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Rogozin: the president approved the idea of ​​creating an aircraft based on the IL-114

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“Putin supported the idea of ​​developing in Russia a turboprop regional passenger aircraft based on Il-114,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on his Facebook page. About this newspaper reports Look.

Rogozin: the president approved the idea of ​​creating an aircraft based on the IL-114


Earlier at a meeting in Samara, held under the leadership of Putin, the management of the local enterprise Aviakor volunteered to organize the production of IL-114 for 5 years. For this, managers asked 12 billion. Rub.

“12 of billions is, of course, money, but for such a project it is, of course, small money”- said the president and instructed the government to more accurately calculate the costs.

“We will need to calculate the real amount, figure. In principle, the idea is interesting. ”- Rogozin expressed his opinion.

On Monday, he said that "China is interested in the joint production of an updated version of the Il-114 passenger aircraft."

Turboprop Il-114 began to develop in the 80-ies, he had to replace the local airlines Tu-134 and Yak-40. For the first time, the car took to the air in 1990. It took 7 many years to get a flight certificate. Before 2012, the car was produced in Tashkent; in total, 17 aircraft were produced.
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  1. DRA-88
    DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 05
    +42
    If now we do not take up the restoration of the aviation industry, then in 5 years there will be nothing to restore.
    1. jjj
      jjj 15 October 2014 19: 07
      +19
      Finally. He is badly needed
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 15 October 2014 19: 25
        +9
        Quote: jjj
        Finally. He is badly needed

        Of course, a regional plane is needed.
        But, I would like someone from competent persons to correctly cover a number of issues.
        1. How good is the IL-114 itself, doesn’t it need now, in order for it to be competitively capable, modernization and what?
        2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness? what
        1. jaguar
          jaguar 15 October 2014 19: 44
          +21
          IL-114 is designed to replace the An-24 and Yak-40 aircraft. In a nutshell about the aircraft, the machine has been fully certified according to the norms of chapter 3 of ICAO Appendix 16, which is considered the highest standard for a regional aircraft. The chassis is designed for landing on the ground. Well, why not buy it? Well, with the current leadership of the current Ministry of Transport ... I have repeatedly called them .. Manturov, Yakovlev, Poghosyan and others like them ... in general a finished plane ... you don’t need to develop, respectively, development funds will not be allocated. That is, the budget allocated for the development of a new aircraft will not succeed.
          1. Mih
            Mih 15 October 2014 22: 31
            -12
            IL-114 is intended

            IL-114 is designed to replace the An-24 and Yak-40 aircraft. In a nutshell about the aircraft, the machine has been fully certified according to the norms of chapter 3 of ICAO Appendix 16, which is considered the highest standard for a regional aircraft. The chassis is designed for landing on the ground.
            Blades - in a weather vane !!! Wee is a pilot or ....
            drinks
            1. jaguar
              jaguar 15 October 2014 23: 39
              +4
              For you personally .... specializing in aircraft mechanics.
              1. Mih
                Mih 16 October 2014 00: 17
                0
                For you personally .... specializing in aircraft mechanics.

                He served in part of them. V.P. Chkalova.
            2. Mih
              Mih 16 October 2014 00: 43
              -5
              Turboprop IL-114.

              And who is the minus - the pilots? You did not put in a weather vane? And you had no problems with the screws? Well don't make me laugh. laughing
              1. aleks 62
                aleks 62 16 October 2014 10: 18
                0
                ..... And what are the problems with the screws ???? ..... An-24, for example, is not bad and flies on one (though when it's not hot and the engines are newer) ... hi
              2. Bort radist
                Bort radist 16 October 2014 18: 08
                0
                Quote: Mih
                You did not put in a weather vane?

                The weathervane is not so terrible as autorotation.
          2. Mih
            Mih 16 October 2014 00: 14
            -1
            [quote] That is, the budget allocated for the development of a new aircraft will not work. / quote]
            Development funds will not be allocated. This is the main thing, and the pilot, and military use - the second.

            love
        2. avt
          avt 15 October 2014 19: 46
          +9
          Quote: Alekseev
          1. How good is the IL-114 itself, doesn’t it need now, in order for it to be competitively capable, modernization and what?

          And what is its ALREADY certified and commercially available, albeit small series, manufactured ?? Yes, and it is serviceable, unlike the An-140 flying?
          Quote: Alekseev
          2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?

          Actually, the TAPO was covered with a copper basin even breaking the Jordanian order for two Il-76s. Well, it was not without spiteful people. But in general good great if the Rogozin-Livanov clan sells the series! A very worthy device! So it is necessary to make a transport IL-112 and transport-passenger IL-114.
          Quote: mol
          You are right, but why did our officials even several years ago ruin this very aviation industry? Remember at least D. Medvedev. I would like to understand.

          I read somewhere - at the meeting, many whined - a bad car, then they were asked to draw up a protocol of comments and sign up and said - the protocol will go ... Ah, what a man! They all sang in unison - a good, needed car! laughing
          1. Eggor
            Eggor 16 October 2014 08: 48
            +2
            Quote: avt
            and transport and passenger IL-114.
            Also, the patrol versions of the aircraft were worked out by the Design Bureau.
            One of them stands out - with the installation of two standard bomb mounts under the wing, which can also be used to suspend cannon and other containers. IL-114MP can patrol for 8-10 hours at a distance of 300 km, carrying on board various discharged detection aids (sonar buoys, etc.) weighing up to one and a half tons. The target equipment is a radio-electronic complex from a radar station, sonar, magnetometer, thermal imager, radio intelligence system and so on. IL-114MP can supplement, and subsequently replace, IL-38 aviation of the Russian Navy. www.aex.ru
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 15 October 2014 21: 17
          +5
          Quote: Alekseev
          How good is the IL-114,

          At one time, silts were the most reliable and profitable to use. I think the modernized ones will not be worse.
          1. Mih
            Mih 15 October 2014 22: 46
            0
            At one time, silts were the most reliable and profitable to use. I think the modernized ones will not be worse.

