21: 47
        +2
        There is a whole group of "comrades" for whom everything in Russia is always "bad and hopeless" and always wants to make a revolution. Well, such a disease. And, by the way, it is practically not cured.
        1. Will
          Will 21 October 2014 01: 03
          +5
          The best enemy of the good!) Therefore, he chooses the lesser of two evils - and all tip-top ..) By all indicators, the GDP is better than the article by this author.)
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 21 October 2014 03: 36
            -5
            Quote: Will
            The best enemy of the good!) Therefore, he chooses the lesser of two evils - and all tip-top ..) By all indicators, the GDP is better than the article by this author.)

            Good is the enemy of the mediocre, the article is better than your comment (I don’t put a minus).
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 21 October 2014 03: 34
          +2
          Quote: samuil60
          There is a whole group of "comrades" for whom everything in Russia is always "bad and hopeless" and always wants to make a revolution. Well, such a disease. And, by the way, it is practically not cured.

          Not everything is bad and hopeless with us, but we always want even better, especially since it is not unreasonable. And only complete dumbheads like "Svidomo" in Ukraine want a revolution, no need to juggle. Therefore, sober-minded citizens, in contrast to the jingoistic patriots and all-talkers, talk about both healthy and unhealthy moments, that they do not want even a pre-revolutionary situation to arise. I would like the negative moments to be corrected, and not blurred out.
          Anesthesia does not cure a disease, but "salt on the wound" cripples.
          A sober and real picture is always better than painted with one pink or, especially, black paint.
      2. Orik
        Orik 20 October 2014 22: 34
        +1
        Quote: mashine
        Is 75% growth not enough? How disgusting is this research. As I understand the author's logic is that if there is no growth, we can say that this is bad, if there is growth, then we can say that growth would be greater, if growth is really large and there are no arguments, then it will start to find fault with the structure of GDP, if and there are all the rules - it will say the number of drinkers in% relative to the amount of water in the rivers during the flood period, if this does not help, it will fill up with arguments from Wikipedia and all the peaks - analyteg - "analist" in English

        FEW! In 1999, oil was 17,7 per barrel, 2013 was already 108,8 an increase of 6,15 times, and if we take the maximum figures of 2012 to 121,4, then 6,86 times. http://newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/Price_to_neft
      3. Penzyac
        Penzyac 21 October 2014 03: 18
        +3
        Quote: mashine
        75% growth is not enough? ...

        Considering the very low post-default "starting" indicators, this is not a lot, especially in comparison with the same Chinese, and if we take into account how rich the "chosen" "masters of life" are and remember all the many promises, it is simply not enough. Although growth is still unquestionable and, most importantly, is perceptible to everyone, there is, but I see no reason to trumpet fanfare for joy. In our country, there have been times with much higher growth rates of both GDP and welfare (albeit always less than GDP growth) of the overwhelming majority of citizens.
    4. milann
      milann 20 October 2014 19: 25
      +22
      The numbers, of course, are good, only I know that in the 2000 year neither military aircraft flew, nor military ships went on campaigns, pensions were not paid for 3 months, and salaries for years. In fact, there was no army, unemployment was going through the roof, Russian government debt exceeded 150% of GDP, today it is 10% of GDP, my mom’s pension increased 4 times, you can list a lot, I’ll add that the threat of Russia's collapse was not only real, but obvious . Conclusion: aftara f firebox! am
      1. engineer31
        engineer31 20 October 2014 22: 11
        +6
        The point is not that "everything is bad", but that it is not necessary to loudly declare what is not really there ...
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 21 October 2014 03: 44
          +3
          Quote: engineer31
          The point is not that "everything is bad", but that it is not necessary to loudly declare what is not really there ...

          It is true that there is no reason to tear your hair out and sprinkle ashes on your head, but to arrange a salute and throw bonnets into the air too.
          Everything seems to be not bad, but I want (and not without reason) better.
      2. Userpic
        Userpic 20 October 2014 22: 37
        +3
        Quote: milann
        I know that in 2000

        Are you crazy about fat?
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 October 2014 19: 32
      +16
      By and large, this is the outcome of the liberal economy in Russia, which was laid down by Gaidar and his team in our country.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 21 October 2014 03: 51
        +3
        Quote: Giant thought
        By and large, this is the outcome of the liberal economy in Russia, which was laid down by Gaidar and his team in our country.

        Yes, and it seems that the liberals are not able to achieve more (not for themselves).
        In the old days, people with different ideas and views did not achieve much more for the country, because they thought and cared not so much about themselves as about the country.
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    7. paul1992
      paul1992 20 October 2014 19: 34
      +3
      Quote: paul1992
      GDP for 2000 year in prices 2008 year = 24799,9 billion.
      GDP for 2013 year in prices 2008 year = 43447,6 billion.

      where did these numbers come from? author share the formula ...

      yes, and for its absence, a fat minus, because I myself can substitute any number and pass it off as a real calculation ...

      and you noticed how many minuses I grabbed for a simple LOGIC question? fool
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 20 October 2014 20: 09
        +2
        Quote: paul1992
        and you noticed how many minuses I grabbed for a simple LOGIC question? fool

        Do not worry! hi Happiness is not a plus! yes
        This sect is simply "pro-salipolymers" having fun!
        They simply got stuck everywhere, and they take revenge from anger with minuses! yes
        1. paul1992
          paul1992 20 October 2014 20: 13
          +2
          Quote: Sid.74
          Quote: paul1992
          and you noticed how many minuses I grabbed for a simple LOGIC question? fool

          Do not worry! hi Happiness is not a plus! yes
          This sect is simply "pro-salipolymers" having fun!
          They simply got stuck everywhere, and they take revenge from anger with minuses! yes

          hi
          I hinted at the presence of people here who simply are not able to think logically ... but your wording also has a right to exist wink
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 20 October 2014 20: 35
            +1
            Forbes gives not just the net money of the rich at the bank, but their assets in the form of the value of factories, ships, denominated in money, i.e. capitalization of the shares of their companies on the stock exchange at a particular point in time, the value of which can vary, depending on the market situation in wide aisles, up to the liquid price. The author should then have highlighted the net arrival of businessmen for the indicated period, minus taxes, expenses for salaries, operation, etc. As for GDP growth, well, if you simply compare and approve without reservation, in the form of inflation and PPPs, then there is growth in 10 ... times, so there are no contradictions, in 10 times or twice as much for the author.
        2. vadson
          vadson 20 October 2014 20: 54
          +14
          people, and of you who have recently been in the outback? contrast is not noticeable compared with millionaires?
          I understand everything perfectly, GDP is pulling the country out of the 90s pit, this is a huge plus for him, but the article is not about that. but about social injustice in our country. for example, I have a salary of 5000 with pennies at work, with a premium of some 7400. And I have to work full time all day. the authorities understand that this is nonsense and idiocy, so I have a free schedule, and I still work in 0 places.
          and so, in Tyumen 12 years ago, a student earned the same income as 7 thousand, and he had enough for a living and he took off and lived in a hut. 10-12 years have passed and the state office has the same salary, is this normal?
          therefore, the meaning of the article is correct, and there is no need to distort that the article in the article is about revolution, not about this conversation
          1. jjj
            jjj 20 October 2014 22: 00
            +2
            If you work for such money, then, apparently, there is a gain, because such a salary is an insult
            1. vadson
              vadson 20 October 2014 22: 31
              +4
              Despite this, for my city, I have a salary situation, wherever I go, because I work in several places and, accordingly, there are also several salaries. 3, 4 years ago, men at the sawmill received 7500 I don’t think that it’s much more now, but there you have to. this is abuse. the average salary in the city is 15, men to the north go on shift to a fire 30 for a month, and a month at home as a result is also 15 per month. a friend in sports school 36 earns, but he is at 3 bets. but I know perfectly well the salaries of managers, I saw salary programs with data, I will say this, they are not modest at all, I also remembered, in the Ministry of Emergencies, the soldier needed a salary of 12. and now compare with millionaires. oh well, to hell with millionaires, and in our wilderness money has only salaries from the bosses much more at times and the good of them .....
            2. Penzyac
              Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 01
              +6
              Quote: jjj
              If you work for such money, then, apparently, there is a gain, because such a salary is an insult

              Yes, this is an insult, many Muscovites (and not only) do not know and do not understand life in the outback, not only that, they are not interested in it at all, and this is very dangerous because of the loss of unity of the people (country).
            3. michell
              michell 21 October 2014 17: 34
              0
              Quote: jjj
              If you work for such money, then, apparently, there is a gain, because such a salary is an insult


              Try in the outback to find a job for normal money. Often write about the huge salaries of officials. I live in a city with a population of 230 thousand, I work in the city administration as a chief specialist - the highest position for an ordinary employee. My salary is a bit below 16 ty, the head of the department is 26 ty, while the work load is not weak at all, and the skill level is required, not everyone can handle it. Most of the offers on the labor market are 12-15 tyr, and there are not many of them. There is no particular choice, we are working with what is. As for the fat, I don’t know how anyone, in our office, people work for a salary (you can always see who lives on what amount). Regarding the fact that such a salary - an insult - is to our employers. The impression that all the employers of the city have conspired and pay employees no more than 15 thousand. And why, indeed, more if they work? And where to employees to go?
              PS With the proposals to create our own business - by the cash register, we are not in Moscow or even Novosibirsk, the situation is completely different, small businessmen just as well survive, and often bring the same 15 - 20 thousand home. Sad ...
        3. Normal
          Normal 20 October 2014 21: 48
          +7
          Quote: Sid.74
          This sect is simply "pro-salipolymers" having fun!

