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Huge interest in KAZ "Trophy"

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Huge interest in KAZ "Trophy"


At the AUSA conference, the head of the department of land and sea weapons systems, Raphael, said: "The indestructible rock" is considered a breakthrough, because for the first time in the military stories the active defense system paid off in fierce battles. "

"After Operation Enduring Rock," a huge interest in the system of active protection of vehicles, Trophy, arose in the world, head of the land and sea weapons systems department Rafael Giora Katz said in a special interview with Israel Defense before opening the main defense exhibition in USA, in Washington.

Among the products of the company represented by Raphael, including the “Iron Dome”, and three versions of the active protection system - HV version for heavy vehicles, MV version for “medium” cars and LV version for cars.

Katz says "Enduring Rock" aroused great interest in the system, especially the HV version, which passed the first substantial baptism of fire. Interest is shown not only to the “Iron Dome”, which has attracted the most media attention.

Katz added: "At this exhibition, we are focusing on products for protection and survival - active protection, as well as reactive protection, in which the Americans have vast experience acquired in Iraq and Afghanistan."



“Active protection will appear in new arenas around the world,” he said. “We believe that the situation we faced during Operation Unbreakable Rock was only a prelude compared to the threats that other armies would face Later, this may be very relevant for other armies as well. I feel very embarrassed, calling the "Enduring Rock" a "sales manager", but it is clear that the success of active defense in this conflict is "Iron Dome" against missiles and Trophy against anti-tank p ket - serves us great encouragement we received a lot of praise, and now there is a lot of interest to the "Trophy"..

Katz adds that in the past, there were successful interceptions of the Trophy system in daily activities around Gaza, but Operation Indestructible Rock is considered a breakthrough, because for the first time in military history, the active defense system proved itself in fierce battles. "



“We are very pleased with the results,” says Katz. “Dozens of our tanks were subject to thousands of shocks, and the system worked flawlessly. None of the tanks were injured, and there were no false positives. This is a technological achievement by Raphael and MAFAT, and we can all be very proud of it. "

Katz notes that Rafael designed the Trophy in collaboration with the IAI Elta, who provided a radar tracking attack missiles.
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  1. The Art of War
    The Art of War 17 October 2014 09: 15
    +4
    laughing If there is a huge interest in Trophy, then all wait, China will soon copy and will sell it at a reduced price.
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 17 October 2014 09: 17
    0
    Yes, this development deserves attention, it would be necessary for our designers to do something similar.
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 17 October 2014 09: 19
      +14
      So we have an arena.
      1. ny4ulo
        ny4ulo 17 October 2014 10: 27
        +7
        Of course, I am not an expert or a designer, but this is the puck above the tower, as I understood the main thing in the KAZ system, it is also susceptible to damage or destruction from conventional small arms, such a puck in a prominent place. don't want to shoot
      2. RBLip
        RBLip 17 October 2014 10: 31
        0
        Quote: The Art of War
        So we have an arena.

        and "Drozd" is available.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 October 2014 11: 34
        0
        Already a new version of the Arena has been shown.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 19
      +3
      it would be necessary for our designers to do something similar.

      You don't know about "Arena"?
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 11
        +4
        How many units of our armored vehicles are equipped with KAZ? Huh? We always develop a lot, bring a little and implement a little. The problem of our inventions since the Soviet era. Unfortunately .. Now a new thing has gone into the army, but it’s impossible to talk about mass character from the perspective of KAZ installations. And about KAZ for light armored vehicles and cars, there’s no sense even talking, I didn’t even see anything in the project. If not, correct it.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 13
          -1
          Are we arguing that there are such developments or that such developments are not on all tanks?
          If that: Israel essentially fights constantly, so equipping their armored vehicles as in wartime. Tell me, what is the point of carrying KAZ to Russian tanks in peacetime?
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 19
            +8
            Yeah .. will we start producing again when wartime comes? When will hundreds of tanks and thousands of people be lost? What is this ridiculous reasoning? We, they say, also have! Where? On the bench and in experimental samples? It's like not. Nobody will give us time to swing now. Again "along the way" do you propose to start production and installation?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 22
              0
              Again "along the way" do you propose to start production and installation?

              I would set everything up right away, do it, set it up and train it. Honestly! But where to get so much money?
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 27
                +2
                But I do not even see the beginning of the process in KAZ? Only blah blah .. (((
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 33
                  0
                  Other priorities now. Nobody is threatening us right. There is no talk of ground-based military operations. But strategically, one can already hear speeches about a meeting with Russian troops. So where is the money needed?
                  1. Mairos
                    Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 38
                    0
                    Do you think that they are about atomic warfare? Damn bald - rather, it can happen on the Ukrainian fields and, mind you, without any Boreev and Virginia, namely tanks, infantry and artillery
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 48
                      +1
                      Damn bald - rather, it can happen on the Ukrainian fields and, mind you, without any Boreev and Virginia, namely tanks, infantry and artillery

                      Yah? And who is so brave? Would Lithuania and Estonia help Ukraine? Notice, I didn’t drag Ukraine into it ... Is it on this side at all?
                      1. Mairos
                        Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 55
                        0
                        Do you really believe that the United States and NATO are preparing for a NUCLEAR war with Russia - they are not and not suicides. At the same time, of course, no one cancels nuclear deterrence.
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 11: 00
                        +3
                        Do you really believe that the US and NATO are preparing for a NUCLEAR war with Russia

                        I do not believe, but with a ground invasion, they also will not pull. To begin with, they need to create a group in Europe, but you can’t hide this.
                      3. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 11: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        ]
                        I do not believe, but with a ground invasion, they also will not pull. To begin with, they need to create a group in Europe, but you can’t hide this.

                        Are you sure that through the 3-4 of the year the BTV RA will not have to conduct battles in the SRz? After all, it is possible that Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan will need direct military assistance.
                      4. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 11: 13
                        0
                        Are you sure that through the 3-4 of the year the BTV RA will not have to conduct battles in the SRz?

                        Such information is within the competence of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, if I am not mistaken. With a high probability of such actions, equipping KAZ tanks participating in the operation will be a matter of several months. In addition, KAZ is far from always needed, and good dynamic armor is enough.
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 17 October 2014 11: 39
                        0
                        And KAZ for our tanks is already being bought by several hundred in warehouses.
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 17 October 2014 11: 38
                        0
                        In combat conditions, these clusters of NATO groups will be an excellent target for tactical and cruise missiles.
                      7. Mairos
                        Mairos 17 October 2014 11: 51
                        0
                        Tactical and cruise missiles are hit on point targets (communication centers, KPUs, expensive equipment such as radar and PU missiles, etc.), they are ineffective to defeat troop groups
                      8. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 17 October 2014 15: 45
                        0
                        Military bases and concentration of troops - temporarily stationary position and cruise missiles can be retargeted in flight.
                      9. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 17 October 2014 20: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Damn bald - rather, it can happen on the Ukrainian fields and, mind you, without any Boreev and Virginia, namely tanks, infantry and artillery

                        Yah? And who is so brave? Would Lithuania and Estonia help Ukraine? Notice, I didn’t drag Ukraine into it ... Is it on this side at all?

