Rogozin: the president approved the idea of ​​creating an aircraft based on the IL-114

“Putin supported the idea of ​​developing in Russia a turboprop regional passenger aircraft based on Il-114,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on his Facebook page. About this newspaper reports Look.

Earlier at a meeting in Samara, held under the leadership of Putin, the management of the local enterprise Aviakor volunteered to organize the production of IL-114 for 5 years. For this, managers asked 12 billion. Rub.

“12 of billions is, of course, money, but for such a project it is, of course, small money”- said the president and instructed the government to more accurately calculate the costs.

“We will need to calculate the real amount, figure. In principle, the idea is interesting. ”- Rogozin expressed his opinion.

On Monday, he said that "China is interested in the joint production of an updated version of the Il-114 passenger aircraft."

Turboprop Il-114 began to develop in the 80-ies, he had to replace the local airlines Tu-134 and Yak-40. For the first time, the car took to the air in 1990. It took 7 many years to get a flight certificate. Before 2012, the car was produced in Tashkent; in total, 17 aircraft were produced.

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[DRA-88]

If now we do not take up the restoration of the aviation industry, then in 5 years there will be nothing to restore.

[jjj]

Finally. He is badly needed

[Alekseev]

Quote: jjj

Finally. He is badly needed

Of course, a regional plane is needed.
But, I would like someone from competent persons to correctly cover a number of issues.
1. How good is the IL-114 itself, doesn’t it need now, in order for it to be competitively capable, modernization and what?
2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?

[jaguar]

IL-114 is designed to replace the An-24 and Yak-40 aircraft. In a nutshell about the aircraft, the machine has been fully certified according to the norms of chapter 3 of ICAO Appendix 16, which is considered the highest standard for a regional aircraft. The chassis is designed for landing on the ground. Well, why not buy it? Well, with the current leadership of the current Ministry of Transport ... I have repeatedly called them .. Manturov, Yakovlev, Poghosyan and others like them ... in general a finished plane ... you don’t need to develop, respectively, development funds will not be allocated. That is, the budget allocated for the development of a new aircraft will not succeed.

[Mih]

IL-114 is intended

IL-114 is designed to replace the An-24 and Yak-40 aircraft. In a nutshell about the aircraft, the machine has been fully certified according to the norms of chapter 3 of ICAO Appendix 16, which is considered the highest standard for a regional aircraft. The chassis is designed for landing on the ground.
Blades - in a weather vane !!! Wee is a pilot or ....

[jaguar]

For you personally .... specializing in aircraft mechanics.

[Mih]

For you personally .... specializing in aircraft mechanics.

He served in part of them. V.P. Chkalova.

[Mih]

Turboprop IL-114.

And who is the minus - the pilots? You did not put in a weather vane? And you had no problems with the screws? Well don't make me laugh.

[aleks 62]

..... And what are the problems with the screws ???? ..... An-24, for example, is not bad and flies on one (though when it's not hot and the engines are newer) ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: Mih

You did not put in a weather vane?

The weathervane is not so terrible as autorotation.

[Mih]

[quote] That is, the budget allocated for the development of a new aircraft will not work. / quote]
Development funds will not be allocated. This is the main thing, and the pilot, and military use - the second.

[avt]

Quote: Alekseev

1. How good is the IL-114 itself, doesn’t it need now, in order for it to be competitively capable, modernization and what?

And what is its ALREADY certified and commercially available, albeit small series, manufactured ?? Yes, and it is serviceable, unlike the An-140 flying?

Quote: Alekseev

2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?

Actually, the TAPO was covered with a copper basin even breaking the Jordanian order for two Il-76s. Well, it was not without spiteful people. But in general great if the Rogozin-Livanov clan sells the series! A very worthy device! So it is necessary to make a transport IL-112 and transport-passenger IL-114.

Quote: mol

You are right, but why did our officials even several years ago ruin this very aviation industry? Remember at least D. Medvedev. I would like to understand.

I read somewhere - at the meeting, many whined - a bad car, then they were asked to draw up a protocol of comments and sign up and said - the protocol will go ... Ah, what a man! They all sang in unison - a good, needed car!

[Eggor]

Quote: avt

and transport and passenger IL-114.

Also, the patrol versions of the aircraft were worked out by the Design Bureau.

One of them stands out - with the installation of two standard bomb mounts under the wing, which can also be used to suspend cannon and other containers. IL-114MP can patrol for 8-10 hours at a distance of 300 km, carrying on board various discharged detection aids (sonar buoys, etc.) weighing up to one and a half tons. The target equipment is a radio-electronic complex from a radar station, sonar, magnetometer, thermal imager, radio intelligence system and so on. IL-114MP can supplement, and subsequently replace, IL-38 aviation of the Russian Navy. www.aex.ru

[Sandov]

Quote: Alekseev

How good is the IL-114,

At one time, silts were the most reliable and profitable to use. I think the modernized ones will not be worse.