          And here are the representatives of the sect "poeshёnevseprosratopolymers"

          Quote: Sid.74
          They just got stuck everywhere

          Are you a connoisseur of prison practice?
          "Zakozlit" can only .... these same animals, in human form.
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 10
        +2
        Are you too lazy to look in Wikipedia for the answer to the query "Russia's GDP"? Watch and read - unfortunate bummer. There all the "formulas" are written for you. And people give you disadvantages for your stupidity and ignorance.
        1. paul1992
          paul1992 20 October 2014 22: 10
          +1
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Are you too lazy to look in Wikipedia for the answer to the query "Russia's GDP"? Watch and read - unfortunate bummer. There all the "formulas" are written for you. And people give you disadvantages for your stupidity and ignorance.

          in terms of 2008 prices? give me a link please...
      3. PATTIY
        PATTIY 20 October 2014 21: 25
        +1
        Quote: paul1992
        and you noticed how many minuses I grabbed for a simple LOGIC question?

        I looked at the source. here it is: http: //amfora.livejournal.com/
        Recent EntriesArchiveFriendsPersonal Information
        I'm writing to you...
        Subjective reality in the retelling of Alexander Rusin

        this pepper - A. Rusin writes in his LiveJournal and PR himself
    8. lidiy
      lidiy 20 October 2014 20: 26
      +8
      There was an article on this site: "Stick to the truth or about the problem of manipulating consciousness in modern Russia." It says the same thing.
    9. Siberian German
      Siberian German 20 October 2014 20: 32
      +15
      and I'll put him a plus - so I outline the situation for you
      Autumn 2003 year - 1 tons of wheat - 5000 rubles 1 tons of solarium 9000 rubles
      Autumn 2014 year - 1 tons of wheat - 4500 rubles 1 tons of solarium 29500 rubles
      and here I draw my conclusions from here -
      Pensioners have increased pensions - fear God, on the contrary, it has decreased - because prices have increased many times
      Okay, why should everyone speak his own and he sees only his own
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 20 October 2014 20: 38
        -5
        Quote: Siberian German
        Autumn 2003 year - 1 tons of wheat - 5000 rubles 1 tons of solarium 9000 rubles

        The average annual price of Brent crude oil in 2003 was $ 28,9 per barrel, and now it’s around 80 with more than one.
        So your comparison is not correct. hi
        1. Siberian German
          Siberian German 20 October 2014 20: 46
          +11
          so the price of oil falls - why the price at a gas station does not fall
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 20 October 2014 20: 56
            +6
            Quote: Siberian German
            so the price of oil falls - why the price at a gas station does not fall

            Greed!
            1. Siberian German
              Siberian German 20 October 2014 20: 57
              +4
              totally agree
            2. Penzyac
              Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 08
              +1
              Quote: Sid.74
              Quote: Siberian German
              so the price of oil falls - why the price at a gas station does not fall

              Greed!

              Speak the truth!
              She (greed) is all good and ruining.
          2. fzr1000
            fzr1000 20 October 2014 20: 56
            +6
            I’ll tell you a little secret - in the domestic market of the Russian Federation, the price of oil in rubles is growing. And never fell. Therefore, gasoline is not getting cheaper.
            1. Siberian German
              Siberian German 20 October 2014 20: 58
              +2
              I understand what the course is - but I wonder how the prices are over the hill
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 20 October 2014 21: 02
                +4
                In the United States, the price of gasoline drops when the price of oil falls. In Egypt, the price of gasoline under Mubarak was stable, it was there in 1997 and in 2004. The price is almost the same. Now I do not know. Well, nothing about the UAE.
                But you don’t feel like living in Egypt))).
              2. 23 region
                23 region 20 October 2014 22: 53
                +1
                Quote: Siberian German
                I understand what the course is - but I wonder how the prices are over the hill

                (clickable)
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            2. Penzyac
              Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 13
              -3
              Quote: fzr1000
              I’ll tell you a little secret - in the domestic market of the Russian Federation, the price of oil in rubles is growing. And never fell. Therefore, gasoline is not getting cheaper.

              This is an open secret.
              According to liberal theory, in our climate and at our distances, everything should be noticeably more expensive than the global average (corny, all costs are greater).
          3. engineer31
            engineer31 20 October 2014 22: 13
            +9
            It does not fall, because the shareholder gazneft compensates for the fall in the world market at the expense of you and me. After all, once again, a restaurant cannot order wine for $ 20 ...)
          4. 23 region
            23 region 20 October 2014 22: 59
            +10
            Quote: Siberian German
            so the price of oil falls - why the price at a gas station does not fall

            Since oil is getting cheaper, and gas is getting more expensive, then it is getting more expensive with what it is diluted. Conclusion: Donkey urine has risen in price!
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        2. Demetry
          Demetry 20 October 2014 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          The average annual price of Brent crude oil in 2003 was $ 28,9 per barrel, and now it’s around 80 with more than one.
          So your comparison is not correct.

          Ah ... why cheat like that? The average annual price of oil is now unlikely to be less than 100 per barrel. And even if at 85 it lasts until the end of the year, the average annual will be barely barely less than 100. Or maybe not less.
          And if you go into subtleties, then it is more correct to compare not the price itself, but the spread between price and cost.
          In 2003, the cost was about 12 per barrel. Now it seems like about 30.
          Well this is so ... nitpicking)))
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 20 October 2014 21: 17
            +1
            Quote: Demetry
            Ah ... why cheat like that? The average annual price of oil is now unlikely to be less than 100 per barrel.

            request Brent brand price for today is 85.68 $! And the average annual is not known how much will be. The year has not yet passed. yes
            1. Demetry
              Demetry 20 October 2014 21: 51
              +1
              Quote: Sid.74
              The Brent brand price for today is $ 85.68! And the average annual price is not known how much it will be. The year has not yet passed. yes

              Well, I’m exactly about the same wink
              It is necessary to compare similar values. And for the current date, the average annual price of oil cannot be lower than 100 wink
              and in order to fall in this indicator to "80 plus." she needs to fuck up to $ 30 tomorrow and stand like that until the new year))).

              Yes, and you know very well that the average annual rate of 100 (and not "80-plus.") This oil reached back in 2008 (if not earlier. And since then, every year, for 6 years, it has simply pleased us with its sky-high price ))).

              So I don’t know, I don’t know ... at this price (100 per barrel) she doesn’t need to grow anywhere. Remains this for another 10 years, you can double the GDP once again another))) ..... well, if you work wisely and not steal)))
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 18
            +2
            Oil prices are just its selling price by the producing country. Transportation prices and losses are then added to it. Nobody writes about this. Therefore, even expensive oil, but if it is nearby, it may turn out to be more profitable than Saudi.
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 14
          +5
          When did fuel prices fall in Russia? They are only growing, whatever the dollar and oil.
        4. Penzyac
          Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 06
          -1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Quote: Siberian German
          Autumn 2003 year - 1 tons of wheat - 5000 rubles 1 tons of solarium 9000 rubles

          The average annual price of Brent crude oil in 2003 was $ 28,9 per barrel, and now it’s around 80 with more than one.
          So your comparison is not correct. hi

          He said that everyone sees his, you confirm it.
        5. michell
          michell 21 October 2014 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          The average annual price for Brent crude oil in 2003 was $ 28,9 per barrel. And now it’s about 80-odd. So your comparison is not correct.


          The comparison would be incorrect if the Omsk and Achinsk oil refineries would buy oil on an exchange in London. wink hi
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    10. DRA-88
      DRA-88 20 October 2014 20: 53
      +6
      Quote: paul1992
      yes, and for its absence, a fat minus, because I myself can substitute any number and pass it off as a real calculation ...