                        And you look south, the Iraq-Syria-Turkey triangle ... What is not a threat ??? I agree, it’s not located on our borders like Ukraine, but still not so far away.
          2. Professor
            17 October 2014 10: 33
            +7
            Quote: Wedmak
            Tell me, what is the point of carrying KAZ to Russian tanks in peacetime?

            Do not be offended if I take it to the quote book? Well like "Tell me, what is the point of carrying KAZ to Russian tanks in peacetime?" Or " Tell me, what is the meaning of the tower of Russian tanks in peacetime?" Well Tell me, what's the point of carrying armor to Russian tanks in peacetime?" wink
            1. Mairos
              Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 36
              +2
              Well, I almost wanted to tell him. You need to wear a bronik before you get shot through the liver. Murderous logic is expensive, like. New tanks are also expensive, why the heck to develop them.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 45
                +1
                Murderous logic is expensive, like. New tanks are also expensive, why the heck to develop them.

                Do not distort. There will be pre-war time, put on stream. And you need to develop new tanks at least based on the aging of old ones.
                1. Mairos
                  Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 50
                  +2
                  How long does it take to equip a couple of thousand tanks? This is the most complicated system, it is integral with the tank's FCS, the electronics are solid there !! This is not an RPG grill! Well, what are you as a child !? She - she ..
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 55
                    +1
                    This is the most complicated system, it is integral with the tank's FCS, the electronics are solid there !!

                    But what, isn’t it? Radar, computer, combat elements.
                    Well, what are you as a child !?

                    Yeah .. the grid on the tank and the child will put, but KAZ only the plant.
                    1. Mairos
                      Mairos 17 October 2014 11: 04
                      +5
                      Plin ... ((((How many people will fall and how much equipment we will lose until your "stream" saturates the troops. The experience of the Second World War did not teach anything, then, too, everyone was shouting - the Red Army is the strongest. And then there were almost a year and a half of zvizdyulya, loss of territory and millions of dead.Yes, in the end we won, but the price !!! And now we will not be able to repeat even 30% what the USSR could do - then there was a rigid vertical, a mobilization type of economy, and now oligarchs and managers are the first to take the money away and will run away together with the second. And where will you get the money, in the "pre-war period"? And without them today no one will fart, even the loss of sovereignty, even the atomic war - they will count "debit-credit". And the people today - 20% percent for the hillock will burst, under the sauce "we will not die for the oligarchs." So let's learn to think ahead, and not when "the cock bites in the ass"
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 12: 15
                        0
                        But in your opinion, what is being done now? New equipment, planes, helicopters, ships, armored vehicles arrives in the troops, drones and equipment are tested in the troops. New ammunition appeared, rockets. Few? The budget is not rubber. As for the tanks, they upgrade 72 and wait for Armata.
                        Do not forget, Armata is a platform, and a global transition to it is being prepared in the form of new tanks, TBTR, TBMP, SAM and others. And this is a huge cost for the conversion of plants.
                        Yes, and the people today - 20% percent for the hillock will tear, under the sauce "we will not die for the oligarchs"

                        Unfortunately, there have always been such ...
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 17 October 2014 11: 42
                      +1
                      The child will put the lattice only to the point of it will be zero.
                2. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 17 October 2014 20: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  There will be pre-war time, put on stream.

                  what are you ??? belay An example of the Great Patriotic War did not teach anything?
            2. Wedmak
              Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 43
              +1
              Do not be offended if I take it to the quote pad?

              Take it, just do not confuse the very expensive KAZ with structural elements and the necessary armor. And then I can also ask why Israeli soldiers all the time to carry with them an automatic machine WITHOUT cartridges. I saw in the pictures, yes ...
              1. Professor
                17 October 2014 11: 10
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                Take it, just do not confuse the very expensive KAZ with structural elements and the necessary armor.

                Tell me, what's the point of carrying armor to Russian tanks in peacetime? This, by orders of magnitude, increases fuel consumption ... laughing

                Quote: Wedmak
                And then I can also ask why Israeli soldiers all the time to carry with them an automatic machine WITHOUT cartridges. I saw in the pictures, yes ...

                With an assault rifle, there is ALWAYS at least one magazine with 29 rounds (why not 30? wink ).
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 17 October 2014 11: 16
                  -4
                  Tell me, what's the point of carrying armor to Russian tanks in peacetime?

                  You see a small troll. Besides stupid, if you ask such things.
              2. Dan4eG
                Dan4eG 17 October 2014 11: 12
                +1
                Why should Israeli soldiers carry a machine gun WITHOUT cartridges all the time.

                Well, I don’t believe it! Let me see it!
            3. MACCABI TLV
              MACCABI TLV 17 October 2014 22: 11
              -1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Vadim237 Today, 11: 39 ↑
              And KAZ for our tanks is already being bought by several hundred in warehouses.

              take one more.
        2. Cron1982
          Cron1982 17 October 2014 11: 17
          +2
          How did you decide that everything is worth it on Western models? For some reason I hear "but in the west" everywhere. I assure you, there is no less mess in the west, and they know how to wag their tongues. As you do not look at history, so all Western is the best in the world, the best, but the fighting dot the and the top.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 17 October 2014 11: 54
            +1
            I don’t care what is in the West, I want us to have an effective protection system.
    3. Ptah
      Ptah 17 October 2014 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: Thought Giant
      it would be necessary for our designers to do something similar.

      Enta "thought" claims to be "gigantism" ... yes
      1. i80186
        i80186 17 October 2014 09: 50
        0
        Yes, the radar is a worthy solution, especially if the enemy is not a Palestinian. It included a company of radars, a dozen missiles from a tornado arrived, with mines of anti-tank and shock nucleoli. Beauty, the right thing on tanks, yeah. laughing
        1. Professor
          17 October 2014 09: 56
          +5
          Quote: i80186
          It included a company of radars, a dozen missiles from a tornado arrived, with mines of anti-tank and shock nucleoli.

          Do they already exist?

          Quote: i80186
          Beauty, the right thing on tanks, yeah.

          A funeral for parents of tankers is a more necessary thing and most importantly cheaper. Yes? wink
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 02
            +1
            Do they already exist?

            Yes. And anti-tank mines (9М55К4) and self-aiming elements (9М55К1). And a few more options for unpleasant gifts.
            1. Professor
              17 October 2014 10: 08
              +4
              Quote: Wedmak
              Yes.

              Homing on Trophy Radar Radiation?
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 17
                +1
                Homing on Trophy Radar Radiation?

                No, as far as I remember, guidance on the infrared trace of the engine. Which actually does not change the essence. Trophy radars can detect other cars and transmit the coordinates of the MLRS.
                1. Mairos
                  Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 26
                  +1
                  Do you understand what the difference is? One needs to be detected, then transferred to others, then those must shoot. Chain! A chain of actions instead of a local complex standing on EVERY car! And what if the battle is in the city? Will you notice a lot? And the effectiveness of MLRS should not be exaggerated - not a panacea. Believe me, in urban ruins, all distant weapons (all the more so requiring the exchange of information) lose their effectiveness very much.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 31
                    0
                    To go nuts, you introduce more and more new conditions.
                    One needs to be detected, then transferred to others, then those must shoot. Chain!

                    Zoo + Artillery Division + MLRS perfectly work on the enemy standing in the open. With MLRS in the city - this is to dill, they are lovers of kneading everything, there are above the surface of the earth.