[Mih]

At one time, silts were the most reliable and profitable to use. I think the modernized ones will not be worse.

Yes, there were people in our time ... Rotorcraft are aviation. Who does not understand that ...

[mashinist]

What is not suitable for MS-21? Silt flies at 1500 km, and MS at 5000

[clidon]

He is a different caliber.

[Bayonet]

Quote: mashinist

Silt flies at 1500 km, and MS at 5000

At 1500 flies IL 114-100 with American engines Pratt & Whitney. With relatives TV7-117, per 1000 km.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Bayonet

At 1500 flies IL 114-100 with American engines Pratt & Whitney. With relatives TV7-117, per 1000 km.

When reading the LTX Il-114 on Wikipedia, did you get the idea why the flight range with engines, the efficiency of which varies by percent, is not the same?
This is most likely not a matter of range. At that time, TV7-117 turned out to be raw, with a large number of failures, they were not good at fixing this problem in the 90s, so a reliable Canadian engine came to the court.
In addition, the price of components from the Russian Federation was prohibitive.
There was no order, so the airplane was blown away. Everything is trite.
And according to the planned LTX Il-114 at the level of analogues.

[clidon]

"Finally," what? Approved by Rogozin?

[Mih]

Turboprop IL-114 began to develop in the 80s

Marshal, I precipitate. Turboprop? This is not even funny. Maybe a biplane? Let me ...

[pensioner]

Quote: Mih

I precipitate.

Go on. Can shake . If needed...

[studentmati]

Quote: retired

mih (6

Yura, he is from Mi-6! Be lenient!

[Mih]

Turboprop IL-114

Well, yes, remember the Tu-95. Not funny? TU-95, even in my youth, was perceived as a mass grave. What's wrong. Evacuation from this flying coffin, gentlemen generals, could it be otherwise? Tape conveyors !! 1 Only you ... Greetings.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Mih

Well, yes, remember the Tu-95.

Even remember the IL-14 and IL-18, tradition and school are not empty words, but a screw and a screw under water.

[aleks 62]

... Remember another Tu-22 (3 crew members - leaving down), Tu-16 (2 up, the rest down) ..... So what ????

[Mih]

began to develop urbovintovy IL-114 in the 80th years

Once again I will say, and 1000000, I will say - turboprops are a dead end for aviation development !!! No matter how many cons. I understand the development of aviation.

[aleks 62]

..... You misunderstand the respected .... Modern turbofans are also peculiar turboprop engines .... There is no point in explaining the difference from the point of view of aerodynamics - this is not the format of the discussion ..... and some knowledge is needed ( you), so that it was clear ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mih

Turboprop IL-114 began to develop in the 80s

Marshal, I precipitate. Turboprop? This is not even funny. Maybe a biplane? Let me ...

The main traction in a turboprop engine is created by an air screw connected through a gearbox to the turbocompressor shaft. To do this, a turbine with an increased number of stages is used, so that the gas expansion in the turbines occurs almost completely and only 10-15% of the thrust is provided by a gas jet. No other turbojet engine can argue for efficiency with turboprop engines. However, propeller capabilities limit the speed of aircraft with such engines 600-800 km / h. For the given characteristics of this aircraft - that’s it!

[Alekseev]

Quote: Mih

I precipitate. Turboprop?

If there were no garbage in my head, then I would not “fall into the sediment”.
Turboprop aircraft currently mass-produced and they fly around the world.

[aleks 62]

..... Do you need hypersonic ?????

[Mih]

Finally. He is badly needed

The question is interesting!

[aleks 62]

..... Need ... Not the right word .... Emraera are certainly good, but only for the climate of Brazil ...... And we are cold ...

[Mol]

DRA-88
You are right, but why did our officials even several years ago ruin this very aviation industry? Remember at least D. Medvedev. I would like to understand.

[DRA-88]

Quote: mol

Medvedev. I would like to understand.

Do you think that the trend has changed?

[SAM 5]

Kickbacks - elementary, Watson.

[Mol]

DRA-88

Do you think that the trend has changed?

The fact of the matter is that I don’t even know how to count !!! If our rulers are strangling the domestic aviation industry, then they are sending huge amounts to development! So you start to think - what kind of tactics is this - a step back, a step forward? Is it specially invented for cutting money? Or just the right hand does not know what the left is doing ?! Or do they absolutely don’t understand what they are doing there ?!

[DRA-88]

Quote: mol

The fact of the matter is that I don’t even know how to count !!!

In your comment you answered all the questions in detail !!!
You are a talent and you deserve ++++

[Mih]

Remember at least D. Medvedev.

I would like to understand.
So Mendeleev was not related to aviation. He invented vodka - a percentage or how alcohol can dissolve in water.