      You want to say that the government considers it more honest?
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    12. siberalt
      siberalt 20 October 2014 20: 57
      +3
      I agree. GDP has not doubled, but doubled. This is how to multiply negative numbers. Maybe someone will explain how we can immediately take away our accumulative fund from py8ndos? Yes, even in parts they will not give. laughing In fact, it is not there, it is not backed by anything except our future energy supplies for the same chopped "green".
    13. Zhekson
      Zhekson 20 October 2014 21: 37
      -3
      GDP can be calculated from the bioassay of feces.
      There you will be shown and the composition will be given information for writing a new article
    14. Moksha
      Moksha 20 October 2014 21: 37
      0
      I will add my question: the lope the author received in 2000 and how much now ???
    15. 23 region
      23 region 20 October 2014 21: 58
      +8
      Quote: paul1992
      GDP for 2000 year in prices 2008 year = 24799,9 billion.
      GDP for 2013 year in prices 2008 year = 43447,6 billion.

      where did these numbers come from? author share the formula ...

      yes, and for its absence, a fat minus, because I myself can substitute any number and pass it off as a real calculation ...

      because there are no absolute values
      their identification is the main task of economic theory, until the solution of which is like walking to the moon
      and in relative if - then regarding what? if there are no absolute

      This is clear to any person who is even a little familiar with economic theory. No one expects a miracle: it is not possible to accurately calculate the GDP. Does not seem possible.

      But to calculate with known shares of assumptions and even distortions is a perfectly feasible task. What Rosstat does. According to their own methods. How he does this is the tenth question. The main thing - as a result, there are numbers that can be operated on. The author Alexander Rusin used ready-made figures, on the basis of which a conclusion is drawn.

      If you have any complaints about the figures - this is an "equivalent" towards Rosstat. You can blame them for being "skittish". Alexander Rusin to do with it?
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    17. engineer31
      engineer31 20 October 2014 22: 07
      +3
      For those who are especially smart, I’ll give another example: According to the statement made by the zombie seller during the period of granting citizenship to Gerard de Pardieu, our tax is 13% ... and in Geyrop goes beyond 40% ... But there is one caveat: For us, the employer pays insurance installment- former unit social tax 1%. Total: 34 + 13 = 34% ... Here is such an interesting math. Ps USA you as a worker receive a paycheck indicating all taxes where they are not divided as we do on 47 and 13)))
    18. Fast
      Fast 20 October 2014 23: 50
      +9
      Sorry for the intrusion, the question is very important, I read the latest article.
      About retirement, complete nonsense is written, I advise the author to conduct an experiment, to live a month for 6 thousand with the payment of a communal apartment, now some have breakfast with this money. Almost every pensioner I know is a beggar, how lonely God knows how loners live to the next shepherds! The accrual system is monstrous! To the authorities on the drum! The conditions are such, if a person stumbles, for example fined, then he will never be able to pay, there are many such cases.
      We have (2014) http://bs-life.ru/rabota/pensiya/minimalnaya-pensiya2014.html
      In Eastern Europe http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/620026/
      In Western Europe http://anton-dashkin.livejournal.com/198425.html
      The links clearly indicate that in Russia the minimum pension is less even than in resource-less Latvia, with a similar cost of living, I wonder why we are so?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 32
        +2
        Quote: Fast
        ...
        We have (2014) http://bs-life.ru/rabota/pensiya/minimalnaya-pensiya2014.html
        In Eastern Europe http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/620026/
        In Western Europe http://anton-dashkin.livejournal.com/198425.html
        The links clearly indicate that in Russia the minimum pension is less even than in resource-less Latvia, with a similar cost of living, I wonder why we are so?

        For not belonging to them (rich and strong).
        There are "chosen" (self-chosen) and there are all the rest (according to the concepts of "chosen" - ""), depending on them ...
        What is not clear here? Capitalism, however.
    19. dmitrich
      dmitrich 21 October 2014 02: 16
      0
      he was asked to crow, and there at least do not dawn!
    20. Weniamin
      Weniamin 21 October 2014 03: 56
      +2
      A similar conversion methodology is always used for the preliminary calculation of the estimated cost of the project and construction. The estimated cost conversion indices, based on current prices, are published quarterly by the Ministry of Construction and are official data. So the calculation is in principle correct.
    21. tasha
      tasha 21 October 2014 06: 00
      +1
      Well, you wouldn’t be too lazy, dear Paul1992, but you made the calculations yourself, brought the formulas and results you used. Your objections would be more convincing.
  2. Owl27
    Owl27 20 October 2014 18: 38
    +5
    So what? Why the article? Is everything bad again? We know already.
  3. BB14
    BB14 20 October 2014 18: 39
    +10
    Everything is written correctly! As they were beggars they remained.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 20 October 2014 21: 13
      -3
      Quote: BB14
      Everything is written correctly! As they were beggars they remained.

      Have you tried to work?
      Continuing the parallels of the author of the article, all this time, I worked in the same city, approximately in the same position, the salary did not change very much, but for example, before the crisis, I received it in dolarii - really only enough for food, after crisis - the same salary in terms of rubles has increased sharply - i.e. it did me good. Again, to take, for example, the recent past - the salary was enough for food, sometimes to buy something from a "large", now it is enough for a vacation. It is always easy to sum up the results under the theory of the golden billion, but no one wants to change jobs, it is natural that most of our forbers received their start-up capital in not entirely legal ways, but there are people who honestly earned theirs.
      1. bubla5
        bubla5 20 October 2014 21: 46
        0
        Yes, probably all parasites work on this site is unlikely to be found. Here explain for example Germany, you were on a business trip, you can’t live there for 100 euros a month, and we have 4000 rubles, please. So someone does the course for themselves
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 20 October 2014 23: 06
          -5
          Quote: bubla5
          Yes, probably all parasites work on this site is unlikely to be found. Here explain for example Germany, you were on a business trip, you can’t live there for 100 euros a month, and we have 4000 rubles, please. So someone does the course for themselves

          You can work in different ways, you can sit on a 20-year payroll for 10 years and tell everyone how poor you are and how billionaires are to blame, or you can just change jobs.
          And what is the figure of 4 tr attached to? If comparisons are needed, please - http://germany.myftp.org/lebensmittel.php - you can eat more than 100 tr for 4 euros. - what does it prove or change?
          A high rate is profitable for the budget - should you continue further?
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 55
            +6
            Quote: lelikas
            Quote: bubla5
            Yes, probably all parasites work on this site is unlikely to be found. Here explain for example Germany, you were on a business trip, you can’t live there for 100 euros a month, and we have 4000 rubles, please. So someone does the course for themselves

            You can work in different ways, you can sit on a 20-year payroll for 10 years and tell everyone how poor you are and how billionaires are to blame, or you can just change jobs.
            ...

            Go and change somewhere in a provincial town with a single city-forming enterprise. Also me, wise guy ...
            If you are lucky in something, for example, with the place of residence, with the profession and the place of its application, then thank God, and do not "be smart".
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 21 October 2014 21: 51
              0
              Those. if you do not live in Moscow - is this a reason to be rude and feel sorry for yourself?
              - one company in the city? and nothing else in this city? Are you fed and dressed at work? Are the children in the next workshop sitting? The factory bus carries it to work, but, I forgot this city is the only one in the country!
              Although continue to whine, instead of changing something in your life.
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 48
        +4
        Quote: lelikas
        Quote: BB14
        Everything is written correctly! As they were beggars they remained.

        Have you tried to work?
        ...

        Oh, how smart you are ... And then, because others did not guess ...
        Moscow cannot accommodate all of Russia, even together with "New Moscow". Who will feed her (Moscow) then?
        Someone must also produce oil, the proceeds of the sale of which are shared in Moscow, and grow bread and protect the homeland. Russia beyond the 101st kilometer does not end there, it is only just beginning there. Russia, she is differentPeople work everywhere, only money (as well as opportunities) are also different everywhere.
        And don't be smart! Too often now, everything is just the opposite - he who does not work eats.
  4. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 20 October 2014 18: 40
    -1
    Over the past 14 years, the rich have become richer, while the poor have remained at their pennies.

