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Split


Recently it has become difficult to write about Russian politics. And about the economy too. It has always been difficult, but now doubly difficult.

The reason is in Ukraine.

Society is highly polarized. Russian society.

It would seem that we, on the contrary, should have rallied under the influence of an external threat in the person of the West, which carried out the political seizure of Ukraine and provoked a war on historical Russian land with the participation of Russians and Ukrainians.

Against this threat, we must stand together.

But ...

There is a split.

The split occurs at once on several issues. Should Russia intervene in the situation, should it fight for Novorossia or for the whole of Ukraine, by what means do it, enter or not. And in the end, the main question - merged or not merged ...

To intervene or not?

Some believe that Russia should participate in the solution of the Ukrainian question. Because many Russians live there. And the Ukrainians themselves are not all supported Maidan. And also because Russia needs order in the border area. And also because there are Russian interests there, in particular the gas pipe. Arguments and their order may vary, only a part is shown here.

Others believe that the residents of Ukraine 23 voted for independence a year ago and now have to solve all the issues themselves. If you help - still will not thank. Extra care. Excess burden. It comes to the point that even Russians on the territory of Ukraine are called “unreal”. Very controversial statement, but it is.

New Russia or Ukraine?

Some believe that the creation of Novorossia as a Russian national state should be supported, and Ukraine should be released on all four sides. Rather send. To go to Europe, if you accept, to live as you like, with Bandera and gay parades, if they of course get along with each other.

Others consider that it is necessary to take Ukraine entirely. Not everyone knows how to do this, even approximately, but at a fundamental level there is such an opinion.

To enter or not to enter.

The question has somewhat lost relevance after the August offensive of the militias. Now there are enough local fighters without Russian troops. However, in spite of everything, time after time appeals to support Novorossia lead to long disputes about whether or not to introduce.

A variety of such disputes - whether or not Russian troops fought in the Donbass, whether they participated in the August offensive or not.

Who was the Strelkov.

This is another topic of controversy, where some argue that Strelkov was an agent of the Kremlin, while others argue that he acted in the interests of other forces. Strelkov’s exit from Slavyansk and his subsequent resignation is another subject of controversy.

Leaked or not leaked.

This is the main and most pressing issue. And many of the disputes listed above somehow lead to it.

The dispute is divided into two aspects:

1. Should Russia sacrifice its interests, spoil relations with the West, risk military personnel, spend money, and so on, on Ukraine, Novorossia and its interests there. Sometimes it denotes the dilemma "140 of millions of Russian citizens against 7 of millions of Donbass residents". In this aspect, supporters of the option "should not" adhere to the opinion that "if merged, it means it is necessary" and thus try to close the question.

2. Do the Russian authorities and in particular the President act correctly? In this aspect, the most heated dispute. Here, any arguments are used, and when they end, conjectures are introduced into the dispute, such as the “cunning plan”, which can neither be confirmed nor disproved by any arguments, because they are based only on faith. There are holivary in the truest sense of the dispute. Sacred wars, in which everything is given to the faithful and the unfaithful, believers in the BCP and heretics.

Disputes about Ukraine and the actions of the Russian authorities to address the crisis actually result in a dispute about the trust of the Russian authorities and the President. That is why they cause such a sharp controversy.

The question “leaked or not leaked” is actually a question of trust.

The answer “merged” essentially leads to the conclusion “but the president is not ours after all” or to a more moderate variant “and the president is no longer the same”. By and large, this is a vote of no confidence. Popular impeachment.

The answer is "not leaked" - on the contrary, a vote of confidence. Let it work further. No need to interfere. The President knows best. He has a plan.

Compromises are almost impossible here. Everyone takes one of the parties and is ready to argue to the bitter end. With and without arguments. As already mentioned, reaching a cunning plan, the dispute about which turns into a holivar between believers and heretics and does not end with anything.

And this controversy has lately been kept in mind. Even those who are not involved in the verbal battles, but just from the side watching them.

Perhaps that is why any question about Russian politics and economics is caused by the same sharp holivars as the debate on the subject of "leaked or not leaked". Because any topic of the dispute - economic growth, debt, inflation, corruption - anything, causes background issues -

So still merged or not merged?
Our president or not ours?
For the Russian or for what?

Leaked or not leaked Novorossia?
Has it merged or not merged Ukraine?
Has it merged or not merged Russia?

There is a dispute over the issue whose interests the president is protecting.

Who is he - a defender or a traitor, a liberal or a patriot.

And considering that the question of Ukraine and Novorossia is for many a strategic question, a question of protecting national interests, a question of protecting Russians and Russia - the answer is “not ours” means that the president needs to be changed. And the answer "our" means to leave and protect from attacks.

And in a dispute on such an important issue, at a historical moment for the country - figuratively speaking, all words are good.

But the main thing is different.

Russian society is highly polarized. Divided into two camps. And the reason is in Ukraine. This means that Washington has already completed the minimum program.

American political consultants know their business, it must be admitted. They split Russians and Ukrainians. They split society within Russia.

And now only the president himself can eliminate this split. Because on the Internet or in the kitchens, we do not agree on anything. Any arguments will lead to a dispute "merged or not merged" and further to the theory of the cunning plan and holivar, going to infinity.

Only the president with his decisive actions in Ukraine, the resolute support of Novorossia can prove that "no, he did not merge."

But if New Russia is still not needed, if Ukraine should remain united and indivisible and controlled by Washington, only the president can explain why Russia needs it and why everything is being done that way.

But he does not explain.

So far, the last policy statement was his speech after the annexation of the Crimea, where they spoke about the largest divided people and support of the Russians in Ukraine. The president promised to use all his forces and means if someone dares to fire at the Russians, if lawlessness is allowed.