[pensioner]

Quote: Mih

So Mendeleev was not related to aviation.

Two with a minus. DI. Mendeleev and his role in the development of aeronauticshttp://statehistory.ru/1569/D-I--Mendeleev-i-ego-rol-v-razvitii-vozdukhoplavaniy
a/
Sometimes it's really better to chew than talk. Well, or is it better to pull something at home than at the computer ...

[ssergn]

The most important thing "he invented" is the periodic table of chemical elements - a classification of chemical elements that establishes the dependence of various properties of elements on the charge of the atomic nucleus. The system is a graphic expression of the periodic law established by the Russian chemist D.I.Mendeleev in 1869.
And in general, DI Mendeleev is gigantic in talent and contribution to Russian and world science.

[ADK57]

Medvedev not only ruined the aircraft, but also distributed the titles of Heroes of Russia. Serdyukov, for example.

[Vasek]

Quote: DRA-88

If now we do not take up the restoration of the aviation industry, then in 5 years there will be nothing to restore.

Well, why so pessimistic?
As you, for example, such news:

Russian scientists have already begun work on the creation of a fighter sixth generation, which will be produced from composite materials, said Andrey Grigoryev, Director General of the Advanced Research Foundation, during the Open Innovations forum.

http://vz.ru/news/2014/10/15/710706.html

[DRA-88]

Quote: Vasek

Well, why so pessimistic?

I tried to explain below.

Quote: Vasek

As you, for example, such news:

And where is the 5th generation? In the nest?

For 23 years blah blah blah, optimism has run out

[typhoon7]

As they say, if you want to know what a sixth generation plane will look like, see how a fifth generation plane is fighting, there is nothing to add. Although designers should always look to the future.

[Mih]

Although designers should always look to the future.

And this piece is not intended for battle. Turboprop - well don't make me laugh!

[ssergn]

Well then it will be an invisible plane

[Siberian German]

Mlyn, yes, how much can you say that - they were going to start that year. now in this - and when they fly

[DRA-88]

Quote: Siberian German

and when they fly

[Serg 122]

It's time to fly them, these planes! And we all rant

[ADK57]

Instead, used Boeings fly.
And who favored the purchase of Boeing? Medvedev. What would be the choice ..... in favor of the Boeing !!! His reasoning on this subject was broadcast on television.

[Mih]

and when they fly

Well yes. Something like that. If such boxes will fly with us, then your school -.

[Korvin1000]

Yes, aviation must be restored. An analogue of the An-28 is desperately needed. And then there’s nothing to jump with a parachute

[Mih]

And then with a parachute there will be nothing to jump from, An-28 analogue is desperately needed.

Something I am not in courses - AN12 no longer rolls? Oh my dear oh ..

[Mih]

Oh, my miles, An 12 is no longer rolling. Did you hear it?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mih

Something I am not in courses - AN12 no longer rolls?

It doesn’t roll, there are few of them left. Production ceased in the last century - 1973.

[Korvin1000]

An-12 is too big for sports parachutes. Takeoff should be 20-25 people

[aleks 62]

..... You will be jumping from the L-410 ..... It’s better in performance than the An-28 ....

[Korvin1000]

L-410 is not our plane

[Civil]

remember how Tupolev built before

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Civil

remember how Tupolev built before

9 Tu-154 Kuibyshev Aviation Plant rolled out of its workshops in a month. And now the delivery of the An-140 for our army is being slowed down. To save Aviakor this order is needed. True, we need more money than Rogozin writes, but these are already style details.

[Denis fj]

In the Ministry of Transport and the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation - there is NOT a single specialist who can really assess the true capabilities of this airliner according to Technical and Economic Indicators.

Other public organizations annexed to Civil Aviation, such as the Center for Strategic Research in Civil Aviation and the like, have ALREADY tricked these Projects and slipped them into the Government of the Russian Federation that the Government of the Russian Federation cannot wash themselves off from these Projects.

There are many stargazers from aviation - but there have been no cases!

If IL-114 is used on Russian Domestic Airlines, is it worth it to strain so much with a GLASS CABIN and expensive instrumentation?

The main problem of the IL-114 - ENGINE!

It seems that this problem is SOLVABLE and NOT long-term!

Solves technical problems - PLANT.

The problem of economic feasibility - highly qualified specialists! ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGAIN!

If there is NOT a real Concept for the Commercial Use of these airliners in the passenger air transportation market, then even firm orders from the Ministry of Defense or other departments will NOT save the situation.

[Giant thought]

There is nothing to pull the rubber, it is time to start the production of IL-114, as a very necessary aircraft country.

[Giant thought]

There is nothing to pull the rubber, it is time to start the production of IL-114, as a very necessary aircraft country.

[Mol]

The news is good ... But! All those close to the project are already rubbing their hands in anticipation! Cut the dough just around the corner! 12 lards after all!