    Let's say ...
    But tell me, WHERE is different? Where is better?
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 20 October 2014 18: 50
      +18
      So what ? those. if others think it’s bad for us, should it be the same with us? Just look at the map, vast territories with innumerable natural riches, science, human resources, and you keep repeating with others that everything is not going smoothly either. It’s a shame to lash in the tail with such resources.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 35
        +2
        And who is stopping you from leading Russia and leading it to the forefront?
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 21 October 2014 07: 07
          +3
          Your sarcasm does not need anyone who interferes or that you know no worse than me. There are people better known than me, with great connections, and they are not even close to the opportunity to campaign their ideas and plans.
    2. Nuar
      Nuar 20 October 2014 18: 53
      +8
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Let's say ...
      But tell me, WHERE is different? Where is better?

      in Cuba. The problems in connection with the complete isolation after the collapse of the Union were higher than the roof and still people coped. (also provided free medical assistance to Ukrainian children affected by the Chernobyl disaster).
      1. Owl27
        Owl27 20 October 2014 19: 26
        +10
        Do not even compare our life with the Cuban, we live in chocolate against them (we were this summer). There are problems above the roof ..... So, well there, well, you know ...
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 01
          +7
          Quote: Owl27
          Do not even compare our life with the Cuban, we live in chocolate against them

          Your chocolate life will melt along with the price of oil.
          It will be interesting to listen to your opinion in the spring.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 October 2014 19: 04
      +8
      In the USSR we were not so poor, rather pretended to be.
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 32
      +5
      It was better. Lenin did not die rich, Stalin died not rich, Khrushchev died not rich. But starting from Brezhnev, greed appeared in the leadership of the Communist Party. And here it became bad for the whole country. People felt that there was an opportunity to cash in. After all, to what extent. One example. In the USSR it was announced that in the USSR only cereals of the second (feed) grade are growing and therefore they began to be sold abroad as a second grade. Abroad, there was a transformation of grain quality. It became the highest grade. And sold at the highest prices. The difference from the sale through these Western or Asian firms owned by the leaders of the USSR came to these traitors of communism. But that's not all. The same grain, without reloading, on the same ships, was sent to the USSR, like high-quality grain bought abroad. And already our Motherland paid all expenses for this grain.
    5. Penzyac
      Penzyac 21 October 2014 04: 56
      +2
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Over the past 14 years, the rich have become richer, while the poor have remained at their pennies.

      Let's say ...
      But tell me, WHERE is different? Where is better?

      It was better-in the USSR ...
      Although, of course, it was also not perfect, there was quite a lot of undeserved (not fair) inequality in the USSR.
  5. sergey32
    sergey32 20 October 2014 18: 42
    +29
    The most vulnerable in Russia are not pensioners at all, but young families with children. Apartments are usually rented, the wife is at home with a child, there are few prospects for their housing. And also loans. So who should live well in Russia?
    1. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 20 October 2014 18: 50
      +11
      You won’t believe it, but as if you wrote about Spain.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 20 October 2014 19: 38
        +6
        Quote: Peter Timofeev
        You won’t believe it, but as if you wrote about Spain.


        Believe me, this is not easier.
      2. plebs
        plebs 21 October 2014 02: 34
        +6
        You won’t believe it, but as if you wrote about Spain.
        Could you tell me where in Spain the oil and gas-bearing Siberia and the other North with their precious minerals are? Which by the way for 20 years are sold at a loss.
        1. michell
          michell 21 October 2014 17: 55
          +2
          Quote: plebs
          Could you tell me where in Spain the oil and gas-bearing Siberia and the other North with their precious minerals are? Which by the way for 20 years are sold at a loss.


          And do not tell me in which part of Spain the average annual temperature is below zero? wink
  6. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 20 October 2014 18: 42
    +12
    GDP in general is a very crafty thing. For example: a neighbor and I resell each other a car 10 times and each time the GDP increases by the amount of the cost of this car.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 52
      +3
      It seems that on the page of the Military Review it is time to open lectures on economics. GDP is gross domestic product. In your opinion, if Medvedev sells all the gas to Putin, and then the turnover, then we produce 3 times more gas? When you write something, well, at least to some extent try to understand what GDP is. GDP is not national income.
      1. Userpic
        Userpic 20 October 2014 22: 59
        +1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        In your opinion, if Medvedev sells all gas to Putin, and then the turnover, then we produce 3 times more gas?

        If Medvedev sells gas to Putin for 500 billion, GDP will increase by 500 billion.
        If Putin sells the same gas to Medvedev for the same 500 billion the next day of that year, GDP will increase by another 500 billion, and in aggregate, an increase in GDP of 1 trillion.

        GDP is the market value of all final goods and services, i.e. cumulative TRANSACTION AMOUNT per year.
  7. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 20 October 2014 18: 42
    +6
    GDP - SHMVP, inflation, when will we understand? This is not happiness! Do not you think comrades and of course ladies!)) that all this is purely artificial? Are we being driven into growth, balance? no?
    And it seems to me that all this is bullshit! We have half the planet’s resources and territories, and we ourselves don’t, if we work, we will have the Arab Emirates and Bavaria at the same time, only we’ll have enough for the neighbor and the authorities to shift, we must start with ourselves, as if someone didn’t like it! I think so!
    1. varov14
      varov14 20 October 2014 19: 25
      +5
      I always like - "you have to start with yourself." It's like, even if someone gave the decryption. Either I stand up without standing feet, or I eat something wrong.
      1. Evgen2x
        Evgen2x 20 October 2014 19: 29
        0
        eh buddy)) so this is the whole problem, when everything is clear and chewed on shelves, it’s easy to swallow, but why swallow it?)) svidomye were swallowed, and what?)) I would have known it) and so I'm sorry, we’ll scientific poke method!
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 17
          +2
          Quote: Evgen2x
          svidomye swallowed here, and why?)) I would have known said) and so I'm sorry, we will be the method of scientific poking!

          Generally you, my dear, argued nonsense !!!
          And now you don’t know how to get off ....
    2. DRA-88
      DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 13
      +9
      Quote: Evgen2x
      you need to start with yourself, as if someone did not like it!

      Started with myself a week ago! He got up during the time, washed, did exercises, worked hard, helped neighbors, did not spit in the stairwell, etc. I became an example !!!
      I ask Evgen2x. Did I start with myself correctly or something else?
      But no one appreciated my approximation, gasoline went up by almost a ruble, meat by half a kilo, all products from 15 to 50% !!!
      Maybe I also start with you?
  8. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 20 October 2014 18: 43
    -1
    Heh. Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would not cry.
    Well convinced .... maybe ..... but the growth is almost 3 times. Are you few? Judging by your calculations, you consider it (growth) real.
    Maybe all the same praise the GDP. He deserved it, they themselves confirmed with numbers.
    1. Demetry
      Demetry 20 October 2014 19: 10
      +8
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Maybe all the same praise the GDP. He deserved it, they themselves confirmed with numbers.

      With an increase in oil prices by 5-10 times? Well, praise if you think it's normal.
      PS I think more than a hundred billionaires praise him day and night.
    2. miv110
      miv110 20 October 2014 20: 01
      +12
      It is necessary to look at the root - we are talking about the fact that coupons only shear the powers that be. Nevertheless, they are well aware of the financial gap between top managers and ordinary workers, and therefore, no matter how GDP grows, most crumbs fall from the master's table. The government is turning a blind eye to this, and the people are well aware of this, the critical mass is growing and sooner or later a spark will cause an explosion. This is the question of who will carve this spark and at what moment, who will benefit from it?
      1. vadson
        vadson 20 October 2014 21: 12
        +1
        you +, only you don’t need a revolution, but you need to review the results of the privatization of the predatory, red-haired aspen, and also especially presumptuous, and let small businesses work in the country, the market is huge
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 20 October 2014 23: 00
          +2
          Quote: vadson
          vadson

          If you turn your post the other way around, then it may make sense! And it’s better to divide in general, see
          Quote: vadson
          it’s necessary to review the results of the privatization of predatory, red-haired on an aspen, and still especially presumptuous, and allow small businesses to work in the country,

          Here you openly call for the Revolution !!!, and then write:
          Quote: vadson
          only revolution is not needed

          According to your and eat and sit down lol
          But it doesn’t happen, you’ll decide yes
          1. vadson
            vadson 21 October 2014 00: 19
            0
            let's say this: do you read what the shooter writes? aware of his position on the gdp?
            we need a nationally oriented leader, he is, you won’t deny that the gdp has chosen where to move
            it is necessary to reorient the oligarchs to work in the country and not just pumping money out of Russia at the expense of the oil industry - this is a problem for those who support Putin from the elite are under the pressure of the West, who do not support, grandmas are dragging them from the country. Putin’s task is to return money to the country, our money, to return it from offshore. this is still a problem.
            West does not like the position of the gdp.
            Putin himself will not leave.
            the gdp has the crazy support of the population in the country, and in the world its ordinary citizens, sane, respect.
            if he is removed, there is an attempt, an illness, an accident. then there will definitely be a revolution, the people will not allow to set another humpback or banya over themselves. Yes, and then the hedgehog is definitely not with his team.
            and with today's support of the people, he does not need to be afraid of revolution. but returning sovereignty to the country is simply necessary. he is doing this, only slowly of course, I would like to be faster, but alas, here he holds cards in his hands.
            so there will be no revolution, the gdp will remain in power, it will be possible to return the money from the offshore, you can put a monument to him, no, sad times are waiting for us hard times. those who return under the wing of their homeland will earn and pay taxes, those who do not return will not work and the business in Russia will lose.
            about money, who knows how many grandmothers brought out of Russia over these four centuries? count 100 forever dead lard to get a couple trillion. there is something to fight for. for taxes from these amounts and not for the money itself.
            once again I repeat the revolution to overthrow the gdp will not be, but there is a struggle for the return of sovereignty and money, if we succeed in returning, we will remain in chocolate, 90 will not be waiting for us again, but there is tempering, you can take a chance ...
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 21 October 2014 00: 25
              +3
              Quote: vadson
              I’ll repeat the revolution to overthrow the gdp