But the chaos was allowed, and no action followed.

This means that while the president does not eliminate, but only maintains a split.

The source of the split is the discrepancy between the apparent development of the situation in Ukraine and Novorossia with the expectations of the people and with the words of the president himself, said in March after the annexation of the Crimea.

And here it should be recalled that in the summer, one day, it was announced that the president had an unplanned address to the nation. If I remember correctly, it was planned on 20: 30. An order to reserve airtime was sent to the state television channels. But ... the appeal was canceled.

What was the president going to say that day?

Maybe then it was planned to give an answer to this question - will Novorossia be supported or not, and if it will not, then why ... will Russia enter into confrontation with the West and look for its way or will it continue to try to integrate into the Anglo-Saxon global system? ...

Why was the appeal delayed?

Something has changed? What way has it changed?

Some time after the failed appeal to the nation in the Donbass, the offensive began and everyone forgot about the canceled appeal. And then a truce was concluded. And everyone forgot about the abolition of treatment even stronger.

August offensive - what was it?

Creating a springboard for the next, larger offensive or for retreat? Preparing positions to move forward or cover for retreat?

In words or actions, but the president should explain this. And the sooner the better. Because his silence and the lack of decisive actions give rise to cunning theories, unprovable, leading to the "believe - disbelieve" dilemma, generating holivars and deepening the split.

And the split is what Washington needs.

And in order to preserve the unity and cohesion of society, this split must be eliminated. And only the president himself can eliminate it, by giving words or actions by giving an unequivocal answer to a controversial question.
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  1. +28
    20 October 2014 14: 17
    The split in Russia may be the people and the fifth liberal column, which sits in power. People still tolerate it, but for now.
    1. +21
      20 October 2014 14: 25
      When politics becomes firm and distinct, then the differences will disappear by themselves!
    2. +9
      20 October 2014 14: 29
      The focus of the Maydaunism virus is located in Galicia, isolating it earlier, it would be possible to avoid a split and bloodshed in Ukraine.
      1. +5
        20 October 2014 16: 41
        Galicia, this gangrenous center of infection, did not need to be attached to Ukraine (more precisely, to the USSR). And if they did, it was worth ruthlessly cleaning, cauterizing and cutting off necrotic tissues. And this was not done to the end, regretted Svidomo Bandera monsters, missed the situation and time. Now all that remains is to agree to hand it over to the "protectorate" of Poland, Hungary and Romania. They will quickly put things in order there! With an iron hand. The hypocritical West will applaud this process! For the Russian World, Galicia is forever lost. This must be admitted and it's time to come to terms with it. The fate of the mankurt is terrible, but this is their historical choice ...
        1. +6
          20 October 2014 17: 25
          Quote: Naum
          Galicia, this gangrenous focus of infection, did not need to be attached to Ukraine (more precisely, to the USSR).

          And Comrade Stalin thought it was necessary. Don't you consider yourself smarter than Stalin?
          Quote: Naum
          And if they attached it, it was worth ruthlessly stripping, cauterizing and cutting off necrotic tissue. And they did not do this to the end, they regretted Svidomo Bandera freaks, they missed the situation and time.
          And here I agree with you. Oh, how inopportunely the "tower" was canceled in 1947. Bandera's men were tenacious, they served their 25th and returned. Some did not even serve that, fell under the Khrushchev amnesty in 1955. But it was necessary to continue to hang in accordance with the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR No. 39 of April 19, 1943.
          1. +3
            20 October 2014 18: 01
            Quote: Nagan
            And here I agree with you. Oh, how inopportunely the "tower" was canceled in 1947. Bandera's men were tenacious, they served their 25th and returned. Some did not even serve that, fell under the Khrushchev amnesty in 1955. But it was necessary to continue to hang in accordance with the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR No. 39 of April 19, 1943.

            to hang up for what happened, for the fact that they do not like Russia?
            By the way, the NKVD troops in some places chased them back in 1971-73 (I know for sure that a relative served). According to him, crushed rot * do reliable.
            But the United States, after the collapse of the USSR, Galicia seeds were again sown. Now we have what we are observing. crying
            1. +5
              20 October 2014 18: 38
              Quote: PATTIY
              to hang up for what happened, for the fact that they do not like Russia?

              Read the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR No. 39 of April 19, 1943, everything is described in detail there, why put on how much, and why hang. Yes, yes, just to hang, and not to shoot - as it was in the Decree.
          2. +1
            20 October 2014 22: 50
            I do not consider myself smarter than "Uncle Joe", but in the historical retrospective of HIS (do you mind?) Global mistakes are over-obvious. "You can't harness a horse and a quivering doe into one cart." These (Galicia and Novorossiya) have long been antagonists (or ethnogonists?)). The glorious Russian Galicia-Volyn principality ceased to be Russian almost 700 years ago, with the adoption of the infamous Krevsk union. They then betrayed Orthodoxy and are now reaping the fruits of this betrayal. Amen! (Let it be so!)
          3. 0
            21 October 2014 13: 28
            Comrade Stalin, too, was mistaken, he is a man, but Comrade Khrushchev made a lot of submissions in this matter.
    3. +8
      20 October 2014 14: 32
      As for the transfer of control over the Russian-Ukrainian border to Kiev. Here, too, the Russian Federation managed to maintain the status quo, and the EU simply had to admit: for Moscow this issue is “non-negotiable”,

