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Why Russia loses the modern stage of “Drang nach Osten”? (Part of 1)

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Why Russia loses the modern stage of “Drang nach Osten”? (Part of 1)


The events taking place in Ukraine have been in the spotlight for almost a year now and have been covered by the media from various points of view, with the exception of one - historical. And from this point of view, the Ukrainian tragedy is just the next stage in the centuries-old Western policy regarding the Slavic world, including Russia, called “Onslaught on the East”.

As a result of the implementation of this policy, some Slavic peoples, together with their faith, lost their history, language and national identity, as happened with the modern population of Germany or Austria. Others, retaining the Slavic language, turned into a blind and completely devoted instrument to their new master in the further struggle with the Slavic world, which happened to the Poles. All the rebellious peoples were completely exterminated, sharing the fate of the Prussians.

This genocide was stopped only by Russian troops in the 12-13 centuries in the Baltics, who fought shoulder to shoulder with local tribes against the Vatican Crusaders. And although the Horde invasion did not allow the Baltics to be defended at that time, "Drang nach Osten" was stopped on the banks of the Neva and on the ice of Lake Peipsi. And thanks to Russian support, the Baltic nations were able to preserve their native languages ​​and national identity. (Which, unfortunately, is not valued by their “educated” layers at the present time.)

In the future, the Russian people had to stop this onslaught repeatedly: in the Time of Troubles, in the 1812 year, and in the 1856.

The penultimate campaign of the West organized by him under the auspices of Nazi Germany ended in complete failure. However, the latter, under the banner of democracy, carried out by the hands of the cultivated fifth column, was a success. The Russian world was split into many separate parts. Including a separate state association called "Ukraine". The vector of its further development, the Russian or Western civilization, radically changes the distribution of forces between these antagonistic civilizations throughout Eastern Europe.

Why are Russian and Western civilizations, being called formally Christian, nonetheless antagonistic?

The fact is that no matter how the religion is called, the main thing is what god it actually serves. By and large, all religions can be divided into two camps. Some worship God the Creator, the Creator and Almighty of this world, goodness, light, truth and life.

Other religions serve his opponent — the degraded spirit of EVIL, DARKNESS, LIES, AND DEATH. THE ORGANIC SIGNIFICATION OF SUCH CULTIS IS A MANDATORY BLOODY SURVIVAL OF PEOPLE OR AT LEAST ANIMALS.

Based on the commandments of Jesus Christ, there is an opportunity to evaluate how this or that Church actually corresponds to its name.

Considering the essence of Western civilization (ZP) and following the Gospel covenant “You will recognize them by their deeds”, separating the deeds from the words, we will see that in essence it was not Christian from the very beginning. The litmus paper on the incompatibility with the name "Christian" was not only the fact of unceasing mass human killings both during the violent Christianization and in the subsequent purposeful activity of the Catholic inquisition, but also the fact of organizing the SALE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF INDULGENCES - official documents for exemption for money from the cost of sins.

Thus, THESE SPECIFIC ACTION THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS PUT A GOLDEN CALCUM ABOVE JESUS ​​CHRIST, RECOGNIZING THE MATERIAL WEALTH OF ABOVE SPIRITUAL PERFECTION (CLEANING).

That is, it turns out that in the name of Jesus Christ the Vatican only covered his god, about whom in the Gospel of John Christ said: “Your father is the devil; and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and did not stand in the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of lies. ”

The various versions of Protestantism, which later rebounded from Catholicism in the heart of the Orthodox Church, in general, went on to practice according to the norms not of the New, but of the Old, that is, pre-Christian testament, to which Christ’s followers spoke about their father and lie mankillers. It is noteworthy that in the US there is an openly Satanist church.

It is not surprising, therefore, that the WZ throughout its history consistently and extremely mercilessly acted solely in the interests of "the father of lies and murderers", organizing everywhere, where she could reach, massive bloody human sacrifices through wars, colonial seizures, bonfires and torture halls of the Inquisition, concentration camps, use biological, chemical and nuclear weapons of mass destruction, economic crises, etc.

Therefore, with all certainty it can be argued that WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS NOT ONLY NOT ON ITS CHRISTIAN NATURE, BUT IS A DIRECTLY OPPOSITE - ANTI-CHRISTIAN CIVILIZATION. Civilization of Evil, Darkness, Lies and Death.

Russian civilization (RC) is also called Christian. But the Russian people could find and accept the rational grain of the teachings of Christ. And most likely - he lived on these principles initially. That is why Christianity received its most complete development precisely in Russia. And prominent people who maintain objectivity, including representatives of the LC, testify to this in their statements:

“Russian people work conscientiously and gratuitously if there is a moral idea in society, a righteous goal.” (Friedrich Hegel, German philosopher.)

"Russian culture does not accept debauchery." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe, German writer.)

“Russian people will never be happy, knowing that injustice is happening somewhere.” (Charles de Gaulle, French statesman, President of France.)

The German researcher B. Shubart in his work “Europe and the Soul of the East” writes quite directly: “... Russian possesses Christian virtues as permanent national properties. Russians were Christians before they were converted to Christianity. ”

From this it turns out that Jesus Christ preached to the ancient Jews the commandments according to which the Russian people lived from time immemorial.

“Russian Orthodoxy, contrary to current opinion, is the organic, natural, and logical continuation of the many thousands of years of“ paganism ”of the Rus. All its roots, images, symbols, the idea itself and the philosophical meaning - exclusively and initially in the oldest traditional beliefs of the Rus ... all ancient Orthodox churches of Russia are built on the foundations of "pagan" sanctuaries - and this is not a denial of those, but a sign of continuity. " (Petukhov Yu. D.).

If we trace the history of the RC, we will see that for millennia, even from pre-state entities, Russia was attacked from all sides for the purpose of enslavement. Including from ZTs. That is why in modern English “slave” sounds like “slave”.

At the same time, the Russians themselves never went on marches to their neighbors in order to capture slaves. Whatever peoples the Russian people faced, even having crushed them in the historical confrontation (Kazan Khanate or Poland), he did not turn the defeated into slaves, but on equal terms included them in his state.

