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Gorbachev changed?

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On November 9, Germany will mark the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, a date that, after decades of separating one part of the German people from another, not only united those parts, but made Germany itself another. The fall of the Berlin Wall as one of the main symbols of the Cold War is an event that can hardly be overestimated in Europe. On the anniversary of the dismantling of the wall that divided the people, an interview with Mikhail Gorbachev for "Rossiyskaya Gazeta".

The interview of the first (and last) president of the USSR gives reason to think about why Gorbachev suddenly changed his rhetoric towards the West. If until recently it was difficult to imagine that this person would allow himself at least some critical statement in relation to Washington and Western "democracy" in general, now it seems that Mikhail Sergeyevich has been replaced.



Having called Obama's speech from the UN rostrum a few weeks ago, "abuse" and stating that the United States today, like the Soviet Union in the mid-80s, needs its own restructuring, the ex-General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee says that after 25 years break begins to grow a new wall between West and East. At the same time, Gorbachev notes that if the Berlin Wall at one time tried to create (for the most part) the "Eastern camp" in an attempt to isolate itself, today the Western world has decided to follow the same path.

M. Gorbachev for Rossiyskaya Gazeta:
Today we have to admit: there is a crisis in European and world politics. One of its reasons, although not the only one, is the unwillingness of our Western partners to take into account Russia's point of view and the legitimate interests of its security. They applauded Russia in words, especially during the Yeltsin years, but in reality they did not reckon with it. I mean, first of all, the expansion of NATO, the plans to deploy missile defense systems, the actions of the West in regions important for Russia (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine). Literally so they said: it's none of your business. As a result, an abscess formed, which burst ...


On Ukraine's attempts to build a "wall" on the border with Russia:
I am against any walls. Let those who are planning such "construction" come to their senses. Our peoples, after all, I think, will not quarrel. We're too close in every way. There are no insurmountable problems and differences between us. But much will depend on the intelligentsia and the media. If they work to dissociate, start and aggravate quarrels and conflicts, there will be trouble. We know examples. And so I urge the intelligentsia to behave responsibly.


It seems that everything is correct, but in the case of Gorbachev, vague doubts, as they say, do not cease to torment. The fact that Mikhail Sergeevich is against any walls does not cause such doubts, but what about the passage about calling the intelligentsia to account? After all, Gorbachev seemed to be the first person in the Communist Party, positioned himself (at least for the time being) as an active champion of Lenin's values. And if "Lenin's values" were at stake at least once in Gorbachev's life, then the president of the USSR is unlikely not to know about the Leninist classics about the intelligentsia.

From a letter from Lenin to Gorky (1919):
The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle to overthrow the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, and lackeys of capital, who consider themselves to be the brains of the nation. In fact, it is not the brain, but g ...


And what happens? Mikhail Sergeevich urges the city of ... the nation to behave responsibly? Weird. What responsibility can a g ... have if it is g ... and if you continue to keep in your head Lenin's passage about the intelligentsia ...

But God bless him and Lenin (forgive me for such a pun), let's return to Gorbachev's position. His criticism of the Western approach to the modern world order manifested itself quite unexpectedly. Strange, but Gorbachev kept silent about the appearance of other walls in Europe, even before the Ukrainian drama - for example, he did not say anything to the MSG about the wall that separates Serbia from its historical root - Kosovo. But it was erected 10 years after the dismantled wall in Berlin. Another 15 years have passed, and a new wall appears - not so much that stupid ditch, on the digging of which Yatsenyuk, Avakov and Kolomoisky's money is washed, as a wall of spiritual separation.

By the way, from Avakov's about the "wall":
This morning (October 16 - author's note). Kharkiv region. Border with Russia.
We are building the Wall - the European shaft. There, twenty meters away, they simply hate his European prime minister, but they are looking for me and sentenced.
But we laugh at them poor ones. We do what we must. For Ukraine! Popular Front. Arseny and Arsen. You and millions of patriots of the country. You and your actions. Through thorns. No matter how hard it was. With a smile and optimism. Let's break through! Glory to Ukraine!




As you can see, the neighing at the sight of the “wall” is hardly hidden ... But this “wall”, excuse me, is for the suckers, for whom Yatsenyuk and Avakov hold the representatives of the Ukrainian people. But the wall of spiritual alienation, which continues to be imposed by the West, is a real danger. It turns out that Gorbachev was at least a decade and a half late with his criticism. Well, absolutely at least ... the West cannot be content with one wall - it needs many walls to fence itself off from that part of the world that defends its own system of values, the right to an independent point of view, to its own version of development and interaction with other states, and peoples.