[ImPerts]

Cut the dough international problem:
"... Corruption in European structures has reached an unprecedented scale. If earlier the annual volume of theft from European funds amounted to hundreds of millions of euros, now it is estimated in billions ...
... EU countries lose 323 billion euros annually from corruption, which is almost one third of the EU's proposed seven-year budget for 2014-2020. In 2013, the police and prosecutor's offices of the countries of the union have already initiated 67 criminal cases under the articles "Abuse of official position" and "Bribe". [This is a record number in the entire history of the EU] ... "
or
"... Airport in Berlin
Built since 2006. Due dates are postponed every year. The rise in price from 2 billion euros to 5,7 billion euros. Only to maintain order in the airport building is spent € 162 thousand per month ... "
и
"... Half of the bike path
For € 400, a 300-meter-long bicycle path was built with budget money, which ... breaks off halfway ... "
http://ruxpert.ru/Коррупция_в_Евросоюзе

[Mol]

ImPerts

I agree with you, a problem of international scale! It exists in almost any country. That's just the scale of sawing is still different! And the methods of dealing with it vary greatly. The United States, although not a model of a fighter, but if someone comes across, they can bury it far and for a long time, in China they can generally put a bullet in the back of the head! Our authorities are completely "liberal" in this matter! Well, you got caught, well, who doesn't happen to ?! Punishments for crimes of an economic nature, especially if on an especially large scale, are just ridiculous. And impunity gives rise to more and more crimes, growing like a snowball. And now they are sawing money not only at the federal level, but also in the village council of the village "Kosyakovka".

[ImPerts]

Shooting in the back of the head does not solve the problem (((In the United States, they plant only those who managed to step on a very important tail (((
Everything is the same everywhere. And 30% of the budget in the EU is an indicator of corruption and the effectiveness of anti-corruption methods of struggle)))
http://sharla-tanka.livejournal.com/327555.html
"... And here I also wrote how the Heathrow management changed the light bulbs at the airport for millions of pounds with the involvement of acrobats. These professionals still came up with a much more creative approach to solving the problem. Well done. I love creative people ...".
And God forbid, I do not urge you to close your eyes to this and lower your hands. But I do not want to engage in self-flagellation.
Threat. Photo from Stockholm)))

[Mol]

Of course, self-flagellation is not necessary! But to live by the principle - think our bureaucrats drank grandmothers! And who doesn’t saw them? Look in the US and Europe, too, sawing! - in Russia is not worth it! You will agree that the standard of living and economies are different. Yes, and why all the time looking back to the West? I believe that for Russia corruption is a national problem, problem No. 1, or one of the first. Given that our economy, it seems, is developing, with such a scale of corruption it can develop indefinitely! And what is happening behind the cordon is the second thing. Who is stopping Russia from all over the world to set an example of how to deal with this disaster? Catch up and overtake, so to speak. I am sure that this will not be worse!

[Mih]

Of course, self-flagellation is not necessary! But to live by the principle - think our bureaucrats

If you always think about a saw ... It's better - a lugger!

[ssergn]

The biggest scam and cut takes place in the USA, but you won’t believe in the holy of holies of market relations - on stock exchange. Interesting? Read Sergei Golubitsky. A person very well studies this topic and knows from the inside, since he himself trades on this exchange.

[Bayonet]

Quote: ImPerts

Threat. Photo from Stockholm

Well, these emigrants stole, the costs of tolerance!

[Vorlon]

You are not a plus, not a minus. As far as I remember this story. On the contrary, the movement for the development of the automotive industry went. For a long time they mocked this aircraft model. And now there is hope for launch, development, not only the SSJ100

[Eggor]

According to Rogozin, this aircraft can be used as a patrol. Maybe things will move. China is also interested.

[ADK57]

A year or two ago, the central newspaper of China, the People's Daily, called the whole world Russia as a fading country. The Chinese are eager to join our developments, or rather, our developments. And then they will produce it themselves and drive us out of all markets.
So it was not once. Remember the SU-27.
And why not grab something for yourself from a country with a stagnant economy?
No wonder that at the Sochi Economic Forum half of the participants voted for a mobilization economy. These orthodox liberals led the country into a dead end.

[ssergn]

What do you think are signs of stagnation of the Russian economy?

[pensioner]

Correctly. Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

[DRA-88]

Quote: retired

Correctly. Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

So after all they flew! And how they flew ....., to the latest history ...

[Mih]

pensioner

Correctly. Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

I just do not understand - the Air Force fly on amers? Or is it for ignition - then I'm for it.

[Bayonet]

Quote: retired

Russian people must fly on Russian planes.

And drive Russian cars! Especially the officials ...

[Stanislav 1978]

If the plane will be completely domestic, that’s good. But if the part is imported, then in a couple of years, if not earlier, production can stop and again they will begin to look for import substitution.