              And what was the gdp rating before the elections of the 12th year?
              Quote: vadson
              and there is a struggle for the return of sovereignty and money

              Who is fighting with whom?
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 21 October 2014 00: 51
                +2
                Quote: DRA-88
                Quote: vadson
                I’ll repeat the revolution to overthrow the gdp


                Here is the quintessence of your position
        2. Userpic
          Userpic 20 October 2014 23: 05
          0
          Quote: vadson
          only a revolution is not needed, but it is necessary to review the results of the privatization of the predatory, red-haired on an aspen, and still especially presumptuous
          And this, my dear, is a qualitative breakthrough in the social sphere, that is, a revolution laughing

          and let small businesses work in the country, the market is huge
          What does it mean to repeat perestroika with its cooperation. smile

          You do not study.
      2. DRA-88
        DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: miv110
        This is the question of who will carve this spark and at what moment, who will benefit from it?

        No, have not yet flinched, Do not take off, axes. Sleeping fire by a barrel of gunpowder. Sleeping darling, for the time being
  9. Iline
    Iline 20 October 2014 18: 43
    +9
    I have always been interested in GDP calculations. For example, a country produces the same amount of the same product for the last year and for the current one (for example). But this year, GDP fell by some percentage for unknown reasons. What? less production? So what's up? And here begins an indistinct turbidity about higher matters. The same processes on the stock exchange when trading stocks. Nobody disputes the fact that the exchanges were originally formed for speculation by air, but now everyone is commenting on the change in quotations with a clever look. Well, let's say (simplified) - I need money. I issue shares at a certain par value, do promotion and sell a little more expensive. Then I pretend that things are terribly bad, the shares are falling in price, I buy these shares back with the same money from worthless pieces of paper, put the difference in my pocket and say "thank you all." Oh, there is no one to rein in these financiers - speculators, they have taken a lot of power in this world.
    1. varov14
      varov14 20 October 2014 20: 04
      0
      So maybe, well, his patriotism, you give the world over government, ---- "When we ascend the throne of the world, then all such financial
      izorotov, (gentlemen is very interesting about financial izorotki) as not meeting our interests, will be destroyed
      without a trace how all stock exchanges will be destroyed, so how do we not
      let's sway the prestige of our power by fluctuating prices on our values,
      which we will declare the law at the price of their full value without the possibility
      their decrease or increase. (An increase gives rise to a decline, why
      we started with respect to the values ​​of the goyim).
      We will replace exchanges with traditional treasury credit institutions,
      the purpose of which will be to tax industrial values
      according to government considerations. ----- In the meantime, they are doing everything exactly the opposite, some financial twists and turns, they are liberalizing, and we are buying.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 22: 00
        +1
        A lot of superfluous words, but the idea is communist. So it’s necessary to write what needs to be forced (by force) to transfer the state to the rails of the communist economy, but only with real costs for the production of goods.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 21: 56
      +3
      Speculation with securities and commodities on exchanges is interesting and it is the cost of services, but what does the GDP have to do with it? Exchanges do not create goods.
  10. Revolver
    Revolver 20 October 2014 18: 45
    +5
    Quote: Disraeli, British Prime Minister of the XNUMXth century
    There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies, and statistics.
  11. Svetovod
    Svetovod 20 October 2014 18: 46
    +2
    When there IS NOTHING to brag about, you can brag about transfusion from empty to empty - that is, GDP.

    By the way - all economies work on a global worm. Who this is - it is not known, to whom all countries OWN - it is not clear. And in this series of "developed" (drug addicted) economies, Russia is far behind. What pleases.
    1. soviet skytourist
      soviet skytourist 20 October 2014 19: 48
      -1
      large banks, multinational corporations, etc. all owners have cunning guys using democratic procedures to milk the whole world, lent a ruble at a small percentage return 100 [if you're lucky] [http://politikus.ru/articles/31946-kak-stalin-osvobodil -rubl-ot-dollara
      .html How Stalin freed the ruble from the dollar

      INTRODUCTION

      The Soviet monetary system stood the test of war. Thus, the money supply in Germany during the war years increased 6 times (although the Germans brought goods from all over Europe and a large part of the USSR); in Italy - 10 times; in Japan - 11 times. In the USSR, the money supply during the war years increased only ........] http://politikus.ru/articles/31946-kak-stalin-osvobodil-rubl-ot-dollar
      a.html
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 22: 03
        +2
        Yes, the Lord is with you, what are you writing? The Soviet monetary system experienced during the war and after the terrible inflation. Compare you the cost and salaries in the USSR before and after the war. Look on the Internet, do not be lazy.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 October 2014 18: 47
    +7
    And this is at a rather high price for energy. what will happen if prices go down.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 22: 06
      +2
      But nothing will happen. The incomes of Medvedev and Putin and their associates-oligarchs will decrease. The country's budget will not suffer from this.
  13. Zeus
    Zeus 20 October 2014 18: 48
    -2
    We get an increase of 8% in 75 years. That is ~ 9,3% annual growth. In my opinion, not bad.
    1. Demetry
      Demetry 20 October 2014 20: 17
      +3
      Quote: Zeus
      We get an increase of 8% in 75 years. That is ~ 9,3% annual growth. In my opinion, not bad.

      Well, firstly, if over 8 years, then the growth is not 9.3% but 7.2% wink do not believe count.
      And secondly, the article talks about 14 years from 2000 to 2013 (apparently inclusive).
      But 75% growth over 14 years is already just 4.1%

      So everything is not as it seems wink
    2. DRA-88
      DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 22
      0
      Quote: Zeus
      We get an increase of 8% in 75 years. That is ~ 9,3% annual growth. In my opinion, not bad.

      With the same inflation ...
  14. Vadim525
    Vadim525 20 October 2014 18: 49
    +7
    How do I go out to smoke on the balcony, look at the cars in the yard (a foreign car on a foreign car) I understand right away - we are living worse and worse))
    1. sledgehammer
      sledgehammer 20 October 2014 21: 36
      0
      Yes, it’s useless to say it already. There are probably a lot of those on the branch who lived better in the 90s, and now they are collecting color from the garbage cans of bottles.
      This one hundred pounds author has a quality repair in an apartment or a cottage and a decent foreign car + income of 50-100 thousand rubles a month.
      such articles are not written by those who earn 10-15 thousand, they do not have time to do it, but write such articles in a comfortable chair on a macabook for 40-50 pieces smoking a parliament near the fireplace.
      wait a year before the election of such statics here and not only there will be a dime a dozen, everyone will wash their bones, and Putin and Sobyanin, and even Rogozin and Shoigu, will start looking for daughters and billions. so it will be here you will see. before the 2011-12 elections it was just that.
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 20 October 2014 23: 30
        +4
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        sledgehammer

        You are burning !!! laughing
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        there are a lot of those on the branch who lived better in the 90s, and now they collect color from the garbage cans

        Life is a striped thing! Do not promise....
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        high-quality repair in the apartment

        Quote: Sledgehammer
        a decent foreign car + income of 50-100 thousand rubles a month.

        Quote: Sledgehammer
        smoking parliament

        And this is your measure of happiness?
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        all the bones will be washed, and Putin and Sobyanin, and even Rogozin and Shoigu, will start looking for daughters and billions

        And this, apparently, all your ideals?
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        trolls hirelings already pass
        internship

        Put everything upside down on the stray urrryakalok (you have six aces in the deck) laughing
      2. Userpic
        Userpic 21 October 2014 00: 19
        +2
        Quote: Sledgehammer
        trolls hirelings already undergo internship
  15. Dimy4
    Dimy4 20 October 2014 18: 50
    +1
    The abbreviations are around, well, the GDP is understandable, but I just know the teaching staff of the Patrol Service. Not an economist ever.
    1. Demetry
      Demetry 20 October 2014 19: 19
      +8
      Quote: Dimy4
      PPP

      Type of Purchasing Power Parity.
      Now it is poked by everyone who is not lazy wherever they can shove it. (This is not about this article but in general)

      If in a nutshell then so. There is a country of Luxembourg, where per person GDP is 1 Euros. And there is a country of Bangladesh, where the same real-real Euros for 50 person are only 000.
      But this does not mean that the Bangladeshi lives 100 times worse than the Luxembourger. Why? Because potato in Bangladesh is 5 times cheaper, housing is sloppy but 10 times cheaper, etc.