            Yes, there were people in our time ... Rotorcraft are aviation. Who does not understand that ... love
      2. mashinist
        mashinist 15 October 2014 19: 49
        +1
        What is not suitable for MS-21? Silt flies at 1500 km, and MS at 5000
        1. clidon
          clidon 15 October 2014 20: 40
          +6
          He is a different caliber.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 15 October 2014 20: 53
          +4
          Quote: mashinist
          Silt flies at 1500 km, and MS at 5000

          At 1500 flies IL 114-100 with American engines Pratt & Whitney. With relatives TV7-117, per 1000 km.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 16 October 2014 08: 00
            +3
            Quote: Bayonet
            At 1500 flies IL 114-100 with American engines Pratt & Whitney. With relatives TV7-117, per 1000 km.

            When reading the LTX Il-114 on Wikipedia, did you get the idea why the flight range with engines, the efficiency of which varies by percent, is not the same? what
            This is most likely not a matter of range. At that time, TV7-117 turned out to be raw, with a large number of failures, they were not good at fixing this problem in the 90s, so a reliable Canadian engine came to the court.
            In addition, the price of components from the Russian Federation was prohibitive.
            There was no order, so the airplane was blown away. Everything is trite.
            And according to the planned LTX Il-114 at the level of analogues.
      3. clidon
        clidon 15 October 2014 20: 39
        +3
        "Finally," what? Approved by Rogozin?
      4. Mih
        Mih 15 October 2014 22: 24
        -16
        Turboprop IL-114 began to develop in the 80s

        Marshal, I precipitate. Turboprop? This is not even funny. Maybe a biplane? Let me ... tongue
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 15 October 2014 23: 47
          +9
          Quote: Mih
          I precipitate.

          Go on. Can shake yes . If needed...
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 15 October 2014 23: 53
            +4
            Quote: retired
            mih (6


            Yura, he is from Mi-6! Be lenient!
        2. Mih
          Mih 16 October 2014 00: 37
          -7
          Turboprop IL-114

          Well, yes, remember the Tu-95. Not funny? TU-95, even in my youth, was perceived as a mass grave. What's wrong. Evacuation from this flying coffin, gentlemen generals, could it be otherwise? Tape conveyors !! 1 Only you ... Greetings. love
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 16 October 2014 06: 26
            +2
            Quote: Mih

            Well, yes, remember the Tu-95.

            Even remember the IL-14 and IL-18, tradition and school are not empty words, but a screw and a screw under water.
          2. aleks 62
            aleks 62 16 October 2014 10: 23
            0
            ... Remember another Tu-22 (3 crew members - leaving down), Tu-16 (2 up, the rest down) ..... So what ????
        3. Mih
          Mih 16 October 2014 00: 50
          -4
          began to develop urbovintovy IL-114 in the 80th years

          Once again I will say, and 1000000, I will say - turboprops are a dead end for aviation development !!! No matter how many cons. I understand the development of aviation.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 16 October 2014 10: 26
            +1
            ..... You misunderstand the respected .... Modern turbofans are also peculiar turboprop engines .... There is no point in explaining the difference from the point of view of aerodynamics - this is not the format of the discussion ..... and some knowledge is needed ( you), so that it was clear ... hi
        4. Bayonet
          Bayonet 16 October 2014 02: 48
          +3
          Quote: Mih
          Turboprop IL-114 began to develop in the 80s

          Marshal, I precipitate. Turboprop? This is not even funny. Maybe a biplane? Let me ... tongue

          The main traction in a turboprop engine is created by an air screw connected through a gearbox to the turbocompressor shaft. To do this, a turbine with an increased number of stages is used, so that the gas expansion in the turbines occurs almost completely and only 10-15% of the thrust is provided by a gas jet. No other turbojet engine can argue for efficiency with turboprop engines. However, propeller capabilities limit the speed of aircraft with such engines 600-800 km / h. For the given characteristics of this aircraft - that’s it!
        5. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 October 2014 09: 42
          +3
          Quote: Mih
          I precipitate. Turboprop?

          If there were no garbage in my head, then I would not “fall into the sediment”.laughing
          Turboprop aircraft currently mass-produced and they fly around the world.
        6. aleks 62
          aleks 62 16 October 2014 10: 21
          +1
          ..... Do you need hypersonic ????? belay
      5. Mih
        Mih 15 October 2014 22: 42
        -1
        Finally. He is badly needed

        The question is interesting! laughing
      6. aleks 62
        aleks 62 16 October 2014 10: 15
        0
        ..... Need ... Not the right word .... Emraera are certainly good, but only for the climate of Brazil ...... And we are cold ...
    2. Mol
      Mol 15 October 2014 19: 09
      +13
      DRA-88
      You are right, but why did our officials even several years ago ruin this very aviation industry? Remember at least D. Medvedev. I would like to understand. request
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 16
        +6
        Quote: mol
        Medvedev. I would like to understand.

        Do you think that the trend has changed?
        1. SAM 5
          SAM 5 15 October 2014 19: 21
          +6
          Kickbacks - elementary, Watson.
        2. Mol
          Mol 15 October 2014 19: 38
          +6
          DRA-88

          Do you think that the trend has changed?

          The fact of the matter is that I don’t even know how to count !!! laughing If our rulers are strangling the domestic aviation industry, then they are sending huge amounts to development! So you start to think - what kind of tactics is this - a step back, a step forward? Is it specially invented for cutting money? Or just the right hand does not know what the left is doing ?! Or do they absolutely don’t understand what they are doing there ?! laughing hi
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 15 October 2014 20: 25
            +5
            Quote: mol
            The fact of the matter is that I don’t even know how to count !!!