So what closed in Gorbachev's head, from which he suddenly decided to criticize the West? Apparently, Gorbachev realized that against the background of unfolding multifaceted conflicts, he had a chance - a chance to shift responsibility for the blood of a unipolar world onto those whom he once idolized, a chance not so much to justify himself before the people, but to appear as a new peacemaker with a simultaneous attempt to blur out the traces of his the seed that has spawned global chaos since the collapse of the USSR.
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  1. WYCCTPUJIA
    WYCCTPUJIA 17 October 2014 09: 42
    +29
    It seems to me, or Tagged (so that he was empty) trying to rehabilitate at least somehow in our eyes ???
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 17 October 2014 09: 50
      +27
      So what closed in Gorbachev's head, from which he suddenly decided to criticize the West? Apparently, Gorbachev realized that against the background of unfolding multifaceted conflicts, he had a chance - a chance to shift responsibility for the blood of a unipolar world onto those whom he once idolized, a chance not so much to justify himself before the people, but to appear as a new peacemaker with a simultaneous attempt to blur out the traces of his the seed that has spawned global chaos since the collapse of the USSR.


      Wants to negotiate with the devils about a contrast shower repeat
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 17 October 2014 09: 57
        +64
        There is no forgiveness for the hunchback !!! Millions of dead people are on his conscience. For me he is on a par with Hitler ..
        1. oblako
          oblako 17 October 2014 10: 27
          +8
          Change of values ​​- this is his worldview. Well, as far as his rule is concerned, by the will of those who led him, a person "who does not own the agenda", who has distorted ideas about reality and does not associate himself with his state, turned out to be the head of state. The result is destruction, not creation. There are many of us like that, he is no worse and no better. Mediocre. But mediocrity is active and without self-criticism, ready to justify all his deeds and actions. And not ready to shoot himself defending his honor and admitting guilt.
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 17 October 2014 11: 11
            +10
            Changing my soul for the ability to pick up this nit.
            1. Stalevar
              Stalevar 17 October 2014 11: 29
              +24
              I despise this goat!
              1. Genur
                Genur 17 October 2014 14: 15
                +7
                His tail began to wag ...
                1. abdrah
                  abdrah 18 October 2014 01: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Genur
                  His tail began to wag ...

                  Padlyuk senses an ambulance and hurries to lull all the cases, just like Solzhenitsyn, he also spat back to his homeland, and when he sensed the grave, he became a patriot. There is some kind of painful passion among traitors to be buried in the country that they betrayed. Well, dimon and a place with security at the Novodevichy churchyard (at least) will provide - he gave the order, fula!
                  PS - In his youth, he considered perestroika the beginning of a new era and read Solzhenitsyn in a typewritten version of "samizdat", later in the early 90s, working in a factory and not receiving a salary for half a year, I generally understood that these bastards were preparing us for the era and for what they were given nobels and life abroad ...
                  1. crazyrom
                    crazyrom 30 October 2014 22: 10
                    0
                    Late in repentance (if at all), let him first pay for what he has done.
                  2. crazyrom
                    crazyrom 30 October 2014 22: 10
                    0
                    Late in repentance (if at all), let him first pay for what he has done.
            2. Andrey Skokovsky
              Andrey Skokovsky 17 October 2014 12: 12
              +14
              Quote: Baikal
              Changing my soul for the ability to pick up this nit.

              equal exchange, you will not return to the USSR

              As for the marked one, the Juda is getting old and knows perfectly well that hell awaits him, maybe even feels the inevitable ...

              and what is interesting, even now he has a chance to go out to the people and repent - there is such a good Russian tradition, he messed up - obey, tell how and what he did, how he betrayed his homeland on the advice of the enemy,
              earlier, even with the KGB, he would have obeyed - maybe the USSR would not have had to be destroyed later ...

              yes, he will remain in history as a traitor, you cannot return what has been done - but it will be easier for us to clean up the destroyed
              and personally marked it is not at all superfluous before the end of life, you look at least repenting from Russia will deserve a grave ...
              but it is not yet clear what he is counting on? to a hole in London probably ......
              1. jjj
                jjj 17 October 2014 12: 20
                +6
                And for Mikhail Sergeevich the time has come to collect stones. And think about the soul
            3. ZVEROBOY
              ZVEROBOY 17 October 2014 12: 24
              +2
              The Germans have united, and we are increasingly disunited
          2. krivdaSPb
            krivdaSPb 17 October 2014 15: 14
            +4
            That's really, really, T.V.A.R.
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        3. ZVEROBOY
          ZVEROBOY 17 October 2014 12: 22
          +3
          Quote: INVESTOR
          There is no forgiveness for the hunchback !!! Millions of dead people are on his conscience. For me he is on a par with Hitler ..

          Hitler is at least not a Judas
        4. Manul
          Manul 17 October 2014 13: 13
          +11
          Quote: INVESTOR
          There is no forgiveness for the hunchback !!! Millions of dead people are on his conscience. For me he is on a par with Hitler ..