That is, MENTALITY OF THE RUSSIAN HUMAN BEING IS CARDINALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE MENTALITY OF PRACTICALLY ALL OTHER PEOPLE. A Russian considers a person of a different nationality or religion to be the same person as himself, whom it is not worthwhile to turn into a “speaking instrument”, as the Europeans have constantly been doing since antiquity. This is not godly.

Thus, comprehending all of the above and making the necessary discount on human imperfection, one can rightly say that RUSSIAN CIVILIZATION LIVES AND DEVELOPS IN THE VECTOR OF GOD-CREATOR, the vector of LIGHT, GOOD, TRUTH AND LIFE. A distinctive feature of the Russian civilization - she never developed the work of slaves.

It is not surprising that systematically distributed in the Ukrainian media, which are in the hands of pro-Western forces, rather harsh reproaches to citizens that they, living for 20 years in independent Ukraine, did not become Ukrainians, are directed specifically and exclusively to the Russians. And absolutely not imposed on the Hungarians or the Poles. The reaction of a free Western society in this case is absolutely predictable - the West will not tolerate any hint of violence against the representatives of these peoples. But to the Russians it’s considered quite acceptable and, as far as possible, a hypocritical West is welcome. Such a national policy of the current ruling junta testifies that the war in Ukraine is of a civilizational nature.

And this war is covered by the Western and Ukrainian media precisely from the positions of the ZP and through its main weapons - Lies.

So, it is clear to any sensible person that the events in Ukraine are the result of the US aggression against this country, carried out not only by using their own army, but by means of pre-prepared traitors from the local population. The Western media is shamelessly lying to the whole world, fearing its Russian aggression.

The howl raised by these means that Putin replays the West in Ukraine is also a continuation of the lie. For, if you calmly look at the situation, it is clear that the return of the Crimea is only a private success that does not change the situation of the general strategic offensive of the West. Since instead of sea-based munitions planned for deployment in the Crimea, the West has the opportunity to place similar means, but land-based and (or) air-based, somewhere near Chernigov or Poltava.

And this false howl is intended to provide informational cover for the generally successful Western aggression in Ukraine.

Therefore, we need to firmly understand that modern war is fought mainly in the information field. And the one who wins there, he wins the war as a whole.

And, unfortunately, while success is clearly on the side of the West, which is clearly seen from the degree of zombies that exists in Ukrainian society, its focus on the harsh military reprisals against the recalcitrant population of the south-east of the country.
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  1. Yu-81
    Yu-81 16 October 2014 09: 39
    +17
    But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Another article from the "Everything is lost" series.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 16 October 2014 09: 48
      +11
      it is clear that the return of Crimea is only a private success that does not change the situation of the general strategic offensive of the West

      Disagree ..! The return of Crimea is the beginning of the revival of the "Russian world" and the basis of everything that is happening now in the South-East and will happen in Ukraine and beyond ... Not all at once and not so quickly!
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 16 October 2014 13: 07
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        the beginning of the revival of the "Russian world"


        ... moreover, many open hearts respond to the call of the Russian world:
        16.10.2014
        The 23-year-old German citizen was on sick leave for two weeks, and then did not show up at the duty station in the German city of Zedorf. According to local media, the soldier is currently in Ukraine and is taking part in battles on the side of the militia.

        According to Deutsche Welle media company, a witness who spoke with the missing soldier via the WhatsApp short message service said he was in Ukraine, where he was fighting on the side of the militias.

        According to RIA Novosti with reference to local media, a soldier is a native of one of the countries of the former Soviet Union.

        The Ministry of Defense of Germany confirmed that in the barracks in Lower Saxon Zedorf, where the disappeared soldier served, an investigation is being conducted into desertion.
        Together with the paratrooper, his body armor and helmet were gone.



        Source - http://russian.rt.com/article/54657#ixzz3GIPGDcdm
    2. Owl27
      Owl27 16 October 2014 09: 55
      +12
      And I was waiting for people to say about Crimea: "Yes, nothing like that, just think about it!" "The return of Crimea is only a partial success ...." I wonder what the author would write if there was a massacre and blood up to his knees? Well done, the main thing is to belittle everything, to reduce all successes to zero, and so to speak insinuatingly, while the West wins! Well done author, you ------
      1. WKS
        WKS 16 October 2014 10: 37
        +12
        Quote: Owl27
        And I was waiting for people to say about Crimea: "Yes, nothing like that, just think about it!" "The return of Crimea is only a partial success ...." I wonder what the author would write if there was a massacre and blood up to his knees? Well done, the main thing is to belittle everything, to reduce all successes to zero, and so to speak insinuatingly, while the West wins! Well done author, you ------

        I will stand up for the author. He is a radicalist of course, but 100% of our people. As for Crimea, he is partly right, since his return to Russia is a fait accompli and belongs to history already. Let them historians sing praises on this subject. Now the struggle for the integrity of the Russian world is unfolding in Ukraine and it is precisely its result that causes the uncertainty of the future. The author needs a victory in this struggle, complete and unconditional. He writes about this. Many wrote about this. But I would add from A. Blok:
        "Come to us! From the horrors of war
        Come into peaceful embrace!
        Before it's too late - the old sword in the sheath,
        Comrades! We will become - brothers!


        And if not - we have nothing to lose,
        And we are not above treachery!
        Century, century - you will be cursed
        Sick later offspring!
        "
        1. Owl27
          Owl27 16 October 2014 11: 36
          +5
          The story is happening before our eyes and with our participation, on May 9th we were in Crimea and saw the joy of joining, we heard people talking, now they know what is happening in the Donbass and they would have the same (if not worse) , and the fact that they didn’t earn an extra ruble in the summer, nothing, but everyone is alive! This history has not gone into centuries, it is today, and there is no need to belittle it! And you don’t need to cheat people, give the Olympics, give the Crimea, give troops to Ukraine! come on to Washington, Berlin and ....
          There is a war on all fronts, and those who have stronger nerves are also important, it’s very easy to criticize for any reason, but to make decisions ...
          Thank you very much for the lines from A. Bloc !!!
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 16 October 2014 13: 33
          0
          Quote: wks
          He is a radicalist of course, but 100% of our people.