      Why is everyone in the world confident that it is Russia that supports and not only supports, but does everything to ensure that the Southeast is separated, we constantly doubt and, I think, the question whether the traitors leaked or not leaked should arise only for traitors. I am sure that New Russia will live.
      1. +3
        20 October 2014 15: 53
        Leaked only not New Russia. New Russia was never created. Here are the words of His Serene Highness pronounced recently in Italy: "according to the Minsk treaty, the militias must leave the villages, but they cannot, because they are residents of these villages." But Zurabov was at the Minsk talks and I strongly doubt that without commands from the Kremlin, he signed certain agreements.
        And one more little tip. Learn to think, analyze. Stop talking and thinking with slogans.
        1. +3
          20 October 2014 16: 11
          - Answer me, Vladimir Vladimirovich! Have you leaked or not leaked ?!
          - You see, it is impossible to unequivocally answer your question ...
          - Answer me !!!
          - This morning, in the toilet - leaked, I would add that I also washed it off.
      2. +4
        20 October 2014 17: 17
        Quote: Moment
        Why is everyone in the world confident that it is Russia that supports and not only supports, but does everything to ensure that the Southeast is separated, we constantly doubt and, I think, the question whether the traitors leaked or not leaked should arise only for traitors. I am sure that New Russia will live.

        it is specially written on all 5-o sitescolumnists.
        so to speak, "collecting information for Tufta". Everyone has known for a long time that the United States is spying on, eavesdropping and spying everywhere. I think this is a "mood collection" in our society. Our answer is this:
        Know States Know NATO
        We don’t need a foreign land,
        We don’t take someone else’s
        And we’ll give back

        We know Remember we will not forget
        We will defend the country,
        From Alaska to the Kremlin,
        This is my homeland
    4. -5
      20 October 2014 14: 56
      And why such a government is needed, where everything rises in price and why a strong army, whom and whose wealth to protect, some kind of idiocy
      1. +1
        20 October 2014 23: 05
        Quote: bubla5
        And why such a government is needed, where everything rises in price and why a strong army, whom and whose wealth to protect, some kind of idiocy

        Actually, the army defends the state! And the state is not only the government and the oligarchs!
    5. Denis fj
      +10
      20 October 2014 15: 08
      I'll get up early, tighten my underpants ...
      Pretty Maidan, I’ll go to war
      The convoy caught friends in the gateway
      And I'm voluntary, because I'm a stupid person
      I'll leave the hut, go to fight
      To give land in Donbass Obama
      So that a Jew Poroshenko, a murderer and a bastard
      I put another billion in my pocket
      Do not cry, mama, fate swear
      Go maidan instead of me
      Download higher, even though it's hard for you
      And shout louder that Putin is “x @ lo”
      After all, if all together we will ride
      Faster Ukraine will flourish
      Put me diapers, zbroy, grub
      Goodbye, psychiatric clinic, Pokeda, doctors!
      Here the native steam engine snorted farewell ... -
      Well, everything seems to be .. I'm leaving for manure ... laughing
      1. 0
        21 October 2014 13: 33
        And others go for treatment. Here it was written about Croatia, they say they will take the heroes to cure. Estonia has already tasted this joy.
        http://baltija.eu/news/read/40336
    6. +1
      20 October 2014 16: 36
      Yes, you need to state your clear and unambiguous position. In a nutshell, it can be: "Death to fascism!" Nothing new.
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        +2
        20 October 2014 16: 59
        Quote: Naum
        Yes, you need to state your clear and unambiguous position. In a nutshell, it can be: "Death to fascism!" Nothing new.

        Fascism is a product of capitalism: what, nafig, "death to fascism" if

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    7. +4
      20 October 2014 17: 14
      There is no split in Russia on the issues pointed out by the author. Yes, a lot is not clear in the current policy, there are different opinions on how to act. At the same time, this does not go beyond discussion. This split sounds too loud, apparently the author wanted, as many people like it, to fan the fire, to emphasize this once again. In my opinion, one can argue about the problematic issues of the article, but nothing more.
    8. SPR.ROS
      0
      20 October 2014 21: 15
      and when we stop tolerating it ....? What will we do?
    9. +1
      20 October 2014 23: 13
      Quote: Thought Giant
      The split in Russia may be on the people and the fifth liberal column, which sits in power


      You have correctly noticed this. Among the so-called. "liberal elite" not a single locksmith, surgeon or farmer can be seen. They have no time to do this blah-blah-x ... Well, in power, there you can talk about fate, debate about anything, give a bunch of advice (after all, they say that the two easiest jobs are to give advice and write while sitting in the bathroom) and all this is not free. bully
  2. +10
    20 October 2014 14: 23
    90 percent of Westerners do not know where Ukraine is at all, and are not at all interested in its problems, whatever! This is what you would know and draw the right conclusions in the future ...
  3. +7
    20 October 2014 14: 24
    We were also very looking forward to this appeal, phoned everyone, but .... With such popular support, I think we need to say something to people. It is for us - the Russians, then the rating will be generally 100%.
    1. +8
      20 October 2014 14: 32
      Quote: Owl27
      We were also very looking forward to this appeal, phoned everyone, but .... With such popular support, I think we need to say something to people. It is for us - the Russians, then the rating will be generally 100%.

      It was necessary to say a long time ago, unless of course we remember that we (those who voted for Putin) did not give him the scepter or the throne, but only hired him to the highest managerial position. And we have the right to know how and where he leads our country, the management of which we temporarily entrusted to him, and did not give into ownership
      1. +3
        20 October 2014 17: 45
        Quote: larand
        And we have the right to know how and where he leads our country,

        I answer: Lavrov has just voiced (once again already) Russia's foreign policy.
        we select power and destroy hegemony. We will live according to international law.
        domestic policy - we are leaving the oil and gas needles, we are developing our industries and the economy.
        That's something like that in 2 words.
      2. lucky man
        0
        20 October 2014 20: 58
        How much do you pay the hired, the employer. Personally, I (when I vote) do not HIRING, but TRUST.
  4. +10
    20 October 2014 14: 25
    Of course, no one is going to send troops to Ukraine. But they will help New Russia, as they did, and not only at the diplomatic level. It's time to exclude the word "leaked" from the lexicon. What is happening on the sidelines of power, we do not really know. There is only hope for the foreign policy professionalism of the GDP.
  5. Password
    +8
    20 October 2014 14: 26
    Of course, it would not hurt to clarify the issue of Novorossiya. And that paper "truce" continues to kill people in Donbass every single day.
    And if we see that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help, and we already have the official appeal of the current legitimate president, we reserve the right to use all the means at our disposal to protect these citizens. And we believe that this is quite legitimate.