          Do not compare. Although Hitler was a reptile, but a big figure! And a marked slug, jellied meat, a cowardly dog, ... I can't find more decent words - anger covers my eyes and asks to break out with such poison, for which I will be banned for a year.
          Probably he wants to be buried in his homeland. I really wish that his bones do not rot our Mother Russia. Let it rot behind the puddle.
        5. oleggun
          oleggun 17 October 2014 13: 43
          -7
          Quote: INVESTOR
          There is no forgiveness for the hunchback !!! Millions of dead people are on his conscience. For me he is on a par with Hitler ..

          Comparing Gorbachev with Hitler, even with all the troubles that Gorbachev did, is a sign of dementia.
          1. Manul
            Manul 18 October 2014 01: 17
            +3
            Quote: oleggun
            Comparing Gorbachev with Hitler, even with all the troubles that Gorbachev did, is a sign of dementia.

            To be rude, even on business, is a sign of bad taste. Here, sometimes such kneading occurs - everyone's forelocks crack and sparks from collisions of foreheads pour in. In the heat they break loose. Then they apologize, make peace and even begin to make friends. Let's not blame anyone for dementia, because this is the most unsubstantiated accusation.
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        7. 52
          52 18 October 2014 16: 25
          +1
          No matter how scum Hitler was, he was creating a state, and this is a marked guano ... Rather, this insignificance would have suffered a terrible punishment - complete and absolute oblivion.
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 17 October 2014 09: 51
      +21
      Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
      It seems to me, or Tagged (so that he was empty) trying to rehabilitate at least somehow in our eyes ???

      Most likely, the pindos, like a used condom, were thrown into the trash heap and removed from their feeder. And then you want to eat. So he is trying to suck up to Russia.
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 17 October 2014 09: 53
      +14
      Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
      It seems to me, or Tagged (so that he was empty) trying to rehabilitate at least somehow in our eyes ???

      It's just that Gorbachev feels that there is not long to live, but that he apparently wants to die and be buried in Russia.
      So he tries to wash himself a little so that the descendants do not spit on his grave.
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 17 October 2014 10: 07
        +11
        It's just that Gorbachev feels that there is not long to live, but that he apparently wants to die and be buried in Russia.
        So he tries to wash himself a little so that the descendants do not spit on his grave.


        In general, decent Russian people, when they realized what they had done, especially after a quarter of a century, in such cases they themselves shot themselves. And here ... nothing more than a game for the audience: "Look, what I am, all in white."
      2. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 17 October 2014 10: 27
        +8
        So he tries to wash himself a little so that the descendants do not spit on his grave.

        What spitting. Yes, people will go to his grave, and in droves.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 October 2014 09: 56
      +17
      the hunchback left ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 17 October 2014 14: 07
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the hunchback left ...

        Thank you Andrey! The title of Hero of Russia, of course, will not be awarded to you, but you will remain in the people's memory forever! yes
        Hi! drinks Well ... Going for mushrooms tomorrow?
    5. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 17 October 2014 10: 13
      +6
      Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
      It seems to me, or Tagged (so that he was empty) trying to rehabilitate at least somehow in our eyes ???

      What is doubtful, I would rather believe that they stopped paying him.
    6. zao74
      zao74 17 October 2014 10: 32
      +5
      So what closed in Gorbachev's head, from which he suddenly decided to criticize the West?
      They stopped giving dough to scum, so they blather at the owners. Damn, the whole mood was gone, when I saw this face ...
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    8. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 17 October 2014 13: 29
      0
      He covers up sins before the people and God (after all, he will still appear before the High Court sooner or later)
    9. demel2
      demel2 17 October 2014 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
      It seems to me, or Tagged (so that he was empty) trying to rehabilitate at least somehow in our eyes ???

      But is this m. Once able to rehabilitate himself before the people he betrayed?
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    11. siberalt
      siberalt 17 October 2014 14: 56
      +1
      Gorbachev does not admit his mistakes, but as was instituted in the Politburo, shifts them to his comrades-in-arms or American "partners", who allegedly threw the CPSU like suckers.
    12. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 17 October 2014 15: 29
      +2
      He is Judas, so he will be remembered despite all his attempts to whitewash himself somehow.
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 17 October 2014 16: 55
        0
        And behaves like Judas!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 17 October 2014 17: 12
          +2
          Apparently he stopped receiving money for lectures. That is, they removed the money from the money - the waste "material" is not allowed. So he "saw the light". hi
    13. Viktortopwar
      Viktortopwar 17 October 2014 18: 17
      +1
      Yes, they are just waiting for him "THERE", they are waiting ...
    14. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 17 October 2014 19: 56
      +1
      I think so too. I don’t believe him. He's done so much already. And now he wants to become all in white.
    15. wax
      wax 18 October 2014 00: 11
      +1
      I think everything is simpler - Gorby and his fund were disconnected from funding (direct and indirect): he lives in Russia, he ended up in the Central Clinical Hospital (and not in a German hospital by plane - an honorary German, after all). Judas.
    16. northern
      northern 18 October 2014 11: 38
      0
      I don’t believe in his remorse.
    17. Monkey monkey
      Monkey monkey 18 October 2014 16: 17
      +1
      ____ Marked has never decided anything, and has never been an independent figure; remember how much more passable figures disappeared from his path - this is a sign that someone was clearing the way for him. And rehabilitation, people's opinion and the fear of post-life retaliation are the last thing that worries him. He, as he fulfilled the order, and now croaks what will be ordered to him ...
  2. silver169
    silver169 17 October 2014 09: 45
    +2
    Wall, ha ha ... What power, such a wall lol
    1. aleks_29296
      aleks_29296 17 October 2014 10: 31
      +4
      Wall, ha ha ... What power, such a wall