[Bayonet]

[quote = Stanislav 1978] But if the part is imported, then in a couple of years, if not earlier, production may stop and again start looking for import substitution.
Cooperation is developed all over the world; foreign companies purchase parts from us as well. It is impossible to do everything better than anyone. You can of course by the principle - albeit shit, but your own - but this is only to the detriment of yourself ...

[Semen Semyonitch]

With our territory, a thing is very necessary. Plus a push in the aircraft industry and job creation in the high-tech industry. Less peninsula, more things to do ...
And what does Comrade Zhukov think about this ???

[DRA-88]

Quote: Semyon Semyonich

And what does Comrade Zhukov think about this ???

But this: This will be the response of our aviation industry to sanctions! ” It turns out that officials failed to get out of the ship. The Ministry of Industry and Trade will have to approve a site for production in the near future. The most suitable aircraft plant is Samara Aviakor.
But there is a difficulty - Aviakor belongs to the Russian Machines of Oleg Deripaska. A private company, not a member of the UAC. And even the promises of Aviakor (read - Deripaska) to invest in the project up to 3 billion rubles of officials are not encouraging. To steal something from the government?

[Mussasi]

Well, normal and most importantly turboprop is not afraid of any volcanic ash.

[Mih]

Well, normal and most importantly turboprop is not afraid of any volcanic ash.

Well what to say. Well what to say. Nothing more to say. I can only advise, if the pilot, fly high and fast.
Your cons are evidence of your stupidity. Happily arrive in your impenetrable stupidity. I wish you successful flights. !!!!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mussashi

and most importantly turboprop is not afraid of any volcanic ash.

You are mistaken, the main principle of operation of a theater is the same as that of a turbojet engine - also a compressor and a turbine. So, volcanic ash for TVD is also destructive.

[cerbuk6155]

The more goods produced in RUSSIA, the better. Moreover, we are talking about aviation. Great news from our president.

[DRA-88]

IL-114 - a family of twin-engine turboprop aircraft for local airlines. The first flight was March 29, 1990.
It is interesting that the president thought about the gift for all 14 years of his reign ....

[typhoon7]

I agree with you, this news in voice acting.

[vdtomsk]

As of September 12, 2008, two Il-2 aircraft were lost in catastrophes.

Date Board number Type (modification) Accident site Victims Short description
05.07.93/54001/114 Russian flag5 IL-9 Russian flagRamenskoye XNUMX/XNUMX Test flight, engine failure on take-off.
05.12.99 Флаг Узбекистана91004 Ил-114Т Флаг РоссииДомодедово 5/7 Грузовой рейс, взлёт с заклинившим рулём направления.

However, a very deep study of the project is needed (Total built: 20, of which 2 did not fly, 2 lost).

[ImPerts]

This plane is very necessary. He, unlike SSJ, will not be so picky about the quality and purity of GDP. Yes, and localization will be higher, multiple)))

[Drunya]

The efforts of enthusiasts from the 4th battalion of the LPR Ministry of Defense "GBR" Batman "are restoring a museum exhibit - a Mi-2 helicopter.

[alexc.74]

It’s time to do our own thing for a long time;

[svp67]

The question is ONE ONE - SPECIFIC TERMS OF PERFORMANCE AND THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON MUST BE PROVIDED ... It also does not interfere with the introduction, if not criminal, then harsh administrative punishment for disrupting tasks of STATE significance.

[Reserve officer]

Now any such decision is extremely important. It is necessary to revive the production of civil aviation aircraft by all means. And then, actually, right now it’s just a complete disgrace - our government is planting foreign pilots at the controls of imported aircraft. In Russia!

[Mountain shooter]

Great news. The right plane. Turboprops are very economical, and reliability will be higher.

[dipqrer]

Good car for local lines.

[ODERVIT]

Aviation industry !! I believe in revival and progression for leaders. How bitterly aware that so many years have been lost. Indeed, all this is the development of 80-90 years. N

[Abbra]

It is urgent to restore Li-2 for local lines.

[svp67]

Quote: Abbra

It is urgent to restore Li-2 for local lines.

Well then, Il12 or Il14, but it’s better to solve the issue of the production of Il114

[jjj]

Lee-2 had one feature. He has a third point of the chassis located at the back - a dutik. When the groundwater GDP slides from the water, only Li-Xnumx could take off. It went along the GDP in one direction, then along the same track in the opposite direction. And then he took off along the rut. The ratio of take-off mass, engine thrust, and wing lift at low speed helped to do this. And so Li-2 dragged a fairly acceptable load mass. Easy to operate.
When Li-2 was decommissioned - according to the GA Archangelsk Administration this was the end of the 1975 of the year - then IL-14 and even An-24 were put on primers

[ded10041948]

Can you tell the runway from the president?