                    . Believe me, in urban ruins, all remote weapons (all the more so requiring the exchange of information) lose their effectiveness very much

                    Yeah ... Therefore, tanks in urban battles are not particularly effective. From any window a bearded muzzle with a vampire can stick out.
                    1. Mairos
                      Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 43
                      0
                      Well ... the issue with bearded snouts from the window should be decided by the infantry)) And it can successfully solve it! Did you even serve in the army? I've been serving - in the infantry and in intelligence. If you have an understanding of the LITERARY battle tactics in the city, then you will not write about the low efficiency of the tank. Another thing is that it should be applied there in a fundamentally different way than in the field.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 50
                        0
                        Well .. the issue with bearded snouts from the window should be decided by the infantry)) And it can successfully solve it!

                        I agree.
                        you won’t write about the low efficiency of the tank.

                        Without support, the tanks in the city are steel coffins.
                        Another thing is that it should be applied there in a fundamentally different way than in the field.

                        I agree, I just did not fully express my thought.
                    2. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 18 October 2014 03: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: Wedmak

                      Yeah ... Therefore, tanks in urban battles are not particularly effective. From any window a bearded muzzle with a vampire can stick out.

                      So after all, this is the main task (and the initial reason) of the development of KAZ Trophy!
                      To avoid the factor of "bearded muzzle with Vampire", and as a result to make the YES tank "especially effective" in urban battles. (Which, in principle, was achieved)
                2. Professor
                  17 October 2014 10: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  No, as far as I remember, guidance on the infrared trace of the engine.

                  Well? Komrad decided to shoot with homing over the KAZ radars.

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Trophy radars can detect other cars and transmit the coordinates of the MLRS.

                  Yeah? And do not tell me which cars?
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 53
                    +1
                    Well? Komrad decided to shoot with homing over the KAZ radars.

                    Professor, don’t make a fool of yourself. With homing hits the tank, and from above, and in the engine or tower.
                    Yeah? And do not tell me which cars?

                    And what about your electronic warfare machine?
                    1. Professor
                      17 October 2014 11: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Professor, don’t make a fool of yourself. With homing hits the tank, and from above, and in the engine or tower.

                      I’m asking you a specific question: are you going to shell him with such ammunition homing on the tank’s radar? As far as I know, in nature there are none.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      And what about your electronic warfare machine?

                      What kind of electronic warfare machines will populate the radiation of the AFAR Trophy and direct the MLRS on it?
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 11: 17
                        0
                        I ask you a specific question:

                        Here you are stuck with one word ... I explained to you all a couple of posts back.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 October 2014 11: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    Well? Komrad decided to shoot with homing over the KAZ radars.

                    Actually, there was no talk of homing over KAZ.

                    Spotted by means of RTR and shoot. Not necessarily with expensive "tornado" missiles, there will be enough conventional barrel artillery.
            2. The Art of War
              The Art of War 17 October 2014 10: 35
              +1
              Video in the topic from 4m 50s
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 48
                +2
                You excuse me, but to give THIS transmission as an argument .. Bad form. "Smerch" is practically not inferior in power to nuclear weapons ... Yeah ... I cried, as they say
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 59
          +2
          It included a company of radars, a dozen missiles from a tornado arrived, with mines of anti-tank and shock nucleoli.

          Tornadoes still need to be in service. And trained people. And RPG anyone can pick up and press the start.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 16
            +3
            So absolute protection does not happen. Even a mortar mine, hitting a tower from above, can cause harm. So do nothing at all? People must be protected! It is necessary to break the traditions of attacks with a shout of Hurray for a long time - this cave technique is not relevant now. Yes, and with demography we have a shit, it’s high time to adopt the attitude of the Israeli army towards its soldiers. You can minus .. but why not learn good from everyone?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 18
              0
              People must be protected! It is necessary to break the traditions of attacks with a shout of Hurray for a long time - this cave technique is not relevant now.

              So no one argued with that. Only the problem is also the cost of use.
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 21
                +2
                I already answered above .. In your opinion, you need to start betting when losses go. Are there two few Chechen companies? We consider all loot?
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 26
                  0
                  Are there two few Chechen companies? We consider all the loot?

                  And I will answer you here:
                  Yeah .. let's not build submarines, ships and planes, but we’ll shove all the money to equip the tanks! Do you offer this? Or instead of 8 Boreev, build 5, and buy KAZs for the money saved?
                  Threat.
                  The first Chechen company directly showed that: 1) the tank lives very fast without dynamic armor. 2) a tank in urban conditions, even with dynamic armor generally does not live long. They washed themselves with blood and made conclusions. The second Chechen has already passed wisely.
                  1. Mairos
                    Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 34
                    +2
                    Borea is, of course, good. But here the Boreas will not help us if, God forbid, we again trample through the Caucasus or Central Asia, and we will have 30 Boreans, and people will die in the old T-72, as in Chechnya. It is necessary to find a balance, and not madly increase the strategists, scoring on current, but no less urgent tasks. The Boreas will not return the young boys to us, and without the peasants alive and healthy, Russia will more likely be driven away than from a theoretically possible, unknown when, nuclear strike.
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 58
                      0
                      God forbid, will trample again through the Caucasus or Central Asia

                      What trample something? Who!
                      It’s necessary to find a balance,

                      Well, actually it’s done. Are you sure that in the new tank on Armata, KAZ will not be integrated at all? I would do it like that. And the Arena is not a panacea either.
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 11: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Wedmak

                        What trample something? Who?.

                        ISIS may well throw a tentacle there.
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 11: 19
                        0
                        ISIS may well throw a tentacle there.

                        As abandoned, and chopped off. And even without KAZ.
                      3. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 18 October 2014 03: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        ISIS may well throw a tentacle there.

                        As abandoned, and chopped off. And even without KAZ.

                        Nobody argues that chopped off, the question - at what cost? Once again, having put thousands of young men in the ground, the truly Chechen companies did not teach some. Or are you going to chop these tentacles with nuclear missiles from Boreev?

                        1 KAZ costs less than half a buck, to equip at least 2000 tanks - on the strength of the 1.5 lard, ... 1% !!! from the defense budget of the Russian Federation for all 1 !!! year ..... But zinc boxes are certainly cheaper.
                      4. IS-80
                        IS-80 17 October 2014 11: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        What trample something? Who!


                        And you do not notice what kind of porridge brewed around the world? Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. The main blow is not against them. China, India, Russia and everyone who wants to join them is the main goal. The flow of refugees, militant groups, an attempt to undermine and weaken the state on a national, political and economic basis. Are you going to fight all these nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines with aircraft carriers?
                      5. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 17 October 2014 11: 29
                        0
                        Are you going to fight all these nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines with aircraft carriers?

                        Are you going to fight tanks with KAZ and BMP? You are already moving into the socio-political sphere, where the use of military equipment is fraught with casualties among the civilian population. Ukraine is a prime example.
                      6. IS-80
                        IS-80 17 October 2014 12: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Are you going to fight tanks with KAZ and BMP? You are already moving into the socio-political sphere, where the use of military equipment is fraught with casualties among the civilian population. Ukraine is a prime example.