            In your comment you answered all the questions in detail !!! laughing
            You are a talent and you deserve ++++
      2. Mih
        Mih 15 October 2014 22: 37
        -11
        Remember at least D. Medvedev.

        I would like to understand. fellow
        So Mendeleev was not related to aviation. He invented vodka - a percentage or how alcohol can dissolve in water. tongue
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 15 October 2014 23: 51
          +5
          Quote: Mih
          So Mendeleev was not related to aviation.

          Two with a minus. DI. Mendeleev and his role in the development of aeronauticshttp://statehistory.ru/1569/D-I--Mendeleev-i-ego-rol-v-razvitii-vozdukhoplavaniy
          a/
          Sometimes it's really better to chew than talk. Well, or is it better to pull something at home than at the computer yes ...
        2. ssergn
          ssergn 16 October 2014 06: 16
          +1
          The most important thing "he invented" is the periodic table of chemical elements - a classification of chemical elements that establishes the dependence of various properties of elements on the charge of the atomic nucleus. The system is a graphic expression of the periodic law established by the Russian chemist D.I.Mendeleev in 1869.
          And in general, DI Mendeleev is gigantic in talent and contribution to Russian and world science.
      3. ADK57
        ADK57 15 October 2014 23: 10
        +2
        Medvedev not only ruined the aircraft, but also distributed the titles of Heroes of Russia. Serdyukov, for example.
    3. Vasek
      Vasek 15 October 2014 19: 28
      +2
      Quote: DRA-88
      If now we do not take up the restoration of the aviation industry, then in 5 years there will be nothing to restore.

      Well, why so pessimistic?
      As you, for example, such news:
      Russian scientists have already begun work on the creation of a fighter sixth generation, which will be produced from composite materials, said Andrey Grigoryev, Director General of the Advanced Research Foundation, during the Open Innovations forum.

      http://vz.ru/news/2014/10/15/710706.html
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 39
        +6
        Quote: Vasek
        Well, why so pessimistic?

        I tried to explain below.
        Quote: Vasek
        As you, for example, such news:

        And where is the 5th generation? In the nest?

        For 23 years blah blah blah, optimism has run out laughing
        1. typhoon7
          typhoon7 15 October 2014 22: 01
          +4
          As they say, if you want to know what a sixth generation plane will look like, see how a fifth generation plane is fighting, there is nothing to add. Although designers should always look to the future.
          1. Mih
            Mih 15 October 2014 22: 41
            -11
            Although designers should always look to the future.

            And this piece is not intended for battle. Turboprop - well don't make me laugh! laughing
          2. ssergn
            ssergn 16 October 2014 06: 18
            0
            Well then it will be an invisible plane laughing
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 15 October 2014 19: 59
      +4
      Mlyn, yes, how much can you say that - they were going to start that year. now in this - and when they fly
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 15 October 2014 20: 03
        +6
        Quote: Siberian German
        and when they fly
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 15 October 2014 20: 12
          +11
          It's time to fly them, these planes! And we all rant
          1. ADK57
            ADK57 15 October 2014 23: 18
            +4
            Instead, used Boeings fly.
            And who favored the purchase of Boeing? Medvedev. What would be the choice ..... in favor of the Boeing !!! His reasoning on this subject was broadcast on television.
        2. Mih
          Mih 15 October 2014 22: 50
          -4
          and when they fly
          Well yes. Something like that. If such boxes will fly with us, then your school -. drinks
    5. Korvin1000
      Korvin1000 15 October 2014 20: 54
      +3
      Yes, aviation must be restored. An analogue of the An-28 is desperately needed. And then there’s nothing to jump with a parachute
      1. Mih
        Mih 15 October 2014 22: 56
        -10
        And then with a parachute there will be nothing to jump from, An-28 analogue is desperately needed.

        Something I am not in courses - AN12 no longer rolls? Oh my dear oh .. love
        1. Mih
          Mih 15 October 2014 23: 41
          -3
          Oh, my miles, An 12 is no longer rolling. Did you hear it? laughing
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 16 October 2014 02: 59
          +3
          Quote: Mih
          Something I am not in courses - AN12 no longer rolls?

          It doesn’t roll, there are few of them left. Production ceased in the last century - 1973.
        3. Korvin1000
          Korvin1000 17 October 2014 20: 18
          0
          An-12 is too big for sports parachutes. Takeoff should be 20-25 people
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 16 October 2014 10: 37
        0
        ..... You will be jumping from the L-410 ..... It’s better in performance than the An-28 ....
        1. Korvin1000
          Korvin1000 17 October 2014 20: 20
          0
          L-410 is not our plane
    6. Civil
      Civil 15 October 2014 21: 11
      +2
      remember how Tupolev built before
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 16 October 2014 06: 08
        0
        Quote: Civil
        remember how Tupolev built before
        9 Tu-154 Kuibyshev Aviation Plant rolled out of its workshops in a month. And now the delivery of the An-140 for our army is being slowed down. To save Aviakor this order is needed. True, we need more money than Rogozin writes, but these are already style details.
    7. Denis fj
      Denis fj 15 October 2014 21: 58
      +6
      In the Ministry of Transport and the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation - there is NOT a single specialist who can really assess the true capabilities of this airliner according to Technical and Economic Indicators.

      Other public organizations annexed to Civil Aviation, such as the Center for Strategic Research in Civil Aviation and the like, have ALREADY tricked these Projects and slipped them into the Government of the Russian Federation that the Government of the Russian Federation cannot wash themselves off from these Projects.

      There are many stargazers from aviation - but there have been no cases!

      If IL-114 is used on Russian Domestic Airlines, is it worth it to strain so much with a GLASS CABIN and expensive instrumentation?