[typhoon7]

Belatedly, but still it’s very good that we are starting to restore our darling in a little, I hope that worship of everything Western is a thing of the past. they need to take (poke) good ideas, but only as the Soviet Union did and nothing more. The car is cool. Vidosik on it to find a good is not just what it is.

[Anchonsha]

But rightly so, we need to regain our place for a start even in the creation of medium-range types of aircraft. Well, this project started back in the 80s of the last century. And for 114, you need a new engine, which will take at least a year or two. Well, at least the Chinese join us to develop and create laneers, which would become a rival to Boeing and Airbus.

[Vasek]

Quote: Anchonsha

But rightly so, we need to regain our place for a start even in the creation of medium-range types of aircraft. Well, this project started back in the 80s of the last century. And for 114, you need a new engine, which will take at least a year or two.

Exactly. And then they did not notice how the Brazilians Embraer filled the whole world ...
But their "aviation traditions" are already ~ 40 years old! It's a shame for the power!

[Mountain shooter]

The skorostenka is small enough just 500km / h, but for flights of 500-1000 km - quite. Low-noise six-blade propellers, there are quite roomy versions, autonomy when flying in poorly equipped airports. Good old IL-14 is back!

[Kovlad]

Except shouts of Hurray! Pay attention again to the years and numbers: the IL-114 turboprop began to be developed in the 80s, it was supposed to replace the Tu-134 and Yak-40 on local airlines. The car first flew in 1990. It took another 7 long years to obtain a flight certificate. Until 2012, the car was produced in Tashkent, a total of 17 aircraft were produced.
It is clear that designing a new aircraft is not a quick matter, so the whole long way to the market for this aircraft can be attributed to the interstate mess of previous years. And so, such an aircraft is, yes, really necessary.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

“12 billion is, of course, money, but for such a project it is, of course, little money,” the president said and instructed the government to more accurately calculate the costs.

In vain I ordered ... (multiplied by ten .. will secure funding and then close .. Boeing will be cheaper ..))) I understand Putin ... now military planes are more important! And a lot .. Oh well .. And now Ostap will carry ..

[Password]

Huge plans, some unfinished construction, but what is really the output? Compared to the aviation industry of the USSR, tears ... Dear Super Jet, is not moving very well ... It seems like oligarchic figures will not take it all over Chernomyrdin ... Or did the aviation industry thoroughly corrode corruption? Less powerful people need to take care of their own pockets, and more about the country, IMHO.

[donavi49]

But why. SSJ already flies in the USA stably. This year 24 pieces have already been raised, last year only 24 pieces last year. We are unlikely to see the expected 40 + this year, but there will be 32-36 machines.

Here is a fresh JSS in the USA.

[roman_pilot]

Only not in the United States, but in Mexico.

[donavi49]

Well, here he flies from Mexico to the USA. Regular flights.

Now flies to San Antonio.

In October 20, a new flight is opened on the new (last batch of SSJ) Monterey (Mexico) - Houston (USA).

[typhoon7]

More than twenty billion green ones have been built into this project (according to some estimates about thirty), it will never pay off. The engines, avionics of the West, tried to match the project to the British, but they prudently refused. Now we need to invest another bunch of dough on our avionics and engines. Here, the money was really sawn unmeasured. Plus, the Zapadents probably paid our bureaucrats and the top of the KLA well for the destruction of Tupolev and Ilyushin.

[uge.garik]

self-sufficiency and import-independence are the foundation, and the rest is and was ... just want to want ... well, really ...

[saag]

And that VASO will not be able to produce it?

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! Well, they also compared the TU134 jet and turboprop-TU more comfortable and faster !!!

[406ppm2gv]

ISKANDER25 (2) SU  Today, 20:12 New


Hello! Well, they also compared the TU134 jet and turboprop-TU more comfortable and faster !!!

we will proceed from the fact that TU and IL have different tasks. TU again needs concrete + take-off take-off. IL needs a shorter GDP length, as well as an unpretentious primer. in childhood I had to fly on IL-14, took off from the primer. and on LI-2 it still rocked heavily. I am very glad that such a plane is being reborn. regional companies will buy it. attractiveness, in the option of 64 and 76 seats, will be interesting.

[406ppm2gv]

ISKANDER25 (2) SU  Today, 20:12 New


Hello! Well, they also compared the TU134 jet and turboprop-TU more comfortable and faster !!!

we will proceed from the fact that TU and IL have different tasks. TU again needs concrete + take-off take-off. IL needs a shorter GDP length, as well as an unpretentious primer. in childhood I had to fly on IL-14, took off from the primer. and on LI-2 it still rocked heavily. I am very glad that such a plane is being reborn. regional companies will buy it. attractiveness, in the option of 64 and 76 seats, will be interesting.