                        Well, don't, huh? You perfectly understand what I mean. We used nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers in Chechnya? I do not argue that we need nuclear submarines and maybe aircraft carriers, but this is a means against a global threat, but what to do with local ones? And not only KAZ is needed, maybe it is not so badly needed as, say, new armored personnel carriers, drones, all sorts of armored vehicles, new equipment for soldiers such as "Ratnik", communications equipment, etc.
        3. Blondy
          Blondy 17 October 2014 10: 11
          0
          Once again, yeah, and if you also connect the electronic warfare ...
    4. Mairos
      Mairos 17 October 2014 10: 07
      +2
      And there is nothing to minus - the system was tested in real battles and really showed itself well. Although, of course, there could not have been any "thousands of strikes" in principle, there were interceptions, and there were many of them. A plus!
    5. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 October 2014 10: 15
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      this development deserves attention, it would be necessary for our designers

      This development has been advertised for a long time. And about our designers, others answered you. I add that the idea of ​​Trophy is taken from Soviet-Russian developments. What is stolen, what is of my own design, I will not say. I don’t know with high accuracy.
      And this is not the first time that the proxy has raised this topic. It smacks of advertising.
    6. Cron1982
      Cron1982 17 October 2014 11: 11
      0
      In fact, the USSR in the 50s began to develop active protection of armored vehicles. If it is not advertised, this does not mean that it is not. The whole world was very interested in our developments, I think I'm still interested. In the 90s, we took a lot of things for a penny, and now there are different variations of Soviet achievements here and there, but already under the auspices of scientific achievements of other countries.
    7. Dreamwriter
      Dreamwriter 17 October 2014 12: 04
      0
      As it were, our designers KAZ and invented. The last thing - "Afghanite", will go to Armat and Kurgan with Boomerangs.
  3. Ptah
    Ptah 17 October 2014 09: 17
    +4
    I offer universal epigraphs for "professor". Suitable for almost every infe he posted here.
    "To be Jewish means to see a threat in every goy - it means to be in constant combat readiness."
    "Fear is what sustains Jews as a collective entity ..."

    / Gilad Atzmon /

    Huge interest in KAZ "Trophy" ...

    Who? Who and what has learned from the above "article"?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 31
      +1
      Who and what has learned from the above "article"?

      All I saw was that the words "interest", "breakthrough" and "flawlessly" were repeated in different combinations. It's cool, of course, to say a lot of words, but not to say anything significant. Such people enrage.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 17 October 2014 09: 43
        -2
        Quote: Wedmak
        Enrage such people.

        "Israel is a Jewish state,
        and Jewry is an ethnocentric ideology conditioned by exclusivity, exclusivity, racial superiority and a deep innate predisposition to isolation. "

        / Gilad Atzmon (Gilad Atzmon) - Jewish scholar, publicist, musician, anti-Zionist, never a former anti-Semite /
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 58
          0
          And ... that is, when Obama speaks about the exclusivity of the American nation, it turns out that all Americans are Jews? smile
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 10: 03
          +3
          Quote: Ptah

          "Israel is a Jewish state,
          and Jewry is an ethnocentric ideology conditioned by exclusivity, exclusivity, racial superiority and a deep innate predisposition to isolation. "

          / Gilad Atzmon (Gilad Atzmon) - Jewish scholar, publicist, musician, anti-Zionist, never a former anti-Semite /

          For most Jews, Gilad Atzmon evokes the same feelings as most Russians in Novodvorskaya.)) And so the professor at Tel Aviv University said that he did not want to be considered a Jew anymore and taught nothing, as he taught. All of these are drummed.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 17 October 2014 10: 27
            -1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            no longer willing to be considered a Jew

            Hi Aronchik!
            But he did not say that he did not want to educate the Jews !. Therefore, everything is in place. Voluntarily from money and work, in Israel, probably no one has refused yet.
            1. MACCABI TLV
              MACCABI TLV 17 October 2014 22: 17
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              But he did not say that he did not want to educate the Jews !.

              let them declare that they do not need a salary from the Jews .....
        3. Mairos
          Mairos 17 October 2014 11: 09
          +2
          We are here about technology, strictly speaking, but you again .. "if there is no water in the tap .." Maybe that's enough?
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 11: 15
            +2
            Quote: Mairos
            We are here about technology, strictly speaking, but you again .. "if there is no water in the tap .." Maybe that's enough?

            There are people who have nothing more to say. Let them earn cheap authority from the anti-Semites.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 09: 57
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak

        All I saw was that the words "interest", "breakthrough" and "flawlessly" were repeated in different combinations. It's cool, of course, to say a lot of words, but not to say anything significant. Such people enrage.

        I am translating)), information from the head of weapons systems of SV "RAFAEL". He said that at the international arms exhibition in the United States, a lot of potential customers showed interest in the Israeli KAZ. You will be additionally informed about the signing of contracts. As for the effectiveness of the KAZ, here is a short message from 401 TBR, the only one that had it in service during ground battles.

        אתמול 30.7.2014/15/401 (שלישי) בשעות הבוקר התבצע היירוט ה -4 במספר של מערכת "מעיל רוח" בחטיבת השריון XNUMX מאז החל מבצע "צון יהת המערכת, שמטרתה לספק הגנה לטנק מרכבה סימן XNUMX מפני טילים נגד טנקים, נכנסה לשירות מבצעי בחטיבה שבפיקוד אלוף-משנה סער צור רק לאחהיה ר צור רק לאחהיה היא הצילה עד כה את חייהם של שני מפקדי גדודים בחטיבה, ששהו בטנק שלעברו שוגר טיל, וכן את חייהם של עשרות חיילים וקציניספ.

        Yesterday, the Trophy, mounted on tanks from the 401st brigade, carried out 15 interceptions since the start of the operation in Gaza. So far, it has prevented the death of dozens of tankers, including two battalion commanders of the 401 t / b, said the brigade commander, Colonel Saar Tzur.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 03
          +1
          Thanks. But I do not criticize the system, I criticize the way the material is presented.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 10: 19
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            ...

            But excuse me, Oleg perfectly translated the article and provided it with excellent photographs. Perhaps the manager came up with somewhat overestimated estimates, but is this the main thing in the article? For me, the article is one of the few in the discussion, to which the forum corresponds to its military-historical idea.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 35
              0
              There are no complaints against the translator and illustrator. But to the source ... Well, see for yourself, this is an advertisement for a color brochure ...
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 18 October 2014 03: 41
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                There are no complaints against the translator and illustrator. But to the source ... Well, see for yourself, this is an advertisement for a color brochure ...

                Some sort of pale advertisement, especially against the background of the styling of writing 90% of articles on military hardware about Russian technology.
                In this "advertisement" at least they do not write "no methanologists in the world" about every rivet and spring.
  4. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 October 2014 09: 19
    -6
    Against tandem ammunition from the RGD-7, no one has survived yet.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 17 October 2014 09: 23
      +4
      Quote: Barracuda
      RGD-7


      And what kind of superweapon is this?
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 17 October 2014 11: 15
        +2
        He had RPG-7 in mind. But I will upset him. KAZ does not care how much cumulative charges are consistently there, it does not "withstand" the attack, it destroys the ammunition.
        Before you write - study the topic. Now many in Russia are also conducting work, including a KAZ capable of shooting down sub-caliber shells. And this is more serious
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 28
      +3
      I don’t know what RGD-7 is, but even tandem ammunition can be hit by KAZ, because there is a destruction of the shot far enough from the armor. Plus still dynamic costs.
      1. Professor
        17 October 2014 10: 09
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        Plus still dynamic costs.