      The main problem of the IL-114 - ENGINE!

      It seems that this problem is SOLVABLE and NOT long-term!

      Solves technical problems - PLANT.

      The problem of economic feasibility - highly qualified specialists! ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      AGAIN!

      If there is NOT a real Concept for the Commercial Use of these airliners in the passenger air transportation market, then even firm orders from the Ministry of Defense or other departments will NOT save the situation.
    8. Giant thought
      Giant thought 15 October 2014 23: 59
      +1
      There is nothing to pull the rubber, it is time to start the production of IL-114, as a very necessary aircraft country.
    9. Giant thought
      Giant thought 15 October 2014 23: 59
      0
      There is nothing to pull the rubber, it is time to start the production of IL-114, as a very necessary aircraft country.
  2. Mol
    Mol 15 October 2014 19: 05
    +2
    The news is good ... But! All those close to the project are already rubbing their hands in anticipation! Cut the dough just around the corner! 12 lards after all!
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 15 October 2014 19: 11
      +10
      Cut the dough international problem:
      "... Corruption in European structures has reached an unprecedented scale. If earlier the annual volume of theft from European funds amounted to hundreds of millions of euros, now it is estimated in billions ...
      ... EU countries lose 323 billion euros annually from corruption, which is almost one third of the EU's proposed seven-year budget for 2014-2020. In 2013, the police and prosecutor's offices of the countries of the union have already initiated 67 criminal cases under the articles "Abuse of official position" and "Bribe". [This is a record number in the entire history of the EU] ... "
      or
      "... Airport in Berlin
      Built since 2006. Due dates are postponed every year. The rise in price from 2 billion euros to 5,7 billion euros. Only to maintain order in the airport building is spent € 162 thousand per month ... "
      и
      "... Half of the bike path
      For € 400, a 300-meter-long bicycle path was built with budget money, which ... breaks off halfway ... "
      http://ruxpert.ru/Коррупция_в_Евросоюзе
      1. Mol
        Mol 15 October 2014 19: 56
        +6
        ImPerts

        I agree with you, a problem of international scale! It exists in almost any country. That's just the scale of sawing is still different! lol And the methods of dealing with it vary greatly. The United States, although not a model of a fighter, but if someone comes across, they can bury it far and for a long time, in China they can generally put a bullet in the back of the head! Our authorities are completely "liberal" in this matter! Well, you got caught, well, who doesn't happen to ?! laughing Punishments for crimes of an economic nature, especially if on an especially large scale, lol are just ridiculous. And impunity gives rise to more and more crimes, growing like a snowball. And now they are sawing money not only at the federal level, but also in the village council of the village "Kosyakovka".
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 15 October 2014 20: 32
          +9
          Shooting in the back of the head does not solve the problem (((In the United States, they plant only those who managed to step on a very important tail (((
          Everything is the same everywhere. And 30% of the budget in the EU is an indicator of corruption and the effectiveness of anti-corruption methods of struggle)))
          http://sharla-tanka.livejournal.com/327555.html
          "... And here I also wrote how the Heathrow management changed the light bulbs at the airport for millions of pounds with the involvement of acrobats. These professionals still came up with a much more creative approach to solving the problem. Well done. I love creative people ...".
          And God forbid, I do not urge you to close your eyes to this and lower your hands. But I do not want to engage in self-flagellation.
          Threat. Photo from Stockholm)))
          1. Mol
            Mol 15 October 2014 20: 57
            +2
            Of course, self-flagellation is not necessary! But to live by the principle - think our bureaucrats drank grandmothers! And who doesn’t saw them? Look in the US and Europe, too, sawing! - in Russia is not worth it! You will agree that the standard of living and economies are different. Yes, and why all the time looking back to the West? I believe that for Russia corruption is a national problem, problem No. 1, or one of the first. Given that our economy, it seems, is developing, with such a scale of corruption it can develop indefinitely! And what is happening behind the cordon is the second thing. Who is stopping Russia from all over the world to set an example of how to deal with this disaster? Catch up and overtake, so to speak. I am sure that this will not be worse!
            1. Mih
              Mih 15 October 2014 23: 00
              -2
              Of course, self-flagellation is not necessary! But to live by the principle - think our bureaucrats

              If you always think about a saw ... It's better - a lugger! love
            2. ssergn
              ssergn 16 October 2014 08: 24
              0
              The biggest scam and cut takes place in the USA, but you won’t believe in the holy of holies of market relations - on stock exchange. Interesting? Read Sergei Golubitsky. A person very well studies this topic and knows from the inside, since he himself trades on this exchange.
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 16 October 2014 03: 04
            0
            Quote: ImPerts
            Threat. Photo from Stockholm

            Well, these emigrants stole, the costs of tolerance!
    2. Vorlon
      Vorlon 15 October 2014 19: 17
      +1
      You are not a plus, not a minus. As far as I remember this story. On the contrary, the movement for the development of the automotive industry went. For a long time they mocked this aircraft model. And now there is hope for launch, development, not only the SSJ100
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  3. Eggor
    Eggor 15 October 2014 19: 08
    +7
    According to Rogozin, this aircraft can be used as a patrol. Maybe things will move. China is also interested.
    1. ADK57
      ADK57 15 October 2014 23: 35
      0
      A year or two ago, the central newspaper of China, the People's Daily, called the whole world Russia as a fading country. The Chinese are eager to join our developments, or rather, our developments. And then they will produce it themselves and drive us out of all markets.
      So it was not once. Remember the SU-27.
      And why not grab something for yourself from a country with a stagnant economy?
      No wonder that at the Sochi Economic Forum half of the participants voted for a mobilization economy. These orthodox liberals led the country into a dead end.
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 16 October 2014 08: 26
        0
        What do you think are signs of stagnation of the Russian economy?
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 15 October 2014 19: 09
    +10
    Correctly. Russian people must fly on Russian planes.
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 17
      +7
      Quote: retired
      Correctly. Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