          “Somosa, maybe a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch”
          Not really, the first couple of paragraphs are nothing, but then ......
      2. Velikoruss
        Velikoruss 17 October 2014 00: 05
        +2
        ... the West is winning! Well done author, to you ------

        Only emotions. If you soberly evaluate the results of the twentieth century, then, unfortunately, the way it is. Arguing:
        A powerful, self-sufficient state with a developed industry, advanced science, effective education, healthy public morals, having a stable positive balance of population growth, actively helping neighboring countries, winning a terrible war and, I emphasize, which carries Russian spiritual values ​​to the world, through the efforts of pro-Western agents of influence in the highest echelons of power, without a fight, is given to the mercy of Western customers. Catastrophic losses begin in all of the above areas, the country is torn apart into many fragments, in many of which real persecution of Russians begins. Fertility is falling, mortality is rising, the economy is crumbling. Public morality is degrading. The most oppressed part of the population in Russia and the former republics of the USSR are Russians. There is a powerful impact on the younger generation, discrediting Russian values ​​in their minds and replacing them with anti-Russian values. Young people are rapidly becoming dull. From the most reading country we slipped into the company of the most unreading. Now the younger generation cannot live even half an hour without a "brain prosthesis" in their hand. Even the prime minister, the former president of the country, is given the nickname "iPhone". What I have listed is only part of Russia's losses; it will not be enough to list everything in a whole page. This, in your opinion, is not a victory of the West?
    3. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 16 October 2014 10: 04
      +8
      Quote: yu-xnumx
      Another article from the "Everything is lost" series.


      - I support!

      From ourselves: we need to hold out at least until the middle of 2015. If for us everything ends successfully - excellent! If American dogs continue to provoke the world into global conflict and drive us into the cage, Russia will have to adequately and aggressively respond (since there will be nowhere to go). And we will answer by holding some kind of competent provocation in one of the Baltic countries (certain departments know how to do this). For we must be aware that, unfortunately, the West, led by the United States, understands only power.

      USA - SHOULD BE DESTROYED!
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 16 October 2014 10: 08
      +3
      It’s not yet evening, our media are working in the right direction, in this case the enemy’s numerical advantage is affecting.
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    6. I doubt it
      I doubt it 16 October 2014 10: 12
      +10
      Articles from the series "everything is lost" just most fully reflect the reality of what is happening. In my opinion. And the attempt to stigmatize is just another confirmation of this. In fact, it has now become very fashionable (and unfortunately effective) to hang the label - "an article from the series is all gone."
      Your installation - not a step away from officialdom! If drained - so it is NECESSARY! So such a LINE!

      The author of the article is huge +.
      1. xan
        xan 16 October 2014 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: I doubt it
        Your installation - not a step away from officialdom! If drained - so it is NECESSARY! So such a LINE!

        But they don’t pour it, these are tanks to Kiev, or to Lviv, and there it is not far from Lisbon.
        So chtoli?
        Nobody drains anything, time works for us. The Kiev junta itself is eating childishly, recently it is visible with the naked eye. And in the Donbass they are building a state and trying to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe, which Kiev does not do.
        1. I doubt it
          I doubt it 16 October 2014 12: 54
          +3
          “And they don’t drain, it’s tanks to Kiev, or to Lvov ...” - again an attempt to marginalize everyone who does not agree with the cowardly policy of the GDP regarding Novorosiya. And a treacherous domestic policy towards the Russian people.
          I don't give a damn about the stamps. Stamp.
          Crush ukrohunta is quite possible economically. So do not do it. And such a goal is not set. And they meet with powders and carry on negotiations ... And they call up regularly with Merkel. Who are you negotiating with? With the Nazis? With ghouls? Who hand shook the GDP? What will not be discussed with Merkel?

          And about "time is on us .." since April, they repeat like a mantra. Yes, all the way.
          In the Donbass, of course, they are building a state. Only similar to the current Russian, not at all what was seen at the beginning ....
        2. varov14
          varov14 16 October 2014 12: 56
          +3
          I read the comments and am surprised, everyone draws news on television, but interprets them based on their own worldview. Without knowing the true state of affairs, it is better to take a neutral position, naturally not to the problem itself, but to the interpretation of opportunities. It is necessary not to evaluate, not to overestimate - any action must be given the appropriate opposition, as in mechanics, otherwise the "beam" will break.
    7. APES
      APES 16 October 2014 13: 38
      +2
      Quote: yu-xnumx
      Another article from the "Everything is lost" series.

      I do not agree, nothing was lost and not from this series ...
      article about the war between evil and good!

      regarding Russia - the answer: "And the gates of hell will not prevail against it."

      Question: Why is Brzezinski most afraid of the Russian Orthodox Church?
      1. Podiks
        Podiks 17 October 2014 09: 30
        0
        But you didn’t wonder why, at the sepulcher of the Lord, only Orthodox clergy are allowed to the sacrament?
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  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2014 09: 42
    +33
    The article is long, I will answer briefly: “Why is Russia losing the current stage of Drang nach Osten? -Elementary! because there was no time to look around, the last 20 years were divided by wells and derricks, corporations and banks! and when they finished dividing, they looked around and saw: oops ... so the villains surrounded us! can take away everything "acquired by back-breaking labor" .. belay . briefly something like this ... crying
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 16 October 2014 09: 55
      +4
      Nothing, "Russia harnesses for a long time, but goes fast"!
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 16 October 2014 10: 12
        +8
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Nothing, "Russia harnesses for a long time, but goes fast"!