        Dynamic is not worth it.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 20
          +1
          Dynamic stands.

          I'm talking about Russian tanks.
          1. Professor
            17 October 2014 10: 40
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            I'm talking about Russian tanks.

            But in Russian KAZ is not worth it.
            Quote: Wedmak
            Plus still dynamic costs.

            So "plus" is not the topic.
            1. Dreamwriter
              Dreamwriter 17 October 2014 12: 13
              +1
              But in Russian KAZ is not worth it.

              On the T-90A - worth it.
              1. Professor
                17 October 2014 12: 14
                +1
                Quote: Dreamscripter
                On the T-90A - worth it.

                Yah?
                1. Dreamwriter
                  Dreamwriter 17 October 2014 14: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  Yah?

                  Well yes
                  1. MACCABI TLV
                    MACCABI TLV 17 October 2014 22: 20
                    -2
                    Quote: Dreamscripter
                    Well yes

                    on a linear tank? belay
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 October 2014 10: 35
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        even tandem ammunition can be hit by spacecraft

        Under one condition. The reloading mechanism is replaced by 100% electronic with a complete absence of mechanical parts and a speed of about 0, 005 sec. But, alas, microchips are not trained to replace ammunition on their own.
  5. Stoler
    Stoler 17 October 2014 09: 20
    +13
    "Dozens of our tanks were subjected to thousands of blows" - the Battle of Kursk nervously smokes on the sidelines.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 17 October 2014 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: Stoler
      "Dozens of our tanks were subjected to thousands of blows" - the Battle of Kursk nervously smokes on the sidelines.


      No lies all honestly. It also does not say that these were only strikes of shells, bombs and missiles.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 October 2014 09: 30
      +2
      Exactly,
      Dozens of our tanks were subject to thousands of hits.

      And when did you only have time to count bullets and fragments?
      You might think that their system has infinite ammunition!
      1. Themi30
        Themi30 17 October 2014 09: 42
        0
        “We are very pleased with the results,” says Katz. “Dozens of our tanks have been hit by thousands of hits, and the system worked flawlessly.

        We take at least 20 tanks and 2000 hits = 100 cartridges per tank (it’s already hard to push into the tank). This is 100 hits in the tank from all sides (because if all 100 in one side of the cartridges are not enough).
        No, they don’t lie at all, everything is fair.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 17 October 2014 09: 50
          -1
          Quote: TheMi30
          "We are very happy with the results," Katz says.

          So, it seems, "Kaz offered to surrender ..." (c) request
        2. yushch
          yushch 17 October 2014 09: 52
          0
          Yes, they still counted the blows with sticks and stones, and so it turned out thousands of blows. Changeling the hailing country in which he grew up at any opportunity deserves only contempt.
        3. Professor
          17 October 2014 10: 09
          +2
          Quote: TheMi30
          This is 100 hits in the tank from all sides (because if all 100 in one side of the cartridges are not enough).

          Where is it written about hits here? Do you know the word "exposed"? Punch through the dictionary.
          1. ultra
            ultra 17 October 2014 10: 17
            +1
            Well, you yourself translated so much about "dozens of tanks and thousands of strikes in which the system worked flawlessly" that you wrote and we are discussing. hi
            1. Professor
              17 October 2014 10: 43
              +3
              Quote: ultra
              Well, you yourself translated so much about "dozens of tanks and thousands of strikes in which the system worked flawlessly" that you wrote and we are discussing. hi

              Upps. repeat This editor corrected my clumsy translation. In my "original" dozens of tanks were exposed to thousands of militants. I apologize. hi
          2. Themi30
            Themi30 17 October 2014 10: 46
            +1
            I don't see any "exposed" in the article. Gdeee?
            So all that is NOT written to the piggy bank? Out of habit, consider yourself the smartest comrade. Professor?)
        4. IS-80
          IS-80 17 October 2014 10: 44
          0
          Quote: TheMi30
          We take at least 20 tanks and 2000 hits = 100 cartridges per tank (it’s already hard to push into the tank). This is 100 hits in the tank from all sides (because if all 100 in one side of the cartridges are not enough).
          No, they don’t lie at all, everything is fair.


          And now we read carefully and think. “We are very pleased with the results,” Katz says. “Dozens of our tanks were hit by thousands of hits and the system worked flawlessly. None of the tanks were injured and there were no false alarms. This is a technological achievement of Raphael and MAFAT, and we all can very proud of it. "
          Firstly, a blow may not reach the goal of a miss, a shortage, etc. secondly, it doesn’t say that the system shot down all the targets, but it could have been shells and missiles and bombs and bullets and fragments and gravel and other fragments of buildings from explosions and a pan thrown out of the window onto the tank with aggressive or not very targets. The system simply responded adequately to this all, and this is what they say.
          1. Themi30
            Themi30 17 October 2014 10: 50
            +1
            IS-80
            So they boast of excellent protection against stones, interestingly, I just did not think of it.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 17 October 2014 10: 54
              +1
              Quote: TheMi30
              So they boast of excellent protection against stones, interestingly, I just did not think of it.


              Not by stone protection, but by an adequate and efficient system operation.
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        5. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 17 October 2014 10: 52
          0
          Quote: TheMi30
          100 one way cassettes are not enough

          Have you noticed that behind each carrot an 8-meter trailer with ammunition for Trophy drags?
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 October 2014 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: Stoler
      Dozens of our tanks were subject to thousands of hits.

      There are more than enough stones in Gaza.
      And the next Nth time: You won’t praise yourself; you’ll walk like a spat upon you all day!
  6. Gbanderlog
    Gbanderlog 17 October 2014 09: 21
    -1
    Dozens of tanks suffered thousands of shots and millions of attacks. Another iron dome. The system is good, but as in and in any Peysono’s leaflet, the sun just outshines.
  7. The Art of War
    The Art of War 17 October 2014 09: 22
    0
    laughing What they do not write on their forums laughing And then we got used to our technology to fail am So let them sit on the forums.
  8. darksoul
    darksoul 17 October 2014 09: 30
    +3
    Quote: The Art of War
    If there is a huge interest in Trophy, then all wait, China will soon copy and will sell it at a reduced price.


    so, in my opinion, the Arena was the first development in this direction, they pulled it very quickly over our hill
    1. Professor
      17 October 2014 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: darksoul
      so, in my opinion, the Arena was the first development in this direction, they pulled it very quickly over our hill

      No. The Americans created the first KAZ.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 October 2014 11: 18
        +1
        Sorry, but this is not KAZ. This is an analogue of the Russian "curtain" It also says in the caption to the photo Smoke grenades
        1. Professor
          17 October 2014 11: 22
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Sorry, but this is not KAZ. This is an analogue of the Russian "curtain" It also says in the caption to the photo Smoke grenades

          Of course KAZ complex ACTIVE soft kill protection.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 October 2014 11: 31
            0
            No, dear, maybe some Americans have it the same thing, but here KAZ is one thing, and KOEP is another. And therefore the world's first KAZ-Soviet. It was called "Drozd" and was put into service in 1983, but unfortunately, due to the economic problems of the USSR, it was not installed on serial equipment.
            1. Professor
              17 October 2014 11: 47
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              And therefore, the world's first KAZ-Soviet

              And that is why the first Soviet "Soviet" KAZ is generally Soviet, since the words "Soviet" were not present in the Burshchuins? KAZ, he is also in the AFIKA Complex of Active Protection.