    4 March 2014 city
    http://kremlin.ru/news/20366
  6. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 28
    "Creating a springboard for the next, larger offensive or for retreat? Preparing positions to move forward or cover for retreat?

    In words or actions, but the president must explain it.
    b ".

    In this matter, comrades, I support the author with two hands. At least this is very important to us. I hope you too.
    1. -3
      20 October 2014 14: 51
      Quote: SHILO
      In this matter, comrades, I support the author with two hands. At least this is very important to us.


      Refer to the history, 1940, of the Ardennes, Hitler could throw the 330th group of British into the sea, but he stalled the offensive in the hope of agreeing, did not agree
      1. +3
        20 October 2014 15: 40
        Dunkirk Cauldron is not the Ardennes. The Ardennes counterattack was in the 45th. Learn mat.chast, sergeant!
        1. -2
          20 October 2014 16: 07
          Well mixed up, it happens
          1. +1
            20 October 2014 22: 25
            Why are you giving up so quickly? You have not mixed up ANYTHING! It was through the Ardennes that Hitler circumvented the Maginot line in 1940. Consequence-Dunkirk!
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        2. 0
          20 October 2014 22: 28
          The Ardennes strike was precisely in 1940! Hitler hit France through the Ardennes. Learn materiel ...
          1. -1
            21 October 2014 09: 43
            Hitler’s troops bypassed the Maginot Line with a flanking strike from the north - through Holland and Belgium. If you are familiar with the geography of Benelux, you will see that the Ardennes in this case are bypassed, and not through.
            1. 0
              21 October 2014 11: 07
              In 1940, German troops swiftly circled the Maginot line from the north through the Ardennes. After the surrender of France, the Maginot line garrison surrendered.

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Линия_Мажино

              So it is considered through the Ardennes
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  7. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 28
    Each of us has our own opinion, but Putin has more information, leverage, responsibility. With him, and demand so. I think everything is halfway
    1. Userpic
      -3
      20 October 2014 15: 20
      Quote: FC SKIF
      Putin has more information, leverage
      And why would he use this information and leverage for the benefit of the majority?

      After all
      Liability
      he has NO.

      With him, and demand so
      How are you going to ask?

      I think everything is halfway
      It will surely turn out to be just 84% of the country's population, as a result, they will not be very happy about this.
      1. -1
        20 October 2014 18: 23
        Quote: Userpic
        It will surely turn out to be just 84% of the country's population, as a result, they will not be very happy about this.

        What will not be happy? the fact that the United States wipes its feet about the EU, and not about Russia.
        By the way, with your nickname, you are lucky like that - userpeak laughing and exactly!
        1. Userpic
          +1
          20 October 2014 19: 13
          Quote: PATTIY
          What will not be happy? the fact that the United States wipes its feet about the EU, and not about Russia.
          Julia, they wipe their feet on Russia either with the permission of the Russian authorities, or the Russian authorities themselves - and nothing else.
          Who wipes his feet about the EU and what this means in your understanding, is completely indifferent to me during this period of the country's life, as there are enough other problems.
          84% are not happy that at one point it will reach them (and you) that the Russian Federation is turning into a worse-reflecting US reflection - a liberal empire according to Chubais.

          By the way, with your nickname, you are lucky like that - userpeak and definitely!
          I have - yes, but your thoughts are not very good - they are confused with you. Here you are a user with a loser and mixed up smile
  8. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 29
    The split is now everywhere, and not just in Russia. A split within the European Union, on the issue ... yes, on almost all issues. And even in the USA on the issue of ISIS, and on Obama's foreign and domestic policies (see US population polls and ratings of the current government). Do not exaggerate the merits of Washington
  9. +5
    20 October 2014 14: 31
    We have long been waiting for the President's answers to many questions. But most likely we will never wait. If the government of liberals with Dima-iPhone does not touch, then what more to wait.
  10. 0
    20 October 2014 14: 32
    I think that GDP has a lot more information on the whole Ukrainian issue, therefore it is more competent in ukrodely. He, like Obama, will not run forward, and first he will calculate all the possible consequences. As a result, he will be right in his actions.
    1. +2
      20 October 2014 16: 01
      Will it count until all the inhabitants of Donetsk are killed?
      1. -3
        20 October 2014 18: 35
        Quote: Gardamir
        Will it count until all the inhabitants of Donetsk are killed?