        Whom to harness? Well, even though the army was brought into a divine form after the furniture maker (honor and praise to Kuzhegetovich and his team!) Here is the prime minister to put such a Shoigu to raise the country's economy, agriculture, and eliminate the country's import dependence.
        1. P-38
          P-38 16 October 2014 11: 30
          +2
          Quote: predator.3
          Here’s also the premiere of putting someone like Shoigu,

          Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, in the top ten. BUT WHERE TO TAKE IT? That is the question
          1. varov14
            varov14 16 October 2014 13: 03
            0
            Russia was deprived, twenty years have not been in vain.
            1. APES
              APES 16 October 2014 13: 45
              +2
              Quote: varov14
              Russia was deserted, twenty years have not been in vain

              the birth rate in Russia, not linking with other countries, but comparing the years with each other, the fraction is given birth data for 1000 people and this is data based on statistics and given the number of citizens, and not just a bare figure:

              1950 2 745 997 / 26,9
              1960 2 782 353 / 23,2
              1970 1 903 713 / 14,6
              1980 2 202 779 / 15,9
              1990 1 988 858 / 13,4
              1995 1 363 806 / 9,3
              2000 1 266 800 / 8,7
              2001 1 311 604 / 9,0
              2002 1 396 967 / 9,7
              2003 1 477 301 / 10,2
              2004 1 502 477 / 10,4
              2005 1 457 376 / 10,2
              2006 1 479 637 / 10,3
              2007 1 610 122 / 11,3
              2008 1 713 947 / 12,0
              2009 1 761 687 / 12,3
              2010 1 788 948 / 12,5
              2011 1 796 629 / 12,6
              2012 1 896 263 / 13,3
              2013 1 901 182 / 13,3 (by the way, mortality in 2013 has decreased from 13,3 to 13,1 people per 1000 population, which has led to population growth).
              The natural increase in 2013 year amounted to 22,9 thousand people !!!
              in 2014 of the Russian Federation - the only country in Europe where there is an increase in population!
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        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 16 October 2014 14: 50
          +3
          Quote: predator.3
          To harness

          When you all understand that everything cannot depend on one person. Yes, put in place the prime minister, even Shoigu - the result, at the moment, will be the same. The opposition of the liberals and the west is too strong. Do you really think Putin would not have agreed with Medvedev to leave his post if the whole thing were in it? For Putin, the main task now is the rearmament of the Army. At the same time, the country will not be pulled by the rise of the economy, agriculture, etc. Therefore, I think, now it does not matter who is the Prime Minister: if only he hadn’t done harm, but he hadn’t noticed any wrecking.
          But when we have successfully completed the rearmament of the Army, then the time will come to solve internal problems in the country, and accordingly change the prime minister to another person.
          I am sure that before the end of his first term, Putin will not remove Medvedev, most likely they have such an agreement. Previously, they will remove it, only with some force majeure.
          Therefore, whether we want it or not, we will have to accept everything as it is: the indecisive prime minister will stand at the helm and do what the president has outlined for him - no more, no less.
          Of course, since I do not think many, so I got ready to catch the cons!
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 16 October 2014 16: 08
            0
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            an indecisive prime minister will stand at the helm and do what the president has outlined for him - no more, no less.


            Yes, this prime minister does not fulfill the intended! As a notary public, he stayed! The country needs a business executive like Kosygin!
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 16 October 2014 18: 03
              0
              Quote: predator.3
              The country needs a business executive like Kosygin!

              I think at the moment even Kosygin would not have done "the weather" - he is used to working in a planned economy, and not in the mess that is happening now, especially in the economy.
              I say it again, when the time comes for decisive changes in economic construction, the cabinet of ministers will be headed by a new competent prime minister, to whom in the future we will still "sing praises." And I do not exclude the possibility that this prime minister, after Putin, may become president.
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 16 October 2014 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      The article is long, I will answer briefly: “Why is Russia losing the current stage of Drang nach Osten? -Elementary! because there was no time to look around, the last 20 years were divided by wells and derricks, corporations and banks! and when they finished dividing, they looked around and saw: oops ... so the villains surrounded us! can take away everything "acquired by back-breaking labor" .. belay . briefly something like this ... crying

      Andrei Yurievich, you are absolutely right. Our country, I hope so far, is not an example of social justice, not corruption. From Ukraine, citizens about Russia and before the Nazis came to power did not have a high opinion, but now under the influence of Goebbels propaganda, it becomes sharply critical. My former commander, 70 years old, an extremely decent person, from the Poltava province via skype told me that the main reason for dissatisfaction with the authorities in Ukraine is precisely social injustice and the dominance of oligarchs. This was used by the Nazis, among whom there are almost no oligarchs. This is where the mattresses played. He, my friend, naively still hopes to live as in Europe and does not perceive my objections. How did these oligarchs get it? Now the authority of Vladimir Vladimirovich is at its best, thanks to the patriotism of the population, reunification with the Crimea, but the economic situation is deteriorating, since our comprador government does not act fully in the interests of Russia, still hoping for the mercy of the enemies, that is, partners. God forbid, lose the battle in the Donbass, this the patriots will not forgive. We are ready to endure, if necessary, but the president, if he wants to stay for 4 terms, should think more about the people, and not about the rich and super rich.
  3. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 16 October 2014 09: 45
    +13
    from the Don.
    I completely agree with the author. And an example of a war between the West and Orthodoxy is the seizure of Orthodox churches, the impossibility of conducting religious rites on the so-called Ukraine. But good has always triumphed over evil.
    1. tanit
      tanit 16 October 2014 09: 59
      +9
      Is Russia only Orthodoxy? Evil is always against Orthodoxy, I agree. But on the good side, there are not only Orthodox ones.
      1. varov14
        varov14 16 October 2014 13: 08
        +2
        In Russia, thank God so far all religions were adequate, we have not lived together for the first century, but now they are trying to drive a wedge here.
  4. Axis
    Axis 16 October 2014 09: 47
    +12
    So we are joking about how the EU acts in Ukraine ...
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 16 October 2014 09: 48
    +3
    Why is Russia losing the current stage of Drang nach Osten? ... This is the opinion of the author .. no more .. he looks at modern politics as a game of "Chapaev" ... and here it is not "Chapaev", but rather poker .. The players are bluffing, raising rates ... but to the end more games, oh how far ...
    1. 23 region
      23 region 16 October 2014 10: 06
      -4
      Quote: parusnik
      ... This is the opinion of the author .. no more .. he looks at modern politics as a game of "Chapaev" ... and here it is not "Chapaev", but rather poker ..

      Again, conspiracy theology, Jews, the Masons, UFOs, LSD ...
      Often, the conspiracy thesis hypothesis can simply and clearly explain some complex phenomenon, which makes us believe in its truth.