              Quote: Spade
              Called "Drozd", it was put into service in 1983, but unfortunately, due to economic problems of the USSR, it was not installed on serial equipment.

              I will not even show Israeli KAZs of the 1970s (soft kill, hard kill) because they are not Soviet and therefore not KAZs. wassat
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 17 October 2014 12: 02
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Israeli KAZs of the 1970s (soft kill, hard kill)

                Once again, soft-kill is not KAZ. We have established terminology. And you are trying to mix it with the English language and on the basis of this mixing you declare some kind of superiority.

                So that you do not juggle terms: the first in the world KAZ (hard kill APS) was the Leningrad "Rain", the first serial KAZ (hard kill APS) in the world was the Soviet "Drozd"
                1. Professor
                  17 October 2014 12: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  So that you do not juggle terms: the first in the world KAZ (hard kill APS) was the Leningrad "Rain", the first serial KAZ (hard kill APS) in the world was the Soviet "Drozd"

                  What terminology you can’t imagine so that you get a null analogue in the world.

                  Here from the distant 1970s, the Zionist ... well, I don’t know what to call it now. He could shoot all sorts of crap, including all sorts of exploding gizmos that destroy the attacking ammunition.

                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 17 October 2014 12: 41
                    +1
                    Well, again, dear ... "POMALS" is a complex of optical-electronic suppression. Never a KAZ and never capable of "destroying attacking ammunition"

                    What terminology you can’t imagine so that you get a null analogue in the world.
                    Try to refute. Using only Russian or only Western terminology. And not mixing them. Active Defense Complex Active Protective Systems
                    1. Professor
                      17 October 2014 12: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Well, again, dear ... "POMALS" is a complex of optical-electronic suppression. Never a KAZ and never capable of "destroying attacking ammunition"

                      Well of course. With no analogues in the world can not compete by definition. fellow However:
                      When a signal is detected, the POMALS instantly responds by launching smoke grenades, chaff and / or flares, decoys, anti-personnel grenades, high-explosive grenades or other special munitions.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 October 2014 12: 52
                        0
                        AND? You indicated that it is possible to cram into these mortars. Is this evidence that the complex was KAZ (hard kill APS)?
                      2. Professor
                        17 October 2014 12: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        AND? You indicated that it is possible to cram into these mortars. Is this evidence that the complex was KAZ (hard kill APS)?

                        There is no evidence. I did not see the intercepts myself. Was not. Did not participate ... request
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 October 2014 13: 07
                        +2
                        Of course not. Because this unit of mortars connected to UV sensors or sensors for detecting laser radiation was able to work only as a complex of optoelectronic suppression, firing smoke grenades or infrared traps.

                        But fragmentation and high-explosive grenades, as well as "special types of ammunition" (for example, with tear gas) had to be used manually for self-defense of the tank.
          2. IS-80
            IS-80 17 October 2014 11: 47
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Of course, KAZ is a complex of ACTIVE protection soft kill.


            Hmmmm, professor, why then smoke grenades and these same thermalflares didn’t understand by the way what it is like a countermeasure?
            1. Professor
              17 October 2014 12: 04
              +1
              Quote: IS-80
              Hmmmm, professor, why then smoke grenades and these same thermalflares didn’t understand by the way what it is like a countermeasure?

              KAZ determines the danger and automatically shoots countermeasures: hard kill- destroys the attacking ammunition, sosft kill- does not destroy it. The result is the same - the technique is saved. In the Zionists in the 1970s, soft to hard and vice versa changed by replacing the shot countermeasure.

              thermalflares type heat traps ...
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 October 2014 12: 09
              +1
              Everything is very simple: Professor uses the difference in terminology. We have KAZ complexes of active protection, and there are KOEP complexes of optoelectronic suppression.

              In the west, the classification is different. There are Active Protective Systems (active protection systems), which are divided into hard kill APS (corresponds to our KAZ) and soft kill APS (corresponds to our KEPP)
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 October 2014 11: 42
      0
      Drozd dragged away. Ukrainians sold in 2003
  9. vsdvs
    vsdvs 17 October 2014 09: 32
    +4
    What was that, an advertising booklet?
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 17 October 2014 09: 35
      +1
      He is the most, Advertising without video, but nothing will soon come running with white and blue flags lol
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 37
        0
        The main thing is that with yellow-blakitnymi (those that are especially gifted, does not concern adequate) did not run.
  10. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 17 October 2014 09: 32
    0
    despite the many things that Jews and Jews do, we must give them their due - through their "fellow countrymen" in other countries and states BRAKES these or those developments take out EVERYTHING ... and develop themselves.

    OUR ARENA what year?, And how old is it, "well, they just can't (they wet themselves, then they put on their pants), then they cordially" let it go ...

    and in the new war neither the iron cumpole nor the trophy-DO NOT HELP .. they are effective against 1-Palestinian + 1RPG Chinese or the time of the farm.
    Well, to the new RPG (I don’t remember the name) of Russia where the kinetic blank flies out before the main charge, generally by the drum.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 40
      +1
      Well, to the new RPG (I don’t remember the name) of Russia where the kinetic blank flies out before the main charge, generally by the drum.

      RPG-30, just to overcome active and dynamic protection.
    2. Professor
      17 October 2014 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: Khalmamed
      despite the many things that Jews and Jews do, we must give them their due - through their "fellow countrymen" in other countries and states BRAKES these or those developments take out EVERYTHING ... and develop themselves.

      Thank God there is someone to blame for their squalor.

      Quote: Khalmamed
      and in the new war neither the iron cumpole nor the trophy-DO NOT HELP .. they are effective against 1-Palestinian + 1RPG Chinese or the time of the farm.

      Cornet means Chinese and farm times? Oh well.
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 17 October 2014 12: 09
      +2
      "they are effective against 1-Palestinian + 1 RPG Chinese or farm days."
      Did you serve in the army? In which troops? I wonder how "in the subject" you are. I've shot them so many RPGs that my hearing got hooked - RPG-7, RPG-16, SPG-9, RPG-18. I PRACTICALLY know the real possibilities of RPGs and I will tell you - if the boxes work correctly and they are correctly covered by the infantry, then the grenade launcher is VERY difficult to work with the result. I'm not talking about destroy, even getting well is not easy. It is banal to knock you out while you lean out and take aim.
      I'm not talking about the idiots who drove the infantry under armor in Grozny in December 1994. (((
      In the 99th and 2000s, no one already suffered such nonsense and the losses were incomparably smaller
  11. The Art of War
    The Art of War 17 October 2014 09: 32
    -1
    Soon they will come running here with Israeli flags and a bunch of videos about the Trophy, and from the side they have a shot knocked down and even air flying past rockets from above and even the rockets passing by, yes, what’s blowing there laughing warheads can also bring down
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 October 2014 09: 34
      +2
      "Yes, I can put an aircraft carrier to the bottom! .. M ?? If you're lucky, of course." (C) laughing
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 17 October 2014 09: 46
        +1
        - I, in general, lifted the tractor!
        - Well, how is it?
        - I didn’t raise it ....
    2. Themi30
      Themi30 17 October 2014 10: 48
      0
      The professor is already bombing to the fullest
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 17 October 2014 12: 16
        +2
        And why were the professors attacked? By the way, he always argues quite reasonably, and does not take "to shout". Yes, he is a patriot and, perhaps, a fan of his country and his army. So what? Let's not get into "shit on the fan" here.
        There is still a technical forum .. Yeah?
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  12. nemo1983
    nemo1983 17 October 2014 09: 35
    +4
    The author of the article posted an advertisement. For such a need ssa .. mi cowards and yes on the tinsel. The nonsense of advertising is already enough in our life. Where is the article for thought, where is the point? I think the article should be removed from the air and sent for revision.