      Yesterday I watched as Yaytsenyukh tried to bite the fence net with side cutters, checking the fence is not strong. He praised: like the Russians will not pass. But it is a stupid creation, except for side cutters, and probably does not know any other tool with nail clippers.
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 17 October 2014 14: 09
        +3
        Yeah, and they haven't heard of rebar scissors either. and if you take a broader perspective ... All according to Zadornov.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 17 October 2014 15: 03
          +2
          Yeah. The thorn and the towers remind you of something. Surely the Ukrainians don’t realize that a huge concentration camp is being built. And the slogans have already been prepared. They are already hammered by the numerous marches of the Natsiks through the cities of the Nezalezhnaya into the ruined minds of the hulks.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 17 October 2014 14: 17
      0
      Quote: silver169
      What power, such a wall

      Yatsenyuk felt the "Wall" and rolled on an armored car


      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 17 October 2014 17: 23
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Yatsenyuk felt the "Wall" and rolled on an armored car



        I'm certainly not a specialist in the camp business, but it seems like a bunny is standing on the side of the thorn that is facing the "possible threat"
        they are actually a camp for the peoples of Ukraine, it turns out
  3. asar
    asar 17 October 2014 09: 47
    +12
    Personally, in my eyes, he has no and never will be an excuse! "Tainted" myself, MS! And that "welded", we still have a long time to disentangle!
  4. newfox
    newfox 17 October 2014 09: 49
    +7
    Apparently the "Gorbachev Foundation" sailed to the same place from where it came from. Here Mikhal Sirgeich was offended by the poverty in his old age ...
  5. Lyolik
    Lyolik 17 October 2014 09: 49
    +19
    Under Gorbachev, the people lived very, very hard. I will never forget food coupons, it’s scary to remember. And to be honest, I don't give a damn about what the old senile man is chirping now. I enjoy life, I am glad that our country has such a wonderful President Vladimir Putin.
    I don't want to remember Gorbachev's past.
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 17 October 2014 10: 12
      +7
      If you want - you don't want to ... You have to, Fedya (oh, I beg your pardon - "Lyolik"), you have to! .. love
      You have to remember, otherwise you will have to wait in line again from 4 o'clock in the morning, carry water in buckets to the five-story buildings of the "Czech" project ... Yes, there are many things to remember. And pass it on to children, grandchildren. They themselves could not fix something, build something - they may make our dreams come true. I want to believe. hi
  6. sigdoc
    sigdoc 17 October 2014 09: 50
    +3
    I wanted one more prize!
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2014 09: 50
    +3
    If until recently it was difficult to imagine that this person would allow himself at least some critical statement in relation to Washington and Western "democracy" in general, now it seems that Mikhail Sergeyevich has been replaced.

    Everything is simple here. Gorbachev understands that he will soon appear before ... Therefore, he begins to quietly atone for sins. And he analyzes his actions not to please the West, but really.
  8. Aydar
    Aydar 17 October 2014 09: 50
    +14
    Gorbachev twice Judas, the first betrayed the USSR and the West to the second. If the USSR forgave him, although it despises him, then the West will not forgive him, the West is not so generous.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 October 2014 09: 58
      +19
      no one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.
    2. northern
      northern 18 October 2014 11: 41
      0
      yes, he is not needed either that or that, which is still worse for him.
  9. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 17 October 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Age. I decided to think about my soul and he felt scared.
  10. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 17 October 2014 09: 55
    +3
    It's too late, my friend, so stained that even after death you will not wash yourself. I despise this "consensus".
  11. user
    user 17 October 2014 09: 57
    +1
    But this "wall", excuse me, is for the suckers, for whom Yatsenyuk and Avakov are holding the representatives of the Ukrainian people.