        But do you want our guys to be killed? Let them win their freedom themselves.
        Then they will appreciate it, not evaluate it.
        And Russia helps so. An international word and deed (not some kind of * shoot).
        1. -1
          20 October 2014 19: 12
          I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the civilians of Donbass.
        2. -1
          20 October 2014 22: 32
          But the Donetsk Russians are not ours, of course? And Belgorod? Or Rostov?
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  11. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 33
    did not quite understand the meaning of the article ((((
    1. +3
      20 October 2014 18: 01
      pavel_SPB Today, 14:33 PM
      did not quite understand the meaning of the article ((((

      Not all articles are written with meaning. Sometimes they are written. to write. The fee will be received and okay.
  12. +4
    20 October 2014 14: 33
    American political consultants know their business, it must be admitted. They split Russians and Ukrainians. They split society within Russia.
    Are we split? BA! what dreams, my friend, and you are not from the Pentagon for an hour?
    1. 0
      20 October 2014 19: 18
      Quote: morprepud
      Are we split? BA! what dreams, my friend, and you are not from the Pentagon for an hour?

      and I am the same!
      There is a "collection of information for the State Department Tuffs". There are 2 sayings: -" do not dig a hole for another, you will get into it yourself "," sit on the river bank and the corpse of your enemy will float past. "These wisdom are Russian and Chinese, but the meaning is the same.
      ... and besides, the USA must be destroyed !!
  13. +4
    20 October 2014 14: 35
    I think it’s obvious here, the split has come but not on our side, but over the hill, the Ukrainians are already singing, read on the neighboring branch, - Galitchina is already starting to wander, - and in Europe with Ssashka, it’s not all so clear-split? I think this is what we sought ....
  14. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 38
    Well, what a huge compliment you are doing to the "fifth column": - Split!
    They have not grown to the level of schism and they have already lost their time. So the author doesn’t have to nightmare the situation!
    1. +5
      20 October 2014 15: 44
      the article is just an attempt to create a split amid screams about its (split) danger. I advise the author to re-read a small work by V. I. Lenin "On the violation of unity, covered with a cry for the preservation of unity"
  15. +2
    20 October 2014 14: 39
    A split is when it is 50/50, or 60/40, but 85/15 is called differently. .
    1. 0
      20 October 2014 15: 34
      Isn't it a "miscarriage"?
  16. +5
    20 October 2014 14: 40
    Sorry, but the split of Russian society on the Ukrainian issue is (to put it mildly) WRONG!
    You can just as well shout about the threat of a civil war in Russia ...
    There are different points of view - who, how and what should be done in the leadership of Russia. You can argue about this ...
    But talking about a split ??? This (as Comrade Balbes said) is "voluntarism" ...
    1. +3
      20 October 2014 16: 03
      In January 1991, no one also thought that in a year there would be no Soviet Union.
      1. -1
        20 October 2014 19: 37
        Quote: Gardamir
        In January 1991, no one also thought that in a year there would be no Soviet Union.

        why so! Mr. Gorbi Mechnyi and Georgian KotoryneneOrel just knew and did everything according to the plan of the regional committee (not to be confused with the Soviet one).
        He received the 1st medal and Peace Prize.
        2nd chair and briefcase of Georgia.
        Both were fooled.
        1st is covered in shame and bleats in excuse.
        The 2nd screwed up through Galstukoed and when the same thing happened with Yanuk - he died, presumably, in intellectual torment covered with shame.
  17. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 41
    The people need to know whether Russia will support the militias? And how Russia reacts to constant shelling of civilians, la la la is not considered. The army of New Russia should receive support with weapons and ammunition. Putin should not lose here, he has no right. The people, otherwise, will not understand him - this is not the case with Marshal Taburetkin.
    1. +2
      20 October 2014 14: 54
      Quote: valokordin
      And how Russia reacts to constant shelling of civilians, la la la is not considered.

      No way, Russia did not even react to shelling its territory with the death of a citizen of the Russian Federation
  18. 0
    20 October 2014 14: 41
    Of course, the article of the respected A. Rusin can be treated in two ways. But the general meaning is clear - the society is really split, and this is depressing. The unity of the country is imperative!
    1. +2
      20 October 2014 15: 47
      The unity of a single mother with an income of 15 rubles and an oligarch - a dollar billionaire? Dreaming, as they say in Odessa, no one will forbid.
    2. 0
      20 October 2014 19: 15
      Should Russia sacrifice its own interests, spoil relations with the West, risk its servicemen, spend funds, and so on, on Ukraine, Novorossiya and its interests there. Sometimes the dilemma "140 million citizens of Russia against 7 million residents of Donbass" is indicated here.

      I read it at first, but after what I wrote above I realized that it’s some kind of crap, and then it’s getting worse and worse, crazy article!
      This is not we spoiling relations with the West, but they are with us, we’ve completely lost our scent, if it goes further, Russia will be surrounded by NATO members from all sides))) We must put pro-American jackals in their place!
      The phrase is 140 million citizens of Russia against 7 million citizens of Donbass))) The author, go get treatment)))
  19. supply manager
    +11
    20 October 2014 14: 54
    Putin - that, Putin - that ... We ourselves will decide what? How ready are we to share our piece of bread with the "Novorossians"? After all, what the hell is going on in the market: oil prices are falling, and gasoline prices are growing (I am silent about utilities). The rise in gasoline prices will inevitably lead to a general rise in prices, plus: due to the increase in army costs, the burden on the country's budget, which is already in short supply, is growing, which means that the increments to state employees will be purely symbolic, with inevitable "optimization" of the staffing table. Understand correctly: I do not urge someone to drain or throw, but! The position should not be clearly expressed by the country's leadership, but by the population. The majority of the population, not an active Internet community. Simple combine operator Vanya and sales manager Eduard, honorary milkmaid Masha and secretary Snezhanna should equally be ready to give and present their piece of something delicious to another, completely stranger. After all, it is very easy to shout about your nobility, generosity, and other virtues, but exactly as long as you don't have to go from words to deeds. And most importantly: if our society decides that it is ready to share, then it must also clearly learn: we will have to share more than once, if we give away part of our material well-being, then it will have to be deprived for a long time. This is not a one-time humanitarian aid, it is for a long time. Simply, without the pathos that abounds here, think: are you ready to infringe on yourself in your usual wealth (each has his own), in favor of the "Novorossians".
    If such readiness begins to sound more and more often and louder, then, and only then, our Guarantor will boldly express open support for the "Novorossiya" project, and it will cease to be a project.
    IMHO
    1. -1
      20 October 2014 15: 50
      Sociological polls in May showed that two-thirds of the Russians surveyed were against the introduction of Russian troops into Russia. And the remaining third - on the contrary - required such input. What do you, good gentlemen, then want from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief? That is why the "policy of appeasing the Nazis" was launched
      1. +2
        20 October 2014 16: 10
        Moreover, two-thirds were motivated, they say there will be sanctions against us, etc. and the like, and sanctions even without this have come to a conclusion - the majority is not always right
        1. +2
          20 October 2014 18: 01
          Quote: OldWiser
          Sociological polls in May showed that two-thirds of the Russians surveyed were against the introduction of Russian troops into Russia. And the remaining third - on the contrary - required such input. What do you, good gentlemen, then want from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief? That is why the "policy of appeasing the Nazis" was launched