    P / S Let the revised article indicate whether the count of "thousands of strikes" takes into account the number of people lying under the tanks with grenades ?? Somehow everyone quickly forgot what they had arranged there in the process of "The Indestructible Jackal". 2000 civilians just fit into "thousands of reflected strikes"
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 17 October 2014 09: 49
      0
      Oh, what do you want for ento buuuudiiiiiiit ..... belay
      You encroached on the unfocusable.
      Catch the charges for such an inhuman act of anti-Semitism ... laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 17 October 2014 10: 05
        0
        You encroached on the unfocusable.

        I take this phrase to the collection! good
      2. nemo1983
        nemo1983 17 October 2014 10: 58
        0
        Yes, I do not get used to bite the unfocused. And the professor is generally my favorite character here. Right now, he pulls up leaflets and will show them as irrefutable evidence. Recently, in general, he proved that three launches of a spaceship, of which 2 test ones, irrefutably prove its absolute reliability. And the advertising lure proves that it will be cheaper than everyone else by an order of magnitude.
        And about all sorts of indestructible rocks can not be forgotten. Let the truth poke into their eyes, maybe they will be wiser.

        ps pearl professor http://topwar.ru/52235-shansy-amerikanskih-kompaniy-razrabotat-zamenu-rossiyskom
        u-raketnomu-dvigatelyu-neveliki.html # comment-id-2887217
        1. Professor
          17 October 2014 11: 13
          +3
          Quote: nemo1983
          Right now, he pulls up leaflets and will show them as irrefutable evidence.

          Irrefutable evidence is the absence of a funeral. Everything else: blah blah blah.

          I'm waiting for the lists of "2000 civilians" wink
          1. nemo1983
            nemo1983 17 October 2014 11: 26
            +1
            What are the funerals on the slave reservation? This is not the USSR. We rolled them into asphalt and no problem. You don't even need to roll up there, the ruins of the buildings have not yet been raked. What data do you want to receive if the data of the Palestinian side is not counted. You really disappoint me by asking such questions. And "blah-blah-blah", I remember, is the favorite phrase of the dumb heroes of American films.
            1. Professor
              17 October 2014 11: 53
              +1
              Quote: nemo1983
              What data do you want to receive if the data of the Palestinian side are not considered.

              1. I need to poke ....
              2. Give data from Palestinian sources (after all, the figure is 2000 from them). Name, gender, age. I'm waiting.
    2. Professor
      17 October 2014 10: 05
      +1
      Quote: nemo1983
      2000 civilians just fit into "thousands of reflected strikes"

      2000? Can I look at the lists? I am very interested in how many of them were bearded "peaceful" 17-55 years old with a characteristic bruise on the right shoulder.
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 17 October 2014 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: nemo1983
        2000 civilians just fit into "thousands of reflected strikes"

        2000? Can I look at the lists? I am very interested in how many of them were bearded "peaceful" 17-55 years old with a characteristic bruise on the right shoulder.

        Your cynicism is simply amazing! Why don't you ask how many women, old people and children were among them?
        1. Professor
          17 October 2014 13: 53
          +5
          Quote: SoboL
          Your cynicism is simply amazing! Why don't you ask how many women, old people and children were among them?

          This is exactly what I am asking. How many of them were women (including those suicide bombers who blew themselves up near the Israeli troops), elderly people from 50 to 55 and children from 16 to 20? Why Hamas classified these lists and recorded all the dead as "peaceful"?
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 17 October 2014 12: 20
      0
      Advertising content is present - fact. Especially about "thousands of strokes"))) Well, you just need to separate these .. grains from husks and discuss the grains, ignoring the husks.
  13. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 09: 40
    +2
    The land part of the operation generally led to the realization of a number of errors in the planning of rearmament or in cost savings.
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/?CategoryID...;ArticleID=6864
    The Israel Defense portal reports that a decision has been made to double the production of Namer armored personnel carriers. The decision was made following the battles in Gaza during Operation Unbreakable Rock.
    It was also decided to accelerate the production of the latest generation of armored personnel carriers and means of active protection of armored vehicles. All these programs have been frozen in the past year and a half.
    During the land operation in Gaza, limited goals were achieved - the destruction of terrorist tunnels leading to Israeli territory. 64 IDF soldiers were killed in battles. Seven of them died because an outdated armored personnel carrier was jammed in the Sajiyya quarter, which was blown up by a Palestinian rocket. During the operation to remove the armored personnel carrier and the bodies of the dead, seven more soldiers were killed.
    Immediately before the start of the "Indestructible Rock" it was decided to drastically cut the production of "Namer" by half. The decision was a direct consequence of the IDF budget cuts, which left the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff without room to maneuver. In any case, the decision to cut Namer production demonstrates weak planning in the structures of the defense establishment.

    In addition, it was decided that in addition to 7 TBR, which after 401 switches to 4Mk, KAZ systems will be placed on a part of TBTR.
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 17 October 2014 09: 45
      -7
      What are we going to put from this? You are discussing where and where to put it on your forum.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 17 October 2014 09: 59
        +3
        Quote: The Art of War
        What are we going to put from this? You are discussing where and where to put it on your forum.


        Judging by your profile, you have not published a single article here, professor - 469, albeit most reprints. Articles are really interesting to many, and you propose to drive him out of here, well, we will discard even any background of this, what can you offer in return?
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War 17 October 2014 10: 11
          +1
          Maybe you didn’t notice that with our blue-and-white flag our tanks or planes constantly go for a run and look at articles. And if you like when your country’s developments are flagging in your hands.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 17 October 2014 10: 21
            +2
            Quote: The Art of War
            Maybe you didn’t notice that with our blue-and-white flag our tanks or planes constantly go for a run and look at articles. And if you like when your country’s developments are flagging in your hands.


            Of course, I know that the professor is pretty anti-Soviet and Russophobe, but you propose to remove from the site all the good that is in the professor along with the bad, which I strongly disagree with. smile
          2. MACCABI TLV
            MACCABI TLV 17 October 2014 22: 32
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            Quote: The Art of War
            Maybe you didn’t notice

            I blurted that no, not one punctuation mark. request
        2. Professor
          17 October 2014 10: 12
          +2
          Quote: IS-80
          most reprints

          Sorry for "translations", not reprints. I don’t do copy-paste. hi
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 17 October 2014 10: 26
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Sorry for "translations", not reprints. I don’t do copy-paste.


            I have nothing against it. Translations, so translations. smile
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: The Art of War
        What are we going to put from this? You are discussing where and where to put it on your forum.