      Even if there is no serious evidence of a secret conspiracy, people ignorant of scientific methodology are only intriguing.
      “Don’t you know? They are all in collusion - Jews, Vatican, dictators, and democrats. ”
      - C. S. Lewis, Divorce.
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      4. 23 region
        23 region 16 October 2014 10: 27
        -2
        And from this point of view, the Ukrainian tragedy is just another stage in the centuries-old Western policy regarding the Slavic world, including Russia, called “Onslaught on the East”.

        “Skeptic: Yes, not really a world conspiracy? Or maybe not one?
        StalinUberJedi: Ten. Counted. The masses are to blame for three, the Jews are two, the other two pin.do.sy, the two more Jedi and the one Sith.
        Skeptic: Is there a Russian world conspiracy? And then suddenly there is, but I do not participate.
        StalinUberJedi: Yes. It consists in the fact that behind all ten are Russians who have long ruled the galaxy. But I did not tell you comrades.
        Skeptic: Fuh, a stone from my heart, I will be silent, like ice on a fish. ”

        Conspiracy theory - an attempt to explain the origin of a certain event is completely different from what the authorities tell the masses, which has grown into an unshakable conviction that in fact it was the result of a conspiracy of certain persons.
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 16 October 2014 11: 41
          +2
          Quote: Region 23
          23 region (1)

          I read, I read, but my opinion (I think that is true) as soon as the prosecutor, the judge from Krasnodar (I won’t tell you about the police), I’m surely a bribe taker and extortionist. Traced for a quarter century.
          1. 23 region
            23 region 16 October 2014 13: 10
            0
            Quote: valokordin
            Quote: Region 23
            23 region (1)

            I read, I read, but my opinion (I think that is true) as soon as the prosecutor, the judge from Krasnodar (I won’t tell you about the police), I’m surely a bribe taker and extortionist. Traced for a quarter century.

            Tradition, however. But seriously, the posts of judge and prosecutor should be elected.
          2. varov14
            varov14 16 October 2014 13: 26
            0
            So this is because the law is replaced by interpretation, and it’s like a drawbar, where you turned there and left. Naturally goes beyond the bribe.
        2. varov14
          varov14 16 October 2014 13: 22
          +1
          Don't you know that the whole world exists through collusion, agreement, and so is anarchy. And so secret or explicit, the tenth matter.
    2. xan
      xan 16 October 2014 12: 25
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      Players are bluffing, raising bets ... but until the end of the game yet, oh how far ...

      One thing is clear without doubt, at least for me - for Russia to win, it must be a socially just state with a modern independent economy. Other states will be drawn to such a state, and inside we will have all the nonsense.
  6. yashka12007
    yashka12007 16 October 2014 09: 49
    0
    What to do?
  7. Riz-a
    Riz-a 16 October 2014 09: 53
    +4
    Therefore, we need to firmly understand that modern war is fought mainly in the information field. And the one who wins there, he wins the war as a whole.

    I didn’t know, I didn’t know how the war was won.
    I ran to sell the AK-74 and buy 10 more computers. The supporters will come, I will shoot back with "mice" and "clavs"
  8. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 16 October 2014 09: 57
    +10
    Russia is not losing. She plays big. She has the opportunity to take the whole bank.
    But the West is bluffing.

    And historical examples, with the reference that the West at all times is at war with the Russians is not entirely true. If representatives of a different nationality lived here, they would still be enemies for them, like Indians to the "conquerors" of America. The West needs a territory with its riches, not Russian people. It's just that the Russian people ended up in this territory.
    WE ARE GUILTY ONLY THOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO EAT THEM.

    We are a self-sufficient country and we can live without them, but they do not.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 16 October 2014 16: 54
      0
      and not formatted for their worship of Mammon
  9. ramsi
    ramsi 16 October 2014 09: 58
    +1
    you don't even know what to say; because "not the strongest have a victory, and not the fastest run successfully"
  10. __HOPMAH__
    __HOPMAH__ 16 October 2014 09: 59
    +1
    Good article
  11. 2sila
    2sila 16 October 2014 09: 59
    0
    Nonsense. Yes, on the contrary, we just started.
  12. pravednik
    pravednik 16 October 2014 10: 00
    +3
    The article is very correct. Russians are real Christians, and Western civilization is from the evil one from the devil. This can be seen from their actions.
  13. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 16 October 2014 10: 00
    0
    What to do? ===== To develop campaigning in the media as fast and powerful as possible. We are beaten. We must not substitute. We must strike. And much. How? - a question to politicians.
  14. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 16 October 2014 10: 03
    +3
    The article is literate, although I do not agree with everything, but the general meaning is quite acceptable, and now is the time on the side of Russia, and on the side of the Okraintsy (fascists) nonsense, as their spiritual leader once said, “the bolder and more unscrupulous the lie, the more People believe her more willingly, "and time, as always, puts everything in its place, so we'll wait and see.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 October 2014 10: 09
    +4
    “Russian people will never be happy knowing that injustice is happening somewhere”

    de Gaulle correctly noted this character trait of the Russian people. Perhaps that is why during his leadership of France, we had a normal relationship. Charles de Gaulle is no match for the current French president, Hollande, and Sarkozy too.
  16. Serge Mikhas
    Serge Mikhas 16 October 2014 10: 22
    +4
    Loses? Why would it ... And with the Poles in Moscow, playing with both Napoleon and Hitler? Why is it that someone likes to expose the Russian world in the light of catching up. And what is essentially catching up? Maybe the Western world has some unusual humanitarian and spiritual achievements, or Western civilization has set itself some enlightened tasks and is going to him for leaders like Danko? No, his tasks are old - enslaving and oppressing the weak, well-fed parasitism on the body of developing countries, by the way, in countries historically and civilizationally older and wiser than them.
    Yes, from waves of dirt, Pharisaism, moral and bodily corruption, constant military threat. What kind of loser in this war can we talk about when the historical process in the confrontation of civilizations is measured for hundreds of years? There were times and abrupt ... Yes, tension between the parties It would be critical if society and the government were at a loss and did not see a way out of the situation, but the tasks and means were determined and time will tell who is losing there ... and this is not a game at all. And the article is very weak and author, analyst, to put it mildly, superficial .And about Crimea, not a fig yourself partial success ... The author probably wants to immediately land in Kiev or on the beaches of Nice wink
    1. xan
      xan 16 October 2014 13: 09
      0
      Quote: Serge Mikhas
      And as for the Crimea, never mind partial success ... The author probably wants to immediately land in Kiev or on the beaches of Nice to land

      the most ridiculous - in the Crimea plus, and minus the sanctions.
      I wish Russia all the time "to win partially, but mostly to lose."
      1. skullcap
        16 October 2014 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: xan
        most funny - in the plus Crimea, and in the negative sanctions