          Quote: saag
          Moreover, two-thirds were motivated, they say there will be sanctions against us, etc. and the like, and sanctions even without this have come to a conclusion - the majority is not always right

          if there had been no Ukrainian crisis with the Novorossiya project, the United States would have found 101 reasons for pressure on Russia and the introduction of any kind of sanctions against us. Just overdue. It's time. They see that Russia is getting stronger, and the public debt on Time Square shows astronomical figures and continues to grow. You can’t wait further.
          If you can’t make yourself better, then you can make others worse. (N. Starikov)
        2. BIG
          +1
          21 October 2014 04: 56
          Not true! It’s not a matter of sanctions. The vast majority believe that we should provide comprehensive support to the people of Novorosii (and all of Ukraine), but we should not fight instead of them.
          1. 0
            21 October 2014 09: 48
            So VVP decided so in May - it is possible to enter with troops only being sure that "they will not shoot in the back"
  20. +3
    20 October 2014 14: 55
    It seems to me that circumstances are slowly changing and a sharp turn is brewing. It is very important for all of us, and Putin in particular, not to slow down. It is necessary to clearly grasp the moment that requires decisive action.

    God grant that the experience of judo and our other abilities, with whom, help in this.

    "Yesterday was early, tomorrow will be late." (from) wink
  21. +1
    20 October 2014 14: 55
    Recently it has become difficult to write about Russian politics. And about the economy too. It has always been difficult, but now doubly difficult.

    The reason is in Ukraine.