        You may be specific and nothing, but those who are interested in military subjects may be interested, for example this:
        As expected as a result of the tragedy with the M113 and the high efficiency of the Namers in the course of street battles in Gaza, including against the ATO, the decision to reduce purchases was canceled. http://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/t-590557-...;ים The IDF ordered another 200 Namers, and the total number of orders (apparently including those supplied) reached 500 (more precisely 531). Unit Price: $ 3M base, $ 5M with all systems.

        The T / e effectiveness of the TBTR in city battles was so high that it dispelled all doubts and the opponents of the massive purchases of this equipment in the Moscow Region and General Staff of the IDF admitted their wrong.
      3. Mairos
        Mairos 17 October 2014 12: 28
        +2
        We are HERE just discussing the protection of armored vehicles and everything "around it"
        We are discussing everything about all armies.
        In general, brothers, introducing politics to a technical forum is bad form. If we want to get useful info here, then we should discuss the topic coldly and objectively, with figures and facts - nothing else. In another drown in srach (((
        1. MACCABI TLV
          MACCABI TLV 17 October 2014 22: 34
          -1
          Quote: Mairos
          We are HERE just discussing the protection of armored vehicles and everything "around it"
          We are discussing everything about all armies.

          At school, they settled on politics, they had not yet reached the army.
    2. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 17 October 2014 09: 55
      +6
      fool This dudak learns from his mistakes, and the smart one - from strangers! Still, the complex that "protects" the soldier, Israel has, perhaps, the best in the world. His army is set to perform combat missions soldier with minimal loss. It is enough to see the ratio of Hamas and Israel losses during this operation. This is a worthy experience for other armies.
    3. IS-80
      IS-80 17 October 2014 10: 11
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      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The land part of the operation generally led to the realization of a number of errors in the planning of rearmament or in cost savings.

      In addition, it was decided that in addition to 7 TBR, which after 401 switches to 4Mk, KAZ systems will be placed on a part of TBTR.


      The Israeli military is building up power. laughing Hmmm ... Mistakes, saving is something familiar. But how, is it Israel ?? !!! what belay wink
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 October 2014 09: 42
    +3
    The article, of course, is advertising. But indeed, no damage to the armored vehicles was recorded. And in terms of the count of hits and responses - this is how the system has a controlling computer. He counts. The soldier bending his fingers should not be placed next to the tank. Kinetic ammunition was not used for them - Hezbola did not, but cumulative of all kinds and from all angles was in abundance.
  15. barbiturate
    barbiturate 17 October 2014 09: 49
    +2
    Well done Israelis, they take care of their soldiers, we need such systems and we have to actively implement them all the more so since it was clear to anyone interested in armored vehicles that the days of passive protection had passed, so many smart ammunition appeared and it appears that a tank (armored car) must deal with the threat even before contact with the armor, otherwise a quick hatch to both the equipment and the crew. Even considering that, as usual, statements about THOUSANDS !! attacks on tanks advertising exaggeration by many hundreds of%, the development trend is shown clearly, and not only by the Israelis.
  16. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 17 October 2014 09: 50
    -1
    I did not understand anything from the article. Where are the real facts of the reflection of attacks by the system, where is the video (thousands of attacks !!! And what have you never captured?). Where is the comparison with the Arena? What ammunition was used to destroy tanks and other armored vehicles on which the Trophy was mounted? Nonsense and advertising.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 October 2014 10: 14
      +3
      Quote: Corsair0304
      I did not understand anything from the article. Where are the real facts of the reflection of attacks by the system, where is the video (thousands of attacks !!! And what have you never captured?). Where is the comparison with the Arena? What ammunition was used to destroy tanks and other armored vehicles on which the Trophy was mounted? Nonsense and advertising.

      Thousands of attacks were not. There were several dozen, including several ATGM Cornet (the result of a study of both captured weapons and fragments). AOI has at its disposal 17 video facts about the interception by KAZ of RPGs and ATGMs. Some re-entrants do not have video confirmations, but are subject to facts on the ground.
    2. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 17 October 2014 14: 15
      +2
      Where are the real facts of the reflection of attacks by the system, where is the video (thousands of attacks !!!

      Error in translation. In the original phrase reads as follows:
      "Dozens of tanks have been exposed to thousands of militants and the system performed flawlessly."

      Several videos of the normal operation of the Trophy KAZ during an emergency operation can be easily found on the net. In particular, here, at VO.
  17. bmv04636
    bmv04636 17 October 2014 09: 53
    0
    I remember the incident Trophy mistook Namer for an attacking missile and fired a missile defense at him.
    An article can be put a plus as an advertisement. The Jews took into account the mistakes of the Lebanese company and simply simply do not let the ATGM close to the carrots. And basically they were attacked from extreme distances and even then with old missiles (old design)
  18. Alexander
    Alexander 17 October 2014 10: 03
    +3
    Is it time to take a fee for advertising articles portal?
  19. brn521
    brn521 17 October 2014 10: 50
    +1
    Well, why was this advertising nonsense translated? Not a single full figure. And vague phrases such as "thousands of strikes" generally resemble excuses from suppliers who drank the allocated funds according to well-known schemes when non-existent consumables are ordered and written off.
    As for the Trophy itself, is it still sitting on the radar? You could not add the definition of targets and threats in the optical range? If so, then the system will remain a specific crap designed for the safer pressing of some bare-assed militants, and not for full-fledged military operations.
  20. brdnxela
    brdnxela 17 October 2014 11: 39
    0
    Shoot, take a look!
  21. bmv04636
    bmv04636 17 October 2014 11: 52
    0
    Good advertising just in time, otherwise, in recent years, poor Jews have no ice. "Light Elves" are cutting funding, military orders have sagged.
    The question is why the "light elves" do not put this miracle on their abrams.
  22. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 17 October 2014 12: 18
    +1
    Quote: Wedmak
    Are we arguing that there are such developments or that such developments are not on all tanks?
    If that: Israel essentially fights constantly, so equipping their armored vehicles as in wartime. Tell me, what is the point of carrying KAZ to Russian tanks in peacetime?

    I agree that in peacetime, KAZ should be on the machines involved in local conflicts, in preparation for the big war, capacities will be used to equip the maximum possible amount of armored vehicles. As I understand it, the cost of KAZ is very high.
  23. bmv04636
    bmv04636 17 October 2014 12: 31
    -1
    German unmanned aerial vehicles designed for the OSCE observation mission in Ukraine have limited functionality at low temperatures, said Henning Ott, consultant of the CDU's defense party.
    “In winter, the use of Luna drones in the air is limited. If they freeze, they will fall, ”Otte said in an interview with the Bild tabloid, RIA Novosti reports.
    UAVs are icing up already at a temperature of minus 19 degrees. In winter, in Ukraine, the temperature at an altitude of between 3 thousand and 5 thousand meters is much lower, the use of such aircraft almost makes no sense, which calls into question the participation of Germany in the OSCE observation mission.
    Oh how winter is again to blame
  24. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 October 2014 16: 07
    +1
    Interestingly, in 2013, the trophies on the mercanses were already standing? smile
    Cornet-E in action. The defeat of the tank Merkava:
    1. MACCABI TLV
      MACCABI TLV 17 October 2014 22: 39
      -1
      read from 0:29 to 0:33 sec .. it's true there. wink