      So after all they flew! And how they flew ....., to the latest history ...
    2. Mih
      Mih 15 October 2014 23: 05
      -5
      pensioner
      Correctly. Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

      I just do not understand - the Air Force fly on amers? Or is it for ignition - then I'm for it. am
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 October 2014 03: 06
      0
      Quote: retired
      Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

      And drive Russian cars! Especially the officials ...
  5. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 15 October 2014 19: 11
    +3
    If the plane will be completely domestic, that’s good. But if the part is imported, then in a couple of years, if not earlier, production can stop and again they will begin to look for import substitution.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 October 2014 03: 14
      0
      [quote = Stanislav 1978] But if the part is imported, then in a couple of years, if not earlier, production may stop and again start looking for import substitution.
      Cooperation is developed all over the world; foreign companies purchase parts from us as well. It is impossible to do everything better than anyone. You can of course by the principle - albeit shit, but your own - but this is only to the detriment of yourself ...
  6. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 15 October 2014 19: 11
    +5
    With our territory, a thing is very necessary. Plus a push in the aircraft industry and job creation in the high-tech industry. Less peninsula, more things to do ... hi
    And what does Comrade Zhukov think about this ???
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 36
      +7
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      And what does Comrade Zhukov think about this ???

      But this: This will be the response of our aviation industry to sanctions! ” It turns out that officials failed to get out of the ship. The Ministry of Industry and Trade will have to approve a site for production in the near future. The most suitable aircraft plant is Samara Aviakor.
      But there is a difficulty - Aviakor belongs to the Russian Machines of Oleg Deripaska. A private company, not a member of the UAC. And even the promises of Aviakor (read - Deripaska) to invest in the project up to 3 billion rubles of officials are not encouraging. To steal something from the government?
  7. Mussasi
    Mussasi 15 October 2014 19: 12
    +5
    Well, normal and most importantly turboprop is not afraid of any volcanic ash.
    1. Mih
      Mih 16 October 2014 00: 06
      -2
      Well, normal and most importantly turboprop is not afraid of any volcanic ash.

      Well what to say. Well what to say. Nothing more to say. I can only advise, if the pilot, fly high and fast.
      Your cons are evidence of your stupidity. Happily arrive in your impenetrable stupidity. I wish you successful flights. !!!!

      fellow
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 October 2014 03: 19
      0
      Quote: Mussashi
      and most importantly turboprop is not afraid of any volcanic ash.

      You are mistaken, the main principle of operation of a theater is the same as that of a turbojet engine - also a compressor and a turbine. So, volcanic ash for TVD is also destructive.
  8. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 15 October 2014 19: 12
    +3
    The more goods produced in RUSSIA, the better. Moreover, we are talking about aviation. Great news from our president. soldier good
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 15 October 2014 19: 33
      +5
      IL-114 - a family of twin-engine turboprop aircraft for local airlines. The first flight was March 29, 1990.
      It is interesting that the president thought about the gift for all 14 years of his reign ....
    2. typhoon7
      typhoon7 15 October 2014 19: 50
      +3
      I agree with you, this news in voice acting.
  9. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 15 October 2014 19: 12
    +4
    As of September 12, 2008, two Il-2 aircraft were lost in catastrophes.

    Date Board number Type (modification) Accident site Victims Short description
    05.07.93/54001/114 Russian flag5 IL-9 Russian flagRamenskoye XNUMX/XNUMX Test flight, engine failure on take-off.
    05.12.99 Флаг Узбекистана91004 Ил-114Т Флаг РоссииДомодедово 5/7 Грузовой рейс, взлёт с заклинившим рулём направления.

    However, a very deep study of the project is needed (Total built: 20, of which 2 did not fly, 2 lost).
  10. ImPerts
    ImPerts 15 October 2014 19: 13
    +5
    This plane is very necessary. He, unlike SSJ, will not be so picky about the quality and purity of GDP. Yes, and localization will be higher, multiple)))
  11. Drunya
    Drunya 15 October 2014 19: 17
    +8
    The efforts of enthusiasts from the 4th battalion of the LPR Ministry of Defense "GBR" Batman "are restoring a museum exhibit - a Mi-2 helicopter.

  12. alexc.74
    alexc.74 15 October 2014 19: 17
    +2
    It’s time to do our own thing for a long time;
  13. svp67
    svp67 15 October 2014 19: 19
    +3
    The question is ONE ONE - SPECIFIC TERMS OF PERFORMANCE AND THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON MUST BE PROVIDED ... It also does not interfere with the introduction, if not criminal, then harsh administrative punishment for disrupting tasks of STATE significance.
  14. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 15 October 2014 19: 21
    +7
    Now any such decision is extremely important. It is necessary to revive the production of civil aviation aircraft by all means. And then, actually, right now it’s just a complete disgrace - our government is planting foreign pilots at the controls of imported aircraft. In Russia!
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 October 2014 19: 21
    +5
    Great news. The right plane. Turboprops are very economical, and reliability will be higher.
  16. dipqrer
    dipqrer 15 October 2014 19: 24
    +4
    Good car for local lines.
  17. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 15 October 2014 19: 25
    +3
    Aviation industry !! I believe in revival and progression for leaders. How bitterly aware that so many years have been lost. Indeed, all this is the development of 80-90 years. N
  18. Abbra
    Abbra 15 October 2014 19: 27
    -1
    It is urgent to restore Li-2 for local lines.
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 October 2014 19: 31
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      It is urgent to restore Li-2 for local lines.
      Well then, Il12 or Il14, but it’s better to solve the issue of the production of Il114
      1. jjj
        jjj 15 October 2014 21: 02
        +3
        Lee-2 had one feature. He has a third point of the chassis located at the back - a dutik. When the groundwater GDP slides from the water, only Li-Xnumx could take off. It went along the GDP in one direction, then along the same track in the opposite direction. And then he took off along the rut. The ratio of take-off mass, engine thrust, and wing lift at low speed helped to do this. And so Li-2 dragged a fairly acceptable load mass. Easy to operate.
        When Li-2 was decommissioned - according to the GA Archangelsk Administration this was the end of the 1975 of the year - then IL-14 and even An-24 were put on primers
        1. ded10041948
          ded10041948 16 October 2014 05: 31
          0
          Can you tell the runway from the president?
  19. typhoon7
    typhoon7 15 October 2014 19: 30
    +4
    Belatedly, but still it’s very good that we are starting to restore our darling in a little, I hope that worship of everything Western is a thing of the past. they need to take (poke) good ideas, but only as the Soviet Union did and nothing more. The car is cool. Vidosik on it to find a good is not just what it is.
  20. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 October 2014 19: 31
    +1
    But rightly so, we need to regain our place for a start even in the creation of medium-range types of aircraft. Well, this project started back in the 80s of the last century. And for 114, you need a new engine, which will take at least a year or two. Well, at least the Chinese join us to develop and create laneers, which would become a rival to Boeing and Airbus.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 15 October 2014 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: Anchonsha
      But rightly so, we need to regain our place for a start even in the creation of medium-range types of aircraft. Well, this project started back in the 80s of the last century. And for 114, you need a new engine, which will take at least a year or two.