        In the red, besides - and this must be seen - practically the rest of Ukraine.
    2. skullcap
      16 October 2014 16: 14
      0
      Quote: Serge Mikhas
      I suppose the author wants to immediately land in Kiev or on the beaches of Nice

      Why not? After all, the Americans took Kiev and on the beaches of Berdyansk their hirelings host.
      The answer must be equal or stronger. Only then can we say that we win.
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 16 October 2014 16: 57
      0
      Better to go straight to Lisbon and empty a whole barrel of Porto
  17. tashyl
    tashyl 16 October 2014 10: 23
    +3
    If there were no western region in Ukraine, everything would be calm. Zapadentsev, for the most part, have always not been very friendly towards Russia (he said very softly). And the Maidan became aggressive only because of the presence there of Nazi militants from Galicia.
    Further Crimea, which went to the Russian Federation - many loyal to Russia tamers took it as a PERSONAL insult, even without the media treatment of people. Further events in the East - there is already a zombie on the wave of the alleged "Russian military aggression" already prepared by the Crimean brain flight of Ukrainians.
    Now anger escalated into hatred
    And the more people suffer from economic and social upheavals in the future, the more hatred for the Russian Federation will grow - "Russia is to blame for everything" ...
    Maybe someday this will be some kind of calmly neutral neighbor, but we won’t become brothers anymore
  18. I doubt it
    I doubt it 16 October 2014 10: 25
    +9
    The author of the article is a big plus.
    But the essence of what is happening and described can only be understood by a person in the church. Well, or at least familiar with the basics of Orthodoxy. Identifying himself with the Russian world. But definitely not a convinced atheist. Such people will not understand what it is about. That is why the current leadership of Russia is not capable of either assessing the real essence of what is happening, much less reacting adequately (and therefore does nothing). It is not Orthodox (even if Putin sometimes "lights up" in the church). It, and in particular he, does not understand what it is about. They, and in particular he, are fighting for stability, investment climate, international law, cooperation and other nonsense. Instead of paying attention to the main thing. The fact that their (partners) are not satisfied with the very existence of Russia, Russians and Orthodoxy. And they (partners) will not calm down.

    And so everything is true.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 16 October 2014 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: I doubt it
      And so everything is true.

      And your judgment is absolutely true
  19. taseka
    taseka 16 October 2014 10: 30
    +3
    Catholicism of the West in a disguised box of Freemasonry - first of all, it attacks our Orthodox Church! Need to resist!
  20. draft
    draft 16 October 2014 10: 36
    0
    “Russian Orthodoxy, contrary to current opinion, is the organic, natural, and logical continuation of the many thousands of years of“ paganism ”of the Rus. All its roots, images, symbols, the idea itself and the philosophical meaning - exclusively and initially in the oldest traditional beliefs of the Rus ... all ancient Orthodox churches of Russia are built on the foundations of "pagan" sanctuaries - and this is not a denial of those, but a sign of continuity. " (Petukhov Yu. D.).

    Heresy of a non-Orthodox person.
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  21. raketnik
    raketnik 16 October 2014 10: 39
    +1
    already wrote on deleted modders for a hidden obscenity (villains !!!!) well, we will survive the sanctions, I mean 90% of the inhabitants of Russia, (YES MATSKVA AND PETERGRAD WITHOUT OIL FALLS, CLUBS WILL DECREASE, EXHIBITIONS WILL BE FULL) Russia then survive and damn it will rejoice, well, it is necessary, it is very necessary to give an answer, at least in a word but it is clear directly and honestly
    1. xan
      xan 16 October 2014 13: 32
      0
      Quote: raketnik
      Well, we will survive the sanctions, I mean 90% of the inhabitants of Russia, (YES MATSKVA AND PETERGRAD WITHOUT OIL DOLLARS WILL BE Sluggish

      We’ll survive the sanctions, and Moscow with my beloved Peter is definitely not wilted.
  22. Everest2014
    Everest2014 16 October 2014 10: 40
    +1
    Everything is lost, we will all die :)
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  23. Ermak
    Ermak 16 October 2014 10: 50
    +1
    "Since instead of sea-based ammunition, planned to be deployed in Crimea, the West has the ability to place similar weapons, but land-based and (or) air-based, somewhere near Chernigov or Poltava." the author writes.

    Inaction, Putin would accelerate these events. And besides, one must take into account the modern world order and the state of Russia after the collapse of the USSR. I consider Crimea to be a serious achievement (worthy even for such a power as the USSR) amid all the events in the world. Perhaps of all the things that need to be done, this is only a step, but in a given place (time period), this achievement is not detracting, but rather giving an impetus.
  24. Signature
    Signature 16 October 2014 10: 51
    +2
    The article is very informative. For this reason it will not be useless. Quite the contrary. And, therefore, the author did the right thing (!) That he undertook to write it.
    And now about the controversial (of course, from my point of view).
    Moreover, I’ll choose the main one (because starting polemics over trifles is not here and not now).
    The main (in my understanding) looks like this: if a person is not religious at all, lives in a glorious society, where everything serves his good and everyone around him respects him, can something normal (not mentally abnormal) person induce, - Being in a similar (super-favorable) environment - suddenly become a fan of, say, a satanic cult?
    It seems to me that this is a rhetorical question. (In any case, I do not expect or demand an answer.) Just as good as this or that religion is, good or bad, there is a complex of problems that makes these and not other religious tenets the leading ones.
    And after all, the mechanism of this process lies not only in the plane of religious life itself ...
  25. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 16 October 2014 10: 52
    +2
    Why is Russia losing the current stage of Drang nach Osten?