    At this stage of the allergy showdown, this is the most correct observation, but people, many probably won't like it (by and large, there is a civil war), in this case there are extras. Remember one of the members of the forum wrote that he saw a large company, in one of the restaurants in Moscow, led by Surkov and the former leaders of the DPR (immediately after Strelkov's resignation) as they celebrated great success. It's all from the same story.
  12. Stoler
    Stoler 17 October 2014 09: 57
    +2
    Yes, it's scary to die with such a load, that's all.
  13. Celmz
    Celmz 17 October 2014 09: 59
    +3
    Marked Judas, let his conscience wake up, so that he suffers until the end of his life, damned traitor.
  14. 0255
    0255 17 October 2014 10: 00
    +6
    Well, has anyone changed their attitude towards Gorbachev for the better after his anti-Western speeches?
    What he is now saying about the West should have been said in 1985 ...
  15. __HOPMAH__
    __HOPMAH__ 17 October 2014 10: 00
    +2
    Insight of an idiot
  16. Samurai3X
    Samurai3X 17 October 2014 10: 02
    +7
    It is foolish to think that the USSR collapsed because of Gorbachev. He played the role of Nicholas II for the Soviet Empire. You can’t trample against the party. And the majority in the party was in favor of the collapse of the USSR. That is why it happened (collapse), and not because Gorbachev decided so.
    So the former workers and peasants, the glorified "proletariat" in the party and merged the USSR. The difference between them and the intelligentsia turned out to be very small, although there are sound thoughts in Lenin's works.
    Gorbachev, as a self-sufficient person, was extremely weak and more fulfilled the will of others. He no longer listened to his own opinion, but to Yakovlev, Shevardnadze and others.
    1. 0255
      0255 17 October 2014 10: 30
      +3
      I read somewhere that Gorbachev sold his girlfriend Margaret Thatcher a map of the USSR missile bases back in 1982, so you shouldn't make him a victim of other corrupt creatures of the times of perestroika.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 17 October 2014 15: 09
        +2
        If I had sold. Gave it!
      3. Samurai3X
        Samurai3X 18 October 2014 14: 20
        0
        I spoke the role. This does not mean that he was the same as Nicholas 2.
        Or do you think they just gave these cards to Gorbachev and gave them by his own decision?
      4. Samurai3X
        Samurai3X 18 October 2014 14: 26
        0
        I am not making an innocent lamb out of him, but I am 100% sure that those who really (from the party) ruined the USSR calmly lived or are living out their days, and here on the site that there is no post about Gorbachev, then shoot, etc. It is necessary to look at the root of the problem, and not at its screen.
    2. zorch
      zorch 17 October 2014 10: 34
      +1
      There are people who make history. The fate of millions of people depends on them. Just because of the circumstances of their situation. They must understand this.
      Some go down in history, and the tagged one "plunged" into it. Of course, the course of events depends not only on this one person, but he also put his hand.
  17. patriot-rf
    patriot-rf 17 October 2014 10: 02
    +3
    this spotted donkey, he feels his imminent end. Therefore, he tries to justify himself at least to himself. He will no longer deceive anyone with his nasty rhetoric. He will soon hold an answer before the Almighty, but he, as usual, is not a fraer. IMHO.
  18. Severomor
    Severomor 17 October 2014 10: 05
    +4
    Looks like he hopes to settle on Vagankovsky and with a monument to be honored by the descendants.
    They don't bury them in the Kremlin wall, otherwise they would swing there too.
    And what? Mzht and it will turn out, with the Order No. 1 of Russia it was a ride.
    It is not destiny for the Russian people to see the judgment, the curse and the execution!
    And do not forget for a minute: The system is oligarchic capitalism, the capitalist goes to any crime for the sake of 300% of the profit!
  19. UralMan
    UralMan 17 October 2014 10: 07
    -5
    From a letter from Lenin to Gorky (1919):
    The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle to overthrow the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, and lackeys of capital, who consider themselves to be the brains of the nation. In fact, it is not the brain, but g ...

    Let it be banned, but I will express it ... I am patient for this NO
    He himself SHIT lies there still stinks ...
    When they take it out and bury it ...
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 17 October 2014 10: 48
      0
      The answer to those who minus!
      These are clearly ardent communists!
      What don't you like?
      So your sit in the State Duma and smoke bamboo.
      Adherents.
      Where is Zyuganov's humanitarian aid to Donbass to Novorossiya?
      Some slogans.
      Maybe I missed the information about the Communist Humanities?
      Give me your ratings ... minus
      I expressed my personal opinion, it may differ from other opinions.
      Say hello to your hunchback ...
      my opinion is to judge him for the collapse of the state in favor of the United States.
    2. UralMan
      UralMan 17 October 2014 14: 35
      -3
      Here - ALREADY TESTS YOU!
      it was (-1) became (-3) ...
      For an hour I'll add some more butter ...
      So, according to Orthodox canons ... atheists.
      it is necessary to say goodbye to the deceased body:
      -wash
      - dress in clean
      -in a domino to attach
      - to sing in the church (like to invite the priest)
      - cry
      -deal in the ground
      -memorate (what God sent)
      Here THIS is not only divine but also human.
      And what about you, God forgive me ...
      What did:
      laundered, dressed, put in a coffin, sang the International (while they sang and said goodbye, a lot of people froze and passed to death a shabosh staged)
      Further, it is even worse - they gutted the gut and took out the brains (to study what he has more gray or what else?)
      They built a stone hut - WHERE WHERE? The place is SINNESS ... The forehead place of the head there was chopped off with the blood of wine and non-wine people.
      Therefore, it is RED.
      Centuries are needed to fill in a place, not to bury people ...
      SIN IS BIG
      THIS IS THIS SIN THAT IS NOW WALKING IN RUSSIA
      THE ORTHODOX PEOPLE IN THE DISCUSSION
      CANNOT LEAVE