[sv68]

I wonder how long eggs will be scratched in our aircraft industry before they start releasing il114 again. Can Rogozin still be able to help this plane rise to the sky.

[pinecone]

On Monday he said that "China is interested in the joint production of an updated version of the Il-114 passenger aircraft."

Well, if China were not interested, then what?

[donavi49]

So, who are the customers? Today, the aircraft should be sold in a good series, so that it would be profitable to put it on stream.

TAPO sold 0 IL-114 on commercial terms. Under the terms of discounts and bribes of 15 planes (and 6 planes of a state-owned company, which they pressed and kneeled with their knees), from which 1 crashed, 2 broke down and went into denial.

If you make another An-148 / 158 which no one will buy without a bribe or order, then why is it necessary? Trite is another hang on the budget. If there is co-financing, for example, China, then you can already start a shop under this order, plus there 20-30 machines can be distributed by departments (Navy, Ministry of Emergencies, North Ossetia and others), 20-30 can be sold on extremely favorable terms to airlines in the country, and there it’s still possible to catch up.

[Deadmen]

But are they noisy or, according to European standards, was the reserve in them?

[boris117]

Quote: denis fj

If there is NOT a real Concept for the Commercial Use of these airliners in the passenger air transportation market, then even firm orders from the Ministry of Defense or other departments will NOT save the situation.

In such cases, a government decision should appear - a state order and the profit from the use of the entire state. For a long time, all aviation should be in the hands of the state. Nothing there to do private traders at all. Let them sew pants, make refrigerators, sharpen shoes, raise cattle, open the sea. But in the nuclear, aviation, railway, oil, gas sectors, mining, the medical industry there is nothing to do. Ditch and sell everything that touches.

[pvv113]

Quote: jaguar

IL-114 is designed to replace the An-24 and Yak-40 aircraft.

An-24 (An-26 in the transport version) has been serving faithfully for more than half a century. God forbid that the working age of the IL-114 was not shorter

[Mih]

An-24 (An-26 in the transport version)

A good car, but the onboard engineer got off the board when the propeller came off.

[Reader]

here by the way and real help from sanctions. If they weren’t, they would have assembled the Dash 8 Bombardier. Moreover, they assemble the aircraft from the discharge, and we install seats, toilet bowls, paint and it seems like a domestic plane turned out.
And now there is a real opportunity to put IL-114 into production. A very necessary car in our open spaces.

[Mih]

Gentlemen, what are you talking about? Oh remember. Screw machines are the last century. Do you want to ditch the aircraft? Engines located near the ground are vulnerable - hits, even in the initial mode - are critical.
All major aviation companies have long abandoned this type of fan-winged engine.
Hit in the air intake, any little things - a dynamic blow that destroys the engine.
With screws - this is a different story. In case of engine failure, the pilot must put the screws in the "weather vane". The resistance of the screws during flight and landing ... Well, what else to say? I’ll say - you send ...

[jaguar]

Valentin, did you hit vodka today? Or smoke what? What air intake ??? What is the last century ??? Analogs of IL-114 ..... Saab-340 ... Saab 2000 ... Embraer-120 (although the latter is not quite a classmate) .. open your eyes.

[Mih]

Valentin, did you hit vodka today? Or smoke what? What air intake ???

Well, maybe I'm behind, maybe. But he did not see the winged wings. I ask you, clairvoyant pan, give me, siroma, a link to modern airplanes. (I'm not at all in the subject)

[Reader]

Dash 8 Q400 from Bombardier and ATR 72-500-600. Although Canadians bypassed Europeans and orders mainly for Dash 8 go. But both aircraft are quite modern.
If at least in our market we manage to gain a foothold with 114m, then there will be serious success.

[siberalt]

And why is the Yak 40 with its modifications bad? I don’t get it either.

[jaguar]

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aliner/saab2000.html........http://www.airwar.ru/enc/al
iner / d8q400.html .... enough or else?

[Barakuda]

Sorry for the specialists of ANovtsev, Yushchenko-finished off. At school, I took exams and wrote a diploma to the drone of airplanes. And now the youth does not even know that the plane has one wing, and not two.

[dchegrinec]

Quite a strange policy: first, to disown all the past, and then begin to collect stones. Little Soviet had already been returned, fearing to seem ridiculous, that is, on the quiet. Now the matter has come to technology. MiG-31, now IL-114. And why not immediately do everything rationally ..

[sgr291158]

It is necessary, it is necessary to restore our aircraft industry. After all, there were planes that became legend, they flew and didn’t fly badly, and there were world records.

[jPilot]

Well, have they really remembered that the country needs its own modern aviation technology! And then the shame, once an aviation country for several years of "sensitive" leadership of the Lebirasts, was practically left without its own modern aviation industry. Well, maybe thanks to the sanctions, enlightenment will begin in the brains of those in power. As the saying goes "there would be no happiness, but misfortune helped" well, why is everything so through Zh.OPU !!!!!!