    My opinion.
    Ukraine is just a consequence of the fact that we are superfluous on the world political and economic arena.
    They did not justify their forecasts.
    They counted on the sluggish current development of Russia.
  22. +5
    20 October 2014 15: 00
    Complete unity can only be at the cemetery. And people are alive, and their experience is different, and the awareness of everyone is different. But the vector of patriotism must be common. We must be proud of our country and do everything so that it develops and grows stronger. Then the bribe takers and embezzlers cease to boast of their valor. Public opinion is a terrible force.
    1. -1
      20 October 2014 16: 14
      WE, yes we, well, how much you can endure and patriot, what did the military endure before and Serdyukov, and the country was sworn by swearing oaths, and now the burnt officials are thieves under house arrest, at home they are transferring all their wealth over a hill, and the zones are overflowing
      1. sled beach
        0
        20 October 2014 19: 07
        But does it seem like an itch from an ugly thing? Everyone is capable of screaming in a fit, and units can hardly sacrifice themselves for the sake of a common cause. You are hardly one of them.
        1. 0
          20 October 2014 19: 16
          You’ll travel around the country, then you’ll also brush your hair, don’t be afraid and served and did your duty no worse than others, now retired, who will protect us inside, immigrants have been brought in immensely, in any situation it’s not the IHL if they are armed in the rear
          1. sled beach
            0
            20 October 2014 23: 44
            We live as we want and deserve, everyone lives to the best of their abilities and we are far from an exception. The world is great and its cruelty is adamant.
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  23. +2
    20 October 2014 15: 01
    I think it is not entirely correct to evaluate the president's actions halfway through, I regularly propose to evaluate his actions. Someone really wants to put pressure on the president with popular opinion. I want to remind everyone that we do not own all the information and our opinion will be more likely erroneous and it is used as a result against us all. There is a saying "chickens count in autumn" I adhere to this saying.
  24. +4
    20 October 2014 15: 02
    In my opinion, a split is too categorical and loudly said. Disputes, discussions - yes there are. But it is traditional for the Russian people, sitting in the kitchen for a cup to discuss political issues. From this, even jokes are born when three men are sitting, drinking vodka, and their wives are listening to what they are talking about: it’s normal about women, about politics - normal, about work - it means it’s time to get home to drink.
    The question leaked / not leaked is also not a simple one. Despite the fact that the author hints that the GDP said that he would protect the Russians, he did. He also said that he did not want a split in Ukraine as a sovereign state, but for some reason nothing was mentioned in the article about this. Somehow one-sided.
    In general, who decided that the conflict in New Russia should be resolved right now. How do you imagine that? At the political level, Putin, Lavrov, Churkin are doing everything possible and impossible for the war to stop in New Russia. Someone from the Westerners sent their military representatives to draw a security line? Ours are doing it there. Another thing is that dill does not perform, so the cat scratches on its ridge. Winter is just around the corner, and in Novorossia coal is abundant.
    I would beware of conjecturing something in this regard because a lack of information gives rise to erroneous judgments.
    1. +3
      20 October 2014 16: 13
      What are you all about the information settled. Cases speak best of all about a person.
  25. +2
    20 October 2014 15: 07
    This article could be published back in April, then in May, etc. monthly, to the present.
    The author, like many analysts, is obsessed with the question: leaked did not leaked. Five months about the same thing. Not leaked.
  26. +2
    20 October 2014 15: 07
    But you can’t tolerate it! There is an economic and information war against Russia, which at any moment can develop into an armed war. In this situation, it is vital to keep the powder dry and to prove effectively that there is still mango in the grill. And the fifth column is outspoken sabotage ...
    1. 0
      21 October 2014 09: 52
      the more we mention these liberal renegades, the more significant "persons" they feel. There is no need to PR-it again these nits. Then their sponsors from the State Department will see that they are nobody, and there is no way to call them.
  27. +3
    20 October 2014 15: 08
    And where did the author see the split?
    Like there are no indifferent, as well as errors in the actions of GDP.
    Creating a trading area without a dollar? To which more countries are joining!
    Saving the lives of our boys? And with what joy to lay them there, when the local population for the most part either runs away or hides - they wait until the good uncle comes and gives them communism! Otherwise, we will still be invaders and the strangler of freedom and happiness of life in the geyrop. To blame wink , as they say - this smut is not on my salary!
    Economic union of the BRICS countries? - Perhaps cooler than the "Warsaw Pact" will be!
    You can continue yourself. Where is the reason for panic and shouts of "everything is gone" ???
    1. +2
      20 October 2014 17: 45
      Everything is in order with foreign policy. That's just the inside is lame. It is time for Putin to feel popular support and dispel the winds of the history of all the oligarchs, all Westerners, all traitors and all liberals. As soon as the president can point blank not see the traitor in the premiere, I just can’t put my mind to it.
  28. +2
    20 October 2014 15: 10
    Minus article. The daughter of the officer wrote.
    To all doubters to read:
    Grandmaster Putin. Analysis of the Ukrainian party: http://politrussia.com/world/grossmeyster-putin-analiz-ukrainskoy-partii-472/
    And tie to bliss about New Russia. You have too much brain for yourself and people.
  29. Crimea-nyash
    +3
    20 October 2014 15: 11
    but in my opinion our president is right in doing that does not allow Russia to be drawn into the war that the Ukrainians planned on the territory of the United States. Everything is repeated again, in 41g. in fact, the 3rd Reich was pushed to Russia and now the same organizers want a repetition. both Russia and the Jews are in ruins, and we are in chocolate.
  30. Idolum
    0
    20 October 2014 15: 13
    Today I received another letter from the government of the Russian Federation, and as always, one answer ........
    I wrote another letter today, asked to think for another 24 hours.
    And tomorrow I will put a plus or minus to this article))))))))
  31. +4
    20 October 2014 15: 20
    In my opinion, most of us have long realized that the issue is not so much in Ukraine as in overt US aggression against Russia.
  32. +3
    20 October 2014 15: 21
    There is a split, but not the one mentioned in the article, the first split between the bulk of the people and a bunch of rotten intelligentsia, corrupt officials, snickering oligarchs, this split was before the events in Ukraine, our government simply tried not to advertise it, our modest way is power. When a crisis arose in Ukraine, this split acquired a different look, we faced the dilemma of war, death and collapse of RUSSIA. Then all the above-mentioned political whores and prostitutes are seen by normal citizens of RUSSIA as traitors with all the ensuing consequences in wartime. I won’t talk about Ukraine, they are, more precisely, dill-jumping, maydanut are not our comrades, not partners, and all the more not brothers and sisters, the last of fascism, Natsik, it’s ENEMIES and there will be no other opinion, if only we respect our great ancestors who persecuted this scum to Berlin and drove count in their ideology. A question arises to our leader, how can we simple people unite with THESE when they do not consider us and for the people, how they see this association, when the difference between rich and poor is 1: 20 if not more. Rising prices, inflation, a mediocre and helpless government, where there are signs of unity, I do not see them. A complete failure in domestic politics, especially in the economy, personnel. We are a country that has more than 30% of natural resources and has the POOR, and here is the association. On what basis will GDP unite us, I would like to HEAR.
    1. Idolum
      -1
      20 October 2014 15: 38
      I already voiced this at a LOOK, okay, I’ll cheat you in a nutshell ........
      GDP has a machine that can destroy all inflation !!!!!!!!
      But the typewriter has a minus, it should be in seven seals.
      Well, for example, imagine you take a mortgage for 20 years at 1%))))))))
    2. +1
      20 October 2014 15: 57
      Do you think GDP will announce the need for restoration of socialism?
  33. +1
    20 October 2014 15: 35
    Wow wow, palehce! Not so simple in this sensitive issue, I am sure this year the analysts and strategists of the General Staff had many sleepless nights.
  34. -1
    20 October 2014 15: 49
    again another water on jelly and not an article!
  35. Starmos
    +2
    20 October 2014 16: 02
    Split ... Split. Some kind of "eternal", for Russia, concept.
    How much the history of our country knew the splits of society And each marked the onset of shocks. Igo, "Times of Troubles", foreign invasions, peasant and civil wars, revolutions, finally. It would seem that literate people who taught History at school should not step on the same "rake", but we are advancing. What is the reason?
    Why did you win the Great Patriotic War? Because there was no split. Because there was an ideology - "For our Soviet Motherland!".
    Why are you in doubt now? What is the main feature of our society today? What principles is the ideology of modern Russia based on, and is there any?
    The ideology of "building, reviving the Russian World" so far only takes place at the level of slogans and public appeals. The present Russian Society, unfortunately, is split in several "directions" at once, and the most "principled" one is the stratification along the socio-economic basis. The "abyss" is growing so rapidly that calls for unity in the existing realities, at least - pure populism ... And only the elimination of this factor can contribute to the consolidation of the People of Russia.
  36. +2
    20 October 2014 16: 59
    What is the split for a hair dryer? Between whom and whom? Between the people and the "new middle class" office plankton with an even tan and white thong stripes ??? This is not a split, but a growth. It's time to understand that tales of "world and universal" values ​​are delirium and a trap. It's time to understand that we are doomed to a special historical path, thongs do not suit us, "family members" are more reliable. And if the "schismatics" in the person of the fifth column do not want to live with us, then it is time to load them with barges and send them in bulk to Courchevel, and forever. And the rest - to study according to Soviet textbooks, pass the TRP norms, work until they get tired, love the Motherland and not betray the Russian World.
    1. 0
      20 October 2014 21: 25
      I completely agree, but these s-ki are still in power
      1. 0
        21 October 2014 09: 55
        Your GDP, then, also c-ka?
  37. Bor
    +2
    20 October 2014 17: 10
    The president has nowhere to retreat - this is his strategy. But he should have room for maneuvering.
  38. -1
    20 October 2014 17: 25
    I believe the article was written by a provocateur.
  39. -1
    20 October 2014 17: 39
    What nonsense about the "leaked not leaked" questions! Where would anyone have leaked, if they had merged New Russia would have ended long ago, and help caravans would not have gone !!! Down with panic and alarmists-fire-makers!
  40. -1
    20 October 2014 17: 40
    I agree - the article was written by a provocateur!
    There is a split only among the mass of pro-Western liberals - 85% of Russians in the beginning supported Putin and continue to support it.
  41. Ivan 63
    +4
    20 October 2014 19: 04
    You should take a closer look at Putin's face - he is waiting for When the Majority of Our Society will unite, and what it sees on the screens our fifth column is not afraid of anything and more and more impudently throws mud at our Motherland and not one of the participants in these "talk shows" will into the liberalistic snout of the opponent, but will not even spit at it. It is no longer possible to watch this series, endless and irreplaceable on TV, and not see the most important thing, when the ardent double-faced Russophobes are finally raised to the pitchfork. Let them finally give the command (otherwise we will not wait) and all this demonic five-column flock will be destroyed in a moment - no democracy will help, and immediately the fighting spirit that has arisen will sweep away all the uncleanness in Novorossia, from Chisinau to Kharkov.
    1. Userpic
      0
      20 October 2014 19: 42
      Quote: Ivan 63
      fifth column