    Because Russia has not adopted the counter slogan "Drang nach Westen".
    Russia has repeatedly reflected the united onslaught of Europe, but has never used the outcome of its victory.
    It is time for Russia to move from defense to the offensive, to the demilitarization of Europe and to forcing the aggressive savages of Europeans to peace.
  26. fax66
    fax66 16 October 2014 10: 57
    +1
    The title of the article (as in the yellow press) does not correspond to the content.
    I had already prepared to read how Russia is bending under the onslaught of the West ...
    And it turned out that the West is rotting and pulling Ukraine along with it ... "But Russia is losing."
  27. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 16 October 2014 11: 04
    -3
    Another article in the spirit of "Enter the troops ..."
  28. Agent 008
    Agent 008 16 October 2014 11: 08
    +3
    PCA would be grandfather ...
    1. tanit
      tanit 16 October 2014 11: 48
      +1
      Dede - a grenade under a cross with a fishing line from a straightened pin in his teeth. And there already - "grandfather" probably in purgatory, the rest - to hell.
  29. Abbra
    Abbra 16 October 2014 11: 30
    -1
    We are here, on the pages of the Military Review, also participants in the information war, whether we want it or not. Maybe not so hot, but - the participants. But the author objectively, whether he wants it or not, plays on the other side.
  30. Budilnik
    Budilnik 16 October 2014 11: 35
    +3
    thanks to the author. but I thought no one would see the religious background of Ukrainian events.
  31. lm_
    lm_ 16 October 2014 11: 39
    +5
    In general, this is the correct article. The genocide of the Russian population in Ukraine continues. But in Christian terms, we want peace around us. Here's what kind of loss we are talking about.
  32. valokordin
    valokordin 16 October 2014 11: 48
    +2
    Quote: lm_
    In general, this is the correct article. The genocide of the Russian population in Ukraine continues. But in Christian terms, we want peace around us. Here's what kind of loss we are talking about.

    And our leadership is still waiting for something good about the world. If they don’t help Donbass, the Russians in Ukraine will be khan, then again they will shake hands with Piglet.
  33. Starmos
    Starmos 16 October 2014 11: 52
    +2
    In no way do I consider myself "the ultimate truth." All the reasoning given below is just my reasoning, based on personal perception of the processes that have taken place and are now taking place in the Country and in the World ...

    ... So, it turns out that first in 1917 (but personally I am sure that much earlier, namely from the moment of the "baptism of Rus"), and then in 1991, power in Russia was seized by the "servants of the father of lies" ? I agree with the last date, and I will not even suggest, but I argue that the present Russia is under the rule of the servants of the "enemy of mankind" - it is they who destroy, replacing Russian Identity, Culture, and Truth with Western surrogates. The concept of Justice is alien to them, their pride, thirst for power and thirst for profit have no boundaries, as well as their cynicism towards the people of Russia - all ordinary people who earn their bread by their labor. When will Russia rise to a mortal battle with the "evil one"? It seems - never. Demons - servants of the devil - having become at the levers of government, they do everything so that an ordinary person would simply not be able to think about anything other than survival. Survive by consuming both material and "pseudo-spiritual" food, which is prepared by their "experts" and, with the help of the media, is put through our eyes and ears into our minds. They corrupt Russian People, especially young people and children, with such "values" and "principles" as - "tolerance", "freedom" (a very dangerous concept), "success", "beautiful life" and, of course, their main fetish - "money, a lot of money". "Free", but "communal", in essence, the Russian Man ("the world and the tyatka are more handy") - they turn into an individualist-consumer, blinkered, muzzled by problems that they themselves create for him in the form of all kinds of crises, "external and internal enemies "and other things ...
    That is why the revival, formation and strengthening of the Russian World, with existing authority - the task is impossible, because it implies the victory of Good over Evil, Light over Darkness, Truth over Krivda. And this, as you recall, is the Last Battle ...
    1. Mig 31
      Mig 31 16 October 2014 13: 12
      +6
      I agree with you completely. And my opinion is that the satanic evil in Russia came with its baptism, we all get bogged down that before the baptism in Russia lived slaughtered pagan tribes. I personally do not believe this!
  34. Wolka
    Wolka 16 October 2014 12: 29
    0
    NATO is bluffing, and therefore they carry such nonsense ...
  35. Nik S.U.
    Nik S.U. 16 October 2014 12: 47
    0
    A distinctive feature of Russian civilization - IT NEVER DEVELOPED ON THE WORK OF SLAVES

    I apologize. But what about serfdom? Or the fact that the Russian nobility in the 19th century did not know the Russian language and completely spoke French. By the way, the war of 1812 was a mass of curious cases when our men captured our officers who were not in Russian.
    1. deleter24
      deleter24 16 October 2014 16: 12
      0
      Maybe because we had serfdom, it was introduced by Boris Godunov, who was a pro-Western politician (if I'm not mistaken). And those officers who spoke French simply fell under the influence of the then French fashion (just as they like to replace Russian words with Englishisms now).
  36. jekasimf
    jekasimf 16 October 2014 13: 01
    +1
    And who said that Russia is losing? This was decided by another wise guy, who believes that the whole story began from the moment of his birth?
  37. Stinger
    Stinger 16 October 2014 13: 14
    +2
    Read. Impression - typical soft-boiled boots. Attic pseudoscientific philosophy. Typical sophistry.
  38. gandalf
    gandalf 16 October 2014 13: 30
    0
    Quote: Rasteryaev

    Remember the mysterious tactic:
    When we retreat, we are moving forward.
    1. xan
      xan 16 October 2014 13: 40
      +1
      If the Russian fled from the battlefield, be sure - he ran after the cartridges. This is from the testimony of a western soldier of fortune.
      But then it didn’t even come to a fight, while the game was on the nerves. And our fellows, calm as boas.
  39. Black
    Black 16 October 2014 13: 32
    +1
    The article is pathetic, with a claim, but
    Quote: Stinger
    soft-boiled typical boots
    - you can’t say better.