      Exactly. And then they did not notice how the Brazilians Embraer filled the whole world ...
      But their "aviation traditions" are already ~ 40 years old! It's a shame for the power!
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 October 2014 19: 33
    +3
    The skorostenka is small enough just 500km / h, but for flights of 500-1000 km - quite. Low-noise six-blade propellers, there are quite roomy versions, autonomy when flying in poorly equipped airports. Good old IL-14 is back!
  22. Kovlad
    Kovlad 15 October 2014 19: 38
    +4
    Except shouts of Hurray! Pay attention again to the years and numbers: the IL-114 turboprop began to be developed in the 80s, it was supposed to replace the Tu-134 and Yak-40 on local airlines. The car first flew in 1990. It took another 7 long years to obtain a flight certificate. Until 2012, the car was produced in Tashkent, a total of 17 aircraft were produced.
    It is clear that designing a new aircraft is not a quick matter, so the whole long way to the market for this aircraft can be attributed to the interstate mess of previous years. And so, such an aircraft is, yes, really necessary.
  23. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 15 October 2014 19: 40
    0
    “12 billion is, of course, money, but for such a project it is, of course, little money,” the president said and instructed the government to more accurately calculate the costs.

    In vain I ordered ... (multiplied by ten .. will secure funding and then close .. Boeing will be cheaper ..))) I understand Putin ... now military planes are more important! And a lot .. Oh well .. And now Ostap will carry .. bully
  24. Password
    Password 15 October 2014 19: 44
    +3
    Huge plans, some unfinished construction, but what is really the output? Compared to the aviation industry of the USSR, tears ... Dear Super Jet, is not moving very well ... It seems like oligarchic figures will not take it all over Chernomyrdin ... Or did the aviation industry thoroughly corrode corruption? Less powerful people need to take care of their own pockets, and more about the country, IMHO.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 October 2014 20: 49
      +1
      But why. SSJ already flies in the USA stably. This year 24 pieces have already been raised, last year only 24 pieces last year. We are unlikely to see the expected 40 + this year, but there will be 32-36 machines.

      Here is a fresh JSS in the USA.
      1. roman_pilot
        roman_pilot 15 October 2014 22: 00
        +1
        Only not in the United States, but in Mexico.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 15 October 2014 22: 24
          +1
          Well, here he flies from Mexico to the USA. Regular flights.

          Now flies to San Antonio.

          In October 20, a new flight is opened on the new (last batch of SSJ) Monterey (Mexico) - Houston (USA).

      2. typhoon7
        typhoon7 15 October 2014 22: 16
        +3
        More than twenty billion green ones have been built into this project (according to some estimates about thirty), it will never pay off. The engines, avionics of the West, tried to match the project to the British, but they prudently refused. Now we need to invest another bunch of dough on our avionics and engines. Here, the money was really sawn unmeasured. Plus, the Zapadents probably paid our bureaucrats and the top of the KLA well for the destruction of Tupolev and Ilyushin.
  25. uge.garik
    uge.garik 15 October 2014 19: 59
    +2
    self-sufficiency and import-independence are the foundation, and the rest is and was ... just want to want ... well, really ...
  26. saag
    saag 15 October 2014 20: 10
    0
    And that VASO will not be able to produce it?
  27. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 15 October 2014 20: 12
    0
    Hello! Well, they also compared the TU134 jet and turboprop-TU more comfortable and faster !!!
    1. 406ppm2gv
      406ppm2gv 15 October 2014 23: 17
      +1
      ISKANDER25 (2) SU  Today, 20:12 New


      Hello! Well, they also compared the TU134 jet and turboprop-TU more comfortable and faster !!!
      we will proceed from the fact that TU and IL have different tasks. TU again needs concrete + take-off take-off. IL needs a shorter GDP length, as well as an unpretentious primer. in childhood I had to fly on IL-14, took off from the primer. and on LI-2 it still rocked heavily. I am very glad that such a plane is being reborn. regional companies will buy it. attractiveness, in the option of 64 and 76 seats, will be interesting.
    2. 406ppm2gv
      406ppm2gv 15 October 2014 23: 17
      +1
      ISKANDER25 (2) SU  Today, 20:12 New


      Hello! Well, they also compared the TU134 jet and turboprop-TU more comfortable and faster !!!
      we will proceed from the fact that TU and IL have different tasks. TU again needs concrete + take-off take-off. IL needs a shorter GDP length, as well as an unpretentious primer. in childhood I had to fly on IL-14, took off from the primer. and on LI-2 it still rocked heavily. I am very glad that such a plane is being reborn. regional companies will buy it. attractiveness, in the option of 64 and 76 seats, will be interesting.
  28. sv68
    sv68 15 October 2014 20: 13
    0
    I wonder how long eggs will be scratched in our aircraft industry before they start releasing il114 again. Can Rogozin still be able to help this plane rise to the sky.
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  30. pinecone
    pinecone 15 October 2014 20: 40
    +1
    On Monday he said that "China is interested in the joint production of an updated version of the Il-114 passenger aircraft."