      As a result, if the Luxembourger lives per year on GDP (normal) of 50 Euros in his Luxembourg, then the same Bangladeshi can just as richly live in his Bangladeshi all (well, for example) for 000 Euros.

      As a result, according to the nominal value of Luxembourg's GDP = 50 * the number of citizens and Bangladesh's GDP = 000 * the number of citizens.
      But according to the teaching staff, Luxembourg has the same = 50 * number of citizens, while Bangladesh already has = 000 * the number of citizens.

      As a result, the difference between them is not 100 times but only 5 times.

      But this is a specific thing, and to stick it in all the calculations (as many do) is NOT !!! Because if Bangladesh or Luxembourg wants to buy a tanker in China, it will be released to them ONE PRICE. And the Chinese will not care about their PPSnu.

      But when calculating the internal standard of living, the indicator is quite working.
      1. Owl27
        Owl27 20 October 2014 20: 10
        +3
        Thank you, very informative comment! good
  16. HF
    HF 20 October 2014 18: 51
    -1
    Do not understand the urge of the article? winked
    Che, again, all sucks? Yes, you go to the z.o.p.u. whiners! am
    1. HF
      HF 20 October 2014 19: 37
      +2
      Minusovalschiki, you at least designate your position, otherwise it is not clear what you want to read! laughing
    2. Normal
      Normal 20 October 2014 19: 55
      +6
      Quote: KV
      Do not understand the urge of the article?

      Reread.

      Quote: KV
      Che, again, all sucks?

      They didn't understand exactly. Not "again, everything sucks" But it still sucks, despite the pro-government propaganda about the unprecedented growth in the reign of PeZhe.

      Quote: KV
      Yes, you go to the z.o.p.u. whiners!

      And the same to you, fooling.
      1. HF
        HF 20 October 2014 20: 12
        -2
        I looked hooked. I look forward to the crying of Yaroslavna. laughing
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 26
          +5
          Quote: KV
          I looked hooked. I look forward to the crying of Yaroslavna.

          Tell us your version, we will listen yes
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      3. sledgehammer
        sledgehammer 20 October 2014 21: 40
        +2
        Quote: Normal
        And the same to you, fooling.

        and to you from us.

        1. Cenij150814
          Cenij150814 20 October 2014 21: 47
          +2
          Put a plus, the guy is telling the truth laughing
        2. Normal
          Normal 20 October 2014 22: 08
          +2
          Quote: Sledgehammer
          and to you from us.


          How old are you, Bartholomew?
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 20 October 2014 22: 16
            +2
            Quote: Normal
            How old are you, Bartholomew?

            Young ishsho, hot ... (hereinafter referred to as the saying) laughing
  17. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 20 October 2014 18: 54
    +1
    "This is what Mr. PeZhe (s) has brought the country to"
    Like, do we need Mr. HoDo, Nava, Nemtso, or some other kind of liberal-swamp dregs?
    1. Normal
      Normal 20 October 2014 19: 59
      -2
      Quote: Tim Coconuts
      Like, do we need Mr. HoDo, Nava, Nemtso, or some other kind of liberal-swamp dregs?


      Maidan! Maidan !! Maid-a-ah-ah !!!
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 20 October 2014 20: 15
        -2
        Why the man was mined not to understand winked after all, he is just "stiffening" over individuals who have two options, either to drown themselves, or to hang themselves, there is no option to live with them!
        1. Owl27
          Owl27 20 October 2014 20: 22
          +1
          Himself over something ?? !!!
          1. Cenij150814
            Cenij150814 20 October 2014 20: 37
            0
            Quote: Owl27
            Himself over something ?? !!!

            Well, why, I specifically read a dozen or so comments of the citizen "Normal", the diagnosis "STABILITY OF THE PRIMARY WAR" is not visible, so my answer isno!!
          2. DRA-88
            DRA-88 20 October 2014 20: 42
            +6
            Quote: Owl27
            Himself over something ?? !!!

            Do you still passionately love VeVePe?
  18. BB14
    BB14 20 October 2014 18: 55
    +10
    Quote: Vadim525
    How do I go out to smoke on the balcony, look at the cars in the yard (a foreign car on a foreign car) I understand right away - we are living worse and worse))


    Such reasoning touches me) Go to the website of the bailiffs of your region, there, as a rule, the data on the physical debt are laid out. persons in front of banks, those that already have bailiffs in the performance! Someone else is trying to pay and is not yet included in this multi-billion dollar statistics. And cars were sucked on by suckers and suckers on credit so that later they would also sell gasoline in the oil-producing country at exorbitant prices.
    1. Evgen2x
      Evgen2x 20 October 2014 19: 32
      -1
      Well, then it is, but! not all smart! and the state exists for that (in an ideal world)))) so as not to make smart people smarter and more secure.
    2. HF
      HF 20 October 2014 20: 02
      -1
      Can you contain the official website of the FSSP? And are you an employee of ROSNEFT? In any case, the tongue must be kept behind the teeth.
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  20. lamad
    lamad 20 October 2014 18: 59
    +4
    How many cops and warriors received in 2000? and what time is it taking into account inflation. How many were unemployed in 2000, how many people were employed in industry, high technology. As far as I remember, in 2000 everyone was engaged in shuttle business and roofing.
  21. Denis fj
    Denis fj 20 October 2014 19: 01
    +14
    I explain it this way:

    You, dear reader, are very used to thinking that Russia's GDP has grown ten or twenty times. You have been accustomed to this thought. This is a good, pleasant thought. This idea is confirmed by the Olympics, the victorious reports of our government, beautiful cars on the streets and many others. And when I wrote that the growth is “only” 1.75 times in the whole 14 years, what arose usually called “template break”.

    Olympics - wow! And the author writes about the miserable 1.75 times ...
    Cars on the street - the sea, and here - 1.75 times ...
    We live better every year, but here - 1.75 times ...

    Something wrong!

    Not otherwise the author is manipulating! Not otherwise the author of these ...

    So you thought, dear reader?

    And you think differently. There is no catastrophe in the growth of GDP by 1.75 times. When there will be a disaster, I will tell you. And the fact that the indicated GDP growth does not correspond to the sensations - so you just need to figure it out. Easy to brush off. You have to understand where the trick is. After all, somewhere we are being deceived, aren't they? Or not?

    Are you not being fooled? All in a bunch?

    Well and good!

    Sleep well, dear reader, tomorrow we will neigh over the Ukrainians.
    Here they are, eccentrics, with their help
    1. Evgeniy.
      Evgeniy. 20 October 2014 19: 08
      +1
      climb from your bell tower "dear reader" hmm
    2. SHILO
      20 October 2014 19: 13
      +3
      Quote: denis fj
      Sleep well, dear reader, tomorrow we will neigh over the Khokhlov. Here they are interposed, eccentrics, with their help


      I look, we read one page wink Sorry but the article I do not care, dear reader! VO did not want to exhibit. A cool article.
    3. DRA-88
      DRA-88 20 October 2014 21: 42
      +7
      Quote: denis fj
      Not otherwise the author is manipulating! Not otherwise the author of these ...

      Normal article and the author +

      And on urrryayakalok 9th today is good urrrya, tomorrow they will begin to howl a little worse), forget it !!!
  22. Evgeniy.
    Evgeniy. 20 October 2014 19: 06
    +2
    Xs, in 2000 I hardly gained 20 rubles for lunch (I don’t remember exactly how much, although I’ve probably 20 rubles, 10 rubles a bun was worth)
  23. timhelmet
    timhelmet 20 October 2014 19: 18
    -2
    "That is, all or almost all of the GDP growth is accounted for by wealthy citizens, residents of Moscow, St. Petersburg and several other megacities, as well as employees of banks, large corporations and officials."

    So I found the essence of this stuffing.
    The author, as BE, hints: isn't it time for the "peasants" to think and take a moment?

    The minus article is bold.
    State corporations are moving to domestic cars, things are going.
    Author, do not stir up the water! Especially if you do not know any X-RENA!
    My income has tripled over the years. I am a state employee. I live in the village "up to a million". And everything is not the way you crucify there.