[Zomanus]

It would be nice to produce these aircraft not only in passenger versions. Then there will be an incentive for modernization and mass production. In general, for a full-fledged production of aircraft, we first need to start the production of baby engines for small and medium-sized aircraft.

[UralMan]

This feeling gathered here TsAGI ELITE.
Discuss the problem of aircraft manufacturing.
Well, Putin approved. He approves a lot.
I think so I don’t understand at all in the aircraft industry, I’m not from TsAGI - RELIABLE, COMFORTABLE must be done
And they will definitely do it.
There is just no need here to storm this portal with eloquence a good bad screw, etc., it is furious to rate the pros and beat the unwanted cons.

[Magadan]

Quote: avt

2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?

This is the most common wrecking. Here is a fact (true according to TU-204)

1) “Unfortunately, an extremely dangerous tendency has recently emerged of thoughtless lobbying by the government structures for the interests of the domestic aircraft building complex. We ask you to support the issue of the inadmissibility of the serial launch of the TU-204 aircraft on Russian air routes and the continuation of the leasing of advanced models of Western aircraft ”. (Letter from the Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on Economics A. Livshits to the Government of the Russian Federation NA-1-1268Л from April 3 to 1995 of the year).

2) That's why IL generally laughs through tears: Rogozin at a meeting of some "responsible persons" said so - "write your opinion on this plane in writing. And then I will show the President what you wrote." Well, these "faces", who had previously blamed the IL-114, changed their point of view by 180 degrees. Now the plane is good

3) We add to the fact that the Federal Air Transport Agency for some reason encircles Crimea with exorbitant fees. Read: http://www.trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=30322 (ROSAVIATION SHOWS CRIMEA)

In short, we need the PEST LAW!

[ydjin]

[quote = boris117] [quote = denis fj]
In such cases, a government decision should appear - a state order and the profit from the use of the entire state. For a long time, all aviation should be in the hands of the state. Nothing there to do private traders at all. Let them sew pants, make refrigerators, sharpen shoes, raise cattle, open the sea. But in the nuclear, aviation, railway, oil, gas sectors, mining, the medical industry there is nothing to do. Ditch and sell everything that touches. [/ Quote]
I completely agree with you, dear! You +

[qwert]

Quote: Alekseev

1. How good is the IL-114 itself, doesn’t it need now, in order for it to be competitively capable, modernization and what?
2. Why didn't you buy these planes from TAPO? Intrigues of enemies? Neglect, laziness?

1. The plane as a whole meets modern requirements and could very well be purchased by domestic airlines. Regarding modernization. As I understand it, that’s exactly what the money was allocated for.
2. Because airplanes are bought by private airlines. What are they thinking? About profit. Therefore, they buy used cars abroad. They are cheaper, plus service is established, plus purchases are made by a person receiving a rollback from the Western manufacturers.
The government must break this situation. There should be subsidies not only for development, but also for the provision of after-sales service. In addition, profitable acquisition schemes have been developed. Type of interest-free leasing. Plus, the duty on airplanes purchased abroad, primarily second-hand ones. When the company enters large-scale production, the price will become more than attractive, only now this is the state’s task. Private companies before the public interest as before the moon. Capitalism is the same .... The measure of profit for everything. Therefore, money goes for the galley.

[Kacap0004]

And yet, why the IL-114? The future belongs to turbojet engines. And so investing in dead-end branches there will be even more lag in more promising (and profitable) directions.

[alekc73]

Turboprops are more economical on small-medium-sized routes. Kerosene is now expensive. Everyone considers money. Reliability and fuel consumption are the most important characteristics.

[Kacap0004]

Probably, kerosene is still not the most expensive item in the cost of an air ticket, otherwise all sorts of low-cost airlines would fly only on them.

[Prager]

it's just a great machine, it is urgently needed for regional aviation, in which there were only veterans released back in Soviet times. It is not clear why to develop a new aircraft based on the IL-114, if there is a ready-made machine. none other than for theft from the budget.

[borys]

In the discussion of this topic a lot of reasonable was said, but there is a lot of idle talk.
The Jordanian order TAPOiCH fulfilled, although with a delay. By the way, this
were not standard IL-76 (MD, TD), but significantly different IL-76MF.
They are 6,6 meters longer and with PS-90 engines, respectively more
carrying capacity. Now for the main question. In 2002, the Russian
Vyborg Airlines purchased 2 IL-114 aircraft, which have been successfully exported
were plowed. Perhaps they fly today, I don’t know. 1 or 2 cars
were acquired by the Russian Ministry of Defense. 3 cars were purchased by National Aviation
company of Uzbekistan, where they are successfully operated to this day. What-
If the catastrophe in Domodedovo in 1999, then we did not see the conclusions of the state
commission, so do not scold the plane.