      FORGET GOD WITH YOU!
      AND FROM MY THOUGHTS I WILL NOT GET BACK
    3. UralMan
      UralMan 18 October 2014 09: 12
      0
      That's it!
      I see you are sick of it.
      That so amicably "increase" my rating.
      I'll tell you one thing stupidly minus anyone can.
      All the same, maybe you will speak out against my convictions.
      Let the people discuss your thoughts.
      I look quietly, poke the button (-), and rejoice on the sly.
      It all reminds of the hard-drinking-communist times.
      Silently with his head bowed at a meeting to raise his hand "for", and at home to get drunk and with a neighbor to "wash the bones" of dear Leonid Brezhnev ..
      That's what it is.
      I'm waiting for your reaction.
      Best regards, UralChel.
  20. 3vs
    3vs 17 October 2014 10: 08
    +3
    The man is 83 years old.
    Maybe I was thinking in my old age, what they say I have done!
    Whom did you trust!
    1. pr 627
      pr 627 17 October 2014 10: 23
      +8
      It is not shameful to grow wiser by the age of 83. But to be a fool at 50 and at the same time the head of state is criminal.
      1. 3vs
        3vs 17 October 2014 10: 30
        +2
        But do we not see the euphoria of local "establishments" in Ukraine?
        from the west?
        Both the young and the middle and the elderly think that the west will feed and warm them
        for free!
        So uncle Misha is not the first and the last.
        But this is already history and we need to live on and not make such mistakes in the future.
  21. sherman1506
    sherman1506 17 October 2014 10: 09
    +1
    And what is there to think, the sponsors closed the financial tap and their bins were empty.
  22. driver
    driver 17 October 2014 10: 13
    +2
    Yes, there is no epiphany! It's just that with such a load of sins behind the soul (if he has one, which is extremely doubtful), it's scary to die. So he is trying to pray for at least a little bit. Although, pitiful attempts are in vain. Judas he is Judas.
  23. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 17 October 2014 10: 15
    +14
    Hello!
  24. silver169
    silver169 17 October 2014 10: 15
    +4
    Recovered, old stump. Isn't it too late? For Humpbacked, there is only one medicine - a bullet in the head, for all his sins.
  25. alexandrovich
    alexandrovich 17 October 2014 10: 18
    +4
    What a conscience he has, all the time of his opinions and decisions has passed! now he needs to grow cucumbers and tomatoes in silence! hi
  26. Aydar
    Aydar 17 October 2014 10: 22
    +2
    Quote: INVESTOR
    There is no forgiveness for the hunchback !!! Millions of dead people are on his conscience. For me he is on a par with Hitler ..

    Gorbachev is also the reason why the peoples of the formerly united USSR became enemies to each other, including because of Gorbachev, the Russians fought with the Chechens, and now with the Ukrainians, and in the future it is possible they will fight with the Belarusians. Gorbachev is the poison that poisoned the USSR and now continues to infect and poison what is left. This should be buried as soon as possible, or burned altogether, and the ashes should be scattered in the wind.
    1. Silumin
      Silumin 17 October 2014 11: 19
      0
      This was the fault of the national policy of the USSR, which cultivated the nationalism of small peoples. And the national elites of the republics that were part of the USSR. The USSR fed and nurtured the national elite of these republics from the very beginning of its formation, thereby planting a time bomb in the integrity of the country.
      Note that it was not the RSFSR that sent everyone in three letters (it simply granted the right to secede from the USSR), it was the national elite of the national republics that sent the RSFSR.

      PS Putin is doing the same - flirting with the local national elites, hammering a big bolt on the state that forms the ethnos.
  27. Silumin
    Silumin 17 October 2014 10: 25
    +7
    To be honest, what did Gorbachev do wrong?


    According to the law, he did everything correctly and perfectly. He even held a referendum on the preservation of the USSR.

    But alas, most of those sitting here at VO voted for Yeltsin.

    By the way samurai3x is right, the very same party nomenclature merged the USSR and profited from it.