    Well, if China were not interested, then what?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 October 2014 20: 55
      0
      So, who are the customers? Today, the aircraft should be sold in a good series, so that it would be profitable to put it on stream.

      TAPO sold 0 IL-114 on commercial terms. Under the terms of discounts and bribes of 15 planes (and 6 planes of a state-owned company, which they pressed and kneeled with their knees), from which 1 crashed, 2 broke down and went into denial.

      If you make another An-148 / 158 which no one will buy without a bribe or order, then why is it necessary? Trite is another hang on the budget. If there is co-financing, for example, China, then you can already start a shop under this order, plus there 20-30 machines can be distributed by departments (Navy, Ministry of Emergencies, North Ossetia and others), 20-30 can be sold on extremely favorable terms to airlines in the country, and there it’s still possible to catch up.
  31. Deadmen
    Deadmen 15 October 2014 21: 37
    0
    But are they noisy or, according to European standards, was the reserve in them?
  32. boris117
    boris117 15 October 2014 22: 22
    +4
    Quote: denis fj
    If there is NOT a real Concept for the Commercial Use of these airliners in the passenger air transportation market, then even firm orders from the Ministry of Defense or other departments will NOT save the situation.

    In such cases, a government decision should appear - a state order and the profit from the use of the entire state. For a long time, all aviation should be in the hands of the state. Nothing there to do private traders at all. Let them sew pants, make refrigerators, sharpen shoes, raise cattle, open the sea. But in the nuclear, aviation, railway, oil, gas sectors, mining, the medical industry there is nothing to do. Ditch and sell everything that touches.
  33. pvv113
    pvv113 15 October 2014 22: 34
    +4
    Quote: jaguar
    IL-114 is designed to replace the An-24 and Yak-40 aircraft.

    An-24 (An-26 in the transport version) has been serving faithfully for more than half a century. God forbid that the working age of the IL-114 was not shorter
    1. Mih
      Mih 15 October 2014 23: 37
      -4
      An-24 (An-26 in the transport version)

      A good car, but the onboard engineer got off the board when the propeller came off. laughing
  34. Reader
    Reader 15 October 2014 22: 47
    +2
    here by the way and real help from sanctions. If they weren’t, they would have assembled the Dash 8 Bombardier. Moreover, they assemble the aircraft from the discharge, and we install seats, toilet bowls, paint and it seems like a domestic plane turned out.
    And now there is a real opportunity to put IL-114 into production. A very necessary car in our open spaces.
  35. Mih
    Mih 15 October 2014 23: 33
    -6
    Gentlemen, what are you talking about? Oh remember. Screw machines are the last century. Do you want to ditch the aircraft? Engines located near the ground are vulnerable - hits, even in the initial mode - are critical.
    All major aviation companies have long abandoned this type of fan-winged engine.
    Hit in the air intake, any little things - a dynamic blow that destroys the engine.
    With screws - this is a different story. In case of engine failure, the pilot must put the screws in the "weather vane". The resistance of the screws during flight and landing ... Well, what else to say? I’ll say - you send ... fool
    1. jaguar
      jaguar 15 October 2014 23: 58
      0
      Valentin, did you hit vodka today? Or smoke what? What air intake ??? belay What is the last century ??? Analogs of IL-114 ..... Saab-340 ... Saab 2000 ... Embraer-120 (although the latter is not quite a classmate) .. open your eyes.
      1. Mih
        Mih 16 October 2014 01: 36
        -1
        Valentin, did you hit vodka today? Or smoke what? What air intake ???

        Well, maybe I'm behind, maybe. But he did not see the winged wings. I ask you, clairvoyant pan, give me, siroma, a link to modern airplanes. (I'm not at all in the subject) love
        1. Reader
          Reader 16 October 2014 13: 46
          0
          Dash 8 Q400 from Bombardier and ATR 72-500-600. Although Canadians bypassed Europeans and orders mainly for Dash 8 go. But both aircraft are quite modern.
          If at least in our market we manage to gain a foothold with 114m, then there will be serious success.
  36. siberalt
    siberalt 16 October 2014 00: 01
    +1
    And why is the Yak 40 with its modifications bad? I don’t get it either.
  37. jaguar
    jaguar 16 October 2014 02: 08
    0
    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aliner/saab2000.html........http://www.airwar.ru/enc/al
    iner / d8q400.html .... enough or else?
  38. Barakuda
    Barakuda 16 October 2014 03: 46
    0
    Sorry for the specialists of ANovtsev, Yushchenko-finished off. At school, I took exams and wrote a diploma to the drone of airplanes. And now the youth does not even know that the plane has one wing, and not two.
  39. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 October 2014 04: 33
    0
    Quite a strange policy: first, to disown all the past, and then begin to collect stones. Little Soviet had already been returned, fearing to seem ridiculous, that is, on the quiet. Now the matter has come to technology. MiG-31, now IL-114. And why not immediately do everything rationally ..
  40. sgr291158
    sgr291158 16 October 2014 05: 36
    +1
    It is necessary, it is necessary to restore our aircraft industry. After all, there were planes that became legend, they flew and didn’t fly badly, and there were world records.
  41. jPilot
    jPilot 16 October 2014 05: 48
    +1
    Well, have they really remembered that the country needs its own modern aviation technology! And then the shame, once an aviation country for several years of "sensitive" leadership of the Lebirasts, was practically left without its own modern aviation industry. Well, maybe thanks to the sanctions, enlightenment will begin in the brains of those in power. As the saying goes "there would be no happiness, but misfortune helped" well, why is everything so through Zh.OPU !!!!!!
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 October 2014 05: 55
    0
    It would be nice to produce these aircraft not only in passenger versions. Then there will be an incentive for modernization and mass production. In general, for a full-fledged production of aircraft, we first need to start the production of baby engines for small and medium-sized aircraft.
  43. UralMan
    UralMan 16 October 2014 06: 37
    +1
    This feeling gathered here TsAGI ELITE.
    Discuss the problem of aircraft manufacturing.
    Well, Putin approved. He approves a lot.
    I think so I don’t understand at all in the aircraft industry, I’m not from TsAGI - RELIABLE, COMFORTABLE must be done
    And they will definitely do it.
    There is just no need here to storm this portal with eloquence a good bad screw, etc., it is furious to rate the pros and beat the unwanted cons.
  44. Magadan
    Magadan 16 October 2014 07: 11
    +1
    Quote: avt
    2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?