    PS. And the Cossack is mishandled ...
    1. engineer31
      engineer31 20 October 2014 22: 21
      +3
      You carefully read about domestic cars ... and then talk.
    2. michell
      michell 21 October 2014 18: 17
      0
      Quote: timhelmet
      My income has tripled over the years. I am a state employee. I live in the village "up to a million". And everything is not the way you crucify there.


      From this place in more detail, please.
      What kind of state employee are you - an employee of the prosecutor's office, a judge, a policeman? Or a paramedic on the ambulance? Have you worked all fifteen years in one position, or have you grown from secretary of the court session to deputy chairman of the court in fifteen years? wink Or continue to run around with apartments in a suitcase?
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  24. Flinky
    Flinky 20 October 2014 19: 19
    -1
    The couple is already the second article from the same author with a nag.
    Let it be known to him that real GDP in the countries of the collective West does not grow at all, and for its growth there are rapidly growing debts and probable figures like "if grandma had a hell, she would be a grandfather."
    Minus.
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 21 October 2014 00: 08
      +4
      Quote: Flinky
      "if my grandmother had a hell, she would be a grandfather."

      Will you carry this mantra through life now?
      And you can repeat it the other way around laughing

      That’s a paradox: From People alone there remained multivolume works, a powerful economy and great Victories !!!
      And from others there will be: "she drowned", "wet in the toilet", "grandmother and grandfather" and heaps of shit !!!

      Threat A lot of stench, a bunch of flies - it's dead "Winnie the Pooh"
      No puffs, no nozzles, just a mountain of rotten sawdust ..
      sadness
  25. Second
    Second 20 October 2014 19: 20
    +9
    What happened to us, to our people, to our country? Why did we let these parasites do what they did ...
    1. assam4
      assam4 20 October 2014 19: 42
      +5
      Chubais talks about the true goals of privatization. That's where the real traitor is.
      1. soviet skytourist
        soviet skytourist 20 October 2014 20: 08
        +3
        Chubas a sick follower of Trotsky's ideas
  26. m13urah1
    m13urah1 20 October 2014 19: 20
    +2
    I may have missed something, but according to official statements, we can’t double the GDP in any way. What dozens of times does the author talk about?
  27. Horst78
    Horst78 20 October 2014 19: 25
    -1
    The article contains manipulations with "incomprehensible" numbers. What is the article about?
  28. MEDVED
    MEDVED 20 October 2014 19: 28
    0
    about 1913 he whistled artistically ... Either he doesn’t know history, or intentionally ..
  29. Evgeny59
    Evgeny59 20 October 2014 19: 33
    +8
    In my opinion, everything is correct. For example, my mother’s pension has more than doubled since the beginning of the 10s, i.e. from 17 to 8 thousand. And yet, if you move a little further away from the regional center, you can easily find salaries of some people in the amount of 10 - XNUMX thousand rubles, and this is at large enterprises.
  30. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 20 October 2014 19: 33
    +3
    It's like with a "truce": while the audience was watching TV, the privatizers dug in and integrated into Western systems.
  31. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 October 2014 19: 35
    0
    If household incomes are growing, but not falling, albeit 1.3 times, is that kind of good, or I don’t understand something?
    1. Steel loli
      Steel loli 21 October 2014 00: 51
      +6
      Well, let's say incomes in some other countries have grown 6-8 times over the same period, and at the same time there was no huge sale of natural resources and privatization just for "foreign exchange investments."
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 21 October 2014 00: 55
        +5
        Quote: Steel Loli
        Steel loli

        I agree with you!
        But let me clarify.
        1) the Russian Federation does not sell resources, but gives them away, because money for the sale remains with the buyer, as subsidies for his economy!
        2)
        Quote: Steel Loli
        revenues in some other countries grew 6-8 times over the same period

        It follows from item 1)
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  32. Mik-51
    Mik-51 20 October 2014 19: 42
    -3
    How do we groaning along with the Nemtsov-Kasparov pack ...
    I constantly travel near the Seversky Pipe Mill.
    In 1999, there was a pair of cars at the main passageway, and not only cars at the passageway, there were no parking lots.
    I went today ...
    Yes, shitty live:
    - the main entrance (the parking lot of the city market is in the same place) - to put the car in a place where everything is full of workers' cars is somewhere around a hundred;
    - a checkpoint from the reservoir - on both sides of the road for 500-600 meters - parking lots are completely clogged;
    a checkpoint near the plant office - dozens of cars.
    And basically - not frail foreign cars.
    On the edge of Polevsky, STK built a large cottage village for its workers - it is a pleasure to look.
    This is how the workers of the plant live "shitty-shitty" ...
    It is necessary to moan less, work more and better.
    Do not eat vodka and again - DO NOT MOAN ...

    And by the way, GDP itself wink said that GDP smile has grown not ten times, namely - doubled !!
    The article is a fat minus.
  33. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 20 October 2014 19: 56
    +3
    http://www.kpe.ru/sobytiya-i-mneniya/ocenka-sostavlyayuschih-jizni-obschestva/is
    toriya-kultura / 5135-the-truth-about-stalin How Stalin freed the ruble from the dollar

    INTRODUCTION

    The Soviet monetary system stood the test of war. Thus, the money supply in Germany increased by 6 times during the war years (although the Germans brought goods to themselves from all over Europe and a large part of the USSR); in Italy - 10 times; in Japan - 11 times. In the USSR, the money supply during the war years increased only 3,8 times.



    However, the Great Patriotic War gave rise to a number of negative phenomena that needed to be eliminated.

    Firstly, there is a mismatch between the amount of money and the needs of trade. There was a surplus of money.

    Secondly, several types of prices have appeared - rations, commercial and market. This undermined the importance of cash wages and cash incomes of collective farmers by workdays.

    Thirdly, large sums of money settled with speculators. Moreover, the difference in prices still gave them the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of the population. This undermined social justice in the country.

    Immediately after the end of the war, the state conducted a series of measures aimed at strengthening the monetary system and increasing the welfare of the population. The consumer demand of the population increased by increasing payroll funds and reducing payments to the financial system. So, from August 1945, began to abolish the military tax on workers and employees. The tax was finally abolished at the beginning of 1946. They didn’t spend more money-lottery lots and reduced the size of the subscription to the new government loan. In the spring of 1946, savings banks began to pay workers and employees compensation for unused vacations during the war. Post-war industrial restructuring began. There was some growth in the commodity fund due to the restructuring of the industry and by reducing the consumption of armed forces and the implementation of trophies. For the withdrawal of money from circulation continued the expansion of commercial trade. In 1946, the commercial trade acquired a rather wide scope: a wide network of shops and restaurants was created, the range of goods was expanded and their price was reduced. The end of the war led to a fall in prices on collective farm markets (by more than a third).

    However, by the end of 1946, the negative phenomena were not completely eliminated. Therefore, the course on monetary reform has been maintained. In addition, the release of new money and the exchange of old money for new was necessary in order to eliminate the money that went abroad and improve the quality of banknotes ............
  34. lotar
    lotar 20 October 2014 20: 09
    -6
    In my opinion, complaining that you do not have money or that you all so wise of yourself could not join the stream of successful people, the number of which is less than successful, at least in vain. As a person who cannot control his own mind and to achieve his goals he expects, like most people who have grown up in the USSR only to the state. And in modern times, when almost any information can be obtained from the Internet and begin to develop as you like, in most cases it speaks of a simple want of something to do and to achieve.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2014 22: 22
      +5
      Making money is not life. But to work and do things is a normal life. The one who makes money on the dissent of others is a drone, he does not work, he does not produce anything. If all citizens of the country become these drones-speculators, then what will they be - MONEY or what? These are not smart people - they’re nonsense tearing apart the country's economy.
  35. Userpic
    Userpic 20 October 2014 20: 33
    +1
    Median per capita income is the average income level that divides the population into 2 equal parts (50% each).

    Modal per capita income is the level of income that occurs most frequently.
  36. Nychego
    Nychego 20 October 2014 20: 45
    +3
    A purely stating article.
    However, today the people are invited to suffer again in exchange for the hope of a bright tomorrow.
    And let everyone make their choice "to endure - not to endure", if possible not forgetting why "the son of a colonel will never become a general."
  37. Password
    Password 20 October 2014 21: 13
    +6
    ... about GDP

    The law of communicating vessels: if in one place it arrived (billionaires), then in another it went off (plebs).
  38. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 October 2014 21: 36
    +5
    It is disgusting to look at a red monkey. He calls himself a fighter against communism. And who and where raised him, gave him an education, etc. Everywhere that he did not undertake, he ruined everything. Ghoul! How does the earth carry people like him? Where is nanotechnology, why is he not called to account for the collapse of the energy system? These are exactly what are called the "fifth column"!
    1. Userpic
      Userpic 20 October 2014 23: 23
      +2
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      It's disgusting to look at a red monkey

      1. studentmati
        studentmati 20 October 2014 23: 36
        +2
        Quote: Userpic
        Quote: polkovnik manuch
        It's disgusting to look at a red monkey





        And what to minus righteous comment? The man reveals the cards, it's great!
  39. UralMan
    UralMan 20 October 2014 21: 45
    +3
    What happened to us, to our people, to our country? Why did we let these parasites do what they did ...