    PS Continue not to see beyond your nose.
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  28. zorch
    zorch 17 October 2014 10: 26
    +2
    The Great Ukrainian Rabbit Wall (VUKS) is needed so that rabbits do not run to Russia)).
  29. parusnik
    parusnik 17 October 2014 10: 31
    +2
    Gorbachev changed?.. Apparently the conscience of the decel remained ... so she eats it at night ... With the name of a traitor ... it's not a hunt to die ...
  30. Aydar
    Aydar 17 October 2014 10: 34
    +6
    Quote: Silumin
    To be honest, what did Gorbachev do wrong?


    According to the law, he did everything correctly and perfectly. He even held a referendum on the preservation of the USSR.

    But alas, most of those sitting here at VO voted for Yeltsin.

    By the way samurai3x is right, the very same party nomenclature merged the USSR and profited from it.

    PS Continue not to see beyond your nose.

    Gorbachev did everything possible to ensure that "the majority of those sitting here at VO voted for Yeltsin." By the way, not in a referendum, the majority voted for the preservation of the USSR and formally legally the USSR continues to exist, simply failing to legally formalize the termination of the USSR, the Belovezhskaya Troika replaced this document, with another - on sovereignty.
    Nashchet that "the party nomenclature and merged", who argues with this? Especially with the fact that the incarnation and head of the "party nomenklatura" Marked Bear was.
    In general, study as a schoolboy, study recent history before teaching others how to "look beyond your own nose."
    1. Silumin
      Silumin 17 October 2014 11: 00
      0
      All that you have written above is your subjective opinion based on resentment.

      You do not admit your mistake of choice, but you will blame everything on the scapegoat.
      First of all, they merged their own Gorbachev.

      So Gorbachev changed it? Or, after all, the Belovezhskaya Troika?
      1. UralMan
        UralMan 18 October 2014 19: 33
        0
        All that you have written above is your subjective opinion based on resentment.

        WELL DONE
        SO THEIR GENERALS OF UMNIKOV
  31. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 17 October 2014 10: 35
    +15
    Coma, you are now needed with your confession! Who can hear you now?
    The collapse of the USSR
    The collapse of the Warsaw Pact
    Destruction of Yugoslavia
    Destruction of Ukraine
    Chichena war
    Georgia 2008
    The collapse of the Russian economy
    Collapse of the army
    Rampant banditry (90g)
    Government corruption that goes off scale
    Thousands of homeless
    Hundreds of thousands killed in Europe and the territories of the former USSR
    This is all your creation - the consequences of your restructuring.
    And as he bathed in the rays of "glory", he waved his pen.
    So the only good thing you can do is hide and so that no one sees or hears about you.
    I do not propose to shoot, because "Death is a great honor that must be earned"!
    And you have NO honor, like merit!
    1. Silumin
      Silumin 17 October 2014 15: 15
      -2
      The USSR would have collapsed anyway, as a raw material economy, with a hypertrophied military-industrial sector and destroyed agriculture. Country food insecure faced a financial crisis - oil prices fell. Money ceased to flow to the treasury, the state debt began to grow, food products ceased to be purchased (the notorious shortage). In order to somehow improve the situation within the country, you need to take out a loan, but alas, the more public debt, the less willingly the country is given on credit. The only way out in the USSR was to reduce the state debt by reducing military spending, while it was impossible to close enterprises stupidly, since millions of people would be left without work, the most optimal solution was the conversion of military enterprises (and people work, and less costly but more profitable pots are produced ).

      But this was a half-measure, in order to at least somehow keep the country, the economy needed to be transitioned to capitalist rails and society reformatted for new rails. This required money. Also, everyone knows that the West does not give money just like that, but gives it on certain conditions. Naturally, Gorbaty had a choice - to make concessions from the West and save the USSR, or not to make concessions from the West and screw up the USSR.
      He chose the first option, made concessions to the West, and legally preserved the USSR. But this did not help to save the USSR, in fact, since it was too late to do all these transformations (there is no money, the state debt is large, no one gives credit, the population is starving), the national elites in the localities sang "we are feeding Moscow" and the population itself has experienced everything delights of scarcity.