    This is the most common wrecking. Here is a fact (true according to TU-204)

    1) “Unfortunately, an extremely dangerous tendency has recently emerged of thoughtless lobbying by the government structures for the interests of the domestic aircraft building complex. We ask you to support the issue of the inadmissibility of the serial launch of the TU-204 aircraft on Russian air routes and the continuation of the leasing of advanced models of Western aircraft ”. (Letter from the Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on Economics A. Livshits to the Government of the Russian Federation NA-1-1268Л from April 3 to 1995 of the year).

    2) That's why IL generally laughs through tears: Rogozin at a meeting of some "responsible persons" said so - "write your opinion on this plane in writing. And then I will show the President what you wrote." Well, these "faces", who had previously blamed the IL-114, changed their point of view by 180 degrees. Now the plane is good

    3) We add to the fact that the Federal Air Transport Agency for some reason encircles Crimea with exorbitant fees. Read: http://www.trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=30322 (ROSAVIATION SHOWS CRIMEA)

    In short, we need the PEST LAW!
  45. ydjin
    ydjin 16 October 2014 08: 20
    +1
    [quote = boris117] [quote = denis fj]
    In such cases, a government decision should appear - a state order and the profit from the use of the entire state. For a long time, all aviation should be in the hands of the state. Nothing there to do private traders at all. Let them sew pants, make refrigerators, sharpen shoes, raise cattle, open the sea. But in the nuclear, aviation, railway, oil, gas sectors, mining, the medical industry there is nothing to do. Ditch and sell everything that touches. [/ Quote]
    I completely agree with you, dear! You +
  46. qwert
    qwert 16 October 2014 10: 33
    +2
    Quote: Alekseev
    1. How good is the IL-114 itself, doesn’t it need now, in order for it to be competitively capable, modernization and what?
    2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?

    1. The plane as a whole meets modern requirements and could very well be purchased by domestic airlines. Regarding modernization. As I understand it, that’s exactly what the money was allocated for.
    2. Because airplanes are bought by private airlines. What are they thinking? About profit. Therefore, they buy used cars abroad. They are cheaper, plus service is established, plus purchases are made by a person receiving a rollback from the Western manufacturers.
    The government must break this situation. There should be subsidies not only for development, but also for the provision of after-sales service. In addition, profitable acquisition schemes have been developed. Type of interest-free leasing. Plus, the duty on airplanes purchased abroad, primarily second-hand ones. When the company enters large-scale production, the price will become more than attractive, only now this is the state’s task. Private companies before the public interest as before the moon. Capitalism is the same .... The measure of profit for everything. Therefore, money goes for the galley.
  47. Kacap0004
    Kacap0004 16 October 2014 10: 41
    0
    And yet, why the IL-114? The future belongs to turbojet engines. And so investing in dead-end branches there will be even more lag in more promising (and profitable) directions.
    1. alekc73
      alekc73 16 October 2014 14: 14
      +1
      Turboprops are more economical on small-medium-sized routes. Kerosene is now expensive. Everyone considers money. Reliability and fuel consumption are the most important characteristics.
      1. Kacap0004
        Kacap0004 16 October 2014 17: 51
        0
        Probably, kerosene is still not the most expensive item in the cost of an air ticket, otherwise all sorts of low-cost airlines would fly only on them.
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  48. Prager
    Prager 16 October 2014 15: 50
    0
    it's just a great machine, it is urgently needed for regional aviation, in which there were only veterans released back in Soviet times. It is not clear why to develop a new aircraft based on the IL-114, if there is a ready-made machine. none other than for theft from the budget.
  49. borys
    borys 16 October 2014 16: 54
    0
    In the discussion of this topic a lot of reasonable was said, but there is a lot of idle talk.
    The Jordanian order TAPOiCH fulfilled, although with a delay. By the way, this
    were not standard IL-76 (MD, TD), but significantly different IL-76MF.
    They are 6,6 meters longer and with PS-90 engines, respectively more
    carrying capacity. Now for the main question. In 2002, the Russian
    Vyborg Airlines purchased 2 IL-114 aircraft, which have been successfully exported
    were plowed. Perhaps they fly today, I don’t know. 1 or 2 cars
    were acquired by the Russian Ministry of Defense. 3 cars were purchased by National Aviation
    company of Uzbekistan, where they are successfully operated to this day. What-
    If the catastrophe in Domodedovo in 1999, then we did not see the conclusions of the state
    commission, so do not scold the plane.