    And with us absolutely nothing happened or happened.
    As we were nobody, we remained that.
    It is unlikely that they will listen to us upstairs.
    Are we the owners of our country?
    The state is the owner of everything and those who are at the helm.
    And the people are an instrument of manipulation, an instrument of production attached to the state ... etc. etc.
    We are not in the share in the distribution of GDP.

    You can talk for a long time on this topic.
    Nothing can be changed until the person is dependent on anything. The very protection of the individual, that’s what the criterion is in the independence of human existence.
    How will this happen and when? Question.

    In the meantime, it’s better not to puzzle over this.
    There will be no answer - especially now.
    It's too early ....
    1. Second
      Second 20 October 2014 23: 23
      +9
      Quote: UralChel
      And with us absolutely nothing happened or happened.
      As we were nobody, we remained that.

      No, buddy, it happened.
      We really lost our soul.
      We look indifferently at fagots, and yet every fagot is a pedophile in the future. We look indifferently at homeless people, we indifferently look at Russian girls who became prostitutes. We are used to the oligarchs, many even like them. We calmly watch how our compatriots are being killed, and we even came up with an excuse for not getting effective military assistance. When women and children were destroyed in Slavyansk, and the authorities kept deathly silence, we justified it. Many are ready to kiss dictators in the ass from morning to evening ...
      You can write a lot of things. But this is a real edge. And now everyone is making a choice. To be him a citizen of a great country or cattle at the oligarchy.
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 20 October 2014 23: 34
        +8
        Quote: Second
        And now everyone is making a choice. To be him a citizen of a great country or cattle at the oligarchy.

        Your golden words !!! +100500
    2. Userpic
      Userpic 20 October 2014 23: 25
      +5
      Quote: UralChel
      What happened to us, to our people, to our country? Why did we let these parasites do what they did ...
      1. Kindof
        Kindof 22 October 2014 12: 04
        0
        Good poems! And who is the author?
  40. Mastercat
    Mastercat 20 October 2014 21: 46
    0
    Quote: mik-51
    How do we groaning along with the Nemtsov-Kasparov pack ...
    I constantly travel near the Seversky Pipe Mill.
    In 1999, there was a pair of cars at the main passageway, and not only cars at the passageway, there were no parking lots.
    I went today ...

    The article is a fat minus.

    and don’t say we live disgustingly, there’s nowhere to park a car. I have three neighbors, 5 cars for three. If I’m going to N-sk from the village, then an hour or even two in traffic is guaranteed. Horror, not life.
    Above, it was correctly noted about the time to start working. We turn our eyes to the bottom of the browser page. What is there? A scam about a meter and gasoline? How not to pay and not work? The record is however. So there is a demand for "freebies", read "unwillingness to work." It's clear that Putin is to blame. Our income should grow regardless of us, but how could it be otherwise?
    1. Userpic
      Userpic 20 October 2014 23: 30
      +1
      Quote: MasterCat
      I have three neighbors, 5 cars for three
  41. Ramzess
    Ramzess 20 October 2014 21: 49
    -1
    article minus, the game in numbers without specifying details.
  42. UralMan
    UralMan 20 October 2014 21: 54
    0
    Quote: Nychego
    "a colonel's son will never become a general."

    ... and how to say it is ALL CASE ...
    FORTUNE ... AND HEDGE LUCK WITH HIM ...
  43. bmv04636
    bmv04636 20 October 2014 22: 13
    0
    Indicator one peep out the window everywhere cars. I’m going to work from work (we have a city of 700 thousand people), a string of cars is the turn. That’s the whole story.
  44. 31rus
    31rus 20 October 2014 22: 15
    0
    Nonsense! Just count how many hospitals, schools, kindergartens and ritual offices have opened in your city or town, demand creates offers, how scary it is even to write here my calculation for you
    1. Normal
      Normal 20 October 2014 23: 10
      +4
      Quote: 31rus
      Bullshit! Just count how many hospitals have opened in your city or town

      Shock therapy: which hospitals plan to close in Moscow

      The reorganization of the Moscow healthcare system will result in the liquidation of a number of hospitals and maternity hospitals. The schedule of the city authorities is published on the website rusmedserver.com. It follows from the document that employees of 28 institutions, including 15 hospitals, will be dismissed and the premises freed.
      The authenticity of the RBC document was confirmed by a source close to the Moscow government, and a source in one of the liquidated hospitals. This plan is the result of research ordered by the Moscow government, vice mayor Leonid Pechatnikov told some media outlets. “We did not want to publish this because we cried quietly in our offices. But since this has spilled over into public space, now we will cry all together, ”he said .....
      .............

      top.rbc.ru/economics/16/10/2014/543fbb03cbb20f0c89b363b7
    2. Userpic
      Userpic 21 October 2014 00: 25
      +1
      Quote: 31rus
      Bullshit! Just count how many hospitals have opened in your city or town
    3. Userpic
      Userpic 21 October 2014 00: 29
      +1
      Quote: 31rus
      Bullshit! Just count how many kindergartens have opened in your city or town
  45. faterdom
    faterdom 20 October 2014 22: 16
    +3
    No need to believe in unrealistic tales, and no one will eventually cheat you!
    And such a subtly hinting article ... resembles an attempt to re-form a herd of "dedicated" rams who will have to destroy their country. Freemasons, damn it: "Have you read the last thing by Solzhenitsyn?" "Oh, how Boris is right!"
  46. mervino2007
    mervino2007 20 October 2014 22: 23
    +2
    Quote: siberalt
    How can we get our accumulative fund from pi8ndos at once? Yes, they won't even give it back in parts.


    Yes, our accumulation fund cannot be taken out of AI. And it seems that he, like a string, does not allow you to get far from the "owner" ...
  47. Mastercat
    Mastercat 20 October 2014 22: 24
    0
    Quote: 31rus
    Nonsense! Just count how many hospitals, schools, kindergartens and ritual offices have opened in your city or town, demand creates offers, how scary it is even to write here my calculation for you

    I think: over the past 4 years, 2 kindergartens, a pigsty, another kindergarten is being completed, already on 3 floors, at least two dozen new houses are being built, municipal housing is several three-story houses (they are being relocated from shabby) well, and the little things ...
    modestly, well, so the village is.
  48. melkar
    melkar 20 October 2014 23: 06
    -1
    He himself came up with a myth and scattered it and all in order to throw a little on the fan, only ordinary people are at least 1,75 times smarter than the author of this article and are able to divide 75 by 13 years and get a very tolerable GDP growth of 5,7, XNUMX% What did the author reveal to us here?
    1. Demetry
      Demetry 20 October 2014 23: 31
      +2
      Quote: melkar
      ordinary people are at least 1,75 times smarter than the author of this article and are able to divide 75 by 13 years and get a very tolerable GDP growth of 5,7%. What did the author reveal to us here?

      An ordinary person, the first conversation was about 14 years. The year 2000 of the beginning of the reign was also included. Well, and secondly, the average annual growth is not 5.7 but 4.1 percent. For our condition, this is not very much. Or rather, not at all.

      Calculator to help)))
  49. Ruslan05dg
    Ruslan05dg 20 October 2014 23: 16
    +4
    Yes, there is no doubt that the state has become rich, schools, kindergartens, beaches are being built but what’s the trouble, In Dagestan, pensioners live better than some young people, there’s just no normal job, to get a job the policemen need to give about 400 rubles just to get a job, everyone who can save money for years to make a fake pension, that's how we live in Dagestan.
  50. Fast
    Fast 20 October 2014 23: 40
    +4
    About retirement, complete nonsense has been written, I advise the author to conduct an experiment, to live a month for 6 thousand with payment of a communal apartment, now some have breakfast with this money. Almost every pensioner I know is a beggar, how lonely God knows how loners live to the next shepherds! The accrual system is monstrous! To the authorities on the drum!
    We have (2014) http://bs-life.ru/rabota/pensiya/minimalnaya-pensiya2014.html
    In Eastern Europe http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/620026/
    In Western Europe http://anton-dashkin.livejournal.com/198425.html
    It concerns everyone.
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