      So this is not the fault of one person, but the fault of the entire system, from the economic and political structure to the social structure and national politics.
      1. solvi
        solvi 17 October 2014 23: 45
        0
        "Troubles must come into the world, but woe to those through whom they come."
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 18 October 2014 12: 12
        0
        The minus is not mine, but I support the one who put it to you, since the first paragraph of your opus is not at all true and rather wishful thinking.
        The collapse of the USSR was a well-planned operation carried out with the support of corrupt representatives in power. If not for these moles, the USSR would still be in good health. The situation in China at that time was much worse.
        An attempt to whitewash Humpback (So it's not just one person's fault, but ...) is also not convincing, since he was the conductor and performer of ideas inspired by Western "advisers" who struck as you write ...ranging from the economic and political structure, and ending with the social structure and national policy.
        The fact that Humpback was fostered by the United States is a book with a biography of Gorbachev published in the United States, 15 days after he became president. When would they have time to write, layout and print it? I think that in advance, but already knowing that there will be HE.
  32. Bormental
    Bormental 17 October 2014 10: 48
    +2
    Separate us from the ukrofedoras.
  33. Antiaircrafter
    Antiaircrafter 17 October 2014 10: 56
    +1
    I remember at the end of the 80s there was a bike that supposedly the last Tsar of the USSR would be the Mishka Marked. It turned out to be true. I wonder in what departments of the CIA this bike was born?
  34. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 17 October 2014 11: 10
    +3
    Apparently he feels the end is approaching, he decided to begin to atone for sins, he is looking for a consensus with the people of Russia, it will not work, Judas will remain Judas and will not wait for a petition, such crimes against his own people cannot be rehabilitated, he is destined to die under the fence of the West.
  35. jurijsv
    jurijsv 17 October 2014 11: 11
    +2
    May God grant him health, that he would live to see the trial
  36. Sidel45
    Sidel45 17 October 2014 11: 13
    +3
    Whatever Gorbach said, no matter how he represented himself, for me he was, is and will be a bastard and a traitor to the Motherland, who destroyed the socialist camp and the Warsaw Pact, and laid the foundation for the collapse of the USSR. In addition, the collapse of the Union's economy and bringing the population almost to starvation is also his merit.
  37. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 17 October 2014 11: 19
    +2
    there is a theory that it was not necessary to put at the head of the government a person with the name Humpbacked
  38. postoronim V
    postoronim V 17 October 2014 11: 20
    +3
    What for here are the words of this bastard. To declare him persona non grata in Russia, although I understand that this is a precedent in considering actions after time has given an assessment, but this one deserved.
  39. koksalek
    koksalek 17 October 2014 11: 39
    +4
    Judas gave his voice with the permission of the overseas owners. Yes, only for the majority he was a traitor and will remain.
  40. Diviz
    Diviz 17 October 2014 12: 12
    +1
    knows what kind of people stand for anti-Russian sanctions. but I had to think before. and he wanted to manage the combine as well as the country. if you can’t do it and nnfig was to climb.
  41. Dan1975
    Dan1975 17 October 2014 12: 16
    +1
    And before that I was thinking ...
  42. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 17 October 2014 12: 17
    +4
    Most of all I liked the opinion of the Chinese comrades. I started in which I did not understand anything and was completely incompetent. There was nothing behind his speeches. For a leader of such magnitude it is criminal and tragic, which is what happened. A leader must be, if not perspicacious, then competent and gather in its own team, competent, knowledgeable people. China began its two perestroika in 1978, we started in 1985 and who ended up where. And how different we had launching sites. This story should be known as the Second World War in order to never get into trouble. Never, the price is too high.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 18 October 2014 00: 40
      +1
      Disagree, colleague. He understood everything and knew what the result should be. And there are NO naive politicians. They are eliminated even at distant approaches.
  43. Bassoon
    Bassoon 17 October 2014 12: 18
    +1
    Something I don't recognize Marked in make-up .... Decided to repent? Late. You have no forgiveness, hunchback.
  44. upsarin
    upsarin 17 October 2014 12: 21
    0
    Damn it, if it becomes downwind, it is clear why the USSR was destroyed ...

    The leader ("including the former") must have a clear understanding of the situation, the consequences and options for its solution ...

    And Gorbachev went on a campaign - where the breeze blew - and flew there ... Just not smart enough and pragmatic?
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 18 October 2014 00: 38
      +1
      He just began to earn money as a political prostitute.
  45. nnz226
    nnz226 17 October 2014 12: 35
    +1
    I will not say anything about Gorbachev, but about the "great Ukrainian wall" - it’s something the ukroprikordonniki will have more work to do: guard the wall so that the villagers do not pull it apart into metal!
  46. dimasialyt
    dimasialyt 17 October 2014 12: 45
    +1
    The laureate simply sensed that it was time to dry the oak boards. Death is not far off. But, even the last scoundrel does not want to die a scoundrel. So, sly-eyed, I decided to give out a lot, a lot of good in the end - maybe it will be counted! Only this is not in his case, gonorrhea is not treated with potassium permanganate and prayers!
  47. spinner
    spinner 17 October 2014 12: 55
    0
    Yes, it's time for him to think about the eternal
  48. Roman_999
    Roman_999 17 October 2014 13: 01
    +3
    I saw it, it happens before death. The darkness of life recedes, everything becomes clear. But I cannot wish good luck, peace, happiness and especially peace to this person. I do not know what he was guided by when he destroyed, but what he did cannot be forgiven. Not a bottom for him, not a tire, let the earth not accept, I said everything.
  49. wulf66
    wulf66 17 October 2014 13: 09
    +2
    Judas must live to see the trial, so long years marked and good health. And his sayings ... the clock does not tick back.
  50. avryz
    avryz 17 October 2014 13: 18
    +1
    They all (the opposition "our") sensed something, apparently ...