    What ..... "an excursion into history":
    And the Baltic peoples, thanks to Russian support, were able to preserve their native languages ​​and national identity.
    The State of Lithuania did not need our protection, study history, respected author.
    What .... "dividing" the church into true and not so. Bondarev agreed that Rome serves the devil ..... And Orthodox Georgia to whom?
    1. xan
      xan 16 October 2014 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      The State of Lithuania did not need our protection, study history, respected author.

      The Orthodox Lithuanian state wanted to destroy the Orthodox Muscovite state. And when it exploded, it fell under Poland, and rapidly began to lose its Orthodox Christianity. This process was stopped only with the transition of the former Lithuanian lands of Russia.
      We can only talk about the protection of Orthodoxy in Lithuanian lands, and about the protection of the identity of the peoples of the Lithuanian state, including Ukrainians. In Nazi Poland, only the Polish nobleman or the gentry nobleman was the lord, the rest were cattle.
      1. tanit
        tanit 16 October 2014 14: 20
        +2
        I’ll add, my Orthodox son, my Orthodox daughter and her Orthodox husband, and now my Orthodox wife (Zhelobaeva is her maiden name) - are they for Russia by default, since they are Orthodox? Hmm ... And I, all of myself not Orthodox, that means, -I am against? laughing Orthodoxy is Orthodox.
        Russia
        -for Russians - for those who are self-conscious. Russia is for everyone.
        And what was the Russian Empire? And not a damn thing - there was the Russian Empire.
        Sincerely.
  40. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 16 October 2014 14: 31
    +1
    Why is Russia losing? Yes, because the people lived in poverty, so lives in it.
    Government thieves boo and chew! Ruined everything in the country working.
    Why was social. camp? Yes, because he was an example for the rest of the capitalist world. Free housing, healthcare, education, career opportunities, social lifts for gifted and talented people. All this has disappeared now.
    And not only in Russia, but also in other countries, looking at the possibility of thieves in power in Russia, the same thing is happening. Plus the gag of the opposition, the dispersal of the working class by creating crises in the banking and exchange speculative system.
    And they love the strong. Russia is going out on this background. Those holding power drag everything out of the country and look over the hill. There they have families, housing, deposits, business.
    Well, who will invest in such Russia, who will be friends with them, who will be equal to this, when this miserable semblance of a state is just robbed here? None!!!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 16 October 2014 16: 40
      0
      Why is Russia losing? Yes, because the people lived in poverty, so lives in it.
      Government thieves boo and chew! Ruined everything in the country working.

      Yeah, people live in terrible poverty. We have 70 apartments in our house, there are always no spaces in the free parking lot in front of the house, there are 30 cars. They drove strangers from other houses into the parking lot.
      There are no thieves-officials, nor new Russians, nor oligarchs in the house; the house is departmental, factory only workers and engineers.
      Everything collapsed in the country, there is nowhere to put the car.
      1. Dan Slav
        Dan Slav 17 October 2014 11: 23
        0
        Glad for you, glad for these workers and engineers.
        However, there are a lot of pensioners in the country who live on a beggarly pension, so in fact only housing can pay.
        There are places where one plant per city. He was, but he got up. And there is nothing more in the city.
        For example, the richest tungsten-molybdenum mine in the USSR in Tyrnauz. No work. The mine is standing. Everything is sold for metal! Even the supports of the former cable car that delivered workers to the mine. There is a plant that processed raw materials from the mine. And alas, there is a lot of this.
        Against this background, incompetent and thieving bureaucrats do not look off topic. Or vice versa.
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  42. Ermak
    Ermak 16 October 2014 19: 48
    0
    Quote: tanit
    I’ll add, my Orthodox son, my Orthodox daughter and her Orthodox husband, and now my Orthodox wife (Zhelobaeva is her maiden name) - are they for Russia by default, since they are Orthodox? Hmm ... And I, all of myself not Orthodox, that means, -I am against? laughing Orthodoxy is Orthodox.
    Russia
    -for Russians - for those who are self-conscious. Russia is for everyone.
    And what was the Russian Empire? And not a damn thing - there was the Russian Empire.
    Sincerely.

    With your charter, you should not climb into a strange monastery. Either you accept Russian culture and live in Russian society, or you remain in the environment characteristic of your people. In Russia, no one forbids this from you, much less imposes it, and does not say that you are against it. But it so happened that Russia was formed on the basis of Russian culture (read Orthodox) in which they always respected other nations, with the exception of those who were engaged in outright banditry, and even then they were not exterminated, but simply tried to raise their cultural and social level. Therefore, if you are a representative of one of the nationalities of Russia, you should be respectful of Russian culture (and indeed any other in Russia) and be aware of its value and contribution.
    And then we will all be one family.
  43. Sanyht
    Sanyht 17 October 2014 07: 41
    +1
    but it is time to introduce the NEP !!! start building the CAPITAL IN ALTAI! ALL ROADS IN THE COUNTRY TO MAKE ROADS AS PARTICIPATED! NEW FACTORIES ... FACTORIES ... FIVE YEARS TAXES REMOVE ALL AT X .....! and most importantly, large THIEVES AND MARODERS - as in Greater China, digging ditches and sawing taiga.
  44. Sanyht
    Sanyht 17 October 2014 07: 44
    0
    in the rush of building the USSR and COMMUNISM, we dispensed with help from Israel ... and even the Eternal Flames lit by the order of a drunken Brezhnev to extinguish and give ALL THIS GAS for FREE to VETERANS AND MULTI-YEARS, and to perpetuate the memory with TREES AND FLOWERS that bring! shorter HOLLY MARASMES FROM THE BOX OF LOSERS.
  45. Sanyht
    Sanyht 17 October 2014 07: 44
    0
    in the rush of building the USSR and COMMUNISM, we dispensed with help from Israel ... and even the Eternal Flames lit by the order of a drunken Brezhnev to extinguish and give ALL THIS GAS for FREE to VETERANS AND MULTI-YEARS, and to perpetuate the memory with TREES AND FLOWERS that bring! shorter HOLLY MARASMES FROM THE BOX OF LOSERS.
  46. Tanysh
    Tanysh 17 October 2014 10: 33
    0
    But you don't need to touch the Eternal Fire! .. So at least the "Pepsi generation" has a question "why is this tacoe?" - and there is a reason for dialogue with them