      Surnames name.
      1. 0
        21 October 2014 07: 25
        Chubais for a start. This bastard must be destroyed first.
        1. Userpic
          0
          21 October 2014 13: 53
          Quote: Flinky
          Chubais for a start. This bastard must be destroyed first.

          Chubais works with Putin from the St. Petersburg City Hall; they are still pulling each other up.

          If Chubais is the 5th column, in your understanding, then Putin, who got to the Kremlin probably on the recommendation of Chubais and appoints / covers Chubais for the past 14 years ... - continue the logical series yourself.

  42. lucky man
    -1
    20 October 2014 20: 48
    The author of the article maydanuty.Yuserpik will change his mind. It is precisely such articles that lead to a split, (This is clear as God's day) and not Putin’s actions.
    1. Userpic
      0
      20 October 2014 23: 41
      Quote: lucky
      not Putin’s actions.

      Putin, as always, with nothing? smile
  43. +1
    20 October 2014 21: 04
    There is one enemy in Russia among ordinary people - the fifth column. It has long been demanding that it be destroyed physically. When? ...
    1. Userpic
      +1
      20 October 2014 23: 42
      Ugra, tell me - what do the characters from your demotivator influence?
  44. 0
    20 October 2014 21: 09
    Yes, not everything the president can voice. What do you want him to tell the whole world about all his trump cards and combinations ??? The investigator will not tell the criminals where and how he will take them !? It's like telling the enemy how you want to defeat him, don't be naive. Now the game is not in "point", but in poker with a combination of chess. See what it does, not what it says. You can chat as much as you like about everything. Hundreds of such topics of current on topvar, as fortune telling on coffee grounds.
  45. +1
    20 October 2014 21: 13
    Vitaly Podvitsky is handsome !!! It’s time to mark his work with a state award! This is modern KuKryNyks in one person. KuKryNiksov, incidentally, Hitler considered, along with Levitan, one of Stalin's most effective weapons.
  46. +1
    20 October 2014 21: 39
    Not an article, but a complete spasm of some Moscow-Creakle brain! It’s a shame, it’s a shame for Russia, it’s like ours, they won. And it’s dumb to make mistakes, like Makarka and Rotarka. Or the same Buba - and they don’t call him any more zirconium bracelets to steam-advertise ... but this was all a denyuzhka!
    It should be easier, to roll back 150 years ago, everything has already come up with: "You just have to believe in Russia!"
    Notice, not in Putin, not in the invisible hand of the market, not in the advanced teaching of Marxism. And just to Russia.
  47. +1
    20 October 2014 22: 46
    Long ago, in his Crimean speech, Putin clearly outlined his attitude towards Novorossiya (speaking of Crimea): "They turned to us for help. And not to answer it would be a betrayal!" How many times Novorossiya turned to Russia for help, do not count ...
  48. Idolum
    0
    21 October 2014 14: 27
    Draining or not draining
    I will show how it all happened.
    The reason why the world is on the ears since February 2013.
  49. Idolum
    0
    21 October 2014 16: 47
    and so!!!!!!!!
  50. Idolum
    0
    21 October 2014 16: 48
    and so))))))))
    The Chekists did not allow to insert a pancake !!!!!!!!
  51. Idolum
    0
    21 October 2014 16: 49
    This is YAAAAAAAAA)
  52. Idolum
    0
    21 October 2014 16: 53
    And what do you think they did with DEVELOPMENT?????????
    I want your (People) opinion.